Dear friends,
I have to say that the reactions elicited by my posting my question yesterday far exceeded anything I had imagined. Sure, I expected exactly that, I very deliberately did even predict the nature/tone of many of these comments knowing that the hardcore COVID-dissidents either would not see it, or that they simply could not help themselves and would react exactly as I predicted. Still, the vociferous petulance of many of the comments truly exceeded even my wildest expectations and really made my day!
Next, 500 plus replies is huge, second, about 98% of them were clearly infuriated by my post. That, by itself, is quite fascinating and while this is hardly a scientific survey, it shows the “prevailing winds” in the “alternative” or non-MSM media (at least in Zone A). It also shows the level of intolerance the political discourse in Zone A has sunk to.
Also, I need to reassure (or disappoint, depending on your view point) everybody – the blog has not been taken over by Big Pharma, I have not been kidnapped, I am still me. Yes, for some of you this seems impossible, if not unthinkable, but yes, I actually do hold the kind of crimethinking opinions I have expressed in that post. Blame me for it all :-)
Next, I have to say that both the tone and the (overwhelmingly) infantile “argumentation” of the reactions have made my point better than I ever could have: the level of ideological fanaticism and intolerance of almost all of these infuriated comments would have many any totalitarian party youth organization very proud.
One thing was clearly misunderstood by a vast majority of commentators: when I mentioned Putin, I did not mention him alone. I mentioned him and contrasted him with Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel. The point was not to refer to an appeal to authority, but an appeal to DIVERSITY (the real thing, not the woke/home/BLM/antifa/Covid-dissident version of diversity, of course).
So, especially for the alternatively gifted, let me clarify this with a visual aid:
| National leader | political philosophy | spiritual/cultural roots | personal background |
| Putin | sovereignism | Orthodox Christianity | PGU KGB SSSR |
| Xi | Marxism | Confucianism | CCP |
| Khamenei | Islamic socialism | Shia Islam | clergyman |
| Maduro | modern socialism | Marxism/Christianity | unions |
| Arce/Morales | indigenous Marxism | native spirituality | unions |
| Diaz-Canel | Marxism | Marxism | CuCP |
Okay, these are quick, tentative, categorizations. They are all very debatable and please don’t hold me accountable for using them (make your own table with your own choice of labels if you want). I just use them to make a point: Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel are all very different people, ruling over very different societies and very different backgrounds. I would also add that most of these leaders have proven their courage and their determination to resist the AngloZionist Empire with everything they, and their countries, have. You can dislike these leaders, you can even distrust them, but you cannot say that they are all identical or that they are cowards.
Calling them members of a single conspiracy without providing any unifying explanation is simply logically unsustainable (whether you understand that or not makes no difference).
Thus, my question, which almost nobody bothered to reply to yesterday, still stands: if all these very different leaders hold the exact same position, how do we go about explaining that?
There is something else which struck me while reading the comments yesterday: COVID-denialism is almost exclusively a Zone A thing. Oh sure, there are COVID-deniers/dissidents in Zone B too (Putin has complained about what he sees as a very lax attitude of many Russians towards this pandemic), after all, the western/imperial MSM does very much penetrate these societies, but this is a minority and a much less vociferous one.
By the way, minorities are typically vociferous in an inverse relationship to their influence on society: the smaller the minority, the louder it has to scream to be noticed. You can tell almost anybody that the world is round, and that won’t elicit much of a reaction, but tell that to a flat-earther and you will immediately get in ear-full. Ditto if you ask a woke-person what the evidence is for racial equality (whatever that means).
Still, since yesterday’s open thread with a suspension of moderation elicited so many replies that I will also suspend moderation today. However, this will be the last time, so make good use of it: ad hominems, insults, “divorce letters”, threats to stop donating, declaration about me being kidnapped, etc. – they are all welcome today too, so use it while you can. Come Monday and this blog will return to the evil “censorship” and “gate-keeping” it is so famous for :-)
Last, but sure not least: the unmoderated open thread yesterday showed better than any argument that we absolutely and desperately need moderators. To each his own, of course, but the low intellectual level, the pompous arrogance, the sheer crass ignorance of some (many!) comments yesterday show beyond doubt what a unmoderated comments section invariably turns into. Frankly, if one day I cannot find moderators, I will do what PCR did and simply close down the comments section. I do believe that our comments section is one of the best on the Internet and that is *solely* thanks to the moderators! Guys – I thank you all for your superb and crucial help!!
Okay, that’s it on my end for now. I might drop by later if something interesting happens.
And now, let the stoning resume :-)
Hugs and cheers
The Saker
I’m going to limit my observations to the way this question is worded. Humor me on this point. It’s significant.
First off though let me say I have immense respect for your geo-political analysis.
Now to this question you posed.
You very obviously have a position on the subject, and I wonder if any amount of discussion could sway you from that position. And you framed your question as almost a challenge to for anyone to dare attempt to move you from a position. “How can you explain THIS!”
And to show how strongly you identify with your position, you called out those “COVID-dissidents” and “Anti-vaxxers” to answer your question!
So you begin this question by tossing out two charged pejoratives. Wow.
That would be like an Anglo-Zionist, neo-con member of the Council of Foreign Relations writing an article calling out the Russia-Boot-Lickering and Putin-Loving members of The Saker Community to explain why they are such seditious turn-coats and haters of Western Democracy and Freedom in a rules-base international order!
That sounds ludicrous right. But it sounds a lot like how you framed your question. There is no room for actually dialogue. People need to be “with ya or against ya” as George Dubya would have blurted.
I’m not putting as much as my little toe in that poison pool swimming with piranha.
Really – this entire subject needs to be explored rationally, but there is no rationality – on either side. So it can’t be explored.
Good question regarding the cohesion of thoughts and actions by these disparate leaders. But in this extremely charged environment I can’t (won’t) offer an opinion. Well, other than to posit that I don’t think anyone is looking at the middle ground. And nobody is looking for rational dialogue either. Other than that?
Love ya man!
A Pathologist speaks
https://rumble.com/viwq25-the-truth-about-covid-19-lockdowns-and-mrna-vaccines-steve-deace-show.html
This is a short message to “Peter from Oz” below.
Many thanks for your insightful 4 part commentary. I have been a keen follower of Covid and have gleaned my info from non-MSM sources. Many of the facts you present I knew, some I did not, but the way you put it all together makes certain things clearer, in my mind in any case. I will copy some of it to my collection of Covid notes.
I also like the way you present in part 4 what you think is the overarching objective the Covid project, and finally, I like the way you address yourself to The Saker. I posted a comment addressing him directly too, and, although I do not lack respect in what I wrote, I make it clear that I do not think much of his stance on Covid, not because I do not want to read a different opinion, but because there is so much clear evidence of inconsistencies and lies that I cannot respect his views considering his exposure of inconsistencies and lies where the U.S. and its “allies” are concerned. Having said that, I can and should learn from you and be more diplomatic in my address.
Anyway, many thanks for your very useful contribution.
It certisnly looks like The Saker has taken the vax and that his mental/emotional “faculties” have been adversely affected as a result… a common complaint of the vaxxxerati.
I therefore urge everyone, to take this in consideration and cut the Saker some slack… as undeserving as his histrionics would otherwise merit.
Thank You!
Hello,
Initially I didn’t think about posting a message; but as it seems there hasn’t been yet one with my reasons (and I don’t thinjk I am *that* special either, there sould be some other people in my case); here it is.
Two preliminary things :
* I haven’t read everything yet, so I apologize if I am just duplicating something in a post I have missed
* I don’t identify as “anti-vaccine”, just as someone “currently in waiting”.
Also, I currently live in “Zone A” (my stance would be quite different were I in “Zone B”);
But I also lived and had strong contacts with “Zone B” (that makes me much more immune to totalitarian propaganda omnipresent on the “Zone A”).
A. So, about the first question (existence or not of a pandemic) :
I indeed believe there is a widespread and contagious disease (aka, a “pandemic”).
I believe that, not because what media and authorities in “Zone A” tell (I know they lie almost every time), but _precisely_ because that is also told by people I respect and trust, like the various leaders of respected “Zone B” countries the Saker has listed.
However, while a serious medical mater, I think it is not an “end of the Times” or “biblical plague”.
