Geneva “peace talks”. Another diplomatic coup for Putin/Lavrov. The Wahhabi team…..
Wahhabi’s and their cult offshoots. negotiate with a religion?
The Syrian war is about resources, world power, ect, ect but the clowns holding the guns fighting for the US think they are fighting for their religion.
A pity crosstalk is for TV trying to connect with people whose attention span is limited to soundbites
Pepe Escobar is good to listen to.
The young bearded guest in Tel Aviv has to be the rudest, most hysterical CrossTalk guest of all time. He’s obviously very upset about the stubborn survival of the Syrian state, which clearly has no “End Game” value to him whatsoever.Shameless ignoramus or bald faced liar, despite his many disruptions he actually helps our cause quite a bit, by so contrasting his own insane block-headed ravings with the civility and reason of the other two guests. Doesn’t he realize that? It’s so clear that the proposition that he doesn’t even realize it does not seem very credible. Perhaps he’s a shill.
Phillipe Assholine. I remember him, a twirp. Peter doesn’t get very good guests for representing the other side.
I remember, though, there was this one guy from Beirut that rubbed Peter the wrong way. Peter kept insisting that the US policy of creating failed states in the Middle East was irrational and this guy insisted that US policy was completely rational from the point of view of those that had made the policy. (I figured the guy meant “Machiavellian.”) It seemed Peter is so good hearted that he doesn’t like to think of someone being intentionally evil and just wants to think they are misguided. The guy has never been asked back, which is too bad since he was intelligent.
I remember that.
You are right.
Can’t recall where the cynical fellow who I think was right about chaos and destruction as policy came from. But Peter seemst o have started to take that message on board as he now acknowedges that ongoingconflict means no pipelines at all will be built. but for the losers in Pepe’s big game, that is a spoiler og-in-the-manger=type win for the mid-range game of controlling territory in order to effectuate the long-range game. So, no one controls any territory. That is better than the other fellow winning and controlling some territory.
As for the “end game” fellow, what is the end game of his obsessoin with end game?
I think Pepe and Dan supplied pretty good answers, if by “end game” one means, the overarching and underlying point of the whole series of conflicts.
Katherine
While some commenters here occasionally object to Peter Lavelle’s interrupting some of his guests, in this particular show Lavelle’s performance was stellar: I was simply overjoyed by his merciful shutting up of the incoherent time-wasting guest from that place of ill repute.
(The only question I have is: why on Earth was that Khazar invited to the program at all? The other two guests are of such an uncontested quality that they did not need somebody really dumb to serve as a “contrast” to make them two look smarter, as they both exceptionally out-stand on their own…)
The last time that guest from Tel Aviv was on the show, he certainly fitted your definition. He behaved in an arrogant and rude fashion.
This time, however, I think it was Peter Lavelle that was rude and hysterical. He didn’t give the guest from Tel Aviv the space to lay out his analysis the way the other guests were able to do.
I happen to share Pepe Escobar’s view of the situation in Syria, but I’m very interested in seeing it challenged by the opposite camp, if only to see their hypocrisy exposed. Lavelle’s direction of the show, unfortunately, did nothing to make this happen.
To Esten re:Ruble dollar equivalent song: totally hilarious….and the girls were both saucy and sweet. The gold coin vest was a nice touch and the tongue in cheek about Alaska was just maximally cute!
Fun song and that comment about Alaska was not just tongue in cheek, the reasoning for that was fair enough. Dealing with the slander and assaults against Russia Alaska was a given, they were wanting another piece of land that could be bartered LOL.
Hope more of the youth are of the same mind as this is an important message to give them. National currency is part of being sovereign but the people need to stand by their currency and the currency needs to be there for the people. Not this Private Central Banking BS we have now.
As for the discussion, Peter was very good in his keeping the talking points on topic.
That was a good song. I wonder who sponsored it . Was it a nationalist group? Was it the government itself? Was it the Communist Party opposition? Knowing who sponsored it would tell us a lot.
But going beyond that,there is another more interesting question. Why are foreign currencies allowed to be used in Russia (and many other countries). I can understand the Dollar or Euro as being needed by business to pay for imports (I don’t like it,but understand it). But that isn’t the same as being used internally in a country. Why are citizens allowed to hold those currencies and use them internally in Russia (and other countries). That would seem to me to be a fundamental first step in monetary independence. To get rid of foreign currencies in all internal transactions.
But then sobriety kicks in. Russia stands no chance by herself. What’s needed is a vigilant reinforcement by the Chinese. Otherwise this fairy tale ends poorly.
As an engineer in the defense industry, with a security clearance, I can guarantee Russia can’t survive militarily.. Alone. What’s needed is a decisive counter strike that would require an ultimate response from the western cabal but Ina short time frame. Russia needs to go for regional check mate before the cabal can destabilize Europe and get the warm bodies needed for a real war.
According to Bill Engdahl, the Americans are getting antsy over recent Russian-Chinese joint naval maneuvers, as they represent a broader joint military strategy to challenge the Anglo Americans’ jealously-guarded control of the seas.
Let’s hope the Americans don’t soil their panties too badly over this strategic development. ;-)
“In August 2015, an event occurred whose longer-term strategic significance is beginning to cause consternation in Washington and NATO headquarters. Russia and China, the two great Eurasian nations, engaged in joint naval exercises in the Sea of Japan off coast from Russia’s far-east port city, Vladivostock. Commenting on its significance, Vice Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov, Deputy Commander of the Russian Navy, said at the time that the “scope of the exercise is unprecedented,” with 22 Russian and Chinese combat ships, 20 aircraft, 40 armored vehicles and 500 troops taking part. The exercises simulated anti-aircraft and anti-submarine warfare. It was phase two of joint Sino-Russian naval exercises, Joint Sea 2015, which began in May when 10 Russian and Chinese ships conducted their first combined drills in the Mediterranean Sea.
The strategic significance of joint Russian-Chinese naval exercises in both the Mediterranean and in the waters off China’s and Russia’s far east shores is but the tip of what is clearly a far larger joint military strategy that potentially challenges US control of the seas.”
