Commentary:
So the Ukies have deliberately done in Lugansk what they have already done in Slaviansk just before the assault: they destroyed the city’s water supply. In the meantime, other Ukie forces have used MLRS systems to bomb and destroy a column of refugees fleeing from the combat area.
It is crucial to understand that these are not “mistakes”.
In reality, this is typical US/NATO doctrine. Most of you probably remember the threat of Secretary Baker made to Tarek Aziz in 1991 “We will destroy your country and bring it back to the stone age.” For a while, Uncle Sam tried to sell this theory as “shock and awe”, but the real description of it would, of course, be “target and terrorize the civilian population”. Nothing new here. This is what the US military has been doing most of its history, for the Indian wars to Libya and Syria in our times. But the best example of this was the terror war against Yugoslavia in support of the KLA in Kosovo. There, the USAF and NATO totally failed at even marginally degrading the Serbian Army Corps in Kosovo so they turned to a strategic terror campaign against the people of Serbian and Montenegro. This is also what Israel does every time Hezbollah defeats it (which is every time the two fight).
In the Ukraine we see exactly the same scenario playing out. The sole difference being that with the Ukies the terror against civilians began on day 1 as soon as Yanukovich was overthrown, especially in Kiev, Odessa and Kharkov. But pretty soon the junta organized something like a military force and sent it to fight the Resistance in Novorussia. Soon, however, it became painfully obvious that the Ukie military did not want to fight and that the Ukie terror squads could not fight. So, naturally, they both turned against the civilians, just like the US and NATO always do.
Though they will not admit it, the junta leaders probably realize that the Donbass is lost forever and that even if they occupy it, all they will get for it in a never-ending insurgency. So from the point of view of the Nazi junta, terrorizing civilians is a perfect strategy: either they leave or the die. And, as an added bonus, if the junta commits enough atrocities, Russia might be forced to intervene, which would be a dream come true for the junta and Uncle Sam.
But some reporters, even well-intentioned one, just don’t get it. For example, they say that the Tochka-U missile is inaccurate and that it cannot be accurately targeted. This is not true at all. The missile is called “Tochka” which means “spot” or even “dot” because it is extremely accurate. It’s “inaccuracy” is not in the fact that it cannot precisely be targeted, but because its warhead can kill everything alive on a surface of three acres, more with a cluster of FAE warhead. When the Ukies shoot a Tochka-U at a residential neighborhood of Lugansk (like they did yesterday) they are deliberately trying to kill as many civilians as possible. Ditto for their massive MLRS strikes. For the Ukies civilians are not “collateral damage” – they are the primary target.
From all the reports, the junta has more or less given up on the notion of actually fighting the Resistance. Instead, they try to terrorize and kill as many civilians as possible, and they use their numerical superiority to probe everywhere along the line of contact. If a location appears less defended, they then “take it” – even if the “conquered” position was not even defended in the first place. It makes for good soundbites and headlines in the MSM.
Now they have destroyed the main water supply station in Lugansk. Again, this is not a mistake. Just like the numerous artillery strikes against local hospitals, including cancer-treatment facilities, the destruction of the civilian infrastructure is logical “if we can’t have it – neither will you” is how Uncle Sam and his death squads have always operated. This is why the Ukies have now begun bombing the coal mines.
What the Ukies are doing is a terror campaign of ethnic cleansing which is deliberate and systematic. All that talk about “poor targeting” and “mistakes” is nonsense.
The Saker
Paul II
Your theory is as valid as mine. You could be right.
@Larchmonter and Demian
How can you both expect sympathy for the cause of Russia, while in the same vein, you speak so intolerantly and condescendingly of Ukrainians. I think it is this very mindset, this we feel our interests and sensitivities trampled by the Americans, but reserve the right to disregard and trample the right of Ukraine to exist as a sovereign entity- that has caused a relatively manageable situation, i.e. post coup Ukraine, to spiral out of control into a tidal wave of violent Russophobia. It has produced forces that keep relentlessly advancing and killing irrespective of losses.
Prime exhibit of this “Russo-exeptionalism complex”, was Putin openly stating that he would protect ethnic Russians in the region irrespective of the sovereignty of the states in which they resided. Now either he could enforce such a claim or he couldn’t, because he should’ve known some state somewhere would test his resolve. How can he expect any of those states with ethnic Russians in the region to not side with the hegemon when the “Greater Russia” concept was tested in Ukraine? Threatening your neighbors only leads to isolation, unless you’re strong enough to enforce your threat.
