First, I have to explain the title: “A scorecard for US war on Russia”: what we are witnessing today is beyond any doubt a US war on Russia, except that it that is is neither quite “cold” nor “hot”: it’s tepid, lukewarm. Not for the people dying of course, but by it’s choice of methods. It is not a Cold War because people are dying, because tanks, artillery and airpower is being used on a daily basis now, but it is not a Hot War either, because while people in the Ukraine are being killed, the real target of this war is, of course, Russia. In other words, this is not a Russian-Ukrainian war, nor is it a US-Ukrainian war, it is a US-Russian war, fought in the Ukraine with “Hot War” methods, but whose real target are not the murdered people in the Ukraine but Russia as a country and a civilizational project. I think that it is crucial to state that to make a correct analysis of what is going on.
STRATEGIC LEVEL ANALYSIS
The USA has no special interests in the Ukraine at all. The only reason why Uncle Sam got so heavily involved is the (totally mistaken) belief – expressed by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Hillary Clinton – that “without the Ukraine Russia cannot be a superpower” and that “Putin is trying to recreate the Soviet Union”. Since a reborn USSR would be the single major threat to the US domination of the planet, the US shall spare no effort into making sure that the Ukraine not only breaks away from Russia, but turns into a US colonial protectorate like Poland or Lithuania: rabidly anti-Russian, administered by the EU and controlled by NATO. Of course, the “prize of prizes” would have been Crimea with Sevastopol as a base for the USN and a fantastic “unsinkable carrier” to project US subversive efforts throughout southern Russia, the Caucasus and even the Middle- East. Alas, Putin’s lightening fast action in Crimea completely foiled this part of the plan: instead of getting the entire Ukraine including its crown jewel, Crimea, the AngloZionists were left in full control of West-Central Ukraine (aka “Banderastan”) and an uprising in East-Central Ukraine (aka “Novorossia). However, Uncle Sam also walked away with some real successes: not only was the democratically elected President Yanukovich “regime-changed”, the secession of Crimea and the uprising in the Donbass made the “more or less election” of a pro-US puppet like Poroshenko finally possible. So far so good, but remember, this is not about the Ukraine at all, this is about Russia and only Russia. So the relevant question is not whether the US succeeded in putting a puppet regime in power, but what good it does to the AngloZionist Empire to have Poroshenko in power in Kiev. The answer to that is, of course, very little, if any.
Again, to understand the US position you have to stop thinking like a rational and mentally sane person, and try to think like an imperialistic maniac hell-bent on world domination who sincerely sees Russia at the #1 obstacle to the realization of this goal. Such a maniac will ask himself a basic question: how much, if at all, is Russia weakened by the current situation in the Ukraine? And, again, the obvious answer is only marginally. Here is how a hypothetical US “1% deep-stater” will think about Russia’s current position:
They got Crimea, so all our hopes about the Black Sea region, the Caucasus and the Middle-East are gone. In fact, now that Crimea is fully Russia, it is the Russian position in the Black Sea region, the Caucasus and even the Middle-East which has become stronger, much stronger in fact. Worse, by chopping off the Crimea from the rest of the Ukraine, the Russikies have not only created a very dangerous precedent, they have deeply destabilized the richest and best educated part of the Ukraine – the Donbass – leaving us with the a poor, phenomenally corrupt basically broke “Banderastan” to run. Worse, if we did not have our various CIA run death-squads (“Maindanites”, “Right Sector”, “National Guard”, “soccer hooligans”, etc.) then Poroshenko would probably last less than 1 month in power anyway, especially with the accursed Russikes about to turn off the gas spigot if the Ukies don’t come up with a payment plan they cannot afford anyway. The only thing our symbolic pseudo-sanctions against Russia have achieved so far was to push the Russkies to do what they should have done a decade ago: to lower their dependence on the US-controlled banking system, to sever their ties with the Ukie military-industrial complex and to push the Russian business community towards seeking stronger ties with Asia.
The bottom line is that at least so far the AngloZionist Empire has failed to secure any strategic objective. Russia is as powerful as ever, arguably even more powerful than before the crisis began.
What about the association agreement with the EU then? It means nothing to the Americans. All that agreement would really achieve would be to further impoverish the rump-Ukraine and create a bloody mess for the EU. Yes, for Russia this would mean maybe two to three years of minor headaches (dealing with illegal immigrants, finding new suppliers, etc.) but nothing truly meaningful. And since it was the EU the broke the Ukraine, they now own it, but then since it is the US which own the EU to begin with, you might as well say that the US now owns what is left of the Ukraine. Hardly a coveted prize…
There is only one way for the AngloZionists to turn defeat into victory and that way is most obviously to pull Russia into an overt military intervention in the Donbass. An overt Russian military intervention in the Donbass would achieve all the following goals:
- Create a fantastic justification for the continued existence of NATO.
- Create a fantastic justification for a new Cold War in Europe which would strengthen the US grip on the Old Continent.
- Create a fantastic justification for an increase in military spending for all NATO states.
- Create a fantastic scapegoat upon which to blame upcoming economic collapse of Banderastan.
- Create a fantastic opportunity to demonize Russia and Putin personally.
- Create a perfect justification for the CIA to initiate another Operation Cyclone, this time in Novorossia.
- Create a great way to show the US public opinion that Obama is a tough, “war President”, with “hair on his chest” and who can show the Russkies who is boss thereby overturning the image of a flaccid and incompetent loser which Obama presently “enjoys”.
- Make the Russians pay for the failed war in Syria.
- Show all the BRICS countries that nobody can defy Uncle Sam
- Re-vitalize the currently comatose and desperate (CIA-controlled) “liberal” opposition in Russia.
Needless to say, seen this time from the point of view of Russia, all of the above are crucial reasons to avoid being sucked into an overt military intervention in the Ukraine. However, non-intervention by itself is hardly a “policy” and it cannot constitute a strategic goal. So let us now look at the strategic goals of Russia.
Initially, Russia wanted something rather basic: an independent, more or less neutral, but prosperous Ukraine. Not because Russians are inherently just so nice and compassionate, but because the best thing for Russia is to have a prosperous neighbor for which she hold no responsibility but with which she can built mutually beneficial economic ties. Yes, sure, Kiev is the mother of all Russian cities, and the so-called Ukraine is an invention – no such state of nation ever existed before – and it is true that the “Small Russia” (in the meaning of “Core” or “Central” Russia) is the cradle of the Russian civilization, but these are all things of the past. Nowadays, if the Ukies want to call themselves something other than “Russians”, and if they want to try to re-invent themselves a culture ex nihilo – let them. Who cares really? It’s their loss: instead being a part of one of the (relatively) ancient nations and cultures in history they chose to become, well, who knows what? But who cares, it’s their right after all. Their “arguments” might not get much traction with most Russians, especially the educated ones, but this is hardly a reason for conflict. Over the past two decades there never has been a movement of any relevance in Russia to oppose the Ukrainian independence. Basically, most Russians did not give a damn and, frankly, they were right.
But, again, we need to remember that this is not a Russian-Ukrainian problem. It is a US-Russian problem. And for the USA, the kind of independent and more or less prosperous Ukraine which Russia would have been happy to have as a neighbor was absolutely unacceptable. If Russia wanted a “Ukrainian Finland”, the USA wanted a “Ukrainian Poland”. That is something which Russia cannot allow to happen. So, in strategic terms, the three key strategic goals for Russia are, by order of importance:
- To prevent the creation of a “Banderastan” on Russia’s borders
- To avoid being sucked into an overt military intervention
- To protect the people of Novorossia
Two comments about these goals:
First, you will notice that if the choice comes down to an overt military intervention and the creation of a Banderastan on the western border of Russia a military intervention is preferable, at least in my opinion. I have no way of knowing whether the folks in the Kremlin would agree with me or not, but my sense is that that would if only because of the long-term consequences of having a Banderastsan along over 2’000km of its western border and less than 500km from downtown Moscow. So make no mistake – Russia will intervene militarily in Novorossia if there is absolutely no other choice. Even if that means a risk of war with NATO. Even if that means a war with NATO. For Russia, this is not an elective conflict, but an existential threat and there is a national consensus on that.
Second, there is the issue of human rights and the plight of the people of Novorossia.