(I also note that the “Zone B” leaders the Saker cites, while they talk about covid19 seriously, they never (or at least I missed that) go to the hysteria levels we see in “Zone A”; they don’t put it as their central and almos exclusive policy either.
From my personal experience (and I admit, litmited, but reliable as it is not mediated); I don’t know anyone from my direct personal relations cercle that died of of covid.
I do know from my 1st ring relationship (that is, direct relatives of someone that is direct relative to me, but that I don’t know other than by name) one person that died from covid19 (and another one that died from a widespread flu on the 1960s)
So, in my personal experience, it doesn’t seem that the disease is _that_ dangerous.
I do know several people that got ill, some of them quite strongly (needind several weeks to restore their health at their previous levels); a litte less than a dozen on my direct relationships; some of them very close (see later).
So; I don’t deny there is a serious disease around (it usure has a more direct impact around me that previous similar flu epidemias).
But not only I see it is not an “end of Times” thing, I also see that, in “Zone A” at least, it is not that much bad not thanks to authorities actions, but IN SPITE OF authorities (NON-)actions.
B. what I see about the official actions
(that is a crucial thing to explain my position, see later)
I see a very different approach in “Zone A” and in “Zone B”.
For starters, where I live, the whole thing has been completely politized.
For example, we are told that there is a very serious medical problem, that vaccines are crucial; yet when there is not enough vaccines, vaccines from “political enemies” are refused and badmouthed… what I understand is clear : those making decisions HAVE NOT the public health as 1st objective, but petty political objectives 1st, and public health sencond, or even lter on in the list of priorities.
I can contrast that with a Latin American county I know; there the responsability for the actions agains the disease has been given not to politicians, but to medical authorities.
For example, there has never been a nationwide blanket lockdown imposition; only localized ones where focus where detected; those lockdowns where very strongly monitored, with extensive tests, ill people taken to hospitals for treatment; and when extensive tests showed no more infected people on the area, the restrictions were lifted.
In my “Zone A” place of living; lockdown was imposed nationwide; but I never during the long lockdown any test being done, I didn’t saw any medic at all! Not also that, but the lockdown wasn’t very serious at that either…
In China for example, a quarantined zone was actually quarantined, nobody could go in nor out; and special teams, with strong antiepidemic protections, were delivering the needed items (food, etc) to the quarantined people.
In my “Zone A”, where quarantines were decided by politicians, only the suarantine was decided, then people left at their own… as you still need to eat, you hgo out to the grocer, supermarket, etc. so, actually there wasn’t any real quarantine at all! And I wonder which criteria was used to end it, as, again, not only myself, but absolutely nobody in my direct, 1st nor 2nd circle of relationships ever had met any sistemic testing.
Actually it felt like “magic thinking” rather than a medical decision; just telling people to kept at home, and hoping that the problem will vanish by itself.
The wearing of masks is another “magical thinking” thing.
I agree masks can be very useful to prevent diseases; but for that it is important to explain how and when to wear them, what they do exactly, etc.
Nothing of that on my “Zone A” place; a lot of money has been spent on putting “mandatory masks” panels everywhere; but no education at all has been done. It looks to me more a kind of social uniformisation than anything.
I even saw completely absurd behaviors, like a woman that didn’t wear a mask when being with family, then putting the mask to enter, alone, her own car!
Talking about social consequences; the consequences are absolutely disastrous.
The social fabric has been completely smashed; all social traditions and rituals have been destroyed almost everywhere.
So,
* I saw (and still see) a completely incorrect handling of the problem
* I see that, despite that, the problem is not excessively deadly
* I see that the consequences of the (bad) handling of the problem are very bad
My stance on that is that I’m convinced that it would have been better to not have any handling and restrictions at all, that having the incorrect ones, social destruction, AND STILL NO HOPE IN SIGHT of an end of the pandemic!
Humans can support a lot of suffering and restrictions, but only if there is a reason for that.
China had very harsh restrictions; but also a clear goal, a clear hope to attein; they all bond together and went trough.
There is no bonding and no hope on “Zone A”;…
C. about the vaccine
I am not “anti-vaccine” per se; I am vaccinated against several diseases.
However, in this particular case :
– as explained in point B. I don’t have any trust on the “Zone A” authorities.
– experimental RNA-modifiying things are an absolute no-go for me (particularly taking into account that the pandemic has not a mortality rate justifying extreme measures, and that classical vaccines do exist)
Then, there is, again, my direct personal experience.
It seems that the disease is less infectious with people of the O-group of blood.
That should be true, because I have never been infected, despite being in very close contact with several people that did get infected (some of them strongly ill).
But if that is the case, why isn’t it taken into account and communicated about ?
If I am quite clearly not a primary risk target, why I m not put at the end of the vaccination list ?
It looks that that that the vaccination list has been set up at random; again, without people’s health as the main incentive.
Then there are the risks of the vaccines.
You can read a lot, one thing and its opposite.
so again I will tell about my personal opinion.
I know of several people that got ill and some even died, after getting the vaccine. Is there a direct relationship? I don’t know (what I know is that political and financial interests would make it impossible for any independent searching about that).
A very close friend died 8 days after the vaccine, of a heart malfunction; he was in good health.
A person on my 1st ring of relationships also died a week after being vaccinated.
A lot of people around me talked about being il, extremely eak, fainting, etc. after vaccination (in proportions far exceeding the bad effects of other vaccines those people had).
It seems that the higher risks, sometimes involving deaths, are related to blood problems.
I do have a genetic blood problem.
So; how is it that I am proposed a vaccine without taking that ito account ?
Particularly if you contrast that with the fact that it seems that I am quite low likely to get infected.
Add to that the fact that the eficacity ofg the vaccine is not clear
(to be fair I don’t know anybody that has been infected after being vaccinated).
If it is like the flu (as it should be, they are of the same family of viruses); the vaccine has less than a year validity, and each and every year you have a new vaccine…
In my case (low infection probability, possible important risk of hearth or blood consequences) I don’t see it worth it; at least not without a serious medical scrutiny to determine what would be better.
So, I am waiting for now;
it isn’t mandatory yet.
A bad scenario I could envision, is that it be made mandatory, with strong regulations against non-vaccinated people (or simply against people with a “politically incorrect” vaccine; the European Union plans to restrict the entry to people with russian or chinese vaccines);
then, after it becomes a requirement for normal day to day normal life; introduce payment for it;
effectively being an annual tax on your social life.
Would I’ve been living in a country were I could trust the authorities, in a country where medical authorities have people’s health at hearth, I could have hope and trust.
But not here and now.
Amazing reply. Same here, I do not know anyone who died from Covid.
Only a friend who knows someone who died.
Dear Saker, I agree with you. Zone A is beyond repair.
I wish we could hear from current doctors as to what treatments they are actually using for the virus…..and their various efficacies.
When something is taboo then it can hardly be trusted or at least taken with reserves.
Any treatment for sars cov 2 but a vaccine is a taboo, non discussing in the msm.
Any opinion about the whole covid thing that doesn’t align with narrative is taboo.
If any treatment for sars cov 2 is approved, than EUA for vaccines are out the window.
The prerequest for EUA for vaccines is that no other known, proven treatment for the same disease exist.
So basically before WHO had declared pandemic, pharmacomafia had already optioned for vaccines, making sure that guarantees are given no other approved treatment will ever see a daylight.
Anyway, I read Saker blog for years. Excellent articles and analysis one can read here.
Andrej “Saker” is quite informative person , quite tolerant about stuff on his blog. As many Russians that I know, he might as well be suffering from bit of a superiority complex.
The Saker. You must be old enough to remember the 1970ies “idea” of a neutron bomb that kills living bodies without damaging infrastructures. My “inspirational” instinct pushes me to find some “equivalence” to the Covid-19 being the biological neutron bomb of our times. And this sort of WW3 action can only be performed by the Anglo-Zionist crowd. First, to preserve some exchange value to their printed fortunes. Second, to suck dry the “others´” liquidities via vaccines & the “health care” industries which are under Judeo-Zionist control. Because you cannot get the big picture without taking into account the financial & monetary prisms of the events.
How many of these leaders acknowledge that “al Qaeda attack the USA on 9/11”?
I originally came to this site because it was a source of alternative information. Now I find that this place disdains alternate views just as much as the MSM. I must say, I was surprised. When the sites architect starts calling people who rightfully suspect any MSM narrative as worthy of scrutiny, infantile.