Additionally, What nation’s history and traditions, cannot be dissected and proven to be false and built up through myths and inconsistencies? Point that out to me and I’ll show you a liar and a hypocrite. They are all artificial constructs. They were conceived as lies and nurtured in myths.
Pretending Ukraine is Russia’s private fiefdom to benevolently dispose of as Russia deems fit is counterproductive and a myth in itself. If it was true none of this genocide of Ethnic Russians in Ukraine would be happening, unless your claiming that it’s all occurring with the Kremlin’s express consent.
It is obvious Russia underestimated the resilience of Ukrainian nationalism and Russophobia. Pretending this is some anomaly that’ll recede and Ukraine will return to blissful servitude to Russia is inconsistent with the current reality, and you lose the cover of the innocence/ justification of Russia’s cause
@Paul II 03:21:
It’s very clear what Poland could have done to prevent Germany from attacking in WWII. It could have done the reasonable thing and stopped hanging on to the city of Dresden, which was full of Germans. Poland’s belligerence is what triggered WW II, with the Poles thinking the English and French would bail them out. (Instead, the Allies gave up Poland to Stalin. so the whole act of madly, stubbornly hanging on to Dresden did the Poles no good whatsoever, leading instead to the death of 30 million people.)
Observer wrote:
“…The map you provided indicates the countries that agree with Russia on these issues represent 70% of the planets population, over 60% of global GDP and 4 out the 7 nuclear powers…”
[Observer is referring to the world map near the bottom of…
this comment above
…that shows which countries deem the Novorossiya self-defense forces “self-defence militia” and which deem them “separatists/terrorists.” ]
I had certainly immediately noticed that all the BRICS (40% of world population) + Argentina were on the good side, and while Central or South America weren’t all green at least NONE were red, but thanks for adding considerably more to the understanding of the significance.
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Dutch wrote: “I’m sorry John…”
I’m 100% confident that most readers here understand that by “separatists/terrorists” the creator of the map meant either/or, as that is the most common meaning of using a forward slash [ / ] between two words in that context.
But even in the very unlikely event that is not the case, there’s no need to express sorrow to me, whether intended to be condescending or not, regarding your conjecture about the entire (“nobody alls [sic]”) populations of Holland, Germany, and Belgium; obviously I was simply reproducing something I did not create (clearly indicated on the map itself) that I found very interesting regarding many of the remaining 193 of 196 countries of the world.
I doubt Putin will ever send Russian troops across the border. If he does, it’ll be against the wishes of his strategists, but come winter, when eastern citizens are freezing and starving to death, will they continue to follow the play book? Maybe, but if the Russian population demands action, what happens then?
Nice to see that Russia is giving the Novorossyians Military help while still maintaining plausible deniability. They learned well from Bill Clinton.
Robin Morritt wrote:
” ‘And our culture, for whatever reasons, keeps promoting killers.’ [Nora] Maybe it’s slightly different. Maybe our culture turns people into killers after they acquire power.”
Perhaps, but I’d go with a minor variation on Nora’s:
psychopaths seek unlimited power
I’d challenge anyone to view the video at this post…
5-minute video: US ‘leaders’ JOKE about OBVIOUS War Crimes, war lies, war murders: Arrest them
… without concluding that these people (Bush, Obama, McCain, H Clinton, J Baker) are psychopaths (the video is [05:47] — but one needs view only the first 45 seconds for the section featuring Hillary Clinton cackling about the brutal torture and execution of Gaddafi).
@RealityCheck 03:58:
The Ukraine has only existed for 23 years, so your claim that any “nation’s history and traditions, … [can] be dissected and proven to be false and built up through myths” is nothing but relativism and postmodernism. After the coup in Kiev, commentators observed that since its creation, the new state of Ukraine had not been able to create a national identity. Nobody doubts that countries like England, France, Russia, and yes, the United States, have national identities.
Ukraine does not exist for even a quarter of a century, and what happens to it? It gets taken over by fascists, bringing back fascism, a nightmare that Europeans thought they were rid of for good, back to the center of Europe. Surely this means that the Ukraine is not viable as a nation and is a failed state.
