Pretty much what I suspected. Russia has thrown in the towel and Syria will be resigned to her fate against a well funded terrorist and rebel group that enjoys clandestine state sponsorship from America’s allies. Russia is slated for similar destruction, but not until the Zionists get what they want first.
I take it you did not watch the video right through?
I guess its easy to mistake Russian diplomacy for Russian goals. In this case there must be no conditions attached to talks taking place. Talks are not policies. Its called taking the wind out of US sails. US position was – talks could only take place on the condition that “Assad must go”
Everything that is happening is targeted at putting the US in an indefensible position so that the US must always dance to Russia’s tune. Syria cannot beat the US on its own, so it has to trust Russia on this one.
@ Shlomo – You wish. You and your kind. The Zionists suffered their first major defeat in their entire history with the loss of Crimea. How they must rage now, impotently.
Don’t you understand that your plan is lost, has failed, can never now succeed? Because Russia is awake. You were too clumsy, too arrogant. You poked the bear. Never poke the bear. Now go away.
They are also poking China which is not a good thing to do. As General Montgomery stated – the two rules of war are. Rule 1 – don’t march on Moscow and Rule 2 – don’t invade China.
Doubt it. Russia utilises something ‘Reflexive Control Theory’. It is a bit like game theory so what you appear to see it not always the true intent. RCT is more an information weapon that also has military facets.
A friend posted the reported conversation of the Russian SF officer in Syria who called in air strikes on his own position to destroy Daesh attackers:
Russian Special Forces Commando last words transcript: PLEASE SHARE
Translated from Russian
Officer: command I am compromised, repeat I am compromised.
Command: please repeat and confirm
Officer: They have spotted me, there are shooting everywhere, i am pinned, request evacuation immediately
Command: evacuation request acknowledged
Officer: please hurry I am low on ammo, they seem to everywhere, I can’t hold them for too long please hurry
Command: Confirmed, hold them off, continue return of fire, go to safe position, air support is monitoring,state coordinates
Officer: gives coordinates which are blurred in the translation
Command: command repeats coordinates which are blurred. Confirm
Officer: confirmed, please hurry I am low on ammo, they are surrounding me, bastards
Command: 12 minutes until evacuation, return to safe line, I repeat return to safe line
Officer: they are close, i am surrounded, this may be the end, tell my family i love them dearly
Command: return to green line, continue return of fire, help is on the way, followed by air support
Officer: negative, I am surrounded, they are so many of these bastards
Command: 10 minutes, return to green line
Officer: I can’t they have surrounded me and are closing in, please hurry
Command: move to green line, repeat move to green line
Officer: they are outside, conduct the airstrike now please hurry, this is the end, tell my family i love them and i died fighting for my motherland.
Command: negative return to green line
Officer: i cant command, i am surrounded, they are outside, i don’t want them to take me and parade me, conduct the airstrike, they will make a mockery of me and this uniform. I want to die with dignity and take all these bastards with me. please my last wish, conduct the airstrike, they will kill me either way.
Command: please confirm your request
Officer: they out outside, this is the end commander, thank you, tell my family and my country i love them. Tell them i was brave and i fought until i could no longer. Please take care of my family, avenge my death,good bye commander, tell my family I love them
Command: no response, orders the airstrike
What a sad transcript of the recordings. Long live Russia.
Uncle Bob, I translated the transcript to publish it on the French Saker blog, and the administrator said
“yes, it’s shaking.
May we have a confirmation? It may be a fabrication. I am surprised that the Russians let filter a military conversation. They are not used to do this. Sorry to be so sceptical but it’s better to check”
So, please, could you just tell me it’s not a fabrication? Thank you for your answer and for posting the transcript
Jamais un Spetznaz russe ne geindra ni pleurnichera de la sorte, ces aneries sont insultantes pour les combattants du Speznaz. Arretez ces debilites “a l’eau de rose et toutes morveuses” comme disent les Russes.
The “West” planned to “free” Palmyra (i.e. to cut a deal with ISIS that they leave the area), become the heroes and make headlines in the MSM, but Syria/Russia snatched the “trophy” right in front of their mouth.
No wonder they are pissed and tries to ignore the whole thing.
All quiet on Western front after Syrian forces recapture Palmyra from ISIS
“The recapture of the ancient Syrian city of Palmyra was the single biggest defeat for ISIS since it declared its caliphate, but the West does not seem interested. Why? Because then they’d have to give some credit to Russia.
Indeed, it must have been a tough weekend for Western media’s favorite Syria pundits. It’s hard to fathom that any observer — regardless of their particular leanings — could feel anything other than relief at such a victory.
