South Front
Written and produced by SF Team: J.Hawk, Daniel Deiss, Edwin Watson
On the face of it, an alliance between Turkey and Ukraine seems like a rather odd creation, yet one that may surprisingly durable simply because neither country has anywhere else to turn. What practically dooms them to a partnership if not an outright alliance is their unenviable geographic and geopolitical position of occupying the strange “no man’s land” between Russia, NATO, and the Middle East. It is, of course, largely a predicament of their own making. Ukraine, with considerable Western backing and encouragement but nevertheless mostly through efforts of a faction of its own oligarchy, opted out of the Russia-centered network of loose alliances, trade partnerships, and other forms of cooperation that were mutually beneficial to the two in the previous two decades. But that defection was not rewarded by the West in a way the likes of Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Avakov, Parubiy, and other architects of the Maidan coup expected. Merely being stridently anti-Russian did not prove enough to warrant a shower of US and European cash, only onerous IMF loans which moreover come with conditions Kiev elites are in no hurry to abide by. EU foreign policy chief Josef Borrel lecturing Kiev that the European Union is not an “ATM machine” delivered that point loud and clear: Kiev is supposed to privatize whatever crown jewels its economy still has (at this point, mainly agricultural land), fight corruption of its own elites and facilitate the corruption of Western elites. Joseph Robinette Biden Junior is hardly the only Western politician with a talentless son in need of a lucrative sinecure. There are entire Western companies eager to participate in the thinly disguised plunder that the privatization of Ukraine’s economy will inevitably turn into. A Kiev court’s recent decision to declare the country’s anti-corruption institutions that were painstakingly stood up with considerable aid and tutelage from Western governments, down to screening appropriately-minded individuals for the job, looks as if it were calculated to send a middle-finger gesture to Borrel in terms even dense EU bureaucratic hacks will comprehend. Pro-EU newspapers like Kiev Post were quick to label this a “death of democracy”, presumably with the intent of interesting EU and NATO in sponsoring yet another Maidan since last one seems not to be delivering the goods. The expected shower of Western weaponry has not materialized, probably because NATO is afraid to give Ukraine so much aid that it will risk a full-blown war with Russia.
Erdogan’s Turkey, by contrast, is in process of de-facto opting out of NATO, though neither Turkey nor the alliance itself want to take the final step of severing ties completely. NATO membership is still beneficial to Turkey. While the procurement of Russian S-400 air defense systems angered NATO and US in particular, resulting in the expulsion of Turkey from the F-35 program and the cancellation of F-35 sale to the country, evidently Ankara hopes that by nominally remaining in the alliance it limits NATO and EU sanctions that would no doubt be far harsher if it were totally out of the alliance. The hope that Turkey, possibly post-Erdogan, will yet see the error of its ways and return to the fold, prevents NATO from adopting harsher stances that would definitely push Ankara away. Yet the drifting apart is unmistakable, and the animosity between Turkey’s leaders and their Western European counterparts is so intense as to beggar belief. While Germany’s Merkel is careful to tip-toe around the issue due to fear of another wave of refugees as well as unrest among the large Turkish diaspora in Germany, France’s Macron seems to have taken a personal affront to Erdogan’s suggestion he might need a mental evaluation and will press the issue of EU sanctions against Turkey at future Union summits.
But from Turkey’s perspective, getting a cold shoulder from the EU is par for the course. Its own migration to the geopolitical gray zone of Eurasia was motivated by EU’s failure to admit Turkey as a member after decades of leading it by the nose and promising neighborhood in some nebulously distant future right after Hell froze over. Like Ukraine, Turkey was not seeking EU membership because of some mythical “shared values”. It, too, saw EU as an ATM machine that would shower Turkey, one of the poorest countries on the continent, with development assistance and moreover allow Turks to freely travel and work throughout the Union. Needless to say, neither of these prospects appealed to pretty much any European country, no matter how close or distant it was geographically. So after decades of leading Turkey by the nose, EU politely put an end to the charade citing problems with Turkey’s democracy. Thus snubbed, Erdogan opted to chart an independent course and appears to be finding a similarly snubbed oligarch clique in Kiev looking for ways the two countries could extract mutual benefit from their isolated status.
