I often post here materials which I do not agree with, primarily to elicit an interesting discussion. Today, again, I will post a warning by Sergei Glaz’ev who is a person for whom I have a great deal of respect and sympathy, but with whom I also often disagree. In this case, I am beginning to wonder if Glaz’ev might not be correct. I am planning to write an “analysis of the unthinkable”, i.e. a US/NATO attack on Russia, in the next few days (as soon as I have the time, hopefully Thursday morning). In the meantime, I leave you with this warning by Glaz’ev and a question:
Do you believe that the US/NATO is really crazy enough to actually use military force against Russia and/or Novorussia?
Please let me know in the comments section below.
Thanks a lot, kind regards,
The Saker
Here, in the meantime, is Glaz’ev’s warning:
@ Nabil202 @ 00:17
100% agreed. If Russia doesn’t draw the line it will be drawn for them to their great disadvantage. Russia CAN NOT ALLOW the US and its EU stooges to have all the time they need to work their schemes. Russia has no “partners” in the west. Russia DOES have enemies which seek to destroy it and enslave her people. RUSSI -MUST-ACT..the political. Call the bluff while its still (mostly) a Bluff..in 6 months It will be tooo late. Enforce the no -fly, and inform NATO any encroachment anywhere from this day forward mean war! nOT. oNE. mORE. inch..Do you know what will happen? After about a week of dire threats this whole mess will end. The US will want to “negotiate”. Except for all the murdered it will be as if it never happened EXCEPT, Russia will be in a much stronger place. Refuse to stand up ? Russia is finished.
Realistically, I think the war will be more likely been fought between Russia and NATO, but with Soldiers from the a few Russophobic members such as Poland. It is in fact, already the case.
Since you are in US, you must already know how the public think of this Ukraine problem, and their view of RF. It is not very good to RF at all. While I think US public will not want to go to war with Russia, but no one should rule it out.
> Yes they will. As we have known for some time the lunatics are running the asylum.
And what’s even worse: they get their advice/”intelligence” hints from an .
Real asylum: former St. Elizabeth Hospital for insane, which has been reconstructed for the HQ of the DHS & Co.
Best regards,
shed
And that’s not a joke.
Good piece.
Saving Face
by Dmitry Orlov
http://cluborlov.blogspot.ca/2014/07/saving-face.html
C Stegiel 00. 38
I have been thinking along similar lines , All wars are Banker Wars , in the end and the psychopaths through out history have always used the thesis-antithesis – synthesis to get what they want
a world totalitarian government ,
Who owns Russia ? Who owns China ?
Who owns Israel ? Who owns The EU ? Who owns the USA ? Is it really stupid to ask these questions …..as with most matters follow the money
There are interesting dynamics the Hegemon/NATO cannot control.
The first is the reaction of mothers and relatives to conscription. Several areas have forcefully reacted against a draft.
The second, is keeping a lid on the military disaster, loss of life, destruction of whole battalions, loss of unit leaders from death, abandonment, capture and injury.
These two factors are undermining the regime/junta. No amount of dollars or speeches can assuage these issues.
This is where Russia has time on its side. Both get worse for Kiev with time.
Working against that, against Russia staying out of the battleground, is preparing the legal basis that is concise, clear, acceptable to world opinion.
This is part of preparation of the battleground for the entry of Russian military.
The other part is arranging the Ukie forces so they can be swiftly, in hours, struck and defeated. And then the insertion of a holding force while a political change and legal roundup of criminals alters the Ukraine forever.
Russia does not want a guerrilla war, civil unrest, policing work for its troops, and a nightmare of world reaction against what it must sell as a ‘just cause’ of self-defense.
It will go in to rescue all Ukrainians from criminals destroying the assets of the nation and killing thousands of its own boys and men, and thousands of Novorossians.
By immediately returning all prisoners and wounded to their mothers, they will purchase good will. The war is over. Russia is there to bring back the Berkut police, to install law and order and then to leave.
Russia will put billions to work to reconstruct the infrastructure and start the economy going. Russia will delay payment due on gas for the winter.
Russia is the big brother to Ukrainians of good will. This is what I think is planned.
That is what Putin is waiting for. The timing has to be right, the pain has to be worse across the nation of Ukraine to accept the Russians as saviors.
Of course, in the meanwhile, Odessa and Novorossia will join Crimea as Russian. It could be federalized units Russian controls politically with their chosen leadership.
The only fighting will be with nazis.
With a fast peace, China will arrive with big money to invest and loan.
That’s the strategy and it explains what most of us think is delay. Putin is a master at results. None of us whizzes out here on our keyboards knows enough to think we can do better. He has the burden of his nation’s future and 145 million lives.
But I return to my first post on this Glaziev question.
Michael the Archangel wields a sword. The devil has to feel it.
Anti gay comments…
I’m not going to say it is wrong and don’t do it. You are free.
But…
There is nothing wrong with being gay.
If you are freaked out by anal sex, don’t think about it.
If the problem is the bible: Those phrases in the bible were put there because of a pre-existing hatred of gays, the hatred of guys did not originate with those phrases in the bible. So where does this pre-existing hatred come from?
Do you think that gay men don’t contribute to society?
Are you jealous that it is easier to get laid as a gay man?
What is the problem exactly?
Please, have the decency to at least justify your hatred/judgement.
If it is religious I urge you to go and read the rest of the bible and follow all the rules in it.
As a non-Russian I have come to admire Putin for standing up to the US and against the moneyed interest and doing good work for his people. However I will not support a religious crusade – another type of empire building.
So please, tell us, what is the problem?
Saker, I would especially like to hear your opinion on this.
We must keep in mind that the destruction of Russia is a religious duty of the Zionist Cabal. They believe that it was foreseen by the Prophet Ezechiel:
“The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog [Russia], the chief prince of Meshek and Tubal [Former Soviet States]; prophesy against him and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog [Russia’s Leader], chief prince of Meshek and Tubal.” Ezekiel 38:1-3
“I will turn you around [Russia and its alliances], put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords.” Ezekiel 38:4
“Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshek and Tubal. I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the Lord”.
Notice the vengeful filled with hate language of the politicians and talking heads: Russia must be PUNISHED, weakened, made to suffer, bled, nuked. It is the creed of the millions of Dispensationalists and had and does play still a role in the shaping of American foreign policy. So do not expect a rational behaviour. They might go to a “preventive” war with the conviction that they would be “raptured”!
Orlov’s piece is very funny. Excerpt:
[…] President Piglet is still there, but it’s unclear what it is he is doing. In fact, it is becoming unclear whether there even is a Ukrainian government; of late, the officials in Donetsk have been receiving very strange, barely coherent missives from Kiev, obviously written in American English and clumsily translated, then signed and stamped by some Ukrainian monkey to make them look slightly more legit. If the Ukrainian translators run away too, then the American minders will be forced to resort to using Google Translate, making it the world’s first experiment in governance through word salad.[…]
LOL
http://cluborlov.blogspot.ca/2014/07/saving-face.html
Fwd from Canuckistan:
While this may seem somewbat OT, it may actually reinforce the views presented in the video.
There is a trend happening here in the Nation formely known as Canada. While we have always been a subordinate to the “Crown” that has been dragged on ro save rheir collective @sses, the past few decades we have been playing the good cop” role to the “bad cop” of the US/UK In simple terms, they blow it up and reak havoc and we follow up and rebuild and restore order.
Since the neocon cabal has siezed our govt structures, tehy have decided to. Abandon the “good cop” role. Oddly enough, while the Harper Regime ha s been playing and pandeeing to the Jewish and Ukrainian diaspora for potential votes, it has also allowed China a free capitalist pass into our economy and have become dangerously reliant upon China to the point of no return. They simply tell our lacky politicos to shut up and sit down.
While this may seem like no big deal, the fact that China jas successfully infiltrated our entire internet infrastructure, including the most vital of Government portals including telco and the Treasury, is deeply troubling. Just today it was announced that another serious breach has been discovered that will take, according to the Govt officials, at least a year to secure. This in essence opens a nice wormhole into the US networks.
In other words, China has been activly engaging in cyber warfare againt Canada since at least 2011 and our economy is so dependent, we cannot do anything about it. The talking heads are trying to spin it as no big deal but remain steadfast in sanctions vs Russia re: Ukraine, which will only boomerang as the ultra-far right become emboldened.
