According to the site Colonel Cassad, “the IRGC has declared that as soon as the US strikes Iran, Iran will strike Israel”.
I rate Cassad as a B+ source: mostly reliable.
If this is correct, then we what we will have next is a total war.
This is the beginning of the end for the Empire.
May God protect all the faithful.
The Saker
Thank you Saker for your update. Peace to you and your family.
News just in that a second wave of missiles has now struck United States military bases in Iraq.
Multiple targets have been hit, including Ayn Asad and Al Taji bases, and a target in Erbil.
It’s war. That’s the terrible reality now.
The big question is: How hard will the idiots in Washington respond?
Deeply troubling and disturbing news.
Enjoy your nativity meal.
Taking out the airbases is a sound strategy. That’s where I would start.
Gezzah,
I read your earlier post that you’re 300 km/miles from the fire; glad you’re safe.
Re how hard will the idiots hit now?
I think I would relax now: Trump has already begun climbing down: the Iranians called the orange ignoramus’s bluff and Mr. Blowhard-in-chief folded. See his latest tweet:
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq.Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military in the world by far! [oh brother! How insecure you must be, you complete moron, that you need to keep repeating that]
I [Trump] will be making a statement tomorrow morning.
The above is typical Trump BS when he’s lost a fight: he tries to spin his embarrassing screw up as a victory for the moronic unthinking groupies (like Sean Hannity aka Sean Handmaiden) in his base.
He’s seems to be saying so far so good because no casualties (changing the goalposts now that his bluff was called since earlier he was adamant, any retaliation would result in a disproportionate retaliation from the US.)
Anaam…. Reports that at least 6 F-35 Lightning 11 fighter Jets left Al Dhafra Airbase in the UAE a couple of hours ago.
Reports also that American fighter Jets have been seen over Eastern Syria and Iraq.
I’ve been trying to monitor so many sites that’s its hard to keep up.
You also know that B-52 bombers were relocated to Diego Garcia barely 2 days ago.
Yes, I saw the Trump tweet earlier.
I wish you were right Anaam, but no, the Yanks will strike back. Probably missiles at Iranian military targets or even oil refineries, but after this morning with 2 waves of Missile attacks, the nutters in Washington will double down.
So far they are simply denying that they were hurt in any way. Hence Trump’s “so far so good” or whatever he said in that vein.
Let’s wait until tomorrow.
I know I am going to crash in bed.
Singing off.
The Saker
enjoyed nativity meal, hymns and ceremony with Ethiopian Orthodox families here. may yours be blessed as well.
Very glad to see you go to bed singing Saker :-) We Cymraeg [Eng: Welsh] do it all the time.
Sacrifice Israel? Big call.
I think not now.
it seems your initial analysis of 80% war is heading into that direction and quite accurate. iran reciprocates, america also reacts. once iran attacks israel, the world will once again be in disarray.
The Apartheid state has a fake “mil-blog” site called DEKBAfile which hypes every war rumor – some which they’ve invented themselves. They’re Johnny-on-the-spot with every story involving Iran and the possibility of the US smashing that nation.
Curiously, as of posting time that crappy site is totally silent about the Iranian retaliation. Probably they haven’t heard what line they’re supposed to take.
NO LINK from me!
Well years ago I followed debka.com, back then they were a full mossad site, today they’re more of a ‘veteranstoday’ for zionist deploarables yes there is such a thing all over the USA, they’re called ‘right-wing jews’, and they’re gun nutz, unlike the majority of NYC-Jews who control the MSM in JUSA.
But yes, it tells you a lot when these big-mouths who are typically upfront are silent. I think they well know that once again its time to put duck tape and plastic on the windows in tel-aviv condo’s, and sleep in the closet where its safe wearing your gas-mask.
It’s strange, they relish killing palestinian children with white-phosphorous, but when the bully-israel gets their own medicine they cry like spoiled brats.
Let’s hope that once the wall’s of Israel fall, that the Palestinians seek their due revenge, what’s it been some 90 years of occupation, if you consider when Hitler first shipped the ZIonists from Germany to Palestine, who then became terrorists and bombed british sites.
The problem here is that the ANZ lost the war in Syria, lost Libya, lost Venezuela, lost Iraq, and now their greatest enemy Iran has been awoken.
I’m sure in the coming day’s we’ll hear nothing from the MSM-ANZ (JUSA-MEDIA) other than the poor situation, for these poor Jews stuck in this horrible situation, that they had nothing to do with, and they’ll blame the USA(Jew Owned) for starting the war.
It’s tough being a Mafia State, and the J-Mafia has Trump as their man in JUSA, and Netanyahu as their clown in Israel; Kushners tweets written by BIBI most likely will go silent in the coming days.
I like BBC headlines
Is expecting Iran to de-escalate realistic?
Iran has a number of possible retaliation options following the US killing of an Iranian commander.
1h ago
Oh, well, whad’ya think…. In just an hour after this BBC masterpiece shit hit the fan.
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NBC Ali Arouzi claims Iran demands USA not to retaliate, quoting Haifa and Dubai for “3rd wave”.
Delicious if true. “Sand niggas” returning the “sole hyperpower” the favour. Didn’t Pompeo or someone demanded “not to retaliate” just a day or two ago.
But i am not sure we can trust NBC or any other western propaganda office about what Iran did and dis not say.
Intel would not like loosing Haifa, they already loosing market to AMD last year….
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Trump got himself his Pearl Harbor 2.0 and “wartime president” status. Maybe will make him re-elected.
But also IRGC “pulled the hook”. Due to American hubris they now just can not evacuate USArmy Iraqi garrisons to, say, Kuwait. And would have to infringe upon Iraq sovereignty and to be sitting ducks there. Wagging the dog.
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I still wonder about nukes.
I hope Russia and China would prohibit long-range and medium-range vehicles, citing M.A.D. concerns and protocols, so USA would be limited to short-range nuclear-wielding weapons. Which they shouls have much less.
I also hope Trump would get his re-election and stop short of using tactical nukes, but see no rational reasons for such a restrain for today USA.
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There was no news yet, however, about US Navy fleeing away from Iran ASMs range. So hopefully Pentagon does not see real threat of real war, not yet. And maybe it will still be contained as one more run of the mill American warlette. Hopefully…
Erdo should be now scheming hard to trigger Iran obliterating USAF base in Qatar, and then Qatar becomes solely Turkish vassal.
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Merkel was summoned to Moscow for January 11th.
I wonder if the visit is still pending or cancelled now.
Wonder if Putin would have time for her and other EU claptraps next week. And i hope he and his aides are getting hell out of Syria and region now.