Considering how many of us have become disillusioned with our fellow human being and cynics about any and all politicians, I won’t even go into the “brother nations” argument, nor will I claim that Putin, Lavrov or anybody else in the Kremlin sincerely cares about the atrocities committed against what are, of course, really fellow Russians who happened to live in what is called “the Ukraine” because of Soviet internal administrative borders. I personally am convinced that Putin and Lavrov really do care – but I will not use that personal belief of mine as an argument. I will use only a fully pragmatic argument which is fully compatible with the hypothesis that the folks in the Kremlin care only about their own narrow self-interest. And the argument is this:
There is a lot of pent-up rage and outrage in Russia. Unlike the western MSM, the Russian media is full of daily reports about the atrocities committed by the Ukie death squads. Day after day after day the Russians see neo-Nazi thugs marching around Kiev, Odessa and other cities with neo-Nazi symbols, they see the bombed out houses of Slaviansk and Kramatorsk, they see the endless interviews with maimed civilians and terrified refugees. Day after day after day the most famous Russian journalists and reporters openly pour out their scorn and disgust for the lying bastards of the junta in Kiev, the the West’s endless double-standards, on the fact that there is apparently no such crime or action which the West would not approve of as long as it is committed by neo-Nazis and against Russians. So whether Putin, Lavrov & Co. are bleeding hearts or cynical politicians makes no difference at all: they cannot, repeat, cannot, ignore the atrocities committed by the Ukie death-squads in Novorossia. So far, Putin’s ratings are sky high (in the 80% range), but this can change, rapidly if events get out of hands. Furthermore, while the current three official “opposition” parties are more or less a joke (LDPR and Just Russia will fall in line if/when needed, the Communists are really a lame joke), there are other parties being formed right now who have a huge political potential, such as Starikov’s “Great Fatherland Party”. And Putin is acutely aware that the only real danger to his rule comes not from the completely tiny discredited “liberal” “non-system” opposition parties (no more than 1%-3% of popular support) or from the hopelessly antiquated and clueless “official” or “system” opposition parties, but from the “next generation” young, dynamic and visionary parties lead not by clowns, but by very sharp young men like Starikov (don’t judge all Russian Communists by the likes of Zyuganov!). And, remember, Putin did promise to intervene and protect the people of Novorossia if a real bloodbath begins there. So this is why I do believe that protecting the people of Novorossia (point #3 above) is crucial even if we assume that Putin would be willing to betray and sacrifice the Russian population of the Donbass (which, again, I personally do not believe!).
At this point the Russian policy becomes, I think, clear: to covertly support the resistance movement of Novorossia without yielding any proof of intervention which could be used by the AngloZionists to demonize Russia (they already do that, but with very little credibility in the public opinion).
Now that we have identified the strategic goals of both sides, we can look at the methods (tactics) they are using to achieve them.
TACTICAL LEVEL ANALYSIS
On the US side the plan is simple: to provoke Russia in every possible way. So far these have include (in no special order):
- Recognition of an illegal regime which came to power with violence.
- Support for a neo-Nazi regime.
- Massive anti-Russian propaganda.
- Limitless amount of double-standards.
- Repeated kidnapping of fully accredited journalists.
- Whitewashing of massacres (Odessa, Mariupol).
- Support for armed assaults on opposition politicians (Tsarev).
- Murder of political opponents (murdered Communists Party members).
- Attacks on political parties (torched Communist Party offices).
- Illegal use of cluster bombs on civilians.
- Illegal use of White Phosphorus on civilians.
- Use of heavy weapons against entire towns.
- Assault and murder of opposition journalists
- Attacks on the Russian Embassy in Kiev
- Overt glorification of Stepan Bandera by Ukie officials
- Blocking by the AngloZionists of Russian UNSC Resolution condemning the attack on its embassy
- Denial of anti-Jewish hatred amongst the Ukie nationalists
- Invention of anti-Jewish feelings in Novorossia
- Car-bombing of Novorossian officials
- Probable use of gas in the Odessa massacre
- Creation of a hysterically russophobic campaign in the MSM
- Attempts at imposing sanctions on Russia
- Covert sending by NATO countries of fixed and rotary wing aircraft
- Covert use of several hundred western mercenaries (Academi)
- Massacres of wounded soldiers in a hospital
- Sniper killing of random civilians
- Systematic rejection of any negotiations with the people of Novorossia
- Almost systematic rejection of any negotiation with Russia
- Systematic violation of any agreement reached with Russia
- Bombing of churches and hospitals (just happened in the last 24 hours)
- Refusal to provide real escape corridors for trapped civilians
- Illegal cutting-off of water supplies to Crimea (now provided from Russia courtesy of the corps of Russian military engineers)
This is not a full list, of course, just those events which first came to my mind. Connecting the dots here is easy: to provoke Russia at all costs. Well, provoke it does. Does that achieve anything else? Specifically, if we take a more “macro” point of view and ask ourselves this: if we accept that the Ukie goal of war in Novorossia is to get the Russians to intervene and if we accept that the Russian goal is to stay out, and if we finally accept that the crucial factor which will eventually decide of the outcome is the ability of the Novorossians to defend themselves without overt Russian intervention – then who does the tactical scorecard look?
From my point of view – one of an ex-military analyst – I would say that I am extremely unimpressed by the junta’s performance so far.
The junta’s death squads have used all the means at their disposal to try to terrorize the people of Novorossia: they began with baseball bats, then knives, then guns, they assault-rifles, then machine guns, then heavy machine guns, then mortars, then heavy mortars, then regular artillery, then multiple rocket launchers, then attack helicopters, then attack aircraft, then cluster munitions, now even white phosphorus. And what did they achieve in military terms:
1) they are more or less holding an airport and one hill near Slaviansk/Kramatorsk
2) they have taken Krasnyi Liman (and committed a massacre in its hospital)
3) they apparently have 1000 or so men surrounded in the Lugansk airport
That’s it. They could not even take Slaviansk! This is with force ratios anywhere between 5:1 to 100:1, with heavy firepower, armor and total air supremacy. Sub-pathetic, really…
And, in the process, they have lost hundreds of soldiers who defected to the other side – often with weapons – they have gotten a huge number of their own conscripts killed, one group of senior “Alpha” officers was caught and several paratrooper recon units were made prisoner (the latest one yesterday). In Lugansk Ukie forces appear surrounded and the latest shooting down of an Il-76 by the NDF air defense forces was part of a desperate attempt of the junta to free these forces or, at least, to resupply them. In fact, there are all the signs of a desperate movement by land of Ukrainian armor and infantry to break through these units some of which, according to unconfirmed reports, have already switched sides.
As for the Novorossian Defense Forces (NDF), they now clearly have a solid air-defense network up and running, they seem to have plenty of weapons (even though they still lack some specific types) and most, but not all, of these weapons are truly trophy weapons taken from the Ukies (such as the 3 T-64 tanks recently shown in the news). The initial trickle of volunteers has slowly but steadily become larger (including volunteers from Russia proper) and the NDF is now clearly enjoying some fancy systems which could have only have been provided by Russia (electronic warfare, advanced anti-air systems, etc.). Yes, there are lots of Ukie tanks around Luganks, but as late as this morning a senior NDF officer in the area has said that “we can hold them for at least several months”. Finally, and for the very first time, there are signs that the NDF are mounting offensive operations.
I am basing all of the above on admittedly partial information, but to me all the signs are clear and point to one and only one reality: the Ukie offensive is going absolutely nowhere and unless Uncle Sam comes up with a dramatic way of changing the face of the battle, Novorossia will probably withstand the Ukie assault without over Russian intervention.
(TEMPORARY) CONCLUSION:
So far, I see the strategic-level scorecard for the AnlgoZionist as a complete failure. As for the tactical-level scorecard, it is probably too early to call, but I would say that it looks like the Empire is headed for a complete defeat. Of course, these are temporary conclusions and I don’t want to sound like Dubya with his notorious “Mission accomplished”. But I think that for all of us who get sick in their stomachs each time we hear of the latest Ukie atrocity it is important to keep in mind that so far the neo-Nazis and their AngloZionist masters are losing and that there is no reason to suspect that this trend will somehow reverse itself in the foreseeable future.
We have to also always keep in mind that “lukewarm” as it may be, this is a major war of planetary importance because as Dugin correctly points it is the future of Russia, and therefore of all of Eurasia, which is being decided. Russian parity (I would even argue superiority) in strategic nuclear weapons have made a hot war impossible (at least for a rational actor), but that does not mean that both sides are not engaged in this apparently “lukewarm” war with every bit of energy and power they got! What we are witnessing today is nothing short of a major struggle for survival between the AngloZionist Empire and the “Eurasian project” (for lack of a better word) centered around Russia and China and their attempt to replace the old order by new, multi-polar, dollar-independent, militarily balanced one. Hegemony vs collective security for the entire planet is what is at stake. This is why every time we listen to the latest reports out of Novorossia we have to constantly keep in mind that in reality this is a US-Russian war over the future international order of the planet and not an “ethnic civil war”.