I also worked as an engineer with a security clearance in the defense industry, and what I saw was exactly what should give mankind great hope: utmost technical incompetence, incredible waste doing the same job over and over as the “team members” perpetually rotate – and shameless bilking the government & taxpayers of untold billions. What was well designed was – only their colorful public web site. No wonder their “F-35”, “Patriot”, etc., don’t work.
In this period of seeming stasis but in which all parties are maneuvering for position, here is a really humorous piece from RI: ( for all of those who need a laugh break)
I believe Peter Lavelle is a decent human who is under great pressure to ignore the Pink Elephant in the room.
It was difficult to listen to this particular episode of Cross Talk. “US-Russia Standoff?”
First: There was one participant in the discussion – from Tel Aviv!!! Warning!!! Red lights!!!
His political statements were pure Zionist-American anti-Syrian Government & insulting and mis representing the Russian effort in Syria. I do not dispute his participation in the discussion/debate, but someone, (Peter Lavelle?), should have identified his zionist imperialist analysis – for what it is.
Hello! Anyone Home?!!!
None of the panel, including the ‘cute and humorous’ ‘Pepe,’ made even a passing reference to the Zionist Land Thieves, who, in coordination with their Puppet Americans, Europeans, Saudis, and Turks, are responsible for the destruction of Syria, and Iraq, (with the concurrent murder of millions of humans), -And They Are- The Zionists and Americans Are= =The Terrorist ISIS/DAESH, and the Terrorist CIA, and the Terrorist MOSSAD. The panel argued, interrupted, all over the place, but the Zionist connection never came out.
Peter Lavelle’s so called ‘Cross Talk’ does more to effectively cover up the truth of the Cause of the destruction of millions of lives and dislocation of millions more humans in the Middle East, than most other media (because he pretends to be – and might even believe that he is- on the side of the victims of world imperialism). The effect (of Lavelle’s obfuscation), is to “blind-side” the supporters of the Russians, Syrians, Hezbollah, and others of the nascent anti-fascist world alliance. Anti Semitism (the distortion of the truth of the origins of the holocaustic crimes against the Semitic Peoples of the Middle East), is not being properly exposed.
The fact that America, no less than France, and the rest of Europe’s nations, are not independent and sovereign Countries is not explained. The New World Order, is a post WW II Zionist World Order with some fissures in it. Lavelle even hinted that America sides with Russia against ISIS. Huh?
The Major Fissure in the Zionist American new World Order:
*The major fissure* is the -partial and ongoing revival of the Russia People. They have begun to hold their positions, from Georgia, to the Ukraine, to Syria, to the entire Fertile Crescent. This standoff includes their support for a culture and religion that is Not Jewish.- [This is not to be construed as an anti-Jewish sentence; the point is that the other Religions have an Equal Right to Exist, along with Judaism.]
As if on cue- from the Zionist owned and operated “New York Times:”
Understand? It is considered by our Masters, that we the Plebes/Rubes, unwashed masses, need a reminder. I’ll summarize the article for those in a hurry. [Poor oppressed Jews, Horrible cowardly bad guy, Eichman, (and anyone else not on board)] Or, from Dieudonné, “They have suffered.”
The Zionist New World order envisions the supremacy of the Jewish Religion,as a cultural foundation of their Uni-Polar (One-World) $Financial Empire. News of ISIS brutalities (including mass-murder and forced conversion/dissolution/dispersal of the millions of Middle East Christians, is blacked out of the Zionist imperialist media. There is a rare mention of the repression of the Arab Christians on mis-direction websites, such as “Prison Planet,” all too rare.
Yes, the Russian leaders might opaque some of their politics, and pretend coziness with the Zionist Entity, and call the Americans, “Our Partners,” but the Russians are physically confronting the New World Zionist Order and their Oligarchs, in Syria. It is incumbent upon ourselves to Confront the enemy as strongly as possible, and we can begin with the clarity and informational accuracy of our advocacy.
One might not search for perfection on “Cross Talk,” just some Resistance.
Even Jeff Rense has caught on & reacted in horror to the blatant clowny buffoonery schtick that RT clearly did a major turn to a few months ago, & his guest last week who has 50 years political activism & writing behind him was agreeing fully & laughing too.
I never did rate it as much good even before then, & triply so now.
That same time ca Nov 1/2015, I noticed & noted here that I saw a very abrupt vivid turn in the outrageous BS tabloid schlock being posted at a few other sites whereas before they at least had a few % good stuff to scan through.
Well, looking at when Putin went in to Syria Sep 30 or so, that may not be a coincidence.
Oil prices have shot higher Thursday after comments from the Energy Minister of Russia, Alexander Novak, that Russia is open to talks next month on coordinating output cuts with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries to support crude prices.
OT a small bit: I remember a few weeks ago reading a story about the 13 year old Russian girl kidnapped and raped in Germany. I remember “some people” questioned whether it actually happened or was propaganda. Well it seems it “did” happen. And now officially Russia and Germany are discussing it:
“The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russia, Sergey Lavrov, commented on the statement of the Foreign Minister of Germany, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, about the investigation into the rape of a 13 year old Russian, Lisa, by migrants in Berlin.
Lavrov stressed that he did not notice that the statement of the German colleague was rigorous.
“I can’t agree that Frank-Walter Steinmeier responded rigorously to my comments”, – quotes RIA Novosti Lavrov.
The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry stressed that Steinmeier just asked us to wait for the investigation results and not to foster a propaganda campaign in the media.
“We were exact about this and have asked for the results of the investigation as soon as possible”, – said Lavrov.
Previously, Steinmeier, at the press conference devoted to the investigation of the case, assured that Germany is making every effort as soon as possible to investigate the incident. He also asked the media not to use the case for political propaganda.
The Russian girl, 13 years old, who lived in Berlin, was kidnapped by three migrants, when she went to school. According to reports in the media, Lisa was raped for several days. The police of Germany suppressed the incident, and when the incident became public knowledge, they did not confirm whether the crime took place.
