Best of Amazing Beautiful Stunning Epic Modern Classic Ancient Soviet Moscow

Martin from Soviet East-Berlin on April 26, 2016 · at 2:40 am EST/EDT

Where is the spirit of real Moscow now?

Moscow nights/ Podmoskovniye Vechera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFucbIpEFoM&list=RDBFucbIpEFoM#t=58

Red Army Choir – The March of the Defenders of Moscow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XfYp6i_fE

Isn’t it a Billionaire’s city now, one of the most expensive and class divided of the world?
The poor live outsite in the satellite settlements or come from far away from the countryside to work at some underpaid jobs (either they need to travel in every day or weekly).

Martin from S.E.B. on April 26, 2016 · at 2:56 am EST/EDT

Attention: The translation is pretty much crap in the first video (Moscow nights/ Podmoskovniye Vechera). But I wanted to quickly find one which has ENG subs for the broader audience.
Scott on April 26, 2016 · at 3:00 am EST/EDT

Martin,

I am not a billionaire, neither my parents, or my relatives, or their friends, or their relative’s friends. We all live in Moscow. Population of Moscow is over 12 million people.

The picture you depict is just not true. Most billionaires live in the US and the UK. You travel there often. Tell us how oligarchs and Saudis live there.
- Martin from S.E.B. on April 26, 2016 · at 3:35 am EST/EDT
  
  Scott,
  
  > You travel there often.
  
  What?
  I was in the USA once in my life in 2007 because Sun Microsystems innvited me and paid me the flights and hotels (and I repeatedly stated that I will __never__ ever go there again) .
  
  In London I only changed planes on the way to/from China via Russia, yes, sounds silly, but I have to turn the Penny more than twice – it was the cheapest price.
  
  I’m glad to hear Moscow is a normal city.
  But I find it sometimes difficult to believe it.
  
  I never said it is worse there in terms of income inequality compared to the rest of the (western) world. But the point is: Is it still better, as it once was?
  
  I chatted with Moscow girls in 2008 and 2001, In 1996 I had a gf that originally came from Smolensk when she was 2yo, she still visits her grandma twice per year and I’m still in regular contact with her.
  My East-german parents visited Moscow several times on komandirovkas in the 1970ties and 1980ties, especially in 1973 – 3 weeks in a row, during the intl sports event that took place in East-Berlin in 1973 my parents were in Moscow.
  
  Several movies show wealth that I know personally from Ukraine, but in Russia it is the same.
  
  I listened to most KPRF events of recent years. And don’t deny that there is inequality and poverty.
  I never said [only] in Russia. But [also] in Russia.
  Please read carefully and don’t claim things I never wrote.
- Martin from Soviet East-Berlin on April 26, 2016 · at 3:49 am EST/EDT
  
  Ouch, should read: 2011, rather than 2001.
  
  Also I forgot to mention that 50 Thousand Russians live here in my quarter of Berlin and 15 to 20 Russians in the same house number as myself
  Also, as I wrote earlier, I met a Russian woman in the Tramway just this winter.
  And I have had many conversations about the situation. Whenever I told them I want to migrate to Russia they told me that life is much more expensive and difficult there.
  
  Same on love.mail.ru if you ask Russian girls living in Berlin if they would join me moving to Russia.
  
  Also, see this:
  
  /president-putin-met-with-journalists-following-the-direct-line-april14th-2016/#comment-230367
  
  /president-putin-met-with-journalists-following-the-direct-line-april14th-2016/comment-page-1/#comment-230498
  
  I don’t know everything and never claimed to.
  But this is my reality of personal experiences.
  If I am wrong, then the better it is.
  - Peter AU on April 26, 2016 · at 5:50 am EST/EDT
    