Yet, there’s a strange sense that some pundits might actually be a little bit disappointed. Not to see the back of ISIS in the city, of course, but to be faced with the uncomfortable reality that their narrative is quickly unraveling.
No word from the grand coalition
Given the monumental importance of this latest victory in Syria’s war, you would expect at least a comment or two from Barack Obama, who more than a year and a half ago solemnly swore that his grand coalition would “degrade and destroy” the terror group. You might also expect a few words from David Cameron, who, like Obama, has seemed so terribly concerned by the humanitarian situation in Syria and so determined to “defeat” ISIS. But the two of them must have been having a bit too much fun this past Easter weekend, because there wasn’t a peep out of them. In a way, they’ve done us a favor, because their silence speaks far louder than their words ever could.
The reality is, while the Syrian army, supported by Russian air power, was advancing on ISIS positions, Cameron and Obama were busy trying to figure out how they could get you to believe that Russia was actually helping ISIS. When they weren’t doing that, they were busy plotting how best to topple the Syrian president, who controls the one and only fighting force that is capable of defeating on the ground the barbaric terror group they claim to be so “shocked and concerned” by. Yes, such valiant determination they have shown in their quest to rid the world of terrorism.
A blow to the Western narrative
Unfortunately, the loud but duplicitous proclamations from Washington and London were gobbled up whole by a pliant media, and so, for a while we were treated to headlines about the Russians “helping” ISIS, or “giving ISIS and air force” and other such nonsense which now looks rather embarrassing in hindsight. In this context, the recapture of Palmyra was not just a mortal blow to ISIS, it was also a mortal blow to the West’s entire rotten narrative on Syria.
One of the other favorites, was the line that Putin was “weaponizing” refugees, shamelessly propagated by NATO chief General Philip Breedlove. This one was particularly deceitful as it utterly disregarded the hundreds of thousands of refugees who fled nations torn apart by NATO interventions well before Russia entered the Syrian war.
When Palmyra was taken by ISIS, Western media gave the story extensive coverage. They were outraged when the militants blew up the 2,000-year-old Arch of Triumph. They were sickened when ISIS publicly beheaded 82-year-old renowned antiquities scholar Khaled al-Asaad and hung his body in the main square. Given their obvious distress at what had happened to this place of such huge historical significance, you would think they’d have been delighted to see it liberated from the group of jihadis currently terrorizing not only Syria, but Europe, too.
Instead, they can barely stomach it.
Sure, they covered it. They had to. But in contrast to the coverage the city was given when it was captured, the initial reaction to its liberation was fairly subdued. Some of the initial reports yesterday did not even mention the word Russia, while others used the Syrian army’s success to cast doubt over Assad’s commitment to fighting the terror group.
But just let’s imagine for a moment that it had been British and American warplanes involved in the battle to retake Palmyra. The front pages of Western newspapers would be overflowing with self-congratulations. Someone would probably be running in to drape an American flag over the ancient ruins. Neocons and liberals alike would be making the TV rounds, happily predicting the beginning of a new dawn for the Syrian people. The usual script.
What will the pundits do now?
One of the rare analysts who has actually been right on Syria time and again is Max Abrahms, political science professor and terrorism expert at Northwestern University. Abrahms recently commented on Twitter that it would be interesting to see whether the media would make any changes to their punditry lineups, given that so much of their previous Syria analysis is “now debunked”. Sadly, there will likely be no change at all. The same pundits will continue to appear.
Watch as they try to minimize the importance of the Syrian and Russian achievement at Palmyra. Watch as they try to extricate themselves from the quagmire of their own misinformation campaign. Watch as they engage in ever more impressive mental gymnastics, trying desperately to prove they were, of course, right all along. They simply cannot highlight Russia’s role in this kind of victory, because in doing so, they would highlight their own failure.
If Washington truly wants to wipe out ISIS, both their actions and their chosen allies of Turkey and Saudi Arabia would seem to raise some uncomfortable questions. Russian warplanes carried out 41 sorties in 24 hours to support the Syrian army’s Palmyra offensive. American planes carried out two. As veteran reporter Robert Fisk wrote in The Independent yesterday: “[The Americans] wanted to destroy ISIS, but not that much.”
Now, while Assad’s forces push on towards the self-proclaimed ISIS ‘capital’ of Raqqa and Russia sends robots and engineers in to help de-mine Palmyra, what will Cameron and Obama be doing? They’ll be scrambling for new talking points — and to their relief, the same pundits who peddled lies about this war for years will no doubt come to their aid and continue to obscure basic facts. But as the latest victory shows, it will become harder and harder to convince the masses when the truth becomes plainer and plainer to see.