And here, the site owner actually calls those who are not blinded by the narrative, fools.
This place got “woke”. The mind is made up! If you criticize you are chastised, regardless of the “facts” presented.
Who could have predicted this?
You were consumed by fear, and you broke under the pressure, just as the leaders of those countries you mentioned, and now, to justify to yourself that you made an “informed” decision, you are adopting the mantle of “I know better than you” and that if I chose to acquiesce that we must do so too.
Freedom means nothing more than freedom of choice.
Why do you feel it necessary to deny mine.
Dear Saker,
I’ve been coming regularly to your website for the quality of its points of view and analyses, for which I am deeply grateful, and I will gladly continue to do so in the future.
However, you still do not seem to realize how abusive you are yourself when you address people in such binary terms as ‘covid dissidents’ or ‘antivaxxers’. Those terms are not exactly characteristic of the sense of nuance which pervades the production of your publication or website.
For one, to explain the near unanimity of reaction of the world leaders (with some notable exceptions though, such as Sweden, Belarus, Nicaragua, Florida etc. etc.) in their response towards covid, instead of the still valid (in spite of what you seem to express) notion of ‘conspiracy’, I would point to two basic aspects of politics.
The first is that (you seem to have noticed it yourself ;) the subject is a hot potato and potentially a real political career killer/terminator. A real terror threat for any political leader, whose career more often than not is the result of the consultancy of so many ‘advisors’ who are like the oracles of your political destiny you consult any time of the day.
And one common trait political leaders of all hues an levels of power (from DC to Iran to Wuhan to … you name it) share is the sheer terror of doing the wrong thing that will ruin their career. A corollary is for lesser political leaders to imitate those they consider their betters.
It takes a very particular cultural context, and much bravery, for any politician to dare go against the grain, and particularly so in the case of covid. And these are the exceptions on the world stage.
The second point is of course the fact that a politician will always try to use a crisis to get advantage from it in his personal career or the advancement of their or their political grouping’s views.
Those two factors only are so powerful that they dispense one even to evoke the argument of the ‘world conspiracy’. Even if many known institutions, think tanks and other lobbies’ agendas (most of them published or made very public, like that of Klaus Schwab’s WEF for instance) abound in arguments that they would gladly make use of the covid and the hysteria and potent fear it promotes to push for their own goals and ideals. Waving and disparaging such an argument as foolish is rather the sign of a shortness of view and much arrogance.
But I’ve got to come back to my first sentiment that using such disparaging and abusive terms as ‘antivaxxer’ and ‘covid dissident’ is not the better sign of a disposition to nuance and openness in the argument. It is even ‘ad hominem’ and the negation of any discussion taking place at all. A sign of refusal to discuss or make any concession.
It is taking sides from the start and refusing any further open discussion by dismissing at least half of the world’s population (judging by the level of ‘acceptance’, or is it ‘hesitancy’, towards the proposal of ‘the vaccine’ as a ‘final solution’, to quote the recorded words of a certain Bill Gates ;).
In fact, using such abusive terms towards your readership is part of the problem.
In conclusion, I consider you are very guilty for all the negative response you elicited in the first place.
Saker:
You’re making the wrong conclusion from the comments.
It’s like a joke I saw a while ago
“Survey: Do you like answering surveys?
A- Yes, I love them! — 98.2%
B- No, I toss them right away —1.8%”
I fully agree. Probably many people just want to believe COVID-19 is not dangerous, invented, just like a harmless cold, a conspiracy etc. because they have got used to being lied to by mainstream media. This has led to some kind of instinctive primitive contrarianism with which some people want to believe the opposite (or at least something very different) of what mass media write.
But obviously, with many of these subjects mainstream media spread lies and propaganda about, there are some governments that do not agree. Actually, much of the lies and propaganda are directed against them.
The idea that Iran, Russia, China, Cuba, and Venezuela are a part of a large conspiracy with which a harmless virus (if its existence is even acknowledged) is declared dangerous is very stupid.
I think the question of COVID-19 is very helpful for distinguishing two groups within alternative media: a) smart people who really see through propaganda, b) people who uncritically follow a total contrarian approach even in cases in which this does not make any sense. The latter group is just as dumb as people who blindly follow mainstream media. I think this is a pity because on some issue these people support similar things as I do, e.g. most are against the new cold war of Western countries against Russia and China. But when people are not able to think rationally and critically, this is a big problem. It leads them to support blatant nonsense along with important ideas, which also makes the support for the important ideas less effective because they are discredited easily.
btw if you have proven nothing else, you have demonstrated that the moderators are the jewels in your crown.
Absolutely hilarious.
Both this and yesterday’s article are so thin on facts, but so thick on ignored facts as well as ad hominems that I have to conclude the author is pulling readers’ legs.
Just skimming the first 50 comments on yesterday’s article, your stance was shredded several times with very good, concise argumentations on different aspects. Very telling that you responded to ZERO of those posts. (I only was missing any risk/reward mention, but maybe there was, lower down the thread.)
Happy trolling day to you!
Dear Saker,
Thank you for opening this small window of opportunity and temporarily removing restrictions on specific comments about COVID and vaccines. You made a specific statement that caught my attention:
I think those few short lines packed significant assumptions part of which I’d like to address. I cannot speak informatively and provide insider views about five of those six leaders and their respective socio-political systems and how they may have formulated their approaches with the questions of COVID and vaccines and what factors may have entered into their decision-making calculus. I would like to elaborate on one in particular though: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Islamic Republic of Iran.
If the information about COVID, SARS-CoV et al., and vaccines were all true or all false, things would have been so much simpler and easier to explain. What makes this matter extremely complicated is the fact that true information and false information have been so skillfully and craftily interwoven and entangled that by the time one teases apart various parts, one has lost the majority of the general public. So, the bloody battle has to be fought (and is being fought) among the health expert everywhere (including in Iran).
There is indeed valid, reliable, and disturbing evidence regarding SARS-CoV et al vaccines as well as various deleterious drugs that being used at an alarming rate and quantity on masses of people around the world. I do not doubt the Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the health experts around him are aware of those data and findings. I am certain the data and the information I access that ring alarm bells are accessible to his health experts and advisors, too. Furthermore, I have no doubt that the health experts that surround him are quite capable and astute in collecting, analyzing, and interpreting data and they, too, may be seeing worrying signs.
So, this is not about what we know. Neither is it about lying or being deceitful. It is about the realities on the ground, an assessment of what we can realistically and safely achieve with the least amount of social and political chaos, costs, and sense of insecurity in the public and among the populations. The quantity and quality of global disinformation, of powerful and well-resourced army of dis-informers who are, as we say, shamelessly “darideh,” –that is, those have no reservation in tearing apart any and all moral and ethical boundaries—are beyond any single country or leader to taken on single-handedly. So, it has come down to choosing one’s battle at this time and under these conditions.
Under the current circumstances, no world leader could socially and politically survive the barrage of well-coordinated and well-crafted media attacks should he take any clear stance to question the COVID, the pandemic, and the vaccines. It does not matter who it is: Ayatullah Khamenei or President Putin or President Xi Jinping or Trump or Johnson. Why? Because the majority of the populations around the world live in fear and the fear is fed at regular intervals in a non-desensitizing ‘waves’ and manners through media outlets. I do not know about Russia’s and China’s media and propaganda capabilities. But I do know that the Islamic Republic of Iran has difficulty keeping a single English-language TV news channel running seamlessly. No match for sure.
Last year, Ayatullah Khamenei expressed quite a legitimate and rightful concern about importing vaccines from the US or Britain. This is what he said,
This was not even about questioning COVID or vaccines. It was about untrustworthiness of specific manufacturers. What happened was this: one hundred ninety nine 24-hour Persian language TV channels, a whirlwind of poisonous social media channels spewed lies non-stop. The Iranian public’s peace of mind went on a rollercoaster ride for weeks with false dichotomies such as “health” verses “politics”, “vaccination” verses “no vaccinations”, “science” verses “ignorance”, and you name it. Internal mouthpieces ran with it.