There are plenty of those to be had, as limited as Ukraine’s and Turkey’s resources are, compared to such patrons as EU, NATO, US. Faced with isolation and even a potential ban on arms exports, Turkey has a strong incentive to exploit the resources of the Ukrainian defense industry and engage in some export substitution in case vital supplies are no longer available from the West. Canada’s and Austria’s ban on exports of optronics and engines needed for the Bayraktar TB2 combat drones means Ukraine’s ability to provide substitutes would be most welcome. Ukraine, for its part, would not be against deploying a huge attack drone fleet of its own in the hopes of replicating Azerbaijan’s successful offensive against Nagorno-Karabakh on the Donbass, though there Ukraine’s drones would probably run afoul of Novorossiya’s air defenses in the same way Turkish drones were brought to heel over Idlib. Turkey’s Altay main battle tank is likewise little more than an assembly of components imported from other countries, particularly Germany. Since Germany has already placed a ban on export of powerpacks and transmissions for the Altay, Turkey has been casting about for replacements, looking as far as China. Whether Ukraine’s developments in this realm can be adopted to rescue the Altay project remain to be seen. However, the Oplot powerpacks and transmissions can probably be adapted to Altay use, resulting in Turkey realizing its goal of a home-grown MBT. Ultimately, the greater the contribution of Ukrainian defense industry to Turkey’s military modernization, the more freedom of action it would bestow on Turkey and make it less dependent on other foreign sources of military hardware who can exert influence over Turkey simply by withholding future technical support. If the United States were to follow up on the F-35 expulsion with a ban on servicing Turkish F-16s which form the mainstay of its airpower, the result would be crippling of the country’s air combat capabilities that drones cannot compensate for and which would be sorely missed in any confrontation with another comparable power like Greece. Turkey’s efforts to develop an indigenous fighter aircraft would benefit from Ukraine’s technological contributions and its own interest in indigenous aircraft designs. For Ukraine, the relationship would be an opportunity to acquire NATO-compatible weaponry with the caveat that it would have to pay in full for every last drone, either with cash or in kind. Turkey’s economic situation is not so strong as to allow largesse in the form of free military aid to anyone.
Mitigating against the long-term development of what Zelensky referred to as “strategic partnership” with Turkey is the erratic behavior of Erdogan who seeks to dominate any and all partners and tries to see how far he can push before the partners push back. This practice has led to the confrontations in Syria, Libya, and eastern Mediterranean. Ukraine, in contrast to Russia, France, and even Greece, is hardly in a position to push back. The most dangerous aspect of Turkish politics, from Ukraine’s perspective, is the ideology of Pan-Turkism that just might transform Ukraine’s Tatar community into a proxy force for Turkey right inside Ukraine, adding yet another fissure to the already fractured political picture. On the plus side, Erdogan does not appear interested in “combating corruption” in Ukraine, though that does not preclude the possibility Turkey’s military collaboration with Ukraine might not cost Ukraine dearly, though not to the same extent as EU-promoted privatization efforts.
‘Chicken Kiev’..of the Ukraine…(excuse the pun..)
sits on some of the worlds most fertile and productive soils
which are now under the inevitable mismanagement and plunder of John Deere, Monsanto, Cargyle etc., and of course the Biden Clan..
Before Midan the Chinese had rented millions of hectares (exact number??) of this Chernozyl (Black soil) and were then kicked out.
Please remember, Russia as well as Western Europe are again recording high temperatures for 2020 with low harvests in Germany (only 84 million to feed right!!). No wonder Angie Merkel remarked on Germany*s future that lies to the east (official German Foreign Policy review covered on this site..)with NATO-CIA etc., continued heavy overt and covert involvement in Ukraine..
Back in 1941 Adolf was also most interested in the Ukraine harvest..
At least Russia will hopefully maintain decent harvests for the next few years, in spite of methane burps, Siberian fires and snowless months…
Pasha Erdogan has 80 million plus Turks (incl. Kurds and Syrian refugees) who will also need more than tomatoes and veggies as sustenance.
And the Ukrainian agricultural harvests for 2019 and 2020!!??
Bonaparte.. *An army marches on its stomach!!’
with the German-English Duke of whatever, remarking back in 1980s how the major issue is *over-population* and his hoped reincarnation as a VIRUS..
Now and again perhaps, this site could refer to relevant climatic and agricultural issues .. not just political, military and strategic Grand Games..
svenro,
I am sure you are a smart guy so I am concerned that the MSM seems to have done an excellent job on you. :-)
1- When the climate is warmer, crops improve.
2- When there is more CO2, crops improve. Currently, CO2 is around 0.04% of the atmosphere. Trivial. At around 0.02%, crops cannot grow. Furthermore, there is 50 times as much CO2 in the sea as there is in the atmosphere. When the climate warms up (it is cyclical and largely depends on the sun), CO2 is released from the oceans – with a delay of 800 years.
