Ray McGovern is one of the people I most respect in this world. That’s him, at the bottom of those pigs.
So, now we know what happens when someone asks a torturer questions about what they’ve done. Of course, none of those fake-representatives at that committee were going to do it. Thus, it took a brave citizen to do the job.
Í am so glad you posted this Saker. Ray McGovern is an outspoken and very active antiwar activist. I felt so bad about hearing that his arm was broken during this attack. And all the time the police kept saying “stop resisting” and there are several officers beating up ONE man! My prayers and positive thoughts for Ray McGovern!
It looks like he and another lady who was screaming “bloody Gina, you are a torturer” may have had an effect because it looks like Gina Haspel may not get confirmed after all..
It’s a sad day when honorable people risk injury and loss of freedom (e.g. Julian Assange) for speaking up. The people should not fear the government, the government should fear the people.
Hello Serbian Girl.
The ‘pigs’ in D.C. didn’t break Dear Ray’s arm.
I know this because, Ray’s shoulder was *dislocated*, meaning knocked-out-of-place by the N.Y.City ‘pigs’ i 2014 when Ray was abused/arrested at a general david betray-us petreaus speech.
As soon as I heard this only a few hours had gone bye, I rang the NYC Prosecuter’s Office and Wikileaks in Iceland so that could ‘activate’ their *Sam Adams Award* network.
Ray was tellin’ the D.C- ‘pigs’ his arm was dislocated and it hurt.
Ray is a wonderful man.
I’m a bonafide Yankee, but left the country 40 years ago.
I live in Sweden.
The only answer to the neocon problem is Pb. Lead.
Or public hangings.
The jUSA takeover is complete.
Sad.
X-
Sweden is a lovely place, with many kind people. I’m glad I got a chance to visit their once.
RT’s story on Mr. McGovern’s arrest does not mention a broken arm. It does mention bruises on his hands and states that his hand was dislocated. That probably hurt as much as a broken arm.
In that RT piece, it says …
“McGovern said he shouldn’t be regarded as a hero for risking his own heath in the campaign against torture. “What we’re trying to do is to be patriots. As an army officer first and then as a government employee with the CIA, I took just one solemn oath – that was to support and defend the constitution of the US against all enemies – foreign and domestic.”
My shoulder was dislocated because of a fall in my house, back in March. Had to have surgery and then 6 weeks in a sling before I can begin rehab. They figure 8 or 9 months before my left arm is back to normal, so this is not a laughing matter (except when I laugh!!) so I feel for Ray who is 5 years younger than I. God love him. he has been through the wars and deserves our prayers and good thoughs. As to those goons who took him down, I hope they all get dislocated themselves..
includes the following….
“Do we Americans want to be a rogue nation that tortures people, like North Korea? Do we want to be a nation whose CIA Director will not be able to visit the heads of counterpart services for fear of arrest under the principle of universal jurisdiction for the torture she is known to have led? Are we proud of the era when we snatched people from one country and sent them to another to be interrogated in secret prisons? Do we want to be the country that cynically preaches human rights and then violates those same rights when we think nobody is looking?
Do we want to be a government that lies to its own people and then punishes the truth-tellers who have exposed official activities illegal, immoral, unacceptable, and incompatible with our values, even when classification of embarrassing or illegal conduct is expressly forbidden?”
”Do we Americans want to be a rogue nation that tortures people, like North Korea?”
Well, except for the fact that the DPRK doesn’t torture people, never mind on a global scale, the answer to the above question reads Hell yes! Despite much clamour to the contrary, Pindos yearn dearly for all the mayhem, murder, and chauvinism they vote for and more. Exceptional and indispensable folks don’t take lightly to lesser peoples, countries, and leaders being able to defend themselves, that’s for sure.
Ron Paul, one of greatest American statesman, speaking of the US government said :
“we will be known as the 21st century torturers”.
I wished once he would become president of the US. Later on I reconsidered what I wished. Today I am happy he didn’t become president. He would had been murdered. The Pharisee system does not allow for moral people in * that* seat.
