Think about it. “Cross talk rules.” How ironic. Four intelligent men crossing each other out by talking. And yes, sometimes agreeing. Talking doesn’t rule. Power does. This last comment made the most sense even if it crossed out the talking. The problem will be solved or exacerbated by military force. That’s why Russia is getting involved militarily while it continues the talking game. Russia’s own security is at risk with Syria. This world is ruled by power, not talking although propaganda is a powerful forked tongue coercion. But then there is malignant and benign power. Love is the greatest power because it will outlast every other power even if this whole talking-head world goes up in smoke. Ultimately IMHO power is a drop in the ocean of love. Every Father of the church, mosque or synagogue worth his salt has said this. Without the binding force of love our modern anti-love culture is falling apart. Love walks more than it talks. More in this vein of walk the talk at thelovegovernment.com. Cheers. Love is making her move.
Sorry Dennis, can’t go along with idealism about love. We have to provide a place for love to grow. And now the evils rule the hour. What to do ? Keep fighting the good fight unfortunately. If we just start loving, well, goodbye….
re: Crosstalk and the cynic about migration. The way to destroy or weaken a country like Portugal , is to cause 40% or more of its young workers to have to migrate internally within the EU which is what is being done to Greece also. It is cultur-a-cide!
Maybe another Crosstalk just on that needs to be done just to keep the intertwining issues in this emigration-refugee-migration crisis separated.
There’s a new Thierry Meyssan article http://www.voltairenet.org/article188680.html
He got everything right about the Russian involvement except he thought that the previously-ordered Syrian aircraft had been delivered. The new article begins w the next phase of Russian involvement. I’d be interested in hearing what you think of it. (I’ve just started reading it).
Hmpf. Never mind, Teranam. Don’t think he said too much useful this time. Link in one of the footnotes examines the allegations of Russians present in combat , Russian planes, etc.
He thinks the Russians will bomb ISIS, trying hard to do it w UN legality & w/in a coalition. Don’t we all?
I have a one-track mind; can’t see anything but the necessity to close the Turkish border to jihadist supplies, people & stolen oil. Presumably Turkey will resist. How will the Russians see it done from the Syrian side? Syrianperspective talks about Slanfeh as high ground and says it’s being militarized by our side. Is that relevant to closing the border against Turkey’s will, but still w/o an international incident?
Maybe the UN resolution Russians will try to push thru will specifically deal w not supplying arms to ISIS. Nuts– I think there already was a UN prohibition on supplying ISIS.
Hi Ann…thanks for the article…I agree with Saker that the Russians are going to do support type activities since mopping up of Isil will take “boots on the ground” and there are plenty of those with Kurds, Hezbollah, Iranians and Syrian army. My military expert guy does not venture to guess what the Russians are up to but he does say they are taking a “don’t F-ck” with us posture so that if they are messed with they will respond. International law is clear: Syria is being illegally bombed by 5 nations without any of them declaring war and without any of them seeking permission of the standing government of Syria. If S-300 s are used then Syria is within its rights to do so. It would be wise for the hegemon not to try to pull off another M-17 type b.s. incident either.
Teranam, thanks for compliment about article…link…? But I don’t think it was me…maybe Penelope ? I’m not quite so ‘with it’ when it comes to military talk…I’m more philosophical.
Putin refuses to openly use the Russian military to protect ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. Every time a young Russian child is killed in Donbass, Putin babbles about the Minsk agreement and the need to subsidize the economy of his Ukrainian “partners.” Eastern Ukrainian militiamen, Russian volunteers, and “vacationing” Russian soldiers are forced to fight with antiquated equipment, denied air support, and forced to retreat from victory after victory to protect the interests of Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs. Now, he has abandoned Donbass to the fascists.
As the ethnic Russians continue to be driven out of the Caucuses, Tuva, and other non-Slavic areas of Russia, Putin babbles about “multicultural Russia” and the need to prosecute Russian nationalists so as to avoid creating “tension.” The same FSB which publicly supplicates themselves before Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov sees nothing wrong with throwing ethnic Russians in prison camps for years on end. Why? Because Putin, the FSB, and the military lack the stomach stand up to Chechen bandits, let alone pacify the region as Stalin did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lentil_%28Caucasus%29
Now, Putin is deploying a massive combat force to Syria to fight for the Assad regime. Not only is there no popular support for this, he has failed to secure the constitutionally required authorization from the Federation Council. (Under the Russian constitution, he cannot deploy combat troops outside of Russia without the approval of the Federation Council. In 2014, he secured permission to deploy troops to Ukraine and then asked the Council to revoke it so as to appease oligarchs concerned about their assets in the West.) Even Soviet leaders would have gone through the formalities of gaining consent from the Politburo and Central Committee and tried to explain their actions on state media.
How many young Slavs will die so Putin and the Russian elites can fight a meaningless war in the Middle East? If NATO wants to intervene in Syria, let them: as with the Iraq War, the West will become so bogged down they will forget about Russia (and Ukraine) as NATO’s expense and casualties dominate the news. Russia should stay out of Syria and focus on itself and its near abroad.