As was said in the previous post by Mr. Saker, best to wait this out until tomorrow morning, when the smoke clears.
However, from the looks of it, it ends here. What we saw was a “measured” response by Iran. A symbolic destruction of U.S military equipment, if that. Some are even saying that most of the rockets landed in the desert/missed the intended targets.
Now, as a Lebanese myself, specifically from South Lebanon, about 3 miles away from the Israeli/Lebanese border, I simply do not see the Lebanese faction of Hezbollah getting involved in this. Lebanon is already mired in a political crisis as is, and too have Hezbollah escalate in the south….. it’s just not happening, or at least I hope. Of course, nothing is impossible…. just extremely unlikely, even if Iran were to suffer from direct hits tonight/tomorrow on its capital. Its a waiting game, what will Mr. Trump do next?
Read reports recently regarding 50 F-35’s fighter jets in a training exercise yesterday in Colorado, as well as a deployment of 6 B-52 bombers in the region.
I would put it at 25% chance of a large scale air raid against military facilities… 30% if I’m stretching it
“Read reports recently regarding 50 F-35’s fighter jets in a training exercise yesterday in Colorado…”
Did any of them land safely?
“Take-offs are optional, but landings are compulsory”.
No worries Saker. You just said why there won’t be no retaliation from the US to Iran. Bibi will make sure that Israel wont be hurt. Great tactic by Iran though.
Muito obrigado pelo excelente trabalho informando todos nós.
E esperamos que todos possam ficar bem nos dias que virá.
Google translate,MOD:
Thank you so much for the excellent work informing us all.
And we hope that everyone can be well in the days to come.
Yes, that’s right. Total war.
There is a heightened risk of one or more spectacularly notorious false flag attacks right now, say a nuclear 9/11 type of event, to be falsely blamed on Iran, as a fraudulent casus belli to excuse a nuclear assault on Iran.
This retaliation (without US casualties) has been agreed upon between Americans and Iranians in order for the Iranians to save face. Trump has put the Deep State into a corner with the assassination of Israel’s arch enemy (and getting donations from Zionists for his elections and hit job) so the Deep State has to against their will retreat from the Middle East (this is what Trump always wanted but his domestic enemies were against that).
Far fetched and optimistic. I like it. Alas, I doubt we are that lucky.
Not at all far fetched, you’d be surprised, Trump is a genius with a hawkish appearance and dovish heart. That is why you never want a woman president, they have a dovish appearance and hawkish heart.
I’ve been toying with a version of this notion myself. This was a tiny attack, but the Iranians had to do something. If US casualties are low (I know nothing – it’s an assumption for discussion purposes!) a person has to consider the possibility the Iranians gave the local US commanders a timely warning – just enough for them to make some “take shelter” or “run for the hills” announcements seconds before the US radars showed the incoming short-range missiles. If the Pentagon can restrain President Dumbass from turning over the game table, this might not get out of hand.
It’s a theory…
Not seconds..days in advance. This was a mutual agreement.
@dave
US kill a diplomatic representative. Then they spread fake letter of withdrawal to reinforce their positions. Think Iran can somehow believe their unofficial and unwritten agreement with the US ? Maybe you should claim killing Soleimani in blatant and very illegal way is an unwritten agreement too ?
This is my thinking as well. Iran gets to save face while not causing any US casualties that would put pressure on Trump to respond. I suspect the US military were the ones pushing for this equal retaliation and saving of face. I guess we’ll see what happens in the next 24 hours.
Trump manages to weaken the US grip on the world once again. He is either the childish narcissist he appears to be or the world’s greatest actor deftly thinking 8 moves ahead.
Maybe the info that US sent letter or tweet suggesting a “proportionate” response was received both officially (“No way Jose, you dog”) and unofficially (OK, we’ll take out your airbase, agreed?).
Just a thought.
Katherine
Who can give evidence General Sulaimani had a relationship with the Deep State of the US, which supported ISIS and al-Qaeda which in turn was Sulaimani greatest enemy whom he fought with great success?
Why commit an act of war of this magnitude and totally outside of international law to have some effect on the Deep State? One does not risk war for the sake of American dealings with Iran: this is an act which has far reaching effects worldwide or could have (triggering a WWIII is always possible with such reckless acts of terror).
And no, Trump is not a genius at all: estimate IQ of 115, not above 140 (I can state this from a professional point of view).
I tend to (and want to) agree with you.
If one looks at Trump “results” (Ukraine, Venezuela, N Korea, Syria, Atlantic/Pacific trade agreements), one has to concludes that he works against the Globalist agenda that uses the USA to coerce the world.
Many people do not see his results as if their were his results, and tend to consider the world as a mess to be taken care by grown-ups where Trump influence is one of a childish buffoon. The facts is that any President openly and comprehensively fighting the globalist would be sure to end like Kennedy. Still, I do not think that Trump has a real articulated agenda: I think this guy acts mainly instinctively, but that he has some good instincts.
I have the feeling Trump would like to be both a zionist and an Americanist. He wants to protect both the jewish people and the american people, and act accordingly, even if it inevitably leads to some contradictions.
In any case, I think that despite his past and present relationship with the jewish mafias (Roy Cohn, Epstein, Kushner, Adelson, Netanyau etc..) that let one think his understanding of the past and present situation of the world is truncated at best, Trump seems to be a real human being caring for people and with some good basic instincts, not a simple bloodthirsty psychopathic billionaire.
Hezbollah has said that if America attacks #Iran, it will attack Israel.
Houthis in Yemen have said if America attacks, it will attack US bases.
Some PMU units have said they will also attack US forces if the US attacks #Iran.
iran has warned that if there is retaliation for the two waves of attacks they launched their 3rd wave will destroy Dubai and Haifa.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/missile-strike-reportedly-carried-out-against-us-base-iraq
also
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/blowback-from-the-soleimani-assassination-increases-as-iraq-reveals-how-trump-tried-to-steal-its-oil/comments/page/3/#comments
Dear “Nobel Bird”, I must agree with this:
“May God protect all the faithful.”
EVER..!
(…my apologies for capital letters…)
A tight hug in Christ.
Miguel.-
Is Putin still in Damascus?
He’s going to Turkey for the opening of the Turkish Stream, on the 8th, tomorrow.
Putin met Assad today(rumors he met also Nasrallah,but I doubt).He just landed in Istanbul to meet Erdogan to inaugurate the Turkstream today and have talks…do you think there is any link with tonight attack Saker?Putin being in Syria with Shoigu to give his orders(being in the know)?