As you know, I have been living with a knot in my stomach for weeks now, and with each additional report about the neo-Nazi atrocities committed against the people of Novorossia I get more desperate, more angry and more frustrated. And I have to admit that if the Russians finally openly intervene and beat the crap out of the Ukie death squads (which won’t last 24 hours against a real military force) I won’t be able to contain myself – I will open a bottle of champagne and dance with my wife across the house. But I also know that the right thing to do is keep our “eyes on the prize” and let this abomination I called “Banderstan” self-destruct without any over Russian help. The latest attack on the Russian embassy in Kiev is not only an outrageous violation of the Vienna Convention, it is also a fantastic admission of impotence, of powerlessness, of irrelevance really. Think of it, a crowd of neo-Nazi thugs overturns a few cars and tosses eggs and stones at an embassy building in downtown Kiev and all the Ukie authorities can do is to order the cops to move out of the way and to send the deputy Foreign Minister to express his support for the crowd. “Слава Україні — Героям Слава” (glory to the Ukraine – to the Heroes Glory!) indeed – some heroic Ukie nationalism at work, there is an “operation” the Ukies can be proud of, something to add to the pantheon of Ukrainian national pride.
[They are as pathetic as they are disgusting, of course. I really wonder how any putative “sane Ukrainian” can live without dying of a combination of shame and self-disgust. But then, that ain’t my problem, thank God.]
There is probably more of that sickening Ukie mix of atrocities and buffoonery on the way. Normal civilized people cannot imagine the kind of stuff that these hate-filled psychopaths can come up with. Frankly, I would not put it past them to try an air or missile strike on, say, a kindergarten in Crimea or even in Belgorod. They could also kidnap a delivery man for a Russian company still operating in Kiev or heroically massacre of minibus with an Aeroflot crew on the way to the airport. Whatever! We have to accept the inevitability of such actions because this is all this junta can do – they simply have no civilized diplomatic, commercial, military or other means to prevail against Russia and their own people. But always always keep this in mind: with each such action the Ukies are confessing to their own impotence while digging their own grave.
So even if “ще не вмерла україна” (“the Ukraine is not dead yet” – from the Ukie “national anthem” with words copied from the Polish one and a melody composed by [what else?] a Uniat priest), it’s days are counted and, as doctors like to say, the prognosis is poor.
The Saker
Well, IMHO this is no overt or covert war on Russia but on Western Europe.
In you previous post I already pointed out the latest tweet form Deputy Prime Minister of Russia, Dmitry Rogozin, but in fact there were two, the first of which is directly related to your topic: (my translation)
Kiev Maidan was not against Yanukovych, and most importantly not for Europe.
It was against Russia and against Russian Ukraine.
The second tweet:
The answer to Maidan comes from Novorossiya in the form of anti-fascist resistance & struggle for national liberation!
I think this is the strongest expression of support for Novorossiya from the Kremlin so far. Most importantly, he uses exactly the correct words!
to try to terrorist the people of Novorossia”
It should be “to try to terrorize”
Here is a video of a Donbas volunteer giving a status update to a crowd of people in a square in the town of Gorlovka. Everyone seems pretty upbeat. There is a Q&A session at the end. A translation or summary would be appreciated.
Dear Saker,
Uncle Schmel is so better than Uncle Sam. You have coined the word. It belongs to The Saker.
Kindest regards,
Mohamed.
Well, I hope this is realistic, not to biased by emotional investment, but I notice you didn’t mention the puppet-nazi ‘retaking’ of Mariupol.
@whattherussia: Mariupol, good point!
Mariupol never was “ours” or “theirs” so the neo-Nazis did not really “retake” it, they just sort of took control of most of it. But there were no NDF forces inside the city and no real battle for its control, at least not as far as I know. If you know otherwise (God knows I could have missed it!) please let us know and I will post a correction to the original analysis.
Manyh thanks and kind regards,
The Saker
@Mohammed: Uncle Sam vs. Uncle Shmuel.
LOL! Somebody is always missing the other one :-)
Seriously, it depends on what I look at. When I believe that the role of the US Neocons is central, I speak of Uncle Shmuel, when not, I stick to Uncle Sam. As you know, I see US imperialism as a successor to the British Empire which only was partially hijacked by Zionists interests. Hence my use of the term “AngloZionist”. I like Uncle Shmuel because it reminds Americans that they are already partially colonized themselves by foreign interests (even if AIPAC does not have to register as an agent for a foreign power; in fact, that it is the only one to benefit from such an exemption proves my point).
But for today at least let’s leave it at that.
So.
@EVERYBODY
Let’s try a daring experiment today: let’s try to have a full thread *without* mentioning Jews, Zionists, Neocons or Israel, ok? I am sure that we can, and since recently I did post something were these topics were central (http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-fateful-triangle-russia-ukraine-and.html) let’s please, pretty please with sugar on top, not go right back it it here.
For once? Please?! ;-)
Cheers,
The Saker
Concerning the use of white phosphorus, Natalia Meden argues that unlike Russia, the USA did not sign the convention prohibiting the use of incendiary weapons in combat:
Russia respects its commitments as a party to the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May Be Deemed to Be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects. Protocol 3 restricts the use of incendiary weapons. It prohibits the use of incendiary weapons against civilians (effectively a reaffirmation of the general prohibition on attacks against civilians in Additional Protocol Conventions) as well as the use of air-delivered incendiary weapons against military targets located within concentrations of civilians and loosely regulates the use of other types of incendiary weapons in such circumstances. The US is not a party to this Protocol.
She then goes on to describe the US point of view and its implication for the Ukrainian client state:
In 2009 the US informed the UN Secretary General that its consent to observe article 2 of the above mentioned protocol was subject to some reservations. This approach to the use of weapons prohibited internationally on humanitarian grounds could have influenced the approach of American advisors who told their Ukrainian dependents to use incendiary bombs. On November 29, 2005, speaking at a press conference General Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated that white phosphorus «is a legitimate tool of the military,» and can be used for illumination, smoke, and incendiary purposes.
source:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/06/16/truth-leaks-people-no-matter-information-filtered-through-fine-sieve.html
B.
-SOLUTION OPTION-
Giv e POLAND back its lands+
>the areas that agree get into EU<
Give HUNGARY back its lands+
>the areas that agree get into EU<
Give GERMANY back Königsberg Schlesien Pommern
Germany joins Russia Eurasian Union
Novor ossiya becomes independent & does business with Poland, Hungary, Germany, Ukraine, Russia
Elim inate criminal elements
Ru ssia sells discounted Gas to Ukraine via Novorossiya
The EU & US go home, End War/ Win Win
Better small & happy Ukraine than No Ukraine
No Fights, WAR & a future exists
If BIG BANKS play WAR-Monopoly this will get ugly
Try this concept & Save Lives
Or Play WAR
-SOLUTION OPTION-
Giv e POLAND back its lands+
>the areas that agree get into EU<
Give HUNGARY back its lands+
>the areas that agree get into EU<
Give GERMANY back Königsberg Schlesien Pommern
Germany joins Russia Eurasian Union
Novor ossiya becomes independent & does business with Poland, Hungary, Germany, Ukraine, Russia
Elim inate criminal elements
Ru ssia sells discounted Gas to Ukraine via Novorossiya
The EU & US go home, End War/ Win Win
Better small & happy Ukraine than No Ukraine
No Fights, WAR & a future exists
If BIG BANKS play WAR-Monopoly this will get ugly
Try this concept & Save Lives
Or Play WAR
it would be nice assist to substantial changes of Ukrainian soldiers in favor of Novorussia…
Viva la Santa Russia
If the Ukrainians enjoyed 1933 they’re really gonna love what comes next.
I feel so sad for the good folks I know in Wertern Ukraine, they’ve been screwed for two decades by the theives of ‘The Pale’ that many want to get out! Europe, US, anywhere. And now it seems that their suffering is going to get much worse.
T1
not unsurprisingly, the NATO intervention in Libya will be America’s downfall and have an impact on the Ukraine situation.
Libya is on the cusp of becoming Somalia. Libya + America’s “successes” in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan will are going to make the usually disconnected American public stop American foreign interventions. (at least that’s my hunch).
Saker you have mentioned this a few times in other contexts, but one of the big gains for Russia on your score card is that the Russian people are more united today than probably anytime since the end of WWII. This makes the nation much stronger than it was even last winter. The pro-western Russians that were the potential for a color revolution in Red Square have been politically made irrelevant.
It is probably the case that US control of international finance and ability to sanction will cause economic discomfort. However, that kind of discomfort will only strengthen the people’s determination. The Iranian people certainly have suffered much but the country seems more united behind the IRI today than any time in the last 5 years.
As do many others, you refer to the establishment of a Banderistan on Russia’s western border as an “existential threat.” I have no wish to dispute this, but seek articulation of just why you consider it to be an “existential threat,” especially given that in your view Russia will retain the capacity to destroy the US society in the event of even a worst-case nuclear attack by NATO-USA. If putting nukes on Russia’s western border is not the existential threat, then please advise what is.
Saker,
Once again, many thanks for this insightful analysis. Your background (both military and cultural) gives you a perspective we, who live in the belly of the beast, lack. Without access to your site, I would be left with only the MSM sites, and I avoid them as a waste of time.
Keep the faith. As ancient a culture as is Russia, I trust she will act with care.
mbfromnm
Thanks, Saker.