There is a term that describes anyone who would send troops into Syria while neglecting Donbass : ” враг народа (“vrag naroda”)- — “enemy of the people.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_workers
Is your total misrepresentation of facts on purpose? So many errors I can’t even take the time to answer them. Well– maybe one: Russia doesn’t have troops in Syria.
Some of your other errors come from refusing to see that nations are an immense group of people– not just a few poisonous leaders, not just oligarchs (which all nations have), but also many fine, innocent people. Your desire to reduce them to just one element makes for ease of ranting for you– but is a flight for reality.
It was Putin and his handlers (e.g., Vladislav Surkov) who created the cult of personality which portrays Putin as Russia’s only leader, alternative, and future. If, as another Putinist “political technologist” insists, “there is no Russia without Putin,” then it make little sense to view Russia as a majoritarian democracy.
Putin’s neo-Stalinist cult of personality would be tolerable if he actually ruled like Stalin rather than as a hireling of oligarchs, foreign investors, and cosmopolitans with multiple passports. Under Stalin, Chechnya was pacified, Moscow controlled half of Europe and Asia, the country developed nuclear weapons and advanced missile technology, and Soviet resources were owned by the state rather than foreign oligarchs. What does Russia have now? A “leader” terrified of offending Ramzan Kadyrov or keeping Mikhail Khodorkovsky in prison, offending his “Western partners,” or insisting that state-owned banks and oil companies act in the interest of the state.
Off topic but sees this in http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/coming-soon-russian-su-35s-pakistan-american-f-35s-india-13838 :
The United States could offer India participation on the Lockheed F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Frankly, the United States has the wherewithal to offer India access to much better technology than Russia could ever hope to with the F-35 and follow-on projects. For India, the F-35 would kill two birds with one stone: access to advanced technology, and a trump card over Pakistan and China (in some respects). The only downside is that India would have to abide by U.S. restrictions on the aircraft–which it has traditionally resisted.
Lol, go ahead India, buy yourself the problematic F-35, obviously you have too much money to spend….
Paris guys was the one that made more sense for me. Although I’m not sure is a “majority” there is certainly some “migrant” within the “refugees”.
I think the other 2 guys should have do that concession to realize not everyone could be refugee that non real. The debate about whether Germany want or not those emigrant would have been more interesting. (I believe they do since I don’t believe in kindness of Germany). Illiterate or not doesn’t matter as long you pay taxes…
This would may have connect us of who may be behind that crisis instead that “emotional” talk about “immigrant or refugee” who care. The important part should be who are the keys player in this.
I think I basically agree with this assessment. The Seattle guy made a couple of good points at the beginning but then degenerated into pure emotionalism. The Paris guy was making some points that must be considered if one is to avoid taking at face value all aspects of a media blitz such as the recent Refugee Crisis and accepting without question the narrative that has suddenly sprung into being as a result of the Aylan photo. As I noted earlier in some other thread, it is quite possible that people see an opportunity in the crisis and grab it to, for example, get into Europe without papers and then get resettled there with a whole slew of benefits.
I can’t help noting how sympathetic American reporters etc. are to young men who flee Syria to avoid serving in the Syrian Army. We have demonized Assad to such as extent that we are condoning on an ad hominam basis what used to be called draft dodging here in teh USA, and I think you cojld do time for that. Or at least be forced to do your requisite two years. Double standards rule. And these reporters are blissfully unaware of what they are actually saying: That it is oK to run away from your country because you do not want to serve in its armed forces when the country and the elected government is under attack internally and externally.
You mean from money that they first get for free from the social services industry / government (only to pay back a fraction of that as “taxes”?
Some might call the following video racist.
I call it reality.
Dramatic pictures! Compilation of “refugees” images that you will never see in MSM
The liars-press hides the real brats of the uncontrolled immigration. Europe must wake up. If the borders are not closed immediately, in just a few yeras we won’t have our nations anymore.
Martin, you are a wealth of true info. Thanks guy, I’ve sent it on to friends in Europe…poor friends. These immigrants are all black. From Libya just released by Turkey ?
I cannot get it, I was exactly in this village only 2 months ago.
Back then it was such a romantic nature there. Now it is a hellhole.
I simply cannot believe my own eyes.
Well, i can say one thing for sure: The USA would never do such a thing, wouild never tolerate such masses of people storming the borders. Of course, the USA is protected by two oceans. But just saying . . . Not saying whether that is right or wrong, just saying . . . Double standards. As one of Lavelle’s guests said, Washington just acts detached, unconcerned, the Alfred E. Neumann policy: What, me worry? Meanwhile, bombs away!
