The pro-Islamist guest tries to support the terrorist cause. But more “importantly” it shows the extent that the Islamist thinking infests Turkey. And to me shows that trusting and depending on the Turks to “help” is a huge error. It might be possible to minimize the damage they cause. But let no one ,least of all Russians,think that they can work in a positive way with Turkey. That thinking ,if it exists,is a “kiss of death” for the situation in Syria.
One other point I forgot. There are photos out showing the tri-lateral meeting of the FM’s in Moscow. And in one it shows the Iranian security guard for the Iranian FM watching the Turkish security guard who was guarding the Turkish minister. Appearing to watch him to see if he was going to pull out a gun like the policeman in Ankara did.For anyone buying that “ex-policeman” Turkish account. There was unintended “proof”,that no one “in the know” believes that story at all.
“The pro-Islamist guest tries to support the terrorist cause”..
Indeed, even before he started talking I was thinking “what a face of bad person has this guy”, then all got sense, there was no but hatred in that eyes and expression.
On the other hand, I do not agree that the “Islamist thinking infests Turkey” ( well, here I guess you wanted to mean “extremist”, of course, since being Islamist would have nothing wrong in itself, nor it is proof of being an extremist ), but mainly the people belonging to the party precisely, supporting Erdogan. Turkey, at least when I visited it, almost twenty years ago, was a quite secular society, except certain zones/neighborhoods, like Fatih in Istanbul, and I do not think have gone backwards since then.
From what we hear,I think Turkey has changed a lot over those 20 years. Erdogan has gone a long way in pushing Turkey in a much less secular course. But yes, my meaning of Islamist, is the way it is used in today’s World. Not the World of the past. And today the term is used to mean extreme hard-line Islam.
Neither my wife nor I have any political affiliations – Neither of us have ever been a Member of a Political Party…
We may have been at some political meetings but that was only because well
1. I Marched Through London with Over 1 Million People in February 2003 Against any UK involvement in The Invasion of Iraq – my wife stayed at home with the kids.
2. OK We may have actually been at a CND March Over Westminster Bridge – Before Princess Diana got Assassinated – but We did not take part…We were on our way to a Gig – I think it was Oasis – on The Battleship Potemkin or wtf it is called – parked in the River Thames almost opposite where my wife used to work…(well I don’t know – I worked in Fulham at the time – several miles up the River – how tf would I know what she was up to when that party boat went down -Tattershall Castle or one of the others (We Know all this shiit happened in London cos we have lived here since 1982 (though we are both from Lancashire (born in the 1950’s) and Grew up in Lancashire – till we were in our 20’s
34 years ago – We met in 1981
Still together and still In Love
Beat That.
Merry Christmas
Tony & Wife xx
ps Her leg is mending fine. Plaster Cast off now..and its only 5 weeks, She now has this removable plastic boot. She will be dancing again by The Spring, (she got hit by a car on the way to her dance class – she is really nice – you would love her).
After Assassination: Can Turkey, Iran, and Russia Agree on Syria Plan?
On today’s episode of Loud & Clear, Brian Becker is joined by Peter Lavelle, the host of RT’s flagship program CrossTalk, to discuss the aftermath of the assassination of Russia’s ambassador to Turkey.
Turkey, Russia and Iran held talks on the war in Syria in Moscow the day after Andrey Karlov was gunned down in Ankara. Will the dramatic development change the dynamic of the war in Syria and the relations between the three countries?
As the fallout from the Berlin truck ramming that killed 12 people continues, what will the impact be on crucial upcoming elections in Germany and France? Denis Rogatyuk, freelance journalist and activist, joins the show to discuss the rising tide of far-right and anti-immigrant groups in Europe.
Additional criminal charges have been filed in the scandal over lead poisoning in the water supply for residents of Flint, Michigan as the state’s Attorney General indicts two former “emergency managers” – unelected bureaucrats with dictatorial powers. A recent Reuters report reveals that the lead crisis is by no means isolated to Flint. Julie Hurwitz, partner at Goodman & Hurwitz, P.C. and co-counsel in the federal Constitutional challenge to the Michigan Emergency Manager Law, talks about the ongoing scandal.
“…the murder will strengthen Russia’s position in Syria against anti-regime forces. The so-called Turkish-Russian partnership won’t be hurt, but it won’t be much of a partnership either. Turkey has lost what little leverage it had with Russia, and an increasingly isolated Erdoğan will have no choice but to do Putin’s bidding. It gets worse: Turkey is already a highly polarised country, and one strategy Erdoğan has used to secure loyalty to his person has been to fan Islamist sentiment and neo-Ottoman fantasies in the special units of the police force. These sentiments have now cross-fertilised with the particular hatreds of the Syrian Civil War, and Erdoğan seems to be no longer in control of them.”
-Ayşe Zarakol teaches international relations at Cambridge
The pro-Islamist guest tries to support the terrorist cause. But more “importantly” it shows the extent that the Islamist thinking infests Turkey. And to me shows that trusting and depending on the Turks to “help” is a huge error. It might be possible to minimize the damage they cause. But let no one ,least of all Russians,think that they can work in a positive way with Turkey. That thinking ,if it exists,is a “kiss of death” for the situation in Syria.