Don’t we have a ‘real fake’ attack(retaliation from Iran)?It seems there is not a single US Soldier who died?I mean like the ‘real fake’ bombing in Syria when everybody was advised well in advance(Russians and Syrians)and the US bombed targets with zero value with almost no casualties if I’m not wrong?Which would bring us to a possible negociation(forseen before)between the US and Iran?
If one considers the statements of Trump and Pompeo, one realizes that it was absolutely inevitable that Iran would now strike American forces in Iraq. Trump and Pompeo gave as their reason for for their cold-blooded murder *preventing* attacks on American forces in Iraq. Whatever else may be said, that goal, if you want to dignify it with that word, has not been achieved. It is imponderable what will happen next, but Trump and Pompeo pre-ordained what has happened now.
The US will hit Iran with 50 guided bombs, maybe some cruise missiles. Probably some economic targets in the oil and gas sector and a few military targets, like launch sites.
Trump will never just stand down.
It was a save facing deal between the Americans and Iranians
*** Dave…. Check out Vanessa Beeley Facebook page.
Reports from a guy called Laith Marouf that 80 United States personnel were killed and up to 200 wounded in todays missile strikes by Iran.
This obviously Not official yet, but monitor non Western media like Sputnik News, Telesur, Press TV, etc.
I’ve been repeatedly going on Elijah Magnier twitter account – and bizarrely, nothing in hours.
Not a peep from him. Blocked?
“Reports from a guy called Laith Marouf that 80 United States personnel were killed and up to 200 wounded in todays missile strikes by Iran”
how ironic for the american taxpayers if this is true while the murderer in the white house tweets,. so far,,, so good!
I absolutely agree with your assessment L 445 (I am not a military analyst however) But
I also spotted in western BS media the ridiculing of Irans missile attacks as being old and slow moving and didnt really do any damage !!!!
A slap in the US face was what Iran said to have delivered…..
But what is not being mentioned (Correct me if I am wrong ) but these clumsy missiles got under the US defence system ….. Planned ? by US to allow this or reality is that the US systems to detect are dated…. We dont know….
The next US retailiation will be severe ……. and then Iran parallel to US launch will launch too – a much superior array of missilesthis time , faster and more accurate at …. more military targets ? or civilian targets ? we dont know what or who they will chose to hit.
Saudi Oil fields and other similar high profile targets to keep civilian casualties to deprive the trashy media portrayal of “bombing poor helpless grannies and babies …. stuff?
Israel if targeted means civilian casualties…. THats Not a good PR move
My worst fear after the next wave of retailiations where US percieves they have been deeply insulted Injured further will be that the US will/may go Nuclear ……
The ultimate insult to global societies everywhere if they do.
Israel , however, will be targeted by Hezbollah at some stage if matters escalate further…..
I believe Iran is wise enough to just hit structures which seriously harm US image…. Saudi Oil infrastructure
Significant destruction of oil field infrastructure will also reveal how useless the US defense system s are once again… and most of us will be cycling or walking to work once pumps run dry or way too expensive to buy gas
These are Just my observations.
But there is no wisdom visible or displayed anywhere in the EU or Washington political appointed or elect …… Including Canada and Australia. (NZ does what it is told.)
Live Updates: Iran Launches Missile Strike on US Forces in Iraq
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202001081077971856-live-updates-iran-launches-missile-strike-on-us-forces-in-iraq/
Latest:
05:18
Iranian Military Jets Up In Air Following Liftoff of US Fighters From UAE Base – Source
“Iranian military aircraft have lifted off from airports and are flying over the country in response to the liftoff of US military aircraft from a base in the United Arab Emirates,” the source said on Wednesday morning.
05:09
IRGC Commander Says Iran’s Attacks Were First Step – Reports
An IRGC commander said Iran’s attacks were the first step and Tehran will not spare Americans, Reuters reported.
04:49
Iran’s Telecommunications Minister Tweets: ‘Get the Hell Out of Our Region’ After the Attacks
Get the hell out of our region!#HardRevenge🇮🇷🇮🇶
— MJ Azari Jahromi (@azarijahromi) January 8, 2020
04:43
US Federal Aviation Authority Bans Flights Over Persian Gulf Due to Heightened Military Activities
“Certain flights… are prohibited from operating in the overwater airspace above the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman due to heightened military activities,” the FAA said in a notice on Tuesday.
04:42
Ministers Leave White House as Their Talks With Trump Are Over – CNN
04:40
Trump Will Not Deliver Address to Nation on Tuesday Night – CNN
04:31
Israel’s Air Force, Air Defence on High Alert Amid the Attacks – Al Arabiya
04:27
Iran’s Supreme Leader Khamenei Arrives at Iranian Operations HQ to Track the Attacks – Reports
Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has arrived at the Iranian operations headquarters to coordinate attacks on US facilities in Iraq, MSNBC reports citing Iranian State TV.
04:10
US Forces in Syria on High Alert, Moving to Base Close to Iraqi Border – Reports
US Forces in eastern Syrian Deir ez-Zur province are on high alert and started moving to the military base close to the Iraqi border, following the attack, state-run Syria TV reported.
Syria TV also said that they received information regarding the beginning of an evacuation of US forces from the Al-Omar oil field and the Conoco gas field. US troops are on their way to the military base near Ash Shaddadi town in Hasakah province.
What a way to spend Christmas day. Thank you so much for your updates Saker!
Some feeds are reporting no US casualties – if so that would explain why Trump hasnt made any public statement. No point having a major war over minor strike. Best to dial this back, Iran gets some face saving action to show its own public.
I hope the Iranians know an attack is coming and have prepared (my guess overnight.The US likes to strike in the dark).The US just barred civilian aircraft over Iraq,Iran,and the Persian Gulf.So that is almost a certain sign that attacks are coming soon.
https://www.rt.com/usa/477683-faa-bars-flights-persian-gulf-iran/
will it be on America soil ?
Trick or treat?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1214728638136037376
IRGC: IF TEHERAN IS TARGETED WE WILL STRIKE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES
Javad Zarif:
Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.
We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.
I have to say that the MSM here in the U.S. is acting in a rather odd way. Very little is being reported but almost all of my work acquaintances are extremely worried. Usually this is show time around the clock for the MSM talking heads as they have a very willing audience. Perhaps this a shot across the bow from Iran and the poor media isn’t going to get what they seem to want. I pray this is the case.
Trump is not going to address the “nation” tonight. Does this mean he will later Tweet? How ironic: the world ends not with a bang but a twitter…. ( sorry, couldn’t resist a bit of gallows humor). sigh.
