by George Eliason for The Saker Blog
When the Vindman story broke last week, we were pathetically reminded that there is a conspiracy against Ukraine and the Diaspora in America. Conspiracy theorists labeled the Ukrainian government integral nationalists plotting against the current President of the United States even before the final ballots were tallied 2016.
Although this article will contain many of the elements of the still-developing Vindman story that have been reported on, the focus shifts over to the bigger question- Why? I propose we take a walk into the back of Vindman’s mind, which easier done than said. As will be shown, this in part is due to the fact that his thought pattern about Ukraine is reflexive.
There is no need to question his military service before this juncture because it posed no conflict for him. Although the US Army is backing his right as a whistleblower now, his motivations in this situation could end up with Vindman receiving a court-martial. It’s all about his motivation.
Alexander Vindman’s ties to Ukraine should have made him disclose a few large conflicts of interest before being assigned in the capacity he has.
- Vindman had business interests in Ukraine which would suffer if the relationship between both countries was jeopardized.
- Was it Vindman’s American patriotism or Diaspora nationalism that led him to share the Oval Office transcript with Ukraine’s president?
According to the Gateway Pundit, “Colonel Vindman may have violated the federal leaking statute 18 USC 798 when he leaked the president’s classified call to several other operatives.”
- Anton Gerashchenko, Ukraine’s Deputy Interior Minister threatened president-elect Donald Trump that he would put him on his Myrotvorets “Peacemaker” site as a target. This is Ukraine’s clearinghouse for hit-for-hire bounties. Because it was heavily publicized, Gerashchenko edited the post after the fact.
As the in-house expert, Vindman would have known this and yet he still conducted himself in the service of Ukraine. In Vindman’s world view it must be acceptable behavior for a foreign government official to threaten his own country’s Commander-in-Chief.
What are his motivations? In his own words, Vindman lays out his priorities.
- I was concerned by the call,” Vindman said, according to his testimony obtained by the Associated Press. “I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine.”-Vindman
“I want to be clear, I was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed,” former NSC Senior Director for European Affairs Tim Morrison testified today.
Vindman’s real concern is the implications of US foreign policy toward Ukraine and keeping it on track with what he thought it should be. I’m sure every Lt Colonel that has a concern intercedes in foreign policy everywhere across the US army.
- “In this situation, a strong and independent Ukraine is critical to U. S. national security interests because Ukraine is a frontline state and a bulwark against Russian aggression. In spite of being under assault from Russia for more than five years, Ukraine has taken major steps towards integrating with the West.”… When I joined the NSC in July 2018, I began implementing the administration’s policy on Ukraine. In the Spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency. This narrative was harmful to U.S. government policy. While my interagency colleagues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic on Ukraine’s prospects, this alternative narrative undermined U.S. government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.-Vindman
“Once Ukraine determined that the RF (Russian Federation) was not going to attack and Russia was not a credible threat, they launched their Anti-Terrorist Operations against the rebels (p 65).” Russia’s Hybrid War in Ukraine: Breaking the Enemy’s Ability to Resist Finnish Institute of International Studies by András Rácz
What false narrative was Vindman talking about? It was the fact there was no Russian aggression, assaults or invasions going on. Where did this “false narrative” originate?
In 2014, Ukrainian-American Mark Paslawsky joined Ukraine’s Donbas battalion. He was the nephew of one of WWII’s most sadistic torturers, Mikola Lebed. Lebed was 3rd in the Bandera OUN command chain.
Paslawsky was reported to be an officer in the 75th Ranger Battalion during the 1990s which puts him on the same pedestal as Alexander Vindman in terms of patriotic duty in the US military.
The volunteer battalions like Ukraine’s Donbas are police and cleansing battalions. Paslawsky was true to his Ukrainian Diaspora upbringing and family heritage. As soon as it was opportune, he forgot about honor, service, and codes of conduct when he entered Ukraine.
Paslawsky is famous for torturing people he considered “Russian.” No excuses, no apologies, he tortured and murdered civilians. Paslawsky was a good Ukrainian nationalist.
By July 2014, one month before Paslawsky was killed, Oleg Dube, 2nd in command of the battalion complained on Twitter that the battalion was full of cowards shooting everything that moved and throwing grenades into the houses, cellars, and every structure killing everyone and everything they came across.
These were civilians they murdered. But Paslawsky, who tweeted his adventures under the handle “bruce springnote” made one thing abundantly clear- There were no Russian troops or invasion going on as of August 2, 2014.
This means Vindman’s tale saying there as five years of Russian aggression is getting sketchy.
- November 6th, 2015 In an interview with Gromadske.TV, Markian Lubkivsky, the adviser to the head of the SBU (the Ukrainian version of the CIA) stated there are NO RUSSIAN TROOPS ON UKRANIAN SOIL! This unexpected announcement came as he fumbled with reporters’ questions on the subject. According to his statement, he said the SBU counted about 5000 Russian nationals, but not Russian soldiers in Donetsk and Lugansk Peoples Republics.
- During a briefing with General Muzenko he announced that “To date, we have only the involvement of some members of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Russian citizens that are part of illegal armed groups involved in the fighting. We are not fighting with the regular Russian Army. We have enough forces and means in order to inflict a final defeat even with illegal armed formation present. “– Ukrainian Armed Forces Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Muzenko said.
- Is Russia About to Invade Ukraine? UkraineAlert by Alexander J. Motyl published at the Atlantic Council December 13, 2018
These are primary sources that LTC (Lieutenant Colonel) Vindman and the Wall Street Journal’s Pulitzer Prize winner Scott Shane call conspiracy theorists. The Ukrainian government from Torchinov to Poroshenko to Zelenskiy has kept Russia as their primary trade partner this entire time. This is a bit unusual for a country that says another is committing aggression against it. Furthermore, where are the international court cases if this is happening?
If the White House Ukraine expert isn’t fact-checking, what is he basing his position on? Hate, just pure unadulterated hate.