In summary, China has declared and waged open cyberwar for several years and and have continued unabated with absolutely no sanctions(only more free trade) and has either bought, compromised or infiltrated our entire economy, (btw: the US sounded this alarm because our imfrastructures are interconnected), to no avail. The 5-Eyes have been so busy spying on us, their own citizens, that they forgot about true threats from abroad. At the same time they “sell” the notion that the RF and PRC have zero military capabilities and are backwards and stupid people as well.
All the while the Israeli-Ukie Firsters get a free pass in order to pander their votes in preparation of the 2015 election so that they can loot the rest of our precious resource for war. Seems to us that The RF and PRC have a plan that is hidden in plain sight but the ideologues in power are blind to reality so we might as well expect for things to get much worse, they have surpassed the point of no return. Our so called leaders have sold us all out for pennies on a soon to be worthless petro-dollar… :(
(sorry of this is a bit mixed, using a small screen device so it’s a bit difficult to proof read)
@Saker
Seems like another “shot down missile”. Explains why CNN suddenly decided to mention the ballistic missile launch.
http://putnik1.livejournal.com/3294024.html
“Do you believe that the US/NATO is really crazy enough to actually use military force against Russia and/or Novorussia?”
Let me answer this with another question:
If the US right now *does* use a military force in _Novorussia_, what would Russia be *able* to do in response?
I believe that we both know what the answer is.
Anonymous 23:18
What a lovely specimen of humanity you are. No, scratch that: but you sure do represent Israel perfectly.
A better case could not be made…
IMHO, Glazev is wrong about many things he said, but he’s generally right that NATO is ready to use force Russia and its proxies.
The time has come.
hope?
ANALYSIS: Greek debt, gold, espionage, and US anti-Putin
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/analysis-greek-debt-gold-espionage-and-us-anti-putin-propaganda-may-yet-make-merkel-face-east/
nard
It’s not straightforward to contend to any great extent with the predictive analysis set out by Mr. Glazyev, originally himself Ukrainian, albeit with certain provisos:
(1) There appears to be an element of deliberate alarmism, possibly scripted, colouring Mr. Glazyev’s stated future view, which could be intended to (a) firm-up the Russian audience, as well as international Russian sympathizers, in accepting and adopting an increasingly bellicose mindset, and to (b) somewhat hype-up the justification for Mr. Glazyev’s own career position and “update his brand” – note that if (a) and (b) are actual factors, they do not necessarily discount the validity of Mr. Glazyev’s outline as such
(2) Similarly, it is also possible that Mr. Glazyev deliberately or otherwise overstates the real operational potential and effectiveness of US Foreign Policy – and particularly that of it’s Ukrainian proxies – note that the litany of other ongoing conflicts (see below) in which US Foreign Policy has played overt or covert roles, to varying degrees, could be said to indicate a repeated inability or unwillingness to achieve conclusive results, presenting an approximate equivalence with the atrocious domestic performance of the Ukrainian military since the coup in February:
— ADF insurgency
— “Al-Qaeda” insurgency in Yemen
— Balochistan conflict
— Central African Republic conflict
— Chiapas conflict
— Colombian conflict (1964–present)
— Communist insurgency in the Philippines
— Conflict in the Niger Delta
— Egyptian crisis
— Insurgency in Northeast India
— Insurgency in the Maghreb
— Insurgency in the North Caucasus
— Internal conflict in Burma
— Internal conflict in Mozambique
— Internal conflict in Peru
— Iraqi “insurgency”
— Islamist insurgency in Nigeria
— Israeli–Palestinian conflict
— Kashmir conflict
— Korean conflict
— Kurdish separatism in Iran
— Lord’s Resistance Army insurgency
— Mexican Drug War
— Moro insurgency in the Philippines
— Nagorno-Karabakh conflict
— Naxalite–Maoist insurgency
— Northern Mali conflict
— Papua conflict
— Paraguayan People’s Army insurgency
— Post-civil war violence in Libya
— Shia insurgency in Yemen
— Somali Civil War
— South Sudanese Civil War
— South Thailand insurgency
— South Yemen insurgency
— Sudan–SRF conflict
— Sudanese nomadic conflicts
— Syrian Civil War
— Syrian Civil War crossover into Lebanon
— Turkey-PKK conflict
— War in Afghanistan
— War in Darfur
— War in North-West Pakistan
— Xinjiang conflict
Having put this forward, a counter-argument is that Russia is the highest value piece on the Brzezinski hit-list to-date and, additionally, there are certainly millions of Ukrainians of military age that could now be presented with the choice of conscription, imprisonment or starvation.
Hence it’s difficult to discount Mr. Glazyev’s forward view in the absence of a meaningful armistice in Donbass, which would evidently require the redrawing of national boundaries as a prerequisite, noting that the current regime in Kiev appears to believe that their own survival depends on preventing such an outcome.
Glazev hit a lot of nails on the head in that segment. To your question though:
“Do you believe that the US/NATO is really crazy enough to actually use military force against Russia and/or Novorussia?”
The US has lots of think tanks, and has had them for decades. No doubt there are some crazies in there, but those think tanks are basically funded by the moneyed class to do research so as to keep the moneyed class rich – and that includes: safe. In order to judge whether the US is really crazy enough I suggest look at how and by whom decisions were made in the US before and during the WWII. The highly recommended book Imperial Brain Trust has part of the picture. The part of think tankers discussing the fates of the class of people that matters – the class that feeds them. Of course they disregard the well-being of humans other than those of those moneyed classes, but rational it is nevertheless. And it is not suicidal.
So some questions to ask in order to answer Saker’s question are:
1) Do those in power in the US really believe in the “nuclear primacy” of the US, which has been debunked by Russia’s military, and by the Saker
– I personally doubt that the actual wielders of power believe that they totally neutralize Russia’s nuclear deterrent and can get away with it unscathed, I guess the “nuclear primacy hoax” is meant to bolster confidence in American military power to not get hindered in their actions by frightened people (both in the population and in the so-called intelligentsia)
2) Even if the answer to the previous was: “Yes, they think they are invincible”, what would happen with and to Europe and China in the case of a nuclear first strike on Russia by the US (how else but through nuclear strikes would they reliably take out all Russia’s nuclear capability?)?
– It would be unthinkable NOW that the US could get away with it politically globally. Everyone (minus Zion) would turn against the US, including the European weasel leaders
– Besides Russia, Europe (at a minimum) would be severly impacted by the nuclear fallout, nuclear clouds etc.
3) Does the US think nuclear strikes to totally disarm Russia’s nukes would not create environmental catastrophes on US soil itself?
– Maybe. I’m not sure. <a href=”http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/30/lethality-nuclear-weapons/>Aforelinked article by PCG</a> also talks chiefly about this issue
4) What does the US want in the first place?
– To many, including myself, the big problem facing the US is the world’s turning away from the decade-long reserve currency, removing the privileges that the US had
– Driving a wedge between Russia – the most formidable foe of US dollar hegemony – and Europe seems like a good plan to me
– Destroying Europe or turning it and the whole world against the US would be throwing out the baby with the bath water
So my answer is based on: No. It would indeed be crazy just because of 1). But even assuming 1) isn’t an issue, 2) still is, and the US would have to convince the world Putin is a danger of horrendous proportions to the the world, in order to justify a nuclear attack. I don’t know how they would do it, but this doesn’t happen overnight and not because of a downed airliner.
Honk
N.B. Many of the comments here can unfortunately summarized as “Yes, of course”, in other words, as pure and unsubstantiated opinions.
I guess your question “Do you believe …?” helped everyone and their dog to “chime in”. Nothing against polls, but they waste way less time (of the reader and as importantly, of the comment moderators) can be summarized in 2 figures for “Yes” and “No”.