Do you think Putin knew about this and decided to visit Syria to add a calm presence ( he brought along Shoigu)?
The problem is that for Trump to back down means he has to admit he made a mistake but he thinks arrogance is his strong suit.
If Russia has any hidden Electromagnetic jamming tools, now is the time to spread their wings.
Vladimir Putin is in Damascus for one simple reason – to act as a human shield to prevent a US nuclear strike!
Putin is the master strategist of our age.
God Bless Vladimir Putin!
I don’t know what martial art is it, but manuals should translated it into a “blank parry”/”Parada em branco”.
Damascus is covered by the S-400, no?
Tonight Warren has been elected POTUS.
Dems will soon ask impeachment not about Ukraine but about Iran.And this one is much stronger in terms of law and consitution.
Pelosi Urges End to Trump’s ‘Endless Provocations’ after Iran’s Retaliation
US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for an end to the Trump administration’s “endless provocations” after Iran retaliated the assassination of its top anti-terror commander.
https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/01/08/2177343/pelosi-urges-end-to-trump-s-endless-provocations-after-iran-s-retaliation
Two-faced useless Nancy.
Votes to extend the un-Patriot Act, unlimited MIC power AND the Space Farce.
All the old ma$$ively rich citizen hating “leaders” need to STFU and slither away.
Just saying…….
The strike on Soleimani et al was ill advised and reprehensible, but not illegal or unconstitutional under US law. Congress gave Trump all the shield he needs by passing the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, etc. using 9/11 as an excuse. The president is authorized by congress to wage war against “terrorists” and their sponsors. Soleimani was on the official “terrorist” list, therefore a “legal” drone target. If Trump had not committed this assassination some other President would have eventually. No one to blame for this but ourselves – lets demand the repeal of those abominable laws before they get us all killed.
Trump has responded to the Iranian attacks on US military in Iraq with this tweet:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1214739853025394693?s=20
I think this whole affair is a calculated escalation. The US elites know that most of the world and time is against them and if they can’t win they want to leave scorched earth and enter a new cold war.
Trump just tweeted “All is well” and “So far so good” on assessing damage.
Seems the bases really were already vacant and we just got a good show. He is set to make a statement in the morning.
Earthquake in Iran. Is HAARP real?
https://files.catbox.moe/y1yw55.png
Iran has earthquakes all the time…if it is true – it won’t be HAARP. It might be Mother Nature though, responding to the assassination in the only language she knows will get people to hear. Her cry of anguish maybe.
Donald J. Trump
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All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.
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There are US casualties for sure. Usual belittling of the opponent is what the US war-prop does best.
Qadr missiles were used and they got a 200kg warhead. 6 of them apparently the hit al-asad base. I am pretty sure they caused quite some damage and casualties.
Not if the attack was coordinated with US ahead of time. Remember the leaked withdrawal letter. One Star Generals do not compose notices to withdraw from the country on their initiative. Trump has chosen to exit Iraq, and Iran has agreed to accept this as more than fair compensation for Suleimani’s death. The missile strike was just theater for domestic consumption.
At least that would be the hopeful interpretation.
Craig, I think that is about the most accurate assessment of what we are seeing that I ve read today.
Fully agree with your comment
According to Al Jazeera (cited source: Fars News Agency) Iran used Fateh-313 missiles:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/iran-attack-forces-iraq-200108022159468.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20160920063407/http://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/fateh-313/
I have been thinking about this saker. But to tell you the truth, I wish they would hold off on that for now because then they will also have to deal with the Israeli airforce. Maybe a better target that would really hurt uncle Schmuel would be to take out the Saudi oil complexes. It would be a judgment on the house of Saud for their part in setting up General Soleimani.
Not that the vicious little tribe doesn’t deserve it.
God keep his faithful.
Oil prices have spiked, but nothing compared to a maximum scenario, so I think another strategy is being played, namely keep prices at fracking break-even point. This keeps the pressure on the US oil companies in no uncertain terms. Russia can help by increasing market supplies to cap the move.
What is Saudi and other Gulf oil exporters doing?
All turns on insurance rates for tankers, if any ships will call to the terminals and load their cargoes. Any news on these fronts?
It is over it was a fake ‘retaliation’ to save face for internal purpose for both countries.Another à la Goutha fake attack.
What a joke.
The saudis are very silencious since Friday…strange.
No war,even less WWIII.Trump has no balls and no money for that.The US is bankrupted.
After he spent the last week issuing a series of absolutely idiotic threats via Twitter, Trump has now said ‘All is well’. One has to wonder whether we will now have real war. Most of the info we have so far is barely more than speculation.
Or you can ask a different question – Is this tweet exactly written by Trump?
What the hell??
https://www.rt.com/news/477687-iran-ukrainian-plane-crash/
I see some posts that because Trump hasn’t said much it might be over. I think that is just a trick. The US ,and especially Trump won’t let it go by.I expect they will attack shortly,maybe not until tomorrow,but I think more likely overnight.
It is 5:24AM on the 8th in Damascus so it is daylight in the mid-East. I expect to see some photos of rubble from
Iraqi sources posted soon. And, yes, I expect the Trump to gleefully present the American people with a fait accompli. we shall see.
I predict war has been averted for a few weeks, Saudi Barbaria from a friend that works in ABM was overthere a few weeks ago prepping second rate defense systems. Usrael I believe was unsure if Trump was going to take the bait of killing Soleimani and will create a false flag in the near future when fully prepared to take advantage of the tension created.
Ok,
No is casualty, none of the planes of the best army of the galaxy was hit, Trump call off the retaliatory strikes and his speech to the nation, and soon will announce an immediate withdrawal from iraq after his “victory”. Too bad that many is soldiers will die from a mysterious disease on their way out. Oh, don’t believe the pmu propaganda if they show you the wreckage of us warplanes when they take back the bases, that’s photoshop. Oh, and pompeo will be fired soon, but that’s just a coincidence.
I think this is a somber and fairly realistic assessment.
No ww3. No major escalations for now just a lot of fiery red hot talk and some fireworks shows for the rubes on both sides.
US won this round. Iran has been put back in its place.
Those who cheer on this site for Iran to take on the empire I say to you Iran is one small under siege and sanctioned country. Neither China nor Russia dare attack the US what makes you think Iran will, just because of national pride? Think again, Iran knows there is an expiration date to the empire same as anything and it will play this game until US either calls it’s bluffs or folds and leaves the Middle East table.