“The second reason I mention Paslawsky is that he was, after all, a Ukrainian American. In killing him—and make no mistake about it: Putin killed him—Putin has taken on, in addition to the entire world, the Ukrainian American Diaspora. He probably thinks it’s a joke. But in killing a Ukrainian American, he’s made the war in Ukraine personal for Ukrainian Americans. Their intellectual, material, and political resources are far greater than Putin can imagine. Be forewarned, Vlad: diasporas have long memories. And this one will give you and your apologists in Russia and the West no rest.- Alexander Motyl Loose Cannons and Ukrainian Casualties
The Diaspora’s hatred for Russia is hardwired into their culture in America. It was here the concept was fleshed out, not in Ukraine.
Lonhyn Tsehelsky was Secretary of Internal Affairs and the Secretary of Foreign Affairs for the government of the Western Ukrainian People’s Republic in 1917-18. When the almost formed republic collapsed, he immigrated to America. Tsehelsky formed the Ukrainian Congressional Committee of America (UCCA) and brought W. Ukrainian nationalism to America. He is the great uncle to Ukraine’s ultra-nationalist Rada minister, Oleh Tyanhybok.
According to Wikipedia In 1902 Tsehelsky published Rus’-Ukraïna but Moskovshchyna-Rossia (Rus-Ukraine but Moscow-Russia) which had a significant impact on Ukrainian ideas in both Galicia and in Russian-ruled Ukraine. In this book, he highlighted differences that he claimed existed between Ukrainians and Russians in order to show that any union between the two peoples was impossible. Tsehelsky claimed that Ukrainians historically wanted self-rule, while Russians historically sought servitude. Tsehelsky wrote that Ukrainians who opposed Ivan Mazepa were traitors and that Ukrainian history consisted of a constant struggle of Ukrainian attempts at autonomy in opposition to Russian attempts to impose centralization.
Because the formation of the UCCA is based in this thought and OUNb Bandera lead the Ukrainian-American Diaspora, the politics of hate is what drives them, nothing else.
- According to LTC Jim Hickman who served on a combined US-Russian exercise with Vindman, “At that point, I verbally reprimanded him for his actions, & I’ll leave it at that, so as not to be unprofessional myself. The bottom-line is LTC Vindman was a partisan Democrat at least as far back as 2012. So much so, junior officers & soldiers felt uncomfortable around him. This is not your professional, field-grade officer, who has the character & integrity to do the right thing. Do not let the uniform fool you…he is a political activist in uniform. I pray our nation will drop this hate, vitriol & division, & unite as our founding fathers intended!”
- … and allow Ukraine to realize its dream of a vibrant democracy and economic prosperity .-Vindman
US military officers are not in the business of vibrant economies or democracy. Ukraine can’t realize Vindman’s dream of a vibrant democracy because Ukraine has a nationalism built on Italian fascist philosopher Julius Evola.
“We are not speaking, of course, of Nationalist ideology, which a radical fringe (or, if you prefer, a leading elite) of Western Ukrainian society adopted in the 1930s and pursued through violent means. Metropolitan Andrey Sheptytsky condemned it at the time, contrasting it with Christian patriotism.
Some see the result as a defeat for nationalism. Certainly, it looks like a repudiation of the traditional type of nationalism based on ethnicity, language, history, culture, and religion.
That is the “old” nationalism of President Poroshenko – and most of our diaspora”-The Ukrainian Weekly May 11, 2019
Poroshenko made W. Ukraine the model for Ukrainian society today, but what about the Diaspora? That radical fringe was the OUN political model that the Diaspora stayed immersed in and is trying to change the United States into.
In their own words- “Unity to act when required has been the diaspora’s mantra – this cannot be disputed. As time moves on, we see that things take a natural course. We see that two wings of the OUN – Banderivtsi, and Melnykivtsi – are working actively on the international level, working in partnership and currently are in strong negotiations about becoming a single entity again”.-Ukraine Weekly Aug 26, 2016
Ukraine’s Zelenskiy was able to run for president based on how he negotiated through these two groups. Poroshenko was OUNb Banderivtsi’s candidate. Zelenskiy was OUNm Melnykivtsi’s candidate. The difference between the two is nominal. They both have a history built on torture and murder. For a background this shows what’s going on in Ukrainian politics in 2019.
The Ukrainian Diaspora openly claims not just the violent legacy of Stepan Bandera but also the mantle and mandate to attack anything they see threatening their power in Ukraine and influence on the US government. LTC Vindman is part of this culture.
Why are Ukrainian-Americans at the forefront of every attempt to impeach Donald Trump as well as the deep-state coup going on? Today, Donald Trump is threatening to remove this rancid influence from American politics.
Looking at the patriotic image the Ukrainian Diaspora tries to project, let’s go back to their charter statement on American civics.
In 1936 the OUN publication, The Nationalist, stated its position pretty clearly about the United States to the native groups that revolved around the UCCA after the war as well as the position they deserved in society.
“Nationalism is the love of country and the willingness to sacrifice for her…A person brought up as a Ukrainian Nationalist will make a one hundred percent better AMERICAN CITIZEN than one who is not.
Was it Nazis or Fascism that guided Washington, Lincoln, or other statesmen to make the U.S. a world power? Or was it American Nationalism?”
“For example, archival documents show that the U.S. Secret Service, the FBI, the State Department, a special intelligence unit created by U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and other agencies investigated in 1940-1942 an involvement of OUN and specifically, OUN-B, members, leaders, and sympathizers in a Nazi-led plot to assassinate President Roosevelt.” The Politics of World War II in Contemporary Ukraine Ivan Katchanovski Journal of Slavic Military Studies, Vol. 27, No. 2, pp. 210-233
As you can see, they haven’t changed methods or politics since the 1930s. If they don’t like a US president, they try to get rid of him or her in the most convenient way possible. Their issue with Roosevelt is he would never accept Nationalism. Today, they still call the Democrat president Roosevelt, a socialist.
But, how far across Ukrainian-American society does this go?
“I do care about social and economic issues affecting every American, but given the war in Ukraine, there is only one issue that we as Ukrainian Americans must focus on: Ukraine… The Central and East European Coalition is a coalition of U.S.-based organizations that represent their countries of heritage, a voting group of over 20 million people…A vote for Trump is a vote against Ukraine!…The upcoming presidential election will be the most important election in which Ukrainian Americans will participate. We can make a difference with deeds not words. Anybody but Trump!- Ukrainian Weekly
This linked series documents how the Diaspora does it and the impact they have. This article shows why Donald Trump won the 2016 election. If the Democrats are successful removing the Electoral College, the actual vote will be determined by 15 cities. Your vote, win or lose, no longer counts if you don’t live in one of them. This is the reason all the Diasporas are strategically located for political impact.