This is supposed to be happening today. Russian military heading to the Ukraine border.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj6TXAed2uc
Thank you so much for your insight and detailed explanation.
My wife and I were at a Russian Trade mission in Europe and indicated our willingness to go to Crimea and Donbass to help somehow.
The Russian attaches tanslator appreciated and said, just help us built up a better Crimea, do not go and get yourself in danger in Donbass.
He expressed his appreciation.
The Trade staff were courteous, civil and very polite people, truly a fresh breath of air in a decomposing morally sinking Europe.
We have decided to go to Crimea as soon as possible to start a business there.
Europe to great extent disgusts us now. Orwellian Prison that it has become.
Again thank you for your informative and in depth blog
Dear Saker,
Another really superb analysis. Whatever group let you go is left without your thorough, clear and insightful view. Their loss is our gain.
I think the ZIOs are looking for another land-grab. The clock is ticking in Israel — and Khazars may be interested in relocating to their ACTUAL homeland. Don’t doubt for a second that the troubles in Georgia were on some level driven by the phallic worshippers and descendants of Bulan hopes of securing another homeland. Ukraine is just an extension of that plan. And the ZIOs will work with the devil himself — which is their MO — to get what they want from the Bandarstans — and then dispatch them later. I ALMOST feel sorry for Poland — because the jews want it back as well. Just deserts for WW2. eh…
What a mess the Zio-Empire hath wrought. Tic-toc.
AGS
great!
http://anna-news.info/node/17126
A very strange interview with Dugin, he absolutely demands that Russia intervenes NOW or else Russia will die. I think Dugin is a smart guy, and I thought that he is a patriot, so what is he trying to achieve? Is he just panicking?
Good presentation. Though the loss of little villages is happening. They are beginning to clear out people and set the stage for free fire zones (American military loves them).
One thing that Putin cannot control is the schedule of when he must up the ante. They can, as you point out, do some very rash things, and force a profound move by Russia.
I am assuming Putin would like to just supply and resupply the forces and maybe add some key manpower on the ground.
But if the US gets antsy, they will pay for an outrage. Something large, dastardly. Well-prepared for the propaganda war afterward.
Then Putin has to act in the open. Since that is not what he bet all the losses on so far, I am thinking he has a plan to neutralize the Ukrainians already in place. And in a matter of 12 hours can actuate it. Enough Green Men, enough large weaponry, and enough behind the lines sabotage to devastate the Ukranian command and control and stores of weapons. Airfields, bases, the logistical pipelines will be devastated.
That’s what he has to have planned and put in place to give him cover, to keep more sanctions from hitting his economy and to get the Ukranians to sue for peace.
All the endless negotiations and taking the abuse are built around getting Kiev to accept half a loaf from the West and half a loaf from Russia. It was his plan for the last several years, and it continues from all observable data and events.
saker, anglos controlled england and its satellite usa have come back to bite Russia is simply because russia allowed nato to relive again by its folly in approving within a day un resolution agasint libya .otherwise anglos were busy encircling china ,thinking that russia woudlbe dealt with later.
russia desreves what she is getting ebcause russia has stupid faloures like lavrov aaastill around.
Общие потери карателей в Донбассе за 2 мая – 14 июня 2014 года – 2670 человек
2760 losses (killed, injured, captured) from the counter-insurgency forces :
1240 extremists of the “Right Sector”, mostly incorporated into the National Guard, also some actual National Guard soldiers. On 29th of May the chief of the National Guard academy Brigadier General Sergei Kulchitsky was killed near Slaviansk.
770 of Kolomoisky’s Ukrainian mercenaries (of the battalions “Dnieper”, “Donbass”, “Azov”). Two of their leaders, Demidenko and Bereza, were killed in Mariupol.
100 SBU officers (“Alpha” of Sumy completely wiped out; significant “Alpha” losses from other regions – Kiev, Poltava, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Rivne, Lutsk, Volyn, Vinnytsia, Zhytomyr)
150 foreign mercenaries : 21 Polish “ASBS Othago”, 29 American “Graystone”, 95 American “Academi” (Blackwater), 5 Baltic women snipers.
90 soldiers of the 95th air-mobile brigade (Zhytomyr).
90 soldiers of the 25th air-mobile brigade (Dnepropetrovsk).
50 soldiers of the 79th air-mobile brigade (Mykolaïv).
10 soldiers of the 3rd spetsnaz regiment (Kirovohrad).
30 soldiers of the 93rd mechanized brigade (Dnepropetrovsk oblast)
50 border guards (Lugansk)
30 soldiers of the 16th Army Air Corps (Lviv oblast)
20 soldiers of the 831st Tactical Air Force brigade (Myrhorod)
5 soldiers of the 114st Tactical Air Force brigade (Ivano-Frankivsk)
5 crew of the An-30 reconnaissance aircraft (around Chuhuiv, Kharkov).
25 officers of the CIA and FBI (13 killed, 12 injured).
35 officers of the Interior Ministry
Equipment destroyed:
1 Antonov-30 reconnaissance aircraft
1 Ilyushin-76 aircraft
2 Sukhoi-25 aircraft
2 Sukhoi-24 aircraft
1 drone
16 military helicopters (Mi-24, Mi-17, Mi-8)
7 T-64 tanks
3 Humvees
3 Gaz-66 trucks
4 Ural trucks
6 KamAZ trucks
2 “Nona” self-propelled howitzers
3 Grad launchers
2 Uragan (Hurricane) launchers
3 D-30 howitzers
22 armored combat vehicles
35 APCs
quote “Create a fantastic justification for the continued existence of NATO.
Create a fantastic justification for a new Cold War in Europe which would strengthen the US grip on the Old Continent.”
are you sure?
cold war never stopped. only russians have been delusional and stupid. look russian ebhaviour even now -she is negotiating with those enemis who want her destroyed and loot her wealth.
nato has contineud for 25 years beyond soviet tiem so what stops it? in fact nato has bene encouraged by weakling attitude of russia.
if nato had mewt real reisitance it woudl havce wounbd up not now.
russia desrvesthe fate because no nation desrves to be so stupid and survive.
russia wants all thsoe wealth and land but does nto want to peruse cleverness and diplomacy and military preparedness to ensure those assets.
There’s still at least one tool in the usual US foreign policy toolkit they haven’t used yet: false flag incidents. The almost-invasion of Syria was launched after the chemical attacks later attributed (but never publicized) to the Saudi-backed groups. What do you think would be the political and military consequences of a truly horrible attack in Kiev, complete with the capture of some “Russian agents”, etc.?
quote ” I think, clear: to covertly support the resistance movement of Novorossia without yielding any proof of intervention which could be used by the AngloZionists to demonize Russia “
if it be so then russia is a weakling ebcause strong donto bother about these things.and russia shows this weakpoint (to be liked by enemis) to all the world to see.
besides weaklign like russian and putin are demonised the strong are feared and respected.
Dear Saker,
the Ukies want to retake control of the border this week. Do you think Novorossiya can defend the border effectively? I think the control of the border is a key issue relating to the outcome of the war.
Schouldn’t the russian army take reinforcments along the borderline? The provacations of the Ukies are getting more and more.
Thanks in advance and greetings from Germany
While the Russian public is indeed outraged, at least some of them are savvy as to what the US is trying to do.
Alexey Pushkov retweeted this lament from a Russian woman yesterday: “How they are trying to involve us in the war!”
I don’t know if or how much Russian media have tried to educate people in this area; I hope they are putting some effort into it.
From CDN
Two thoughts on your analysis. First it leaves out the other possible players, players likely critical to the final outcome. Second, it barely touches on a path to resolution which is likely the one entertained by Putin.
There are two groups of other key players. The first is composed of the BRICS and other non-aligned nations. If you, and your readers, are capable of delivering this level of analysis then I suspect the other nations of the world can also “read between the lines” and are aware of the fact that it is the USSA who has been stage managing this conflict.
The question for the BRICS is how can you place any trust in the USSA? They have the power via NSA to undermine your domestic politics and your commercial interests. They actively undermine your interests (witness the collapse of the Copenhagen Climate talks, a collapse engineered by the USSA for their own benefit. There is little one can do to stop the USSA from undermining any nation states interests. This is not a comfortable view of the world. You cannot even defend yourself properly without inviting in the USSA praetorian guard and if you purchase military hardware from the USSA it comes with many strings attached, not least of which is the fact that when you require its use for a conflict the USSA may unilaterally fail to supply the required spares.
Do the BRICS and non-aligned nations wish to play by these rules? Rules which clearly benefit a single party. There may be some like Poland who seem to believe once they enter under Uncle Sam’s umbrella all will be sweetness and light. But there are other more favoured nations like the UK already sheltering there and you will have a hard time displacing them.