The case caused a wide public resonance, after which the Prosecutor’s office in Berlin said that the girl allegedly had engaged in sexual contact with the men by mutual consent.
The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, commenting on the incident, demanded a fair investigation on the case and also questioned why information about the incident was being hidden. Lavrov stressed that Lisa is “absolutely did not voluntarily disappear for 30 hours”.
Horrible. Shame on the German authorities for concealing the crime – and then when finally revealed, even trying to justify it.
And: the nationality of the rapists must not be concealed. From where are they? It does not suffice to just say they are “migrants”. Are they Arabs? (By no stretch of imagination could they be Chinese…) Or, are all the world’s hypocrites trying to conceal that too – as being “politically too sensitive”?…
There was no kidnapping, and no rape. There was illegal sex with an underage girl. And there were no three migrants. There was one Turk, and one German of Turkish origin. Let’s stick to the facts.
In the first place: what is/are your source/sources of your claims? You do not provide any links or any other references to support your statements whatsoever. Not even the corrupt “Prosecutor’s office in Berlin”.
As for sheer believability. Taking in account that Lavrov would not arbitrarily have taken such a firm stand, including “Lavrov stressed that Lisa is “absolutely did not voluntarily disappear for 30 hours”.” and other statements he made – you appear to have made up your “facts”.
What kind of legal system do you have there? I know the US’s is horrible. But “even” in the US “2” (even if not 3,or even 1 for that matter) men having sex with a 13 year old school girl,is called “rape”. And if said girl is abducted,or even “enticed” to be taken from her school or home and kept out.That is called “kidnapping” under the law.And since the one is a Turk (if you are correct) what do you call him. He isn’t German,so he would then be a “migrant or immigrant” ,right? As to the other (again if you are correct),him being a German born ethnic Turk.Makes it worse,not better. That feeds into the belief of many that even those born in Europe can’t be trusted.And so,again,feeds the call of some for total removal of immigrants and their descendants.You may have thought your comments would somehow make this situation better for the migrant population. But they only make it worse.
No, let’s not move right along.
Was this transactional sex?
Was the girl pretending to be older than she was?
Or, what were the exact circumstances of this 30-hour disappearance?
It is clear that an undersage girl cannot take responsibiltiy for sexual involvements. That is WHY there is a designation “underage.” This is rape, statutory or “regular.”
Katherine
Frankly the ‘expert’ debate on this Crosstalk is pretty feeble fare. The Vineyard is streets ahead of it!
A lot has to do with the format of the show itself – both Dan and Pepe are good, seasoned observers and well-respected for their investigative talents. But they are forced to over-simplify to fit in with the format. Pepe said as much in saying he would try to distill the complexities of the situation into a few sentences. The show should permit more than that if it wants to get a critical but smart audience.
If not, it is in danger of becoming repetitive and quality guests like Pepe and Dan won’t be back – they are too good at what they do to be content with re-treading old ground.
I have no idea what the third beard was there for. He spent most of his time ‘demanding’ to know what Russia’s ‘end-game’ was. Isn’t the basic function of a guest to offer explanation /informed opinion? Really, the producers could have pulled any random person off the street for all the ‘contribution’ he made.
I get that a certain amount of friction is necessary to generate debate. But why can’t they get a guest who is a least informed on the situation?
Hm, I’m just wondering why Peter doesn’t let the opposition to expose themselves in a full colour .
Is Peter so excited that he can’t listen to the lies??????????
Yes, he is definitely very honest man, but in this case he is making a very big mistake unfortunately.
Great show…Pepe is so above and beyond most other guests..and it shows in this Crosstalk.
The Tel Aviv guy is annoying…but Peter dealt with him perfectly…good for Peter !!
It always amazes me that there are people out there that are so dull and blind and perhaps dishonest that they can attack Russia and Assad for this disgusting war.
Someone asked why Israel was not mentioned. Perhaps RT is vulnerable to having its license revoked by those with a license to kill.
The cacophony of voices at the introduction to Cross Talk shows how to fly under the patrix-matrix radar. There are only three words I can distinguish that jump out at me every time I hear the jangled confusion. “I love you” is crystal clear amidst the jungle of talking tongues. Congratulations to the mole at RT for superb subliminal programming.
I do a similar thing at thelovegovernment.com. Love is the most powerful force of all but it’s been so maligned and realigned to serve evil that although the word is the same the game is entirely different.
The treatment Russia gets by the Empress of the West is mild compared to what true love has received for millenia from haters of truth. Genuine love does straight talk, not cross talk. I use the word Empress advisedly because no man’s mind can match a woman’s for good or ill.
You can twist words as long as you like, but in Germany there are clear definitions for crimes. Kidnapping is against the will of the kidnapped. Eloping is not kidnapping. She has not been “detained”, there is no indication she could not have left and gone home any time. She was not much below the age of consent either.
And yes, it is a crime, and it will be punished. But that’s no reason for the police to claim it was abduction and rape. Causing bodily harm is also a crime, still you would not publicly demand the police label it “attempted manslaughter”, would you? They did not cover it up, the just called it by the proper name.
Having intercourse of any kind or physical contact with a 13 yr old is sick and perverted and should be prosecuted harshly and penalized to the fullest extent of law.
That you would even consider going into technicalities is beyond my comprehension. Such acts, voluntary or consentual should never ever happen in a healthy society let alone be an object of any disscussion trying to whitewash the actvitself.
The girl made the whole story up, she had trouble at school and was afraid to go home. She spent the time with a German friend, no intercourse, no rape, no abduction. As for all those hate-filled comments: you clearly have no idea about 13 year old girls. Just look at statistics to find out what the average age for first sexual contacts is (no, not forced ones). Before you start blaming “liberal society” for it: better re-read “Evgeni Onegin” to find out at which age girls already used to get married in Russia …
You all scream blue murder when the international press/TV stations blame Russia/Putin for Nemzov’s murder/the downing of a plane/etc. etc. before the investigation is complete and all facts are on the table, but you insist the German police should blame “refugees”/”immigrants” before any reliable facts have been established? Sad. Most people in the comments section seem to have no interest in the truth, it’s all about choosing sides.