So, what would be the wisest, most logical, and prudent steps for countries like the Islamic Republic of Iran and leaders like Ayatullah Khamenei to take? Should they dedicate enormous amounts of resources to counter the flood of propaganda to expose things and ward off fear and insecurity? Or, should they use the circumstance to further develop their health infrastructure? As I said, it is about choosing one’s battle while, of course, remaining alert. Iran chose the latter track.
I hope this comment offers an alternative explanation for some of what we see, at least as far as the Iranian experience is concerned. Thank you again, for providing the opportunity and the platform.
Is it the fear of death, that you are afraid of?
I can hardly believe it.
People die, everybody dies.
Some people die because they jump out of the window, after months of being locked down, without even having a balcony, their businesses destroyed.
Other people die of Covid, after a lifetime of eating prefabbed high tech food without any nutrients, minerals or vitamins.
The only thing that matters is the young people.
And they don’t die from Covid.
But they do get side effects from the vaccine.
Spike proteins accumulates in their testes and ovaries.
What will that be after their updates for Covid version 2.0 etc? ..
We don’t know yet, it’s an experiment.
Horrible people the scared fear mongers, urging us to vaccinate our children.
I have long puzzled over why there has been an almost universally similar reaction by international governments and organizations to the virus in question. The almost universal censoring of those who question the validity and reasonableness of those reactions raise serious red flags for me. When I look at the criteria for diagnosing influenza and compare it to the criteria for diagnosing for this new virus, it seems identical.
If the claims of vaccine efficacy and safety are borne out in the real world, there would be no reason to be hesitant about them. However, the real world results for vaccines since their inception still leaves me to prefer relying on my God given immune system which of course must be nourished properly to be effective. So…. my argument is with those who would deny me my choices….. those who would dictate that it is their way or the highway.
( I am a 77 year old white male of European descent )
Saker – a a firm believer in the Baba Yaga Virus of Mass Destruction. Not so bad for a respected political and military analyst. How your new-found religion squares witch Christianity you claim to be a defender of? Have you taken the holy sacrament/vaccine yet?
It’s quite simple – your attitude towards this pathetic scam gives away you true colours. You are simply a bad actor or not so great an analyst.
Szczęść Boże z Polski.
All good and right.
But maybe you have overlooked one important fact which could explain the near identical reaction of the cited leaders: the reliance on our mainstream view on science. This view treats science as a better cousin of ideology in that respect that it gives absolute truth if only the majority conforms to a hypothesis or a theory. But that ist not true – science is a process. The process of coming ever nearer to reality. Everything we are proud of our achivements in science came from the fringes and the first proponents were “strange fellows”.
But taking “science” that way is so engrained in our thinking and especially in the thinking of leaders. Because for them it is an elegant means to delegate responsibility to an anonym entity.
Looking that way I don’t find your argument much lese convincing.
When you take everything into account, in some respects Putin is correct. One of those is that the US and the western world doesn’t really want a war with Russia. It would result in the destruction of the world and every person in it, including the elite. So, that’s a distraction for us and a tool the western world is using to persuade the Russians and Chinese to fall into line behind the other nations.
And for us personally, it doesn’t really matter whether the virus exists or doesn’t exist. Or, whether it is very dangerous or not. We know some things for sure about the non-Sputnik vaccines that we can hang our hat on:
1. The government wants to force every one of us, except for maybe themselves, to take many doses of “vaccine”. No one knows how many boosters they will try to force upon us. These vaccines have already been shown literally thousands of times to be deadly for some of the unfortunate ones who take it, and to cause terrible physical damage to the bodies of others.
2. Many medical experts have spoken out against the vaccines and have already informed us that there are treatments available that will reduce the death toll caused by the virus by up to 86%. They are being censored as completely as possible by the governments. To the naive among us they are saying, “Take the vaccine or die of the virus.” To the rest of us they are saying, “Take the vaccine or live out the rest of your lives unemployed and unable to travel, shop, eat in restaurants and maybe even forbidden to leave your houses.”
3. The end all can not be the “taking of the vaccine and everyone being protected”. The lockdowns and shutting down of the economy and schools all over the world is something very significant. It’s the first time in history it’s ever been done. They would only do that if there was the promise of a gigantic payoff on the other side of everything that would more than compensate for what they are doing now. They LOVE money and have never shown themselves to care about their citizens before. Why would they change their spots now? Obviously they couldn’t and wouldn’t!
4. I too think that this is about population reduction. If not, then what would be the point in forcing us all to take a vaccine for a virus in which the survival rate is already about 98% or better? I feel that in about 9 to 12 months we will all know the truth of the matter. If nothing has changed and most of our friends and family members are still alive and healthy and having children, then we’ll know we were wrong to be suspicious.
5. On the other hand, if during that time very few vaccinated women get pregnant or are able to carry a baby to term, then we’ll know they are trying to control the number of births. Worse yet, if the vaccinated people around us start dropping like flies on a hot tin roof, we will know the plan is even more sinister than that. They are indeed trying to kill us all! That will be our “fight or flight” moment.
Stay alert.
Any chance we all can get together for lunch some time and meet each other face to face?
very good idea but I will not wear mask hopefully i will be alowed to attend
“Trolled-To post a deliberately erroneous or antagonistic message on a newsgroup or similar forum with the intention of eliciting a hostile or corrective response.”
So I guess we’re being trolled by the Saker. How can folks deal with this? Engaging in unproductive debates is useless. This is the Saker’s site so at first glance he is more empowered than us. At second glance not so. For example, folks can not donate, buy books, or view.
To not recognize the nuances of this situation is a huge mistake. To lump all the dissenters and skeptics into crude categories, not productive.
The Saker’s review of the opinions of Putin, Zi, etc are interesting, but we don’t have access to the same options. Ultimately, this particular type of thread is not increasing my awareness in the same way that Pepe’s articles, or the Grayzone site does. And some of the terms like “fanboy” are just both funny and sad.
We all have only so much time in this world, a lot of us are probably guilty of wasting too much of it. Folks have to decide where to use their finite time resources. All the best.
Signing off.
“To not recognize the nuances of this situation is a huge mistake.”
Well said. I don’t say this as an enemy of Saker, I’m not – why on earth I would be. But is it wise for Saker to listen only those trolls who just try to please him God knows why?
Exactly tobi999, do as you told or you are out, isolated and marked as the enemy to the world’s well-being- Even the US joined back very quickly, cause It can’t afford to loose all that leverage and otherwise someone else would fill that void – it’s not about our health, it’s always just about power & money and bla bla bla and it will end where it always ends – politics should better beware In choosing there country’s for the battleground
….the “Peter Principle”……in action……and as for knowingly…..willfully taking the vaccination….you may have just stepped in some dog shit…..time will tell…..
We are welcome to agree to disagree.
Meanwhile, what’s the other hand doin’?
I will always read the blog with regularity.
Thanks, Saker.
I am surprised this has not been discussed previously, should it have my apologies.
When someones behaviour appears so out of kilter to the ‘old normal’ one should ask a question.
Evidence: Read his responses.
Opinion: This is not the Saker
“You could stage an apocalyptic global pandemic that only happened in certain countries, or in certain parts of certain countries, and that more or less mirrored natural mortality, and that didn’t drastically increase historical death rates, but was nonetheless totally apocalyptic.
Perfectly healthy people could become “medical cases.” You could count anyone who died of anything as having died of your apocalyptic virus. You could tell people in no uncertain terms that medical-looking masks will not protect them from viruses, and then turn around and tell them that they will, and then, later, publicly admit you were lying in order to manipulate them, and then deny you ever said that, and tell them to wear masks.
You could experimentally “vaccinate” millions of people whose risk of becoming seriously ill or dying from your apocalyptic virus was minuscule or non-existent, and kill tens or hundreds of thousands in the process, and the people whose brains you had methodically broken would thank you for murdering their friends and neighbors, and then rush out to their local discount drugstore to experimentally “vaccinate” their own kids and post pictures of it on the Internet.
At that point, you wouldn’t really have to worry about “populist uprisings,” or “terrorism,” or any other type of insurgent activity, because the vast majority of the global population would be scramble-headed automatons who were totally incapable of independent thought, and who had no idea what was real and what wasn’t, so just repeated whatever new script you fed them like customer-service representatives on Haldol.”
https://anti-empire.com/the-war-on-reality-is-progressing-splendidly/
67 countries have now approved the use of the Sputnik V vaccine !