In Australia the ‘Hate Evil Putin’ campaign is growing truly deranged and hysterical, and, as always, 100% uniformity reigns in the ‘Free Press’. At the same time support for the orgy of mass child murder by Israel in Gaza is near unanimous, and growing more marked as time goes on. And, just in the last few weeks, the ‘Hate China’ campaign has ticked up several further notches. The mad, evil, swine were always going to wage war, if necessary, anything, in order to stop the BRICS and China in particular rising to global economic hegemony. The Judeo-Christian monsters of the Western elites truly believe that they are God’s Chosen People, Divinely Ordained to rule over humanity, forever. WW3 began, in my opinion, with the phony ‘Arab Spring’ a smoke-screen for the destruction of Syria and Libya, and aimed at Russia and China.
The collapse of the “Boeing” and the victory of the “Menatep” in the Hague court – related steps against Russia
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3304-krushenie-boinga-i-pobeda-menatepa-v-gaagskom-sude-svyazannye-shagi-protiv-rossii.html
“…Question: If Putin doesn’t change elite, what that will mean for Russia?
Yury Krupnov: If Putin goes on about Karganovic, Belkovsky and all those whispers that let’s leave it as is, “solem Novorossia”the Maidan will come into place Marsh in autumn this year in Moscow. But it will not slow Marsh December 2011, and full independence with all the extremes of the Russian soul.
The main thing that we must understand that Russia’s problem is not in Washington, not in Brussels and not in Kiev. The problem of Russia – in Moscow, in those elites who still dragging the country into a vile 90-that is, These elites are about Putin. Once again, I note here Surkov, who at the beginning of the zero years was considered the main direction of internal policy of the fight against so-called “Russian fascism”, of course, completely fictional. I remember how I came on Seliger in 2004, and the boys and girls of the movement “Nashi”, when I began to talk about Russia as a world power, all shouted: “No. Better tell about Russian fascism. Vladislav Yurevich believes that the main danger of Russia “Russian fascism”. And this outstanding rusofob delivered today to defend Russia in deadly geopolitical battle?! So our problems here in Moscow, and not in some capitals and sinister plans of Washington, and to save the country it is necessary to personnel changes at the top.”
The people Krupnov is talking about here, who are working to undermine Russia from within, are zionists. This is how Israel works to destroy Russia, while it “officially” displays a smiling face and false attitude of non-involvement, Israeli agents, such as those named by Krupnov carry out the real zionist Jewish agenda of neutralising Russia as an independent rival to their ZPC.
вот так
Anonymous said…30 July, 2014 01:56
Sayan Bevin?
Here is how I see the future of Russia.
1. Completely illegalize/ban any political campaign contributions/donations
2. Ban any form of lobbying
3. All media manipulation and journalistic dishonesty should be punishable just like drunken drivers who endanger other’s people lives. Because dishonest journalism endangers our decision making
4. People with dual citizenship should be only allowed employments as janitors and public toilets cleaners.
5. Banks should not charge any interests.
6. Promote local, independent economies and industries that cannot be manipulated by the outside world.
Just this 5 points can ensure Russian supremacy for the next 1000 years. This is the way to defeat ZioNazies.
People like Putin and Glazev can make it into reality.
Yes….he is logically right.
Really, I think they are capable to do it.
“On a personal level, I have a deep grudge against Putin when he did not do anything to help in the conflict in Libya, he could have vetoed it, instead he abstained…
At the time it was said that Putin wanted to veto the UN resolution, but that Medvedev, who held the office of president, overruled him. Putin seemed to criticize Medvedev over it in a veiled way. If I remember correctly, a Russian diplomat resigned over that vote, calling Medvedev a traitor. Maybe someone here remembers that diplomat’s name?
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Saker,
are they crazy enough?
i suggest you solicit an opinion from William Pfaff.
regards,
Bogdan
..
I know little about Russia or Ukraine (although much more than most Americans), but I know a lot about the US — born and lived here for nearly 7 decades.
Glazev is both right and wrong regarding the US depending about which factions he is looking at. Sadly, the fanatical crazies are mostly in control now, but there is resistance, and who knows who will win out in the chaos we are in now. It’s bad, but a fair number of people are waking up — but few know what to do or have the skills and resources to do it.
The empire is dying, but it can take some time yet, and it’s thrashing about in death throws can take many with it — maybe all of us. This is worse than trying to predict the weather a fortnight out. Anything might happen. Prepare for the worst and hope for best, as the saying goes.
The structures and the systems which once provided some balance, especially the media, are busted, and resistance to lunacy must be ad hoc (cf Chris Hedges, failure of the liberal class — not that the liberals were anything great in recent decades). We have a paradigm shift in progress — but what paradigm? One of chaos, so far, with some of the best and some of the worst — maybe more of the latter right now.
_Blue
I’m afraid the question is not to be asked in the first place because it’s already answered.
The usa already *did* use nukes and they did it without any military necessity.
And the question – seen from usa’s perspective – is not whether to wage war. They are already engaged in war against Russia and Russians, information war, media war, economic war and even military war.
In fact, there are diverse dimensions and facets involved. On the probably lowest level, the usa *must* kill off anyone who dares to challenge their de facto global monetary and currency control. It’s the very core of their parasitic hegemony.
On a somewhat higher level, usa propagates and thrives on a certain ideological system and the many “international” institutions through which that system is implemeted. Some “values” are democracy, liberalism, capitalism.
But there is an even higher level which can also explain Putins military hesitation and his repeated attempts to reestablish the usage of diplomacy, negotiations and international law.
And that’s the spiritual level.
Summarising it somewhat simply and bluntly it is a (possibly the final) battle between good ad evil.
The weztern system is built on lies; so much everybody knows. But it goes deeper and there’s way more to it. To provide a major example: Humans are to a very large degree formed and influenced by their human environment. And that is a major, possibly even the major, reason for liberalism. Liberalism cuts all the roots and social fabric of an between humans. If nothing matters, if there is no “normal”, then humans get lost, they they “float freely” without reference points. Which leads to the next step, the replacement of reference points which is another major tool of the weztern system. Then it’s not anymore your mother or generally your family but the system to tell you what’s right and what’s wrong, what’s important and what’s irrelevant. Consuming, for instance, becomes important, even to the point where the label on your clothes or on your smartphone makes you “someone” or not.
The weztern system, in particular its core, the usa, is evil – and I mean that in the basic sense; it’s (mis)guided by pure satanism. All the elements of satanism are there, you name it. Lies, cruelty, vanity, pure ugliness disguised with nice laquer and cool labels.
Russia, on the hand, bets on the good side (well, as well as they can; we’re all humans …).
(End of part 1)
(part 2)
Finally let me guide your attention to a related and very interesting question: Why does the weztern empire hate Putin so extremely? That is not merely the hate against a political enemy, no, that’s very personal and it’s more than hate; there is blind rage on top of it.
Why?
Is it because Putin stands against them? No, only in (minor) part.
In fact it is because Putin is seen as a traitor by them. In their eyes Putin was a small “nobody” and his rise to power was completely orchestrated from the evil side.
Putin was put into power to obediently serve them. But they had to find out that they, the deceivers, were the deceived ones when Putin went straight, direct, (mostly) without lies, and completely uncontrollable by them.
Even worse, Putin is living proof that the evil side has not won, that the good side, snip, just like that, put a very major and very strong player against them on the board; even worse, they themselves put him there.
Since then things turn against the weztern side. Where they lie, lie, lie, he simply tells his people how things are. Where they suppress and exploit their populace, Putin actually made the lives of Russians very very much better.
And that constitutes an extremely strong power, a power that is the ultimate threat to the wezt. Because the truth *can* be seen and *is desired* by humans.
While the weztern media (read: propaganda outlets) lose large numbers of readers, media like RT are growing very quickly. While 80 – 90% of the readers in weztern countries have very negative comments on the propaganda they’re served, Putin is trusted by many, increasingly even in the weztern system.
Finally, short: How will Russia react to the new sanctions and other evil war actions?
I think, Putin will be perfectly ready for anything, incl. a nuclear war. But he will not attack; even more, he will try any and everything to avoid war or, if unavoidable, to keep it as low level as any possible.
Here is what I expect to come:
– Putin will make new and harsher laws against the 5th colonne. At the same time the Russian authorities will show a considerably higher leniency for self defense and cleaning movements like Fedorovs.
– Putin will find a smart way to deal with the sanctions. Even taking away what the oligarchs have stolen from Russia might be an option. Of course, they will be reimbursed; the value will be what they originally payed (very very little) plus some compensation for increased values in the past years.