I am really disappointed seeing well-balanced and thoughtful analyses like the Saker’s elicit streams of comments that recall the atmosphere of the witch trials. We should be able to do better than that.
If the story was made up, end of story. Those are the facts that all have said must be revealed
But,
@”you clearly have no idea about 13 year old girls. Just look at statistics to find out what the average age for first sexual contacts is (no, not forced ones). Before you start blaming “liberal society” for it: better re-read “Evgeni Onegin” to find out at which age girls already used to get married in Russia …”
Ideas of 13-year-old girls have nothing to do with minors and statutory rape. I didn’t say a thing about “liberal society, ” so this is irrelevant spouting. And talking about the age girls used to get married in Russia is also irrelevant spouting. I don’t know about Russia, but I do know why there are laws protecting minors from adults when it comes to sex and also laws against forced marriages of young girls.
THese apologies for adults having sexual relations with minors are . . . odd, to say the least. And especially weird when coming from the mouths of people who I think see themselves as social conservatives protecting “traditional” values (as opposed to the “liberals” they accuse others of being). So do religious conseratives advocate child marriages and transactional sex with 13-year-old girls? Is this one of the “traditional values,” pray tell?
Again, failure of analysis stemming from use of labels.
Katherine
Somebody wrote it was disgusting to imagine a 13 year old girl being touched by someone, but the reality is that a big portion of teenagers are getting their first sexual experience at 14 or before.
Some people wondered “what kind of society” Germany was, and I pointed out early marriage was common in non-liberal societies as well.
As for “apologies for adults having sexual relations with minors”, you made that up. Please don’t. I never wrote anything like that. I never even gave my opinion, I just listed facts.
The situation is drastically different now, after the Harvard Economics Department and George Soros guided the Russian government into a ‘capitalism’ that’s crony-capitalism or “fascism,” from which Harvard University and George Soros extracted billions in give-aways of state property from formerly communist countries that were insider-dealt to not only Russia’s and Ukraine’s (etc.) insiders, but also to America’s, including especially Soros himself (and that link is also here). That link presents the great Janine Wedel reporting that, as a result of one particular insider-rigged auction, “H.M.C. [Harvard Management Company] and Soros became significant shareholders in Novolipetsk, Russia’s second-largest steel mill, and Sidanko Oil, whose reserves exceed those of Mobil.”
Ukraine is one of the countries that was stripped this way, and it more recently was taken over by the United States, with Soros’s help, and stripped even more.
“russian” plutocrats still in power and up to their same tactics.
The Clintons: how Putin grabbed a fifth of all US uranium – Jon Rappoport
hillary-putinTND Guest Contributor: Jon Rappoport
The bare bones of the story: a Canadian company called Uranium One controls a great deal of uranium production in the US. It was sold to Russia (meaning Putin and his minions). So Putin now controls 20% of US uranium production.
From the Times:
“…the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States.”
From the Times:
“The [Pravda] article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company [Uranium One] with uranium-mining stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world’s largest uranium producers and brought Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain. http://thenewsdoctors.com/the-clintons-how-putin-grabbed-a-fifth-of-all-us-uranium-jon-rappoport/
The Saker inspired me to write this….I do apologise for any mistakes…
Clark,
Can you please check this for content, before I publish it. The band tonight were just simply Brilliant..at least one of them comes from Scotland..I could kind of tell from the way he sung and spoke – and also the Scottish Flag on his guitar..
The politicians in control of us English, are not working for us, they are working for the Americans.
Do The American Psychos in Washington have a clue, whilst they think they are constructing Their New Reality?
Apologies for any mistakes in Translation.
Tony (English – UK – London) xx
I cannot OK something where I don’t know what it says. You need to send things in English. I have no time – and this time at night no energy – to go putting them all thru a Google Translator. Sorry. mod. PS
Your first post tried to undermine the seriousness of the (alleged) crime on technicalities.
Your second claims the event so described never actually happened.
The posters disgust with your first claims -that she
‘eloped’ and that she (at thirteen) is ‘not much below the age of consent’ is still relevant. As is the disgust with the German police for applying ‘consent’ to such a scenario – a thirteen year old girl missing for days being sexually used by two or more adult males.
The fact is she eloped indeed, and once there is consent, you cannot speak of “Vergewaltigung” in German, which is the reason why the German police never did. There was never a doubt it was still a crime (if it happened). Please produce evidence for any claims to the contrary. Nobody said it was legal for an adult to sleep with a minor. Besides, I never claimed anything at all, I am just presenting the results of the investigation. Which differ a lot from the inital suspicions. The situation has changed. And now you accuse me of being biased because I share the established facts rather than sticking to the initial hearsay? I fail to understand.
Geneva “peace talks”. Another diplomatic coup for Putin/Lavrov. The Wahhabi team…..
Wahhabi’s and their cult offshoots. negotiate with a religion?
The Syrian war is about resources, world power, ect, ect but the clowns holding the guns fighting for the US think they are fighting for their religion.
A pity crosstalk is for TV trying to connect with people whose attention span is limited to soundbites
Pepe Escobar is good to listen to.
The young bearded guest in Tel Aviv has to be the rudest, most hysterical CrossTalk guest of all time. He’s obviously very upset about the stubborn survival of the Syrian state, which clearly has no “End Game” value to him whatsoever.Shameless ignoramus or bald faced liar, despite his many disruptions he actually helps our cause quite a bit, by so contrasting his own insane block-headed ravings with the civility and reason of the other two guests. Doesn’t he realize that? It’s so clear that the proposition that he doesn’t even realize it does not seem very credible. Perhaps he’s a shill.
I remember last time he was on RT (the young bearded one) he was even more outrageous, just asking for beat down.
Phillipe Assholine. I remember him, a twirp. Peter doesn’t get very good guests for representing the other side.
I remember, though, there was this one guy from Beirut that rubbed Peter the wrong way. Peter kept insisting that the US policy of creating failed states in the Middle East was irrational and this guy insisted that US policy was completely rational from the point of view of those that had made the policy. (I figured the guy meant “Machiavellian.”) It seemed Peter is so good hearted that he doesn’t like to think of someone being intentionally evil and just wants to think they are misguided. The guy has never been asked back, which is too bad since he was intelligent.
