Dear friends,
172 comments since yesterday, so I decided to give you a new (kinda) open thread here.
As for me, I few very short comments.
First, turns out that the Idiot-in-Chief outdid himself yesterday. First, he *DID* mention cargo from Europe, then he made a 180: now he says that cargo will not be affected. Next time somebody asks me why I call him the Idiot-in-Chief, I will simply point to this latest sign that he is clueless.
Next, there were A LOT of comments yesterday about the virus being engineered. They were often delivered with a great deal of gravitas, but with exactly ZERO evidence. I don’t want to ban these comments, but from now on I ask you to limit yourselves to a) fact based and b) logically developed comments, okay?
Also, please be nice or, at least, polite, to those who have a different opinion or who disagree with you. The truth is that NONE OF US really knows for a fact what this virus can do, we are all guessing. So let’s be at least friendly to our truth-seeking fellow-guessers, please!
That’s it for now. I will probably drop by later in the day.
Hugs and cheers,
The Saker
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599
the usual anti viral vaccines are actually harmful as I read this article with this particular sars-type viral bioweapon. hmmm another one of this pesky “gain of functions” ?
inquiring minds ( not being too flippant) want to know!!
As you said Saker, yesterday the “hot topic in town” dominated conversation, however I do have a query, if you have time.
What is your opinion of the behaviour of “MBS” or the current power man of Saudi Arabia and his arrests left right and centre of his family members? Is this going to affect the oil issues – does it stem from them? Can we read that his behaviour indicates that he has good reason to be afraid of the state of the economy of Saudi Arabia – and if this is so, how is it going to add to the mounting problems of USA?
Thanks
I watched this video yesterday and when I read your comment I thought to share it here, its from a muslim who explained …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jh3vyGJM98
that link doesn’t sound bullish for the petrodollar.
Interesting. Made it almost to the end.
Could all have been said in five minutes, max, but still interesting.
Katherine
News from an Italian guy in Switzerland: situation in Italy is heavy, people are frightened but mostly they are following the instructions to stay at home and limit the visits. And people are also frightened because we do not know exactly how this virus works, how much time this blockade will last, and what we will do after. Our society is no more accustomed to turmoils and lack of reliable information.
On the other side of the Alps, still there are less cases but I want to stress that Italy and rest of Europe are following very different instructions. In Italy, they tested almost everybody at the beginning, and now only people with symptoms but also everybody requesting a test for himself. In Europe, in general they are testing only old people with symptoms, while refusing to test young people. So it is easy that the real number of cases are underestimated. Looking at the numbers, I guess that this underestimation in United States is much larger.
Italian government didn’t want to be blamed, and probably they want to approve some controversial laws during this blockade when nobody will go to protest. They didn’t care about economic damages. Other governments in Europe are more worried for the economy, probably they did a bet to resolve the epidemics while avoiding to discover the real numbers.
Concerning the number of deaths, in Italy is much higher for at least three reasons: lack of beds in the hospitals, heavily reduced due to the austerity with respect to the rest of Europe, an aging population, and the fact that they are ascribing to the virus also deaths occurred probably for previous illnesses in the presence of the virus as concause. In most of other countries, they are not checking after death.
We will hold on, meanwhile let us stay tuned also on big markets collapse and, obviously, on Syria
Thanks for your work!
Best
Everything will be all right, do not panic. That is the prediction from 2008 https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/this-book-predicted-2020-coronavirus-outbreak-12-years-ago-trending-now-1652433-2020-03-04
Just always remember to recite the Naomi mantra “keep calm – and think for yourself”
Well even the people in Italy are not being told the truth, I noticed yesterday that the entire history of “Chinese city’s in Italy’ has now been scrubbed on wiki, I used to live near a chinese city near Florence some 30+ years ago, but the new wiki say’s that the chinese city’s in Italy are only 10 years old. Why are people re-writing history?? ZH has a report that chinese tourists brought the virus to Italy in February, but that’s not true as the factory workers in Italian Chinese city’s were infected in January, and they spread to the Italian people, once the factory’s were closed.
https://www.ecnmy.org/engage/prato-chinese-stuff-look-around/
I think I finally figure out why ‘they’ took out Italy as well as of course Iran&China. It turns out that Italy has the highest concentration of Chinese owned factory’s & City’s in Europe. This is how China get’s vast amount of Euro’s, by running the most popular businesses in Europe ( fashion ).
We know they took out the “Chicago of China” (Wuhan-Hubei), We know they took out Iran, these were logical because USA long ago declared Iran&China ‘enemys of the USA’, but why Italy?
Well in Italy mostly the North and Central most of the manufacturing businesses are now Chinese owned. They started this some 30 years ago, exploiting poor Chinese peasants shipping them to city’s like Prato near Florence, which is-was the textile leader, most of the young girls in time found they could make more money in prostitution. Today there are dozen’s of Chinese City’s in Italy, this is the vector where all the virus in Italy began, they locked down Lombardi and closed the factory’s in January, but many of the Chinese fled. IMHO I think with the lack of work, a lot of the women fell back to Prostitution with the lack of real work, this is why in February there was an astronomic jump in the virus from the Chinese Italian city’s to the common Italian people. In March of course the Gov locked down Italy.
So ‘somebody’ destroyed these rich Chinese company’s in Italy, this is a lot like destroying Hong-Kong last year; Somebody wants to take the air out of the Chinese wealth machine.
Lastly, let’s remember that there are these Chinese city’s all over Africa & Israel, and so far they have not been infected.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/02/italys-biggest-chinese-community-clashes-with-police-near-florence
I think we all agree that something strange is happening. And the population is feeling that, but nobody can guess what, exactly, and this causes fear. The unknown is frightening (and by the way this is why I like to read the websites of the “truth-seeking fellow”).
Sincerely, I was suspicious for the coincidence of infection spikes along the new “belt and road”, starting from China, pivoting to Iran, and arriving in Italy (do not forget, Italy also signed the 5G agreement with Huawei). But supposing that this is a bio-weapon, how can they be sure that it will not turn against the interests of its producer? There were rumors that is was a bio-weapon engineered to hit selectively mostly Asian people, but now it is clear that it affects everybody. And the coincidence of the contagion along the “belt and road” is explained by the fact that the belt and road is already efficiently working with people and goods traveling along it.
Thus, now I share the cautious attitude of The Saker in this case. Simply I don’t know. But I am sure that Chinese Intelligence knows, and if this was a deliberate attack, they will retaliate somehow. We will see.
“But supposing that this is a bio-weapon, how can they be sure that it will not turn against the interests of its producer? ”
Remember the sorcerer’s apprentice.
Remember Pandora’s box.
Remember unintended consequences.
Remember chickens come home to roost.
I desperately hope and pray that this illness not a bioweapon. That Dr. Michael Olsterholm is right.
But it is not unrealistic to speculate that it is a bioweapon—that power- and control-hungry people will stop at nothing to get to where they want to be and to punish or eliminate those who thwart them.
Remember Dallas.
Remember Tonkin.
Remember 9/11.
Remember the anthrax attacks after 9/11 but before the Iraq invasion.
Remember the Skripals.
Remember Russiagate.
Remember regime change in Honduras, Libya, Iraq, Syria, ad nauseam.
Remember Assange and Chelsea Manning.
What should these sorts of interventions not be scaled up, the thinking might go.
They seemed to work pretty well in the past.
Katherine
In no language on this planet does “Chinese cities” translate the way you’re using the term. Chinese cities exist in China. Not outside it! The great Wall was built to keep people out. There’s no language where City=community. The very article you link mentions Chinese communities. Methinks you’re trolling with the sinophobia. Destroyed Hong Kong last year? I think not. I suggest you visit off guardian to get better quality links to post here. Enough with the anti China bullshit.
italy guy’s post isn’t anti-chinese; it’s explaining why italy was hit by the, possibly, the cia/mossad.
Portugal is just about owned by the Chinese! Our energy company 96%, huge multi million mansions, many Chinese bazaars in every city and town and news of lots of corruption originating in the govt. They don’t have to pay tax in first 5 years either
As a child in South Africa in the 1950s it was already the same there.
Vergonha. Shame on you. I have lived in portugal for years, my mother is Portuguese still lives there. First of all, you sold your state holdings to the highest bidder and it’s Angola that bought your country. Sweet sweet revenge. Second of all you seem to be describing the golden Visa which every country offers. All credibility was lost after that. You’re just obfuscating. You even give as an example apartheid SA? That sinophobia again
I’m curious. Are most of the ones being treated in Italian hospitals chinese?
Hey Cris,
So first off – the Swiss at least do check the already diseased, just today a 32-year old dead was announced as a COVID-19 victim, she had already passed away and was tested after. I think lethality is obviously an interesting question for many that’s why it gets so much attention but at this stage cannot be ascertained as numbers are still rising. Data from China may also not be fully reliable.
Hi
I will not be surprised if real numbers in China are larger for a factor two or three with respect to the real one, but also in Europe I wonder how many cases of old people already sick were not checked, especially in the previous weeks. I know personally of a case in Denmark, where authorities refused to check a sick Italian guy with mild symptoms, they just said him stay at home.. you can image how worried are people in contact with him not knowing if expecting a simple flu o this virus..
In Switzerland, the situation is evolving rapidly, yesterday announced that schools, university courses, but also discos etc.. will be closed. It is not a complete blockade like in Italy, but gradually they are imposing restrictions and people are preparing for it, yesterday the I saw many empty shelves at the supermarket.
Anyone who names their new and interesting strains of influenza the same way they name their machine guns is immediately suspect (H1N1, M16A2).
Especially when they use the msm to push completely useless and costly vaccines, that only they can provide, every six months or so, for many years now.
My observation may not count as documented evidence, but it is pretty well visibly observable.
If I were an official investigator, I would start with the cdc, and every single corporation with which it has exchanged even the smallest amount of money.
I would research the West African Ebola epidemic and the involvement of military organizations who found their love for humanity in helping out there; it reminded me about how much research they put into understanding the radiation effects of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was also sponsored by the Energy Department.
If I remember it correctly, one outbreak happened in convenient proximity to one of their hospitals which was built before the outbreak.
Also there’s a lot of DARPA sponsoring of startups in the biological/genetics space as well. Have a look at this video, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy_qEWLI4Qw
Maybe this is just a militarized worldview but to me it looks quite dangerous and like a sales pitch to the Pentagon….
Check out Professor Francis Boyle.
He has a few interviews out on yt on the coronavirus.
He cites scientific publications that anyone with access to a university libary can confirm.
Two things I learned about NCV19 that seem most significant.
1) When it is in upper respiratory it is mild. When it gets into the lungs it is severe.
2) Warm temperatures kill it.
Conclusions:
The tactic needed is to keep it out of the lungs.
1) Drink hot tea or coffee. Liberally.
2) Minimize acetaminophen and NSAIDs. Allow fever. Bundle up. Stay warm and keep room warm and humid.
3) Sleep sitting up or at least with bed raised.
These are good advices for handling any kind of flu and are known to those who follow herbal medicine.
http://archive.aweber.com/herbal-legacy/ORbI_/h/Doomsday_for_Coronavirus.htm
The School of Natural Healing & Christopher Publications
March 4, 2020
Doomsday for Coronavirus David Christopher, M.H.
In my last newsletter (2/5/20) I presented how to avoid the coronavirus and not be ill-affected by hysterical media. I should also warn against hysterical politicians. We do not need a political Henny Penny clucking about a falling viral sky and wanting 8 billion dollars to stop it. We need to personally be prepared with a six-week supply of food and supplies for quarantine, mandatory or self-imposed. We do not want to be controlled by the same professionals that currently have 14,000 deaths nationally from influenza so far this year.
In my last article, I explained why viruses are not subject to anti-biotics. I explained that your immune system destroys these invaders. Let me emphasize that only your immune system can save you from corona or any other viral infection. Your best defense is a healthy immune system. Immunity is bolstered with fresh raw produce and
impaired with highly processed junk food.
The first line of defense for your immune system is the thin layer of mucus that covers and protects all tissues that line the entrance orifices of your body. Macrophages and other white blood cells can enter this thin layer of mucus and devour invading viruses and present the invader’s genetic code to T-helper cells that activate
T-Killer cells. This signaling is accomplished through the chemical messenger Interleukin-1. This immune activating signal also elevates the body temperature set-point, triggering a fever. This life-saving mechanism amplifies the immune response and impairs the invading viruses. The worst thing you can do, in a fever inducing disease, is to take a drug to stop the fever (aspirin, Tylenol, etc.). The drug interferes with the interleukin-1, stopping the fever which consequently shuts
down your immune response. Therefore, you cannot adequately rid yourself of the invading virus.
This thin layer of mucus traps all incoming viruses then sluffs off running the invaders out of the nose and being coughed out of the lungs. This is when you are most contagious, so stay home. Remember you do not want to stop your body from working by taking cough suppressant or suppressing the running
nose.
As the immune system kicks into high gear the mucus thickens with the debris of destroyed viruses and damaged white blood cells. At this point, we encourage expectoration. We boil a pan of water, remove it from the heat, spray into the boiled water certain essential oils, which are contained in Dr. Christopher’s M.P.R formula and inhale the
steam and MPR deep into our sinuses and lungs, which stimulates coughing and blowing the waste out of our bodies.
If the waste stays in then pneumonia sets in, and that is what kills people.
If you catch the flu or any other fever triggering virus help the body with the juices mentioned in the last article, keep well hydrated (the body controls temperature through perspiration), do the steam procedure with the MPR, drink raspberry leaf tea, take Dr. Christopher’s famous anti-plague formula, employ Dr. Christopher’s
fever treatment (found in his Herbal Home Health Care book), and don’t take an aspirin that stops a fever.