    @Martin
    I have always judged people by what they are rather than by ideology or religion. Looking at your past comments you seem to judge countries by how communist they are. Communism is not the be all and end all of goodness. It is the people that count. On most other things in your comments I would agree with you.
    But this judging societies on how communist they are…. communism as an ideology, so far just a blip in history…
    Looking at data, Russia has the second biggest immigrant intake behind US. That speaks volumes.
    - Uncle Bob 1 on April 26, 2016 · at 6:14 am EST/EDT
      
      On the last point you talked about. I’m not sure that is a totally good thing. I don’t have a problem with immigration as such. I’ve often considered it myself. And my country and some others were founded on immigration. But its important that a country be careful of having too much immigration. And of the immigrants being able to assimilate into the culture of the country they move to. As we see in the US today. And what we are seeing in Europe now also,when you let immigration run wild you can have a multitude of problems. Russia needs to not fall into that same trap. They have a distinctive traditional culture. Mass immigration from countries with very different cultures could lead to problems they don’t need now.
      - Martin from S.E.B. on April 26, 2016 · at 6:46 am EST/EDT
        
        100% true
        
        Also, most importantly: “Quality” of immigration (education, culture).
        What Peter wrote made it sound as if he never read the news in recent months.
        Australia, Canada and the USA perform a selection (yes, same term is in Auschwitz) and they only take those with their fake green cards “lottery” which they find useful to the “market economy”.
        
        Where are all the “Syrian” “Doctors”, “Professors” and “Nuclear energy engineers” that the MSM claimed would come?
        
        Immigration is all nice and well, but not an invasion of hostile materialistically driven breeds who will never integrate into any european society, not in 1 year, not in 50 years, not in 1000 years.
        
        The Uigures in China or the Bosnians in Serbia show that I don’t exaggerate.
        Muslims (like jews) never ever integrate. NEVER. They keep their own language, script, dishes, music, insist on maintaining their own schools, clothing etc. and so on.
        
        The majority jews are at least highly skilled. Sadly they hardly used their talent to help their host nations …
        
        I don’t want to generalize too much. There are always exceptions. But I think it is clear what we are talking about.
    - Martin from S.E.B. on April 26, 2016 · at 6:32 am EST/EDT
      
      Hi Peter,
      
      thanks for your comment.
      But wtf?
      
      > immigrant intake behind US
      
      After all that happened since last year in Europe you don’t at least try to put the EU into your equation of “immigrant intake”?
      
      Is Australia too far away to notice where the major migration wave is occuring?
      How many Syrian migrants has the US accepted in comparision – 1 or 2?
      Like when the USA sent Ocean-liners full of jews back to Nazi-Germany because they didn’t take them!
      
      Ah, btw: Many Mexicans are meanwhile returning to Mexico. The USA had to increase the costs for ending USA citizenship last year, because more and more USA citizens no longer want to be USA passport holders!
      
      Also, what quality does it describe if any economic block has a higher number of (wannabe) immigrants than others? That it is a colonial power?!
      The 1 Million of DonBass immigrants wanted to run for their lives, that’s why they came to Russia. Also salaries are higher there than in Ukraine (well, very difficult to match this criteria).
      
      Sorry, but what was your point?
      
      Ah yes, I measure countries on their level of being Communist.
      Because as you correctly say: “It is the people that count.”
      
      I could not agree more!
      What you as Westerner may not (and perhaps cannot) know: Ideology does turn people into different human beings. In better ones if the ideology is Leninism/Stalinism.
      
      This made it possible that there were millions of good progressive forward-thinking Germans at times. Sadly this period abruptly ended in 1990.
      
      I like Russsians also if they are not communists, but that’s simply my love for Russia.
      I’m _not_ an internationalist. I support nation states and I identify most with Russia, independently of politics or ideology. But that’s a different story.
      - Peter AU on April 26, 2016 · at 7:39 am EST/EDT
        
        You seem to have taken the US bait Martin. Emigration and mixing always has been and always will be.
        Currently The wahhabi kingdom is trying to export their religion to the world, which happens to coincide with the US led destabilisation of Europe and elsewhere.
        