As for hunger strikers on teh Hungarian border, it is a sin to throw away food. Especially food that is given. Signs written in English suggest that the target audience is international. Who is organizing this? Hungary absolutely has the right to close its border if it wants. The only thing that makes sense to me is for all European countries affected by this crisis to go on “hunger strike” vis-a-vis the USA and NATO, which has provoked the crises that have unleashed the waves of refugees and migrants. But no one is even talking about that!
The blacks came already in the years before through Italy and Spain, then France. Many appear to originate from sub-saharan Africa. Those scenes in the video are partially from Italy last year and this year (masses of them stranded in northern France and find it difficult to continue their way towards UK).
I also have no idea if they have any idea what they can find in the UK which is not available in France.
It is an (in)humane tragedy of myths, legends and false beliefs.
The promised land they know from their little TV microcosm doesn’t exists!
“ I also have no idea if they have any idea what they can find in the UK which is not available in France.”
From my understanding… there are more generous social benefits to be had in the UK than there are in France, free medical care for one, carry some restrictions in France, while not in the UK. But more importantly (and don’t ask me how they know this) if you’re granted asylum-seeking status in the UK, the state subsidized benefits they’re entitled to are greater than those offered in France.
Thanks for seconding this (This time _I_ didn’t say it, haha!)
Well, and that’s the point!
Here a true story: One of my West-german aunts died totally impoverished.
But before her death there came Ukrainians into her appartment block. At first she helped them and talked to them. They received everything from the German government, free housing, washing machine, monthly money for the children, monthly money because they had no jobe, EVERY SHIT!
And then they told my aunt that they are dissatisfied because they only received 545 EUR per month per person!!!
Now, my aunt has worked all her life in a home for elderly ill people as the one washing hundreds of clothes per day. Very hard work! SHE GETS 430 EUR pension per month, and *none* of the other social bonusses that the foreigners receive!!!!!
p.s. The Ukrainian woman with her sister and childs has now (in 2013) married a jewish US-American and cannot go to the US directly. For some reason it is required that she first lives 3 years in Israhell, before the US let her in (because neither the USA nor Canada nor Australia nor New Sealand have such a no-rules anarchic immigration policy, as the EU!), and the last I heard was that they now live in Israhell.
Imagine this: My aunt paid taxes, social security insurance, health insurance and all that her life long, never complained and could hardly pay the rent for her single room appartment.
The forgeiners come here, never paid in anything, are not qualified enough to find work (there is no work anyway), *take everything* and *complain*.
This is not fair and it is not racist to be against this “policy”.
Because the skin colour is not the problem. Equally as little the religion or clutrual style (as long as they behave like humans).
The problem is the social *injustice*.
Instead of serving their people(s) EU countries’ governments are doing the exact 100% opposite!
Yes, come here you damn West-Ukrops.
Last week I saw one of them with a big quite new black BMW X5 SUV and the Ukrainan coat pf arms all over the back window at a fuel station. I said him he can be proud of supporting murderers! And I asked him why he is here in Berlin if he is sooooo “patriotic” about Kiev-Frankenstein-Absurdistan. He wanted to beat me but I hastily ran and drove away (because one never knows if he has weapons).
And this in my God-damn former home-city Berlin (in which I’m still “living” but which I don’t consider my home city/country anymore)!
Most of those who come here are thankless and not willing to integrate themselves. They come for $$$ial reasons.
But Russia is not the EU: I can only get a Russian Passport after having lived 5 years in Russia or being married to a Russian bride ;-)
For both things I need more than 10 EUR (which is the money I currently have).
However: I already said Good-bye to my West-Ukro girl and all the rest is in preparation.
p.s. I still have my GDR passport from 1989 (unfortunately the GDR was not a CCCP republic, otherwise migration would be much easier).
And: 2 months ago I bought me a Soviet Union passport on eBay, issued in January 1992 in Donetsk (at a time when the CCCP was already murdered by TRAITORS).
In its field “Nationality” it stands still filled out by hand: CCCP / Украи́нская ССР https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic )
But I only bought it for personal pride. Of course it won’t help in the migration process.
The wonderful Russian language is another thing I can never keep learning enough.
yes, Martin !! I don’t want to advise you to do something dangerous, but go to Donbass buddy !!
Then you will automatically become Russian when it all happens….they’re looking for recruits….I would go there myself except for my two dogs…and five horses…but I would seriously go there…and you will become a Russian..I know it Martin.
I think you would be happier, and if you could still come to Saker’s it would be fantastic. And do all your blogging…work in the kitchen….that’s what I would do, as I really don’t think I could shoot a gun.
One thing that is totally devoid from the rhetoric we normally hear from assorted European talking heads, who now seem to be forever shedding crocodile tears for the poor ol’ ‘refugees,’ yet they all seem totally oblivious to their own homeless, their disabled who are systematically losing more and more of their benefits with each passing year, the rampant levels of local unemployed (or under-employed), their struggling pensioners who have to choose between heating their homes in winter or eating, because they certainly can’t afford both, or the total lack of any sort of prosperous future for their young (yet they can’t stop themselves from encouraging locals to keep on breeding even in the face of total hopelessness) all toppled with the fact that affordable housing is fast becoming a thing of the past.