Similarly weztern companies will have a lot of small (but debilitating) problems; this will be proportional to the aggressivity of their countries.
– Not only does president Xi get along very well with Putin and is linked through BRICS but, possibly more importantly, Xi knows exactly that China is the next and last on usa’s list. Defending Russia directly translates to defending China. Therefore I’m expecting a concerted and very smart – and extremely hard – strike against the usa dollar and economy.
A war with the usa would cost China at least a trillion $ – plus millions and millions of lives. And even then there is no guarantee to win that war; actually there were a very high risk to lose against the usa if Russia was somehow crippled.
At the same time the 2 to 3 trillion usa debths held by China are quite worthless anyway.
It seems just reasonable therefor to assume that dumping a crippling amount of usa debth in the range of up to 1,5 or even 2 trillion us$ simply is the cheapest way for China to settle the matter once and for all.
The us/nato/zionist system will be broken and destroyed and it will happen rather soon. In fact, what we see now from the weztern system may look like an attack (and in some way is) but in fact it’s just the last attempt of the big daemon to survive. He won’t.
Here you have it: Chinese Investors Propose Underwater Tunnel to Crimea.
“”[Chinese investors] proposed building an underwater tunnel instead of a bridge, what’s more, one that does not disturb the bottom [of the strait],” Bavykina said last week.
The tunnel would enclose two railroads and a six-lane highway, she said. The proposal comes from a Chinese state construction company that has built a comparable three-kilometer tunnel in Macau, on which the four-kilometer tunnel under the Kerch Strait would be modeled.
As for the project’s financing, Bavykina said that the proposal was “significantly cheaper than other designs” and would not require any Russian investment up front.
“The financing would come from the Bank of China, so Russia would not have to invest anything now, the government’s guarantee to return the money according to a certain schedule would be enough,” she said.
The tunnel would take about 2 1/2 years to build, during which time construction would not interfere with ferry traffic on the water’s surface, she said.”
Saker,
Correct me if I am wrong, but, there were characters like Curtis Lemay, who was a general in the Unites States Air Force. He was one of those types who believed attacking the Soviet Union in a nuclear first strike and that the losses from retaliation were acceptable. Hence, he and some other lunatics believed that a nuclear war was winnable. Also, there is that danger of miscalculation such as in world war 1.
Entry Level,
Your list is good. Reagan and his CIA chief Casey ran 57 covert wars during his eight years. Most of them turned out fairly well for the U.S. Not that I applaud them for creating chaos around the world, running many drug operations, heroin, cocaine, meth,etc,
But the role of the CIA is often simply destabilize, create chaos, spread terror, stop strong national leadership in any sector of society. For Nicaragua, it was even ruining banana exports with fungus that ruined the cargo as it reached Europe. Other nice tricks are dengue fever, Swine disease, various forms of crop destruction, all the way to teaching torture and disappearance as a weapon in the tool kit to control people.
When you want Chaos, call Langley.
When you want victory, the U.S. has a much harder time of it. Grenada, even took them days to clear the Cuban airport workers who held off the Seals for days. Gulf War 1 was a joke, and we know how Gulf War 2 is going.
IN the last 68 years, they can’t claim victory over anything larger than Grand Fenwick (Peter Sellers forgives me).
So, if anyone thinks the U.S. can beat Russia, it can’t. It can destroy it though. And probably, would be destroyed along with several thousand other Western targets.
NATO is worse. They loath putting boots on the ground. They have to borrow the equipment and ammunition from the U.S. to wage a mission. Even in Libya, the French were dropping bombs and missiles from U.S. stockpiles.
NATO is where bad generals go to play really bad war games.
Now that Russia is on its feet again and China is waking up, expect NATO to send cannon fodder Poles and other East Europeans with high unemployment rates, but the elite original NATO troops will wait back home or offshore. They are the most powerful chicken shits in military history.
When they win ground, it is with massive bombing.
Russia’s emphasis on radars and anti-air is purposeful. They know what is coming. Air Mail delivery. That’s how the West begins their wars. No armed forces wants to face an enraged Russian artillery and missile counter-attack. Yet, this is what the Hegemon is brewing up for the Ukies. Certain annihilation on the ground.
Angola tore apart the Europeans, South Africans and Unita with General Ochoa’s use of Russian artillery.
General Giap destroyed the French and then defeated the Untied States (560,000 men at any one time) with Soviet artillery. Giap later, in 1979, repulsed a massive attack of 250,000 Chinese in a devastating 2-week war.
It wasn’t applicable in Afghanistan, so it couldn’t be used decisively. Hind Helos were used well until Stingers wiped out their influence and the Soviets had to retreat.
But in the steppes of Ukraine? Don’t expect NATO on the ground. Poland might be stupid enough to send some troops and tanks. Target practice for the Russian forces in Crimea.
And Russian air power will clear the skies of Ukies and any “visitors”. The US would have to use EMP to stifle Russian command of air space.
And then, if Electro Magnetic Pulse were used, it’s a nuclear exchange in kind.
Never underestimate your enemy. Yes, NATO/US will fight Russia (with proxy Ukies and volunteers). Will they actually try to defeat Russia directly? No. Not unless Russia signals a stand down in some moment of weakness.
This isn’t Libya or Syria or Kosovo. It looks like it in intent. But Russia has 7000 nukes. And its armed forces have had 28-29 military exercises this year, massive, every sector, every branch. They are at peak performance, less the battlefield blood.
But they have troops who fight and fly every day in the South Caucasus region. I am certain 20,000 men and gear can go fight in four hours notice.
What will happen when they move is every Ukie commander’s cellphone will ring with a nice offer to surrender or die. They might even be given a three-day vacation trip later to Crimea if they raise the white flag. How many officers are going to stand up and die for the Pig and the maniacs in Maidan?
“Do you believe that the US/NATO is really crazy enough to actually use military force against Russia and/or Novorussia?”
I don’t really know the answer to this. I would like to think there are forces somewhere within the halls of power that would deflect this madness – I saw a post at Firedoglake today that curiously suggested the Democrats may be eager to have Obama impeached, a very curious suggestion that didn’t really get fleshed out.
While Congress is completely subservient to that pseudo state in the Middle East (I am determined not to name it any longer), it may be that some in their hearts have an iota of decency left. I’ve been calling for impeachment since my throat got hoarse in any case.
Suggestions like this could well force Obama to back off as he backed off on Iran; as he backed off on Syria. So, since we seem to only attack those weaker than ourselves, as is the oligarch way, I say the bluff is huge, but hopefully it is indeed just a bluff.
After all, they have to bluff, don’t they? What else is left for them to do? But I sure hope someone is standing by with a straightjacket.
To the saker:
Your question has a number of ambiguities. You assume that the US has not attacked Russia, or you assume that attack means a classical WWII style conflict that will escalate to something nuclear.
The whole issue of the nature of the attack has to do with the nature of what they hope to gain.
In Slavyansk, less than 10 days after Strelkov’s qwithrdrawl, there is a fracking rig guarded by the Ukie army drilling in the sweetest of the potential sweet spots that will hopefully produce amounts of gas that would allow the US/NATO to cut the Russian energy umbilical cord. If gas is found, count on an invasion of Crimea and full on economic sanctions. If no gas is found, count on a slow pull back from hostilities in Ukraine, and a shift to the kind of tactic that is highlighted in the following link: http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.en/www.poznavatelnoe.tv/fedorov_v_pitere_budet_maidan
From that link:(machine translation):
“Evgeny Fedorov: From the point of view of the United States of America began in Russia orange revolution or intervention. And it started about a month ago.”
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So yes, the US will attack and is attacking – but the deeper question is an issue of what kind of attack they will use to produce what kind of gain.
The issue of gain leads us back to the different goals held by the different power factions in the US. Most likely scenario? It could well be that the up and coming military and financial types will sucker Obama into steps that lead to a confrontation in Crimea, just to get him out of office.
Before anything happen, I just have one advice to the retarded monkeys at NATO HQ. Get a OUIJA board & ask the advice of Napoleon & A Hitler, if attacking Russia a good idea?
The only weak point on the US/UE side,is not their military is their financial market also called ‘ponzi scheme’ which is very fragile as the whole world is plunging in deflation.