They should get James Corbett and Sybel Edmunds against Peter and Mark Sleboda..
My dream CrossTalk
I remember that.
You are right.
Can’t recall where the cynical fellow who I think was right about chaos and destruction as policy came from. But Peter seemst o have started to take that message on board as he now acknowedges that ongoingconflict means no pipelines at all will be built. but for the losers in Pepe’s big game, that is a spoiler og-in-the-manger=type win for the mid-range game of controlling territory in order to effectuate the long-range game. So, no one controls any territory. That is better than the other fellow winning and controlling some territory.
As for the “end game” fellow, what is the end game of his obsessoin with end game?
I think Pepe and Dan supplied pretty good answers, if by “end game” one means, the overarching and underlying point of the whole series of conflicts.
Katherine
While some commenters here occasionally object to Peter Lavelle’s interrupting some of his guests, in this particular show Lavelle’s performance was stellar: I was simply overjoyed by his merciful shutting up of the incoherent time-wasting guest from that place of ill repute.
(The only question I have is: why on Earth was that Khazar invited to the program at all? The other two guests are of such an uncontested quality that they did not need somebody really dumb to serve as a “contrast” to make them two look smarter, as they both exceptionally out-stand on their own…)
Loved it too, very quick thinking: “You are chewing up time on the show with a false premise”
Good going, Peter!!
Katherine
Ted,
The last time that guest from Tel Aviv was on the show, he certainly fitted your definition. He behaved in an arrogant and rude fashion.
This time, however, I think it was Peter Lavelle that was rude and hysterical. He didn’t give the guest from Tel Aviv the space to lay out his analysis the way the other guests were able to do.
I happen to share Pepe Escobar’s view of the situation in Syria, but I’m very interested in seeing it challenged by the opposite camp, if only to see their hypocrisy exposed. Lavelle’s direction of the show, unfortunately, did nothing to make this happen.
Cheers,
Marco
And here is a nice song from Russia, describing the economic hopes of Russian youth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-DxQi1X76c
To Esten re:Ruble dollar equivalent song: totally hilarious….and the girls were both saucy and sweet. The gold coin vest was a nice touch and the tongue in cheek about Alaska was just maximally cute!
Fun song and that comment about Alaska was not just tongue in cheek, the reasoning for that was fair enough. Dealing with the slander and assaults against Russia Alaska was a given, they were wanting another piece of land that could be bartered LOL.
Hope more of the youth are of the same mind as this is an important message to give them. National currency is part of being sovereign but the people need to stand by their currency and the currency needs to be there for the people. Not this Private Central Banking BS we have now.
As for the discussion, Peter was very good in his keeping the talking points on topic.
That was a good song. I wonder who sponsored it . Was it a nationalist group? Was it the government itself? Was it the Communist Party opposition? Knowing who sponsored it would tell us a lot.
But going beyond that,there is another more interesting question. Why are foreign currencies allowed to be used in Russia (and many other countries). I can understand the Dollar or Euro as being needed by business to pay for imports (I don’t like it,but understand it). But that isn’t the same as being used internally in a country. Why are citizens allowed to hold those currencies and use them internally in Russia (and other countries). That would seem to me to be a fundamental first step in monetary independence. To get rid of foreign currencies in all internal transactions.
This show gets my hopes up…
But then sobriety kicks in. Russia stands no chance by herself. What’s needed is a vigilant reinforcement by the Chinese. Otherwise this fairy tale ends poorly.
As an engineer in the defense industry, with a security clearance, I can guarantee Russia can’t survive militarily.. Alone. What’s needed is a decisive counter strike that would require an ultimate response from the western cabal but Ina short time frame. Russia needs to go for regional check mate before the cabal can destabilize Europe and get the warm bodies needed for a real war.
Time will tell.
According to Bill Engdahl, the Americans are getting antsy over recent Russian-Chinese joint naval maneuvers, as they represent a broader joint military strategy to challenge the Anglo Americans’ jealously-guarded control of the seas.
Let’s hope the Americans don’t soil their panties too badly over this strategic development. ;-)
“In August 2015, an event occurred whose longer-term strategic significance is beginning to cause consternation in Washington and NATO headquarters. Russia and China, the two great Eurasian nations, engaged in joint naval exercises in the Sea of Japan off coast from Russia’s far-east port city, Vladivostock. Commenting on its significance, Vice Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov, Deputy Commander of the Russian Navy, said at the time that the “scope of the exercise is unprecedented,” with 22 Russian and Chinese combat ships, 20 aircraft, 40 armored vehicles and 500 troops taking part. The exercises simulated anti-aircraft and anti-submarine warfare. It was phase two of joint Sino-Russian naval exercises, Joint Sea 2015, which began in May when 10 Russian and Chinese ships conducted their first combined drills in the Mediterranean Sea.
The strategic significance of joint Russian-Chinese naval exercises in both the Mediterranean and in the waters off China’s and Russia’s far east shores is but the tip of what is clearly a far larger joint military strategy that potentially challenges US control of the seas.”
http://journal-neo.org/2016/01/21/china-russia-challenge-the-navy-second-to-none/
I also worked as an engineer with a security clearance in the defense industry, and what I saw was exactly what should give mankind great hope: utmost technical incompetence, incredible waste doing the same job over and over as the “team members” perpetually rotate – and shameless bilking the government & taxpayers of untold billions. What was well designed was – only their colorful public web site. No wonder their “F-35”, “Patriot”, etc., don’t work.
American thinker writes:
Russian influence, under President Vladimir Putin, is growing in Latin America and it concerns the United States.
Not only in Latin America but all over the world
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/russian_influence_grows_in_latin_america.html#ixzz3yXIZdKBU
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In this period of seeming stasis but in which all parties are maneuvering for position, here is a really humorous piece from RI: ( for all of those who need a laugh break)
http://russia-insider.com/en/putin-secretly-alien-us-official-reveals/ri12493
That is really funny!