With the proper education taught at The School of Natural Healing or found in Dr. Christopher’s books and by applying the principles therein, you can have the confidence that I have (I can sleep when the wind blows). Then when some Henny Penny tries to scare you with an impending apocalypse you can, like me, kick back and sing the words
to the famous song, “Don’t Worry be Happy.”
David Christopher is a Master Herbalist and the director of The School of Natural Healing. He also co-hosts the popular radio show “A Healthier You” and is a popular international teacher and lecturer.
David Christopher and his school is all about money. Just a call to the school will proof my point!
I don’t know about that, but what I do know is that all knowledge is from their father, John Christopher, who was exceptional man and definitely not about money.
@Abe, I agree with you. Even though I have never met Dr, Christopher, I consider him one of my teachers, He was exceptional!
Don’t rule out that they may be all about money, and yet dispense good advice.
Like most doctors, come to think of it.
To strengthen the immune defense:
Elderberry syrup
Oil of oregano
garlic
iodine
intermittent fasting
sunshine
vitamin C
all cheap and easy.
The virus is wise !
Cloudy head – can’t think
aches and pains – can’t move
“i’m coming down with a cold”
can’t breathe well – anaerobic
net, net:
take it easy, don’t breath deeply, become anaerobic – the virus likes that.
my response – feel tired or achy ? exercise !
Drop down and to 12, 20, 24 push ups
or pull ups
every morning i do hard core non stop work out 20 minutes – which is an immune system stressor, but, then i eat a lot of protein and some sugars ( which help protein assimilation )
so it is simple : fight it off !
One has to be careful with oil of oregano.For someone who has not used it before, even a single drop can be too strong. It is a good idea to ad ginger, chili peppers, turnip and onions and radish to the list above.
Read the info: 5 drops in a small glass of water is what you need in a day. Also, get used to “gasoline” smell. It works great though.
“all cheap and easy”.
Especially fasting!
Yeah, right. Just crush all the special ‘anti-plague herbs’ up in a pestle and mortar and put them in a leather beak for 24 hour protection.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Plague_doctors%27_beak_shaped_mask.png
And use a zinc lozenge every day to prevent the virus from getting a start in the throat.
Yes, many people do indeed believe that coronavirus was engineered, myself included. The Chinese were initially accused of being responsible for the virus because of their fondness of eating bat soup, the bats creating the virus. Strange accusation. If true, then coronavirus should have appeared in China many times during past centuries. Apparently it did not. Just to remind readers that during the 1980’s AIDS was (and try not to laugh) attributed to monkeys, and not to scientists at Fort Dietrich, who no doubt created AIDS.
After the initial accusation, the Chinese were accused of permitting the virus to escape from a laboratory in Wohan, with no proof being offered. To make matters worse, contradictory articles appeared on the Internet regarding the virus, with some experts stating that so far this virus has killed fewer people worldwide than the common flu did in the US during 2019.
Personally I do believe that the virus was engineered. It initially appears in China, which does have a border with Russia, and one that the Russians closed to prevent the spread of the virus. I believe that someone is not pleased with the current Russian-Chinese economic alliance. Sending both the virus seems quite logical.
The virus spreads, with Italy getting an above average number of cases, which I, and others, find strange. Was somebody angry with Italy for showing such a huge interest in the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative ? I do believe that here we have geopolitics played with a dirty hand.
I also thought this, especially as Iran was quickly (and hard) hit in Qom. Four countries at odds with the USA. Coincidence? Maybe, but then there were US troops in the Wuhan area for an exercise just prior to the breakout. No one can say but it does seem odd.
There is a huge chinese clothing industry in north of Italy with lot of chinese workers producing clothes ”made in Italy”. There is also a lot of chinese tourists and prostitutes there. And, Milan is packed with people.
I am not surprised the virus explode in Lombardia.
I always enjoy, if that is a reality test for what is going on, Saker. He is bright, and well he has a great sense of what is going on and what is not.
As regarding the Coronavirus there is one thing that I have not noticed in media, alternate or mainstream, and that what George W. Bush did in, I think it was his second term, he had the military go up to the Arctic and dig up the bodies of those buried there, victims of the 1918 Flu. The bodies were flown to the University of Washington in Seattle, WA. The report also mentioned they were working on, now get this, increasing the virulence of the virus. Now that was reported in the mainstream newspapers, at least some of them.
Knowing how the US and its Master, the Jewish Lobby, hates Iran, could this be the result of Bush’s ingenious act as President?
Bushmaster gravediggers! Hah. Yeah, I remember reading about it, the quest to find live spanish flue virus.
That is horrifying.
Our leaders are monsters—and ghouls.
Katherine
“CORONAVIRUSES HAVE ALWAYS INFECTED HUMANS, PANIC IS UNWARRANTED”
Posted by agencycyta | Mar 9, 2020 | Science , Featured , Health | 0 |
“Coronaviruses have always infected humans, panic is unwarranted”
According to an Argentine virologist in France, Pablo Goldschmidt, there is no evidence to indicate that the fatality or morbidity of COVID-19 is superior to that caused by influenza viruses or the common cold.
(CyTA-Leloir Foundation Agency) -. For the virologist and infectious disease specialist Pablo Goldschmidt, the panic surrounding the strain of coronavirus identified in China (COVID-19) is as unwarranted as the one created in 2003 with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). ) or in 2009 with the influenza A (H1N1) virus.
“The ill-founded opinions expressed by international experts, replicated by the media and social networks repeat the unnecessary panic that we have previously experienced. The coronavirus identified in China in 2019 causes neither more nor less than a strong cold or flu, with no difference until today with the cold or flu as we know it, ”says Professor Goldschmidt, also a biochemist, pharmacist and psychologist graduated from the UBA, volunteer for the World Health Organization (WHO), former praticien hospitalier of the public hospitals in Paris and author of the book “People and microbes, invisible beings with whom we live and make us sick” (2019).
The Argentine specialist lives more than four decades in Europe. At the Faculty of Medicine of the hospital center de la Pitié-Salpetrière in Paris, he obtained diplomas in pharmacokinetics, clinical pharmacology, neuro-psychopharmacology and pharmacology of antimicrobials. At the Université Pierre et Marie Curie Paris VI he received a doctorate in molecular pharmacology. The theoretical and practical training of the Paris Curie and Pasteur Institutes also concluded with degrees in fundamental virology and molecular biology. As a volunteer at the WHO, he integrates humanitarian missions in Guinea Conakry, Bissau, Pakistan, Ukraine, Cameroon, Mali and the Chad border with Nigeria. And it aspires to obtain from the Argentine State a mandate to exercise the right to speak before the international organization.
In dialogue with the CyTA-Leloir Agency, Goldschmidt expresses its tension in the face of the global terror generated by the quality of information that is disseminated about the new coronavirus and considers it necessary that the data that is propagated be placed in the geographical and social context. “You can’t create hysteria on the entire planet,” he says.
-Which viruses are considered responsible for respiratory diseases?
Viral respiratory conditions are numerous and are caused by several viral families and species, among which the respiratory syncytial virus (especially in infants), influenza (influenza), human metapneumoviruses, adenoviruses, rhinoviruses, and several coronaviruses, already described years ago. It is striking that earlier this year global health alerts have been triggered as a result of infections by a coronavirus detected in China, COVID-19, knowing that each year there are 3 million newborns who die in the world of pneumonia and 50,000 adults in the United States for the same cause, without alarms being issued.
– The fact that it is transmitted by saliva or by cough increased the fear of the population?
Many microorganisms are transmitted by this route in humans. The cold, transmitted by saliva and cough, is caused by more than 150 rhinoviruses. Ten million people were infected by saliva and cough with the tuberculosis agent in 2018, of which 1 million were children and 205 thousand died. The same happened with bacterial meningitis, transmitted by saliva, which affected more than a million people in a year. Measles is also transmitted by saliva, hence the urgency to protect the population with vaccines.
-You. Do you consider the international alerts launched due to the coronavirus to be exaggerated?
Our planet is the victim of a new sociological phenomenon, scientific-media harassment, triggered by experts only on the basis of laboratory molecular diagnostic analysis results. Communiqués issued from China and Geneva were replicated, without being confronted from a critical point of view and, above all, without stressing that coronaviruses have always infected humans and always caused diarrhea and what people call a banal cold or common cold. Absurd forecasts were extrapolated, as in 2009 with the H1N1 influenza virus.
And the risk of complications?
A cold can present as a benign, self-limiting disease; but it is known that all respiratory diseases, however banal they may be considered, can severely affect the frailized people, people with cardiocirculatory problems over 65 years, people with metabolic disorders, immunosuppressed, transplanted and, above all , to poorly fed people without shelter, and to those who do not have access to competent health teams that provide them with effective medicines. This situation, clearly revealed for so many other diseases, is repeated in all infections and COVID-19 is no exception.
Why does each individual become infected and react differently to viral infections?
The first step for a virus to infect a person depends on the virus’s ability to recognize “locks” or proteins on the surface of cells in certain organs, not all. Once it attaches to its lock, it can penetrate the cell and put all the cellular machinery of the infected subject at its service to replicate itself. It has been determined that there are individuals with many “locks”, others with few and others with easier “locks” to open, which is determined by the genes. On the other hand, there is a defensive apparatus of proteins encoded in DNA that is known by the name of “reactoma”. In short, all humans are unique living beings against microbial aggression and against the malignant transformations of our tissues. Therefore, in certain individuals,
Is the coronavirus detected in China a new agent?
Those who launched the international alerts did not take into account data that shows whether this virus or other similar viruses circulated in previous years. Or if people who were already exposed to other coronavirus variants have partial or total protection against the 2019 strain.
-Why do you not accept the extrapolation from one country to the other of the forecasts issued by international agencies?
First, it is appropriate to compare the mortality and morbidity data with the number of positive cases (those confirmed by the laboratory in relation to the number of severe cases or the number of deceased persons). The first thing that emerges from the data, beyond the biological criteria referring to the individual capacity to get sick and defend against viral aggression, are doubts regarding the figures, if it is not considered that the affected people did or did not have access to competent and equipped health, and if they received timely treatments with adequate and bioequivalent drugs.
– Would these factors contribute to explain the differences in mortality and morbidity between countries?
If there is no biological justification for individual predisposition, the difference could be due to the quality of the medical institutions, the reasons that caused the time to pass before the affected people go to health centers, or the quality of the training of medical centers and the availability of resources to treat acute respiratory diseases. We must impose moderation and use concrete data. There is no evidence to show that the 2019 coronavirus is more lethal than respiratory adenoviruses, influenza viruses, coronaviruses from previous years, or rhinoviruses responsible for the common cold.
It does not matter if the virus was engineered but rather that the MSM news cycle is clearly a tool for disinformation and misdirection – propaganda is what has been engineered. Even the Weinstein the gay fiasco has been buried along with the usual vomit about royals.
The Syrian zionazis project has now fully collapsed, Iran will soon consolidate with Iraq the full removal of US forces and oil prices have taken a nose dive. These are the realities that the zionists cannot control – so they create a story that they can – the corona virus. All reality is now hidden by the pandemic hype. Of course the rest of the western vassal stooges have jumped on board because the story can also serve to bury their own inconvenient realities.
Massive distraction alert. The propaganda cul de sac has exploded into a stream of fake news about a world wide melt down. This is typical zionazis occultist bait and switch. But the news cycle will not last – the audience is buying the fear for now but western proles have a limited attention span. The marrying cousins from tel-aviv in occupied Palestine will soon have to come up with a new song and dance.
I’ll throw my 2 cents in here. I have zero proof other than my gut feeling that this is a bioweapon. I do have 40 year of biodefense research experience behind me and worked at Fort Detrich on bacterial vaccines where I developed my own aerosol infection routes and developed multi-species models of pathogenesis to establish correlates of immunity. Because I was a one-stop shop doing everything including animal care, aerosol exposures, sample analysis, necropsy, and histopathology, etc. plus I had research programs in endemic areas studying the immunopathological response in human populations to establish immune correlates of protection for candidate vaccines all for the Biological Defense Research Program (BDRP).
I recall the early years when the Department of Homeland Security was stood up and they got the lion’s share of poorly performing ciivil servants un-fireable under the then OPMA policies. I was brought in as a technical expert as we were in dire straits for funding so I (and others) was lent out as a research prostitute. This is a little known problem with civil service employees. They are impossible to eliminate and generally rise to levels where they can cause the most damage. However, an opportunity arose whereby agencies in the Federal government had to contribute bodies to the new Department of Homeland Security (as no new vacancies were created when the agency was stood up meaning everyone had to sacrifice personnel) so most, if not all, employees sent to DHS were the worst of the worst. However, the DHS labs (specifically NBACC) also tied into some nefarious microbiologists working at the CIA (ostensibly part of DHS) and it is an understatement to say that what I saw being proposed horrified me. That work, I am certain was performed at Battle Memorial Institute in West Jefferson, Ohio under a DHS contract doing the work for the CIA under the auspices of NBACC. As I was very vocally opposed to this stuff I was removed from the secure access at DHS but not DoD to the offensive work which I had pointed out was not only illegal but unethical. I have since retired now more than 10 years and am far away from all of that. I won’t say more as they will reach out and seek retribution. But, if you look hard enough you can find still on the internet some references. There are some pissed off people out there should anyone care to actually do some leg work and try and figure this out. But, our news people no longer does this work so there is very little possibility of ever learning the truth.