None of that seems to register with them, because now, it’s all about the plight of these ’desperate’ refugees, who according to them; are just looking for a safe place to live where they won’t be “persecuted” nor bombed. If that’s their minimum requirement I say: fine! Let them in, give them nothing, and let them sleep rough and dumpster-dive just like the local homeless are forced to do right now.
Too harsh? Too heartless?
Hardly :/
As I’ve said before, these Eurocrats, are more than happy to let their own destitute compatriots to die on a ditch, while at the same time they’re offering any new-comer all sorts of freebies (while at the same time imposing higher taxes and austerity on their own populations, btw)
My theory as to why they’re doing this is…
The native destitutes are rejects to the system (no use, useless eaters, etc), while the new-comers, not all of them of course, but some of them represent ‘new hope’ [from the perspective of TPTB, that is] and at least some of them (or their descendants) have the potential of becoming their brand-new “model citizens.”
That’s why they’re given a fresh start, a clean slate that’s being viciously denied to their very own home-grown citizens.
And what’s an EU “model citizen” you may ask, well… to tie this up with our good ‘friend’ Catire’s plight: it’s all about access to credit.
Locals are struggling to keep head above water while new-comers are given everything on a gold platter. Difference? New-comers have no credit history (hence; they can’t get loans) Locals, particularly those who are given no helping hand, yet they have some form of steady-job/income, can access credit.
This is credit that is of course not available to those who failed and are completely destitute, hence: the system-rejects I referred to earlier.
In short: Cui Bono?
Why, the banksters of course!
Immigrants represent future debt slaves, credit-worthy locals are current their debt slaves, while native destitutes are of no use to them at all.
Pfff! You shouldn’t have to worry about such things.
I screwed up my last line too, it should have read:
“Immigrants represent future debt slaves, credit-worthy locals are their current debt-slaves, while native destitutes are of no use to them at all.”
(And! I can only hope readers still got the message regardless of my clumsy mistake)
It happens to the best of us :)
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thanks for the pointer. Normally such conferences were taking place some 800 km away in south-western Germany or even Switzerland. Not possible to pay the transportantion. (would be a few hundred EUR’s).
But Berlin: This time I can really attend, excellent.
Will do!
Immigration and refugees: Is any nation required when faced with masses of humanity rushing their borders to:
1. set up camps to physically process them
2. provide housing and employment for them
3. deal with problems of cultural assimilation
4. send back the criminals and mentally ill to the home country ( after all Fidel emptied the jails during the Marienela migration) ?
I can understand why Hungary closed its borders…yes, it is very, very cruel but the mostly young men can always go back to whatever situation they came from and try to make that better. And yes that is very, very cruel too.
Russian lawmaker suggests US may have provoked EU refugee crisis on purpose
Russian Politics & Diplomacy
September 16, 8:48 UTC+3
“Is Europe the final aim of those destabilizing the situation in North Africa and Middle East over the last years with such maniacal persistence?” Sergey Naryshkin asked
Mass protests are continuing in Moldova, one of the poorest countries in Europe. On 6th September, around 100,000 protesters [in a country 0f 3.5 million] took to the streets of the capital Chișinău [a town of less than 700,000 people]. Workers, civil servants, students, and pensioners have been protesting against the hike in prices and tariffs for utilities, and against corruption and poverty. The protesters, engaged in clashes with the police, are attempting to storm administrative buildings and have already set up a tent camp in the centre of the capital.
Dear moderators, as I posted immediately in a follow-up hours ago: PLEASE DELETE THIS.
Those so called “Marxists” are in fact Trotsky-fanboys hating Russia and hating Stalin.
At first I was impressed by their website and by this article. But this site is run from GB and I listened to some of their yt videos.
It was a mistake to share this video. PLEASE DETELE!
Think about it. “Cross talk rules.” How ironic. Four intelligent men crossing each other out by talking. And yes, sometimes agreeing. Talking doesn’t rule. Power does. This last comment made the most sense even if it crossed out the talking. The problem will be solved or exacerbated by military force. That’s why Russia is getting involved militarily while it continues the talking game. Russia’s own security is at risk with Syria. This world is ruled by power, not talking although propaganda is a powerful forked tongue coercion. But then there is malignant and benign power. Love is the greatest power because it will outlast every other power even if this whole talking-head world goes up in smoke. Ultimately IMHO power is a drop in the ocean of love. Every Father of the church, mosque or synagogue worth his salt has said this. Without the binding force of love our modern anti-love culture is falling apart. Love walks more than it talks. More in this vein of walk the talk at thelovegovernment.com. Cheers. Love is making her move.
Sorry Dennis, can’t go along with idealism about love. We have to provide a place for love to grow. And now the evils rule the hour. What to do ? Keep fighting the good fight unfortunately. If we just start loving, well, goodbye….
re: Crosstalk and the cynic about migration. The way to destroy or weaken a country like Portugal , is to cause 40% or more of its young workers to have to migrate internally within the EU which is what is being done to Greece also. It is cultur-a-cide!