This was 1/7/2020 to Taji which was one of the bases hit by the Iranian missile strike early AM today 1/8/2020 ( their times) so I doubt that base was empty.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-sent-reinforcements-to-northern-baghdad-withdrawal-reports-expert/
If the Patriot missile system is so great how is anything hitting a target. Erdogan is sitting back going – thank god i didn’t buy that shit.
This is almost over. The Iranians fired symbolically, deliberately avoiding the US troops and machines in the bases they hit.
Now, Trump might do something symbolic, but that probably will be like his Syrian strike. Largely ineffective.
What might be going on inside the Iranian government is with Soleimani gone, so too the hard edge of the IRGC. There is a struggle inside the government. Some officials want to establish a detente with the West.
So, no war. The contingent in the government that was not with Soleimani now has the influence.
The conflict may go sub rosa, with proxies. And that is when the US troops will suffer.
Exactly. If Iran intends to kill US troops they will do it through proxies. We’re still at the risk of going further down the escalation spiral, though. It might not end with this, especially after Trump’s rhetoric in the past few days.
It is even possible that Rohani(a declared pro West) arranged the killing of Soleimani with Trump,some Mollahs who love money a lot and feel the danger coming,are happy to negociate or even capitulate with some kind of face saving,with Trump(he proposed to cancel sanctions and sign some kind of peace treaty sunday to avoid retaliation).If confirmed that tonight was a pure comedy,a show,then the big losers are the neocons and ”net and yahoo” as they will NOT have their war with Iran(same for the Saudis).Last chance for the neocons and Israel a vey big false flag but very fast.
Now everybody understands why Russia will NEVER enter in an alliance with Iran,they simply are not reliable(like Erodogan,the Saudis,India,Brazil,Belarus and the Chinese).Smal Assad is reliable untill Assad will be gone one day.Russia is and will stay alone forever.And it is probably better as there are enough fith columns ennemies inside Russia to deal with.
Troll talking point.
All country see their countrymen as disposables for face saving. No mentions of the reciprocal effect and reaction after any military action are taken in strategic power balance and popular population movement. Claiming that countries can come to an understanding and agreement with US that has forgo all rule of laws and civilities when it assassinated Qassem Soleimani on his diplomatic mission.
I don’t agree. Hezbollah is still there. And the new commander of Quds, and the Ayatollah.
Tragedy in Tehran. Airliner crash.
https://sputniknews.com/world/2020010
81077972853-boeing-737-with-180-aboard-crashes-after-take-off-from-tehran-airport—reports/
Probably not tied to the conflict. But now part of the story until the facts come out.
Hmm. 737 MAX?
LM445
You said…”Probably not tied to the conflict.”
Yes, coincidences do happen, but my gut feeling is that this is not one of them.
The timing, the location, the destination, and the plane ownership raise a multitude of questions.
I think you will find that when the passenger list comes out it will raise a hell of a lot more.
Cheers
Col
Ukranian plain down with 180 passengers in Teherán airport https://mundo.sputniknews.com/oriente-medio/202001081090067111-avion-ucraniano-con-180-pasajeros-se-estrella-en-las-inmediaciones-del-aeropuerto-de-teheran/
I am skeptical of the Pentagon claims of “no casualties.” Really, the only way that would be possible is if there was some under the table agreement before hand and the US withdrew its troops from those bases. That just seems very unlikely at this point (unless Washington actually decided to leave Iraq and this was just a symbolic response by Iran). More likely is that Washington is simply in shock and does not want to tell the world the extent of what happened on the ground.
Here are two videos actually showing the missiles coming in (found them on Colonel Cassad):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uoqD_6E0Xk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIqceFxCIvo
What if they simply lie about there being “no casualties” and thus “no retaliation is necessary”?
I think they do, they do lie about no casualties. Having seen the video in the previous post, it is a mighty explosion…Plus, Iran will not play appeasement games with an orange idiot, the red flag has been risen, not that it makes me happy… it is terrifying…Sorry.
Watched the first video, am an Arabic speaker, understood this: ‘It comes, it comes , from the Baghdady region ( min mintaqet el bhaghdady), Al Ain, and then BOOOM. Big one, I think the casualties are many…
Disaster….
Trump is an absolute cretin if he thinks all is well. The project of the resistance axis to kick Uncle sam out of the middle east remains. I’m willing to bet that all enemies of the hegemon are now smelling BLOOD IN THE WATER. Watch out for North koreans, chinese and russians making strategic moves closer to the elections. Neo-confederate Chump and his minions just doomed the United States to death by a thousand cuts. Deplorables must be tired of all that winning, can’t fix stupid…
Ukr plane crushed in Teheran
My hope is that Seely took all the troops out anyway – and that he made it very clear he will defy any orders to strike Iran. People like him over there know that it would be unwinnable, but the goons in Washington are either so clueless as to not know that – or are too cynical and more concerned with their bottom line at any cost.
Super bowl and the playoffs are coming up. Will they be out trying to steal viewers from that show? Now that would be a real mess.
My prediction is that since the election is coming, this just simply can’t deescalate here. Trump with his massive ego and the kind of supporter he has in the US will have to retaliate, and then some subsequent boasting on social media. The retaliation also can’t be purely symbolical, doesn’t matter whether any life was lost or not. When was the last time a legitimate state launched heavy missile attack on Multiple US bases? We are not talking about some minor tattooist attacks here. This talks incredible amount of courage and even though many other countries are wanting to do so, Iran is the first country with the guts to do it. If nothing has been done, powerful and intimidating then to the world, foes and friends alike, this will show weakness. A country with a 20+ trillion in debt and living well beyond its means with the power of its currency can’t afford to show weakness because the power of that currency is there because everyone either trusts or fears US and continues to use the dollar.
They might be swallowing hard:
https://twitter.com/ww3updates/status/1214726407571460096
Iran media: US air radar failed to accurately detect incoming missiles which employed heavy electronic warfare. The radar was destroyed in the first lobby, then the air defence, then the base within a span of a few seconds.
I think that it may de-escalate but Iran ain’t finished yet…supposedly Rouhani is on the out – they don’t like him – neither do they like Zarif…
5.5 million people aren’t going to stop at a warning then a missile strike avoiding any human life. But Iran can wait – revenge is best served cold.
WOW – more than 80 US soldiers killed in Iran strikes and 200+ injured….what a fu**ing jerk Trump is.
I can’t believe he didn’t foresee this. Michael Hudson says its all in the plan – and Israel’s not a part of it, but it seems to me, this was sudden. A trump move…that de-trumpified. What a fool – now America is angry at him too.
2nd time I read that number 80 for casualties. Can you provide a source to that, please?