An essential element of the American “Ponzi scheme” was the fleecing of Russia by the “zioligarchs”. Remember May 2007?: Russia filed a US$22.5 billion lawsuit against the bank for money laundering. The suit was subsequently settled for $14 million. The case referred to the ’90s plundering.
It was the plug on the money hemorrhage that led to the crumbling of the Madoff Ponzi scheme.
About: the plain crach in Ukraine. https://secure.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/sets/72157645790319631/page2/
https://bobik-57.livejournal.com/1335504.html
You have to understand the psychology of the bully: If bully understands that there will be retaliation, he will be reluctant to hit first. Mind you they will do everything else at their disposal to weaken Russia. Impose economic sanctions, demonize Russia in the media, stir ethnic unrests, organize and pay fifth column, and possibly provoke civil war inside Russia. What was done with Yugoslavia and Serbia was test to be applied in Russia. Study and learn. Get rid of the NGO financed from abroad, have just wealth distribution, be nice to ethnic minorities in Russia, but rootless with anybody stirring trouble. Lukashenko has been doing pretty well so far.
The Americans and their NATo allies are full of bluster, however Putin holds the cards. Who, in their right minds in Washington or elsewhere, would dare challenge Russia right on the doorstep of Rostov and Crimea? They can try if they might, but woe betide them if they do.
Putin will intervene in Ukraine at a time of his choosing. Saner heads will once again prevail in Kiev. Meanwhile, the brave forces of the SDF are busy tenderising whatever remains of the Ukrainian army, in both “southern” and now it seems “northern” cauldrons.
John Theodorou
The final German frontier? When the US Justice Dept demands a guilty plea from Deutsche Bank to a criminal indictment and fines it US$10 billion.
I would only add to this that while the US is engaged in orchestrating a world war, they have at the same time opened our southern border and are laying plans to completely terminate US national sovereignty. The broader goal is still world government. As I understand it, Europe and the UK have played an important role in the development of such plans.
It is possible that Europe is ready to discard the plan, but that the US and UK are intent on fulfilling them.
Right now a UN treaty on the rights of disabled persons is close to full passage in the US senate. When a treaty is signed in the US it becomes the law of the land. Under this treaty parents of disabled children in the US will be treated as criminals (i.e., child abusers). The treaty will put an unelected foreign body (from different countries) in control of all decision-making for the upbringing of American disabled kids. This will be the enactment on American soil of a foreign dictatorship.
How can these elements be reconciled? Is America driving all of this or does the US simply play the role of aggressor for the Western elite? How is it American people can be subordinated under a UN-driven tyranny and at the same time carry primary responsibility for Western aggression?
Can anyone clarify this?
I agree with everything said in this video, by the way. I agree the US has occupied Ukraine and is driving Ukraine to war with Russia. This is clear. I guess I am still confused about the role of Europe, the UK, Australia, Canada, etc…in creating this nightmare.
Next Washington will bring into law a UN treaty that will subordinate all US families under foreign control.
It is my understanding that internationals treaties are handled differently in the US than in other countries, which is why passage of these treaties in other countries has occurred without such devastating effect.
Why would a US attack on Russia/Novorossiya be unthinkable? For one thing, what do you mean? What would be new? Would American troops wearing Ukrainian uniforms qualify?
The US is already at war with Russia; that became clear with Syria. The question now is how the war will proceed. Russia is trying diplomatic and economic approaches, whereas the US is going for destabilization and now sanctions.
Besides, the US elite may feel that the elite in Russia care more for their assets in the West than for being an independent player in the world. Thus, the gradual increase in pressure to see what will happen.
Yes, I think Glazev is correct. The US ruling class will do anything to create war with Russia.
But I do not think his underlying assumptions are correct. He apparently believes the US has some kind of sane strategic logic; that the objective is to defeat Russia, for economic reasons.
This is a huge mistake. The Zionist/NWO Elites who rule the USA (via Israel) do NOT have the economic & military interests of the USA in mind. What they want is a global population cull, reducing the world’s population by at least 80%, with an end result in which they are the rulers of a world reduced feudalism, technology only available to the Elites, and complete control of everything – by them. The ideology underlying this is a mix of Jewish racial supremacy (we are God’s chosen people, all others shall be our cattle or dead), distorted Gaia-ism (Earth must be purged of the human plague), Fascism (we deserve to rule, we are the only ones fit to rule, all who resist must die), and outright Satanism. But really it’s just murderous psychotic insanity, dressed up as politics and reinforced by group-think of an inbred bunch of lunatics.
Also, these people understand that unless they achieve the elimination of most common people and the irreversible enslavement of the remainder soon, they themselves are likely to be killed, as present Western economic systems (global fiat banking, unbacked US currency, huge derivatives overhang, etc) blow up and the people awake to what has been done to them. So they are fighting for their own lives, and there is NO limit to what they may attempt.
If you imagine the US leaders are sane, have moral limits, and simply want to achieve US rule of the world, none of their actions at home or abroad make sense. If you comprehend the true situation you will understand that Glazev is right – in so far as he sees it.
I say again that Russia must attack, but not in Ukraine or even in military form. For the survival of the whole world, Russia’s only choice is to decapitate (kill or simply dis-empower) the Elites. Collapsing the US dollar would be one useful step, but something much more basic is required. I have suggested an information dump via the Internet, of all that Russian security services know of the crimes of the global Elites. Names, addresses, recordings, for all their crimes. Strike with Truth, and the evil ones will be destroyed.
What is the possible downside?
The alternatives are:
1. Russia enters Ukraine (and maybe other ex-Soviet states) in force. The US will then commit one or more nuclear false flag attacks on major cities, and publicly blame Russia. WWIII will begin. Elites win.
2. Russia sits still, does nothing. The US will continue to provoke, to advance and nibble at Russia, destroying and murdering as they go. Ultimately Russia must either act of cease to exist. The Elites win.
Only an unconventional strike soon can work, while the world still sees Russia as a hope against the evil resident in Washington and Israel. The Truth can only be used as a weapon while there remain sufficient educated free people who care, who have the ability to use the information, to bring down the evil parasites who call themselves our rulers.
Once a nuclear war begins, or something like the Ebola outbreak spreads worldwide, or the US Elites execute their planned takedown of the US power grid, it will be too late.
Any or all of these could become our fate now at any moment.
TerraHertz
Desperate to find a pretext
MH-17 flight: Another tragic incident to be exploited
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/07/desperate-to-find-pretext.html
I read your site with great interest. Many of the opinions expressed are well thought out and some even quiteinsightful. I have a question, would NATO really go to war? Would DE go to war? FR? IT? Would they? PL probably. LV?, LT?
What would be the consequences for DE, for example? no gas (at a minimum), nuclear strikes? IS UE worth the price? Is there no one asking these questions?
What would be the price for RU if it did close the airspace, for example. Would/Could NATO come in?
Personally, I don’t see NATO as a monolith. It is one thing to send NATO to lands that do not border on the country to be attacked and quite another to attack a country that has the capability to defend itself and send a missile into the center of Warsaw or Berlin or London, or NY.
Gilad Atzmon writes:
Ninety-one percent (91%) of Israeli Jews support Israel’s campaign against the people of Gaza, according to a survey published Monday – and just 4.2% believe the operation is a “mistake.”
Just think about it for a moment; Even with the highest percentage of psychopaths in that pariah state, the remaining population gets infected with the qualities, like; cruelty, lack of conscience and compassion, utter selfishness, deception, indifference to human suffering and all the vices that differentiate average human being from a humanoid creature.
So it’s not a surprise when Pepe Escobar writes on RT; Crime (Israel) and Punishment (Russia)
http://rt.com/op-edge/176548-crime-israel-punishment-russia/
…” Spectacular non-entity Tony Blinken, who doubles as deputy national security adviser to Obama, was keen to stress to Western corporate media that the unruly Eurotrash mob is now “determined to act”. No, not against Israel because of Gaza; against Russia because of Ukraine. Such a lovely Orwellian symmetry; the extended Two Minutes Hate from Israel towards Gazans morphs into the extended Two Minutes Hate from the “West” towards Russia, mirroring the extended Two Minutes Hate from Kiev towards Eastern Ukrainians.”…
The bottom of the abyss must be pretty close; Did they manage to corrupt the majority of nations with such crude lies and deceptions or we’re stuck in some nightmare, that only a powerful shock can wake us up?