Dear Saker,
blessings to you and your family and thanks for keeping up both good reasoning and faith.
Zone A has a point. Example: See Dr. (PCR) Paul Craig Robert’s latest (link to) on the subject.
Thanks Saker. It was an important thread and I enjoyed much of what I read.. Yet since every comment is arbitrated by the administrator we have no clue what was actually contributed. Cheers.
I can assure that that only the vile and spam were not allowed to appear here. The spam you don’t want to see and the vile you (and I) do not want to see either. Go elsewhere for that.
it is even better – in this case, I even allowed the most vile comments.
These two threads have been completely unmoderated.
And the result is hardly ambiguous :-)
cheers
Contrary to your remarks, I did address why President Putin might have taken the position he has taken. I’ve known many politicians in my lifetime. Whenever any problem arises, the politician’s response is “We have to do something about this”. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the time the best response is to do nothing. The other common thing about politicians is that they never admit that they made a mistake. The only politician I’m aware of who admitted his mistakes was Mao. Mao publicly said that 70% of his decisions were good and 30% were not good.
All my working life I spent in the pharmaceutical industry, from research to plant manager. I’ve represented my company at WHO working meetings in Geneva. I assure you again that every drug or pharmaceutical product has side effects. Some are more serious than others. These vaccines were approved without the oversight normally given to pharmaceutical products. They are called vaccines because pharmaceutical companies have no liability for any harm resulting from a vaccine. Without repeating myself, I have first hand experience where doctors and the CDC have given erroneous advice and I gave examples. They are not infallible. My wife and I have not taken the jab and don’t plan to do so, unless forced to do so by the government against our will.
I am amazed that you take such a negative view of the comments. For the most part these people, including myself, consider you to be an intellectual friend who almost always gives accurate information. I firmly believe that history will prove that this covid business is the most overblown hoax of my lifetime. If history proves that you made a mistake on this one, I hope you have the fortitude to admit your mistake and move on. That will prove to me and your readers that you are not just another political type who never admits a mistake.
Reference my earlier comment as to Dr. PCR’s (link to) SEE Pseudopandemic at:
https://off-guardian/2021/06/29/pseudopandemic
Assalaamu alaykum. Dear Saker. I guess that the presidents see that a vaccine is the only solution to this pandemic.
I dont say that vaccines dont work.
But they certainly come with risks of dangerous side effects. So I cant see why you or the russian president (may God bless him) would like to play Russian roulette when this is virus has very low death rates.
You have the right to do that and to have that opinion of course.
But please, just ask yourself, when the Messiah (pbuh) returns, do you think he will get vaccinated?
The question of the unanimity of Putin, Morales, etc. is not as big an argument as you say: these are leaders of entire countries, and they could not possibly take the risk of being wrong about it, even if there is a remote possibility of the virus being as dangerous as we are very blatantly lead to believe. What they think as private individuals may be a very different thing. Now about the tone of voice: I have noticed a hardening of your tone recently, which coïncides more or less with the growing show off of your christian beliefs. Very typical of religious persons, in my experience by far more agressive in discussions than the doubters or the atheists. I might add that we generally do not care about your spiritual life nearly as much as your extreme competence in military and international affairs. Why insist, then? It has a little histrionic flavor… That said, when your emotional display turned to the COVID thing, my personal impression is that you insulted first, very plainly. Why? I don’t know, and don’t understand: too much is clearly unknown in this whole situation to begin taking strong positions and openly despising hundred of thousands people. You should apologize in order to restore your once very solid credibility.
So here, the Saker set himself up as the dart board. And the darts came flying. How dare anyone differ in opinion from the Industry that is developing around the Anti-Covid and new and improved Anti-Vax community? Yes, the industry! I’ll name names but oh the outrage if I should tumble one of the new industry self-proclaimed experts. There are a few good ones.
But this general discussion ended up in: “How dare you Saker, make your discussion around people that you trust, how dare you make and own your own litmus tests and your own method of analysis for yourself and your own? How dare you be resilient and not climb into the eight thousand twenty and a half youtube and other tube personalities that in terms of health, all say different things. How dare you turn your back on the hatred and vitriol in the new anti-Covid-anti-Vaxx industry. How dare you turn your back on our new dogma.”
And the blame-storming and virtue signaling started. He must be:
bought/scared/influenced/somebody paid you/ignorant/irrational/vaccinated/Papist/Jewish/ aargh, fill in the other blanks.
The reaction is so reflexive that they do not leave themselves any room for analysis or of reflection and thinking.
Storm!!!! He is thinking different from us, and we will, come hell or high water convince him to think just the same as us. Look at all this wizz bang information we have!
These new experts make me laugh. As kids we used to plat the long and supple branches of the weeping willow trees hanging over the river, and run and catch one and swing and drop into a deep sandy part of the river and swim out. These ones are the same .. they simply plat a new outrage and get some people to swing on that but some of them drown when they end up in the river and you never hear from them again. And all this is breathlessly reported as the new and improved truth and the new mostly uneducated but fast developing industry say Aaah! How wonderful! And the new fanatics gather in glee.
But in all this information presented, I did not see a Russian expert, I did not see a Cuban expert, I did not see an Iranian expert .. and so on.
This divide and conquer of the public conversation and sphere was evident all through this pandemic. (And yes, I call it a pandemic – not on mortality rates – on sick people rates. And those that are still saying it is just the oldies, please go and update yourselves). And you know what, I begged against this division from the early days over in the Cafe. “Please, let us find a way to talk together without having such hard and fast decisions in a very early part of this pandemic (like Covid does not exist and if you say it does, I will not speak to you any longer – you’re only a farmer, wtf do you know?, is one that I remember).” Nobody wanted to speak realistically, and they still don’t.
People love it to spread mortality rates, true or not – those people never know even how many people are ill. Mortality rates are lower now, because we have found ways to deal with Covid-19. Calling mortality rates now makes you just uninformed and unable to actually home in on the problem. If you mention to them that Russia is reporting today, over 25,000 daily COVID-19 cases, a new high since Jan. 2 and confirmed 663 COVID-19 deaths over the past day, they start arguing -first the testing and -how did they determine those deaths. They do not know that +- two months ago, Russia reported +- 3,000. They just reflectively start arguing with their newly minted diploma from the alternative media. (OK, not everyone, but the 80+ percent using Pareto principle).
Before you argue, make it your business to find out exactly how Russia reports and exactly how Russia tests and exactly how Russia calls a Covid death. There is not a tenth of the mess in the west and there are clear guidelines and nobody is trying to use the numbers for political purposes. Zone B is materially different from Zone A and a vaccine drive with a non mRNA vaccine does not make it the same. Go and find out exactly how the Russian vaccines are constituted (Cuban as well).
I don’t like vaccines, but I’ve never lived through a worldwide plague and I am open to dialogue or to even change my mind, depending on circumstances and on my own and my family’s risk level. And I am very wary of the person who urges an action in which he himself bears no risk.
When the Russian vaccine drive started, I made it my business to go and see what the Russians are saying. Well, the trolls calling Putin part of the new world order are much more worried about Russia and Putin than the Russians themselves. I searched and searched for the ‘outrage’ in the public conversation and found very little. Oh, there is grumbling of course. The last numbers that I saw are that only 4% of Russians are anti-vaccine to the extent that they refuse. (They are also not falling over dead from their vaccines!) It’s more the inconvenience, and the disruption of personal lives to make time for this – lots of jokes. But I did see the western meddling, and here I see it too.
This is the main message here, the fanaticism and zealotry. And most missed that. And did not miss a beat by wanting to impress on the Saker to ‘change his wicked thought crime’ and think exactly the same as they do. (There were a few decent comments, and the ZoneB nature of them shone through).
In the meantime, Putin and the others that the Saker mentioned, made their own pronouncements for their own countries. All of them I think now have their own vaccines and in the main developed and repurposed their own remedies and medicines. All of them have vaccines that are not a result of Fast and Furious or Warp Speed or some plan such as that, based on who could wiggle the most money out of the western governments, and rake in the most profit on a projected basis, to come up with some kind of untested thing that may turn out to be truly horrendous. I won’t take the mRNAs based on the fact that they are untested.