Maybe another Crosstalk just on that needs to be done just to keep the intertwining issues in this emigration-refugee-migration crisis separated.
Teranam13,
There’s a new Thierry Meyssan article http://www.voltairenet.org/article188680.html
He got everything right about the Russian involvement except he thought that the previously-ordered Syrian aircraft had been delivered. The new article begins w the next phase of Russian involvement. I’d be interested in hearing what you think of it. (I’ve just started reading it).
You make a point that I never heard of with Culture-cide. It makes sense to me. Same thing happened to the Irish.
Hmpf. Never mind, Teranam. Don’t think he said too much useful this time. Link in one of the footnotes examines the allegations of Russians present in combat , Russian planes, etc.
He thinks the Russians will bomb ISIS, trying hard to do it w UN legality & w/in a coalition. Don’t we all?
I have a one-track mind; can’t see anything but the necessity to close the Turkish border to jihadist supplies, people & stolen oil. Presumably Turkey will resist. How will the Russians see it done from the Syrian side? Syrianperspective talks about Slanfeh as high ground and says it’s being militarized by our side. Is that relevant to closing the border against Turkey’s will, but still w/o an international incident?
Maybe the UN resolution Russians will try to push thru will specifically deal w not supplying arms to ISIS. Nuts– I think there already was a UN prohibition on supplying ISIS.
Hi Ann…thanks for the article…I agree with Saker that the Russians are going to do support type activities since mopping up of Isil will take “boots on the ground” and there are plenty of those with Kurds, Hezbollah, Iranians and Syrian army. My military expert guy does not venture to guess what the Russians are up to but he does say they are taking a “don’t F-ck” with us posture so that if they are messed with they will respond. International law is clear: Syria is being illegally bombed by 5 nations without any of them declaring war and without any of them seeking permission of the standing government of Syria. If S-300 s are used then Syria is within its rights to do so. It would be wise for the hegemon not to try to pull off another M-17 type b.s. incident either.
Teranam, thanks for compliment about article…link…? But I don’t think it was me…maybe Penelope ? I’m not quite so ‘with it’ when it comes to military talk…I’m more philosophical.
Let me understand this.
Putin refuses to openly use the Russian military to protect ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. Every time a young Russian child is killed in Donbass, Putin babbles about the Minsk agreement and the need to subsidize the economy of his Ukrainian “partners.” Eastern Ukrainian militiamen, Russian volunteers, and “vacationing” Russian soldiers are forced to fight with antiquated equipment, denied air support, and forced to retreat from victory after victory to protect the interests of Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs. Now, he has abandoned Donbass to the fascists.
As the ethnic Russians continue to be driven out of the Caucuses, Tuva, and other non-Slavic areas of Russia, Putin babbles about “multicultural Russia” and the need to prosecute Russian nationalists so as to avoid creating “tension.” The same FSB which publicly supplicates themselves before Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov sees nothing wrong with throwing ethnic Russians in prison camps for years on end. Why? Because Putin, the FSB, and the military lack the stomach stand up to Chechen bandits, let alone pacify the region as Stalin did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lentil_%28Caucasus%29
Now, Putin is deploying a massive combat force to Syria to fight for the Assad regime. Not only is there no popular support for this, he has failed to secure the constitutionally required authorization from the Federation Council. (Under the Russian constitution, he cannot deploy combat troops outside of Russia without the approval of the Federation Council. In 2014, he secured permission to deploy troops to Ukraine and then asked the Council to revoke it so as to appease oligarchs concerned about their assets in the West.) Even Soviet leaders would have gone through the formalities of gaining consent from the Politburo and Central Committee and tried to explain their actions on state media.
How many young Slavs will die so Putin and the Russian elites can fight a meaningless war in the Middle East? If NATO wants to intervene in Syria, let them: as with the Iraq War, the West will become so bogged down they will forget about Russia (and Ukraine) as NATO’s expense and casualties dominate the news. Russia should stay out of Syria and focus on itself and its near abroad.
There is a term that describes anyone who would send troops into Syria while neglecting Donbass : ” враг народа (“vrag naroda”)- — “enemy of the people.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_workers
Anonymous,
You have all the answers. The next election is 2018. Run for President of RF and show everyone how really clever you are.
Best of luck in your campaign and career as leader of the Russian people.
Anonymous,
Is your total misrepresentation of facts on purpose? So many errors I can’t even take the time to answer them. Well– maybe one: Russia doesn’t have troops in Syria.
Some of your other errors come from refusing to see that nations are an immense group of people– not just a few poisonous leaders, not just oligarchs (which all nations have), but also many fine, innocent people. Your desire to reduce them to just one element makes for ease of ranting for you– but is a flight for reality.
