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This thing with the plane is a distraction . It also shows how far the enemy is prepared to go to achieve their objectives. Things of infinitely higher degree of insanity, that will follow this one, should also be expected. The craziest things are not only possible, but absolutely will happen and Novorossyia should be 100% ready. Moreover, none of this is new!
If the people of Donbass are going to allow the enemy to set and dictate conditions (which is what this plane crash was designed to do) then the outcome would be undesirable and perhaps even deadly.
Right now, all I want to hear is some news about the actual fighting, preferably the one in which the Ukie Nazis are getting exactly what they deserve- death.
This written by ‘Brabantian’ – Text summary of points in Alexander Borodai interview 19 July 2014
Borodai angry at delay in experts not arriving, feels it as scheme to let evidence decay, be destroyed, make Novorossiya look bad … possible shelling might hit evidence and destroy it altogether
OSCE & international community asks strongly not to disturb bodies … Novorossiya complying, leaving bodies where they are, inside houses where they fell, across 10 sq kilometres, bodies decomposing rapidly in 30 degree heat, some getting moved and nibbled on by foxes and feral dogs … terrible situation via delay seems scheme by international community
OSCE observers just observing, observing that nothing is happening … air crash and coroner specialists who can investigate, do something with bodies, not arriving … int’l expert team of 81 experts delaying arrival to next day, perhaps later … it takes 4-5 hours to get here, why are they not coming?
Ongoing discussions via video to Kiev expert co-ordinators, always more points to delay, experts claiming not satisfied with security arrangements … in touch with Leonid Kuchma organising group of experts in Kiev … Kiev not offering humanitarian corridor or ceasefire … Novorossiya cannot cease fire because Ukrainians are not ceasing fire
Possibly Novorossiya might start own investigation as delays extend
Black boxes not discovered, no bodies moved as far as Borodai knows, many bodies fragmented
Though documents have been collected by Novorossiya prosecutors
Question of shots heard as OSCE visited, Was it to warn off OSCE from certain areas? Borodai replies “Yes you can usually hear shots in a war zone” – No attempt to limit OSCE just to provide for security
Novorossiya could not have shot plane down at 10,600 metres “Ukrainians shot down the plane” Borodai doesn’t know if it was anti-aircraft or fighter plane
When truth comes out Ukrainian side will “look very pale”
Novorossiya never had a BUK system – if had one would use it against Ukraine aircraft, Novorossiya manpad etc range is 3000 metres height
Major Ukrainian media disinfo campaign, won’t respond to every lie out there
Won’t answer whether in contact with Russia
Not much fighting in area of crash, thankfully, but strong fighting elsewhere
Ready to accomodate relatives of crash victims if they come to Donetsk, though difficult
Novorossiya does not want to take control of bodies, very difficult – maybe Russia can help? – If asked, bodies would be taken to Mariupol, but that area not safe for relatives
– Brabantian
Very competent political man, this Boroday.
Made clear the chicanery that will be spread throughout and all over the “investigation” and “reports” of the “international experts”.
Of course, it will turn into ambiguous shit to cover the traces and clues that point to the culprits.
Covering up a plane shoot down is small potatoes compared to presidential assassinations, lone assassin events, MLK Jr’s demise and the panoply of disgusting Hegemonic caused wars and conflicts.
We hear the bellowing of the British, Dutch and Aussie leaders, but then see the flowers and candles the locals put at the scene. The reality is when the entire mosaic is assembled, the actions of the good will be clear, and the actions of evil will make everyone retch.
Boroday made it clear that air-to-air is a strong possibility.
Of course, this press conference is to be seen nowhere but here.
So the cacophony of accusations and slander continues all weekend. Four days of propaganda. It would give Joe Goebbels a woodie to think of the power over empty minds that the West has and uses.
Yet, all that really matters is the war. Russia must win, the militia is not doing well again, the cities are in jeopardy under endless artillery and renewed and strengthened aerial bombardment.