All of those that The Saker mentioned are first working towards being independent countries, independently coming to their conclusions. Their vaccines spell it out. Their vaccine information sheets actually have printing on them. No, the WHO makes no law and at least in Russia the decisions are made independent of the WHO while trying to work with the whole world in peace and possibly harmonization, but this still is a dream. The WHO has 25 Russian members, 50 Chinese members, and 4,000 members from NATO countries. So WHO is beating this drum exactly? Those that tell me that they are in cahoots must not be looking at geo-political realities clearly.
Those that say these countries are beholden to a greater power, the scary one-world government or something is just .. mmmm .. uneducated? Or is this a deliberate toss-out of meaningless trash, just to try and beat the other in an argument? Who can fight against this non-visible scary ghost? It is the stuff of kids’ stories. If countries are to a great extent sovereign, how can you tell me they have some invisible secret cabal that they belong to? Go take a look at the non-sovereign puppets for that. Can you not see that planetary social order is in change .. can you not see that globalists are too stupid to manage the dynamism of the global social order in a state of change? Can you not see that this implies a level of chaos? Can you not see that you cannot stop this change? Is this what makes you feel hopeless and makes you invent another enemy and another one?
Go and refuse the mRNAs for sure. Start agitating for some real vaccines or decide to not go that route and make sure you have your personal ways to manage this. Go and work in your countries to refuse the scarcity model being pushed down on Zone A. But if you want to pretend that anyone such as The Saker (it would be me as well) is not competent to call his own litmus tests, and make his own decision on his litmus tests, then you are clearly part of a major problem and belong to the new industry that is developing. The one who wants to own you and your thoughts, based on NONthinking compliance with the new industry based on something NON. At least it is 2 letters more than Q.
Amarynth: ” the Industry that is developing around the Anti-Covid and new and improved Anti-Vax community? Yes, the industry! I’ll name names”
” then you are clearly part of a major problem and belong to the new industry that is developing.”
I’m waiting.
Oh, here we go!
“The one who wants to own you and your thoughts, based on NON thinking compliance with the new industry based on something NON. At least it is 2 letters more than Q. ”
Whoa! I guess this is Amarynth’s effort at a wild ad-hom, to smear virtually all commenters here as adherents of an organization mention of whose name has been banned by The Saker. This is the *real* conspiracy!
Pathetic.
Trump is gone, remember ? . . .
I *thought* I detected a hint of CDS (covid derangement syndrome) in these threads!! (:-)
Katherine
It is clear that you want to continue with the hatchet job. You are free to do so, is my understanding.
If you cannot see the industry developing, I would suggest you go and take another look at who is making a fistful of bucks by being NON. (My terminology)
I have not been vaccinated and take Vit D, Vit C and Chaga Tea, non-contaminated foods, and nothing has changed for me. So, are you going to allow anyone else to have their own views, or are you going to continue with Woke Cancellation policies? Where is your Cuban, Russian, Iranian experts. Do you have any? Do you know what these people say?
Do we have your authority to make up our own minds, and document that? Or do you withhold that authority?
” So, are you going to allow anyone else to have their own views, or are you going to continue with Woke Cancellation policies?”
Whoa, girl! I don’t have any power to allow or disallow any views, here or anywhere else.
In fact, I cannot get my most anodyne views published in the local paper.
Lighten up, m’dear.
You are not making sense.
Katherine
Well, seemingly you understood very well what is at issue here. I’ll say what I want to say, Katherine, in these non-moderated threads. Usually, I have to behave myself.
I really do not understand what is “at issue” here.
As far as I can see you have been dragged into an unexpected s— show and are doing your best to defend your boss.
Katherine
I don’t get this anymore? Who is making a lot of money by being **non? And are we the(*****) dissident deplorables, in your opinion, continuing “with Woke Cancellation policies?” By trying to cancel vaccines?
Very creative thinking from your side, at least.
I understand that you are trying to defend da boss – nothing wrong in it, I respect loyalty – but possibly this is not the best way to do it.
You are trying to cancel those that do not have the same viewpoint as you. I am not defending the Saker. He can do that much better than what I can. And he can stand for his own words.
I am putting my own viewpoint here, although some of it differs from the Saker. My experience however is that we are allowed to differ and never have a different opinion made us hate one another as it happening here. And never has a different opinion made us want to cancel the other. It is called communication, and acceptance and open-mindedness, and adulthood.
I am a committed person. If you want loyalty, well you’ll do better with a lovely dog.
How dare you conflate my own opinion with that of The Saker! How Dare You! How far will you go in trying to support your own destruction. Do you really think I do not have a thought in my head? What a thorough insult. I did not need to say a word! But I guess it is par for the course for most of the discourse here. It truly is telling and I stand by every word I said. The supporters of NON and they don’t even see it.
The commenters here are not the ones doing any “canceling” of viewpoints.
Most have stated quite clearly that they have no intention or ability to change anyone’s point of view. Nevertheless they have offered their views, and a lot of very valuable solid information.
So, again, no idea where you are coming from with your “You are trying to cancel those that do not have the same viewpoint as you.”
Bonkers and bollocks.
It is, however, the fact that the host has set the tone for “insulting the audience” (a reference to Peter Handke—just to avoid further pointless aggrievedness ).
This is actually becoming quite fun.
Free-floating nastiness *can* be fun, as our host has indicated and thus permitted.
You keep taking the bait and so putting yourself in the line of fire with your dizzy commentary on comments.
Where does it all end and things suddenly get bloody???
Just as with the jabs, and as the Cheerios Kid used to say, “We’ll Soon. Find. Out . . . ” [offstage: scream]
Katherine
Well enjoy your free-floating nastiness. I usually bow out as that is not where I live.
“not where I live.
Oh, please, your comments are full of nastiness, some of which I called out above.
My last word to you.
Katherine
Take it easy. I’m not trying to conflate anything, BTW, sounds a bit like *****:)
I didn´t ask your loyalty, I’m sure you understand it. I have my loyalties and you have yours, it’s that simple.
About cancelling: it’s better to cancel vaccines than cancel humans.
Dear Saker, The common man never even heard of you ; which may indicate that supposedly intelligent people are readers of your website. Judging by your comments about their comments ; they must have had recent Brain Transplants ; since so many are responding to your analysis in such an infantile manner. The simple and obvious fact that the ” New” so called vaccines have not been subjected to careful animal trials { we don’t know if previous animal trials were conducted ; and any info about the results }; would lead any of your intelligent readers to hold off on using their own bodies in lieu of lab rats. You also neglected to illustrate the tragic increase in Mortality as a result of Covid 19 infections ; brought upon the people in the USA by comparing Annual mortality rates on an Average year to year comparison. Gee Whiz Saker…..No E’ffing Change in average Annual Death rates…….Same number of Dead. people…Just the deaths being attributed to Different Causes. I think you are beginning to be a bit carried away by the cleverness of your arguments. Have you been infected with Jesuitical or Jewish thinking ?. do you think the N95 mask and Pfizer Jab might have protected your past accurate critical thinking abilities ?.
Putin was mentioned so here is my contribution. As we know, or should know, the Sputnik V vaccine has been relentlessly attacked by US/EU Russophobes. Brazil under pressure by the US rejected the use of Sputnik V (since rescinded). The posted link below is a discussion by American virologists on the Brazilian objections which were debunked. The virologists are part of series organized by a guy from Columbia called This Week in Virology (TWiV) which has been going on for awhile.
Basically the Brazilians argued that the adenovirus carrying the virus DNA were active and replicating based on a gross misreading of a test data provided by the Russians. That was the main focus. But one of the virologists got a little heated saying the Russians are NOT incompetent idiots just look at their rocket program. Wow. Oh one of the objections by the Brazilians was that the Russians refused to allow inspection of all their facilities. Russians responded by saying that the Brazilians never asked to see all the facilities, and oh BTW, the Brazilians did do an inspection of the facilities which would produce the vaccine for Brazilian use. Amazing. BTW, these virologists all believe that the virus was NOT lab produced for bunches of technical reasons.
TWiV 751: Sputnik spat and furin in ferrets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MFHSHFCR54&t=2390s
Note the discussions can get very technical. I got the J&J vaccine but my preference would be Sputnik V given its rather stellar results out in the field. Don’t trust the mRNA vaccines as too many people I know got very sick from them.
have you heard the news! the dogs are dead! you better stay and do as your told! get out of the road if you want to grow old!