It was Putin and his handlers (e.g., Vladislav Surkov) who created the cult of personality which portrays Putin as Russia’s only leader, alternative, and future. If, as another Putinist “political technologist” insists, “there is no Russia without Putin,” then it make little sense to view Russia as a majoritarian democracy.
Putin’s neo-Stalinist cult of personality would be tolerable if he actually ruled like Stalin rather than as a hireling of oligarchs, foreign investors, and cosmopolitans with multiple passports. Under Stalin, Chechnya was pacified, Moscow controlled half of Europe and Asia, the country developed nuclear weapons and advanced missile technology, and Soviet resources were owned by the state rather than foreign oligarchs. What does Russia have now? A “leader” terrified of offending Ramzan Kadyrov or keeping Mikhail Khodorkovsky in prison, offending his “Western partners,” or insisting that state-owned banks and oil companies act in the interest of the state.
Off topic but sees this in http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/coming-soon-russian-su-35s-pakistan-american-f-35s-india-13838 :
The United States could offer India participation on the Lockheed F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Frankly, the United States has the wherewithal to offer India access to much better technology than Russia could ever hope to with the F-35 and follow-on projects. For India, the F-35 would kill two birds with one stone: access to advanced technology, and a trump card over Pakistan and China (in some respects). The only downside is that India would have to abide by U.S. restrictions on the aircraft–which it has traditionally resisted.
Lol, go ahead India, buy yourself the problematic F-35, obviously you have too much money to spend….
Paris guys was the one that made more sense for me. Although I’m not sure is a “majority” there is certainly some “migrant” within the “refugees”.
I think the other 2 guys should have do that concession to realize not everyone could be refugee that non real. The debate about whether Germany want or not those emigrant would have been more interesting. (I believe they do since I don’t believe in kindness of Germany). Illiterate or not doesn’t matter as long you pay taxes…
This would may have connect us of who may be behind that crisis instead that “emotional” talk about “immigrant or refugee” who care. The important part should be who are the keys player in this.
I think I basically agree with this assessment. The Seattle guy made a couple of good points at the beginning but then degenerated into pure emotionalism. The Paris guy was making some points that must be considered if one is to avoid taking at face value all aspects of a media blitz such as the recent Refugee Crisis and accepting without question the narrative that has suddenly sprung into being as a result of the Aylan photo. As I noted earlier in some other thread, it is quite possible that people see an opportunity in the crisis and grab it to, for example, get into Europe without papers and then get resettled there with a whole slew of benefits.
I can’t help noting how sympathetic American reporters etc. are to young men who flee Syria to avoid serving in the Syrian Army. We have demonized Assad to such as extent that we are condoning on an ad hominam basis what used to be called draft dodging here in teh USA, and I think you cojld do time for that. Or at least be forced to do your requisite two years. Double standards rule. And these reporters are blissfully unaware of what they are actually saying: That it is oK to run away from your country because you do not want to serve in its armed forces when the country and the elected government is under attack internally and externally.
> as long as they pay taxes??
You mean from money that they first get for free from the social services industry / government (only to pay back a fraction of that as “taxes”?
Some might call the following video racist.
I call it reality.
Dramatic pictures! Compilation of “refugees” images that you will never see in MSM
The liars-press hides the real brats of the uncontrolled immigration. Europe must wake up. If the borders are not closed immediately, in just a few yeras we won’t have our nations anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_GYlnC5g2M
Martin, you are a wealth of true info. Thanks guy, I’ve sent it on to friends in Europe…poor friends. These immigrants are all black. From Libya just released by Turkey ?
tnx, Ann
BTW, just new on RT:
Refugees start sit-down hunger strike on Hungary-Serbian border – reports
http://www.rt.com/news/315389-hungary-refugees-hunger-strike/
I cannot get it, I was exactly in this village only 2 months ago.
Back then it was such a romantic nature there. Now it is a hellhole.
I simply cannot believe my own eyes.
Well, i can say one thing for sure: The USA would never do such a thing, wouild never tolerate such masses of people storming the borders. Of course, the USA is protected by two oceans. But just saying . . . Not saying whether that is right or wrong, just saying . . . Double standards. As one of Lavelle’s guests said, Washington just acts detached, unconcerned, the Alfred E. Neumann policy: What, me worry? Meanwhile, bombs away!
As for hunger strikers on teh Hungarian border, it is a sin to throw away food. Especially food that is given. Signs written in English suggest that the target audience is international. Who is organizing this? Hungary absolutely has the right to close its border if it wants. The only thing that makes sense to me is for all European countries affected by this crisis to go on “hunger strike” vis-a-vis the USA and NATO, which has provoked the crises that have unleashed the waves of refugees and migrants. But no one is even talking about that!
Katherine
yeah Katherine, good point…Americans angry at poor border control are now more understandable…Texans actually…
@ Ann:
The blacks came already in the years before through Italy and Spain, then France. Many appear to originate from sub-saharan Africa. Those scenes in the video are partially from Italy last year and this year (masses of them stranded in northern France and find it difficult to continue their way towards UK).