With the breakout of the civil war, Ukrainian identity has become identical with being a racist fascist. Thus, the only way to once more purge Europe of fascism is to let the Ukraine fall apart.
It is obvious Russia underestimated the resilience of Ukrainian nationalism and Russophobia.
Chamberlain also underestimated the extremism of German nationalism under the Nazis. The correct response to Nazism was not to accommodate oneself to it, but to destroy it.
NotSoFast,
Very strange that we experience Chinese quite differently. Their racial superiority is festooned with historical inferiority complex from humiliations for a hundred plus years of invasions and occupation.
Also, I find the friends I have from Mainland as very generous, caring people. The friends from Taiwan, more American-oriented are the different ones, more like you indicate.
China has no history, when it was capable of domination, of exercising that power. I believe the same holds more than true now.
China’s number one issue is internal stability. It still has 800 million more people to raise from poverty to some level of middle class. That will take some doing. The took 30+ years to get 400 million up from poverty at growth rates of 10%+ growth GDP/yr.
Now, with the world in no growth and recession, the manufacturing is slowing, exports are more problematic and they are trying to grow internal markets.
Also, competitively, they have to move their products up the value tree. They can’t keep making crap for Walmart and Home Depot. Vietnam and Bangladesh and Malaysia will be the new crap producers.
As for Chinese/China being like Jew/Israel—yes. They are tough to negotiate with in business (I’ve done it for 12+ years), and both groups are very, very tough business types.
It’s interesting that the Chinese and Israelis get along in their own business transaction. Hi tech for fifteen years. Even though the Chinese side with the Palestinians, though very carefully. The Chinese are avaricious business owners and capitalists. They really all (everyone I ever met) want to be a millionaire and will work to death to get there.
My best friend from China, Helen, comes from Harbin, is well on her way to her goal and travels about 50,000 air miles every year doing it. She introduced me to China and many “deals”. I teach her English, expand her vocabulary, and she gets richer every year because it is all she thinks and works for each day. All her friends—the same.
I’ve met and dealt with people from Dalian, Tianjin Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Hong Kong, Zhengzhou and Guangzhou and they all are either millionaires or working to be millionaires. I think, because they all came from nothing, they are obsessed with getting as much as they can.
Perhaps, it’s human nature, not Chinese nature. No nation fell from greatness and was held down like they were and now have risen to the heights again. It may be the reason the Han are such a “threat”. They work harder.
But as you led with the canard story from ZH of a Chinese invasion of India —my experience with India folks is they are the group who thinks they are special and superior (all in a very gentle, insouciant way).
From ZH: Update:”who says media disinformation only takes place in Ukraine; apparently the same takes placed between India and China. Bloomberg cites an Indian army spokesman S.D. Goswami who denies Chinese entered territory in Ladakh, a mountainous area in northern India. “No incursion or encroachment of Indian territory by China has taken place along the India-China border,” Goswami says in statement. “There are areas along the border where India and China have differing perception” of line of actual control. “Due to both sides undertaking patrolling up to their respective.
Almost as if someone in the media world is eager to launch a war…”
So, no invasion. No trouble. India and China will be together. Border will not be a problem.
Demian,
There is no question that Poland provoked things, and had a terrible government. But if you think the Nazis were going to be deterred from their drive to the East, I think you are being quite optimistic. For one thing, the Nazis had very significant support in Western elite circles. Many make the argument that the West’s war on Germany only started once it was clear they were going to lose to the USSR.
In any case, in the current situation, Russia cannot really stop Ukrainian acts of war. Yes, Russia can explain to key players, such as Kholomoisky, that they will lose their property, but that may not change the course that the decision makers in the West choose.
Reality Check,
If Andropov had lived longer or Yeltsin had a brain, or Putin was in charge, Ukraine would never have been allowed out of the RF.
So, Ukraine as a nation is based on stupid mistakes by unthinking leaders of RF at the time.
And thereafter, Russia thought and still might think they can trust their “partners” concerning Ukraine. Not one agreement or deal has been kept by Kiev. They are all criminals of the worst order.
I thought I was basically giving many Ukrainians the benefit of the doubt, saying that they would want their corrupt, criminal junta out of Kiev.
I stand corrected. Maybe that is wishful thinking.
F*ck them. Let them freeze their balls off. And they can kiss the ass of the Hegemon for food.