Reports of huge government losses don’t mean ‘squat’ since they have thousands more to send into battle. The militia needs more men and vehicles or a vast improvement in anti-air missiles and long range artillery of their own.
Can they trap another large group that is splitting them near Lugansk? Will they be able to eliminate all elements they already had trapped?
It sounds like the battlefield has changed significantly in four days. It’s not just the air crash of MH-17. They didn’t destroy all the Ukie forces they had cornered and pinned.
I”ve read everything I can find and not a single good event in four days. They have lost the initiative and advantages again.
So the death of 289 people is functioning as a Trojan Horse?
How pervert this Nazi’s.
I’m wondering how many people are seeing through this war-political manoeuvrings of the VS and the Main Stream Media, their closely connected?
Saker,
When you post a video, in the label area post the YouTube url link so we have that for iPads. I mostly am on a Mac, but the iPad issue must be widespread and the url listing in the label area would be excellent to resolve the issue.
Thanks.
Anonymous wrote:
“Right now, all I want to hear is some news about the actual fighting, preferably the one in which the Ukie Nazis are getting exactly what they deserve- death.”
Ditto above — particularly as it would be something positive to offset so many dismaying reports of the Nazis shelling civilian areas, and photos and videos of the results.
Though it’s computer-translated, here’s at least something, which also includes four maps:
Summary of military events in Novorossia for 19.07.2014
Pathetic- just pathetic. The rebels think if they act like ‘good little children’, and bend over backwards to please the war mongers of the West, and their representatives, they’ll win some kind of ‘reward’. Well ask the Palestinians exactly how well this strategy is working out for them.
The West dresses in suits, and has a ‘civilised’ front for one reason and one reason only- to wrong foot their enemies into aping such behaviour, while the West, beneath the covers, engages in the dirtiest and most evil methods imaginable.
To fight the West, you need to call the West out. Obama ordered this airliner destroyed, to create a false flag. This particular false flag is a MIRV. Multiple warheads designed to strike multiple targets.
1) to push the Holocaust of Gaza out of the news
2) to force the rebels to humiliate themselves by agreeing the deaths of the airliner are more important than the deaths of Novorussians butchered by Kiev.
3) to enable the zionist controlled mainstream media to demonise Russia and the rebels.
4) to wrong-foot the rebels, so they lose the will to fight full-bloodedly against the neo-Nazis
5) to force supporters of Novorussia to waste their time arguing about details of the false flag, rather that focusing on fighting the neo-Nazis.
Obama and Ukraine butchered 300 Humans, so the aftermath is their responsibility. Russia and the rebels should loudly state this fact, then get back on with the job of fighting NATO’s proxy death squads.
Sadly, the idiot rebels think they have something to gain by being ‘civilised’ and ‘servile’ and ‘compliant’. As if they are being ‘scored’ by some divine force who will conclude “yes, you rebels are clearly the good guys, so have a free victory on me”.
In reality, what will happen is this. Whatever the rebels do, the zionist journalists will spin the act as a clear sign of guilt and evil. And as the zionist media does this, the more the rebels will crawl on their knees convinced that at some point, the media will give them a break.
So far this false flag has been a stunning success for Team Obama. And some of you here wonder why false flags are used.
Well, I’m eight minutes into this and not sure I can tolerate another nanosecond.
To state this as neutrally as possible, how the hell long does it usually take for experts to arrive at the scene of a plane crash? The very first thought in my mind when that plane went down was, “O boy, Resistance logistics just got jammed”, followed immediately by, “What a perfect way to get whomever we need to finish things off.”
This whole thing stinks far worse than those bodies. The only hope is that its stench will become so great that no one will be able to call it the Flowering of Democracy without risk to their position, if not possessions and/or person.
okay, okay, I’ll dive in again now, but I sure don’t expect any bright side of this.