The history and involvement of Alexandra and Andrea Chalupa in both the 2014 Ukraine coup and the election hacking, as well as Russian interference stories, is well known. These two Ukrainian Diaspora sisters are the originators of the impeachment movement of Donald Trump which started just after he declared victory in 2016. Inside the above links, we have another 20 million Diaspora people who think the same way politically and socially.
Although this goes beyond partisan lines in Congress, the Democratic Party is overflowing with Diaspora operatives today. Adam Parkhomenko is a great example of this. He describes himself as Democratic Strategist, Consultant, Political Adviser. Dad. Ukrainian-American. Whatever order, son Cameron’s my life.
- Parkhomenko works with the DNC, Atlantic Council groups, and other groups trying to illegally overthrow the presidency.
Members of Congress celebrate this same Ukrainian nationalist brutality in Ukraine and its sister nationalists ISIS in Syria as well as Ukraine. ISIS also adheres to Julius Evola politically. If you want to know what Ukrainian nationalism looks like with no one buffering them, ISIS is ideal to study. This is what they want to do in Donbass. This is what they want America to become.
“I don’t want to dwell on Islamicist ideology; I don’t know that much about it. Still, we should note that recent Islamicist terrorists quote Evola with facility…One of the features of political Tradition has been the search for a school of the transcendent that could serve as the organizing principle of a new society.
Theoretically, any of the great religious traditions might serve. In practice, though, Traditionalists have usually chosen a radical version of Islam or some kind of neopaganism;… Tradition can be scary, however. Sometimes this knowledge of the inevitable collapse of the modern world inspires nothing more than the formation of groups of adepts who hope to manage the transition when civilization collapses. Sometimes, however, Tradition has sparked the creation of anarchist political groups that hope to accelerate the collapse.” After the Third Age Eschatological Elements of Postwar International Fascism, presented by Professor John Reilly at the Seventh Annual Conference of the Center for Millennial Studies, Boston University, November 2 to 4, 2002
Julius Evola was one of the founders of what became known as the “Tradition” and has adherents infecting all major religions with a fascist/ nationalist construct. According to the fascist Evola (esoteric fascism), immortality is attained by the conscious act that ignores the ramifications of death while plunging headlong into it without a thought. This has nothing to do with the type of religion an adherent is or its afterlife traditions.-
The Millennial Studies project at Boston University is engaged in the study of groups and ideology that pose existential threats and will eventually destroy the modern world.
Hence, they named the dangerous time we live in post-modern. It is quite literally the study of an impending apocalypse. The project reports to the government on the real nature of these groups and ideologies to give the government a basis for dealing with them.
This takes us back to Alexander Vindman as a just another sample of this rabidly nationalist community.
A Tale of Two Diasporas
Vindman grew up in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn NY. Its nickname, Little Odessa stems from the large Russians and Ukrainian enclave that grew big from the 1970s onward. Critiques argue that because of the dense population of Russian speaking people, it’s hardly the place you’d find Ukrainian nationalists. The statement is false.
In reality, what you had during the 1970s and 80s through the end of the Cold War was a dense anti-Communist population of which the leading edge was the Ukrainian nationalist Yaroslav Stetsko. After WWII, the Russian anti-communist émigré’s that fought against the Soviet Union relocated from the Displaced Person camps to the US.
This anti-Communist wave sought to be active in US countermeasures against the Soviet Union alongside the Ukrainian nationalists. Because the Ukrainians refused to work with Russian nationals, they were rejected.
This is a slice of the Russian emigration experience. The Russians kept the important cultural ties but assimilated politically into US democracy politically. Many did maintain a staunch anti-Communist stance throughout the Cold War which transformed into a strong anti-Putin stance during the years after the wall came down.
For the Ukrainians, almost 50 years of Cold War intrigue kept them bound inside the politics of extreme nationalism. For Soviet émigrés from Ukraine, Little Odessa’s Russian speaking Ukrainian community which developed in the 1970s would be the most comfortable place to live.
The most uncomfortable fact about Ukrainian émigrés to the US is even through this period, the anti-Communist tag meant they came from one side of the Bandera experience or the other. Ukrainian anti-Communism is synonymous with Ukrainian nationalism.
In Ukraine during the 1970s, your grandparents either fought for the Soviet Army or they fought against them. This means you were a victim of Nazi aggression, fought for Nazis, or fought against Nazism. This in itself isn’t a smudge or a smear on Vindman or anyone else.
Growing up in Brighton Beach inside a mixed Ukrainian-Russian population would have buoyed his family’s political beliefs. Little Odessa is part of Brooklyn and isn’t an island separated from the Ukrainian nationalist groups critics are arguing applies to Alexander Vindman.
New York is the headquarters of the Ukrainian Congressional Committee of America (UCCA). If you take part in public Ukrainian cultural life in New York, you rub shoulders with Bandera’s OUNb.
During and after the Cold War, NGOs formed claiming representation in Congress for entire Diasporas like the UCCA does for Ukrainian-Americans. Today is no different.
The political makeup of the Russian Diaspora in Brooklyn is much the same as it was when Vindman’s family moved there. The Russian-Ukrainian population is staunchly anti-communist which translated into anti-Putin Russians for many of them. They want to change the face of the Russian Federation.
“And so it was on a spring day in 2014 that Gindler, in his deep Russian voice, started talking about Vladimir Putin and called the leader a “nano-Führer.” His distrust and distaste for Russia’s president is shared by many in the community.” “You shouldn’t talk to any Russian-speaking person here in the West and expect any positive words about Putin,” said Gindler, a registered independent voter who cast his ballot for Trump in November…Gindler immigrated to New York from Ukraine in 1995, a few years after the fall of the Soviet Union.-Business Insider
These sentiments aren’t unique in the Russian-Ukrainian Diasporas. It gives a clear insight into the environment Vindman grew up in except for one thing. The Russian Diaspora found their expression through voting and adding to the American experience like many Diasporas. According to official numbers, about 35% of the Russian Diaspora feels this way.