A few months ago on some israeli blog was that:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars-secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/
Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine
With all that’s going on – I wouldn’t be surprised if some of that was true. For psychopaths, switching from one mythical reality to another – more convenient – is not a problem, And it would explain a lot of things that look absurd right now, after all, they are not humans, yet. They are just “Body snatchers”.
Unfortunately a big YES… to your question. As crazy as it seems
the Zionists who control the US want war with Russia and they will get it
However they are against superior
technology this time around not some pushover as in the past.
The US / NATO are about to receive the flogging they so richly deserve…. Hallelujah
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/intelligence-insider-on-ukraine-the-other-road-to-world-war-iii_072014
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/are-the-u-s-and-russia-on-the-verge-of-war/
http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Ukraine-false-flag-planned-Is-NATO-preparing-for-a-war-against-Russia.shtml
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/28/373149/insolvent-us-banks-want-wwiii/
Saker,
Glazyev is 100% correct. The New World Order is total control over the whole world and for that they need to subdue/conquer Russia and China. The evil forces behind the NWO is not in Washington nor City of London, but in the Vatican and the Jesuits/Knights of Malta.
Martin Luther 500yrs ago called the Vatican the Seat of Satan and it is so today. The City of London are Vatican puppets, the Rothschilds have the title “Guardians of the Vatican Treasuries” and they own the FED and the Bank of England, the ECB and most Central Banks. The Vatican created Islam, and the Jesuits/Knights of Malta created Nazism, Bolsheviks and Zionism and the Anglo-American-Zionist Empire for the purpose of conflicts and wars by which they gain control.
Read the book “The Vatican Assassins” by Eric Jon Phelps.
USA/NATO/ISRAEL Alliance will make war against Russia not IF, but WHEN – unless Putin surrenders Russia.
I believe the US allready is repeatedly causing accidents, fires, proxi problems in the Rusian Federation.
I hope that Russia will ASAP attack and with everything they can spare hit the Ukraine, specifically KIEV
Hitting KIEV & Ihor Kolomoisky & maybe something bigger to keep Israel distracted would cut of the first serpents head in KIEV
Waiting is futile as the US ELITE will not stop and do absolutely everything to try and get full spectrum subservience.
I expect the first cases of EBOLA in Russia & Europe soon.
Russia should act now and prepare for full spectrum intense warfare from the US.
Using a Nuke as a deterrent might become necessary.
Washington, Tel AVIV & KIEV are absolutely insane & will not listen to reason. They will not stop
In Odessa the Kiev junta’s Nazis organized on Walpurgisnacht April 30th to wipe out the peaceful anti-Kiev occupation protest near the Trade Union center.
On May 1 there were the historical “May Day” celebrations. The next day Nazi thugs with the cooperation of the police destroyed the tents of the protesters & corralled them into the Trade Union building where upon they set it on fire a burned more than 140 people alive.
They even went into the building to finish off any survivors throwing men & women out the out the windows to their deaths.
There are four pagan/satanic mid-season rites in a year: 1)Fall Walpurgisnacht Halloween Oct 31st 2) Winter Walpurgisnacht Jan 31st 3) Spring Walpurgisnacht April 30 & Summer Walpurgisnacht July 31st
I predict that the EU/NATO attack will be in the form of a major civilian “false flag” massacre directed by the US/Kiev junta in Western Ukraine to frame Russia & the separatist militia. Something akin to 911.
This will be done to provoke a NATO R2P (Right to Protect) action outside the auspices of the UN.
Tomorrow is July 31st. This should happen within the week if the Odessa massacre is any indication.
And most likely directed by Nuland & Co out of US Embassy in Kiev.
references: tinyurl.com/mfx9wdf & tinyurl.com/lf2xc7h
JC
I believe that Russia must still go the road of peace. Let OSCE do the inspections near the border. Let the the MH17 investigation take it’s course. Let the Ukraine spend it’s last cent. Let the summer go and the autumn arrive with the first feeling of cold weather demanding on energy. The truth will come out, but there’s always a price to pay. Who is willing to pay the price and get the grand prize. For Russia, there’s no alternative to Eurasia. It’s the future for Russia, Ukraine and certainly Germany. The others will join soon after. As for the US, the fall of the Empire. Novorussia stand up to the nazis, I’m with you.
01:21 2014-07-30
A very nice overview of the MH17 parts, inlcuding pictures and where it was found on the map : http://graphics.wsj.com/mh17-crash-map/
Dutchie
Sergey Glaziev’s analysis is correct. I think that time works for the Ukies. Krajina Serbs were winning the war agains croatian nazis. Then, the US furnished them weapons, technology, intelligence support and Serbs have lost the war. Western tactics and strategy are the same as in Yugoslavia. Two factors show us the future course of Russia in relation to Ukraine : the strategy of Putin to create a gap between Europe and the US has failed. Ukies are making use of more destructive weapons and escalate the conflict. The rising of Sergey Glaziev as the new star of Russian politics is also a clear signal that something will radically change in Russian foreign policy.
The analysis of Sergey Glaziev is correct. There will be a change in the course of Russian foreign policy. No more concessions to Europe.
You liked this quote and it applies here:
“Unity of Command” :).
In the 1st Cold War the US had a strong economy and a strong military.
After the collapse of communism the US banking mafia off-shored the US economy. (That’s ultimately what created the problem with the dollar.) So now the US has a weak economy supporting a strong military.
That’s why Putin is playing for time and fighting an economic war.
The neocons and banking mafia will continue to try and build up for war so Russia should prepare for it but not let themselves get provoked. That’s what the neocons want.
Mumblebrain said and I quote:
The Judeo-Christian monsters of the Western elites truly believe that they are God’s Chosen People, Divinely Ordained to rule over humanity,
That was probably the case up to 20 years ago, now definitely not the case. The Euro-Atlantist elite view of Christianity is that greatly hinders their world viewpoint, hence a factor in the hatred for Russia, because they still dare to base their society on the main religions in Russia.
Zbig Bre. proved that point along with Carl Bildt lately in some of their speeches / twitter messages.
Dear Saker,
Unfortunately I believe that Mr. Glazev is basically right. Actually I believe the danger is even bigger.
I have read some people here positing that the USA cannot default on its debt because it can print money to pay for it’s dollar issued debt indefinetly.
The issue is not however the inability to pay US debt in dollars (by issuing more debt).
The issue is one of dollar acceptancy in the international trade a.k.a. petrodolar system.
When the majority of countries starts demanding to be paid in any other currency (or gold/silver) than the dollar, then its quite literally game over for the Empire.
No longer being universally accepted as means of payment the, currency would loose at least 50% of it’s value.
Inflation in the triple digits would take hold of the already fragile US economy.
Overnight the US would loose 50% at least of its GDP. Probably more.
They would be unable to fund the purchases of goods and services abroad, much less to fund its huge military.
Most importantly of all, the US would cease to be the world’s superpower, in a position to impose it’s will on other countries by bribe or by force.
Israel (or better said the Zionist cabal that controls it) would lose it’s henchman.
By pushing forward the de dolariazation togheter with the BRICS nations, Russia actually holds a Damocles sword over the Empire’s head.
Time is running out and the Washington knows it. Once the groundwork for the creation of a alternative monetary system is established, the cracks in the dollar will become all too aparent.
Defection by some key allies like Saudi Arabia and Japan will bring the edifice down.
The Empire knows it’s either use its military power or loose world dominance for good.
They also know that while Russia staged an incredible come back with Putin’s leadership, it is still no one near as militarily mighty as the USSR even before its collapse.
Despite all work done in the last few years Russia’s military still has many vulnerabilities in a open conflict against the Empire.
I believe however that the greatest danger is not one of a conventional intervention in Ukraine or an atempt to take back the Crimea.
The US is simply not powerful enough to go against Russia in Russia’s backyard without the full suport of all of NATO.
They may convince the Poles and the Baltics to play along, togheter with their British stooges, but the rest of Europe and very likely Turkey would give them the “finger”.
There’s no reason to relax though, because the neo-cons believe they could win a nuclear war with Russia.