However, that said, I notice some interesting things with COVID-19, that perked my ears up a bit. Yes, it could be a natural infection jumping species from bats to humans with a probable intermediate host, under conditions of human encroachment into world habitats. It is actually most likely to have been that, except for the strain differences being observed. That leads one to believe if it is in fact true, and I have no reason to doubt the Chinese on this, that it originated outside of China and it seems likely to have originated in the US. If, in fact, the US has 5 strains currently and China only one then it must have been percolating in the US for some time before it arose in China. Likely, deaths in the US were attributed to other diseases such as influenza and only retrospective sampling will determine this. It would be interesting to do a combination GPS-Molecular biology tracking of strains over time and distance. Also, a definite genetic analysis of strains over time would also be beneficial and can be done easily on every isolated strain. This would have value in attributing the course of the disease over time as part of a natural history study of the virus. We would need access to all samples of every lung disease related death for the past 12 months to be certain to track all potential deaths. NBACC is the key to figuring out what nefarious stuff was being funded.
It is possible that this virus has mutated over time to become more virulent. In particular engineered strains are generally unstable over multiple passages through multiple hosts. In my experience when testing strains for pathogenesis and lethality it is wise to first passage a frozen isolate several times through a susceptible animal host to regain full strength. If you test a lab isolate (usually frozen or lyophilized) generally it is wimpy unless you passage it at least 3 passages through an animal model. The worst strains are always those recovered from humans who died from the disease and not field collected strains. If this was perceived to be a useful agent from the likes of Bolton or Pompeo, who are terrible and evil people, then it is conceivable this was thought to teach the Chinese a lesson in economics. You have to be a complete idiot to release a virus for which you have no effective countermeasures but this administration seems to be filled with complete idiots. So, expecting normal behavior from these people is futile.
It could have been released during the 7th CISM military games held in Wuhan October 18-27, 2019 and that fits perfectly into the time scale for the actual infections. Now interestingly enough, I was a participant in several CISM competitions in Europe for skiing (I was on active duty for 26 years) so I am very well versed in who these athletes are. In general the best are Olympic competitors who are ostensibly part of the National Guard of their states who pay for their training by extended military active duty periods where their sole job is sports training. I used to lose every year to one of these guys and generally I placed a distant second place in cross country skiing. I also participated in the biathlon competitions and our soldiers were the very top level because they were in fact Olympic athletes. Rumor is that the US participants at CISM were atrocious which is very atypical so one wonders who these “athletes” were. I am reminded of the US military mission in Brazil to help flood victims which coincidentally was the exact same time that all the power transmission stations in Venezuela were destroyed. So, again a hackle or 2 rise when I heard about that. However, it is the perfect opportunity to release a virus on a target population.
I will also like to add that not all biological warfare agents are lethal. In fact, the worst are non-lethal as it consumes vast amounts of resources in treatment and lost productivity. Deaths are actually cheaper. So, a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy. As Trump’s administration claims they are waging war against economic enemies (currently China heads the list) using all possible actions. This fits perfectly into that; however, it may end up destroying the American economy which would be ironic.
I believe the Chinese response was exactly what a country would do if they were attacked with a bioweapon which explains a lot of their actions. I do not believe it was an accidental release from the BSL-4 labs in Wuhan. In fact, this may have been an irresistible opportunity similar to the alleged Novichuk release just 8 k away from Porton Down laboratories (the UK Fort Detrich). Interestingly, the potential release from PDL was never put forward as a logical explanation. Anyway, it sticks me that the CIA seems to have developed a pattern over time. As long as I am pushing my gut feelings I will throw out there the potential for a bioengineered adenovirus with c-fos and c-jun over expression which would cause sarcomas. That work was all published at the National Cancer Institute located where? Fort Detrich. I am certain it is just a coincidence. I can imagine the cackling going on at the CIA when planning this operation and again the coronavirus operation(s). I believe there were at least two attacks with Iran being the second and perhaps North Korea as well. However, evidence against it being a bioweapon is Russia, Venezuela, and Cuba are minimally affected. This could mean effective countermeasures or botched attacks. It is inconsistent though with the way the CIA operates.
Adenovirus is another virus similar to coronavirus in usage and easily aerosolized. I have made my own for over expression of medical treatments for wound infections. Has anyone other than myself noted that so many enemies of the US have died from sarcomas particularly in South America? My point is perhaps this stuff has been ongoing for quite some time and with some fairly good results. So, familiarity breeds contempt so as they gin more experience and begin to think this is good stuff, it is not out of the realm of possibility that this is in fact a bioweapon. That Iran was hit so hard is another hackle rising. It is just simply too good (for the idiots in the US government) to be a coincidence.
So, we are left with some interesting problems about this virus. Where was patient zero in China. What will be the results if a natural history study is conducted correlating geolocation, strain identity, severity of disease over time? Will that work be prevented? If so, that is yet another reason to be suspicious. Will it continue to mutate and what will be the outcome of this? Lots of good stuff to examine here and it will keep a lot of people busy for years.
Do you think that the papers Francis Boyle points to make his point?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H0fEZr2psMQ
OldMicrobiologist.
Maybe you can explain this:
“Coronavirus have not previously been known to cause severe disease in humans”.
This is excerpt from the patent issued to CDC, US government. Link:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7220852B1/en
So the question for me is why should a harmless virus be patented by the US government and used for research in labs like US army research at Ft. Derick? That makes it military. Why is there then the SARS-CoV, and the latest COVID-19 which is SARS-CoV-2 ? The swineflu was likewise proven to be lab made at least in sources other than mainstream and WHO, the same was the case with Ebola, and even HIV.
It immediately raises the question of ban of biological weapons labs in my mind, by internatiopnal treaties just like a ban on the use of napalm, landmines and so on, since a harmless virus are researched in army labs and suddenly appears as aggresive viruses .
It is an interesting question. Under the bioweapons conference treaty no offensive work can legally be done and any signatory can demand an onsite inspection of facilities for verification at any time. To my knowledge that has never been demanded of the US. It has been done to Russia and China is not a signatory, nor is Israel or North Korea. We have been caught doing inappropriate biodefense research several times now but only because it became known and there were no consequences.
The slippery slope within DoD is to make a counter measure you have to try and look forwards and using intelligence based informatics to design offensive agents. In my opinion this is fallacious as we can’t make countermeasures against the normal 10 agents on the high threat list (since the program’s inception in 1942) other than anthrax and smallpox for which we have had effective vaccines for decades. Since 9/11 no new effective and/or safe vaccines have been been made for any of the rest of the agents on the list. This includes several far more likely biothreats like the plague, tularemia, glanders, brucella, Ebola, Marburg, etc. This was despite pouring billions into biodefense research most of which went to universities. When things cooled down the funding dried up as always. USAMRIID is currently shut down and may never re-open. But contracted services still go on and are funded using black money so not under the purview of Congress. So trying to make vaccines against biothreat agents that don’t exist seems ridiculous when the real threats, some of which the US has used in warfare, are still out there without effective preventatives. What happens is when you pour money into an area as happened after 9/11 all kinds of ridiculous stuff gets funded with very little oversight. The goal is to spend the money and no one really cares if any actual product is created. In fact, success means the demise of your program so the incentive is to drag it out for as long as funding is available. I had programs managed under DTRA funding that because I got new program managers as often as every 3 months had no clue or even any expertise in the matter and had zero idea of what we were doing. I got tired of doing a new dog and pony show each time I was assigned a new manager who usually was some very young recent PhD graduate with no experience at all. Often they were nebutistic appointments and daddy was a Congressman or Under Secretary.
The intelligence based decisions are as usual idiotic as is most intelligence coming out of the CIA and its affiliates. You get better intelligence reading PUBMED than you get out of any intelligence agencies. The microbiologists who work at the CIA and its contract companies were all military microbiologists who because they were essentially incompetent drifted over to the CIA. Then you have some IMHO ridiculous events. I recall when Ken Alibekov “defected” he spoonfed a bunch of made up BS which the CIA bought lock stock and barrel. I had working for me at the same time several former Soviet microbiologists (one of who was a senior researcher at Biopreparat) who were in fact the real deal and all told me he was a bullshit artist. One thing he peddled was a chimeric smallpox-Ebola and another a Ebola-anthrax. So the CIA immediately funded an effort to create chimeric viruses. To my knowledge these were unsuccessful however, the COVID-19 may be being caused by a chimeric virus. The only good reason to make a chimeric virus is to develop a attenuated strain for use as a vaccine. But, as often happens some attenuated mutants become more lethal as an unintended consequence. Another event was trying to force photo data from Iraq to prove they had an offensive bioweapons program. These guys had no clue what laboratory equipment was in actuality and had offered up a cooking truck with pots and pans etc. as proof. They were and I assume still are, idiots.
DoD programs are actually transparent and managed by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. Less transparent are the foreign stuff being funded under the Nunn-Lugar Act which includes the debacle of the “white elephant” lab and its satellite labs in the Republic of Georgia. No one will ever look into any of this but likely will end up blaming Russia or China.
They tend to underestimate their adversaries. China has an offensive program and if they get convinced they were attacked then I believe something nasty will be coming soon to the US. But, China is not stupid and won’t release a biothreat agent they have no preventative or treatment for. I also had several Chinese scientists working for me and I respect them immensely.
That should be PROMED for current infectious disease reporting around the world. It is exceptionally good and not funded or controlled by governments. PUBMED is for online publications which is also good but controlled by the government. I am fully aware of censorship of research papers by the US. I recall I wrote a letter to the editor of Science back in 1999 when the government decided to stockpile billions of doses of ciprofloxacin. I did a quick BLAST search and found that only a single base pair mutation in anthrax made it completely resistant to cipro. That letter was published and after 9/11 never seen again. There are other example such as the Canadian paper maybe also in 1999 showing that anthrax delivered in envelopes was not very effective. That one disappeared as well and the same as the Canadian paper where they were aerosolizing B. cereus spores out the back of a moving truck and using aerial infrared cameras demonstrated that these streams of aerosolized spores agglomerated into cloudlets which moved along in the wind and would usually avoid detector arrays which sampled airflow for aerosol particles. That is still the current state of the art for battlefield detection and that paper showed it to be ineffective at best. I can think of dozens of papers that were removed. After 9/11 any research paper that could be used by a foreign actor to develop better biothreat agents was rejected for publication outright. Almost none of my work was published after that except in classified reports which I believe were never read by anyone. I recall part of the madness in setting up NBACC was to generate very lengthy “white papers” that scrubbed through all published articles to assemble the complete picture for the then 10 threat agents. I wrote or edited two of those and they were immediately buried in some deep classified archive to the researchers who might benefit from this work could never actually use it. A complete waste of months and a ton of money. If you are perceiving that the US government biothreat programs are a complete shambles then you are not wrong.
I’ll go into that a bit more as well. It used to be in the military programs we were “command directed”. This means the military made a decision to make a vaccine against a perceived threat agent. They would assemble a research group assign them the mission and give 5 years funding to be continued if milestones (reasonable given the pittance of funding given). If you made progress then you got another 5 years of funding. That funding agency located at MRMC Fort Detrick was a Research area managed usually by a Major and a Captain, both microbiologists and experienced. Two people. There were 5 research area Directorates so a total of 10 program managers and a couple administrative colonels. This managed the entire DoD biothreat research programs and did it well. However, someone decided we needed an Agency to manage this stuff and DTRA which was funded by the Nunn-Lugar Act was already involved in the disassembly of Soviet nuclear capabilities so they wanted a bigger piece of the pie so absorbed the Research Directorates. The BDRP program at DTRA (basically identical as before) was now managed by over 400 contractors. The money came out of the research money we were supposed to be allocated.
After DTRA took over the funding was no longer Command Directed and we were all required to go out and fu-ind whatever funding we could hence why we made “deals” with DHS and the CIA. We went to an annual funding cycle instead of 5 years and never ending Gantt charts and reports. This was the age of 6 Sigma and the end of Management by Objective. We were also charged rent and had to pay for every service at our Institute including the security and even the library. Even our higher command MRMC stole 6% off the top to pay for pet projects unfunded by anyone with a brain. So, this became the age of entrepreneurial research and the end of productive research. Our commander, as an example, had no idea what we were doing at all and was shocked at all the “cool” stuff we were doing. This is the new breed of commander who manages by committee and never goes out walking the floors to visit labs. What the old school commanders call management by walking around and poking your nose into everything. But now these guys sit in their office and are fed whatever the REMFs decide they should hear. This is management in the US government as a whole and there are so many hidden agendas and internal conflicts between programs it is difficult to describe just how awful it is to try and do research in that environment. A lot of the worst of those commanders or research Division Directors went on to be current heads of HHS, CDC, and their undersecretaries, etc. which explains why those agencies are so screwed up and why there is such a horrible response to this virus.
@Oldmicro
Thanks for scaring the pants off us…………….lol, on a serious note, does that not leave open the possibility the US, like Brit TB infected blankets, sent infected people to the Wuhan Military Games who then infected others, or vaccinated against say a coronvirus, and it mutated, infecting others that way.
Cheers, M
OldMicrobiologist.
Thank you for the extensive reply !
I would love to know what the h… is going on, but I understand that this is very sensitive material.
So, I would like to focus on who the h… is running all these schemes if not the government itself obviously,
the elites of course, the deep state, and who runs them. We can find out that Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is involved in all this, the CIA, the Rockefeller Foundation, and they are into depopulation, and fund both the “bioweapons” research (supposedly a pure goal of defense against bioweapons, run by the DOD), and they fund the vaccines against the bioweapons, which all cause depopulation according to Bill Gates, vaccines together with ” health services” wil decrease the population by 15% alone.