Even after Vindman’s family emigrated to Little Odessa in the 1970s, the Ukrainian Diaspora were known as political animals, or to be kind, the activists-activist. They still are today. Not content with the American civic experience, they showed how much they are willing to tilt the table during election 2016.
What does this mean in 2019 for the Russian Diaspora? It means going forward the only representation they have in Congress today is provided by Ukrainian nationalists. The Ukrainian Diaspora of which Alexander Vindman is a solid part of represents Russian émigré interests at the Congressional level.
That’s tilting the table.
“We represent and coordinate the Russia diaspora. We pay special attention to those who have recently left Russia due to the considerable deterioration of the political and economic situation.
The Free Russia Foundation is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, nongovernmental U.S.-based organization, led by Russians abroad that seeks to be a voice for those who can’t speak under the repression of the current Russian leadership. We represent and coordinate the Russia diaspora. We pay special attention to those who have recently left Russia due to the considerable deterioration of the political and economic situation. We are focused on developing a strategic vision of Russia ‘After Putin’ and ‘Without Putinism’ and a concrete program for the transition period. We will continue to inform international policy-makers, mass media and opinion leaders on the real situation in Russia…We maintain our extensive networks of key political, business and civil society leaders throughout Russia. This gives us access to news and events in real-time. In addition, we are a hub for recently transplanted Russians and experts on every aspect of Russian society.” Free Russia Foundation
- They U.S. policymakers on events in Russia in real-time
- Support the formulation of an effective and sustainable Russia policy in the U.S.
This is an Atlantic Council production and Michael D. Weiss is on the Board of Directors. What’s notable is they have two locations. One in Washington DC to be close to policymakers and the other is Free Russia House in Kyiv vul. Kyrylivska, 26/2 Kyiv, Ukraine 04071
Like I said, Ukrainians like Alexander Vindman are trying to represent the Russian Diaspora and promote Ukraine and the Ukrainian Diaspora’s interests.
The basis for understanding why Vindman is clumsily trying to push Donald Trump’s impeachment can be found in the following post. This girl left a mid-west university to relive the NAZI experience her grandparents had. If they were UPA, her grandparents were involved with committing the Holocaust and mass murder. This was written just after Maidan ended and months before the civil war in Ukraine began.
“I have often thought of my ancestors and how they must have felt during WWII (and earlier liberation movements) and the partisan struggle to liberate Ukraine from totalitarian powers. I’ve always been fascinated by WWII and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), but never in my life did I think I would feel what they felt, get a taste of war, death, and the fight for freedom, such uncertainty, and love for Ukraine in a context similar to theirs…These sentiments which were felt by Ukrainians in WWII have been transferred to a new generation of Ukrainians who are reliving the liberation movement, re-struggling for a free, prosperous, and democratic Ukraine. Of course, EuroMaidan and Russia’s recent invasion of Ukraine …. I feel that I was guided to Ukraine because the love for and attachment to Ukraine was passed down from my grandparents, and as they couldn’t return…My grandparents’ generation fight for freedom didn’t succeed, there was no independent Ukraine after the war, and so being intelligentsia and having taken part in the liberation struggle, my relatives would have been persecuted under the Soviets.
Thus in 1944 when the Soviets were again approaching western Ukraine, my grandparents had to flee west…Eventually sotnias(defense/ military units) were formed during EuroMaidan and I couldn’t help but think that the last time sotnias were formed was during the war by the UPA…The UPA slogan “Glory to Ukraine” and response “Glory to the Heroes” as well as the UPA songs sounded from maidan’s across the country, and the black and red UPA flags flew next to the yellow and blue ones. There are in fact a lot more parallels between WWII and EuroMaidan/ the Russian invasion…And once we finally had a taste of victory, finally ousted the corrupt president, finally felt we had a chance to completely reboot the country, root out the Soviet mentality once and for all.”- Areta Kovalsky
To drive it home, long after LTV Vindman’s youth was over, NAZI monsters are still to be emulated in New York and CT.
Can Waffen SS officers and mass murderers like Stepan Bandera be Catholic patron saints in cities like New York, Philadelphia, Stamford CT, or Boston in the year 2015?
“On October 16, 2011, members of the 54th branch of CYM “Khersones” in Stamford, CT attended a mass and requiem service in honor of the great Ukrainian hero and freedom fighter, Stepan Bandera. It was the first time since its’ inception that the branches’ members took part in an organized activity together with the greater Ukrainian community of Stamford.
The SUM members and the faithful present that day enjoyed a beautiful and emotional homily about the life and achievements of Stepan Bandera delivered by Reverend Bohdan Danylo, Rector of St. Basil’s Seminary in Stamford. He instructed the children on how they can model their own lives on Bandera’s by following his example of self-sacrifice and unwavering dedication to his country. Following the homily, Father Bohdan distributed candles to each child which burned brightly during a stirring execution of the prayer “Vichnaya Pam’yat” in honor of the great hero of the Ukrainian nation.”
If you understand the tender emotion expressed watching protesters and police die, you can understand the mind of a Ukrainian nationalist. Vindman is no exception. His history, heroism, and sense of duty don’t cover him or excuse him. He reported no crimes that were committed by the sitting President he is trying to impeach. He only said he felt bad for Ukraine. That’s not good enough.
Putin says is everyone ready for a Minsk Normandy meeting….sonething about to happen? Does diplomatic usage of words”urgent necessity ” mean emergency…as Ukraine has messed up withdrawal again???
3 NOV, 18:36
Putin ready for Normandy Four summit in case of urgency – Kremlin
Putin is expecting results of the preparations, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said
© Mikhail Metzel/TASS
YEKATERINBURG, November 3. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin is interested in a Normandy Four summit with leaders of Germany, France and Ukraine in case of urgent necessity, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in the Moscow. Kremlin. Putin program on Rossiya’1 TV channel on Sunday.
“The president has repeatedly reiterated, including at the conference in Budapest, that he is ready for any summits, that he is interested in continuing the Normandy Four summits, but he is expecting results of the preparations and is waiting for the conditions to lead us directly to the urgent necessity of a Normandy Four summit,” he said.
In October, Peskov said that preparations for a Normandy Four summit were complicated with new approaches and requests from “one of the parties.” He did not elaborate which of the four parties to the Normandy Four group (comprising Russia, Germany, France and Ukraine) was in question.”