My hunch that there are a great many observers watching the dance in the Ukraine and quietly hoping for a USSA defeat and a return to a multi-polar world where international agreements actually mean something, where the UN is a place to resolve disputes and one need not worry about USSA political machinations against you or your neighbours. If we can see the obvious then I think many others can make the same observation and the so called MSM merely deludes itself and the American oligarchs that depend on it.
The EU is a further variation of the above. You covered this already somewhat but clearly the members of the EU must still be smarting over the FUCK THE EU comment, the manner in which they were brushed aside, the degree to which a blaze has been ignited on their borders, the degree to which this benefits no one but the USSA and likely imposes significant costs on the EU at a time when they are struggling to get their economies moving again. I recognize that there exist USSA stalwarts in the EU but I wonder about all the others who gaze on events. Especially in light of that other great democratic project so rapidly unravelling in Iraq and threatening to consume the entire middle east.
I think it may be a good time to put this terror in perspective. I have spent endless hours at my machine studying the situation (when I tire I end up thinking I should just follow the Saker only – absolutely the best source in English) and concur that Ukraine is committing atrocity after atrocity in a manic pattern of escalation that is always threatening yet more depraved actions. But to put in perspective the magnitude of innocent suffering nothing so far, not even the horrors of the Iraq war, come even close to the suffering the Vietnamese suffered during the American War In Viet Nam. I know about this personally because because I lived there from ’66 to ’70 as a civilian refugee aid worker LIVING WITH THE REFUGEES with no defense, and under near constant threat. Nick Turse’s book Kill Anything That Moves heads in the right direction, but just as I am sure the people under constant threat of death, or worse, in Eastern Ukraine, really can not fully explain the terror of enduring a mortar barrage in words, they share with other such victims a bond of mutual affection and meaningful codolences.
I bring this up to share my conviction, my joyful expectation, born of five years of direct experience living with a terrible war, that people are much stronger than their leaders try to teach them they are. Solidarity and endurance through terrible punishment not only can win, it can restore the soul of a people long oppressed.
A prayer for the Heroes Who Suffer Atrocities.
herb
Ukie GRAD supplies column on road:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcmOu9x4qY4
@ Anon 15 June, 2014 22:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj6TXAed2uc
This video is from Moscow oblast, the region surrounding the big city. The phone numbers on the billboards visible are Moscow region numbers, as @Steiner1776 and the commenters below the vid point out. However I can’t confirm location on the other video circulating today of Russian AFVs loaded on trains and whether they’re headed West. With even my limited Russian I understood though that these young guys in the car were saying ‘%^&* yeah’ to this hardware rolling to Ukraine and taking on some Banderites.
Thanks to New Insight for posting the Kiev regime losses thus far. With the POW/defectors haul at Lugansk airport 2,000 KIA/WIA/POW doesn’t seem unreasonable at all, while Tymchuk still puts out his Baghdad Bob ‘the Russian terrorists are all dropping like flies!’ disinfo rants. It does seem that the Kiev forces launched one successful air strike on an NAF arms dump but the initial casulty number of 50 cited sounds suspiciously similar to the 49 officially lost/acknowledged as KIA in the IL-76 crash.
It also seems our esteemed host here is holding off on quantifying the Lugansk airport surrender until he can get solid numbers from Juan. In any case it’s a much bigger defeat for the junta than the shootdown of one aircraft, and at least a certain number of 25th Airmobile defected to NAF after putting up the Russian flag. Naturally it occurred to me where the defecting Ukrainian paras got a Russian flag? Were they keeping one in reserve just in case Putin invaded to surrender or switch sides quickly with?
There obviously have been ongoing covert negotiations between Mother Russia and many upper echelon Ukrainian colonels and generals than we know of. Putin’s hand may be partially hidden but there is no doubt Russia is supplying the NAF with intel now but NAF still needs encrypted comms to avoid NSA-enabled air or drone strikes on their CPs!
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s255kk
Last snippet of good news: Gleb Bazov says the junta is getting increasingly desperate with regular Ukrainian army’s unwillingness to fight and fears more mass defections after Lugansk, while their air force and Nazi Guard have taken major losses in planes and men. Bazov also says Strelkov’s men have covertly had access to the salt mine arms horde for 2 1/2 weeks which would explain how they’ve had enough firepower to hold off repeated assaults and equip new recruits. Seems Strelkov’s men are more short on food, medical supplies and boots than they are guns, mortars, mines, RPGs and MANPADs at this point! More at @GBazov
American Kulak
“Airfields, bases, the logistical pipelines will be devastated.” As I said and Saker has alluded to before, the real pucker factor for Kiev, NATO ‘advisors’ plus mercs alongside the Nazi Guard and what’s left of the Ukrainian air force would be if Putin visibly deploys Iskander missiles to Rostov, Belgorod and Crimea oblasts.
Iskander launchers in Crimea would put even the air bases on the outskirts of Kiev where the Poles have likely been trying to make good the UKR Air Force losses in jets and pilots well within range. Iskanders can carry fuel air as well as regular HE and runway clearing bomblet explosive one ton payloads. Just two dozen Iskanders (and Russia has hundreds in its arsenal) would completely destroy what’s left of the Ukrainian air force and helicopter strike forces on the ground plus kill most of the maintenance crews (including Poles, Lithuanians or South African mercs they’ve been relying on to keep their jets in the air). Russia’s strike helo forces would also come in to hit the fleeing Nazi Guard units and wipe out Ukie artillery in Donbass, while capable of refueling/rearming by spetsnaz at NAF captured points. NAF would then take up blocking positions along highways to Dnetropetrovsk alongside spetsnaz or VDV to wipe out and force surrender of panicked, retreating Nazi Guardsmen.
At least that’s how I would envision an all out Russian ‘no fly zone’ op with minimal boots on the ground to serve as forward air controllers and prevent NAF shoot downs of Russian attack helos and jets by mistake.
American Kulak
Dear The Saker,
Thank you for the post – sums it up.
I would also add on the tactical side the grave mistake the US/GB and France have made at the UNSC.
In their desperation to spite Russia they overlooked the fact that now they have put all their embassies in danger by not condeming the attack on the Russian Embassy in Kiev.
There will be blow back from this and its interesting that quite a few US Ambassadors have tweeted their disagreement to Kiev authorities and therefore this very stupid tactical move. They seem to understand what this could mean….
This lukewarm war against Russia by the USG and their cohorts I think will be the end of the Ukraine as we know it but will adversley strengthen Russia. If the EU continue on this path it will be well and truly screwed – but hey that’s what the USG and Co. want.
The gas talks go on…..waste of time me thinks……
Rgds,
Veritas
There is eerie similarity between Uncle S. and Ukies like Dr. Evil and Mini-Me. As if both are guided by the same ideas (utter idiocy), same values, same tools (lies they both believe in) and achieving same results (complete failure).
Saker, there are multiple videos of Russian military vehicles moving, purportedly towards the Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2fIMnLpdq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRMzJ8IqRGs&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gjVcH1hUg#t=63
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBN64N1zZus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnaLv-sP-14
This could be just leverage for gas talks. Could it be the real thing though?
My guess is besides warning not to cut off the gas one of the reasons the Banderites were sent against the Russian Embassy was to make all diplomats their hostages as a deterrent against a Russian NFZ Kiev junta knows it could do absolutely zero about without overt US/UK air protection and NATO risking WW3.
https://twitter.com/KlauswitzNV/status/478199309746192389
American Kulak
Saker
Good to see you calmed your emotions down from a week ago. Sounds like your recent trip was what you needed. Bringing a beautiful woman out to the wilderness will do it every time. ;)
Back on 9 June, 2014 01:12 I posted this (in: “My rant tonight – okay, I will try to clarify further”)
“I’d like to see the PAMG slaughter the nazis and their leadership, as well.
But I think such revenge will be much sweeter if carried out by Novorussians.
The nazis are not any more effective now than they were, in fact, they are in a serious decline. All they really seem capable of is shelling civilian areas with artillery kept out of reach of Novorussian forces. When the nazis meet Novorussians, they tend to lose, unless the odds greatly favour them. Beyond the zionazis having their “legit” regime in the Ukraine now with Poroshenko for their propaganda purposes, I don’t see how he changes things on the ground. With or without him, they, the zionazis, would still be increasing their terrorist pressure on Novorossya, because that is what the “time to go all out and get Russia” plan calls for.
If Russia “gives” Novorussia the means to get at the artillery shelling them, increase the ability of Novorussia to tackle air and armour attacks, provides detailed intelligence and helps with manpower, Novorussia will have no problem eradicating the nazis. All of this being done clandestinely as much as possible. Probably a lot of it, the Russians are already doing. Give the Novorussians what they need, and they will clean house in the Ukraine.
Personally, I am not surprised by Poroshenko, it was quite obvious the cocksuck was an Israeli-American bitchboi from the beginning since they chose him to be their frontman in the Ukraine. It’s quite obvious he hates Putin, probably all the Russian government, from the way he looks at Putin in photos. The Russian government blocked sales of his “chocolate” in Russia last year. To a fascist oligarch/mafia bum bandit like Poroshenko, that is unforgivable.