Fortunately however, there are some who aren’t as afraid to give credit where it is due. London Mayor Boris Johnson admitted that the Russians have “made the West look relatively ineffective; and so now is the time for us to make amends, and to play to our strengths”.
He went on: “If Putin’s troops have helped winkle the maniacs from Palmyra, then – it pains me to admit – that is very much to the credit of the Russians. It is alas very hard to claim that the success of the Assad forces is a result of any particular British or indeed western policy.”
Just like Iraq, when the veil of lies and deceit is finally lifted, the truth will be plain to see.”
This is what BBC had to say about it:
“This is a victory for President Bashar al-Assad, who wants to show the world that he is a partner in fighting terrorism…
…But residents and observers cast doubts on why Mr Assad’s forces pulled out from Palmyra in the first place, allowing Islamic State militants to get in to the city.
In May 2015, hundreds of IS fighters drove hundreds of kilometres across the desert to reach Palmyra, almost uninterrupted, while government forces were dropping barrel bombs over opposition areas full of civilians….”
.
.
And today, at UNESCO, Annie Sartre-Fauriat, who belongs to a group of “experts” on Syrian heritage set up by UNESCO in 2013 (!) said;
“Everyone is excited because Palmyra has been ‘liberated’, but we should not forget everything that has been destroyed…..As long as the Syrian army is there, I am not reassured,” said Sartre-Fauriat.
“We should not forget that the army occupied the site between 2012 and 2015 and caused a lot of destruction and pillaging……We should not kid ourselves. It’s not because Palmyra has been retaken from Daesh (ISIL) that the war is over. This was a political and media operation designed to win over public opinion for the regime of (Syrian President) Bashar al-Assad” she added…”
Pretty much what I suspected. Russia has thrown in the towel and Syria will be resigned to her fate against a well funded terrorist and rebel group that enjoys clandestine state sponsorship from America’s allies. Russia is slated for similar destruction, but not until the Zionists get what they want first.
Shlomo
I take it you did not watch the video right through?
I guess its easy to mistake Russian diplomacy for Russian goals. In this case there must be no conditions attached to talks taking place. Talks are not policies. Its called taking the wind out of US sails. US position was – talks could only take place on the condition that “Assad must go”
Everything that is happening is targeted at putting the US in an indefensible position so that the US must always dance to Russia’s tune. Syria cannot beat the US on its own, so it has to trust Russia on this one.
@ Shlomo – You wish. You and your kind. The Zionists suffered their first major defeat in their entire history with the loss of Crimea. How they must rage now, impotently.
Don’t you understand that your plan is lost, has failed, can never now succeed? Because Russia is awake. You were too clumsy, too arrogant. You poked the bear. Never poke the bear. Now go away.
They are also poking China which is not a good thing to do. As General Montgomery stated – the two rules of war are. Rule 1 – don’t march on Moscow and Rule 2 – don’t invade China.
…and they want both…
Doubt it. Russia utilises something ‘Reflexive Control Theory’. It is a bit like game theory so what you appear to see it not always the true intent. RCT is more an information weapon that also has military facets.
I love this chick.
Lovely chick indeed
Her lips should be declared a national treasure.
La Jolie v Syrian Girl.
I can just see the ‘Battle of the Lips’ (each mouthing their respective countries positions) on You-Tube.
Syrian Girl will get my vote.:)
A friend posted the reported conversation of the Russian SF officer in Syria who called in air strikes on his own position to destroy Daesh attackers:
Russian Special Forces Commando last words transcript: PLEASE SHARE
Translated from Russian
Officer: command I am compromised, repeat I am compromised.
Command: please repeat and confirm
Officer: They have spotted me, there are shooting everywhere, i am pinned, request evacuation immediately
Command: evacuation request acknowledged
Officer: please hurry I am low on ammo, they seem to everywhere, I can’t hold them for too long please hurry
Command: Confirmed, hold them off, continue return of fire, go to safe position, air support is monitoring,state coordinates
Officer: gives coordinates which are blurred in the translation
Command: command repeats coordinates which are blurred. Confirm
Officer: confirmed, please hurry I am low on ammo, they are surrounding me, bastards
Command: 12 minutes until evacuation, return to safe line, I repeat return to safe line
Officer: they are close, i am surrounded, this may be the end, tell my family i love them dearly
Command: return to green line, continue return of fire, help is on the way, followed by air support
Officer: negative, I am surrounded, they are so many of these bastards
Command: 10 minutes, return to green line
Officer: I can’t they have surrounded me and are closing in, please hurry
Command: move to green line, repeat move to green line
Officer: they are outside, conduct the airstrike now please hurry, this is the end, tell my family i love them and i died fighting for my motherland.