Donetsk, Nov 4 – DAN. Kiev’s failure to fulfill agreements on the disengagement of forces in Donbass shows that Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky lacks authority as a commander-in-chief and is a blatant sabotage of the Minsk Agreements, the DPR Mission to the JCCC said.
Today the JFO HQ issued a statement saying that DPR’s attempt to disengage forces is a provocation.
“Such statement show that their commander-in-chief lacks authority as he earlier announced disengagement plans for October 4. Ukraine’s actions are also a manipulation, a blatant violation of the Minsk Agreements and an attempt to reinterpret the agreements in its favor,” the Mission said.
DPR Foreign Minister Natalia Nikonorova confirmed on October 31 that measures to eliminate violations in the security zone in the Petrovskoye village area will be launched on Monday, November 4.
Donetsk, Nov 5 – DAN. Donetsk People’s Republic representatives called for a Contact Group video conference after Ukraine failed the new attempt to disengage forces and hardware in Petrovskoye, Donetsk People’s Republic envoy to the Contact Group, the Republic’s Foreign Minister Natalia Nikonorova said on Tuesday.
“Due to Ukraine’s failure to begin disengagement in the Petrovskoye village area on the date approved by all Contact Group participants, the Republic’s representatives, on the strength of Article 5 of the Framework Agreement, initiated an extraordinary meeting of the Contact Group in the format of video conference,” Nikonorova said in a statement received by the Donetsk News Agency.
The Contact Group will have to come up with a new date for the measures to eliminate violations in the security area, which were spelled out in the previously approved plan.
“We expect an active position on part of the OSCE in arranging a Contact Group video conference, and a reasonable approach from our opponents towards approving a new date,” the DPR diplomat said.
On November 4, Kiev failed the attempt to begin the disengagement of forces and hardware in the Petrovskoye-Bogdanovka area.
“2nd in command of the battalion complained on Twitter that the battalion was full of cowards shooting everything that moved and throwing grenades into the houses, cellars, and every structure killing everyone and everything they came across”.
Which is more typically Ukrainian – massacring civilians wholesale, or bitching about it on Twitter?
Neither exactly West Point behaviour… or is it?
Actually, killing civilians is what West Point grads are really known for. Fighting and prevailing over capable opponents, not so much.
The Saker
“Nationalism is the love of country and the willingness to sacrifice for her…A person brought up as a Ukrainian Nationalist will make a one hundred percent better AMERICAN CITIZEN than one who is not”.
Only if the characteristic qualities of an American citizen are laziness, cowardice, cruelty, untruthfulness, incompetence and self-delusion. You tell me.
As for nationalism being “the love of country and the willingness to sacrifice for her” – presumably if Ukrainians love any country, it must be Ukraine. I know that Jewish Americans consider their duty to Israel far more important than their duty to the USA, but is that really true of Ukrainians too?
Tom Welsh
The answer to your question is ‘no’. Those Ukrainians born in the US have only limited interest in Ukraine, especially now that millions have emigrated from the country due to to it’s economic deterioration. To them the US is their country. Yes, they have heard stories of Ukraine, told to them by their parents, but how many have gone to live in the country ? What you will get from them is some political rhetoric, and not much else.
Nationalism is dangerous garbage. It always ends up meaning xenophobia, chauvinism and jingoism. There is no such thing as a ‘nation’ save in the delusions of racists. Pride in the historical achievements of one’s countrymen, or their decent and human behaviour today, is fine, if kept more or less to oneself, but, in the end, we are all human beings on one, tiny, rapidly collapsing, planet, and we had better hang together as human beings, or we will hang separately as ‘patriots’.
Clearly Vindman is a traitor whose loyalty is to Ukraine. He also reflects the propaganda world the US Army sits in when he referred Russia as the Aggressor in 2008 Georgia and 2014- Ukraine. In the army in order to not fixd in racist attitudes In wargames during peace the opposing force is the Aggressor.By not telling the truth about who was the Aggressor in Georgia and Ukraine many Army officers like Vindman think of Russia as the Enemy, Vindman would have anyways because he is another Ukro Nazi.
The idea that Ukraine, Russia and Novorussiya could actually make peace and US maintain good relations with BOTH Ukraine and Russia is beyond a hater like Vindman. Alas, The Deep State and MIC really want enemies. For the good of the Army, Vindman must be court martialed
What we have here is a situation where the US used the Ukrainian diaspora in the US to stage that 2014 coup d’etat against Yanukovich in Kiev, while the diaspora and Kiev are backing Hillary, hoping the US will directly intervene against Russia on behalf of Ukraine. Very ambitious and very unrealistic, because NATO members in Europe have no intention of being drawn into a conflict with Russia on behalf of Ukraine’s neo-Nazis.
I also see the usual propaganda rhetoric in the style of “We pay special attention to those who have recently left Russia due to the considerable deterioration of the political and economic situation”, which is laughable, as that statement surely applies to Ukraine and not Russia.
The point is that the Ukrainian diaspora has been played. It was used to overthrow a legitimate Government, turning Ukraine into one of the poorest countries in Europe with millions emigrating. Ukraine as such has no future. As for the Russian immigrants to the US, they still have to learn where they came to. They should have talked to Russians who left the US and returned to Russia, disappointed with what they saw.
I’ve got so many thoughts running through my head after reading this that I am finding it difficult at the moment formulating a comment. I think yours is as good as any and touches on some things I am thinking.
I’m having a hard time making sense of such raw hatred, especially since most of Ukraine is historically part of Russia. “St. Vladimir the Great, Prince of Kyiv and all Rus”! The largely Jewish and western-inspired Russian revolution really poisoned the region. I can understand holding animosity towards that ideology but the supreme Soviet is long gone, Mr. Putin is not a dictator and the greatest evil stalking the planet comes, as always from the Anglo/American/Zionist Empire. How could they think that becoming NAZI is somehow morally better or less oppressive than the Marxist/Leninist regime? There is one curious thing I note in this article. It was the Roman Catholic Priest holding a vigil for Banderas as a great freedom fighter/nationalist. Eastern Orthodoxy considers such extreme nationalism to be a heresy. Not so in the Vatican who for many centuries have considered the Pope of Rome to be the rightful ruler of the world, even though Christ God said His Kingdom is not of this world. They are still at their nasty business in cooperation with western intelligence. I hope my fellow Orthodox, especially the priests and Bishops understand exactly what the Vatican and the western establishment actually is.