First of all, English is not my native language, so I apologize in advance for any mistakes I make.
Please, humor me with this scenario. You have a good time with some friends, say you play soccer. The most reputed science man, the expert of all experts, Nobel Prize winner and what else, comes to you and say: “You all seem fine, but without knowing, you all have been poisoned. In order for you to live, you must take this pill. Not only that, but president Putin and other six presidents, all patriots and with different background, all agreed with me.” So the first one takes the pill, he falls and instantly dies. The second one takes it, falls, dies. The same happens to all, say twenty. You are the last one.
What will you do? Will you say: “He is the expert, I am no expert, so I better listen to him”? Or will you say: “President Putin and the other six are all better informed than me and have no reason to lie to me, so of course I will take the pill”? I hope not. And why is that? Because no matter the expert, no matter the president, you saw with your own eyes, the same thing happening over and over, twenty times in a row. You don’t have to be an expert, only you are responsible for yourself, so you just use your common sense to infer what is next for you.
Probably I could give you twenty big, fat, irrefutable facts that show that this pandemic which is not a pandemic was planned and that the vaccines which are not vaccines are dangerous. Why? They told us. The great reset, in which the vaccines play an important part. Some previous replies pointed at many of those facts. And my guess is that you already know them. So I won’t bother. You know the old saying: Once is a happening, twice is a coincidence, thrice is a plan. So if thrice is a plan, for dozens of facts, what else can it be?
I don’t know why I wrote this, I guess it is futile.
I have a simpler explanation for the shitstorm, The Saker *IS INDEED* dogmatic and messianic and he happened to fall randomly on a silly position from which he won’t escape.
:-D
Wow! When The Saker has a meltdown he behaves like the most conceited and rude child on the planet. I doubt he will ever live this down.
Not only “the West” can self-destruct.
“Your comment has been submitted to moderation!”
BWAHAHA
Wasn’t moderation spozed to be disabled?
Do you know the difference between disabled or suspended. Did you really think this site would make needless technical changes? Awe man … did you really think that every spam has no need for moderation? All comments are allowed here. But there is some utter junk that still needs moderation.
mike another 60 more whitetrash will hit the target of 1,000 stupid post
cmon you can do it!
you can make putin regret he become president!
cmon you can do it amerika!
Zone B types just need to get with the “Saker Fully Experimental Vaccination Promotion Program,” man.
“Sudden death is not common between the ages for 40-60. Even less common in African premiers. So why then did 4 of them die suddenly within 6 months of being anti vaxx and anti PCR?”
These dang African schvartze should have just taken the money from the IMF and gotten on board with the Saker’s goddamn program? Don’t they know what happens to Zone B types who play refusenik? I mean, the Saker don;t need no stinking science, man. He is way, way past science. PCR is golden, man. mRNA is likewise golden. Great Rest is golden. Billy G, golden. The Lord God Fauci, golden. WHO, golden. Don’t these people know that post-infection immunity is just a myth? Fucking troglodytes.
One explanation for your assertion that these world leaders that are so different in many ways yet agree on the COVID narrative is that they are all controlled by some evil cult. Perhaps the cult is alien. They could exist in different wavelengths on the electro-magnetic spectrum. We can only perceive less than 0.05% of the electromagnetic spectrum with our 5 senses. They used to manipulate humanity through the religions and wars, but now they have technology as their tool. China is their blueprint to control humanity, total surveillance and total control. The move to one-world government is apparent.
They have been weakening us with the poisons in our water, food, environment, and vaccinations which have increased many fold after Congress granted big pharma immunity for any side effects from vaccinations. That has increased their profits from vaccinations and increased their profits even more from the drugs that they sell to treat the illnesses caused by the vaccinations. They have been weakening us through radiation from nuclear tests and Wi-Fi. 5G radiation is not just more powerful but it is qualitatively different in that its has smaller wavelengths and has not been tested for health effects. The testing has also been opposed by governments.
They have achieved control by hooking us into the smart grid, especially with cell phones. The next step is injecting nanobots (like smart dust) into our body-minds which will connect every human mind to their hive mind. This also explains the move to cancel gender to prepare us for procreation to be only allowed in laboratories where they will manage our DNA. They do not believe in borders and can infect us with diseases and dangerous drugs like Fentanyl to further weaken us.
Aldous Huxley knew this cult in the 1930s and that enabled him to predict many of these things. He said that medicine will become so effective that everyone will be sick. Orwell knew this cult in the 1940s and was able to predict their agenda of today.
Ever seen that video of a 5G tower being attacked by birds angry at something emanating from it that they rip the wires and attack it mercilessly?
Ever seen that video of a tree next to a 5G light pole which facing the light has lost all of its leaves and bark?
If nature is suffering like this how long before?
Someone’s lost the plot, not because of having a vaccination, why shouldn’t they, but because of fatuous mockery and laughing arrogance towards their commentators.. Don’t try to twist this, no intelligent person will believe you.
The whole exercise has however, released a tremendous amount of tension that’s been in the air for a long time..
Dag, I missed all the action. Am on this site regularly , don’t post comments, what would it matter anyway. It’ll take me days just to go thru the comments. Very interesting reading. I’ve always found the Saker to be sound, reasonable analysis. Now I wonder what the hell I’m doing here. What kind of an exercise is this? A total waste of time intent on alienating people? Impugning beliefs based on logic, real science devoted to helping humanity over profit driven motives? Censorship against brilliant minds, all of them, while Gates from Hell, Fauci et al given top billing? See, here’s the thing. When you don’t know what to do, when you’re pulled in different directions, do nothing. There is safety in that.
Hi to the many other readers and commentors , Thanks for the many insightful informative and sensible comments.. and perspectives and views to consider.. i have been a regular reader and comentator here myself for at lest 5 yrs likely longer. and have left many comments sometimes under others but nearly all of them are never published or printed. nor is there any reasoning given . i concluded that the site has for sometime been taken over , and regarded that ‘the saker’ a bit like Tyler Durden as just a title for many different authors to stand behind..but now i am not so sure.. and leaning back to my origional asumption ..of an individual..(maybe even a teenage girl?) but the current one .. defintaly not the same one as several years ago.. ?? anyway i was taking the oppotunity to thank many of you your thoughtful efforts and veiws expressed. i still come and read comments on many articles .,. but dont bother engaging 9savew my self the annoynace of not having them printed. so thanks Saker whoever you are.. for that oppotunity at lest.
I’m surprised by your position Sakerand the manner in which you expressed it. Have you conversed with Catherine Austin-Fitts on the subject?
The Saker sucks, he believes that China is the best thing since sliced bread, when it was the West who created the present day China by allowing China into the Western markets. The West didn’t have to trade with China, it was a conscious decision to support a Communist country, whereas the West was completely against Communist Russia (USSR), and the West is now completely against the non-Communist Russia, and is still trading with Communist China like there is no tomorrow. The West doesn’t do anything for nothing.
He believes the Whites in South Africa are innocent angels being genocided, when they now in 2021 still own 70% of the land in South Africa. Blacks are just naturally violent, go to any city center in the US at night, but preferably Chicago, to find out exactly how violent. Blacks kill much more Blacks than Whites. Whites are scarce on the hit list actually. During Apartheid the police only protected the Whites, now the police protect no-one.
The Saker does not believe that any progress has been made with regards to nukes since WW2. So mini-nukes with variable yields and variable radioactive fallout don’t exist.
But with regards to the covid vaccines I agree with the Saker. But only when it comes to the Russian vaccines, all the rest of the vaccines are nonsense. I would get the Sputnik vaccine if I could.
I hope with all my heart that anyone who claims to be Christian does not fear death. In my own personal life during this covid outbreak I have seen so many so called Christians afraid of dying so therefore the reason they took the jab.
Hebrews 2:14-18 forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
I have always heard and believe: Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. It is true that the leaders given above lead from vastly different perspectives and backgrounds. Regardless, NONE of them are above corruption. ALL leaders should be viewed with a skeptical eye.
As far as the virus is concerned, it appears to be real or at least it is a some kind of mild virus with attachments of a protein that damages human organs. The Salk Institute has done experiments using viral shells with the spike proteins and they alone produce damages to human organs so there is definitely something real going on.