I also have no idea if they have any idea what they can find in the UK which is not available in France.
It is an (in)humane tragedy of myths, legends and false beliefs.
The promised land they know from their little TV microcosm doesn’t exists!
“ I also have no idea if they have any idea what they can find in the UK which is not available in France.”
From my understanding… there are more generous social benefits to be had in the UK than there are in France, free medical care for one, carry some restrictions in France, while not in the UK. But more importantly (and don’t ask me how they know this) if you’re granted asylum-seeking status in the UK, the state subsidized benefits they’re entitled to are greater than those offered in France.
Thanks for seconding this (This time _I_ didn’t say it, haha!)
Well, and that’s the point!
Here a true story: One of my West-german aunts died totally impoverished.
But before her death there came Ukrainians into her appartment block. At first she helped them and talked to them. They received everything from the German government, free housing, washing machine, monthly money for the children, monthly money because they had no jobe, EVERY SHIT!
And then they told my aunt that they are dissatisfied because they only received 545 EUR per month per person!!!
Now, my aunt has worked all her life in a home for elderly ill people as the one washing hundreds of clothes per day. Very hard work! SHE GETS 430 EUR pension per month, and *none* of the other social bonusses that the foreigners receive!!!!!
p.s. The Ukrainian woman with her sister and childs has now (in 2013) married a jewish US-American and cannot go to the US directly. For some reason it is required that she first lives 3 years in Israhell, before the US let her in (because neither the USA nor Canada nor Australia nor New Sealand have such a no-rules anarchic immigration policy, as the EU!), and the last I heard was that they now live in Israhell.
Imagine this: My aunt paid taxes, social security insurance, health insurance and all that her life long, never complained and could hardly pay the rent for her single room appartment.
The forgeiners come here, never paid in anything, are not qualified enough to find work (there is no work anyway), *take everything* and *complain*.
This is not fair and it is not racist to be against this “policy”.
Because the skin colour is not the problem. Equally as little the religion or clutrual style (as long as they behave like humans).
The problem is the social *injustice*.
Instead of serving their people(s) EU countries’ governments are doing the exact 100% opposite!
Yes, come here you damn West-Ukrops.
Last week I saw one of them with a big quite new black BMW X5 SUV and the Ukrainan coat pf arms all over the back window at a fuel station. I said him he can be proud of supporting murderers! And I asked him why he is here in Berlin if he is sooooo “patriotic” about Kiev-Frankenstein-Absurdistan. He wanted to beat me but I hastily ran and drove away (because one never knows if he has weapons).
And this in my God-damn former home-city Berlin (in which I’m still “living” but which I don’t consider my home city/country anymore)!
Most of those who come here are thankless and not willing to integrate themselves. They come for $$$ial reasons.
Martin, try to get Russian passport..apply now…there’s no point in waiting..you belong in Russia Martin.
Thanks Ann, yes. I know.
It is my life’s goal.
But Russia is not the EU: I can only get a Russian Passport after having lived 5 years in Russia or being married to a Russian bride ;-)
For both things I need more than 10 EUR (which is the money I currently have).
However: I already said Good-bye to my West-Ukro girl and all the rest is in preparation.
p.s. I still have my GDR passport from 1989 (unfortunately the GDR was not a CCCP republic, otherwise migration would be much easier).
And: 2 months ago I bought me a Soviet Union passport on eBay, issued in January 1992 in Donetsk (at a time when the CCCP was already murdered by TRAITORS).
In its field “Nationality” it stands still filled out by hand: CCCP / Украи́нская ССР https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic )
But I only bought it for personal pride. Of course it won’t help in the migration process.
The wonderful Russian language is another thing I can never keep learning enough.
rgds.
yes, Martin !! I don’t want to advise you to do something dangerous, but go to Donbass buddy !!
Then you will automatically become Russian when it all happens….they’re looking for recruits….I would go there myself except for my two dogs…and five horses…but I would seriously go there…and you will become a Russian..I know it Martin.
I think you would be happier, and if you could still come to Saker’s it would be fantastic. And do all your blogging…work in the kitchen….that’s what I would do, as I really don’t think I could shoot a gun.
Yes, Ann.
There they need help.
Plenty of thanks for your feedback Martin.
One thing that is totally devoid from the rhetoric we normally hear from assorted European talking heads, who now seem to be forever shedding crocodile tears for the poor ol’ ‘refugees,’ yet they all seem totally oblivious to their own homeless, their disabled who are systematically losing more and more of their benefits with each passing year, the rampant levels of local unemployed (or under-employed), their struggling pensioners who have to choose between heating their homes in winter or eating, because they certainly can’t afford both, or the total lack of any sort of prosperous future for their young (yet they can’t stop themselves from encouraging locals to keep on breeding even in the face of total hopelessness) all toppled with the fact that affordable housing is fast becoming a thing of the past.