Thank you.
Katherine
I believe Peter Lavelle is a decent human who is under great pressure to ignore the Pink Elephant in the room.
It was difficult to listen to this particular episode of Cross Talk. “US-Russia Standoff?”
First: There was one participant in the discussion – from Tel Aviv!!! Warning!!! Red lights!!!
His political statements were pure Zionist-American anti-Syrian Government & insulting and mis representing the Russian effort in Syria. I do not dispute his participation in the discussion/debate, but someone, (Peter Lavelle?), should have identified his zionist imperialist analysis – for what it is.
Hello! Anyone Home?!!!
None of the panel, including the ‘cute and humorous’ ‘Pepe,’ made even a passing reference to the Zionist Land Thieves, who, in coordination with their Puppet Americans, Europeans, Saudis, and Turks, are responsible for the destruction of Syria, and Iraq, (with the concurrent murder of millions of humans), -And They Are- The Zionists and Americans Are= =The Terrorist ISIS/DAESH, and the Terrorist CIA, and the Terrorist MOSSAD. The panel argued, interrupted, all over the place, but the Zionist connection never came out.
Peter Lavelle’s so called ‘Cross Talk’ does more to effectively cover up the truth of the Cause of the destruction of millions of lives and dislocation of millions more humans in the Middle East, than most other media (because he pretends to be – and might even believe that he is- on the side of the victims of world imperialism). The effect (of Lavelle’s obfuscation), is to “blind-side” the supporters of the Russians, Syrians, Hezbollah, and others of the nascent anti-fascist world alliance. Anti Semitism (the distortion of the truth of the origins of the holocaustic crimes against the Semitic Peoples of the Middle East), is not being properly exposed.
The fact that America, no less than France, and the rest of Europe’s nations, are not independent and sovereign Countries is not explained. The New World Order, is a post WW II Zionist World Order with some fissures in it. Lavelle even hinted that America sides with Russia against ISIS. Huh?
The Major Fissure in the Zionist American new World Order:
*The major fissure* is the -partial and ongoing revival of the Russia People. They have begun to hold their positions, from Georgia, to the Ukraine, to Syria, to the entire Fertile Crescent. This standoff includes their support for a culture and religion that is Not Jewish.- [This is not to be construed as an anti-Jewish sentence; the point is that the other Religions have an Equal Right to Exist, along with Judaism.]
As if on cue- from the Zionist owned and operated “New York Times:”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-adolf-eichmann-holocaust.html?ref=todayspaper
Understand? It is considered by our Masters, that we the Plebes/Rubes, unwashed masses, need a reminder. I’ll summarize the article for those in a hurry. [Poor oppressed Jews, Horrible cowardly bad guy, Eichman, (and anyone else not on board)] Or, from Dieudonné, “They have suffered.”
The Zionist New World order envisions the supremacy of the Jewish Religion,as a cultural foundation of their Uni-Polar (One-World) $Financial Empire. News of ISIS brutalities (including mass-murder and forced conversion/dissolution/dispersal of the millions of Middle East Christians, is blacked out of the Zionist imperialist media. There is a rare mention of the repression of the Arab Christians on mis-direction websites, such as “Prison Planet,” all too rare.
Yes, the Russian leaders might opaque some of their politics, and pretend coziness with the Zionist Entity, and call the Americans, “Our Partners,” but the Russians are physically confronting the New World Zionist Order and their Oligarchs, in Syria. It is incumbent upon ourselves to Confront the enemy as strongly as possible, and we can begin with the clarity and informational accuracy of our advocacy.
One might not search for perfection on “Cross Talk,” just some Resistance.
For the Democratic Republics!
Even Jeff Rense has caught on & reacted in horror to the blatant clowny buffoonery schtick that RT clearly did a major turn to a few months ago, & his guest last week who has 50 years political activism & writing behind him was agreeing fully & laughing too.
I never did rate it as much good even before then, & triply so now.
That same time ca Nov 1/2015, I noticed & noted here that I saw a very abrupt vivid turn in the outrageous BS tabloid schlock being posted at a few other sites whereas before they at least had a few % good stuff to scan through.
Well, looking at when Putin went in to Syria Sep 30 or so, that may not be a coincidence.
In Georgia the people are Georgians.not Russians!
In Ukrain the people are Ukranians,not Russians!
Get your high school diploma.
Rudy
Lotsa talk this going around.
Vote today!
Da or nyet.
Oil prices have shot higher Thursday after comments from the Energy Minister of Russia, Alexander Novak, that Russia is open to talks next month on coordinating output cuts with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries to support crude prices.
http://fortune.com/2016/01/28/will-they-wont-they-opec-denies-russian-talk-of-cutting-oil-output/
OT a small bit: I remember a few weeks ago reading a story about the 13 year old Russian girl kidnapped and raped in Germany. I remember “some people” questioned whether it actually happened or was propaganda. Well it seems it “did” happen. And now officially Russia and Germany are discussing it:
“The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russia, Sergey Lavrov, commented on the statement of the Foreign Minister of Germany, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, about the investigation into the rape of a 13 year old Russian, Lisa, by migrants in Berlin.
Lavrov stressed that he did not notice that the statement of the German colleague was rigorous.
“I can’t agree that Frank-Walter Steinmeier responded rigorously to my comments”, – quotes RIA Novosti Lavrov.
The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry stressed that Steinmeier just asked us to wait for the investigation results and not to foster a propaganda campaign in the media.
“We were exact about this and have asked for the results of the investigation as soon as possible”, – said Lavrov.
Previously, Steinmeier, at the press conference devoted to the investigation of the case, assured that Germany is making every effort as soon as possible to investigate the incident. He also asked the media not to use the case for political propaganda.
The Russian girl, 13 years old, who lived in Berlin, was kidnapped by three migrants, when she went to school. According to reports in the media, Lisa was raped for several days. The police of Germany suppressed the incident, and when the incident became public knowledge, they did not confirm whether the crime took place.
The case caused a wide public resonance, after which the Prosecutor’s office in Berlin said that the girl allegedly had engaged in sexual contact with the men by mutual consent.