3- The temperature of Europe in January has been dropping for 30 years:
“Europe Cooling…Weather Service Data Show Falling January Mean Temperatures Over Past 30 Years”
http://notrickszone.com/2018/02/09/europe-cooling-weather-service-data-show-falling-january-mean-temperatures-over-past-30-years/
4- The highest point in Germany, close to Austria, Switzerland and France, has had a cooling February temperature for 30 years. See this chart.
https://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Germany-Feb-temp-2018-768×473.png
5- Glaciers in New Zealand are advancing.
“Glacier, Ice Sheet Melt Rates Slowing!”
http://notrickszone.com/2016/04/14/climatologists-stunned-and-baffled-new-scientific-studies-show-glacier-ice-sheet-melt-rates-rapidly-decelerating/
6- The highest recorded temperatures at old weather stations in Australia are from the 19th century. By putting new weather stations in the uninhabited Australian desert, the Australia Bureau of Meteorology has been able to claim that the “average” temperature is rising. :-)
“Smoke And Deception Blanket Australia: NASA GISS Fudges Data, Cooling Turns Into Warming”
https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/03/smoke-and-deception-blanket-australia-nasa-giss-fudges-data-australian-cooling-turns-into-warming/
7- The Romans did not have motor cars and did not use coal. But the Romans had vineyards in Yorkshire – in the north of England. Ever wondered why? Were they utterly stupid?
“Yorkshire at heart of England’s wine boom ‘“ yet it all dates back to the Romans”
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/lifestyle/food-and-drink/yorkshire-heart-englands-wine-boom-yet-it-all-dates-back-romans-1778772
8- The sea ice north of Russia is not so thick. Agreed. But how do you think ice melts when the air temperature is below zero? It has everything to do with the currents. The ice melts from below. Additionally, water is a far better conductor of heat than air. You can stand naked in still air at 15C for quite some time. Try to do that in water at 15C
Please do some research. I wish you good luck.
If I may add some things to enlighten people who bought onto the idea that the world is getting so hot we will die. Well, any one who bothers to read about geophysical events will find out that Earth had no less than three ice ages. Last one took from 25,000 to 9,000 to melt. The last one was so bad it caused half of Greece to collapse under the weight of water. Sea Water level is said to go up somewhere between 50-150m. It is a very big secret (conspiracy?) that some Greek archeologists find deep sunken walls in the Aegean Sea.
Greece had tropical climate few million years ago check out this baby ape found in Thessaly. The baby was aged at 7.2mln years: Στο φως μετά από 7 εκατ. χρόνια
https://www.taxydromos.gr/G.Ydraiou/187200-sto-fws-meta-apo-7-ekat-xronia.html
Not to get to boring, there is an evidence that Northen Greece was home of some animals not found in Europe today, but ones that lived in tropics like huge elephants, rhinoceroses, large cats, etc, and other extinct today.
Svenro, While Alfred took care of your “global warming” problem. I want to comment on coupe of things.
1. You meant chernozem – black earth (soil), I guess.
2. You did not mean Chernobyl, I hope, which I am pretty sure is still not-inhabitable.
Check out this Ukrainian video, just in case you want to move there.
Радіаційні мутанти Чорнобиля
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MBgDoPz_As
Very interesting (took ages to load).
From the bridge of a vessel in the middle of the Black Sea a collaboration between Ukraine and Turkey looks like a no-brainer—i.e., not on the periphery of the ME, Europe, and Russia, but forming the periphery of a strategic body of water that others far from this periphery would like to maintain access to, and even control . . .
UA was recently denied an emergency tranche from the EU, having over-extended with the IMF, and is basically broke.. It will receive no more combat drones from Turkey on credit, though their partner in crime, Biden, may shower them with the military hardware to ramp up a surge in the Donbas..
The main thing is that The Sultan of Swing views Israel’s complete immunity as a green light for him to try it on.. He has backed down the EU, NATO, Trump, & for the most part Russia.. His Tatar link is with the Crimean clan, not Ukrainian, so will force Mr Putin to send him another reminder..
Turkey’s economy is in dire straits, and will be ripe for sanctions, if Erdogan continues his Israeli-like rogue behaviour..
You should also mention that this project is masterminded in London.
First former UK envoy to Turkey was named the head of MI6 ( https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/former-envoy-to-turkey-named-as-new-head-of-mi6-156989)
then UK pilots were training Turkey pilots after learning about Russian defenses of Crimea.
(https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36190/b-52-bombers-fly-unprecedented-patrol-along-edge-of-russian-controlled-territory-in-ukraine and https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36190/b-52-bombers-fly-unprecedented-patrol-along-edge-of-russian-controlled-territory-in-ukraine).