Interview with Lavrov (in Russian):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy0RPWK_5wg
Interessting fact from a Wall-Street-Journal article:
“Ukraine intelligence officials said they knew three days before the downing of Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -11.11% Flight 17 that rebels in the east of the country possessed sophisticated air-defense systems capable of felling a jetliner at altitudes in excess of where the Boeing BA +1.40% 777 was flying.
The disclosure deepens the mystery of why Ukrainian aviation officials failed to entirely close off the airspace in the Donetsk region, where the jet was flying went it was shot down, killing all 298 people on board.”
http://online.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-knew-of-separatists-air-defense-capabilities-say-officials-1405781508
I would like to make a comment just about Borodai’s behavior.
If he isn’t aware of it some of his f*cking advisers should’ve told him that it is highly inappropriate to smile before, during and after such a press conference.
This is highly unprofessional and will give another thing for west to hate. Are DNR representatives nuts?
Fwd from Canuckistan:
There seems to be a serious disconnect between the facts from the ground being reported via the MSM and what is being repeated by the studios via the MSM.
CBC reports that there was no issue getting to the scene of the wreckage nor are there any troops near the rail station. Yet the studio version, in the same segment, contradicts both observations.
It may be usefull if there are some technically able citizen jornalists that may be able to screen capture and/or the on-air broadcast for dissemination and distribution.
Simply put, the MSM cannot be allowed to contradict themselves in order to spin the context later in the day/evening at the whim of their masters.
This is surely a daunting and time consuming task, but it must be done efficiently and effectively in order to hold all sides accountable, ASAP.
good English translation:
Situation in Donbass – Evening of 07/19
Also, from same source, Mozgovoi on fighting under Lisichansk, entire (bolds are mine):
Today they continued to fire at the refinery… a large group of armor was stopped on its frontiers. A tank, an IFV, and two trucks with ammunition packages for the “GRAD” vehicle were destroyed…
For Ukrainian army this is minor losses, about which they won’t even speak. As for us, we lost as many guys today as ever. The fighters didn’t retreat a step from their fortified point! They stood to the last, but didn’t let the tank convoy in. With the kind of weapons we have… they were only left to perish. Out of ten RPGs only three worked!!! There’s nothing else we can oppose to tanks!
Where are those convoys that go into Luhansk, into Donetsk??? Where’s that artillery, about which they so joyfully write on the internet??? Where are those tanks, videos of which litter the spaces of internet communities??? Where is all of this? Whose asses are protected by all this equipment???
Today I lost almost a whole platoon… the guys were simply crushed by tanks. We couldn’t even collect the bodies, and the wounded – they were finished off by the national guardsmen. After this I am myself half dead. But I swear! If I will survive, I will force to stand on their knees those who PR on this conflict and build their political future! I will force suffering on those who makes their living on the lives of guys who perish for truth!!!
MOZGOVOI ALEXEI
This goes to the question of insufficient aid in heavy armor, about which Strelkov wrote numerously.
Of course even now there will be idiots who will start a plaintive song about “Mozgovoi is sad”, but a fact is a fact, the gap in heavy weapons between the junta and the militia remains huge. The militia are unable to cover all directions with anti-tank means, tanks, and artillery.
Unbelievable the dithering of the international community while at the same time spewing vicious bile about the militia forces. Rush to judgement while delaying the investigation – and indeed, where is the MSM reporting on this?
I have to say that after listening to this interview 100% the militia did not shoot down the plane. These people have nothing to hide and have simply been put over a barrel. I can’t remember the exact quote – something like “perhaps Kiev is causing delay because they don’t want proper investigation. Should the truth come out they will be looking very pale.” Exactly.
How can someone like Borodai be so naive: “patiently” waiting for the trojan horses (i.e.OSZE,Red Cross) to arrive and doing the bidding of their masters.how can these guys expect to succeed on the war front with such leaders.Utterly frustrating to watch this interview. No wonder that they are on the defensive again.
Anonymous said…20 July, 2014 15:50
Are you really on the right site, but stupid?