I have my hopes with Russia, China and a collapse of the Hegemon. This planet cannot endure more crime, corruption, greed and war. At least Putin and Xi are trying to mitigate those pathologies.
@RealityCheck said…
@Larchmonter and Demian… Blah, blah, blah… Russia, this, Russia that…
You must be oblivious to the fact that as far a Polish, Hungarian, Romanians are concerned, Ukrainians are nothing more than derelicts and miscreants and they are anxiously awaiting for the day Kiev falls so that the fake nation that was made up from their annexed land by others can be returned to it’s rightful “owners”. There will be a split eventually, maybe 4 or 5 segments, and it will not be the one most are expecting and the more of the obsolete and neglected infrastructure that is demolished the quicker it can be rebuilt. What we are seeing occurring in the East is doing nothing but furthering the resentments and anti-Ukie sentiment. This is simmering below the surface and may come to slow boil as the seasons change. The Kiev junta is being set up for a really big fall, just like their neocon sponsors. This seems more like a global purge of sorts that required the various players that threaten the global “economy” to self-identify in order to be publicly flushed out as they have been. Funny thing about capitalism is that it usually eliminates real threats in such a way that ensures the flow of capital along the way since money changers always win. In other words, Ukraine became an unfunded liability to many outside interests so the assets needed to be liquidated…
Terror against civilian population is the american way of war.
Among many other examples, there is the case of Serbian Krajina, a region that was part of the Federal Republic of Croatia, that proclaimed its independence, when Croats have ellected a nationalist governement using the same symbols and rhetoric as the fascist ustasa state responsible during the second world war for the genocide of hundreds of thousands Serbs. During the civil war, they had their black legion too, the HOS, similar to the men in Black of the Right Sector, only more cruel.
The Serbs defendend their land, were they lived for centuries, so they had the moral high ground. But after the coming of an interposition mission of the UNO, The US and Germany have armed the croatian army with modern weapons and the private contractor MPRI have sent many retired american generals to train them and prepare a general offensive on Krajina.
The operation code named Storm, was a copy of the US military doctrine. In the first hours of the operation, the Croatian army heavily bombed serbian towns and villages on the rear of the serbian frontline, causing the flight of the civilian population, parents of the soldiers defending their homes. The panic and disorganisation provoked by this campaign of indiscriminate shelling, destruction of serbian military communications by Nato planes, disrupted interoperability and maneouvres of the serbian army, which was more occupied to protect civilians, their own families, than to fight.
In this operation that lasted three days, but was prolonged with an operation of cleasing that lasted three months, ten thousand civilians were killed or have disapeared.
The modus operandi of the Croatian army wore the label “made in USA”. That’s the american way of war.
Does not mean it is true but all indications are that the US has substantial influence over it. US and its allies are funding it and providing it training and weapons and to say its just another terrorist operation is not even a valid excuse for possible deniability.
>>Lyudmila Chernova – The Islamic State (IS) is a covert intelligence operation by the United States which aims at setting a predicate for further escalation in Iraq, Francis Boyle, a constitutional scholar and law professor at University of Illinois, told RIA Novosti.
“All the implications so far in the public record are that ISIS [IS] is a covert US intelligence operation,” Boyle told RIA Novosti Tuesday.
“Head of ISIS Abu Bakr Baghdadi spent five years in an American detention facility, and also three of the four military commanders were also in detention by the US forces. So, my guess is that ISIS is indeed a covert US military intervention to set precedent for US escalation in Iraq.”
“The main goal of the operation is to destroy Iraq as a state so that it could no longer stand in the way of the imperial designs of the US and Israel in the region. Second, to control the oil in the region,” Boyle asserted.
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We already know the US is the most agressive opertunistic on the planet even more so than the British and Romans.
But we have never talked about mind control. Even though it is such a huge part of the human consciousness. This is not a fringe conspiracy theory.. Around 30% of humans are infected by some kind of pathogen. Just one kind of them called Toxoplasmosis makes humans 250% more likely to be in a car accident, 71% of infected humans can expect a Male offspring (so dont tell that to the Chinese and Indians) compared to the world average of slightly over 50%.. Makes people susceptible to paranoia, autocratic rulers and suspension of empathic responses and suppression of human survival traits.. Does that describe any of the freaks in Kiev?
This is not even going into all the mind control experiments of forced manipulation of human conditions but a natural one. Crowd control is very easy to do because you only need to control a small fraction of the people to make the entire group do the very same thing.