”“In this situation, a strong and independent Ukraine is critical to U. S. national security interests because Ukraine is a frontline state and a bulwark against Russian aggression. In spite of being under assault from Russia for more than five years, Ukraine has taken major steps towards integrating with the West.”
The Ukro garbage never ceases to impress. Their Galician Abomi-Nation masquerading as ”Ukraine” has got nothing whatsoever to show for it in terms of strength and independence. Deindustrialized and depopulating — that’s what your integration with the great and glorious West brought you. And it isn’t the first time that you celebrate Western imperial rape either.
The OSS then CIA after WW2 helped to prepare the ground of the fascist Ukrainian diaspora in the US. The Ukrainian desk at the CIA has operated continuously since then with the goal of a coup using western Ukrainian fascist and nazi groups and descendants in the US, Europe, and western Ukraine which has been accomplished.
The CIA is using their control of Ukrainian intelligence agencies in a feedback loop to effect regime change in the US. In essence they are traitors to the US Constitution and the outcome of a US national election. The CIA (Brennan) laid a trap leveraging fear and hatred of Trump that the democrats walked straight into. Hillary had a meeting with her adviser’s days after the election to start the ‘Russia did it’ campaign. Bill and Hillary have been in the pockets of the intel agencies from their time in Arkansas. Her CIA handlers coordinated with her. We are in phase two of that campaign and Cold War v2.
There is some similar history with the Armenian diaspora in the US but it has been muted downward by the strong presence of Armenians in the institutions and in support of the Russian Federation since the 1990’s, in addition to:
– relearning the history of the Ukrainian fascists like the Bandera OUN that mass murdered the Armenians of southern Ukraine during WW2 documented by an Armenian priest in Poland.
– the more recent horrors in Syria with the murder of Armenians by the jihadis aided and abetted by the US regime and the US media providing narratives as cover for it.
– US politicians and presidential candidates making promises to Armenians then abandoning them for money from Turkey or others.
– the US attempting regime change in Lebanon to weaken Hezbollah which (Americans would be surprised to hear!) most Christian Lebanese support, Armenians included.
– Russian support for the Syrian people and its Orthodox Christians and against the US backed jihadis, the latter a horror that is breaking the back of the belief in America by many Orthodox in the US.
Good summary of the convoluted history of the Western Ukraine.
It is also worth while to bring Germany into all this. Why Germany ? Well you need to look to the Past, German colonists who were welcome to Russia by Catherine the Great (German) to work the land. Their influence was always there in the background of Russian history. During WWII it manifested itself even stronger,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany
The problem with those cursed, demon infested ukrainians is that they are filled with hatred and self-righteousness, and they use the same nazi tactics of trying to dehumanise their victims to an Untermensch class making it easier to murder them, but most don’t really have the guts to face their armed opponents man-to-man, instead attacking defenceless civilians.
Claiming to be patriotic nationalists, they have let a parasitic warmonger give them orders, that as cannon fodder, they are too stupid to realise they are being used, and are expediting the demise of their country and people.
There are a few more points to consider. Little Odessa may be a hotbed of emigres from the ex-USSR. But its a hotbed of “Jewish” emigres from the ex-USSR.Just how Slavic does the name Vindman sound to a Slav.Yesterday on a US news show they were praising Vindman and attacking those that questioned him.One point they used to praise him was saying “how can anybody question the son of Soviet Jewish immigrants”.Lets not forget his parents left the USSR in the 1970’s.A time when almost the only ones able to immigrate were Soviet Jews.So there you have it.I suspect his “love” of Ukraine,is far less than his Jewish hatred of Russia.Like most Jewish immigrants from the ex-USSR he is a neo-con Russophobe,masquerading as a Ukrainian loyalist.
The fakestream media presstitutes were lying about Vindiman by saying that he (at three years) ‘fled’ or even ‘escaped’ the USSR, but, at present, the presstitutes have been mobilised to foam at the mouth and hiss poison at any mention of ‘communism’, ‘socialism’ or the ‘Soviet Union’, no doubt to prepare the cretins for an ideological Holy War against the Chinese Communists, who are, similarly, abused every day. It’s like 1954 all over again. Hence the popularity of anti-communist Ukrainian Nazis. WW2 never ended.
Considering the massive corporate/political power of Jews in the US & elsewhere, isn’t it true that Vindman, himself, is Jewish?
If so, how very remarkable. Read about the number of Jewish intellectuals, under Lenin, were part of the Russian Revolution. So what has become of that tradition?
How can it be that the ancestors of those RR Jews have turned so vehemently against Russia??
Is it due to the immense power of Israel with their tenderhooks in ALL aspects of US banks/corporations/USmilitary/politics?
Could it be because Jews, like all human groups, are diverse, in their politics, psychology and beliefs. Both the Zionazis and the Judeophobes pretend that all Jewish human beings think and act alike, but how likely is that?
“Tsehelsky claimed that Ukrainians historically wanted self-rule, while Russians historically sought servitude”. The concept of Russia/Ukrain , Black/White, Muslim/Christian,Us/Them,Me/you, inevitably leads to war. Why do us human persist in identifying with this maleficent concept. Fellow man,Unity in diversity is a universal Truth. Exclusivity leads to suffering, whereas an inclusive approach is of mutual benefit. Why be poor when there is plenty to go around. Duality(me/you),implies two sides of the same thing. Digital is practical as implemented in computers however, this is a non-linear universe. May I Congratulate the South African Rugby team for winning the world cup. I am proud that the South African Team (Springboks) continue to demonstrate what human can do once they lift themselves above petty untruths that divide us.
Fascism is where the State decides everything for and on behalf of the Nation. (Here the State means the Establishment and government, and Nation is the people. The idea that fascism has anything to do with National Socialism or ‘Nazis’ is totally false).
National Socialism is where the State encourages the individuals that comprise the Nation, to achieve their full potentials in whatever spheres within the community they believe they can excel in. (As you can see National Socialism is the antithesis of fascism but is lumped together today by the ignorant, the insincere and those with something to hide themselves…usually that they are actually fascists themselves, as quite clearly the government of Israel is today).