Wars are won by Public Relation – as you mention yourself.
But still we should present our self as bullies… in the media???
Just a reminder on the role and function of such investigations for those that have forgotten:
When the Syrian government was being accused of conducting gas attacks, they requested and waited months for an international investigation. The western specialists’ countries ‘delayed’ their investigating team’s arrival until they had set up yet another ‘incident’ – it too, in a neutral zone. The results?
1) The investigators never did get to the original three sites. 2)Investigators only went to the ‘current incident site’ for two brief visits.
3)They first delayed two full days under direct orders from their western leaders, but blamed the Syrian government for the delay.
4)The Syrian government offered a ceasefire in the area, offered security, but were instead blamed with destroying evidence. Western-backed rebels snipers shot at the investigators and the Syrian government was again blamed.
5)They were escorted and guided to the places they could ‘investigate’ by the pro-western forces that committed the atrocity.
6)They only gathered a handful of samples.
7)They interviewed none of the actual survivors and eyewitnesses.
8)Before any testing was done the head of the mission declared it looked like the government was responsible.
On the basis of this now proven wrong conclusion the US was insistent to launch a limited bombing campaign that included every military facility, every civic building, every school hospital, bridge, power plant, water plant, etc in the entire country.
Novorussia, please be warned!
1517Sadly, Western media blames Novorossiya for delays in letting crash teams reach site.
It is a distraction, ignore it. This will not change minds. It will be a long war, just do not let this weaken your resolve.
Upon reflecting a little more I am beginning to think that this whole affair was planned and executed by Kiev alone and was sold to their allies who were credulous enough to believe. Odessa was home grown terror and I think this may be too. Desperate people will do desperate things. The Americans seem to have based their conclusion on the launch location and the youtube ‘evidence’ provided by Kiev – but who controls what territory is not really clear and they would have to rely on Kiev for verification. I think Kiev has taken its allies for a ride off the deep end and they may well be found out.
Why is it the BRICS do not have their own ‘international’ investigative unit? How many times must Russia and china and their friends be burned before they make a credible alternative?
Anonymous said…
This written by ‘Brabantian’ – Text summary of points in Alexander Borodai interview 19 July 2014
Borodai angry at delay in experts not arriving, feels it as scheme to let evidence decay, be destroyed, make Novorossiya look bad … possible shelling might hit evidence and destroy it altogether
OSCE & international community asks strongly not to disturb bodies … Novorossiya complying, leaving bodies where they are, inside houses where they fell, across 10 sq kilometres, bodies decomposing rapidly in 30 degree heat …
At this page on the BBC news site we read:
The remains of up to 196 people from the MH17 crash in Ukraine have been loaded on to refrigerated rail wagons, to be taken to an unknown destination. …
The freight train with its five sealed wagons has been standing at Torez railway station, 15km (nine miles) from the crash site.
The carriages, with heavy closed doors, look like refrigeration units and there is the occasional smell normally associated with dead bodies, the BBC’s Richard Galpin reports from Torez.
So we see Borodai angrily complaining about having to leave bodies to rot in the heat because the international aviation experts have not yet arrived to begin their examination, and the BBC reports that “up to 196 [bodies of] people” have been loaded into rail wagons. Apparently more blatant lying from the BBC. The BBC article appears to be crude propaganda.
This media whore Richard Galpin apparently arrived at Torez railway station, saw a freight wagon, took a picture of it (shown on the BBC page) and fabricated his ‘report’. Nothing that the BBC says can be believed.
What stroke me as a Dutchman was that not once did Borodai mention my country or my countrymen, despite we having most victims and our leaders claiming that they want to send many experts.
On the other hand those 60 Malaysian experts strike me as a very high number, so I wondered if some of them are actually Dutch.
at 26:00 into the video, the question about BUK system comes up.
Borodai replies that the BUK system or any part of it are not in their possesion, nor have they ever been. All the stories about them are just propaganda.
I believe him.