And something else a government may amend politics and the law to justify any such programs in fact it is the political correct thing to do. Governments may also amend the justice system accordingly, and the law enforcement may be run by them directly.
This makes everything extremely dangerous right now.
OLd Micro, I’d sure as hell like to know you, You sound quite intelligent as nearly as well balanced as we
matured gorillas/chimpanzees can hope for. I believe you’re right on the mark. Like to talk with you.
from old fart, 92+, super educated, UM e biochem, GWU, UCONN mjcfoB, phcology, pharmacy to AAretirement.
With respect old microbiologist,
Why do you choose to spell Fort Detrich like this for most of your extensive and descriptive writing and then, choose to spell it correctly as, Fort Detrick in your 2nd reply?
If you spent as many years working there, as you claim, surely you would have learned its correct spelling?
It just seems like a simple and culturally missed mistake to me.
(free admission, Robert Durst?)
Article from 2015 can explain everything. The Coronavirus can be here already some time.
https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
Thank you for the historical details you’ve provided OM.
Long live logic and competence.
How many secondary epicenters seperated geographically by more than one thousand kilometers at this point? Cross reference with confirmed and/or suspected research laboratory sites.
How about timeframes correlating to said locations? Progression of events? All relevant aspects of the entirety of the situation at each location? Along correct comparative analysis guidelines (for a correct analytical investigation)? Personnel? Locations? Financing? Cover? Interactivity nodes in comm structures of relevant networks in this particular field of ‘research’?
Maybe we should just go ahead and put our cop hats on now.
OldMicrobiologist: Thank you for your fascinating personal testimony. I t appears that you have presented much valid circumstantial evidence for your hunches about this probable bioweapon. After awhile coincidence just isn’t a good enough
explanation either especially if they start to pile up.
With the Fort Detrick lab having been shut down due to some failure, this suggests some kind of “leak”, accidental or otherwise.
Imagine the military or CIA had to game-play the situation.
If the pandemic was first recognized in the US, most of the economic damage would be to the US economy.
Taking the virus to your enemy would even the scores with losses to all but maintaining the relative status-quo. The media would then recognize the “source” as being in China/Iran/Italy. This requires suppression of testing and information in the US media.
Could we be seeing the reaction to an accidental release from the US?
Anyone care to give some outcome probabilities?
Just my comment on one issue:
When things happen over and over again it is not accidental, it is an activity, what they do. Some random links .
https://ebolainfo2014.wordpress.com/tag/fort-detrick/
https://www.trueactivist.com/evidence-mounts-ebola-made-in-the-usa-by-big-pharma-dept-of-defense/
http://whale.to/vaccine/gavi.html
I know Scientist such as yourself. However, I have an Academic Background and have made several discoveries that have been used to treat people for non-healing wounds, cancer and life terminating fibrotic disorders. In my laboratory since the late 1980’s we used what is now called genetic engineering on a weekly even sometimes daily basis. We discovered genes when that was at the forefront of biology and medicine and created genetically modified, bacteria, insect, mammalian cells and even mice with human genes for our experiments and analysis.
I can say without any hesitation, that the current outbreak of Corona virus is a natural phenomena. Just like all the others in the past. Of course the CIA and Pentagon would love people to believe they did it but I don’t think any group of people in your past had the capability or creativity or anything else that could make this into a Bio-weapon. The US squandered the last 40 years in Science and Engineering. Only @$$ kissling clowns and sycophants survive especially in the Military. Perhaps you are one of them. I worked with some people at Los Alamos, Sandia Labs, and in the Army Counter Chemical Weapons Group. No one was a brilliant person. They were good, just not outstanding or creative or forward thinking.
That is why nothing of truly novel in an Scientific or Engineering Field has been created in the US since the 1980’s. Look at the Directors of the NIH, NSF, USDA or even in Labs at these once great Institutions. Gee, lets sequence the Human Genome. So F—ing What!!!! A group Chimps could do that. Did you learn anything from the massive amount of effort? No. That is the long and short answer.
So now you expect people to believe the non scientific agencies the the US Government can actually do something scientific.
Like the new fighter plane, new destroyer, the not so stealthy Stealth.
Dumber Than Dirt and God Damn Proud Of It Too is the new US Government Motto.
You my friend my have Very Brown Eyes.
Are you real life Forest Gump???
I thought that disease a few months ago (or is still ongoing) that hit the Chinese porcine industry pretty hard seemed suspicious. I didn’t rabbit-hole or anything but I remember them talking about 100% fatality rate, which isn’t something that happens a lot in nature, even of creatures that emerge from toxic byproducts nature.
If this is a bio weapon, why does US have five strains? Why infect their own people? Could it be mere carelessness?
‘Next, there were A LOT of comments yesterday about the virus being engineered. They were often delivered with a great deal of gravitas, but with exactly ZERO evidence’
With due respect, sir Saker, if China release the evidence or somehow we, the international The PPL, were allow to see the evidence, then we would immediately also have a war, dont we??? We would skip all the money market tanking/stealing events…
Anyway, it seem, as of today/yesterday, China has unofficially call covid-19 a new name – ‘Disease X’
Basically china is saying its not a just flu-virus. So what is it? Thats china’s open question to the world of agency looking at this ‘Disease X’.
I personally read it as a very specific ‘magic language’.
Either way, quite likely we may get ‘the evidence’, and soon. Some clues to the ‘evidence’ has been shown by china’s state media and it seem, by my unfounded imagination, china is ready to point out who is the patient 0.
But you understand as well, we all need the ‘enemy’ punished for the worldwide crisis.
Hope you are feeling better.
Do take extra care, you and your family :)
Be safe there
Quoting commenter: “Anyway, it seem, as of today/yesterday, China has unofficially call covid-19 a new name – ‘Disease X’”
Interesting choice of name: “Disease X”
In 2018 a Pandemic exercise, “Clade-X”, was held with a fictitious adversary that staged a biological terror attack:
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/events/2018_clade_x_exercise/pdfs/Clade-X-A-Brighter-Dawn-Background.pdf
It seems that the Chinese are officially treating this as a biological terror attack considering the Chinese choice of name: “Disease X” corresponding to Clade-X pandemic terror exercise and the Chinese Foreign Minister tweeting that possibly the US army might have been behind the attack.
Now we know which countries/peoples Trump referred to as shitholes — it was the Euro-trash with the exception of Britain. Sometimes, even the Idiot-in-Chief comes pretty close to the truth, albeit not by the aid of any brainpower, ha!
Here’s an article about research on bats in China and the corona virus.
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5705784.html
US was doing research on the Corona Virus.
For some strange reason it is no longer here, I posted an abstract link on the History of Corona Virus.
So I am posting it again.
https://journals.lww.com/pidj/fulltext/2005/11001/history_and_recent_advances_in_coronavirus.12.aspx
If the virus was not being weaponized, what was going on with the efforts around it.
We have no vaccines. We barely have tests for it. We have no medications to treat it.
But governments have been “researching” making variants of it.
Makes you wonder. Makes you think.
Sort of like controlled demolition of skyscrapers as the logical conclusion for how “they fell” into their footprint.
Larchmonter i just found these @ presstv
““Since there is speculation that this incident might be a ‘biological attack’, this measure could be also some form of biological defense drill, which would add to national power and strength [of the country],” the leader said.”(Khamenei)
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/03/12/620729/Iran-Leader-order-headquarters-coronavirus
And this one discuss similar accusations targeted at Iran
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/03/12/620717/Iran-United-States-coronavirus-Bahrain-biological-warfare-cover-up
I do not have any knowledge other than you guys so i will not speculate about biological warfare just yet.
I have made a few thoughts about it but i dont know what to believe yet.
See Nature 2015 here https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews&fbclid=IwAR0OHqbDXrULUNIQPsxfjLpEx86eIrA-_uvymQuBPdQlUtJ2KB9-KF7-g_M
(Taken from colonelcassad mentioned up.)
Absolutely stunning! Thanks, Pavel!
– Indian doctors – HIV strain in Covid-19
– Ditto Chinese docs
– Docs from Japan, China, Taiwan have found 5 different types of Covid-19. Only in the US have all 5 been found.
– Pandemic seems to have originated spontaneously hence why no patient zero has been found. With so many people infected who should not be due to being relatively isolated.
– are the scientists lying? I don’t have to be a medical doctor but I do take seriously scientific claims because if they are not true, it’s easy to debunk e.g. Covid-19 doesn’t mimic HIV.
– Coclusion for me, man-made activity. Now, to figure out why and by whom, for what purpose. But for me, their are no coincidences. Too many clues for conclusion of 100% human activity.
Boyle (USA bio weapons expert) reports that the bio-engineering work that makes the virus easy to spread was done at the University of North Carolina, and that the work that allows HIV to be added was done in an Australian facility. In order to insert an HIV sequence into the genome of the novel Coronavirus, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory. He shows that Chinese scientists from the Wuhan BSL-4 biowarefare lab were present in both the UNC and Australian labs and participated in the research. ( Lab in Winnipeg, Canada, has also been implicated.)
Biowarfare nasties stolen out of the USA and slopped out of a test tube in Wuhan?
No no no no no.
Nooooooooooo.
Repeat after me. It’s zoonotic. Zoooonotic.
ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOONOTIC.
‘US Army Behind Covid-19 In Wuhan’: China’s Foreign Ministry Levels Bombastic Charge
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-army-behind-covid-19-wuhan-chinas-foreign-ministry-levels-bombastic-charge
Dave – please don’t just post links as this is against the commenting rules
thank you!
Corona + Nukes = What could go wrong?
“US Nukes Reportedly Delivered To Poland”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-nukes-reportedly-delivered-poland
Even China’s Foreign Minister is accusing the US army of being behind the virus outbreak:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-army-behind-covid-19-wuhan-chinas-foreign-ministry-levels-bombastic-charge
Is that proof enough for you Saker that official China takes this conspiracy theory serious?
Now US nukes have been delivered to Poland. What are they up to? Is it to scare the Europeans into submission? Or are they preparing for a world post-Corona?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-nukes-reportedly-delivered-poland
Context is important here dave.
But first, “bombastic” = “speech or writing that is pompous and inflated and suggests extravagant verbal padding and little substance”. The author, Tyler Durden (either consciously or unconsciously), thinks the tweet by the PRC official is just that, that’s why it’s in the title of his piece.
The PRC spokesman was in a war of words with a US official who had accused China of being slow and opaque in its response to Covid-19, hence the stream of angry tweets.
Why do you think the nukes were placed in Incirlik during Cold War 1 in the first place? Well, in the good old days it was called “dispersal of forces”; nowadays it’s more fashionable to call it “distributed firepower.” The idea was to make the USSR look anxiously to both west and south, quite difficult. Now RF only has to look west; all things being equal, a wee bit easier. The distances from both countries, Turkey (Incirlik) and Poland, to RF territory are about the same, so no significant difference as far as early warning is concerned.
Apparently you do not understand context… Even Taiwan and Japanese TV reports are accusing the US. The virus outbreak occurred in the east, west, north and south of Wuhan at the same time.
The common ancestor of the different strains mutated somewhere between mid November and mid December according to virologists. No patient 0 found.. It is all about context Stand Easy.
Poland is closer to Moscow and Poland is in Europe that is the big difference you forget.
Moving nukes to Poland.. I thought was all about Iran like the missile shield.. Silly me.
Context.
/ Did The Virus Originate in the US? /
In the following article, there are solid scientific arguments to support this assertion.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196
I do not think patient 0 originated in the US else US hospitals would be overwhelmed by now.
I do think it was a bio-terror attack coming from the Military Olympics, the luggage of the military participants were not checked by the Chinese.
The coronavirus resemble the infection mechanism of HIV and bats do not carry HIV.
I believe this thing was made in the lab.
On 15th Nov 2019 the US. CDC posted an advert that they were seeking applications from “quarantine” experts, with a list of all the US cities that need one. It closes in May 2020 so it is still on their site. Salary between 51k and 93k.
How did they know????
Context, Dave.
“Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University – a for-profit evangelical Christian educational facility – claims that North Korea and China plotted the COVID-19 outbreak in a bid to target POTUS.”
https://sptnkne.ws/BERh
You think we should take Falwell’s statement at face value?
There are already nukes in Germany which is not too far from Moscow. Adding more nukes in Poland won’t change the equation much.
Anyway we’re talking about air delivered weapons not missiles.
I thought was all about Iran like the missile shield.. Silly me.
Yes.
I forgot
interesting
Oh and the patents. Dead giveaway
yes and China has shut down all the wildlife eating that China is so fond of. It did seem at first that there was a connection…someone even said the Pangolins eat the bat shit – and its great for pangolins – they are not going extinct for the past 2 weeks…
https://www.archyde.com/it-would-be-a-medical-mistake-not-to-give-chloroquine-against-the-chinese-virus-according-to-professor-didier-raoult/ .Get well soon Saker.
My kind of research is different, I like to be be working on the bridge between adult reflection of the world and the mirroring order of the symbolic universe, psychology and astrology are trying to understand.
This little piece is about current Mars, the god of attack and fever, and his placement on the day of the outbreak on Dec. 1. 2019.
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2020/03/following-aries-into-capricorn-and-mars.html
Hi Mundanomania. speaking of Mars let me get something off my chest. perhaps this better belongs in the Cafe.:
My Sun and Mars are in Aries and the Mars is 5 degrees from my Mercury so….. please do not tell me from a lofty holier than thou position how I should or should not frame my argument. As long as I do not directly or even indirectly defame or insult you then you can be as “nice”. and ” calm” and ” reasonable” all you want. It will not make you right.