None of that seems to register with them, because now, it’s all about the plight of these ’desperate’ refugees, who according to them; are just looking for a safe place to live where they won’t be “persecuted” nor bombed. If that’s their minimum requirement I say: fine! Let them in, give them nothing, and let them sleep rough and dumpster-dive just like the local homeless are forced to do right now.
Too harsh? Too heartless?
Hardly :/
As I’ve said before, these Eurocrats, are more than happy to let their own destitute compatriots to die on a ditch, while at the same time they’re offering any new-comer all sorts of freebies (while at the same time imposing higher taxes and austerity on their own populations, btw)
My theory as to why they’re doing this is…
The native destitutes are rejects to the system (no use, useless eaters, etc), while the new-comers, not all of them of course, but some of them represent ‘new hope’ [from the perspective of TPTB, that is] and at least some of them (or their descendants) have the potential of becoming their brand-new “model citizens.”
That’s why they’re given a fresh start, a clean slate that’s being viciously denied to their very own home-grown citizens.
And what’s an EU “model citizen” you may ask, well… to tie this up with our good ‘friend’ Catire’s plight: it’s all about access to credit.
Locals are struggling to keep head above water while new-comers are given everything on a gold platter. Difference? New-comers have no credit history (hence; they can’t get loans) Locals, particularly those who are given no helping hand, yet they have some form of steady-job/income, can access credit.
This is credit that is of course not available to those who failed and are completely destitute, hence: the system-rejects I referred to earlier.
In short: Cui Bono?
Why, the banksters of course!
Immigrants represent future debt slaves, credit-worthy locals are current their debt slaves, while native destitutes are of no use to them at all.
-TL2Q
Oh, hey TL2Q,
sorry for my delayed response.
I’m damn budy and tired.
Here you find the answer: The US wants to destroy and enslave Europe, Merkel is acting as Trojan Horse.
I knew it for years, but never saw it so clearly.
I’m shaking if I think of this Europe’s future..
Please see more on my fb page: https://www.facebook.com/OpenSXCE/posts/760085874097519
So you asked the correct questions, those that we are not supposed to ask.
Very best regards,
%martin
Ouch, Typo correction: damn buSy and tired
(there you see it)
%m
@ Martin:
“Ouch, Typo correction [..]”
Pfff! You shouldn’t have to worry about such things.
I screwed up my last line too, it should have read:
“Immigrants represent future debt slaves, credit-worthy locals are their current debt-slaves, while native destitutes are of no use to them at all.”
(And! I can only hope readers still got the message regardless of my clumsy mistake)
It happens to the best of us :)
–
Here, I found something that might be of your interest:
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If you can attend, you could report back to us and tell us how it went ;-)
-TL2Q
@TL2Q,
thanks for the pointer. Normally such conferences were taking place some 800 km away in south-western Germany or even Switzerland. Not possible to pay the transportantion. (would be a few hundred EUR’s).
But Berlin: This time I can really attend, excellent.
Will do!
%m
Immigration and refugees: Is any nation required when faced with masses of humanity rushing their borders to:
1. set up camps to physically process them
2. provide housing and employment for them
3. deal with problems of cultural assimilation
4. send back the criminals and mentally ill to the home country ( after all Fidel emptied the jails during the Marienela migration) ?
I can understand why Hungary closed its borders…yes, it is very, very cruel but the mostly young men can always go back to whatever situation they came from and try to make that better. And yes that is very, very cruel too.
The Guardian?
The one that went from riches to rags?
My toilet refuses to digest it, but what does that thing now?
Which virtual Marvel Monster ate the ‘k’?!
Russian lawmaker suggests US may have provoked EU refugee crisis on purpose
Russian Politics & Diplomacy
September 16, 8:48 UTC+3
“Is Europe the final aim of those destabilizing the situation in North Africa and Middle East over the last years with such maniacal persistence?” Sergey Naryshkin asked
http://tass.ru/en/politics/821404
Mass protests are continuing in Moldova, one of the poorest countries in Europe. On 6th September, around 100,000 protesters [in a country 0f 3.5 million] took to the streets of the capital Chișinău [a town of less than 700,000 people]. Workers, civil servants, students, and pensioners have been protesting against the hike in prices and tariffs for utilities, and against corruption and poverty. The protesters, engaged in clashes with the police, are attempting to storm administrative buildings and have already set up a tent camp in the centre of the capital.
@ Saker moderation team:
Dear moderators, as I posted immediately in a follow-up hours ago: PLEASE DELETE THIS.
Those so called “Marxists” are in fact Trotsky-fanboys hating Russia and hating Stalin.
At first I was impressed by their website and by this article. But this site is run from GB and I listened to some of their yt videos.
It was a mistake to share this video. PLEASE DETELE!
sorry for the confusion
rgds.
The link has been removed at your request … sorry for the delay but we are short staffed at this time … mod-hs
Apologies. It was my mistake.
Thank you very much.
rgds, %m