Likewise, I do not think there ever was any real resistance to the “get Russia” plan among the Euro section of the NWO. Their bums are used by the zionazis as much as those of their American and Anglo associates. Forget about the “Europe vs America” scenario, it’s a distractions and both answer to the same exact masters. There are a few Euro oligarchs probably still resisting, but these don’t have much say about it. Probably the only thing in Europe that could stop the zionazis is Europeans rebelling against them in the streets and essentially doing an Octobre Revolution or French Revolution with no quarter given to the oligarchs and their minions. Not very likely in the near future…”
Since I posted that on 9 June, things got even worse for the zionazis and they have become more desperate. While the Novorussian position is better now. In that context, the zionazis have really only one choice, to their control freak oriented, psychopathic minds, up the provocation level again. I was expecting a false flag over the weekend to coincide with the embassy attack. Fortunately, that didn’t happen, but the threat is still there for their tailored for the Ukraine “new Pearl Harbor”.
Part II
from CDN
Looking at the news reports (especially the situation reports from Juan. Great work! Thank you!) it is clear that Kiev is a paper tiger. It makes a lot of noise, it issues a lot of threats, it burns down your neighbours house and is brave enough to kill the injured in hospital.
But clearly it is unable to mount an effective military campaign. Its own air-force appears to have instructions to shoot and destroy military equipment to prevent it from falling into the hands of the NDF, its troops refuse orders, run away, or go over to the enemy and take their equipment with them.
While the oligarchs live well in Kiev the troops seek shelter and food handouts from the very people they are intended to attack. This is not the army of a nation state it is a collection of undisciplined biker gangs who are as likely to turn on their masters as engaged the “enemy.”
As you are aware, mounting any military campaign requires a significant logistics effort. All the signs point to this being beyond the capabilities of the UAF. Once their ready use stocks are consumed then this “offensive” grinds to a halt. Should Russia shut off the gas then Ukraine pretty much comes to a complete stop. And if it demonstrates incompetency in the good campaign weather of summer, how will the UAF respond when they must also combat Father Winter?
I believe the UAF to be an extremely brittle force of limited military effectiveness as you have pointed out. All that Putin needs to do is be patient and allow the UAF to realize it can achieve little except provoke a response which it will be unable to defend itself against. As this awareness grows I would expect the biker gangs at the heart of Kiev’s power to turn on their patrons in government and undertake another putsch.
While the UAF slowly disintegrates Putin will likely provide background assistance to the NDF. A people defending their own homes and loved ones make for a better military resource than a group of conscripts in need of a paycheck and meal. I suspect we will see the NDF commence spoiling attacks against the UAF lines of communication. This will overtax an already thinly stretched force and create even more shortages of needed material. The advantage of this Partisan strategy is that there will never be enough force fielded to provoke a NATO reaction, or a Polish intervention. Air power is ineffective against small teams operating under cover, tanks even more so. Drones may help, as would dog teams but both of these can be defeated.
In three months we head into the beginning of winter. If I was advising the NDF, I would suggest small scale spoiling attacks on the UAF LOC while holding defensible urban terrain. At the same time I would be training larger forces to operate in a winter environment so as to Finnish off (pun intended) the rest of the UAF. Given the problems the USSA faces in the Middle East and the likely demands on its resources, I suspect the Ukraine situation becomes an unpleasant, low priority, forgotten conflict. NATO doesn’t get its desired funding and the sane members of the EU begin to question their continued relationship with a mad hegemon.
Dear Saker,
I entirely agree with your view-point that what we are seeing now is not a war between Ukraine and Russia, but a war between the US and Russia. The US leadership is certifiably insane and made up of a bunch of psychopaths who are hell bent on destabilizing and destroying any and all countries that would resist the supposedly benevolent and enlightened hegemony of the so called “exceptional and indispensable nation”, and who have succeeded in doing so at the cost of destabilizing the US itself, to the point that a quarter percent rise in interest rates could precipitate the country into a downward death spiral from which there would be no recovery. This is another reason why they need to instigate new wars, in order to revive a moribund economy and to justify clamping down on domestic dissent which is showing signs of getting out of hand (see the defeat of Cantor in Virginia). The true patriots and American nationalists (Patrick Buchanan and Paul Craig Roberts come to mind) are the Empire’s worst nightmare, and so far the Empire and its vast propaganda machine has managed to suppress and marginalize them, but they can see that the job of deceiving the population is getting more difficult by the day. A few major simultaneous shooting wars would be a God-send to these amoral desperados and would enable them to criminalize any form of dissent or opposition. The prospect of FEMA concentration camps to break the will and the spirit of American patriots is certainly not a wild fantasy on the part of deluded crackpot conspiracy theorists.
The same people visiting these terror tactics on Novorossiya will eventually turn on the decent folks and citizens of the USA. If we don’t oppose the fascists in Kiev and Washington our turn will be next.
Kudos to Putin for staying calm and doing everything he can while maintaining plausible deniability. Nothing could enrage Samantha Power and Jan Psaki more.
I hope that the Russians cut off the gas to Ukraine come Monday and get serious with Banderastan instead of extending deadlines every other day and pretending that they are dealing with normal and reasonable folks. After all the buffoons in Kiev cut off water and electricity to the Crimea, as well as to the towns of Novorossiya, and it is high time that Russia responded in kind!
Thank you Saker and God keep you healthy and safe,
American Russophile
Saker –
Thank you for your thoughtful and incisive analysis.
It appears that you have omitted any analysis of what appears to be Russia’s most powerful non-military weapon – its control of gas to Ukraine (and to other EU countries).
What is your view as to when, and how, Russia would use this leverage.
I imagine that Belarusians may be feeling a little nervous, bounded on three sides as they are by the USA-NATO vassal regimes of Lithuania, Poland and junta Ukraine. As you know, Kiev is virtually just across the border. Saker, I’d be interested in hearing your opinion on the situation there.
Anonymous said…
to try to terrorist the people of Novorossia”
It should be “to try to terrorize”
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Come on, anonymous, whoever you are—forget the nitpicking. The Saker is doing a marvelous job of keeping us informed of what is going on. I think we all understood exactly what he meant. You try ot write 4046 words (the count of this piece) almost every day and see if you misphrase something. Keep your kind of comment for some meaningless discussion blog.
Let’s say China’s foreign secretary is overheard that they want tea party goon Frederic Art as new prime minister of the US of A [‘Fuck Canada’], and low and behold, that’s exactly what happens… I sincerely wonder how the local election process really works if a foreign country can determine the outcome of said elections.
It is obvious by now that the EU is spineless ventriloquist’s dummy and NATO [which should have been disbanded the moment the ‘Iron Curtain’ came down] nothing but bunch of uniformed consiglieri. The veneer of ‘democratic principles’ and other horse manure have been blistered off by the truth, as it comes through via instant messaging and other electronic gadgets.
The ‘spiel’ is not about anyone in the Ukraine. The dying Empire does what all dying Empires have done before her; fight herself out off a cesspool of drab, debt and derelict behavior [as in casino banks too big to fail].
But if the [preliminary] outcome in Afghanistan and Iraq are anything to go by, leaders can be overthrown, lands invaded, but a guerrilla war never defeated [or won].
China’s testing the US response by harassing Vietnam to see what she’ll do [not much beyond the usual rhetoric] before shoring up islands left and/or right.
I hope the level of death and destruction in the Ukraine remains minimal.
This video unlike the previous about rolling military hardware on the Russian side of the border appears to be legit from this weekend, Rostov on Don region filmed shortly before noon Sunday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gjVcH1hUg
Strelkov deputy Berezin says Ukrainian Army or National Guard APC crew that drove into Russia, and may have been suspected of making a defection attempt, have been executed by Right Sector Nazis:
https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/478301015662284800
https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/478297899369914368
G Bazov and other Russian sources are indicating that a gas supply cutoff may be imminent, Gazprom-Ukraine negotiations which resumed at 8 o’clock MSK Sunday evening have concluded in Moscow unsuccessfully. I hope Russia has a plan to pump more natgas through Nordstream and Belarus/Druzhba in order to reroute gas through its corporate partner Ruhrgas to the Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians when the Ukies start stealing what’s left in the pipe that runs to Slovakian border.
American Kulak
Breaking: UNSC to hold yet another meeting, this one behind closed doors, on Ukraine Monday evening, several hours after the State Duma of the Russian Federation is holding its own session to discuss Ukraine:
https://twitter.com/aleksiskander/status/478316147008626688
Per Mohamed’s request I am starting to use name at the top of posts rather than remaining an ‘Anon’ attaching to the bottom.
Wondering if Juan will be able to issue a SITREP by Monday night, and curious what stories will come out of Moscow in next 24 hours regarding the evacuation of Russia’s diplomatic mission (last warning the Ukies will get before official hostilities commence).