Finaly encouraging Erdogan to turn east to Azerbaijan
(https://www.voltairenet.org/article211746.html) and Central Asia republics with Turkic population (https://www.voltairenet.org/article211746.html) UK is preparing another Hitler to attack Russia. Just as it did in 1938.
Turkey’s turn east has been discussed since the mid 80s, especially with the dissolution of the USSR. This is not necessarily a “pan-Turkism” in the Enver Pasha sense, but a re-uniting of the Turkic people’s through a common culture and language. Although political connections will be considered as well. Of course, this turn east in the 80s has been used by the US through the Gülen movement to try and foment a “green revolution” in Central Asia, but this was unsuccessful.
The main advantage for Turkey turning east is China’s BRI initiative. It is in this area where Turkey and other Turkic people’s can benefit themselves immensely both economically and culturally. Instead of looking solely to Ukraine (although they can do so), Turkey really needs to look more to Russia and China for its technological and economic aid. Of course, it still needs to maintain a connection with the “West”, especially, since it has become very dependent upon it due to its efforts to enter the EU and its membership in NATO.
Turkey’s future is to look East, where the Turkic people’s originated.
“You should also mention that this project is masterminded in London.”
Yes, UK is also working directly with Ukrainians. Zelensky had a meeting with the head of British intelligence MI6, Richard Moore, after that he made a speech and announced he will create a better Ukrainian army with the newest weapons which will protect them on land, on water, in the air and in cyberspace.
Among other things, Ukraine is starting the construction of two naval bases in the Black Sea region under the guidance and strict control of the American and British military, one base in the port of Ochakov in the Nikolaev region and the other one in the port of Yuzhny, 30 kilometers east of Odessa.
A week after Zelensky’s speech, British divers arrived in Ochakov, and American divers arrived in Yuzhny.
The US and UK Have Started Building NATO Naval Bases in Ukraine
https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-us-and-uk-have-started-building-nato-naval-bases-in-ukraine/
…It is interesting that Ukrainian “law enforcement” immediately began to fuss in the wake of the Americans. The SBU and the Interior Ministry immediately discovered and significantly covered up drug trafficking in the port worth tens of millions of dollars. I.e., for the sake of “foreign partners”, the most abundant cash flows that fed the SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the region were covered up. Moreover, the investigators of the National Anti-corruption Bureau of Ukraine have already found violations in tenders for more than 48 million hryvnias in the port. The port is clearly being cleared of business for subsequent transfer to the American.
As for Ochakov, 30 British soldiers examined not only the port itself, but also the surrounding area, including the airport and the Black Sea shipyard. The British plan to create a fully-fledged military base here. The attention of the British was attracted by the old Soviet facility on the island of Maysky, which, apparently, will be used by them as the main base point. They are ready to take on huge costs to create a fully-fledged military base in the region. …
…The military base in Ochakov will create a whole department for the information fight against Russian influence, which will be supervised by the Americans and the British. This department will be launched in 2021 and will be fully funded by western partners. …
However, the Constitution of Ukraine prohibits foreign bases on its territory. But so what? In order not to conflict with the basic law, the bases will be called Ukrainian. In fact, these will be fully-fledged NATO bases. Where the Ukrainian military will clearly be shown their place. Somewhere on the outer perimeter. … In other words, the so-called military cooperation between Ukraine and NATO countries is moving to a new level right before our eyes. …
Yes. I just learned about that too.
The recent Azeri-Armenian war with Turkish input went “well” for the US Zion Team. Turkey,as the main player for Zion team, has shown no fears of Russia, is going the next step, which is to take from Russia itself. Crimea is a big part of Turkish imaginary “lands” from the past to recapture. I thought it would go that way, it seems to be going that way. Whatever happened to the “serious” Covid thing? It seems to be just a ploy for war games while people are “afraid” wearing masks>
Actually American/Soros/Pashinyan team lost to UK/Turkey/Israel/Azerbaijani team.
This scenario is largely due to Putin’s incompetence. First, the Russian special services knew that the American NGOs were “re-educating” western Ukraine’s youth to hate the Moskals since the early 90s. Next, as Maidan movement progressed it was ripe to be used as a tool to overthrow the Yanukovich government. Yet, very little was done to prevent the escalating events. Once, Yanukovich was gone and Yatseniuk installed, Putin reacted by protecting Crimea but Donbass was left to its own defenses.
What Putin should’ve done is once military actions by Ukrainian army began, the Russian armed forces should have walked roughshod over them in a matter of days and push them back to the western bank of the Dniepr river and stop. This would have secured Mariupol, Odessa, and majority of the Black Sea coast.