        All five eyes countries put up walls shortly before the this mass movement started and then called on other countries to take refugees in.
        
        There are still genuine refugees and migrants along with the wahhabi zombies. they just need a bit of drafting out.
        
        A big difference between emigrants that have been background checked and unregulated flows like we are seeing in Europe.
        
        US/ Mexico? Their problem. Nobody has engineered that problem.
        
        Sometimes ideology does blind people. When I say I only look at the person rather than the ideology or religion, I do look to see if they are blinded by ideology or religion. Both ideology and religion are the same. They can be benign, or drive fanatics.
        
        Martin from S.E.B. on April 26, 2016 · at 7:54 am EST/EDT
        
        Peter, Ok.
        Agree with that now.
- Martin from Soviet East-Berlin on April 26, 2016 · at 5:34 am EST/EDT
  
  Regards and thanks to Comrade *gvp* for his sharp mindful wording last week: /president-putin-met-with-journalists-following-the-direct-line-april14th-2016/#comment-230422
  - Martin from S.E.B. on April 26, 2016 · at 6:14 am EST/EDT
    
    (Double post because the old thread is from a week ago)
    
    @•gvp•: Thanks for your long mostly good post which I only saw today (last week I had little time).
    
    I can so far follow you with one bold exception: Smolensk was imho either a real accident (because the drunk polish high-ranks may indeed have forced the pilot to land there despite heavy fog and poor weather conditions), or it was {B} a western intelligence job.
    I stated this here on this site more than 2 years ago. But forget it that Putin or Russia shot them down. The more interesting question must be: How silly can any country be to put its entire ruling class into a single plane … ?
    And who can have organized it that way …
    Definitely not Putin.
    
    Then ask: Who benefitted?
    Response: The West to eternally discredit Russia in Poland and the world.
    
    As for Putin’s black secrets there are other things which would come into mind (at the very beginning 1999/2000), but I don’t know if these rumors are true and so I won’t speak them out.

Peter AU on April 26, 2016 · at 6:17 am EST/EDT

Scott any eastern style music from Russia? Traditional dress and instruments but modern music and video? 130 give or take ethic groups in the Russian federation.
I’m a bit of a bottom feeder when it comes to music. 70’s rock’n roll. But the traditional eastern music with video clips has got me hooked.

Uncle Bob 1 on April 26, 2016 · at 10:39 am EST/EDT

Well if this Ukrainian has his way Moscow might not be a part of Russia:

“Verkhovna Rada Asks the West To “Divide” Russia”

Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Sergey Vysotsky, on the air of TV channel “1+1”, said that now Ukraine and the West must unite to fight against a common enemy. “It is necessary, according to him, to divide Russia,” said Vysotsky. He’s sure that it is possible Crimea and Donbass will return to Ukraine. For this we need to destroy Russian statehood in the form in which it exists.

“That’s why our message to the international agenda, and our task, which now, unfortunately, is not solved, is the needed consolidation around the world for the dismantling of the current Russian state, not especially Putin regime,” he noted.

Only by staging the collapse of the Russian economy, and Russia’s statehood will Kiev be able to realize its cherished dream – “absolutely, without pain, the return of Crimea and the occupied territories. And for this we need to achieve the strategic goal,” – said Vysotsky. In an interview with the program “Right to Rule”, the MP sought to assure viewers that Russia is the enemy. “Without a victory over the enemy and its destruction, we will not be able to take back our property. No conferences will help,” he concluded.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/04/verkhovna-rada-asks-west-to-divide.html

I posted this short article,not just to show one more time how insane the Ukrainian fascists can be. We know that by now I think. But to make another point.Imagine the response in the West if the Russian Duma had said that about Ukraine. That instead of backing unity in Ukraine (at least publicly,they do).The Russians had out and out called to break up the country. Everyday,in every MSM publication ,there would be a “howl” of outrage against Russia for that.And yet somehow they consider it “acceptable” to allow Ukrainians to talk like that about Russia.