Joe Rogan has interviewed Michael Osterholm. This is the Wikipedia entry under his name, and this is how Rogan introduced him on YouTube: “Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota. Look for his book “Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Deadly Germs” for more info: https://amzn.to/2IAzeLe and http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/
I think that we can all agree that the man knows what he is talking about. Below, I will post the full interview, but these are, in my opinion, the most important excerpts in which Osterholm debunks the two biggest canards about this virus: NO, it is NOT “just like the flu” and NO this is not some kind of bioweapon. Listen for yourself:
By the way, most Russian experts also agree on both of these points: this is way more dangerous than just a flu and this is not some kind of bioattack.
I hope that these rumors will go to the same mental graveyard as the silly theory that the US shot down the Ukrainian airliner over Tehran.
Again, I WANT TO WARN OUR COMMUNITY: in times of crisis, fear and uncertainty, it is very hard to resist the temptation to clickbait. In fact, what we see is a strong inflation of all sorts of completely groundless theories. To my immense sadness, I have to add here that A LOT of putatively “pro-Russian” websites or “alternative news” websites are now engaging in a massive and absolutely shameless clickbaiting efforts: remember that most of them allow commercials ads so every click means money for them! Do not get conned by these efforts – all they want is your money and they will say pretty much anything to get you to click on that “shocking headline”.
Now I leave you with the full interview:
There is no coincidence in this world. Here we have cascading coincidences. The Rockerfehler foundation paper “lock down” scenario describing authoritarian response to virus in 2010. Bill Gate corona virus epidemic simulation event end of 2019. The only chinese level 4 bioweapon Lab in the epicenter of the Wuhan epidemic. A virus that conveniently hide a financial crisis just on time. A perfect country for a perfect blue print of authoritarian handling of the crisis (China), this example been “sold” to the rest of the world. A perfect timing after the last ditch legal attempt (impeachement) against Trump failed. A perfect scenario allowing global elites to deploy all their schemes (vaccins, curfew, only multinationals can work meaning destruction of mom and pop businesses, new world order replacing supposidely incompetent souverain governements….)
@ Gilles
I agree with your take on China. The US has been bled dry and hollowed out. It is only a matter of time before it implodes.
The parasitic elite have been moving to China for some time now. Just look at the amount of gold which has gone from west to east in the last decade alone. They have been preparing for the last century and a quick search on the creation of communist China will throw up many of the same names and connections which have caused the ruin of the US.
James Forrestal was president Truman’s Secretary of Defense. He fought hard against the decision to abandon Chiang Kai Shek and hand China over to the communists. In the Korean war, Gen MacArthur demanded to be allowed to take obvious steps in order to win it. He was allowed to take none of them and when he tried to insist, President Truman fired him. Look behind Truman and once again you will find the same people pulling the strings.
I believe that China is the blueprint for the NWO and that the Covid19s spread, and its handling by the Chinese is twofold. It shows the world how well the Chinese system works. This combined with, complicit western governments, organized panic will bring down the west’s financial system and ultimately western culture. Mission accomplished.
Many posts quoting Fauci and other experts saying the virus may be less virulent than advertised, perhaps with a case fatality rate (CFR) similar to flu. Dr. John Campbell has reviewed a study that suggests since a person takes time to incubate the virus and then to die, if that is two weeks, the death rate should be calculated by number of deaths divided by the number of cases present *two weeks prior*. That leads to higher mortality figures.
https://youtu.be/-60EvBSLulo?t=687
Even (as is very likely) the number of cases is way more than recorded, the above effect means the death rate is still likely to be higher.
Campbell’s videos are excellent. He’s been in the trenches and knows his medicine very well.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos
With the low infection rate in Mexico, could it be that the population developed immunity because Covid19 was in the country a while back. Let nature take its course.
I am sorry but no Joe Rogan to me. He once was someone to look up to, not any more. I am not scared and do not believe in this corona sh… There is where I lost respect for Putin too. Corona virus aka COVID-19 NOVEL.
What does novel mean? A Fiction, dear. FICTION! They are putting it to our faces and laughing all the way to the bank.
Event 201 and the same mafia as usual. That WHO in charge is not a doctor but a marxist-leninist politician from Ethiopia who worked on population control 10 years ago; was the one who denied access to food to children. You can check amazingpolly.net and see an elaborate research she put in debunking the major player in this fiction, Debora Birx, Dr. Fauci and Soros is in of course.
I don’t want to touch on the issue of whether this virus was created as a bio-weapon, because I have not researched the issue enough to comment. What I would like to touch on is the issue of whether I believe this virus to be such a threat to the existence of mankind on this planet that it warrants the unprecedented Draconian steps which are being implemented around the world.
Saker, you produce an interview from a well qualified professional, albeit with some ‘history’, let’s say. There are many other eminent virologists around the world who express a different view and can be found on many respected alternative independent news web-sites, which I wouldn’t suggest indulge in “clickbait”. The big question is, what will cause the most damage to the health and well-being of the population of the world, the virus itself or the extreme measures implemented in an attempt to conquer this virus?
There is clear evidence that the vast majority of people who contract the virus survive the ordeal and the mortality rate is low. That is the reason the UK Government took Covid-19 off the HCID list after only being on it for two months. As stated on their web-site the mortality rate is “low overall” and to be on the list, it needs to be high. There is also clear evidence from around the world, with the exception of Germany, that mortality is overwhelmingly concentrated within the elderly population who have one or more underlying medical conditions. For those who unfortunately have lost their lives, some countries register them as “with” Covid-19 and some “of” Covid-19. There is a difference, which is important to have a better understanding of the ‘actual’ mortality rate and a comparison to the mortality rate of seasonal flu, in my opinion is a reasonable thing to monitor.