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A very strange interview with Dugin, he absolutely demands that Russia intervenes NOW or else Russia will die.”
he is right.
perceptiuon is everything. if russia so mcuh btoehrs about what impression she has on her enemis then russia is doomed.it shows her weakness to be liked and not to be respected. she will get neither if actas weakling. russia coudl have dropped dolalr 5 eyars ago-but she chose to sleep over it.
Dear Saker and Friends of Novorossiya,
Unconfirmed: Several Twitter sources say a Russian convoy of military vehicles is presently headed for the Ukraine border. This time it may be more than just rumor. Photos and dash videos show dozens of canvas covered trucks moving along the highway, possibly as many as 200. Some speculate this is humanitarian aid, since the trucks are not armored. Does anyone have more information?
Also, they say the gas talks have failed, and possibly Russia will turn off gas to Ukraine within a few hours. I can’t imagine this happening. My biggest question is: how many power stations in Ukraine depend on this gas? How many in Novorossiya? Would this wreak even further havoc for the people? I agree with you, Saker, that Putin cares about the welfare of the people. From all his actions I am aware of, it appears that is his foremost concern. If turning off the gas would hurt the Ukrainian citizens more than the Kiev government, I doubt Putin would take that step. Does anyone know more?
Thank you again, Saker, for this open information site.
Dear Seeker
Excellent analysis.
My heart too is bleeding to see the struggle of East Ulraine.
THe real heroes are in the DNF fighting Nazism again!
Maybe one of the many tactics of Russia:
I Think Russia will wait until automn to cut off the gas so the western Ukraine people will stand up and and overthrow the Nazi government, but i’m sure Putin got many many other smart tactics.
p.s. I’m from Holland(the Netherlands bull shit in the EU alas) pensionary but will start study Russian. (Great composers also like Rachm, Moussorgsky (Big Gate of Kiev) and so on)
Ukraine is in the process of closing its border with Russia – expects completion to take a few more days, considering using landmines… from VoR Maybe D hour is fast approaching.
While there has been a lot of discussion about what the US and EU are doing/not doing there is another aspect here – the Ukrainian population the majority of which is not fascist or sympathetic to Right Sector nutjobs. Why do they allow this terrible situation to persist? What did Ms Nuland et al actually buy for their 5 billion dollars? I think one answer is they ran a fairly convincing PR campaign through their NGO presence among other things. If you listen to the opinions expressed in the BBC Kharkov World Have Your Say program you will hear what I believe are some of the fruits of that effort. A significant portion of the population has at best ambivalent feelings about Russia and a naive sense about the ‘shinning light’ of Europe. “Russia is the past, Europe is the future” or something like that. Saker’s comment to the effect Russians in many respects “could care less about Ukraine and its troubles” has fed this estrangement. Perhaps a Russian move is coming and while some part of me hopes so (especially to stop the blood letting in the east) I fear that it will have a huge cost and uncertain outcome – I fear tragedy compounding tragedy. What to do? The world is full of hard choices and the future uncertain… this is normal. Events are in motion and no sense crying over what might have/should have been…
People wondering what will happen when Russia turns off the gas – nothing actually, for a while anyway. It is the warm season and Ukraine has been filling their storage reservoirs as fast as possible which have considerable capacity. I suspect they have a few months supply in hand. Not sure how transit to Europe will be affected though. I am sure this has all been contemplated and Kiev has the backing of the US of course – that’s why they refused to make a deal – I think they want and expect Russia to turn off the tap. Just another provocation and chance to villify Russia as the bad guy.
Looks like Europe is going to have a cold winter. They should ask the ukies for some white phosphorus to keep them warm.
Theodore Svedberg:
As do many others, you refer to the establishment of a Banderistan on Russia’s western border as an “existential threat.” I have no wish to dispute this, but seek articulation of just why you consider it to be an “existential threat,”
Because the very purpose and cause of Banderstan’s existence is the subversion of the essence and purpose of Russia by internal division and its subsumption into the western atlantic polity, and most importantly with respect to its own people, its subsumption as a slave/extraction state that exists for enriching and pleasing the west
You have to understand that at the very outset of geopolitics in the early1600’s, the course of world affairs for at least 500 years was already settled because of Russia’s exploration/conquest/settlement of Siberia/Tartary and her repulsion of the Polish advance.
Banderstan is the contradiction and rejection of this foundations of geopoltics. Instead of Russia being the leading light of Eurasia and Christendom by virtue of its central position on the world land axis, it is the terra nova/hyperborea of the Atlantic states, a servile colony providing sexual slaves, laborers, free land, and extraction resources.
There are two options in world affiars. Either Russia is divided, subsumed, and converted to the west, leaving the chaos of London, New York, Paris, and Rome in charge, or Russia leads and guides the world, placing Moscow at the forefront of politics, and letting other cities, peoples, and lands work under her in their own natural positions regarding world trade, religion, culture, finance, etc.
In this sense, Banderastan is an inversion of the natural order of things, a sign that piracy rules the world sphere.
Theodore Svedberg:
As do many others, you refer to the establishment of a Banderistan on Russia’s western border as an “existential threat.” I have no wish to dispute this, but seek articulation of just why you consider it to be an “existential threat,”
Because the very purpose and cause of Banderstan’s existence is the subversion of the essence and purpose of Russia by internal division and its subsumption into the western atlantic polity, and most importantly with respect to its own people, its subsumption as a slave/extraction state that exists for enriching and pleasing the west
You have to understand that at the very outset of geopolitics in the early1600’s, the course of world affairs for at least 500 years was already settled because of Russia’s exploration/conquest/settlement of Siberia/Tartary and her repulsion of the Polish advance.
Banderstan is the contradiction and rejection of this foundations of geopoltics. Instead of Russia being the leading light of Eurasia and Christendom by virtue of its central position on the world land axis, it is the terra nova/hyperborea of the Atlantic states, a servile colony providing sexual slaves, laborers, free land, and extraction resources.
There are two options in world affiars. Either Russia is divided, subsumed, and converted to the west, leaving the chaos of London, New York, Paris, and Rome in charge, or Russia leads and guides the world, placing Moscow at the forefront of politics, and letting other cities, peoples, and lands work under her in their own natural positions regarding world trade, religion, culture, finance, etc.
In this sense, Banderastan is an inversion of the natural order of things, a sign that piracy rules the world sphere.
Saker, please check this, quite outrageous and worrying:
Ukrainian “sorting camps” for population is confirmed.
Deportation of civillians from Donbass confirmed.
They intend to move some population out of the areas of unrest and attack what’s left.
All of this by Ukrainian authorities.
“We strive for peace!”
news.tut.by/world/403243.html
Bomb the land-> deport the population who didn’t fled from bombs-> fracking. win win.
Its more evil and Nazi inspired than that .Here is a report that if confirmed shows they are returning to their Nazi past and must be prevented even by war:
” LNR leaders report Kiev plan leaks: Eastern Ukraine population substitute”
The counterintelligence department of the LNR Army have received secret data from a reliable source in the government office of Arseniy Yatsenyuk. It is reported that Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers in close collaboration with US experts have prepared a secret plan, which will be implemented around November 2014. According to this plan, 250,000 residents of Western Ukraine, mostly from the rural areas, will be relocated to the South East regions (the main targets will be Lugansk, Donetsk and Nikolaev regions).
Thus, residents of the western part of the country will take over possession of the houses and land belonging to locals who either were murdered by junta or chased out of their land for standing up against the illegitimate and criminal government of Ukraine. According to the Resistance fighters, a 25,000 UAH incentive (about $ 3000) will be given to every West Ukrainian family who decide to relocate.
Saker, please check this, quite outrageous and worrying:
Ukrainian “sorting camps” for population is confirmed.
Deportation of civillians from Donbass confirmed.
They intend to move some population out of the areas of unrest and attack what’s left.
All of this by Ukrainian authorities.
“We strive for peace!”
news.tut.by/world/403243.html
Bomb the land-> deport the population who didn’t fled from bombs-> fracking. win win.
Its more evil and Nazi inspired than that .Here is a report that if confirmed shows they are returning to their Nazi past and must be prevented even by war:
” LNR leaders report Kiev plan leaks: Eastern Ukraine population substitute”
The counterintelligence department of the LNR Army have received secret data from a reliable source in the government office of Arseniy Yatsenyuk. It is reported that Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers in close collaboration with US experts have prepared a secret plan, which will be implemented around November 2014. According to this plan, 250,000 residents of Western Ukraine, mostly from the rural areas, will be relocated to the South East regions (the main targets will be Lugansk, Donetsk and Nikolaev regions).
Thus, residents of the western part of the country will take over possession of the houses and land belonging to locals who either were murdered by junta or chased out of their land for standing up against the illegitimate and criminal government of Ukraine. According to the Resistance fighters, a 25,000 UAH incentive (about $ 3000) will be given to every West Ukrainian family who decide to relocate.Oerfon
There’s no question that the Ukrainian crisis is a US-Russsian proxy war.