McGovern is a very gentle and mild mannered critic of the zionazi colonial regime running the usa.
What does maga stand for? Make america gay again. Like it was during the 1950s, the 1980s under raygun and bushit sr., and during junior’s quisling regime. Like it is under the Jewish-Catholic neocon trump regime.
You have forgotten that Ray McGovern was an extremely violent threat to the Commission; after all he was telling the truth which can be a felony.
And the police are calling on McGovern to ‘stop resisting’, whilst they forcefully move him out of the court chamber, but other than that the police do not appear to use excessive force until after they remove him from the chamber and then he is thrown to the floor so they can place handcuffs on him as per ‘their’ protocols, and I would imagine that that was where the arm/shoulder was dislocated.
Ray McGovern would have been aware of what would have happened well before he attempted to warn the Commission of the priors of Haspel, but he believed the message was more important than the expected outcome.
The police would tell you that they were simply trying to do their job, which they were, in trying to protect the community, which they were not; they were trying to protect the government, which is a completely different beast.
Twenty years ago, a retired police officer called ‘Jack McLamb’ tried to warn Western Society of what was happening to the American Police forces in that they were being taken over from a Federal perspective, but his message failed to survive.
In Victoria, at the Police Training Depot, we had an immigrant from the Isle of Man by the name of S/Sgt Derek Bateman, who told us exactly who we were, as ‘Officers of the Crown’ with individual powers granted to us directly from the crown, and not from Parliament or any little bureaucrat.
Unfortunately once the ‘Internationalists’ gained power the constabulary became a ‘Law enforcement Officer’, which totally ignored the very reason and presumption of why we have laws in the first place.
the police training in the USA is done by an Israel company – sometimes trainees are even sent to Israel for training – also see this video – from yesterday – Netanyahu was visiting Putin and his body guards pushed an old Russian solidier – very roughly –
an old soldier is roughly pushed aside as Putin and – surprise surprise – Netanyahu – walk by on the Victory Day celebrations – so Putin apologizes to the elderly man and walks with him to the Alexander Gardens – (from Ann – it looked like Israeli behavior)
Hmm, don’t be so sure. If you look closely it was 1 body guard , not more than 1……so RT is incorrect at that point, secondly he has a white tag round his neck and purple tie .
The tag indicates to me he was not putins, as the team will know each other, train together and be a tight group, Satanyahoos team will need to be clearly marked and identifiable. In the mass of people like here that is essential .
The tie will also have some significance but at this stage I don’t know what.
The tie would have been a definite indicator. In my day the CIB used little badges or tie pins on their lapels as identification markers to other members of the police.
Again the Russian protocols would not permit an ‘offence’ to be committed by the visiting politician’s bodyguard, and that is why the Russians shouldered the blame, but the reality was that it was the best thing the Israelis could have done as it gave VV Putin the opportunity to distance himself from a bully and console a veteran.
I considered that episode an absolute marvel as it told me exactly where and how Putin thinks, and it also explains the Israeli thinking and attitude.
Absolutely beautiful!
And of course, VV Putin has always been aware of these existing egos.
It’s not called “The Blue Wall” for nothing. American police exist to keep plutocrat/kleptocrat butchers in power. You haven’t lived till you’ve seen a half-dozen of them slam a little old lady against the wall because she “might be using marijuana for her nausea”… alas, I have seen it.
And as Americans get poorer, the Blue Wall gets fatter. The guys you see mauling Ray McGovern get six-figure incomes and gold-plated insurance. Productive citizens are lucky to get half that.
As others have said, worse might be better. It’s as if they are pushing Americans to fight them, and get killed, even as the Security State is provoking everyone else on Earth in other ways. Citizens might find a cogent way to push back effectively. I can dream, anyway.
On the plus side, it cannot survive much longer. Unemployed peasants cannot pay taxes.
(Just a note: MAGA is a recent invention. FDR and JFK ran on platforms to “get the country moving again”, as in economically for the most part. “Moving” (toward higher incomes, for one) is a specific goal. “Great” is subjective, as in Great Pain in the Bum. We were told Reagan’s handlers thought the FDR/JFK line needed an update, but as the world has seen, it was a big step down.)