Middle East Observer -https://www.facebook.com/MEO.Translation/
8O Killed! Haven’t seen that anywhere. What’s the source?
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/443924/Over-80-U-S-forces-dead-in-Iran-missile-attack-to-targets-in
I have no idea how credible is this source
Laith Marouf Facebook page… He’s claiming there was 80 killed. He posted this on Vanessa Beeley’s Facebook page.
Also Press TV have just started reporting there were casualties viz ‘breaking news’.
Trump is lying.
Gezzah
Yes, well after all if his lips are moving…or in this case his fingers, then odds on he’s lying.
Let me hazard a guess…all is NOT well!
Cheers
Col
Kia Ora Col…. All is definately not well for Trump and Pompeo The Puffadder…
SouthFront have just posted several new stories just tonight, one of which is making the claim of 80 United States personnel killed, and possibly 200 injured.
If this is true, its a fecken Flustercuck for Pompeo and the Orange One. It already was.
Very interestingly, Elijah Magnier has been tweeting that there will be No War on twitter.
He’s said that several times now.
I wouldn’t believe a word from Trump or the Presstitute empire groupies…
It is over for the US Empire.
The only way they can win over Iran is by going nuclear. I doubt the Russians and Chinese will allow that.
They wanted war but it looks like Israel and Saudi are getting cold feet realising that they will be a big part of any war. So much for Israeli bluster.
The Axis of Resistance has already stated- Nothing less than removal of US military from the region will be revenge for Suleimani.
To good to be true?We have one plane crash(and ukrainian…)and two,yes two earthquakes(including one near a civil nuclear central)
Iran was hit by two earthquakes on Wednesday, according to the USGS. One was 4.9-magnitude and registered at 2:20 GMT 10 kilometres from the Iranian city of Borazjan at a depth of around 10 kilometres. The tremors reportedly occurred not far from the Bushehr nuclear power plant.
The second earthquake, 4.5-magnitude, occurred an hour later at 3:19 GMT, with an epicentre located 17 kilometres from Borazjan.
And the Ukr plane ”crash”…lot of coincidences for one night no?
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202001081077973540-two-earthquakes-of-more-than-45-magnitude-occur-near-bushehr-npp-in-iran—usgs/
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-boeing-737-180-board-crashes-after-takeoff-iran
Iranian State TV Says 80 People Killed in Missile Airstrikes on US Military Targets in Iraq – Reports
Iranian state TV reportedly said the US military death toll has reached 80 following Tehran’s airstrikes. It was also reported that American helicopters and military equipment were “severely damaged” by 15 Iranian missiles.
None of the projectiles were allegedly intercepted, according to the media.
Washington has not commented on the information yet.
nb:80 people does not mean for sur they are american or allies forces
Live news feed
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202001081077971856-live-updates-iran-launches-missile-strike-on-us-forces-in-iraq/
yeah – Trump’s gone to bed with a headache
Ann
And he will wake up with a much bigger one…[headache]!
YCHMTSU
Col
Yes, coincidence. For example there was a 5.5 magnitude 78km SW of Taybad on the 2.1.2020. That was 1 Day before the murder of Soleimani. But also one day after New Years Eve. Things happen, other things happen simultaneously.
One should not indulge in needless complications and baseless assumptions.
Tweets Suggest US-Iran Conflict Deescalating After Tuesday’s Attacks
https://news.antiwar.com/2020/01/07/tweets-suggest-us-iran-conflict-deescalating-after-tuesdays-attacks/
Hitting Israel is not the end of the empire. I think its the opposite. Hitting Israel is equivalent to someone hitting your younger brother in order to get back at you. This is a sign of weakness in that it shows that Iran will not hit back just as hard when hit and all of that vengeance they promised didn’t amount to anything. I’m saying this of course if Iran’s response to having they’re #2 man killed was firing some missiles on a US Base in Iraq.
Iranian media claims 80 killed in missile attacks on US basis in Iraq.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/595295-iranian-media-claims-80-killed-in-missile-attacks-on-us-basis-in-iraq
Iran TV shows missiles apparently fired at US al-Asad air base in Iraq
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Uytov5jQk
Trump once visited Iraq base attacked by Iran missiles: what we know
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/07/u-s-military-bases-attacked-iranian-missiles-what-we-know/2838092001/
There is no such thing as a bad coincidence. The airline crash is bad for Iran and good for its rivals. Perhaps the reason for the downing will be discovered to be unrelated to the military crisis, but I would assume that it will result in Iranian airspace being free of commercial flights, which would remove any cover for military craft.. Ukraine is infested of Zionists
Fars news claims 20 US soldiers dead and 200 wounded.
https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981017000583
What no one seems to be mentioning is that the US bases were unable to defend themselves.
So far, it looks like NONE of the missiles were intercepted.
This makes EVERY US base in the region vulnerable.
It is entirely in the hands of Iran how many US casualties it wants to create.
@ jiri
This may also be due to the long-term learned behaviour of the US and UK forces of occupation.
They have complete air-superiority and have not faced any serious threats beyond a few mortar rounds or an occasional rogue unguided Katusha rocket.
because they control the airspace they have become arrogant and over-confident, believing that they are somehow ‘untouchable’ by anything heavy, or at least that no nation would dare fire something as heavy as a balistic missile at one of thier ‘Soverign bases’ and ‘sacred’ US / UK forces.
Arrogance leads to sloppy and lazy soldiering (and air defence). It could simply be that the US had thier eyes open for mortars, Katushas, and snipers, and never saw a ballistic missile attack coming.
The psychological effect of the Iranian ballistic missile attack on US bases – regardless of lack of casualties – should not be underestimated.
The US psyche has been wounded.
This is the first time the US has faced a serious threat in thier ‘safe spaces’ and they have been shown that all of thier facilities and expensive toys are highly vulnerable.
The most important issue now is for the US and UK to be prevented from reinforcing thier positions and resupplying. Reinforcement and resupply prevention (deniel of logistical support) should now be a top military priority for both Iran and Iraq.
The predictable false flag with the downing of the flight to Ukraine is already in place.
Just like MH17, which was reported on recently, hard to find the truth until it is too late: see latest doc on MH17 by whistleblower from Ukarine Security Services
https://theduran.com/ukranian-whistleblower-reveals-mh-17-tragedy-was-orchestrated-by-poroshenko-and-british-secret-service/
Did Israel take up the invitation by the US to go this far by ensuring escalation. Seems to me an unavoidable consequence, so we can expect more trouble.