Of course, if you have the power to ban me or forbid certain topics, then, fine ….do it. My Aries can respect that .
But this whine of , “oh just be nice…” really, really grates on my nerves as it is personal posturing and actually is a type of power positioning ( subtle use of shame). As for Adult? yeah as for what passes for “adult “in Western society. Now that discussion does belong in the Cafe.
Try this one for evidence
https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196
It is from a Taiwanese specialist, who found that there are 5 different
strains of the virus. And different strains appeared in China, Italy and Iran.
The Taiwanese guy was summarising a paper written in China. i ahve already summarised the paper on this site.
However this highlights the necessity for careful reading of a paper.
Yes there are five strains and one is suspiciously linked to the USA but the fact that the US has all five strains does NOT imply origins there because all those tested were imported so it is not surprising that they would carry a diverse range given geography and transport patterns.
What i think is more surprising is that most of these early overseas “imported” cases including those in UK, US and Australian seemed to have many variants. This suggests circulation somewhere much earlier than reported.
Sorry Saker,
few peeps in the comments are actually following your suggestion to fact based and logically developed comments. Now, to shut up all bioweapon lovers: have you ever read any Who study about risk evaluation and prevention of a pandemic? 1957 Asian Flu, 1968 pandemic flu, Sars 2002, Mers 2008, thousand of unread scientific studies about it count nothing? Now, about the outbreak in Wuhan: after 2002 China prohibited the commercialisation of wild animals pushing the small farmers to grow them in captivity, instead of upgrading sanitary laws in the agro-industry and banning “wet” meat markets where all sorts of creatures piled in cages shit and piss on each other head, illegally captured wild animals included. Now about fatality rate: WHO on 3th of march 3,4%, Wuhan Province 5,6%, rest of China (included Wuhan after 3th february) 0,7%, South Korea 0,75%, Italy first!. Witch are the more accurate? Italy was unprepared like Wuhan, most mild cases where not screened and the lack of medical equipment are most probably the concauses of the spike of deaths. So the 0.7-8 fatality rate seems the most credible. Swiss and German strategy is to slow down the rate of infection to not overcrowd the hospitals, containing at this point it’s impossible. I loved for once hearing Merkel speaking frankly about 70% of the population being affected and immunised before it ends. Let’s see what happens now with the broken health system in the USA
@Luis and all
I totally understand where Saker is coming from and do urge again for all posters to follow the guidelines, unless one have credible info/data or intelligent analysis. Posting a ZioH link in hope to support one’s case, is frankly stupid. There are lots more data and info NOT in english that most posters across all platform have no access to. Otherwise be humble and state clearly it is only your personal speculative opinion (and the mods can decide, without seeking your permission or plea, if it will be allowed).
Nevertheless, sorry I dont have the link for this one, so best to take it with few mega tons of salt… Treat as speculations here.
I read somewhere yesterday that certain japan news media openly question the tens of thousand of (unexamied covid-19) flu victims in america that has died in the last 6 month. They further report a leak source that re-examination done of several of those dead person contains strains of the virus.
Okie… if we were to take into account of those unaccounted untested case in america,
maybe it is ‘pandemic’ grade after all…
…but pls know your first line of defence is your immune systems
(Pls let me emphasis this point again here!)
FEAR and PANIC, though a natural response, is NOT going to help you not save you.
Activate your higher Self!
They are not medical advice but there are plenty of good alt-health advice here :)
Be safe there
Thanks for the breath of fresh air, Luis. It’s disheartening to see so many people eschew logical thinking and credible evidence and instead “prove” their pet theories with fantasies and conjecture shot through with cognitive biases and logical fallacies.
The disavowal of science and objective facts on display in this thread is a fine example of post-modernity in action. Quite ironic given that many of the posters here claim to have a beef with post-modern leftists, yet their own thinking is as post-modern as it gets.
It’s like they’ve never heard of uncanny coincidence or that correlation does not necessarily equal causation.
Decades of government and media propaganda have eroded trust in those institutions and now many people assume that everything the MSM reports is untrue and that there must be a nefarious conspiracy behind all major current events.
Combine that with a society that does not teach or value critical thinking and reasoning skills and you get a lot of people who are convinced their hunches and biases are objectively and undeniably true. Not a good spot for a society to be in.
5 specialists will say it is like this and 5 others will say no it is like that. Inspiration and intuition is the basis of all knowledge the mind is there to verify it or discard it. Those who stick to strict logic cannot grasp” illogical “connections In this whole affair where is the logic?
Luis, Wuhan city folks do not eat bats, it is a rural thing, yet the virus outbreak did not happen on the country side where they eat bats but in metropolitan Wuhan, the outbreak happened in the east, west, north and south of the city AT THE SAME TIME as if it was coordinated, just after the military Olympics in November according to virologists and just before Chinese New Year before the Chinese go on a travel.
The Italians test everyone who is suspected to have the corona virus, Italian numbers are accurate, death rate is 6.8% and will skyrocket when healthcare collapses, intensive care rate is 10%. You do not understand that there are not enough beds for intensive care, healthcare will get overwhelmed, other non-Corona patients will die too, economy will crumble, western society will collapse, supply chains disrupted.
There are different mutations of this virus, perhaps some are mild, do not know.
Luis, Dave, Old Microbiologist.
All of these accounts sound valid.
One must take it all in and suspend judgment at the same time.
The arguments that this is a weaponized virus are pretty convincing.
Also the major outbreak areas suggest malevolent human intent.
I just watched a video of an interview between Joe Rogan and Dr. Michael Osterholm, of
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
Joe Rogan, the host of this show, is a bit non-U.
But Osterholm is the real deal and he was glad to have been invited on this show, as i guess no other media have invited him although he has deep experience. He is associated with CIDRAP, the Center for Infectioous Disease Research and somthing at the University of Minnesota. He describes himself as an infection detective. He is a font of good information on this general situation and explains why it is serious and not a hype in graphic detail. He also has very interesting info on Lyme disease and what “chronic” Lyme actually means, most of it placed within the context of ecological changes that have led to to the spread of that disease. And also to forest ecology and changes. Also on why/how animal viruses and prions evolve and than can jump to humans. He also discusses this thing affecting deer that might also jump to humans. Similar to mad cow. And Creuzfeldt-Jacob disease. So, a very good overview and contextualization.
Whether COVID-19 turns out to be a bioweapon or a result of wet market cross-overs, I believe Osterholm provides valuable and very interesting background for all of us to gain a better understanding of the functioning of these viruses and prions.
If for some reason the link doesn’t work, do a search for “Joe Rogan Dr. Michael Osterholm interview.”
Katherine
Sorry, I forgot the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
Please do watch it. It is longish, but well worth the time.
Here is a link to the CIDRAP Corona website:
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19
Katherine
I loved for once hearing Merkel speaking frankly about 70% of the population being affected and immunized before it ends.
considering that flu vaccines are ineffectual and any vaccine for wuhan coronavirus is years away, your optimism is misplaced.
Mate, go away, rest and get well. The readers/commenters will sit k by your site.
Hi Saker !
“…I see prices fluctuating but with a steady downward trend. The only thing stopping that trend now would be some *major* concessions to Russia…”
Missing here are missile strikes on KSA facilities, i.e. anything that disrupts or threatens to disrupt oil supply / transportation. This may be what is called political theater.
First, he *DID* mention cargo from Europe, then he made a 180: now he says that cargo will not be affected.
He’s correct, and you’re not!
While almost everyone believes the world airline fleet runs in many cases separate subsidiaries handling only cargo, in fact all the world’s air cargo is run by an above top secret clique of our watchers, many levels above the masons, surreptitiously air-dropping cargo at night in all time zones.
We have clear evidence of this because the cargo load flights are directed in to land by the cargo cult radio operators.
https://cdn.instructables.com/F61/V99Q/GQBCI7LG/F61V99QGQBCI7LG.MEDIUM.jpg
Well, my understanding is different, but I can’t recall the source.
I think it might have been a post at Moon of Alabama.
To wit, that air cargo/freight travels in the bellies of passenger planes, along with the passengers’ baggage.
I reckon there are dedicated cargo fleets, such as FedEx and others.
But according to this site
https://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/air-freight1.htm
“Just about every passenger flight is carrying some freight along with the passengers and their baggage. The U.S. Postal Service alone leases space on 15,000 of the approximately 25,000 scheduled passenger flights each day. Commercial airlines make about 5 to 10 percent of their revenue from hauling freight.
When a package is shipped on your flight, it is usually consolidated with other packages and freight and packed into special containers that fit in the storage area under the passenger compartment. For instance, a Boeing 747-400 (one of the largest passenger planes) can hold 416 passengers along with 5,330 cubic feet (150 m3) of cargo. That’s about as much cargo as can fit in two semi-truck trailers.”
Katherine
Corona, via
https://saker.community/topic/protocol-non-pharmaceutical-for-covid-19-for-consideration/
is this true ?
for real ?
if it is, it is bad, however, i don’t believe it:
“– there is no immunity once you have it, and recover – your body does not generate an auto-immune response so, you can get it again. This recurrence is usually more serious as your body is already in trauma and has already sustained damage to the organs.”
This is actually why we saw the many grainy movies of Chinese folks just collapsing in the street. Many folks recover with lung sequela for example as a secondary consequence. And yes, there is no immunity from contracting this virus. The Chinese initially put much stock in plasma transfusions from folks that had recovered to folks that were newly infected. This was not a roaring success – because, no immunity. It is now clear that there are 5 ‘varieties’ here, and apart from first attacking the lungs, some secondary infections may be kidneys, heart muscle and other organs. Also, the cytokine storming stage may recover initially, but the oxygen deprivation can happen again later, while the physical system is still weak. It takes time to really really recover.
Angela Merkel’s plan counts on the population getting the disease and developing immunity to it.
The flaw with this is that after approximately a week of recovery, the recovered patient has no continued immunity to the disease, ie, the patient can be re-infected by the virus. I don’t have the link the at my fingertips, but this has been widely reported and could be the reality. If true, it will be a major problem
This article is from Whitney Webb, an investigative journalist who I’ve found to be most excellent.
Recent DARPA Experiments Raise Concerns Amid Coronavirus Outbreak:
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/bats-gene-editing-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
I think, by now, anyone with even partially working body parts, realized that 9/11 was an inside job. In fact, this was such a botched, and badly organized false flag event that it should be classified as a student comedy with atrocious acting skills, and no stage management. However, despite of all the evidence out there, I haven’t seen a single world leader making any statements in this regard. There is no outcry, no condemnation, or even acknowledgment of this obvious false flag.
Now, let us jump into our current timeline with this pandemic. The elites were whining about population control since forever, and breathlessly harping about upcoming pandemics through every imaginable channel. They were especially “terrified” of the aging population and the rising power of China. Recently, Bill Gate’s foundation conducted some pandemic drills (tones of links to it all over this forum), etc, etc… and all over sudden we have a virus that is dangerous for the aging population, and it wreaking havoc in China. However, I believe the main goal of it all is to create panic that would serve as a perfect cover for the upcoming financial collapse. People are frightened by the propaganda fear porn that is oozing through every media crack and, getting mentally soft to accept any explanation and outcome cooked up for them by the elites.
No matter how much evidence there is, there will be no international outcry, or acknowledgment of this crime, for us long as the empire remains useful to those who run it, and those who trade with it.
Recently, I was watching the old Looney Tunes Cartoons with my Grandchild and we were watching, “Duck Dodges in the 21st and a Half Century”
I don’t know if you’ve watched this cartoon starring Daffy Duck. You can view it here
https://vimeo.com/76668594
This cartoon was made in 1953 and like many Looney Tune cartoon’s, they are an extreme parody of life. But while watching this cartoon, it dawned on me that this cartoon is an almost perfect description of US Military policy and action.
I could write an article on this but I think we’ll leave it as a note with a snide laugh to be had by all.
Laughter is one of the best medicines. Thank you for this!
Wonderful!
Cartoonists for President!
Like the Saker, I do not think the corona virus outbreak was deliberate. The first thing that people crafty enough to unleash this sort of thing would think of is blowback. Perhaps the depopulationists–but this is a really ineffective way of going about it. I do think, however, that it arose in a “laboratory” of tens of millions of human subjects all undergoing an enormous experiment. Please humor me a moment.
If there were a deliberate element in all of this, it would be the hype and rush be the first to implement an untested technology about which dire warnings were already being sounded. It’s just that for the same reason anybody reading this far has already guessed what I’m getting at and is probably guffawing if still reading, is that we’ve had it explained to us by all sorts of psychologists how anybody concerned about electromagnetic fields is mental. I think even the industries and official organizations that are suppressing the massive amount of research results indicating valid reasons for concern believe their own hype, for the same reason a heavy smoker believes his own opinion on the evidence. The latest guidelines from ICNIRP (a private organization of industry insiders posing as an official regulatory body) are a travesty:
SUMMARY
“The only substantiated adverse health effects caused by exposure to radiofrequency EMFs are nerve stimulation, changes in the permeability of cell membranes, and effects due to temperature elevation. There is no evidence of adverse health effects at exposure levels below the restriction levels in the ICNIRP (1998) guidelines and no evidence of an interaction mechanism that would predict that adverse health effects could occur due to radiofrequency EMF exposure below those restriction levels.”
https://www.icnirp.org/cms/upload/publications/ICNIRPrfgdl2020.pdf
The evidence of harm is not a secret. In America, communities have acted on it to delay the rollout of 5G in the face of coercive national legislation, and in Europe, whole countries (Slovenia and Switzerland, though some cantons in the latter may have gone ahead with 5G anyway).