The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, commenting on the incident, demanded a fair investigation on the case and also questioned why information about the incident was being hidden. Lavrov stressed that Lisa is “absolutely did not voluntarily disappear for 30 hours”.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2016/01/lavrov-steinmeier-speak-about-13-year.html
(Sidenote: In today’s EU are 13 year old girls considered able to have ” consensual sex” when having sexual relations with a group of adult men?)
Horrible. Shame on the German authorities for concealing the crime – and then when finally revealed, even trying to justify it.
And: the nationality of the rapists must not be concealed. From where are they? It does not suffice to just say they are “migrants”. Are they Arabs? (By no stretch of imagination could they be Chinese…) Or, are all the world’s hypocrites trying to conceal that too – as being “politically too sensitive”?…
There was no kidnapping, and no rape. There was illegal sex with an underage girl. And there were no three migrants. There was one Turk, and one German of Turkish origin. Let’s stick to the facts.
@ “Erast Fandorin”
“Let’s stick to the facts.”
Yes, let us.
In the first place: what is/are your source/sources of your claims? You do not provide any links or any other references to support your statements whatsoever. Not even the corrupt “Prosecutor’s office in Berlin”.
As for sheer believability. Taking in account that Lavrov would not arbitrarily have taken such a firm stand, including “Lavrov stressed that Lisa is “absolutely did not voluntarily disappear for 30 hours”.” and other statements he made – you appear to have made up your “facts”.
What kind of legal system do you have there? I know the US’s is horrible. But “even” in the US “2” (even if not 3,or even 1 for that matter) men having sex with a 13 year old school girl,is called “rape”. And if said girl is abducted,or even “enticed” to be taken from her school or home and kept out.That is called “kidnapping” under the law.And since the one is a Turk (if you are correct) what do you call him. He isn’t German,so he would then be a “migrant or immigrant” ,right? As to the other (again if you are correct),him being a German born ethnic Turk.Makes it worse,not better. That feeds into the belief of many that even those born in Europe can’t be trusted.And so,again,feeds the call of some for total removal of immigrants and their descendants.You may have thought your comments would somehow make this situation better for the migrant population. But they only make it worse.
Re “illicit sex with an underage girl.”
No problem here, move along please . . .
No, let’s not move right along.
Was this transactional sex?
Was the girl pretending to be older than she was?
Or, what were the exact circumstances of this 30-hour disappearance?
It is clear that an undersage girl cannot take responsibiltiy for sexual involvements. That is WHY there is a designation “underage.” This is rape, statutory or “regular.”
Katherine
Well.
Frankly the ‘expert’ debate on this Crosstalk is pretty feeble fare. The Vineyard is streets ahead of it!
A lot has to do with the format of the show itself – both Dan and Pepe are good, seasoned observers and well-respected for their investigative talents. But they are forced to over-simplify to fit in with the format. Pepe said as much in saying he would try to distill the complexities of the situation into a few sentences. The show should permit more than that if it wants to get a critical but smart audience.
If not, it is in danger of becoming repetitive and quality guests like Pepe and Dan won’t be back – they are too good at what they do to be content with re-treading old ground.
I have no idea what the third beard was there for. He spent most of his time ‘demanding’ to know what Russia’s ‘end-game’ was. Isn’t the basic function of a guest to offer explanation /informed opinion? Really, the producers could have pulled any random person off the street for all the ‘contribution’ he made.
I get that a certain amount of friction is necessary to generate debate. But why can’t they get a guest who is a least informed on the situation?
Hm, I’m just wondering why Peter doesn’t let the opposition to expose themselves in a full colour .
Is Peter so excited that he can’t listen to the lies??????????
Yes, he is definitely very honest man, but in this case he is making a very big mistake unfortunately.
Great show…Pepe is so above and beyond most other guests..and it shows in this Crosstalk.
The Tel Aviv guy is annoying…but Peter dealt with him perfectly…good for Peter !!
It always amazes me that there are people out there that are so dull and blind and perhaps dishonest that they can attack Russia and Assad for this disgusting war.
Someone asked why Israel was not mentioned. Perhaps RT is vulnerable to having its license revoked by those with a license to kill.
The cacophony of voices at the introduction to Cross Talk shows how to fly under the patrix-matrix radar. There are only three words I can distinguish that jump out at me every time I hear the jangled confusion. “I love you” is crystal clear amidst the jungle of talking tongues. Congratulations to the mole at RT for superb subliminal programming.
I do a similar thing at thelovegovernment.com. Love is the most powerful force of all but it’s been so maligned and realigned to serve evil that although the word is the same the game is entirely different.
The treatment Russia gets by the Empress of the West is mild compared to what true love has received for millenia from haters of truth. Genuine love does straight talk, not cross talk. I use the word Empress advisedly because no man’s mind can match a woman’s for good or ill.
Erast F
The girl was missing for at least a day and a half.
She was thirteen – a minor.
No adult without criminal intention would detain her
– she did not have her parents permissions. And neither did the men, who were completely unknown to the parents.
Yes, it was a kidnapping.
At thirteen she is well below the age of consent.
Yes it was statutory rape.
If the parents had permitted this, then she would have to go into care, as they are clearly unfit to protect her.
They did not.
It was a crime, period.
You can twist words as long as you like, but in Germany there are clear definitions for crimes. Kidnapping is against the will of the kidnapped. Eloping is not kidnapping. She has not been “detained”, there is no indication she could not have left and gone home any time. She was not much below the age of consent either.
And yes, it is a crime, and it will be punished. But that’s no reason for the police to claim it was abduction and rape. Causing bodily harm is also a crime, still you would not publicly demand the police label it “attempted manslaughter”, would you? They did not cover it up, the just called it by the proper name.
Having intercourse of any kind or physical contact with a 13 yr old is sick and perverted and should be prosecuted harshly and penalized to the fullest extent of law.
That you would even consider going into technicalities is beyond my comprehension. Such acts, voluntary or consentual should never ever happen in a healthy society let alone be an object of any disscussion trying to whitewash the actvitself.