Yes disgusting, i commented on twitter about it, not all comments were against.
Violence is the USA since 1765 & before. It exists throughout their society, physical & mental from the very top to the very bottom, inherited from Briton & now owned by Israeli’s elite supporters otherwise known as elite jews. It doesn’t know negotiation & won’t be reasoned away by inviting it’s temporal leader to your party & hoping for change.
In my experience the current control elites sooner or later destroy everything they touch, which might be a problem as they & like minded priviliged nobility own about everything everywhere except for a few states who follow other more gentle and fair systems of political & economic management.
Ray’s been doing this a long time. He won. Look at those camera men taking it all in. Ray may have tipped the scales against the queen of torture. He won. He got what he came for! Thanks Ray!
Outrageous.
And the “Stop resisting” mantra.
That is obviously what these goons are trained to say in every situation, to cover their a—es.
The “perp” was “resisting.” So we can shoot him if we feel like it or someone’s gun just “slips.” In fact, at first I thought someone was pointing a gun. Six testosterone-bloated fatties to subdue one intelligent 79-year-old. What has the country come to?
“The exceptional people”. “The shining city on a hill”. “Land of the free and home of the brave”. This oft repeated scene in Amerika looks more like prisoner treatment to me. A gang of big, young, strong ‘officials’ rough up a senior who is not showing any violence.
Naturally the filthy witch raised not a word to call off the pigs.
Ray McGovern is one of the people I most respect in this world. That’s him, at the bottom of those pigs.
So, now we know what happens when someone asks a torturer questions about what they’ve done. Of course, none of those fake-representatives at that committee were going to do it. Thus, it took a brave citizen to do the job.
Í am so glad you posted this Saker. Ray McGovern is an outspoken and very active antiwar activist. I felt so bad about hearing that his arm was broken during this attack. And all the time the police kept saying “stop resisting” and there are several officers beating up ONE man! My prayers and positive thoughts for Ray McGovern!
It looks like he and another lady who was screaming “bloody Gina, you are a torturer” may have had an effect because it looks like Gina Haspel may not get confirmed after all..
It’s a sad day when honorable people risk injury and loss of freedom (e.g. Julian Assange) for speaking up. The people should not fear the government, the government should fear the people.
Hello Serbian Girl.
The ‘pigs’ in D.C. didn’t break Dear Ray’s arm.
I know this because, Ray’s shoulder was *dislocated*, meaning knocked-out-of-place by the N.Y.City ‘pigs’ i 2014 when Ray was abused/arrested at a general david betray-us petreaus speech.
As soon as I heard this only a few hours had gone bye, I rang the NYC Prosecuter’s Office and Wikileaks in Iceland so that could ‘activate’ their *Sam Adams Award* network.
Ray was tellin’ the D.C- ‘pigs’ his arm was dislocated and it hurt.
Ray is a wonderful man.
I’m a bonafide Yankee, but left the country 40 years ago.
I live in Sweden.
The only answer to the neocon problem is Pb. Lead.
Or public hangings.
The jUSA takeover is complete.
Sad.
X-
Sweden is a lovely place, with many kind people. I’m glad I got a chance to visit their once.
RT’s story on Mr. McGovern’s arrest does not mention a broken arm. It does mention bruises on his hands and states that his hand was dislocated. That probably hurt as much as a broken arm.
In that RT piece, it says …
“McGovern said he shouldn’t be regarded as a hero for risking his own heath in the campaign against torture. “What we’re trying to do is to be patriots. As an army officer first and then as a government employee with the CIA, I took just one solemn oath – that was to support and defend the constitution of the US against all enemies – foreign and domestic.”
The former CIA official said he checked with the lawyers, who told him that this oath has no expiration date, adding: “All I’m trying to do is live up to my oath.””