Though he can only speak for Donetsk and will not speak out of place for Luhansk, I feel the same applies to them.
OSCE is. Anglo spy agency and Putin has allowed that liar organisation to have all the say?
Putin is a coward who Backstabbed her own people to please his Anglo enemies.
Wim Roffel
In his own way he gave the Dutch and all the victims the highest honor. Humanity. He treated the dead with the highest respect.
All he knows of Kiev and the 81 experts is they are being indoctrinated in the meme for them when they come to investigate.
They will not honor anything good, anything proper. They will rip the locals. That’s their career on the line. So they doing what is best for their career as experts.
Borodai was open, honest and forthright. Why had not the press questioned the clowns waiting in Kiev for two days and then two days more?
What plane crash anywhere has taken 5 days for experts to get on the scene?
Save your sensitive criticism for your political leaders.
Borodai said clearly in not uncertain terms that the militia was doing its best to take care of humanity’s needs, the live relatives and the dead remains.
Start screaming at the bozos who don’t have the balls to stand up and be counted and get their own sorry asses to the scene of the crash. 81 of them have to wait? For what? They should have been on the scene in no more than 24 hours.
Spare us the national stuff. It was an international flight with people from many nations. The Dutch have a lot of explaining to do for a cargo full of cadavers, blood and drugs and who knows what the hell else they were up to in Amsterdam.
And now your biggest daily newspaper wants NATO to go in to “guard” the scene.
Yeah, sure, 25 miles from Russia. Will the Soldiers of Orange try a little of Ivan on next to Russian’s borders? I think not. But the Dutch talk big. They hide behind the Hegemon, talk big and bring nothing but death and mischief around the globe.
An empire of its own that won’t ever change.
I am really as tired of old Euro empires as I am of my own government’s evil Empire.
Hopefully, the Ukrainians won’t have to wait for the Red Cross for as long as Sandy Hook victims had to wait…
Why does the US conceal the satellite images it has?
QUOTE: “What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.
The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.”
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/
les,
You are raising some excellent points! Of course, and thank you for catching that! It’s almost an instant replay in some ways, isn’t it, and where not, it appears to be tailor-made to blame Russia, strain Resistance manpower, get more Empire boots on the ground well-camouflaged as experts, family members or whatever, and divert the world gaze from Gaza. And the degree of “investigation” done by this new swarm of “investigators” in the RT video appeared to involve walking around en masse, glancing here or there and occasionally taking a cell phone snapshot. I.e., unworthy of even a very bad movie.
Meanwhile, does anyone know for sure if there is a difference in the distribution of charred vs. intact… whatever, including the surface upon which everything lands (dry grass in this case), depending on whether the cause was a bomb, a ground-to-air missile or an air-to-air missile? Also, has anyone located a complete passenger manifest, and/or located all the relatives? With those dodgy passports and all the rumors flying, including that the Thursday flight might have been cancelled and all passengers bumped to Friday, as well as all the other suspicious circumstances here, the null hypothesis or governing assumption here should be false flag until conclusively proven otherwise with very high levels of confidence and significance required to successfully dispute it in any way whatsoever. (yeah, yeah, I know you can lie with statistics but let’s at least make it as difficult as possible, dammit.)
Meanwhile, does anyone know for sure if there is a difference in the distribution of charred vs. intact… whatever, including the surface upon which everything lands (dry grass in this case), depending on whether the cause was a bomb, a ground-to-air missile or an air-to-air missile? Also, has anyone located a complete passenger manifest, and/or located all the relatives? With those dodgy passports and all the rumors flying, including that the Thursday flight might have been cancelled and all passengers bumped to Friday, as well as all the other suspicious circumstances here smelling far worse than those bodies, the null hypothesis or governing assumption here should be false flag with very high levels of confidence and significance required for any data that might reject any part of it in any way whatsoever. (yeah, yeah, I know you can lie with statistics but let’s at least make it as difficult as possible, dammit.)