@”She was not much below the age of consent either. ”
Hmm, sounds like being a little bit pregnant.
What craven excuse making.
Katherine
The girl made the whole story up, she had trouble at school and was afraid to go home. She spent the time with a German friend, no intercourse, no rape, no abduction. As for all those hate-filled comments: you clearly have no idea about 13 year old girls. Just look at statistics to find out what the average age for first sexual contacts is (no, not forced ones). Before you start blaming “liberal society” for it: better re-read “Evgeni Onegin” to find out at which age girls already used to get married in Russia …
You all scream blue murder when the international press/TV stations blame Russia/Putin for Nemzov’s murder/the downing of a plane/etc. etc. before the investigation is complete and all facts are on the table, but you insist the German police should blame “refugees”/”immigrants” before any reliable facts have been established? Sad. Most people in the comments section seem to have no interest in the truth, it’s all about choosing sides.
I am really disappointed seeing well-balanced and thoughtful analyses like the Saker’s elicit streams of comments that recall the atmosphere of the witch trials. We should be able to do better than that.
If the story was made up, end of story. Those are the facts that all have said must be revealed
But,
@”you clearly have no idea about 13 year old girls. Just look at statistics to find out what the average age for first sexual contacts is (no, not forced ones). Before you start blaming “liberal society” for it: better re-read “Evgeni Onegin” to find out at which age girls already used to get married in Russia …”
Ideas of 13-year-old girls have nothing to do with minors and statutory rape. I didn’t say a thing about “liberal society, ” so this is irrelevant spouting. And talking about the age girls used to get married in Russia is also irrelevant spouting. I don’t know about Russia, but I do know why there are laws protecting minors from adults when it comes to sex and also laws against forced marriages of young girls.
THese apologies for adults having sexual relations with minors are . . . odd, to say the least. And especially weird when coming from the mouths of people who I think see themselves as social conservatives protecting “traditional” values (as opposed to the “liberals” they accuse others of being). So do religious conseratives advocate child marriages and transactional sex with 13-year-old girls? Is this one of the “traditional values,” pray tell?
Again, failure of analysis stemming from use of labels.
Katherine
Katherine
Katherine, not all I wrote was addressed to you.
Somebody wrote it was disgusting to imagine a 13 year old girl being touched by someone, but the reality is that a big portion of teenagers are getting their first sexual experience at 14 or before.
Some people wondered “what kind of society” Germany was, and I pointed out early marriage was common in non-liberal societies as well.
As for “apologies for adults having sexual relations with minors”, you made that up. Please don’t. I never wrote anything like that. I never even gave my opinion, I just listed facts.
some details on just a few of Soros’s Russia & Ukraine thefts.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/01/george-soros-finally-suspends-lifelong-war-russia.html
The situation is drastically different now, after the Harvard Economics Department and George Soros guided the Russian government into a ‘capitalism’ that’s crony-capitalism or “fascism,” from which Harvard University and George Soros extracted billions in give-aways of state property from formerly communist countries that were insider-dealt to not only Russia’s and Ukraine’s (etc.) insiders, but also to America’s, including especially Soros himself (and that link is also here). That link presents the great Janine Wedel reporting that, as a result of one particular insider-rigged auction, “H.M.C. [Harvard Management Company] and Soros became significant shareholders in Novolipetsk, Russia’s second-largest steel mill, and Sidanko Oil, whose reserves exceed those of Mobil.”
Ukraine is one of the countries that was stripped this way, and it more recently was taken over by the United States, with Soros’s help, and stripped even more.
Well, the original Marshall plan was instrumental in getting control over post-war Germany, so why not try again …
“russian” plutocrats still in power and up to their same tactics.
The Clintons: how Putin grabbed a fifth of all US uranium – Jon Rappoport
hillary-putinTND Guest Contributor: Jon Rappoport
The bare bones of the story: a Canadian company called Uranium One controls a great deal of uranium production in the US. It was sold to Russia (meaning Putin and his minions). So Putin now controls 20% of US uranium production.
From the Times:
“…the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States.”
From the Times:
“The [Pravda] article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company [Uranium One] with uranium-mining stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world’s largest uranium producers and brought Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.
http://thenewsdoctors.com/the-clintons-how-putin-grabbed-a-fifth-of-all-us-uranium-jon-rappoport/
The Saker inspired me to write this….I do apologise for any mistakes…
Clark,
Can you please check this for content, before I publish it. The band tonight were just simply Brilliant..at least one of them comes from Scotland..I could kind of tell from the way he sung and spoke – and also the Scottish Flag on his guitar..
The politicians in control of us English, are not working for us, they are working for the Americans.
Do The American Psychos in Washington have a clue, whilst they think they are constructing Their New Reality?
Apologies for any mistakes in Translation.
Tony (English – UK – London) xx
I cannot OK something where I don’t know what it says. You need to send things in English. I have no time – and this time at night no energy – to go putting them all thru a Google Translator. Sorry. mod. PS
What does this post have to do with anything?
What is it about?
Katherine
@EF
Your first post tried to undermine the seriousness of the (alleged) crime on technicalities.
Your second claims the event so described never actually happened.
The posters disgust with your first claims -that she
‘eloped’ and that she (at thirteen) is ‘not much below the age of consent’ is still relevant. As is the disgust with the German police for applying ‘consent’ to such a scenario – a thirteen year old girl missing for days being sexually used by two or more adult males.
You then admit it was a crime.
Now you claim it didn’t happen at all.
You obviously have a ‘dog in the hunt’.
Care to ‘fess up?
The fact is she eloped indeed, and once there is consent, you cannot speak of “Vergewaltigung” in German, which is the reason why the German police never did. There was never a doubt it was still a crime (if it happened). Please produce evidence for any claims to the contrary. Nobody said it was legal for an adult to sleep with a minor. Besides, I never claimed anything at all, I am just presenting the results of the investigation. Which differ a lot from the inital suspicions. The situation has changed. And now you accuse me of being biased because I share the established facts rather than sticking to the initial hearsay? I fail to understand.