The main difference between International Marxism and National Socialism is that Marxism is international in essence, and National Socialism is Nationalistic. The operative functions of both societies are more complimentary that modern commentators would have you believe.
The inner core of the German Nationalist revolution against international capitalism, which International Communism was technically the other end of the same branch, were referred to as Social-Nationalists. Social Nationalism was the creed of the elites from 1933-1945 in Germany. Apart from the abandonment of currency speculation, share dealing and usury…the tools of capitalism…it was to all intents and purposes identical to Marxism on a National format.
You need to bear these facts in mind when reading this sort of article because few modern writers understand these matters and therefore misuse these terms willy nilly!
Capitalism is not about exploitation. It’s sole purpose is to steal at Nation’s wealth to make the rich excessively rich and the poor no better off than serfs. National Socialism is the only political system that reverses this exploitative system which is why tptb hate it so much.
Very curious theoretical formulation, Ted.
In other words Bandera and Vindman are A_Okay with you and your theories??….and that what occurred in Germany and areas under its occupation-annexation through to 1945 (and in the eastern European adherents of national socialism that emigrated west are The Hope of the People of the World??
Are Hitlery and Obomber therefore “national socialists” by your stunningly “fresh”, never before heard….. and most original definition?
If only Das Volk would finally get it right! The retards!
Early today in the Café I posted material that credits the author of the above extremely psychologically revealing article, quite a bit, not having had the opportunity at that time to get to this one yet:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2019-11-01/#comment-717131
”The inner core of the German Nationalist revolution against international capitalism, which International Communism was technically the other end of the same branch, were referred to as Social-Nationalists. Social Nationalism was the creed of the elites from 1933-1945 in Germany.”
Sounds promising. At least it doesn’t boil down to the Hitler < Stalin (less than , mind you) psychobabble peddled by the Zionazis. But, no, still doesn’t fly. Nazism is the spawn of Americanism: to wit: land-grabbing, racist genocide, enslavement, race laws, hysterical flag-waving, and ditto militarism. And US imperialism gloating in its own crimes in films, books, and newspapers distributed globally was a very real phenomenon by the time Fascism reared its ugly head in Europe.
Poor little Nazi Germany couldn’t dispense with militant parasitism. Too bad Stalin and the USSR that he led wouldn’t have it.
>Capitalism is not about exploitation. It’s sole purpose is to steal at Nation’s wealth to make the rich excessively rich and the poor no better off than serfs.
In these two sentences, in one breath you contradict yourself. You say the sole purpose of capitalism is to steal a nation’s wealth for the rich and make the rest poor serfs. Is that not ‘exploitation?
The way in which Ukronazi expatriates are manipulating the US and other Western states reminds one, a little, of the Zionazi Lobbies, and is the most delicious example of ‘blow-back’ one can imagine. The West, led by the USA, rescued eastern European fascists allies of the Nazis, and often even more brutal genocidists than the Nazis themselves, and gave them sanctuary and refuge in Western and Latin American bolt-holes. There they maintained and fostered their fascistic beliefs, driven on by the desire for vengeance, and, using the usual monetary route, they have bought great influence in Western politics. Indeed one could say that after the Zionazis, they are the most effective emigre ‘communities’, although Mafias might be a better description. Now the blow-back continues, the fascist tail wagging the Imperial dog, and the Lie is King. It does rather reinforce the theory that fascism is the natural, the default, position towards which ‘liberal democracy’ always tends.
A rock was once cooked in the same pot with jealousy. The rock melted but jealousy remained untouched. Russia defeated Nazi armies in 1945, yet Russo-phobia persist. Why ?. Man once believed that the Earth is flat. It took a bit of head chopping before Science could bring the “Earth is round” notion to dominance.Throughout history, Racism has claimed millions of lives, despite our attempts to combat it by deploying the tried and tested tool called modern education system. We all need our families, and societies for survival.However we need other families and societies for growth. It is the law of “Reciprocity”. Let us teach this to our children.
Your comments are nice, but sharp…and I like them.
The details are so fascinating……that the forest gets lost for the trees…….
Lots of sick, wounded people are in need of healing and MSM wants to exacerbate the illnesses discussed by Mr Eliason……in the Ukrainian Diaspora………….and perpetuate it…and weaponize it for the opposite of what you are talking about.
I don’t think it’s going to work. But y’all can decide for yourselves…..based on Kentuckians response to remarks by one of their US Senator’s at todays Trump rally:
https://youtu.be/zuG8uRlfD4I
Rand Paul blasts media in impassioned Trump rally remarks
“Do your job. Print his (Eric Ciamarella’s) name.”
I wouldn’t want to be Shifty Adam or any Vindman in 2019 or 2020.
To quote a famous chetnik vojvoda – there is no negotiating with these people other than at the end of a rifle barrel. If the svidomy push, you push back harder, preferably deleting them from existence
This very interesting thread and George Eliason’s post that stimulated it cause me to reflect that there is a missing element in this discussion. It was very briefly touched on by Eliason. But it appears to cut to the heart of the matter. That missing element is the hunger for and quest for transcendence. The problem being is that this innate hunger driven pursuit can lead people into very dangerous false directions in pursuit of that hunger. As I read it the hidden drive which makes all of this evil so intense and hard to confront is that people who are hungry in pursuit of transcendence can become intensely non rational and imbued with a dangerous power. Their minds get taken over with their dream of transcendence. They become unconsciously god-fixated. This is obviously what is driving Zionist Jewish extremists – Jewishness and Israel is a god encounter project for the extremist Jewish mind. The author here implies that this quest for transcendent nationalism is driving the Ukrainian fanatics. So if you combine the false Ukrainian desire for transcendence (a misplaced belief that a material object (the Ukrainian nation) is god) with the Jewish Zionist version of the same thing (the Jew and Israel itself is god) then you can get a grip on what is really bugging these maniacs. They seek a god encounter in a false place without knowing how to really talk about it. The misplaced pursuit of false transcendence is a dangerous and deadly form of false religion. It takes many forms and leads to enormous conflicts that are so hard to resolve, as people’s desire for God causes deep passions that cannot be eradicated by simple intellectual criticism. When the good people on this site criticize Jewish extremism or Ukrainian extremism they are actually criticizing false religion. Is this not so?