Sure there would have been costs. The “west” would have imposed sever economic sanctions. There would have been a few deaths, probably in low 1000s. But that would be it. The “west” would not have risked military action against Russia due to obvious reason. The economic sanctions were imposed anyway and over 10,000 deaths incurred.
The result would be that all this nonsense with Turkey and NATO in Ukraine wouldn’t be in conversation. NATO would be much more careful in pushing Russia.
At this stage it’s too late. Ukraine will become NATO’s stomping grounds and Donbass and Crimea will be constantly under a threat. The costs of negating any of these pressures will be enormous.
Let’s hope that Russia’s leadership is much more resolute going forward.
Cheers,
Crazycar
Very well stated.. The disrespect and harsh sanctions against Russia couldn’t be any worse had Russia actually done anything to warrant them.. As it stands, Syria is the only campaign in which Mr Putin actively engaged, with Libya a minor recent blip..
We will never know the details of the pact which Mr Putin has with the Sultan of Swing, but it plays a major role in the current regional strategies..
Completely agree with your nice concise analysis.
Very good article, but when you cite “Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Avakov, Parubiy, and other”, you forget Kolomoisky.
Presumably Erdogan isnottoo disatisfied with two new USA and UK Mafo bases being d3veloped on the south coast of Ukraine is Turkey is till in Nato….so Ukraine will still benefit from Nato funding and the encouragement that they wish to be a thorn in Russia’s side if not further confrontational to say they have masterly control over the western side of rhe Black Sea…possibly affecting Transnysyria situation.
Yes there are certainly black holes in Ukraine economy ….but also surely the inherent corruption is something that Erdogan can profit from.
The West has created GMO seeds that only replicate after a certain number of seasons. Then the crops go barren until the target country bends to the will of the hegemon. This happening to Ukraine’s bread basket will have geo-political implications. The demon seeds could also drift east into Russian crops.
London always has a role in stirring up political instability. It has doing that to Europe for thousands of years, but also does it to its lost territories, like the U.S. in its civil war, the war of 1812, the assassination of Lincoln, and the religious terrorism on the Indian continent.
The expensive military bases being built in the Ukraine for NAT0 will have to be countered with asymmetrical hypersonic missile bases in Russia similar to the China Sea. The West is not concerned that this activity will put the next war on a hair trigger. They think that they are only risking their patsies in eastern Europe, like what Britain did to Poland before WW2.
Putin has handled this situation well. He drew the red line with Crimea and enforced it. He is supporting people in the Donbass who are committed to defending their land with military and economic aid. He has limited resources which he has to use wisely. Not interfering with NAT0’s expensive and ineffective campaigns while Russia grows stronger, as it has in the last 20 years, is correct. China has the same policy. Both countries know what real war is and are not as cavalier as the West is in risking it.
Many thanks Charles Carroll, info on GMOs in Ukraine.
Drones/drone swarms spreading Plant and Animal diseases/Plant pathology of past, present and rehashed in labs has already started and will become one of the mainstays of plus 2021 hybrid attacks on Russia, Belyoruss, China etc.,
Increased temperatures and unpredictable extremes (Rossby curves & messed up Jetstreams in Northern hemisphere) could play to both Russia’s advantage and disadvantage…!!
How many 1000 kms of Russian borders with major cereal, livestock and other cultures in close proximity but also within flying distance of NATO-CIA Drone Swarm launch points (land and airborne) is certainly going to keep the Russians and Chinese on their toes. (AI, GIS & Matlab combined to shed some light..)
Russia and China have developed Drone Swarm radar/ECM systems…cost of network covering 1000 kms !!??
Still want to believe that maximising crop/bio-diversity, intercropping, diversified ground cover, improving soil microbiology and agroforestry etc., while minimising MONOCULTURES would be to Russia’s advantage. Also more cost effective and sustainable..
Me too, confident in Putin and the Russian ability to let the hungry NATO vassal states again shoot themselves in both feet!!
Quote.. Sir (Burp) Kissinger – get rid of the useless eaters and a starving population is under complete control..Applies to both sides of the fence, mate!!!
The journalistic ballet of completely overlooking the elephant in the Ukrainian / Biden living-room is quite the show. Who are are these mentioned “….architects of the Maidan coup….” other than nobodies, pawns and stooges of my very own US of A and of a potentially incoming Democratic Party figurehead of a president? Is it so easy to neglect mention of the John Kerry U.S. Dept of State, Victoria Nuland’s boasted $5 Billion USD, and my own late Senator McCain’s inciting of violence on the Maidan? It remains to be seen if this strange form of whitewashing will be sufficient for perpetuating the Empire’s crime spree by clouding the memories of what my USA did to Ukraine.