Command: negative return to green line
Officer: i cant command, i am surrounded, they are outside, i don’t want them to take me and parade me, conduct the airstrike, they will make a mockery of me and this uniform. I want to die with dignity and take all these bastards with me. please my last wish, conduct the airstrike, they will kill me either way.
Command: please confirm your request
Officer: they out outside, this is the end commander, thank you, tell my family and my country i love them. Tell them i was brave and i fought until i could no longer. Please take care of my family, avenge my death,good bye commander, tell my family I love them
Command: no response, orders the airstrike
What a sad transcript of the recordings. Long live Russia.
full display of Russian fighting spirit…
Thank you Uncle Bob.
“Avenge my death.”
So many are responsible–Obama, Bush, Netanyahoo, Cameron, Blair, Hollonde, Erdogan, etc. And it’s not just this soldier.
Very moving.
(crying now.,)
Uncle Bob, I translated the transcript to publish it on the French Saker blog, and the administrator said
“yes, it’s shaking.
May we have a confirmation? It may be a fabrication. I am surprised that the Russians let filter a military conversation. They are not used to do this. Sorry to be so sceptical but it’s better to check”
So, please, could you just tell me it’s not a fabrication? Thank you for your answer and for posting the transcript
Jamais un Spetznaz russe ne geindra ni pleurnichera de la sorte, ces aneries sont insultantes pour les combattants du Speznaz. Arretez ces debilites “a l’eau de rose et toutes morveuses” comme disent les Russes.
Uncle Bob, it is very touching indeed, but a confirmation link would be great. Otherwise could be accused of disseminating ‘Russian propaganda’.
The “West” planned to “free” Palmyra (i.e. to cut a deal with ISIS that they leave the area), become the heroes and make headlines in the MSM, but Syria/Russia snatched the “trophy” right in front of their mouth.
No wonder they are pissed and tries to ignore the whole thing.
Here is Danielle Ryan in RT:
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337436-western-front-palmyra-syria/
All quiet on Western front after Syrian forces recapture Palmyra from ISIS
“The recapture of the ancient Syrian city of Palmyra was the single biggest defeat for ISIS since it declared its caliphate, but the West does not seem interested. Why? Because then they’d have to give some credit to Russia.
Indeed, it must have been a tough weekend for Western media’s favorite Syria pundits. It’s hard to fathom that any observer — regardless of their particular leanings — could feel anything other than relief at such a victory.
Yet, there’s a strange sense that some pundits might actually be a little bit disappointed. Not to see the back of ISIS in the city, of course, but to be faced with the uncomfortable reality that their narrative is quickly unraveling.
No word from the grand coalition
Given the monumental importance of this latest victory in Syria’s war, you would expect at least a comment or two from Barack Obama, who more than a year and a half ago solemnly swore that his grand coalition would “degrade and destroy” the terror group. You might also expect a few words from David Cameron, who, like Obama, has seemed so terribly concerned by the humanitarian situation in Syria and so determined to “defeat” ISIS. But the two of them must have been having a bit too much fun this past Easter weekend, because there wasn’t a peep out of them. In a way, they’ve done us a favor, because their silence speaks far louder than their words ever could.
The reality is, while the Syrian army, supported by Russian air power, was advancing on ISIS positions, Cameron and Obama were busy trying to figure out how they could get you to believe that Russia was actually helping ISIS. When they weren’t doing that, they were busy plotting how best to topple the Syrian president, who controls the one and only fighting force that is capable of defeating on the ground the barbaric terror group they claim to be so “shocked and concerned” by. Yes, such valiant determination they have shown in their quest to rid the world of terrorism.
A blow to the Western narrative
Unfortunately, the loud but duplicitous proclamations from Washington and London were gobbled up whole by a pliant media, and so, for a while we were treated to headlines about the Russians “helping” ISIS, or “giving ISIS and air force” and other such nonsense which now looks rather embarrassing in hindsight. In this context, the recapture of Palmyra was not just a mortal blow to ISIS, it was also a mortal blow to the West’s entire rotten narrative on Syria.
One of the other favorites, was the line that Putin was “weaponizing” refugees, shamelessly propagated by NATO chief General Philip Breedlove. This one was particularly deceitful as it utterly disregarded the hundreds of thousands of refugees who fled nations torn apart by NATO interventions well before Russia entered the Syrian war.