So the question all of the above is facing is how does civilization adequately deal with the mass pursuit of phony transcendence? Political consciousness must find a way to answer that question, surely. Thoughts anyone!
The ‘God encounter’ can be peaceful and internalised, an exercise in ‘soul-making’ for an individual, or it can be violent, aggressive and murderous, as with the Judaic cult and the other ‘religions’ that grew out of the ‘Abrahamic’ faith. They all have their roots in individual psyches and consciousnesses fashioned by heredity, family upbringing, socialisation and other influences of a more indefinable nature. On one side you have a contemplative, self-cultivating, life, dedicated, at times also to serving the interests of others in altruistic fashion, and on the other the aggressive, xenophobic, murderous Holy violence one sees lauded in the Torah/Old Testament with its litany of genocides, massacres and Draconian punishments, and in numerous religious wars, inquisitions, Crusades, jihads and pogroms ever since.
The God encounter rolled on ever since the idea of patriarchal monotheism and ego-projection onto the cosmos was invented by some spiritual entrepreneurs all those years ago. No doubt it did not come as some sudden flash of Divine Inspiration but as a slow percolation of attitudes, and it has been evolving and metastasising ever since. Today you have God-botherers as diverse as Pentecostal fascists like Bolsonaro and Morrison, the settler Judaic Taliban in Occupied Palestine, the Wahhabist genocidists, the Catholic Octopus Dei clerico-fascists or the tragic bien pensants who still follow Jesus as ‘The Prince of Peace’. These latter are, unfortunately, ever more on the defensive, while the wild beasts of religion as genocide cult, ever on the lookout for enemies, heathens, non-believers, schismatics, ‘Evil-doers’ or those who cross themselves in the incorrect direction, are on the march, in just another symptom of the human accident running out of control. When this type are equipped with technology sufficiently powerful, their innate pathopsychology of fear and hatred of others (probably an advantage, in evolutionary terms, at some long distant past)and drive to destroy, must have only one end, either rapidly, in thermo-nuclear war, or somewhat less hastily, in the ecological Holocaust.
”When the good people on this site criticize Jewish extremism or Ukrainian extremism they are actually criticizing false religion. Is this not so?”
Exactly, Snow Leopard.
I was alluding to the very same phenomenon in another thread earlier this year where I made the following observation regarding the Maidan:
They are doing their best, I’d say. Unrequited love dies hard.
Long time ago with a Monika war in disintegrating Yougoslavia there was a very active Albanian diaspora here (apparently similar to the Ukrainian one now). Than I followed some site called “original sources” about eventd there maintained by some courageous woman. I believe that on that site (may be it was different site but in my head it is) there was a document dump about the late 1940th CIA attempt to enlist leftover Nazi collaborators in Ukrainian Galicia for active participation in developing cold war. At that time Banderistas nationalists there were engaged in bloody partisan war against the Soviets by indiscriminately killing many prominent Ukrainians accusing them of “collaborating” with Soviets. According to this doc. dump the CIA recommendation was NOT to engage with them and actually to distance the US from them for the many war and humanity crimes they had committed. I guess the CIA changed substantially for the last 70+ years from an organisation tempered in the WWII fire to contemporary bureaucracy of Brennans, Clappers and Comeys
Yep. The consolidation of my articles shows that is exactly true.
This article and one of the articles linked within it left me dizzy. It is a shocking phenomenon that I am having a hard time getting my mind around, except that this idea of Ukranian Americans having a long standing drive to shape the US, Russia, Ukraine, and that therein lies the Nationalist Nazi element which is not only alive and well but growing in Ukraine and even here in the US, targeting Trump, targeting Putin, and that all of this is rising somewhat disguised by a Jewish Ukranian president who the articles allegeges to be a Jewish Nazi.
Is Zelenskij not the Jewish puppet of a true Jewish Nazi-Kolomoisky? Of whom Haaretz in Israel asked, ‘Is this the most powerful Jew in the world?”.
The rhetorical question posed by Haaretz is just their usual kind of bragging. Kolomoisky is, arguably, the most powerful Jew in Ukraine, but that’s not too impressive an achievement. To cheer up Haaretz a little, I should feel inclined to say: Isn’t that a gross anti-Semitic slur against George Soros?
Kolomoisky’s activities are not restricted to Ukraine.
He and ex-con Vadim Rabinovitch – “Israeli Philanthropists” – donated the money needed to set up the European Jewish Parliament inaugurated in 2012 in Brussels. The EUJP convenes in the Brussels EU parliament chamber when the EUMPs are sitting in Strasbourg. It is funded by the Knesset (presumably: US tax dollars) and is formally an extension of the Knesset in Europe.
The Inauguration of the EUJP received almost no media coverage and few Europeans are aware of its existence..
The videos recording the inauguration have been pulled from youtube. Meanwhile there is no Catholic or Muslim equivalent; in fact the Lisbon Treaty deliberately rejected including Christianity / religions in the EU formation.
One striking feature of the EU Jewish Parliament is that its MPs represent the 53 European countries and are not restricted to the 27 EU members.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/152977
https://thewallwillfall.org/2015/03/22/jewish-european-parliament-zionism-takes-power-french-english/
A third brother Leonid Vindman may be of interest.
“A third brother Leonid Vindman, who reportedly was fined $1.3 billion along with his employer Unicredit Bank for violating trading sanctions by trafficking nuclear energy materials to Libya and Iran, runs Tungsten Capital an investment firm with ties to former Soviet satellite countries.
From grayseconomy.com
George Webb had further allegations in recent video. Try 30th October and later
I lived in Ukraine for many years.
The “Canadian nationalist” (the descendant of some Ukrainian member of the SS who emigrated to Canada and then returned to Ukraine a rabid nationalist with very little knowledge of the country other than what he or she learned in “Ukrainian school”) was a stock figure in jokes.
If you tried to speak Ukrainian and you had an accent, locals would frequently bark “Go back to Canada!”
Once could probably say something similar about Miami Cubans, except they are even less welcome in the land of their ancestors.
But it is this faction that has a disproportionate influence on where their country is headed, Hell. Of course with help from the Devil in the US.
When was Vindman at the US Embassy in Ukraine?