This of course does not excuse what one does just like being intoxicated does not absolve you of murdering someone. But it can make entire groups of people or countries fall into certain behavioral traits that can be taken advantage off and manipulated.
“(the other two of this movement, Dugin, Limonov, I have not ever heard )”
well this creature named Limonov was target paracticing on Sarajevo civilians…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tH_v6aL1D84#t=301
Dear Spiral,
0. Thanks for your answer, we partly agree.
1. I don’t think Putin has to fear a fifth column, his ratings is in the 80s, now (as of 2014) he can do whatever he wants, and he can appeal for help directly to the people. As soon as the color revolution kretins start something, they will experience serious butt problems.
2. Regarding intervention (it’s already taking place in disguise), I think Russia wants to maintain some kind of “plausible deniability”, and also, the experience with Afganistan (and the failures of the USA against third world nations) is against hastily decisions (but remember Georgia, 2008). Perhaps she wants to maintain a credible local force (with support, training and arms), and calculates that this will be enough regarding the mass support for Novorossia and the mass hatred against the Nazi regime.
Repercussions, sanctions, propaganda shit etc., will hit her, regadless of what she does.
3. Alternative economic model: Russia wants to be out of the economic web of the US for good, but that wouldn’t amount to an alternative economic model, it would still be some kind of capitalism. What we can see now is the slow but steady collapse of capitalism (for purely internal reasons), and neither Russia nor China can avoid that without serious socialist reforms. The Soviet model had its (serious) problems but in hindsight the Soviet bloc wasn’t that bad in comparison to the situation of today.
Regards, Balazs (from the former Soviet bloc)
“…the Croatian army heavily bombed Serbian towns and villages…”
We in Croatia (at least ones with some percentage of brain still working and are able to use the Internet) sympathize with people of Donbass and are against destruction of their soul through “shock and awe doctrine” (we did experience it during Serbian aggression) but here we have again one Serbian troll faithfully forgetting destruction of Vukovar and artillery terror on Croatian cities that lasted for four years.
This minor damage on civilian infrastructure of ethnically cleansed “Krajina” (of Croatians of course) in the beginning of Operation Storm is nothing compared to destruction and slaughtered Croatian population in border towns of front lines as well as in Croatian villages inside “Krajina” (totally destroyed and population either expelled or slaughtered.) Also please note that withdrawal of civilians was planned in advance (TV report about evacuation drill in village of Trzic in Kordun regionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAZJoh_OhEs)
If the purpose of this blog is to alter the history remember that people know what has happened to them. Go to Croatia and talk to people that survived Serbian atrocities…
RU must do this. RU must do that.
Why? How much of UE is behind the Separatists in the East?
Why does RU need to annex UE? It doesn’t. RU can keep the pot boiling. Let the EU, on the verge of collapse, and the Amis, on the verge of collapse pay the price trying to civilize that rabble. Why should RU clean up the mess that the idiots in DE, POL, US etc created?
NATO was quoted as saying that RUS holds the upper hand now, but the west will win in the long run, and Putin can’t live forever.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-18/nato-admits-putin-holds-short-term-cards-wont-be-around-forever
That’s the state of NATO. It is a pile of dogs**t. IMO RUS knows it and could move into UE at any time but why should it. The locals don’t seem to give a shit. Rebuilding UE is horrendously expensive and the EU ain’t going to help. Let the EU buy POL’s apples and UE chocolate. You make your bed sleep in it. It is a circus and winter is coming.
A number of posters have raised the question of Putin’s loyalty or is he going to sell out. To whom would he sell out to? The zionists? Why? IMO talk like that may be missing the mark because, again IMO, Putin sees RUS as a land rising from the mud, a land that has played second fiddle to the brits, the deutsch, the french, the amis for, at least the last 100 years. And now the brits, the deutsch etc etc are coming to terms, all be it, slowly with their ignorance, no not ignorance – stupidity. The merkels, steinmeiers, obamas, hollandes and their fellow travelers, all elected by an ‘enlightened’ citizenry are in the process of eating crow on a silver platter. No it isn’t over. The pogroms have not yet started, officially, but they will. It’s in the cards. ‘Mein Kampf’ is a runaway hit. The ‘intellectuals’ are screaming that ww2 is being rewritten in the latest surge of books more in favor of A.H.’s ww2 philosophy. The pendulum is reached its max and is starting to go in the opposite direction. Nothing has been learned in the last 100yrs. Nothing. …and winter is coming.