I started watching this but the video quality is such crap that I gave up and read the transcript only.
Next time, I hope somebody can at least get a camera on a tripod and decent sound.
Anonymous 23:09
There’s a 4K HD version at IMAX theatre. Excellent quality and you can get popcorn with it.
@Anonymous:I started watching this but the video quality is such crap
Well, geez, I guess I am so sorry that the video did not match your standards of quality. But what did you expect? CNN? From the guys who shot the video, to those who translated it, to yours truly who posted it we are all volunteers who do that on our free time. How much does a camera with a decent sound and video cost? How about a tripod? You want to donate that money? No? Then go right back to watching CNN. Yes? They HELP us instead of just whining about the bad video quality.
Next time, will also also demand a beer and some chips?
Honestly, comments like these make me despair in my fellow human beings….
The Saker
Welcome back, Saker! I do hope you’re feeling rested and better — this looks like it’s going to be a long, long haul.
Can someone please post a transcript of the interview?
“Well, geez, I guess I am so sorry that the video did not match your standards of quality.”
Saker, I understand there’s a lot of work going into this. The “standards of quality” are not mine. They are defined by millions of hours of existing journalistic media, and I’m not talking about CNN. Asking for a tripod is not asking for HD-resolution, airbrushed CNN-style production values.
You’ve said it yourself a number of times: this is an information war. My reaction: I agree, and would add this means the opposition absolutely must start doing a better job of fighting this war. This begins with simple stuff like using a tripod.
I appreciate the volunteer work going into this, I just wish that the volunteers had material that could be used to persuade many more people who aren’t already persuaded. Right now, I don’t see that happening.
Thank you John 97205. It is sad to know the situation, but lets hope at least something can be done, they have what they need.
Saker,
It seems that RF still only re-act, not pro-act. What is the deal? Why is the in-efficiency? No pros in charge? want to lose the fight? a Sell out? I can excuse them first or second time, first or send week, maybe even first or second month, but this has been a long time. Why RF still not getting its act together?
Anonymous 00:37
You sounds like you live in the wonderland. Did you just landed from the planet Mars?? “It is a war zone”!!! if you haven’t figured out from another videos.
All of the materials are made by the hero amateurs because professionals are hauling a big money what you will never find at the war zone field.
But now, you can think about how to improve this situation by organizing some donation action and maybe it will be successful in the future.
The Final Moments of Flight MH-17: The Russian Side of the Story
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-18/final-moments-flight-mh-17-russian-side-story
“In brief the plot thickens, and all that matters now is whose propaganda, read media outlets, will be more persuasive although in reality even that is moot: in the echo chambers of ideology, most people already have their mind made up as to ‘who’ the shooter was.“
When (if) is Novorussia going to start with IED (improvised explosive devices) factories similar to how they are doing in Syria, Iraq etc. and start blowing up those tanks/armored vehicles?
I read about Strelkov stating that total mobilizations has no point now because there is no enough weapon available to arm all conscripts.
How about giving all those men (and women) shovels and construction vehicles and start digging tranches and underground protection rooms everywhere? Why not going underground … literally? Putting IED’s on every road etc.
Three months after war began and they still have almost totally unprepared infrastructure judging by the videos shown in different channels. For this they don’t need any resources and don’t depend on Russia. Where is that famous partisan experience from WW2?
Zerohedge Article on Russian Ministry of Defense presentation on MH17 downing.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1#comment-4983146
Seems like they are really doubling down on their position. All sorts of information is being released from military sources in Russia.
Can someone track down the original MOD presentation and post a link?
In Syria terrorist are constantly digging holes to be able to come close to and blow up buildings, compounds etc.
If rebels started digging in the beginning of the siege of the airports they would be able to blow it up by now (of course in parallel preparing chemicals for IED’s).
Donbass is miners heaven with experienced people and a lot of equipment.
Am I the only one confused with inaction and luck of fantasy?
Or is it so that they really don’t have solid support among Donbass people?