The very conditions that are noted to put a person at particular risk from COVID-19, diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, are also known to be caused by overexposure to man-made EMFs (they went under the name of “microwave sickness” in the Soviet Union). These people are more sensitive to further exposures. Moreover, man-made EMFs can lower immunity. 5G is a major escalation of what we have already done with our EMF environment, and most of the former technologies will remain and continue to contribute to it.
Thus the Saker’s advice to get away from the big cities is spot on. You’ve got a better chance there. But be aware that wiring problems in houses and other hidden sources of EMFs exist there too. A hand-held AM radio can pinpoint a lot of problems, and simple low-cost shielding against neighbors’ radiofrequency sources (see https://www.electricsense.com/) can provide you a place to recover. That is how I recovered from a COVID-like bug recently, together with vitamin C, fresh garlic chewed slowly and good nutrition.
For information on the main concerns regarding 5G, the international appeal against it summarizes them effectively. https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/the-appeal
The biggest problem with 5G from the perspective of people hoping to avoid it is that the only equipment that can currently measure it is very expensive and being used only by technicians installing and testing 5G. If you can find someone with microwave sickness and awareness of the cause (i.e., an “electro-hypersensitive” person) they can tell you where is better and where is worse. Generally, indoors is better, and up forested canyons beyond power lines is best from my recent experience.
We don’t know when exactly 5G is being turned on–presumably for testing before service–except from the word of people widely regarded as mental.
Yesterday’s discussion here gave me some interesting clues. The debility reported among the American servicemen participating in the games in Wuhan prior to the outbreak may have been caused by their first exposure to 5G in millimeter band frequencies, plus a history of being heavily exposed to radar and other strong EMF sources. I observed signs such as confusion, anxiety, emotional outbursts, withdrawal and forgetfulness among people in the weeks leading up to initiation of commercial 5G (in mm band I’ve read) in Japan (to start March 28). These seem to have subsided as people (myself included) have acclimatized, but I do not feel reassured by this.
Man-made EMFs are also known to promote mutations and stronger virulence. In the Global Research article a couple of people linked to yesterday https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196 it was noted that different strains seem to have arisen with greater virulence separately in both Italy and Iran. These are countries that have also adopted 5G in the mm band according to this source: https://www.change.org/p/city-of-melbourne-halt-testbed-1-5g-and-iot-test-trial/u/25832396?cs_tk=ArEEVL1_Lz-yAUt1YV4AAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvBwYxs1uJ4gLDQnr_lC6Y0Q%3D&utm_campaign=77dca0dea99e408c823f805d598d6d27&utm_content=initial_v0_2_0&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_term=cs
I am currently in a conversation with about 100 leading EMF scientists and activists who are wringing their hands trying to find a way to break through to the public about this issue. I think when the damage is up close and personal, no longer a mere abstraction, people will start to realize something must be done, but there needs to be a public discussion of the possibility that 5G may be playing a role in this pandemic. It is clearly not the only factor: the reduction in air pollution from China is probably helping China and all its neighbors. My asthma has decreased remarkably.
But I hope I have made a cogent case for attention to 5G.
If you have not, pls check out and contact Lena Pu.
She has done alot of work/research, both on the frequecies and the legal side.
Be safe there
Patricia, thank you kindly for your comprehensive write-up and links. Electromagnetic radiation which fills the ether around us is indeed one of most hidden and ignored dangers imposed onto living organisms including humanity.
“If there were a deliberate element in all of this, it would be the hype and rush be the first to implement an untested technology about which dire warnings were already being sounded. It’s just that for the same reason anybody reading this far has already guessed what I’m getting at and is probably guffawing if still reading . . .”
At which point I expected the experimental technology to be vaccines!
Actually, Dr. Osterholm does provide quite a lot of explanation as to why some vaccines do cause illness instead of curing it.
For sure now the world is crying out for a vaccine or two, and who will dare challenge that outcry?
Katherine
Katherine, I definitely consider that an important aspect of this too, and thank you for bringing it up. Look at any aspect of this that the mainstream press is calling disinformation or hysteria and suppressing any rational discussion of, and you’ll see a conflict of interest at the root. I received this link today, which is supportive of your point:
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/prestigious-vaccine-journal-flu-vaccine-increases-coronavirus-infection-risk-36-3?utm_campaign=Daily%20Newsletter%3A%20Prestigious%20VACCINE%20Journal%3A%20Flu%20Vaccine%20Increases%20Coronavirus%20Infection%20Risk%2036%25%20%28PdsuqS%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJwYXRAa2hha2kucGxhbGEub3IuanAiLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJLMnZYQXkifQ%3D%3D
someone in the comment share about jon rappoport. somehow out of all the comment i was interested to read his blog. i like what he write. he talks with sense.
this one is share-worthy. https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/02/04/the-chinese-virus-hiv-and-a-stranger-on-a-train/
content… how to identify virus? can the virus be considered as the cause?
lets put celebrity viruses in their reasonable place -mansoureh tajik
Immunity can be greatly strengthened by a 3-day fast.
The old adage “feed a cold and starve a fever”. If it’s serious- fast.
Fasting for 72 hours leads to a stimulating of stem cells that create fresh young vibrant white blood cells.
Also less but still effective is the ketogenic diet and intermittent fasting which stimulates autophagy – killing off of old cells that allows for some rejuvenation via stem cells.
Okie… I dont recommand to anyone and this is NOT medical advice…
When the viral event first broke out, I immediately went into 40days water fast
and after that I switch into inttermitten fast… Probably will be on it until this viral event is cleared.
For a start, no more sugar and thats already a very good thing :)
Not only for the biological triggers/benefit as mentioned,
I wanted to tap into the spiritual realms for ‘answers’
Again NOT FOR Everyone
(and you need a whole lot of preperation before hand)
Be safe there
Compare this https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/03/12/620729/Iran-Leader-order-headquarters-coronavirus
with what our ‘news stations’ (and fine, elected, felons) are saying about the same subject.
The difference is like night and day.
As far as I know, there are no known tests for Corona virus. So, anyone with a common flu symptom gets to be grounded and isolated. This doesn’t sound good.
Sorry to be rude Kinzaza but this is just wrong. There are lots of tests – mostly effective ones unlike the ones in the USA. They are easily able to distinguish between the flue and this virus. The problem is shortage of test kits and the desire for the UK and USA not to have high numbers. if you do not look then it will be OK.
OK. in case this was missed: Remember that 911 was Muslim terrorists, too at first.
https://greatgameindia.com/dr-francis-boyle-creator-of-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-is-biological-warfare-weapon/
and this WHO scientists gives a very informative report: ( more acceptably mainstream, too)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUI6DIswmFk&feature=emb_rel_end/
Virologists and epidemiologists have yet to discount that the coronavirus was a bio attack. This does NOT mean that it was an attack, merely that the possibility of a bio attack cannot be discounted. While there remains a lot of circumstantial and anecdotal “evidence” that this was an economic attack perpetrated by America against China, this does NOT prove conclusively that such an attack took place, nor does it prove that such an attack did not take place. There is an abstract submitted to ChinaXIV (a research website) that, although not yet peer reviewed, suggests that the virus dd NOT originate at the Wuhan Seafood Market and that it was introduced:
Any reference as to who introduced the coronavirus to the market is pure speculation at this juncture, although the circumstantial and anecdotal evidence could be construed as overwhelming against the US considering the timing, geographic location and proximity to the Wuhan Seafood Market of the US soldiers present for the International Military Games.
I am not a virologist or epidemiologist (I am an engineer), however it is not completely out of the realms of possibility for a virus to make the transition from animal to human host; and the conditions in which animals are kept in Wuhan and surrounding areas is certainly not of the same standard as the West – both from the perspective of hygiene and humanitarian considerations. Another abstract that does looks into the origins of the virus states:
Much mention has been made of the corona-virus in question (COVID-19) binding to the ACE-2 receptors found in the lungs and heart – most particularly in those of Asian heritage. It would not be outside the realms of science for this to be a logical target for the virus, given its geographic location, but the hypothesis of it being engineered to target a specific racial genotype is also not outside the realms of possibility.
I agree with Andrei’s analysis that a bio-weapon is both unwieldy and difficult to control when used in a purely military application, but when used as an economic weapon, the possibility is mentioned in the odious The Project for a New American Century’s (PNAC) report titled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century.”
This does not prove that the tragedy unfolding out of Wuhan was a bio-weapon, but certainly demonstrates the possibility of intent. At this juncture, neither side of the argument can provide any proof, so the the hypothesis remains pure speculation. The Chinese government is not directly accusing the US of a bio attack, but it is extremely worrying that both the Russian and Chinese governments remain highly suspicious.
Great comment AndyT.
Personally I’m more inclined to think that it’s a tinkered bat coronavirus (not necessarily for malevolent purposes) that escaped from the Wuhan lab but I’m keeping an open mind.
At any rate I think that people should be concerned — concerned but not panic — because it’s still early days yet and not much is known about the natural history of the virus ie is it going to end up like the Sars virus (SARS-CoV) and virtually “disappear” with no reports of outbreaks for more than a decade now or get established like MERS-CoV with sporadic outbreaks. What is certain is that we don’t need commentary based on speculation and passed as ‘facts’ aimed at generating further uncertainty and panic. Once the facts get established people will return to their senses and act sensibly. Scenes like the ‘feeding frenzy’ for toilet paper in the vid below will end.
https://youtu.be/df6K9qMr67w
Cargo will be affected; is already definitely being affected. Most air cargo moves on passenger planes. As airlines are canceling passenger flights, that cargo space is being lost as well. Air freighter space, always in high demand, is being squeezed even more. For example, my company ships a lot to the UK. There is a direct Denver London daily flight, our cargo goes out on that. The word today is that united, who operates that flight, is looking to cancel the flight due to lack of passengers. There goes that cargo space. So we’ll have to rely on freighters, and there aren’t that many of them. And they only fly out of major hubs, Chicago, LAX, etc. That will increase costs and transit times. And our freight will sit, waiting for available space. And our engineers, will sit waiting to do installs, but still getting paid. More costs. We also do more extensive business in the EU. And the idiot in chief just took all that cargo space coming from the EU out of play. Economic impact?? Holy sh*t yes!! And we’re just one company. Imagine.
Maybe something more serious things r happening.
Dear Saker: I am a little confused here.
You request that opinions should be limited to fact based…
but in the next sentence you state “The truth is that NONE OF US really knows for a fact what this virus can do, we are all guessing.”
well ….whether fact based or speculative here are two alternate views>
“My own view on the Coronavirus situation, is that I trust the Chinese Government to be doing all it can possibly do, to contain the epidemic.
There are a lot of people there, living in close proximity…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlF0LcQO9Tg
In that context, Steve Bannon is just using inflammatory language throughout, to diss the CCP
I can well understand why the CCP will not allow any US personel anywhere near the patients, nor allow them to have access to any of the medical data.
If Bannon is implying that the CCP has something to hide, then the CCP also has its own suspicions as to how this virus suddenly appeared…
A lot of stuff has in the past come out of Livermore Labs… and in the UK from Porton Down, which “should not” be released… I know of southern coastal cities in the UK being sprayed with viruses from the air in the 1950s – a deliberate programme supported by the UK government…
The CCP will also be fully aware of British activities within Syria …and then there is the Skripal incident, a home-grown Boris the Buffoon manufactured crisis…
If one looks at UK and US official government behaviour towards Hong Kong, then one can easily surmise that there are attempts to find other means to destabilise China…
Just saying…”
Another view >
“There was an interesting item on Facebook a few days back, claiming to be written by a Chinese military official, a staunch supporter of the communist party and the government, but a man ‘with a conscience.’
He claimed the virus was manufactured with a view to causing reduction of higher brain functions (i.e. lowering the IQ) and inducing docility into those who are protesting in Hong Kong.
It was first tested, according to his narrative, more discreetly on rounded-up Uighurs in the prison camps, well away from anywhere likely to be observed, and everyone who was exposed, died. There was a massive clean-up and cover-up operation
Realising it needed more work if it was to be deployed in HK, they did some further modifications and had intended to do a new test in Hubei, but this was pre-empted by a shoot-out near the meat market that has been mooted as the source of the outbreak. Someone, I’m not sure now who he reckoned it was, attempted to ‘kidnap the bio weapon in order to grab the technology it represented, but the consignment was hit by a bullet and the virus escaped. Those in charge ensured there were no survivors as witnesses in that area.
He further claimed that the mortality rate is actually 100% but that it has been put about that it is only 2% – this underplaying being with the complicity of the USA, Russia and the UK and presumably the EU, in order to forestall mass panic. He claimed only those wearing hazmat suits stand any chance, and that the pandemic will claim the lives of all but top officials who have recourse to protective measures. He said that the actual symptoms in the final stages are up to five days of agonising pain with internal organs haemorrhaging in a similar way to Ebola.
Of course, the article was anonymously written, as he said his life and that of his family would be forfeit if he were to be identified. Which makes it a narrative that is easy to fake but impossible to completely refute. “
Livermore Labs? It does not do biological research and development.
Nuclear energy and nuclear weapons, nanotechnology, IT computing, chemistry, isotopes, but nothing biological.
Why is it that all you get from the medical authorities are platitudes? ‘Wash your hands’ , ‘Stay 2 meters away from people’ etc.
How about some useful data like how contagious is it and how long can the virus last on different surfaces? Anecdotally I have heard everything from 2 minutes to 9 days and everything in between. Where’s the science?