By attacking by surprise and with full force they hope to significatively reduce the power of Russian retaliation to “acceptable” levels.
They don’t care about Europe being reducd to ashes and they wouldn’t mind 100 million deaths in America if they got rid of the Russian adversary.
That would be the price to pay for the “New American Milenia”.
I belive president Putin is aware of this. He’s playing for time, for defections to show in the Empire’s ranks in Europe, and for China to make up her mind.
I’m affraid that China however won’t take sides unless she’s forced to. Just like Stalin in 1939 she believes that she can wait for its two main rivals to destroy each other and pick the prize in the end.
We all know now that was Stalin’s biggest mistake. It may well be China’s.
The staging of a new 9/11 in US soil is all that’s needed to trigger the events. A first strike against Russia would have to include China.
Remember. It’s all or nothing. Win all or loose all.
The people in power are the followers of a plan for world domination etched long ago. Probably well before Napoleon.
I sincerely doubt that such sociopaths will be willing to let final victory slip from their fingers after so much work and effort.
Russia be ready.
My prayers and the one’s of the thinkers of the world are with you.
From Portugal
“Crazy enough?“
An interesting question. So, what means crazy?
There is an understanding among several observers that many of our so called leaders seem to be psychopaths. Clinical psychopaths, among other things, are lacking the following: 1.) human compassion, 2.) sense of responsibility, 3.) the ability to foresee the consequences of their actions, 4.) the feeling of fear.
Considering this it seems obvious: the crazies, that‘s the psychopaths. However, it is not possible, that all of the persons in the decision making process are psychopaths – even in a country like the US, which to a high degree rewards psychopathic traits. The Saker often mentioned that there is a number of very capable, reasonable minded officers at medium and high levels of the US military. I trust these are the ones who stop the psychopaths when it really matters. Please recall the following facts:
The US have since WW II raided/plundered/destroyed a number of countries. All of them far smaller/weaker countries (or so they thought). If you look at the history there is absolutely nothing that suggests the US would invade a country that is a serious military opponent.
The US have never, not once, attacked a country that has nuclear weapons. They did‘nt even attack North Corea, which I guess is a shitty little country in their perception. I am sure they would love to have their military bases there – right next to China and the Russian Pacific fleet in Wladiwostok, just think of it! But they never tried. The only possible explanation they didn‘t do it, is the atomic bomb.
But Russia is not only a nuclear power like North Corea, it most definitely is a Super Power. Whoever brought up the phrase about Russia being a “regional power“ – it‘s a fact that Russia is the only country besides the US, which has a “nuclear triad“ at its disposal. Again, I am no military expert, but logical reasoning tells us, that all the talk about “first strike capabilty“ and “winnable nuclear war“ can‘t be anything but delusional, at least when it comes to Russia.
The US have forced Russia into a new arms race, but now it seems the Russians are doing their job better than some expected. While the US are wasting their trillions on the F-35, the Russians are using their billions to steadily improve what they designed in the USSR era. New super maneuverable planes, new silent submarines, ICBM tests, wargames here, tank driver competition there, the list goes on and on.
These are clear warnings directed at the US, which, despite their hubris, can‘t have failed to get the message.
– In my personal opinion a direct military attack is extremely improbable. –
Basically, I agree with the analyses of sharp-witted guys like Glazev or Fedorov. Yes, the US will attack (or rather, are already attacking) Russia because Russia is now forming economic alliances that endanger the very basis of the US empire. The US will stop at nothing and they will use all the dirty tricks and means they can think of. Everything except a direct military intervention.
– ag –
Here is an angle nobody seems to have taken on board. This entire scenario being carried out by the elites is, not will, IS backfiring in their faces and it is obvious. They by their own hand have done this to themselves by their unquenchable, megalomaniacal quest for total control. The constant bs spewing from their puppets mouths has left a lot of egg on many faces. This total debacle is fast becoming the final straw that breaks the back of the politicians and the MSM in one hit! This could quite simply bring the entire control paradigm down.
There have been some amazing posts here today but what I see coming is not a war but a failed false flag to bring the world closer to another world war and I don’t envision the public will be too happy about this, nor the Western cabal controlled military. Many revelations are being made one was Malcome Fraser former Aussie PM stating that the sinking of the USS Liberty was a deliberate act committed by Israel. The US lies are being revealed and the countries that supported those lies are also revealed. The shit is now hitting the fan for the Western war mongers. Realistically, the downing of flight MH17 is rapidly turning out to be a massive elephant in the room for the conspirators. Let’s see how much more they can squirm as the next few days and weeks go by. Israel is also taking a massive hit in light of its continual genocide.
I have a feeling this entire set of events is going to be a game changer for humanity. Obama and Kerry have totally discredited themselves as has that insignificant bumbling fool Abbott and many other cabal controlled governments who have supported this lie. If by some remarkable stroke of events and they happen to turn the game back around which I doubt then will Putin sit quietly back? I think not.
Be careful what you assume about China:
I’ve had >30 years of strong personal relationships with Chinese and I’ve woken up to the fact that their cultural background is very different from ours: they have a feeling of racial superiority (after all they are the oldest surviving civilization on Earth) and they completely refuse the idea of helping others (unless it’s in their own interest). If the US decided on a first strike attack on the RF China would have two options:
– Either immediately go “all in” on the side of the RF because of the assumption that “they would be next” – but I would not bet on that reaction.
– Or see first if the RF is able to defend itself. If so, chances are that they will ally with the RF. But if the RF is quickly overwhelmed they will not invite their own destruction by attacking the US – they will bow their heads before the US and wait for a better opportunity. That’s what they did when they were invaded by the Mongols in 1206: bowed their heads and prepared for another opportunity (it took them ~150 years).
someone working for the secret services told me this 18 years ago, that Russia will be invaded eventually. i didn’t believed him then, but in time i’ve seen that he was right.
The program we are running down is a competition.
Competitions do end with a winner about all the others that have partet in hope to show up there.
Before this instance finally is not generated the competition will go on.
The competition that is running got started with war for profit.
I would have heard if another competition had overtaken.
The theory supports a finale in which those who haven’t yet already got beaten will spend a battle, the then to call last one.
Whether the announced battle which is the subject here is matching yet the forecast of the theory I do not know.
But that such an outcome will hardly be to avoid is written.
The theory’s more popular version goes: Thou who grab the sword for decising will be decided by it.
Just a point about MH017, where it was shot down, and where it was supposed to have been shot down.
Here is a link to a careful analysis of the possible flight path – relationships with Kiev and so on.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/25/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag-attack/
From reading it, it appears that the final moments of MH017, indicate a turn to the left, and a loss of altitude, and that it was followed by a SU-25. (The article assumes that a R-60 missile was fired from the Uke plane) OK, the object being to get the plane to come down in the middle of the Three Uke groups cut off in the south, close to the Russian border.
The last turn of MH017, to the left was the “wrong way” for Kiev. Taking the plane into separatist held areas.
IF it had gone according to plan this would (might?) have enabled Kiev to get it’s troops out. Partial explanation for me. What is also important is the NATO exercise off Crimea, where the “Surcouf” (French electronic spy ship, 50-60 km away – from reports) was part of the group.
What NATO might have been wanting is an excuse to send in troops TO the plane crash site that they had planned. (as armed “observers etc.) to the plane – on UKe held territory, where they would then have been able to alter or “not find” evidence and black boxes, and NATO forces would be installed on the Russian border – between Donetsk-Lugansk and Russia.
So the “advance” by NATO around Russia would continue. Mr. Glazev is correct. Not by a “direct” attack, but as a means of moving forces (possibly for a later pre-emptive attack?)
There is another good, German analysis which shows that the SU-25 attack could have been by 30mm, (anti-tank) shells. Based on photographic evidence where the shells going IN were round and neat – the schrapnel etc. coming OUT, was ragged. Showing that there was an explosion, that then built up pressure and caused the whole plane to burst. This is not necessarily a contradiction of the other report as it could have been a “panic” move to shoot the plane down quickly, before the MH017 could take any other action.