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Nora, I always appreciate your input on this blog. I would ask you, though, if we agree the people of Novorossia have the right to defend themselves against the violence perpetrated against them by Kiev and the US/NATO, how is it we cannot agree the people of the world have a right to defend themselves against those who plot and execute endless crimes against them? It seems to me the idea of assassination is among the least violent possible endings to their reign of terror over the earth. People have the right to self-defense. They have the right to turn their weapons against their true enemies, rather than against each other. I do not see a possible non-violent ending to this. If you do, can you say what it might look like?
Randy J.
Exactly
Anonymous Larchmonter445 said…
Putin will enlarge the Militia to take Kiev.
I don’t believe he will ever put troops in Ukraine directly.
I think he is building allies in the West Ukraine who will form a national salvation army, join the Militia to unseat the junta.
This will freeze out Poland and NATO, an imperative if Russia is to get off unscathed for the fall of Kiev.
Immediately, the new government will ask Russia for economic aid and security.
Thus, the neo-nazis will be the last of the psychos to be hunted down by Ukrainians using Russian experts and assistance.
Ukraine will remain whole, federated in local regions, de-militarized and ultimately a very feeble nation-state. But it will get a future. Russia and China will rebuild it. It will deliver food as its major export.
All the oligarchs will leave, die, be killed or imprisoned.
I have stated that Putin must have Ukraine. He will get Ukraine with Ukrainian help.
These masses of people do not want a war. They want the theft of their livelihood and future stopped. Only Putin can deliver what they want.
Real hatred of people is hard to maintain. It takes constant brainwashing or a psychopathic personality. I don’t believe 42 million Ukrainians are so deep into hate that they will fight a war they can’t win. The war they can win is against the junta. The Militia will lead the way and the sensible Ukies will join them to clear out the criminals.
Dublinmick
@Anonymous 21:55
Don’t forget that the US did this to its own people in the American Civil War! History has so sainted Abe Lincoln his absolute war crimes have been hidden. Cities were sieged and bombarded, civilians died, people hid underground as Yankee troops called insults and animal names to the people they saw digging a hideout from the shelling.
The Confederate States started the American Civil War in order to preserve their institution of slavery, an abominable, barbaric practice. To the best of my knowledge, after the collapse of the Roman Empire, only Anglophone and Muslim countries continued the practice of slavery.
The English, along with their American colonizers, enslaved human beings, whereas Continental Europeans had no such institution. Today we see again that the Anglosphere is on the wrong side of history, with its determined, obstinate support of a fascist government in Europe currently engaged in genocide. (If you can’t enslave a group of people, exterminate them.)
It is the American Confederacy that gave the United States its model for how to treat the inhabitants of foreign countries. The United States is now treating Ukrainians as American slaveholders treated their slaves: as an economic resource with no claims to being human.
Correct. Nothing to add.
I think I still have this video somewhere which was done years ago. Yatseniuk on tv explaining that the Russians in Ukraine need to be got rid of. So the aim of ethnic cleansing was clear from day one.
While in the middle ages knights still fought knights proudly (not always) it is the civilian population that has increasingly been the enemy. These days… they are enemy No. 1 and all the rest is a minor problem. How perverse can things get? There appears to be no limit… I’m thinking of the picture of the old and incapacitated person in a wheelchair in front of the old people’s home. Killed by shelling (I forget, Donetzk? Slaviansk? … Somewhere..). So there is the enemy!
Are you really suggesting We The People hire assassains? uh… Count. Me. Out. !!!
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Assassin is he who knowingly kills innocents…
John 97205,
Yes re: psychopaths seeking unlimited power; I’m guessing they always have and always will. But not all cultures or societies permit them to. We seem to encourage them and give them free-rein.
Lumi,
Feel free to enlighten me. You aren’t even talking about a specific topic, so how are we to judge what you know? Do you really think Germany could have been deterred from invading the USSR by Stalin?
Larchmonter,
I have not the slightest doubt that your experience with the Chinese is what you say. I would however like to add the following comments:
“Their racial superiority is festooned with historical inferiority complex from humiliations for a hundred plus years of invasions and occupation.” Their “inferiority complex” is carefully cultivated by a government that is bent on perpetually invading new territories (currently f. ex. the South China Sea). The fact is that more than half of the PRC is made up of conquered territories – Tibet alone represented ~40% of the PCR at the time of invasion.