Surely to goodness after at least 2-3 months of infections and lab tests there should be hard reliable data with all the nuance necessary e.g. humidity, temperature, whether soap, UV, bleach and what percent alcohol kills it and how long that will take to kill it. How long are hand sanitisers functional?
@Conjecture
All your questions are answered in the official chinese gov social media platform for the local chinese public (as guidelines) but they are not in english – sorry
Maybe your gov will come up with something? Or you can ask specific question here and somebody (or me) can try to answer them?
Be safe there
There’s specific ones above in my post -how long is it contagious on hard surfaces for example?.
I notice today that Gordon Duff, who can be a bit over the top, has the same question about lack of data:
“To examine the facts, and facts are “slim to none,” skill sets curiously withheld will be applied. First of all, and perhaps above all as well, that facts are “slim to none” is telling.”
https://journal-neo.org/2020/03/12/covid-19-an-engineered-pandemic/
Please answer the specific questions -or join the ‘League of platitudes’.
Idiot-in-Chief’s best performance so far
https://youtu.be/BWO6i8cH8SA
Dear Saker, please tag on Telegram what kind of post it is. For example i would nornally read only your own post and ignore anything else. Now I need to click to know if This is your post or not. I would like to see the category on Telegram right away.
Can I say couple of jokes my Polish friend wrote to me few days ago?
1. The indication of it being manufactured is the fact that it dies when body temperature drops to 30degC.
2. This is so Polish: keep drinking Vodka, first it gets the virus drunk and then it keels it.
How about this for scientific evidence:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196
there are 5 haplotypes of the virus. China has a different one from Italy and from Iran. Taiwan again has a different type. There is only one country where early on all five types were present, which thus must count as the origin of the epidemic, according to the Taiwanese virologist and epidemiologist: the USA.
What puzzles me is Holland got infected by dutch returning from a holiday in Italy, yet Holland has a virus with a different haplotype from the Italian strain, it is as if the virus mutated and adapted to the dutch phenotype (ethnicity).
Perhaps the US has more haplotypes of the virus is because USA is a multicultural country.
OK, let’s see if this post is going to be censored like many of my posts in the past.
Yup, with that opening, you made it certain that your post would be intercepted.
Cry me a river :-P
The Saker
I prefer the term “Bullshitter in Chief”.
1- If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
2 – Let your intuition decide, the first thing coming to mind, do not doubt, it is most definitely right.
I do not buy the theory of a US bioweapon attack on China or an accidental release of a bioweapon in US before China as Old Microbiologist is saying, because as the epidemic is behaving in all the countries, without draconian lockdowns the epidemic destroy the health system of every single country in few weeks, so I do not believe this extremely infectious and dangerous (for many people) virus was during many weeks circulating for USA before reaching China, then other countries in Asia and Europe, and after fully 3 months starting to hit hard US.
The reasons for the 5 strains is globalization, and USA is at the center of it and it is the country that receive more visits from the rest of the world.
What I could believe is an accidental release of a chimeric virus, (probably made to find vaccines) in China, that was repeatedily researched for example in the following studies:
Doctor Zhengli-Li Shi, this woman, as top researcher in Wuhan Instute of Virology, wrote with his group of Wuhan in 2015 the following article I have read & study because I think it is extremely interesting for all what they said:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
I invite the commentariat to read carefully the full length article, and I extract some paragraphs I consider interesting, for example they say:
“Therefore, to examine the emergence potential (that is, the potential to infect humans) of circulating bat CoVs, we built a chimeric virus encoding a novel, zoonotic CoV spike protein—from the RsSHC014-CoV sequence that was isolated from Chinese horseshoe bats1—in the context of the SARS-CoV mouse-adapted backbone. The hybrid virus allowed us to evaluate the ability of the novel spike protein to cause disease independently of other necessary adaptive mutations in its natural backbone. Using this approach, we characterized CoV infection mediated by the SHC014 spike protein in primary human airway cells and in vivo, and tested the efficacy of available immune therapeutics against SHC014-CoV”
So they create a “chimeric” SARS-CoV virus that can cause disease (in humans)
They continue:
“we synthesized the SHC014 spike in the context of the replication-competent, mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone (we hereafter refer to the chimeric CoV as SHC014-MA15) to maximize the opportunity for pathogenesis and vaccine studies in mice (Supplementary Fig. 2a). Despite predictions from both structure-based modeling and pseudotyping experiments, SHC014-MA15 was viable and replicated to high titers in Vero cells”
So they “maximize the opportunity for pathogenesis” and “replicate to high titers”. Very interesting…
And then they continue saying:
“To test the ability of the SHC014 spike to mediate infection of the human airway, we examined the sensitivity of the human epithelial airway cell line Calu-3 2B4 (ref. 9) to infection and found robust SHC014-MA15 replication, comparable to that of SARS-CoV Urbani (Fig. 1c). To extend these findings, primary human airway epithelial (HAE) cultures were infected and showed robust replication of both viruses”
So in the last paragraph they have found that the new chimeric virus they have created (they called it SHC014-MA15) “show robust replication” in human cells. A great success I guess…
But they continue with the research and say:
“We next analyzed infection in more susceptible, aged (12-month-old) animals. SARS-MA15–infected animals rapidly lost weight and succumbed to infection”
So they test the new chimeric virus (they call it SARS-MA15 and also SCH014-MA15) in mice and they saw a high pathogenicity in the lungs of the animals, more acute in older ones.
Then they continue with the trials of the SHC014-MA15 chimeric virus they created:
“Similarly, antibodies 230.15 and 227.14, which were derived from memory B cells of SARS-CoV–infected patients13, also failed to block SHC014-MA15 replication (Fig. 2b,c). For all three antibodies, differences between the SARS and SHC014 spike amino acid sequences corresponded to direct or adjacent residue changes found in SARS-CoV escape mutants (fm6 N479R; 230.15 L443V; 227.14 K390Q/E), which probably explains the absence of the antibodies’ neutralizing activity against SHC014. Finally, monoclonal antibody 109.8 was able to achieve 50% neutralization of SHC014-MA15, but only at high concentrations (10 μg/ml) (Fig. 2d). Together, the results demonstrate that broadly neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV may only have marginal efficacy against emergent SARS-like CoV strains such as SHC014.”
So it seems that the new chimeric virus they created is quite resilient to the antibodies normally used to treat SARS. So there are not good news.
Still more about the risks of their chimeric virus:
“the creation of chimeric viruses such as SHC014-MA15 was not expected to increase pathogenicity. Although SHC014-MA15 is attenuated relative to its parental mouse-adapted SARS-CoV, similar studies examining the pathogenicity of CoVs with the wild-type Urbani spike within the MA15 backbone showed no weight loss in mice and reduced viral replication23. Thus, relative to the Urbani spike–MA15 CoV, SHC014-MA15 shows a gain in pathogenesis (Fig. 1). On the basis of these findings, scientific review panels may deem similar studies building chimeric viruses based on circulating strains too risky to pursue, as increased pathogenicity in mammalian models cannot be excluded”
So they recognize they have created a very dangerous chimeric virus with a high pathogenesis, nobody expect to be more pathogenic (paradigm change), and easily transmitted in human cells and hard to fight by antibodies, and they said at the end “building chimeric viruses based on circulating strains too risky to pursue, as increased pathegenicity in mammalian models cannot be excluded”
Do you feel a cold sweat?
At the end of the article they said:
“Coupled with restrictions on mouse-adapted strains and the development of monoclonal antibodies using escape mutants, research into CoV emergence and therapeutic efficacy may be severely limited moving forward. Together, these data and restrictions represent a crossroads of GOF research concerns; the potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens. In developing policies moving forward, it is important to consider the value of the data generated by these studies and whether these types of chimeric virus studies warrant further investigation versus the inherent risks involved ”
So I have some questions to ask:
a) What are the probabilities that a strange new virus, never seen before, very easily transmitted and very pathogenic, started exactly some thousands meters from the research lab where these people were creating dangeorus SARS chimeric viruses one day and the following?
b) What are the probabilities that a new “wild” virus be so similar to this chimeric virus created in 2015 for this study? Could it be a self-fulfilling prophecy?
In not saying it is a bioweapon, it’s too early to tell either way, but keep in mind, that if the virus is in fact a bioweapon unleashed on (and not accidentally by) the Chinese, the best place to unleash it would be close to the only lab where the Chinese would have similar viruses and similar research. It gives you plausible deniability as people would much rather believe an accidental release by the Chinese than a deliberate release by others.
Despite all the evils we know our western governments have unleashed upon the world and continue to do, somehow we still fool ourselves into believing that those ‘clumsy’ and ‘incompetent’ Chinese can’t be trusted to handle dangerous toys and only ‘we’, the western countries, can do so responsibly.
We still refuse to disbelieve other big lies our countries tell us, because we still see ourselves, and by extension our representatives and governments, as the good guys.
There was a general consensus that Trump was likely to win in 2020, especially if put against the ailing Biden, and that the only things that could possibly stop him were either a bungled war or an economic crisis.
In the first month of the election year 2020 we’ve seen the US come dangerously close to a war with Iran (which would likely expose just how vulnerable the US is, if not militarily than economically as oil shipments from the Gulf would have come to a halt and a currency war unleashed) and a pandemic whose main effect has not been on health but on economies as it is sending most of, if not the entire world into a deep economic recession. I can’t help but wonder, who’s the real target here? How many birds is this stone supposed to hit?
We keep falling back to ‘old’ geo-political thinking, pitting nations against each other, assuming they are monolithic and assign motivations on that basis, ignoring the very basis of the neoliberal globalist movement, namely that they are footloose and not beholden to national interests but instead have their own, opaque ones. Elites in one country share more interests with the elites in other countries (including adversarial ones) than with their own ‘lesser’ countrymen.
I don’t know what to make of what is happening in the world right now, and for me that is scary because it is obviously more than traditional geopolitical manoeuvring between nation-states, but those other actors aren’t in the open and their actions therefor unpredictable. There is more going on here.
It feels like we are living in truly historic times, but being right in the middle of it, we can’t properly see it happening as it is happening, catching only glimpses, which we tend to misinterpret.
R
President Trump is calling a National Emergency; America is about to run out of toilet paper.
The most interesting piece of information to come to light in the last 24 hours were via the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman.
I think this is an area that needs more exploring
https://www.rt.com/news/483018-china-us-theory-coronavirus-spokesman/
“…China has declined to distance itself from the accusations made by a foreign ministry spokesman alleging US involvement in the coronavirus epidemic, arguing that opinions vary on how the health crisis started.
Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang wouldn’t comment on Friday about remarks made by colleague Zhao Lijian. Instead, the ministry official stated that the international community had differing opinions about the origin of the Covid-19, Reuters reported. Geng also chose not to discuss whether Zhao’s theory — that it may have been the US military that brought the deadly disease to Wuhan — matched Beijing’s official position.
Geng had earlier lashed out at Washington for claiming that Beijing had engaged in a “cover-up” to hide the outbreak, widely believed to have begun in China’s Hubei province. He told reporters that now was the time to “come together to fight [the virus] instead of leveling accusations and attacks against each other, which is not constructive at all.”
The theory put forward by Geng’s colleague on Thursday caused a flurry of activity on social media. In a tweet, Zhao shared a video of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director Robert Redfield apparently disclosing that the US had several deaths from coronavirus before they were able to test for it.
“When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!” Zhao wrote….”
So the main question has to go back to the real time and place the outbreak occurred – the USA not China.
Why aren’t the US being transparent with its data? It makes sense when you see the overdrive by the MSM in the West to spend nearly two months demonising China, blaming bats and the Sinophobia it unleashed. Whilst doing not much until now to curb the spread of the virus in the West and the lack of help to co-ordinate and help China. The virus is being used to distract too from the collapse of the global markets and the massive trillion dollars derivatives bubble.
Perhaps the purpose of the virus outbreak is not to exterminate people, but to cause a worldwide crisis, crash the economy, and bring in medical martial law. In which case it is doing a very good job.
Instead of trying to prove it is a gmo virus deliberately released, perhaps naysayers should try proving it is a natural occurrence. They will not be able to prove this. There is too much contradictory evidence. Therefore arguing about it is a waste of time. Both possibilities should be kept in mind.
Recall the 911 event. Many people still believe the official conspiracy theory about arabs flying planes into the trade towers, causing them to collapse, in spite of much evidence to the contrary. Yet the 900 page patriot act was ready within days. Its purpose was manifold — including dismantling the US Constitution, and starting wars in the middle east. It has been very successful in this aim.
See the Anthrax, Congress and the Patriot Act. (unconstitutional act that were passed into law).
CIA bioweapon with a specific purpose.
https://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/09/918.html
Corona viruses are omnipresent. This 2019-nCoV is one among thousands of corona viruses that have been there for centuries. Now, suppose that, the Chinese government chose, and I want to stress it, chose, to treat it as a dangerous enemy, worth closing entire cities and grinding most of the country to a halt.
Why? Why such a ground breaking reaction to a simple common virus? China utterly overreacted? You bet.
Why? Because they could, because they could afford a significant slowdown in their economy.
I mean, if they new in advance they would freeze the country they would do it only when they were absolutely sure they would go through it and survive and get back to business in a better position comparatively to other countries.
If this was the case, then you have a situation that is entirely under the control of China.
One of the advantages of this Chinese move, for them, would be to seriously damage the health of Empire! Disruptions in the global suply chains are indeed severely agravating economic systems worldwide, among them and not least, the USA.