Yes, Glazyev is right. His assessment of the situation is 100% correct. We in the US should have seen the writing on the wall when Obama defended war as a means to peace at his acceptance of the Nobel “Peace Prize.” What Americans should have paid more attention to was his speeches to the Foreign Affairs Councils when he said he would not hesitate to bomb even Pakistan to get the “terrorists.” He has since become the Doctor of Drone Destruction. During his administration every country the US has interfered with is now a basket case. And his backing of Israel’s bombing of Gaza’s hospitals and schools and neighborhoods is downright criminal. We also should have seen the signs when he kept Richard Cheney’s foreign affairs advisor, Victoria Nuland, a notorious neocon, and in fact, put her in charge of the real campaign against Russia itself. This campaign did not start with Obama, but started with Clinton, who started NATO’s march east towards the Russian borders AFTER Russia had already renounced communism. It has always been about the vast treasure trove of resources in Russia. Unless we in the US can impeach this president and bankrupt the British economic system that we are under, the world will lie waste. Congress is about to adjourn for electoral recess, which means there will be none to stop Obama. If the bombs do fall, I hope I am home with my animals to give them a last hug before the end. In the meantime, I will fight to keep the WWIII or IV from happening.
elsi,
Your words rang through loud and clear. Thank you for them. Underneath the labels, I suspect most people want the same things and argue mainly on how best to get, and keep, them.
Anonymous 17:43
Sedation, dulling, is a pretty good way of controlling people and clearly a factor to be reckoned with in terms of any public response to anything. Including any economic decline when those meds are too expensive or otherwise not as widely available. People could even be at physical risk from going off some of them too quickly. Lord, what a mess we are!
Eudoxia Jones,
You’ve made some very good points here indeed. Mr. Nora and I were just discussing how people all over the world do seem to be increasingly aware of just how much egg is on so very many faces. More elsewhere, of course, than here in the US, but even so — how much do any of *us* matter at this point? (And, as expected, here is my usual question: what can we do to make ourselves matter even more?) But right now, the most relevant question still seems to be what it will take for the various national leaders and oligarchs to not just see it, but be willing to do something about it?
@ NotSoFast
You are confusing China with the West. In fact, racial superiority is what defines the West (Anglo Americans and Europeans) as a people.
Ever heard of the White Man’s Burden or Western Civilizing Mission?
Today, this old form of White Western Supremacist ideology comes disguised through propaganda about “promoting Freedom and Democracy.”
This Western propaganda has penetrated the non-Western world including China, where the American Way of Life (consumer culture, Hollywood, McDonald’s) has colonized the hearts and minds of many Chinese people– just like it has done with the Russians and Slavs, who are now painfully discovering that they won’t be allowed to join the White Man’s Club that is “Western Civilization” (i.e. Western Barbarism).
Your comment about how Chinese people are different from “us” (BTW, Who is “us”?) is revealing, however, in that it displays the classic warped Western mentality whereby the West projects is own supremacist ideology onto their “enemies” and “Others.”
And it is an example of what the great Palestinian intellectual Edward Said called ORIENTALISM, the imperial mind of the West that instinctively others the East.
It is rather clear that the hawks in the US Congress want a war on Russia to destroy it as link between China and the EU and control Russian resources. That will then be the beginning of a war on China. For that reason, Japan and South Korea are being armed up with missile defense shields – they are obviously supposed to fight against China – while Israel is fighting a war on Hamas with intent to exterminate Hamas and then move on to take on Hezbollah and Syria. That will leave Iran isolated and unable to act as buffer to protect Russia’s south from infiltration by ISIS type terrorists.
The Doves in Congress don’t want an outright war, but want to weaken Russia with sanctions to destroy its economy and with intention to topple Putin. In 2017 there will be elections. Given Obama’s lack of popularity, these will likely be won by a Republican. The Republicans are already preparing that by impeaching Obama – the same scenario as with Clinton, different cause of suit, to undermine any trust in democrats.
Taken together, the scheme of the Republicans and the Democrats is in essence a rerun of the sanctions against Saddam and the later invasion and destruction of Iraq, which is presently further destroyed by ISIS – i.e. a return to Sunni despotism over a Shiite majority, to separate permanently Iraq from Iran for above reasons.
It is possible that the US intends to balkanize Ukraine – and then strong-arm the pieces separately into NATO. That will make for weak small countries, dependent on US “leadership” – i.e. slave nations of the US who will provide the soldiers to have NATO fight and largely pay for the US’s war. As Glaziev points out, the US wants war in Europe because that is profitable and will force the EU into the US version of the TAP – i.e. turn the EU into a vassal of the US and essentially a proxy army to fight any US desired wars.
Assumng this latter scenario, Donbas will fall to Russia, destroyed, in ruins, with a population reduced to the clothes on their back as their only possession. For Russia to rebuild Donbas would be a large strain on its economy and state funds and will act to weaken Russia economically. Because the Russians in Donbas are not the majority, the US will then instigate the Ukrainians in Donbas who are now Russians, to act against Russia to destabilize Russia from inside, while Kiev may well start a war for Crimea. That will leave Russia with a war in their home turf in addition to their support of Assad in Syria and potentially a need for support of Iran. It will drain Russia’s resources. When it reaches the nadir, the US will find a foul pretext to attack a weakened Russia. Instigation against Putin inside Russia, paid by Soros, who now pays Pussy Riot and Khodorkovsky to stir dissent in Russia, will increase to push the fault for Russia’s difficulties on Putin’s policies. That could lead to dissatisfaction and toppling of Putin. Any lesser leader would not be able to resist the US onslaught and likely prefer to subjugate to the US hegemony. Which is the US’s goal.
The course of action is longterm, meaning the policy will not change until the US reaches its goal of submitting Russia under US dominance. The US goal is world government.
Glazev could turn out to be right. To answer the Saker’s question “Is the US/Nato really crazy enough…” you have to understand what crazy is.
At this moment every policy and legacy of the neo-con foreign policy cabal is threatened with bankruptcy. They brought on war in Iraq when their peers with local languages and local knowledge warned that collapse into inter-religious and inter-ethnic strife would be the long-term result. No-one specifically predicted ISIL and the Caliphate, but those are things that feed on the poisons that real scholars knew would be released by a poorly conceived attempt at “building democracy.”
How could the Americans have chosen worse in the Ukraine that to ally themselves with actual Nazis, people with actual blood ties, as well as ideological ones, to the old generation of Nazis? Who thought the Russians would ignore that? Neo-con game playing, where the end justifies the means, at its best?
The neo-cons favored intervention in Libya, but how has that worked out, as the US has just had to remove its embassy? The neo-cons favor US intervention in Syria, against the Syrian government, where they would have the U.S. fighting alongside the forces of ISIL (Yes, Assad is terrible, but the anarchy of the victory of the non-state actors is not in America’s or Europe’s interest).
In the Ukraine, neo-cons made love to Nazis, giggling over the phone about it, and in Gaza (and apparently, in writing appearing in a Jerusalem newspaper) their brethren imitate the Nazis. Indeed, the secret handshake that has given this movement of pseudo-intellectuals its grip on power in the American foreign policy establishment has been connection to Israel. And now Israel is losing. It has lost moral compass in its war with Hamas in Gaza, and it may well lose in a very much larger way. If in some months, the current president of Iraq is a headless corpse on a Baghdad street, as he seems determined to become, and if Jordan is a wreck and Saudi Arabia is struggling and oil is (let us say) $800 dollars a barrel (the dollar having fallen somewhat), the policy of “cry havoc…” will be all too visibly discredited. That policy is intimately bound to Israel’s influence in America, which has not been good for either party.
At the moment just described, Israel’s present little war in Gaza, and its long refusal to give justice to the Palestinians may look like a frivolous luxury of a decadent past. And America’s arrogance will be decisively broken on its economic prospects.
Neo-cons will never admit their mistakes, but they are smart enough to feel deeply, DEEPLY, threatened. They are the children of twentieth century European disaster, and under threat they go insane. The problem with the American foreign policy establishment is that there is no PARTY of sanity to oppose the neo-cons. There are many sane individuals who oppose the insanity, but they are isolated and lack an esprit de corps that their opponents have. They are unlikely to have the required success at containing true madness.
Yes, they would do it in a blink of an eye. They would do anything in the pursuit of their planned plutocracy.
Yes. The war is near…