But there is another equally important war that Russia needs to fight if she is to survive: that is the war for Europe, specifically Germany.
Conservative nationalist that he is, Putin doesn’t like to meddle in other countries. But given that the present struggle is a world struggle and that Russia’s most important future allies lie as much in Europe as in Eurasia, he needs to devote much greater energy and thought to winning over the Europeans.
RT has been a good start. But Putin now needs to use some of his oil revenues to purchase TV, press, and other opinion-shaping media in Europe.
Popular Fronts, Münzenberg’s propaganda network, and the purchase of leading politicians helped Stalin added several dozen divisions to the Red Army. This is also the basis of America’s counter-civilizational empire. It has to become part of Russia self-defense apparatus.
Just imagine if Merkel had categorically said ‘no’ to Obongo. Russian today wouldn’t be facing NATO on its doorstep.
Against the totally vicious and unprincipled forces of the Washington/London/Tel Aviv axis, V.V. has to get more creator. Stalin showed the way; Putin has to get more like Stalin.
-Armenian Catholic
Something is happening!
I have now collected 6 videos of Russian armor and troops moving west from Rostov. Some people have suggested that this is old footage from April 24th, but as far as I can tell this is all from yesterday, Sunday June 15th.
Russia moves to Donbass? (Playlist)
I have not seen any mention of this anywhere outside Facebook, except this story on Ukrainskaya Pravda.
This could be a replay of the April 24 scare operation. Then again, who knows…
Pew Poll for mid-October 2014:
What is the chief cause of Time of Troubles in Ukraine?
a) Lying Oligarchs
b) Western Betrayal
c) Loss of Five Oblasti
d) Naive Idealism
e) Naive Fascism
f) Moskal Won’t Talk to Us Anymore
g) Poles and Galicians
Brian
Interesting poll done by KM.
Никто не хочет войны. Но она идет (No one wants war. But it goes)
http://www.km.ru/world/2014/06/15/protivostoyanie-na-ukraine-2013-14/742416-nikto-ne-khochet-voiny-no-ona-idet (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.km.ru/world/2014/06/15/protivostoyanie-na-ukraine-2013-14/742416-nikto-ne-khochet-voiny-no-ona-idet
“The clashes in the Eastern regions of Ukraine, which does not end with April, remain the main theme of the local media. What angle are given these events is to explain to the reader, perhaps, not worth it.
In early March the largest media of the neighbouring state agreed on a unified information policy. As a result, in the media, “Independent” extremely rare to find information on the perpetrators of the death of civilians Eastern regions, which Ukrainian journalists why it is often referred to as “terrorists”.
Meanwhile, as it turned out, not all the residents of Western Ukraine support nationalist ideas and actions of the Kiev authorities. The majority of respondents KM.RU Ukrainians called for an immediate cease-fire in the Eastern regions of the country. But they refused to disclose their real names or pictures, obviously demonstrates prevailing in modern Western society, the attitude to the freedom of opinion…”
The modern ziofascist “democracy” where people are afraid to have their names attached to their opinions because of a real threat of reprisal. Further in the article it is talked about that a main reason people voted for Poroshenko is he was seen as a lesser of two evils and people didn’t want the election dragged out into a 2nd round. They just wanted it over in the hope stability could be returned afterwards.
Anonymous Anonymous said…
Well, IMHO this is no overt or covert war on Russia but on Western Europe.
15 June, 2014 21:24
Shazzaam!
Just as the US is scrambling to hide its imminent financial collapse, it is terrified that Western Europe will escape its political yoke and ally with Russia.
@ Petri Krohn,
Thanks for the links. Appreciated.
Those columns are massive indeed. As far as I can see, the sunlight and shades have respectively a summer hue and length to them. I would say June as well.
I don’t see how cutting off the gas for Ukraine will have any effect on that country. Ukraine has reportedly already put enough gas into storage to last them through the summer, and after that they will simply take what they want from Europe’s share. The EU will then have to pay for Ukraine’s gas, which will hurt its economies, but not Ukraine’s.
Petri Krohn said…16 June, 2014 01:22
“Something is happening!
I have now collected 6 videos of Russian armor and troops moving west from Rostov. Some people have suggested that this is old footage from April 24th, but as far as I can tell this is all from yesterday, Sunday June 15th.
I have not seen any mention of this anywhere outside Facebook, except this story on Ukrainskaya Pravda.
This could be a replay of the April 24 scare operation. Then again, who knows…”
Let’s see, in the last few days, the zionazis had their bum bandits invade Russian territory, atack the Russian embassy in Kiev. What next? The sods are running out of things to do to provoke Russia. If the Russians are returning their forces close to border so they can prevent zionazi actions, it’s rather a prudent thing to do.
The response to Israeli-American imminent action in Crimea by the Russians might be repeating here. The web has been abuze with warnings of imminent zionazi falseflags and desperation about their failing campaign in the Ukraine. A little preventative action in such an environment never hurts, and as what could have happened Crimea, it can save the lives of many people slate for the Israelo-American butcher block.
American Kulak – thank you for posting your name at the top of your posts!
As you said at 00:05, “Per Mohamed’s request I am starting to use name at the top of posts rather than remaining an ‘Anon’ attaching to the bottom.”
I promise you the extra bit of work is a great help to me and I imagine others.
I’m following SAKER’s recent suggestion and scrolling down through the comments ignoring every post that begins with “Anonymous said…”
Then I saw your name and had to do a rapid reverse up the page ;)
All good now – thank you!
Iran is sending troops to assist the US puppet regime in Baghdad.
In time, will Iran send troops to assist the US puppet regime in Kyiv?
Its arguable that Baghdad is more Iran’s puppet than the Us’s
Yes, I too appreciate certain valued posters here like American Kulak and Auslander putting their names at the top of their posts.
“Just imagine if Merkel had categorically said ‘no’ to Obongo.”
European Union is in economical tatters, the apparent healthiness of German engine hides the fact of it’s reliance on a demonstrably unsustainable financial system making her effective hostage of US/UK centers. Merkel can’t simply say “no”, it would constitute a far too disrupting about face, only avoided via a gradual redirection of it’s policy.
Germany, having procrastinated so much, even sharing the West’s Ukraine delusion (Mr. Steinmeier Kiev’s disgraceful meddling in february), does indeed need a push to understand what was obvious since long time: Russia’s legitimate hold on Germany’s economic gas pedal, in other words, that Russia means business, and only a honest trade partnership is in it’s actual interest.
How to convey that realization to washington and london is, unavoidably, a matter of diplomacy and any precarious leverage Frankfurt may have left with the non-lunatics there, failing at their own peril – germans and the rest of europeans (myself included).
Siamese dilema, implies delicate and long surgery, prospect of survival is low without it and improves only slightly with. It is still better then assured non-survival.
Anonymous:
“Also, they say the gas talks have failed, and possibly Russia will turn off gas to Ukraine within a few hours. I can’t imagine this happening. My biggest question is: how many power stations in Ukraine depend on this gas? How many in Novorossiya? Would this wreak even further havoc for the people? I agree with you, Saker, that Putin cares about the welfare of the people. From all his actions I am aware of, it appears that is his foremost concern. If turning off the gas would hurt the Ukrainian citizens more than the Kiev government, I doubt Putin would take that step. Does anyone know more”
Ukraine has emergency gas in storage, at least they’re suppose to. If they don’t, they’ll steal what they need from the gas that crosses Ukraine on it’s way to Europe.
People in Kiev are thinking that the military collapse that happened in Iraq could just as easily happen in Ukraine .
The Ukies are only digging their own grave if they encounter resistance, whether from without in the form of Putin’s Russia, or from within in the form of dissent and such.
The rank and file Ukrainian seems to be drooling over prospect of getting a slice of the Infinite Checkbook of the New World Order, while Putin has washed his hands of the Donbas (foolishly). No resistance.
I am pleased that Putin will live to fight another day and is building a credible alternative to the New World Order, but justice and righteousness requires that one not leave one’s own people behind to be slaughtered.
Even America traded its enemies to bring home a deserter. That is why America was/is powerful. It can enjoin the loyalty of its people. Putin is playing a fools game by selling out the Donbas. One day he will be abandoned by his people. he needs to meditate on that.
Baboo
Aiding the people of Novorussiya is all well and good but Putin/Russia need to cut the head off i.e. Kiev junta and to do that the Ukraine military needs to be turned. Does Russia have the HUMINT and just as importantly the will to do it. We shall see.
Saker,
You seem to think that the regime can’t break through and threaten Donetsk or otherwise make significant progress. Is that your heart or brain talking? It still looks like the resistance is an uncoordinated and inexperienced group of folks who shouldn’t stand a chance against an army with high-priced advisors to run things.
Also, does it look like the Ukrainian military who have apparently “switched sides” will actually do anything other than sit?