I have noticed that some interesting speculation has begun appearing on some ‘fringe’ websites regarding the crashed / downed Ukranian Airlines flight out of Tehran (which took off at at a highly unsual time). Some of the speculation is very interesting to conspiratorial types – such as myself.
The current leading / trending thought and consensus –
Too many a ‘coincidences’ to be a ‘coincidence’, most notably the timing of the Ukrainian airline crash (and fact it was a Ukrainian flight leaving Iran on eve of Iranian missile strikes).
Other trending hypotheses –
1) Key MOSSAD / CIA personnel were on that flight and fleeing Tehran to Kiev. The plane was taken down by Iranian actions as part of Irans attack on US bases housing CIA units responsible for flying ‘that’ drone.
2) The plane was taken down not by Iranian actions but by CIA / MOSSAD actions.
3) The plane was taken down by a US missile (AA or ABM, or possibly even a MANPAD). Reasons suggested for the latter is that the Ukrainian plane was carrying Iranian Spec Ops / Agents / Hezbollah for an operation in Europe, or the plane was transporting a special cargo.
My personal thoughts, for what they are worth, is that the plane crash is indeed beyond reasonable coincidence, particularly given the timing, the flight plan, and carriers nationality.
If it was indeed targeted by ‘someone’, well, I have no idea, but plan to trawl the web for suggestions.
As with all suspicious aircrashes, the careful study of the passenger list (and pre-boarding camera footage) may reveal more information than the study of the wreckage.
It is certainly something for people to keep an eye on and not allow to be buried under the news of the missile strikes.
Why is no one wondering why Trump is suddenly so measured in his language and the DoD is so silent. A morning speech? “All is well”? Did it didn’t troops die in the missile attack?
Dusk begins in a few hours in Iran and that’s when modern US military operations have to start as basic protocol.
Maybe the Western Hemisphere is asleep in bed right now?
There hasn’t been enough time for a US response, not until after the first dusk passes.
Methinks there will be no talk of airplane crashes after tomorrow.
UK press beginning to report nationalities of people killed in Ukrainian Plane crash in Iran. Apparently x3 British on board. There may also be US citizens ‘misnamed’ as Canadian. x76 Canadian killed.
Story developing. Need to see passenger this as this could be THE big story, not the missile strikes.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Well… a Boeing airliner, being operated by Ukrainians?
I certainly wouldn’t go anywhere near it.
Only theory I can think of in regards to the Ukrainian plane being downed in Tehran is it was intentional by the Americans or some rogue American ally to send a ground team to *investigate* the crash but rather investigate the local air defence capabilities in Tehran..i can imagine there being air defenses not far from the airport. Another interesting thing on the earthquake..there is a popular video game called battlefield 3 and on the campaign Iran is ravaged by a earth quake followed by a u.s ground and air invasion..
There’s no way there was CIA, Mossad or Iranian intelligence on the crashed plane, for the simple reason it was a 737 MAX, which is a notorious piece of crap. No self-respecting spy or high-ranking saboteur would be caught dead on one.
Most likely the plane was filled with civilians :(
But Ukraine ? That’s a strange coincidence.
Wrong. PS752 was a 737-800, not a 737 MAX.
I found two sources citing Ukrainian sources, which list citizens by country. First one cites Ukrainian portal Страна.ua (sums up to 180 people on board), the second one cites foreign Ministry of Ukraine (sums up to 173 people). No links to original provided.
Iran – 71
Canada -73
Ukraine – 2
Ukrainian crew – 13 people
Sweden – 8
Afghanistan – 6
Germany – 4
UK – 3
Iran – 82
Canada – 63
Ukraine – 11 (9 crew members)
Sweden – 10
Afghanistan – 4
Germany and the UK – 3
A plane full of rats, escaping the ship……………..
If the information of 80 dead and 200 injured is true (which I doubt) it is impossible for the Americans to find that proportionate. If there is no US retaliation, there are no or very few victims. This would mean that the Iranians warned the US of the attack. Wait and see!
Wondering how you can possibly know that exactly or around 80 have been killed if you shoot some rockets into an airbase.
Unless they have very good reconnaiscance personnel in the middle of the military hospital, who then communicate in due course, fresh from the surgery room.
What is the track record of official Iranian news agencies, anyway?
Guess it’s not much better than CNN
Here is the most probable explanation: the American bases in Iraq completely emptied to allow the Iranian strike; Proof : https://twitter.com/LastDef/status/1214519725323145216
Dear Saker
I think this is the confirmation of the above. Hezbollah has assured the same.
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Hezbollah-will-attack-Israel-if-US-responds-to-Iran-attack-613482?fbclid=IwAR35ocIvvcZuFwDgzpAYdSKTn-RPEIqUKMiRdNl05LTR-sx2kGt_3WRKdKE
Oh, Lord have mercy on us…
RT TV in the last hour reported 80 killed, 200 wounded.
PressTV reported the same thing earlier, even saying it was all American deaths. But they have since backed off that report.
Other outlets claiming Iran state TV indicated 80 killed, some saying they were all Americans.
Beyond the strictly military strategic analysis, there is a preponderant fact that we have to face. The funeral of the Martyrs catalyzed a crowd dynamic that is quite decisive. This did not happen as part of a propaganda campaign that wanted to achieve this goal. But as a spontaneous reaction in 3 big countries, 3 old cultures, Iran, Iraq, Syria, totaling 150 million inhabitants. The Iranians understood this when they raised the red flag on the holy mosque of Qom. Such an event does not happen once in a century. Since 1948, Arabs and Muslims have been beaten relentlessly by the Anglo-Zionists. The daily humiliation of Palestine, the humiliation of the Muslims who die in large numbers in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya under the blows of the Anglo-Zionists, are suddenly compounded in an unprecedented crowd movement. The Iranian leaders and Hassan Nasrallah understand this as a divine gift. They are not going to waste it. For them the time has come for the liberation of Al Aqsa.
American soldiers will be driven out of Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. If the Americans want to avoid this, they must immediately withdraw from Iraq and lift the sanctions unconditionally. Neither the IDF nor the US army is ready for all-out war in the region. The Anglo-Zionists don’t have enough troops on the ground to only defend their positions without escalating to nuclear bombs. The Iranians have understood this, they will target as a priority the key ground bases to obtain the collapse of the US system and the withdrawal, and perhaps not only in Iraq. They know this is a unique opportunity. They’re ready to pay the price.
An escalation with tactical nuclear weapons will spread crowd fusion throughout the Umnah, it will form a crowd from Pakistan to Dakar. The puppet regimes in the Gulf and the Seoud will be swept away unless they join the movement. A nuclear escalation by Israel will totally discredit this country. A new regime will emerge. Let us hope that God inspires them not to escalate to the nuclear level. Unfortunately we know that God is not the source of their inspiration.