One other point I forgot. There are photos out showing the tri-lateral meeting of the FM’s in Moscow. And in one it shows the Iranian security guard for the Iranian FM watching the Turkish security guard who was guarding the Turkish minister. Appearing to watch him to see if he was going to pull out a gun like the policeman in Ankara did.For anyone buying that “ex-policeman” Turkish account. There was unintended “proof”,that no one “in the know” believes that story at all.
“The pro-Islamist guest tries to support the terrorist cause”..
Indeed, even before he started talking I was thinking “what a face of bad person has this guy”, then all got sense, there was no but hatred in that eyes and expression.
On the other hand, I do not agree that the “Islamist thinking infests Turkey” ( well, here I guess you wanted to mean “extremist”, of course, since being Islamist would have nothing wrong in itself, nor it is proof of being an extremist ), but mainly the people belonging to the party precisely, supporting Erdogan. Turkey, at least when I visited it, almost twenty years ago, was a quite secular society, except certain zones/neighborhoods, like Fatih in Istanbul, and I do not think have gone backwards since then.
From what we hear,I think Turkey has changed a lot over those 20 years. Erdogan has gone a long way in pushing Turkey in a much less secular course. But yes, my meaning of Islamist, is the way it is used in today’s World. Not the World of the past. And today the term is used to mean extreme hard-line Islam.
No one is Assassinating Hope.
Neither my wife nor I have any political affiliations – Neither of us have ever been a Member of a Political Party…
We may have been at some political meetings but that was only because well
1. I Marched Through London with Over 1 Million People in February 2003 Against any UK involvement in The Invasion of Iraq – my wife stayed at home with the kids.
2. OK We may have actually been at a CND March Over Westminster Bridge – Before Princess Diana got Assassinated – but We did not take part…We were on our way to a Gig – I think it was Oasis – on The Battleship Potemkin or wtf it is called – parked in the River Thames almost opposite where my wife used to work…(well I don’t know – I worked in Fulham at the time – several miles up the River – how tf would I know what she was up to when that party boat went down -Tattershall Castle or one of the others (We Know all this shiit happened in London cos we have lived here since 1982 (though we are both from Lancashire (born in the 1950’s) and Grew up in Lancashire – till we were in our 20’s
34 years ago – We met in 1981
Still together and still In Love
Beat That.
Merry Christmas
Tony & Wife xx
ps Her leg is mending fine. Plaster Cast off now..and its only 5 weeks, She now has this removable plastic boot. She will be dancing again by The Spring, (she got hit by a car on the way to her dance class – she is really nice – you would love her).
The NHS have been Brilliant
Thank You
Good discussion at (Loud and Clear is generally quite good). This is not really a matter of hope, but of work — which continues.
https://sputniknews.com/radio_loud_and_clear/201612211048814438-after-assassination-turkey-iran-russia-syria/
After Assassination: Can Turkey, Iran, and Russia Agree on Syria Plan?
On today’s episode of Loud & Clear, Brian Becker is joined by Peter Lavelle, the host of RT’s flagship program CrossTalk, to discuss the aftermath of the assassination of Russia’s ambassador to Turkey.
Turkey, Russia and Iran held talks on the war in Syria in Moscow the day after Andrey Karlov was gunned down in Ankara. Will the dramatic development change the dynamic of the war in Syria and the relations between the three countries?
As the fallout from the Berlin truck ramming that killed 12 people continues, what will the impact be on crucial upcoming elections in Germany and France? Denis Rogatyuk, freelance journalist and activist, joins the show to discuss the rising tide of far-right and anti-immigrant groups in Europe.
Additional criminal charges have been filed in the scandal over lead poisoning in the water supply for residents of Flint, Michigan as the state’s Attorney General indicts two former “emergency managers” – unelected bureaucrats with dictatorial powers. A recent Reuters report reveals that the lead crisis is by no means isolated to Flint. Julie Hurwitz, partner at Goodman & Hurwitz, P.C. and co-counsel in the federal Constitutional challenge to the Michigan Emergency Manager Law, talks about the ongoing scandal.
Ayşe Zarakol:
“…the murder will strengthen Russia’s position in Syria against anti-regime forces. The so-called Turkish-Russian partnership won’t be hurt, but it won’t be much of a partnership either. Turkey has lost what little leverage it had with Russia, and an increasingly isolated Erdoğan will have no choice but to do Putin’s bidding. It gets worse: Turkey is already a highly polarised country, and one strategy Erdoğan has used to secure loyalty to his person has been to fan Islamist sentiment and neo-Ottoman fantasies in the special units of the police force. These sentiments have now cross-fertilised with the particular hatreds of the Syrian Civil War, and Erdoğan seems to be no longer in control of them.”
-Ayşe Zarakol teaches international relations at Cambridge
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/21/assassination-of-an-ambassador/
One of the PKK leaders, Cemil Bayik talks about Karlov (rip) Turkey and Russia.
Worth a read.
http://anfenglish.com/features/bayik-karlov-s-killer-might-be-from-the-ottoman-hearths