—————
https://www.rt.com/usa/426450-cia-veteran-haspel-released/
My shoulder was dislocated because of a fall in my house, back in March. Had to have surgery and then 6 weeks in a sling before I can begin rehab. They figure 8 or 9 months before my left arm is back to normal, so this is not a laughing matter (except when I laugh!!) so I feel for Ray who is 5 years younger than I. God love him. he has been through the wars and deserves our prayers and good thoughs. As to those goons who took him down, I hope they all get dislocated themselves..
The statement of Ray McGovern and others on the nomination of Bloody Gina.
“Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity Call on Senate Intelligence Committee to vote against Haspel”
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/05/08/vips-call-on-senate-intel-panel-to-vote-against-haspel/
includes the following….
“Do we Americans want to be a rogue nation that tortures people, like North Korea? Do we want to be a nation whose CIA Director will not be able to visit the heads of counterpart services for fear of arrest under the principle of universal jurisdiction for the torture she is known to have led? Are we proud of the era when we snatched people from one country and sent them to another to be interrogated in secret prisons? Do we want to be the country that cynically preaches human rights and then violates those same rights when we think nobody is looking?
Do we want to be a government that lies to its own people and then punishes the truth-tellers who have exposed official activities illegal, immoral, unacceptable, and incompatible with our values, even when classification of embarrassing or illegal conduct is expressly forbidden?”
”Do we Americans want to be a rogue nation that tortures people, like North Korea?”
Well, except for the fact that the DPRK doesn’t torture people, never mind on a global scale, the answer to the above question reads Hell yes! Despite much clamour to the contrary, Pindos yearn dearly for all the mayhem, murder, and chauvinism they vote for and more. Exceptional and indispensable folks don’t take lightly to lesser peoples, countries, and leaders being able to defend themselves, that’s for sure.
Nussiminen,
Ron Paul, one of greatest American statesman, speaking of the US government said :
“we will be known as the 21st century torturers”.
I wished once he would become president of the US. Later on I reconsidered what I wished. Today I am happy he didn’t become president. He would had been murdered. The Pharisee system does not allow for moral people in * that* seat.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QVDJ93WIz58
In a time of universal deceit-telling the truth is seen as a revolutionary act.
George Orwell.
McGovern is a very gentle and mild mannered critic of the zionazi colonial regime running the usa.
What does maga stand for? Make america gay again. Like it was during the 1950s, the 1980s under raygun and bushit sr., and during junior’s quisling regime. Like it is under the Jewish-Catholic neocon trump regime.
Poorly trained monosyllabic apes in the service of the dark state. F this government and the one behind it
Looks like it takes six cops to subdue a 78 year-old man. MAGA, indeed!
You have forgotten that Ray McGovern was an extremely violent threat to the Commission; after all he was telling the truth which can be a felony.
And the police are calling on McGovern to ‘stop resisting’, whilst they forcefully move him out of the court chamber, but other than that the police do not appear to use excessive force until after they remove him from the chamber and then he is thrown to the floor so they can place handcuffs on him as per ‘their’ protocols, and I would imagine that that was where the arm/shoulder was dislocated.
Ray McGovern would have been aware of what would have happened well before he attempted to warn the Commission of the priors of Haspel, but he believed the message was more important than the expected outcome.
The police would tell you that they were simply trying to do their job, which they were, in trying to protect the community, which they were not; they were trying to protect the government, which is a completely different beast.
Twenty years ago, a retired police officer called ‘Jack McLamb’ tried to warn Western Society of what was happening to the American Police forces in that they were being taken over from a Federal perspective, but his message failed to survive.
In Victoria, at the Police Training Depot, we had an immigrant from the Isle of Man by the name of S/Sgt Derek Bateman, who told us exactly who we were, as ‘Officers of the Crown’ with individual powers granted to us directly from the crown, and not from Parliament or any little bureaucrat.