I am not suggesting countries around the world do nothing. With the known facts that most people recover, even with no medical interventions and the ‘at risk’ are prominently the older population with other medical issues, countries should respond in a way that has a lesser impact to the health and well being of the vast majority of people who will still have to work, look after their children and look forward to the future when this is under control, because I don’t believe any of these types of viruses can be completely eradicated. I can’t help but think that the “cure” which is being dogmatically followed will create more problems than the “virus” itself, as expressed by many virologists around the world.
I apologise for not putting up some links as I am writing this on my tablet and have not learned how to get (I am 63!), But there are some good articles at offGuardian and 21stCenturywire to name a few.
Stay safe
Very interesting talk from an honest and knowledgeable & experienced man.
Thanks, Saker.
No convinced att all by this interview.
To complete our homework please read articles in Veterans today about this issue.
The second most important viewpoint is articles of Japanese investigative journalist Yoichi Shimatsu. He is very interesting explanation.
I respect Saker, but I think you have not the whole picture. Why an main stream American scientist should be trusted. There are scientists who says 911 was done by 19 idiots as in the official US claim.
Not always you will find evidence for things which happens. Logic, wisdom and intuition plus available data can in many case explain events.
Of course almost all nations won’t show their real corona death figures. Not because they don’t want but because they don’t really know. Demographics will tell it later.
The Med-Cram YT post today that the Sauna issue is beneficial, but it is not the heat killing the virus which is not true but the ice cold water bath and back and forth enhances your innate immune system that fights all infection vectors.
Osterholm certainly qualifies as an expert..I agree with many things he says. But experts disagree among themselves. I forget the name of the main doctor at a New York hospital’ ICU treating solely COV-19 patients. Osterholm says it mostly transmits by air while the doctor says N95 type masks need only used when doing very close contact procedures on infected patients. He says handwashing is most important for day to day people and not touching your face. We all know that is nearly impossible. so most any kind of mask is helpful. One thing is certain – this virus transmits easily. it fits that Louisiana has a large outbreak following Mardi Gra. That cruise ships are virus infection incubators. I agree with Oster holm – the numbers are unreliable at this time Experts disagree on how deadly this virus is. Osterholm dismisses the possiblility it was manufactured in a biolab just by saying nothing other than there is no evidence. I wonder what evidence he would need to consider it? A dark covert action to produce such a virus would go to much trouble to not leave any evidence. Then there is the article from nature that was written to debunk the idea. I had to look up very many words and learn their meaning just to understand it. . A guy who wants to blame China for making it pointed out it was a letter to the Editor not a peer reviewed article.
When I finally understood it I did not find it convincing. It is true that there is zoonotic transmission of corona viruses to previously uninfectiible animals (including humans). But already by 2015 they had already done snipping and snapping on corona viruses to make them more deadly. They had already done snipping and snapping on avian flu viruses to add gain of function for transmitability. Why would anybody do that? I agree with Saker that reasonable military planners find bioweapons unreliable and subject to unforeseen blowback. Is there any doubt there are people in the dark covert activities of the US government that are not sane and reasonable?
there was a whole section on vaccines and how people who have questions about vaccine safety are bonkers. At one point early on Osterholm says there were vaccine efforts for SARS but they just stopped. It is only later when he talks about necessary vaccine safety testing that he mentions that the vaccines initially developed to counteract SARS actually had the post-vaccine infected die of cytokine storms. Am I right to wonder if the vaccines for COV-19 being rushed will be adequately tested for safety and especially for any possible long term effects. People did die from getting the Swine Flu vaccine in the 70s and the more recent one. Depending on their bias experts disagree.
COV-19 is also aptly named SARS COV 2 It is less deadly than SARS but with the added transmissible gain of function . That this could not have been added in the lab and run through several generations of ferrets for enhancing the ACE 2 cell infecting ability I have not seen addressed. . Add to that the oft mentioned EVent 201 with its postulated China originated corona virus pandemic.in OCT 19 The multi trillion bailout of corporations and finance under the virus cover. and much other corroborating evidence I believe it is entirely plausible this was a planned event as 9/11 was.
This guy is a corporate shill … sorry. Can’t listen to him and in many instances Rogan has become the same sadly. For more truthful analysis follow George Webb’s youtube investigation into the virus as it’s way more truthful and detailed than anything in the mainstream or you’ve presented here.
https://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb/videos
Actually, medical authorities, such as Dr. Fauci for instance (who is infamously guilty of misleading the entire world into HIV=AIDS stupidity), are usually not to be believed.
It was medical authorities which delayed finding the true cause of ergotism by at least one hundred years. It was also medical authorities that put Dr. Semmelweiss in an insane asylum where he was promptly killed for claiming that an infection was responsible for puerperal fever in Vienna hospitals. He was right, they were wrong. The women who refused to go to hospitals staffed with clueless doctors also fared better than those who trusted the authorities and ended up dying from puerperal fever. But, no one seems to remember that.
I have also met more many infectious disease specialist and have concluded that they all know only one thing: how to keep their jobs by parroting official position with no regard for science. One of my friends, a medical doctor himself, said that doctors are at least 50 years behind science, and that’s on a good day.
Following authorities blindly, has already happened and it caused world wars and mass murder.
As for misleading people, if I created this infection, I would also make sure I disperse as much wrong info as possible, to discourage any real discussion. Just as all other attempts to uncover real conspiracies are sidetracked by false info, COVID-19 is subject to the same terms.
The opposition is ALWAYS controlled. If it is not, it will end up dead. Refer to examples such as Assange, or JFK, or his brother Robert, or Milosevic, or Palme, or Snowden…