The understanding of the meaning of the history by Hassan Nasrallah, who has already announced the liberation, is astonishing. The arrogance and stupidity of the Anglo-Zionists has led them into a perfect trap.
I don’t have the Saker’s skills, (be thanked for your commitment Andrei), but I believe that the probability of war is now over 90%.
Many lives will end in suffering, and many more will now live in suffering. The awareness of this is unbearable for me. My hands shake, tears make my vision blurred. May God have mercy on us.
Now it seems that the probability of war is 10%. It was a fake attack (or uncomplete), just a show of force to demonstrate to the Iranian people how strong is their army, and (try) to scare de americans (the US soldiers in Iraq, in fact, are scared, the polticians and Trump, probably not)
Saker,
With regards to Israël’s nuclear weapons, what role could they realistically play in case of an overt war between the axis of kindness and Iran?
Thanks in advance.
Mark
Iran is believed to have deliberately sought to avoid U.S. military casualties in missile strikes on bases in Iraq – U.S. and European government sources to @Reuters
SPIN
Sounds like this is how they are going to avoid retaliating – immediately, at least.
https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1214930610713714693
Shows precision strikes on Al Asad
Media is already preparing for our response to be “strength through peace” – at least on the NewsNow livestream I am watching in anticipation of Trump’s conference.
Live!! Trump statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dsxHjbHP1Y&feature=emb_logo
Kent
Trump asserted that Iraq should pay billons for the hi-tech airbase, if the US have to leave.
Iraq should now accept – paying only just a few bucks for the rubble and debris instead.
NURA KUSHTI or FAKE WRESTLING
The recent US Iran spat was nothing more than ‘nura kushti’.
To put it simply:
1. The Iranian Mullahs want to stay in power and,
2. The US military Industrial Complex Banking Cartel want to make money and keep their preeminent hold of the levers of power in the US and in general in the West.
A real US-Iran war has unthinkable consequences.
Iran has the largest missile stockpile in the region with a demonstrated range that can hit southern Europe. The mix of ballistic missiles is large and varied, from cruise missiles to the ones that can carry heavy payload.
In a real war certainly, Iranian assets, both military and economic will be hit but so will be hit the assets of all Saudi and GCC countries including Israel. Devastating damage will be inflicted on both Saudi Arabia, UAE and Israel.
The granddaddy of Iranian strike will be the closure of the Straits of Hurmuz.
Iran has military assets that can effectively close the Straits for a very long time.
The talking heads of CNN say that it will not affect the US, but it does and here is how:
More than 90% of China’s oil passes through this opening to the Arabian Sea. This will stop with devastating consequences for the Chinese economy. AS China is the USA’s heavy trading partner the China tsunami will hit the US economy. Japanese anemic economy will die.
EU oil, gas and trade passes through here and will stop. The EU economies will take a dive into deep depression and recovery is anybody’s guess. It may take generations before recovery.
The US stock market will dive below 50% and may come close to ZERO. Recovery from this calamity is impossible.
The entire world economy will be in depression.
These is a whole lot more, but these are enough to justify NURA KUSHTI rather than real war. Even a Moran with a few brain cells must understand the consequences.
Now, some will say Iran will be affected too. Yes, but when you are wet, another bucket of water poured on your head will not make you more wet.
All third world countries make do in a rigged global economic system. They will all do just fine.
It is the rich that will lose and suffer the most. The pain will be intolerable and perhaps will think about banning all wars.
Any war, for any reason, MUST become a war crime and punishable by enforceable international law.
All the nations of the world must participate in formulating such laws.
The infrastructure and institutions of forming such laws and enforcing exists.
Strait of Hormuz, or the Strait of Ormuz, channel linking the Persian Gulf (west) with the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea (southeast).
The strait is 35 to 60 miles (55 to 95 km) wide and separates Iran (north) from the Arabian Peninsula (south).
It contains the islands of Qeshm (Qishm), Hormuz, and Hengām (Henjām) and is of great strategic and economic importance, especially as oil tankers collecting from various ports on the Persian Gulf must pass through the strait.
Forty percent of the world’s oil supply passes through the strait, including about one-third of all seaborne trade.
The strait also is important for the supply of liquefied natural gas (LNG), accounting for one-third of all LNG trade.
On the north coast lies Iran, and on the south coast the United Arab Emirates and Musandam, an exclave of Oman. The strait is about 90 nautical miles (167 km) long, with a width varying from about 52 nautical miles (96 km) to 21 nautical miles (39 km).
To reduce the risk of collision, ships moving through the Strait follow a Traffic Separation Scheme (TSS):
>>inbound ships use one lane,
>>outbound ships another,
>>each lane being two miles wide.
>>The lanes are separated by a two-mile-wide “median”.
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>>>>To traverse the Strait, ships pass through the territorial waters of Iran and Oman under the transit passage provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
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Although not all countries have ratified the convention, most countries, including the U.S., accept these customary navigation rules as codified in the Convention.
In April 1959 Iran altered the legal status of the strait by expanding its territorial sea to 12 nautical miles (22 km) and declaring that it would recognize only transit by innocent passage through the newly expanded area.
>>>>In July 1972, Oman also expanded its territorial sea to 12 nautical miles (22 km) by decree. Thus, by mid-1972, the Strait of Hormuz was completely “closed” by the combined territorial waters of Iran and Oman.
During the 1970s, neither Iran nor Oman attempted to impede the passage of warships through the strait, but in the 1980s, both countries asserted claims that were different from customary (old) law.
Upon ratifying UNCLOS in August 1989, Oman submitted declarations confirming its 1981 royal decree that only innocent passage is permitted through its territorial sea.
The declarations further asserted that prior permission was required before foreign warships could pass through Omani territorial waters.
Upon signing the convention in December 1982, Iran entered a declaration stating “that only states parties to the Law of the Sea Convention shall be entitled to benefit from the contractual rights created therein”, including “the right of transit passage through straits used for international navigation”.
In May 1993, Iran enacted a comprehensive law on maritime areas, several provisions of which conflict with UNCLOS provisions, including a requirement that warships, submarines, and nuclear-powered ships obtain permission before exercising innocent passage through Iran’s territorial waters. The United States does not recognize any of the claims by Oman and Iran and has contested each of them.
Oman has a radar site Link Quality Indicator (LQI) to monitor the TSS in the Strait of Hormuz. This site is on a small island on the peak of Musandam Governorate.