Unfortunately once the ‘Internationalists’ gained power the constabulary became a ‘Law enforcement Officer’, which totally ignored the very reason and presumption of why we have laws in the first place.
the police training in the USA is done by an Israel company – sometimes trainees are even sent to Israel for training – also see this video – from yesterday – Netanyahu was visiting Putin and his body guards pushed an old Russian solidier – very roughly –
https://www.rt.com/news/426242-putin-welcomes-veteran-security/
an old soldier is roughly pushed aside as Putin and – surprise surprise – Netanyahu – walk by on the Victory Day celebrations – so Putin apologizes to the elderly man and walks with him to the Alexander Gardens – (from Ann – it looked like Israeli behavior)
This time it was Russian security doing that. I wondered myself until RT reported on it and said it was Putin’s security personnel.
https://www.rt.com/news/426314-putin-veteran-rt-story/
Hmm, don’t be so sure. If you look closely it was 1 body guard , not more than 1……so RT is incorrect at that point, secondly he has a white tag round his neck and purple tie .
The tag indicates to me he was not putins, as the team will know each other, train together and be a tight group, Satanyahoos team will need to be clearly marked and identifiable. In the mass of people like here that is essential .
The tie will also have some significance but at this stage I don’t know what.
The tie would have been a definite indicator. In my day the CIB used little badges or tie pins on their lapels as identification markers to other members of the police.
Again the Russian protocols would not permit an ‘offence’ to be committed by the visiting politician’s bodyguard, and that is why the Russians shouldered the blame, but the reality was that it was the best thing the Israelis could have done as it gave VV Putin the opportunity to distance himself from a bully and console a veteran.
I considered that episode an absolute marvel as it told me exactly where and how Putin thinks, and it also explains the Israeli thinking and attitude.
Absolutely beautiful!
And of course, VV Putin has always been aware of these existing egos.
Ha ha, Putin and the Old Soldier are having a nice chat while Netty, looking out of sorts, walks on the sidelines by himself.
Katherine
It’s not called “The Blue Wall” for nothing. American police exist to keep plutocrat/kleptocrat butchers in power. You haven’t lived till you’ve seen a half-dozen of them slam a little old lady against the wall because she “might be using marijuana for her nausea”… alas, I have seen it.
And as Americans get poorer, the Blue Wall gets fatter. The guys you see mauling Ray McGovern get six-figure incomes and gold-plated insurance. Productive citizens are lucky to get half that.
As others have said, worse might be better. It’s as if they are pushing Americans to fight them, and get killed, even as the Security State is provoking everyone else on Earth in other ways. Citizens might find a cogent way to push back effectively. I can dream, anyway.
On the plus side, it cannot survive much longer. Unemployed peasants cannot pay taxes.
(Just a note: MAGA is a recent invention. FDR and JFK ran on platforms to “get the country moving again”, as in economically for the most part. “Moving” (toward higher incomes, for one) is a specific goal. “Great” is subjective, as in Great Pain in the Bum. We were told Reagan’s handlers thought the FDR/JFK line needed an update, but as the world has seen, it was a big step down.)
Yes disgusting, i commented on twitter about it, not all comments were against.
Violence is the USA since 1765 & before. It exists throughout their society, physical & mental from the very top to the very bottom, inherited from Briton & now owned by Israeli’s elite supporters otherwise known as elite jews. It doesn’t know negotiation & won’t be reasoned away by inviting it’s temporal leader to your party & hoping for change.
In my experience the current control elites sooner or later destroy everything they touch, which might be a problem as they & like minded priviliged nobility own about everything everywhere except for a few states who follow other more gentle and fair systems of political & economic management.
Ray’s been doing this a long time. He won. Look at those camera men taking it all in. Ray may have tipped the scales against the queen of torture. He won. He got what he came for! Thanks Ray!
Outrageous.
And the “Stop resisting” mantra.
That is obviously what these goons are trained to say in every situation, to cover their a—es.
The “perp” was “resisting.” So we can shoot him if we feel like it or someone’s gun just “slips.” In fact, at first I thought someone was pointing a gun. Six testosterone-bloated fatties to subdue one intelligent 79-year-old. What has the country come to?
But I think it was 1-6 in Ray’s favor!
Katherine
“The exceptional people”. “The shining city on a hill”. “Land of the free and home of the brave”. This oft repeated scene in Amerika looks more like prisoner treatment to me. A gang of big, young, strong ‘officials’ rough up a senior who is not showing any violence.