“Also, I find the friends I have from Mainland as very generous, caring people.” I have no doubts about that either because you were perceived as coming from a strong country. But I would think that if your friends came into contact with f. ex. Tibetans many of them would not be generous or caring. I was a comitee member of a pro-Tibet organisation for several years and I was shocked at the ruthless destruction of the Tibetan culture, religion and language and the equally ruthless marginalisation (not to mention killings and torture) of the Tibetans in their own country. My explanation for this difference in attitude is that the Chinese mindset respects only strength – in a nutshell “might is right”.
“…my experience with India folks is they are the group who thinks they are special and superior (all in a very gentle, insouciant way)”. My own understanding of Indians is that they have walked the walk of trying to understand the human animal and that they have achieved important results in this field. In my personal contacts with them I rather had the feeling that they were often on the defensive.
The human animal is not so easy to understand :-)
Best regards
@Larchmonter.Your name sounds to me like Treeclimber,a scouting party leader maybe.
But most,if not all,of what you say resonates with me as both intelligent and true.The line below sums up what is sorely needed in today’s computer-view existence we lead,action of a real sort,and soon.
“We have to agree to sanction professionally trained experts to do that task.”
This has also been my thought since before Max K wanted to hang the bankers,literally,which I also agree with.Trouble is target-zone A is in USSA ,where I believe the remedies lie.
best,
XbNB
In the Ukraine the ZPC/NWO is using the same strategy the zionists used in the formation of their Israeli hell hole. They practice terrorism and a strategy of infrastructure destruction to force the local population to flee. The genocide by the Israelis was nothing new. Before them the German nazis tried the same thing in Eastern Europe, and the Americans committed a similar genocide against the native populations of North America.
In the “west” with total zionist control of the media, and the subversion of the left by zionist infiltration, the ZPC/NWO is able to consistently get away with these crimes in conflict after conflict. The “new war strategy” of variations of “color revolutions” is the zionist method of infiltration and subversion used to dominate internal politics and society being adjusted and applied to external victims.
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The Chinese are a strange people. They were a super power once having the most powerful navy in the world. Each of their ships were more than twice as large as the ones by Columbus. Yet one day they took it all back and dismantled them after showing it to the world. They visted all along africa and asia. Not particularly to trade but to meet people and gain knowledge. They used to fight Persians and afghans, usually with Indians, but then went back to china, they did not think it fit to rule foreigners or engage with them hence you wont find too many Indian/Chinese couples even if allies. Considering the 4000km border and 4000 year history thats quite a wall there. Indians also fall here, they generally dont find it fit to rule others as they never invaded the Persians or other Asian countries or even Afghanistan. But they had powerful armies, the moguls had 100,000 elephants in their armed forces. They even had a democratic state where most of the inhabitants were killed and that carnage started a path of thinking about the cost of war. If given the chance to fight or flee they will flee.. But if cornered they will fight and given the choice to convert or die they will choose death hence even after so many Muslim invasions, only 25% or so of the population is Muslim. Fighting just for the sake of fighting is not considered a way of life. Even the armed militants who fought the British were considered subordinate to Gandhi who did not believe in fighting. Even if most people did not believe that non violence against a violent colonial race was any kind of a viable medium of diplomacy. IE Gandhi did not get anything out of the British. BUT others were always subordinate to Gandhi and it was them who did all the diplomatic talk and agreements. How that works is beyond me. But this entire history of fighting for peace after bloody peace is totally baffling. And how one of the greatest and most ruthless emperors in the world who conquered most of india turned to non-violence and a follower of Buddha stared all this weirdo practice of there is more to life than war.. It is sometimes tough with so many invasions so it gets lost for a while but it always comes back.. The Tibetans never learnt this and the drawbacks and hence got crushed by the Chinese. The Indians learnt, there is nothing better than gold when the going gets tough. But remember, The Chinese always considered The Tibetans their vassals. They would not bother with them if they were not thought of as worth their time. It is kind of a privileged position. Not everyone can be in the servitude of the superior race. Not even the Koreans.. Although they are considered distant cousins.. kind of like pets.. a nuisance and needs constant attention and feeding..