When Palmyra was taken by ISIS, Western media gave the story extensive coverage. They were outraged when the militants blew up the 2,000-year-old Arch of Triumph. They were sickened when ISIS publicly beheaded 82-year-old renowned antiquities scholar Khaled al-Asaad and hung his body in the main square. Given their obvious distress at what had happened to this place of such huge historical significance, you would think they’d have been delighted to see it liberated from the group of jihadis currently terrorizing not only Syria, but Europe, too.
Instead, they can barely stomach it.
Sure, they covered it. They had to. But in contrast to the coverage the city was given when it was captured, the initial reaction to its liberation was fairly subdued. Some of the initial reports yesterday did not even mention the word Russia, while others used the Syrian army’s success to cast doubt over Assad’s commitment to fighting the terror group.
But just let’s imagine for a moment that it had been British and American warplanes involved in the battle to retake Palmyra. The front pages of Western newspapers would be overflowing with self-congratulations. Someone would probably be running in to drape an American flag over the ancient ruins. Neocons and liberals alike would be making the TV rounds, happily predicting the beginning of a new dawn for the Syrian people. The usual script.
What will the pundits do now?
One of the rare analysts who has actually been right on Syria time and again is Max Abrahms, political science professor and terrorism expert at Northwestern University. Abrahms recently commented on Twitter that it would be interesting to see whether the media would make any changes to their punditry lineups, given that so much of their previous Syria analysis is “now debunked”. Sadly, there will likely be no change at all. The same pundits will continue to appear.
Watch as they try to minimize the importance of the Syrian and Russian achievement at Palmyra. Watch as they try to extricate themselves from the quagmire of their own misinformation campaign. Watch as they engage in ever more impressive mental gymnastics, trying desperately to prove they were, of course, right all along. They simply cannot highlight Russia’s role in this kind of victory, because in doing so, they would highlight their own failure.
If Washington truly wants to wipe out ISIS, both their actions and their chosen allies of Turkey and Saudi Arabia would seem to raise some uncomfortable questions. Russian warplanes carried out 41 sorties in 24 hours to support the Syrian army’s Palmyra offensive. American planes carried out two. As veteran reporter Robert Fisk wrote in The Independent yesterday: “[The Americans] wanted to destroy ISIS, but not that much.”
Now, while Assad’s forces push on towards the self-proclaimed ISIS ‘capital’ of Raqqa and Russia sends robots and engineers in to help de-mine Palmyra, what will Cameron and Obama be doing? They’ll be scrambling for new talking points — and to their relief, the same pundits who peddled lies about this war for years will no doubt come to their aid and continue to obscure basic facts. But as the latest victory shows, it will become harder and harder to convince the masses when the truth becomes plainer and plainer to see.
Fortunately however, there are some who aren’t as afraid to give credit where it is due. London Mayor Boris Johnson admitted that the Russians have “made the West look relatively ineffective; and so now is the time for us to make amends, and to play to our strengths”.
He went on: “If Putin’s troops have helped winkle the maniacs from Palmyra, then – it pains me to admit – that is very much to the credit of the Russians. It is alas very hard to claim that the success of the Assad forces is a result of any particular British or indeed western policy.”
Just like Iraq, when the veil of lies and deceit is finally lifted, the truth will be plain to see.”
This is what BBC had to say about it:
“This is a victory for President Bashar al-Assad, who wants to show the world that he is a partner in fighting terrorism…
…But residents and observers cast doubts on why Mr Assad’s forces pulled out from Palmyra in the first place, allowing Islamic State militants to get in to the city.
In May 2015, hundreds of IS fighters drove hundreds of kilometres across the desert to reach Palmyra, almost uninterrupted, while government forces were dropping barrel bombs over opposition areas full of civilians….”
.
.
And today, at UNESCO, Annie Sartre-Fauriat, who belongs to a group of “experts” on Syrian heritage set up by UNESCO in 2013 (!) said;
“Everyone is excited because Palmyra has been ‘liberated’, but we should not forget everything that has been destroyed…..As long as the Syrian army is there, I am not reassured,” said Sartre-Fauriat.
“We should not forget that the army occupied the site between 2012 and 2015 and caused a lot of destruction and pillaging……We should not kid ourselves. It’s not because Palmyra has been retaken from Daesh (ISIL) that the war is over. This was a political and media operation designed to win over public opinion for the regime of (Syrian President) Bashar al-Assad” she added…”