As if to add insult to injury, a little down the road, loyal partner Russia decides to give the world a gift and lowers the prices of… oil. Wich causes immediate plunges in the shale fracking American industry.
If the Chinese acted according to a scenario of this type, Bravo ! they have the western imperialist countries seriously worried!
Excellent comment. I thought about this, too. I think all we can do is to speculate.
Biological weapons also offer deniability: attacks can look like natural outbreaks, and they are difficult to attribute.
https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/04/17/new-killer-pathogens-countering-coming-bioweapons-threat-pub-76009
I see three possible scenarios here:
It could be a massive set-up with no real virus at all and a lot of show, that possibility can at this stage not yet be ruled out, though the more people succumb to it, the more unlikely this scenario gets. This scenario only makes sense if all global governments are somehow coordinating secretly to make it happen. Something I know will not find a lot of sympathizers on this website. Speaking for the show factor are all the high profile politicians and stars quickly catching the virus for added drama. The spotty, low resolution videos coming out of China that purportedly show a situation completely out of control conveniently promoted by Twitter to increase panic. And now an Italian professional actor filming himself and his purportedly dead sister who succumbed to the Virus and how he was deserted by the Italian government. Etc…
It could be a bioweapon, the virus could be real and deadly, this would underscore some of the NWO-conspiracies, which I’m sure most readers here are aware of. The west planted it knowing it would spread globally. This would lower global population, especially among elderly (baby-boomers and older who burden the pension system). Some of these conspiracy theories posit this to be one of their major goals. Sending the global economy into a complete and utter tailspin and cutting global trade-flows is also a precursor to wars (this has been observed in the past by countless economists and historians). Which as the Saker has rightly pointed out emphatically is the path we are sadly on.
It’s a nautral viral mutation that first breached the animal-human transmission barrier in early December at some Wuhan meat market and adapted almost immediately to highly infectious human-to-human transmission, with no difficulty at all. Governments around the world didn’t see this coming, but pundits such as billionaire Bill Gates – fortunately for us all – conducted simulations just months before the outbreak to be better prepared now. And we just need to wait and follow the government to fix it all.
Scenario 2 seems to me to be the most likely scenario, unfortunately, as points from scenario 1 also get covered by it.
I’m perfectly open to other ideas and thoughts of course, considering that all countries are basically hit by this infection I discard the theory of this being a bio-weapon attack on China that by accident has backfired on the west, simply because a lot of media outlets such as the Economist already said by Jan 31st that we would probably face a global pandemic. The cards were pretty much in the open early on.
More evidence that the virus outbreak was planned many months ago.
The CDC was advertising for public health advisors for the ***quarantine*** program last November.
https://jobs.cdc.gov/job/dallas/public-health-advisor-quarantine-program/250/14136286
A few observations regarding the novel COVID virus. I think there is so much misinformation circulating right now it clouds our perception. So far I’ve observed both people who actively try to downplay the impact of the virus, for various reasons, but their need to downplay the impact and even the seriousness of the virus is affected by their preconceptions, whether ideological or another type of agenda. The kind of rhetoric they use ranges from a Soros conspiracy to the virus being a mere distraction and deliberately forced by the media. On the other hand, we had people who rejoiced at the outbreak in China, rooting for the collapse of China and making predictions that the virus would bring about an economic and political collapse of China. These people (in my experience) were usually USA and/or Western supremacists.
As for the real situation, I find it hard to asses. Right now we’re facing a significant outbreak across Europe, the WHO director said yesterday the epidemic is already worse in Europe than it was during its peak in China. We might explain it by the fact Europe did not and likely will not reach for the type of measures China implemented, something that in part may be explained by the EU globalist, neoliberal, open border dogma which colors all of their actions. Right now, countries in Europe are closing schools, introducing restrictions on public gatherings, and closing borders as well. Realistically we can expect the increase in the number of infected across Europe, with the key question being whether the health systems can cope with the pressure of the epidemic. Italy is the prime example of a country failing to implement the right measures on time which resulted in the explosion of cases and now the health system is having trouble coping with the sheer numbers of people affected.
Honestly, the people suggesting the virus is a ‘bioweapon’ lack any seriousness and credibility. The easiest thing to do is to sit in your home and at your desk and type long and convoluted conspiracy theories, most of which are completely divorced from reality.
Let’s not jump to conclusions yet the fact is, we (not the Chinese of course) didn’t take COVID as seriously as we should have.
Maybe having Trudeau and Tom Hanks infected will make us take it more serious in the west?
If you just blurt out that people suggesting the virus is a bioweapn lack seriousness, then why is China now claiming the US holds responsiblity for the outbreak? Or are you saying the Chinese are just trying to ‘smear the US’ like Fox News would have us believe?
The last one can do in this discussion is to counter the arguments with science as to why this is a naturally virus and argue why all the predictive programming from films, and stars to Trump’s ‘Covfefe’ Tweets should be ignored. If I’m not seeing counter arguments I don’t see credibility.
Honestly, I think we are both aware of the fact that the side making the initial claim is the one responsible for backing it up with evidence. In this case, if you or someone else claims the virus to be a bioweapon, then it’s up to you to provide appropriate evidence to back up such claims. So far, the evidence seems to point out that the virus outbreak originated with China and was transmitted from bats. This is what we know, though, it is quite possible (and likely I say) that we still lack other vital information.
China is not claiming the US is responsible for the virus, the implication, if I’m not mistaken was, that COVID originated with US soldiers in Wuhan and that it was already present in the US.
“Conspiracy theorist ,Conspiracy“
A term or trope,used by official,self appointed,misinformed,brainwashed and,or,unwitting members of the hereby metaphorically termed;DDDDD(Department of
Desecration,Disinformation,
Destruction and Disease).
Being
Disrespectful
Denigrative
And
Derogatory.
This trope is commonly entertained and used by people who are trained,misinformed,ill informed,don’t want to know or who are fearful of the pursuit of knowledge and information by others whom they wish to dominate politically,intellectually or by other more dangerous methods.
Try,if you dare,putting this above into “….pedia”
and see what happens.
The above definition is shown as an example of what is defined as a “theorem”in the selfsame “….pedia”
As referenced by the words
“proven to be true,generally accepted”in the offered definition thereof.
Following from this observation it is posited that the correct term applied should be “Conspiracy Theorem”
Given what is generally accepted and proven to be true by a large number of individuals.
The weaponization of the term ‘Conspiracy Theory’ doesn’t necessarily mean there aren’t real conspiracy theories out there. The inflation of real conspiracy theories gives the elites a perfect excuse to dismiss all essential and well-founded criticism of their policies as a ‘conspiracy theory’.
For the love of mary. Please stop with the bioweapon bullshit. Sure they exist. But covid virus is not one of them. It’s a flu. Last Winter I suffered terribly from the flu ( northern hemisphere). The flu sucks. And it has and will kill people. To negate this by talking of bioweapons is really a bit too much. This is about as silly as believing enough ‘novichok’ to kill 800k people just offed two
…..and the other (intended) victims are alive and well under witness protection. Look here: if it was a bioweapon, it would be a lousy one. More people have died this year of the normal flu, of measles, of poverty, of war. Please. Some sanity.
We need a Defender Europe 2020 thread.
If this is not a serious bioweapon grade virus but some normal more potent flu as West and Spore leaders are propagating, will China leadership take such super action to lock down 11M Wuhan city within 3wks of reporting of the suspected virus?
Subsequently it was extended to 60M Hubei province (equivalent to a UK), eventually a war like curfew of entire country of 1400M people.
Such economic, social, politics and global geopolitics cost is astronomical. Consider a 4mths shut down of a $14.8T GDP ($24T PPP) economic body, world largest mfg hub, with a 1400M population to sustain, how many $T & millions jobs are sacrificed? The free medical & quarantine cost is still open end.
Think about it, will any sane gov leaders make such costly decision for a normal flu to risk derail nation fate and destabilize own power legitimacy if goes wrong?
These Chinese leaders are carefully selected among 90M best elites from 1.4B Chinese with ave IQ105, tested & proven over 40yrs in various portfolio. They are not like US leaders, any comedian Reagon or conman Trumps will do.
The lockdown is a well studied and considered decision made over few weeks by the highest Politburo collective leadership.
All grassroot level leaders, medical, military and entire nation resources are systematically activated like a real war.
China No.1 biowarfare preventive unit chief was also despatched to Wuhan to study the case. She was the one that help Africa developed Ebola vaccines quickly to contain the “African targeted” outbreak.
Sure China know better than us. Historically, China foreign office takes all their speech seriously. When it says something like this, they must have mean something.
During initial crisis China may be too tied up. To openly claim bioweapon attack will warrant a disastrous WMD retaliation. As the virus get contain now, China may be more willing to do something. If its truly a US-UK-Israel-India evil axis biowarfare attack, A nasty retaliation is awaiting.
US, Israel & India have been waging systematic media warfare to smear China since last year March, smearing Wuhan lab is developing Coronavirus bioweapon and releasing on its own people. How did they know so well in advance?
https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/
!!!! A COUP, ACCOMPLISHED !!!!
The virus, and MSM, have been successfully used by Wall Street.
Wall Street has usurped Congress’ control of government spending while we slept.
*************
OPEN LETTER TO CONGRESS
Dear Congress Critter,
Is Congress going to give exploitative rapists trillions of dollars under the pretext of saving the US economy which they have wrecked??
It is the perpetrators of the pernicious chaos that are being offered the reins of government control, and they have the audacity to ask for immunity from exposure ?
Your constituent,
John Q. Public
******************************
If the rumor that the US Treasury (i.e., Stephen Mnuchin of Goldman Sachs, the firm characterized as a vampire squid on the face of humanity.) has been authorized as of March 27 to purchase bad debt from the Fed and drop the bad debt that was purchased from Too Big To Fail banks [TBTF] onto the US taxpayers [to save Wall Street from bankruptcy] is true — [[[[and it appears to be confirmed]]]—, we must conclude Wall Street, as hidden owners of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, Inc., [BOG] has formulated a coup and Wall Street, who is the creators of the crisis, is now wanting to control the economic reins of the Nation to save their *$$.
And the Fed wants to be exempt from FOIA requests ??? I can see why. Wall Street wants to hide all the trashy MBS’s, derivatives, and such they created and now want to dump them on the taxpayers and citizens of this nation.
Pundits have claimed bad debts of the TBTF banks exceed $1,500 trillion. And the bankers will eventually want the citizens of this nation to buy this debt from them ?? And to protect their equity value in the six mega-corporations ?? Of course, they will start with a paltry $200 billion gift for a few small businesses they have loaned money.
Every dollar of deficit spending shows up in TreasuryDirect Institutional Treasury securities auction accounts as ‘New Cash’ which is transferred to Wall Street banks as clear profit without consideration. TD ignores questions for documented clarification. They want to hide the embezzlement of $23 trillion over the past 100 years. Ref. https://www.spartareport.com/2019/11/the-federal-reserve-a-different-view/. Since the FRBNY has exclusive control of all disbursements of auction funds, TD must get the values from FRBNY. Ref. 31 USC 375.3.
*********************************
The – [Ft. Detrick] – virus is the distraction from the economic collapse which was already pending from the Federal Reserve//Wall Street high-risk fool-hardy agenda.
A New York doctor who has treated >500 cases with 100% cure rate. Relief can be in 4-6 hours and cure in 6 days: https://newsthud.com/ny-doctor-successfully-treats-patients-with-drug-cocktail-zero-deaths-zero-hospitalizations-zero-intubations/ The open letter was sent to White House 10 days ago. Also, https://forward.com/news/national/442285/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-trump-doctor/ with 500 patients; and https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28/dr-vladimir-zelenko-now-treated-699-coronavirus-patients-100-success-using-hydroxychloroquine-sulfate-zinc-z-pak-update/; https://therightscoop.com/watch-ny-doctor-says-his-hospital-already-using-chloroquine-for-coronavirus-patients-and-have-had-zero-deaths/; and 4 other sites.
The virus was discussed years before the spread from Ft. Detrick; the cure was known. https://vinsuprynowicz.com/?p=8359 . The origin of the virus is identified as Ft. Detrick. Ref. https://www.altermidya.net/opinion-origin-of-covid-19-ecological-historical-and-geopolitical-perspective/
The virus is going to be blamed as the cause of the economic collapse. The TBTF banks have led the nation to insolvency and will use the Fed to cover the bankruptcy of its owners. Then they will use the Fed to foreclose on the US national debt.
The select Primary Dealers/TBTF banks own shares of the BOG, Inc. The BOG is [alleged to be] a closely held corporation that does not have to file SEC reports. They have skimmed $22 trillion [illegal] profit over 100 years. They are using the Fed to protect their [bankrupt] banks and their ownership of six mega-corporations. Ref. https://www.spartareport.com/2019/11/the-federal-reserve-a-different-view/.
The ultimate end is the Fed [read Wall Street] will be used to foreclose on the $23 trillion national debt of the US. https://ppjg.me/2019/11/18/scenario-of-national-bankruptcy/. An alternate plan, underway, by the Treasury Department [read Wall Street] uses government Special Purpose Vehicle purchases of the Fed’s (bad) Debt Chasm to “stabilize the economy.” Ref. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/feds-cure-risks-being-worse-110052807.html; https://realinvestmentadvice.com/macroview-is-the-debt-chasm-too-big-for-the-fed-to-fill/. Congress no longer controls the purse strings of the nation.
The scheme can be exposed by FOIA, however, the Fed is pushing for legislation to prevent exposure. Ref. https://thedailycoin.org/2020/02/19/federal-reserve-transparency/. The biggest criminals in the world are running the TBTF banks.