I am not familiar with the detailed actions, recommendations or mandates related to the virus of any of the leaders mentioned in the chart above but here in the US, from the start, it has been clear that there are agenda’s by public health and government which are not beneficial for citizens from offering us faulty tests that report false positives, making modifications for completing death certificates which increase death counts, and suppression and censorship of any information or science that does not comport with the official narrative. Consequently, the government authorities are destroying their credibility and public health organizations’ credibility and possibly the credibility of the entire medical industrial complex.
Given these grave consequences for the actions being taken it is not a radical assumption to view all of this as some kind of attack on us. Having great confidence in human beings, I have to believe if this thing was a real and terrible threat to all of our lives, we would be begging for vaccines, staying at home without being told to do so and would not need all the coersion going on here now.
Having great confidence in human beings, I have to believe if this thing was a real and terrible threat to all of our lives, we would be begging for vaccines, staying at home without being told to do so and would not need all the coersion going on here now
Exactly! That’s always been my threshold as well. I kept (and keep) waiting for the proverbial STHTF around me, but it never has. And that’s completely contradicted all the fear mongering news reports that constantly insist “yes it has!” I’ve noticed a distinct tone of “this is all theater,” even from the mask wearers I encounter. We’re allowed to shut the door in our offices at work and work mask free alone, but what do I find? Large groups of people in said offices all carrying on quite normally mask free. The stupidity in all this is simply incomprehensible. Once the lying and hype started, I quit paying attention to any of it. Quite frankly, I’d rather catch it and die than be subjected to this nonsense.
It’s surprising how little tolerance there is for those who question tue dominant narrative, yes? After all, all the same world leaders the Saker lists, down to a man, agree that 9/11 was ABSOLUTELY NOT an inside job. I happen to agree with the Saker’s views regarding COVID. However I can fully sympathise with those who question the ‘narrative’ of the day. So what if a diverse group of world leaders agree on an issue. They have been collectively wrong more than once!
I’m not convinced that The Saker authored either of these pro-covid screeds… or any of the histrionic ad hominem attacks made on those commentors questioning the official narrative. Its so out of character… I smell an interloper… an interloper that made The Ssker “an offer he couldn’t refuse”
“‘The glitter of certitudes brings me to murder’ . . .I think that aphorism is very fitting whenever discussing the issues below.” – the Saker
“I am sure. . .that it was not a leaked bio-weapon.” – the Saker
Do you really not see the contradiction in criticizing and then expressing certainty?
The pandemic appears to have emerged in Wuhan, one of the few cities that’s also home to a virology laboratory staffed by coronavirus researchers. These researchers were experimenting with viral “gain-of-function” by systematically constructing novel chimeric coronaviruses while assessing their ability to infect human cells and genetically-modified human-ACE2-expressing (the spike protein binding site) mice. The pandemic coronavirus has a spike protein with enhanced affinity for that binding site.
Maybe that’s all just a coincidence, but how can you possibly claim to be SURE that it is?
“‘When you tell them that this is happening all over the world, they reply: “Right, country leaders have come into collusion.” Do they have any idea of what is happening in the world, of the contradictions that are plaguing today’s world, where all leaders allegedly upped and conspired with each other? It is all absolute rubbish.’ – [the Saker quoting Putin]
Now that I set the context, I have a simple question for all COVID-dissidents and anti-vaxxers:” – the Saker
Putin was specifically addressing pandemic denial and COVID-19 vaccine skepticism, not the lab-leak hypothesis.
It’s possible for a virus to escape from a lab, infect lots of people, and require a global vaccination campaign to bring it under control. There’s no logical contradiction here, Putin is not refuting this sequence of events (nor attempting to), and it’s neither pandemic-denial nor “anti-vax.”
The lab-leak hypothesis lacks evidence – that’s why it’s called “a hypothesis” – and may yet be falsified. There are other possible ways for a novel Coronavirus to emerge and spread, but one doesn’t have to be an anti-vax pandemic denier to consider the possibility of a lab leak and seek evidence to support or refute it.
You’re certain in your belief, but not everyone without you certitude belongs to a homogeneous group of “COVID-dissenters/anti-vaxxers”.
“‘The glitter of certitudes brings me to murder’ . . .I think that aphorism is very fitting whenever discussing the issues below.” – the Saker
“I am sure. . .that it was not a leaked bio-weapon.” – the Saker
Do you really not see the contradiction in criticizing and then expressing certainty?
Actually no. We all have our domains of expertise when our certitudes are backed up by decades of experience. So my “contradiction” is only a reflection of your rigid thinking. Sorry, The Saker
The pandemic appears to have emerged in Wuhan, one of the few cities that’s also home to a virology laboratory staffed by coronavirus researchers. These researchers were experimenting with “gain-of-function” by systematically constructing novel chimeric coronaviruses while assessing their ability to infect human cells and genetically-modified human-ACE2-expressing (the spike protein binding site) mice. The pandemic coronavirus has a spike protein with enhanced affinity for that binding site.
Maybe that’s all just a coincidence, but how can you possibly claim to be SURE that it is?
“‘When you tell them that this is happening all over the world, they reply: “Right, country leaders have come into collusion.” Do they have any idea of what is happening in the world, of the contradictions that are plaguing today’s world, where all leaders allegedly upped and conspired with each other? It is all absolute rubbish.’ – [the Saker quoting Putin]
Now that I set the context, I have a simple question for all COVID-dissidents and anti-vaxxers:” – the Saker
Putin was specifically addressing pandemic denial and COVID-19 vaccine skepticism, not the lab-leak hypothesis.
It’s possible for a virus to escape from a lab, infect lots of people, and require a global vaccination campaign to bring it under control. There’s no logical contradiction here, Putin is not refuting this sequence of events (nor attempting to), and it’s neither pandemic-denial nor “anti-vax.”
The lab-leak hypothesis lacks evidence – that’s why it’s called “a hypothesis” – and may yet be falsified. There are other possible ways for a novel Coronavirus to emerge and spread, but one doesn’t have to be an anti-vax pandemic denier to consider the possibility of a lab leak and seek evidence to support or refute it.
You’re certain in your belief, but not everyone without you certitude belongs to a homogeneous group of “COVID-dissenters/anti-vaxxers”.
“We all have our domains of expertise when our certitudes are backed up by decades of experience.” – The Saker.
You’ve explicitly acknowledged this is not within your “domains of expertise”, so that can not be the basis of your certainty.
“So my “contradiction” is only a reflection of your rigid thinking.” – The Saker.
Closing your mind to alternative explanations is rigid thinking; I’m trying to keeping mine open.
The only expertise I ever claimed was military analysis.
I proclaimed loud and clear, many times, that I have zero medical or biological expertise.
Not my fault if you don’t understand what I spell out.
Cheers
The Saker
Firstly Saker, you are wrong about ‘spiritual fratricide (this is the sin we commit every time we kill, either physically or spiritually a fellow human being)’ – you can NOT kill the spirit.
Secondly, where have you factored in the spiritual component to cv?
Thirdly, you appear to have taken the side of big pharma, Governments & the msm – all without doubt liars and promoters of a nwo, and as I have said previously, a satanic one.
Your title: ‘Question for COVID-dissidents and anti-vaxxers’ – is axiomatically flawed, in that, just because some people are anti-cv ‘vaccines’/vaccines, does not mean they are anti ALL vaccines. Clearly, instead of having a balanced debate, you have decided to use baiting words.
Also, using ‘“extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence“’ – is disingenuous in that, explaining some things is extraordinarily hard, and if someone doesn’t/can’t do it, doesn’t mean to say they are wrong.
If I may ask you Saker, have you been vaccinated, and if so, with which one?
Cary Mullis the inventor of PCR has said that you can’t and shouldn’t use it to diagnose,and the CT cycles were set way to high to have any diagnostic value.
It was initially as high as 42, and on the day of bidens inauguration went to 35, and more recently has been lowered to 28.
Robert Malone ,the inventor of mRNA vaccines has said that spike protein is cytotoxic ,and that the vaccine bioaccumulates very likely.
Approximately 95% of people who died in the US from “covid” had approximately 2.9 other comorbidities on average.
Explain event 201 ,to me? Just pure coincidence?
Why were china and Iran the ones initially hit?
Why in September of 2019 had the overnight discount window gone from 2 to 10%? , which hadn’t happened since 2008, and was a sign the economy was about to implode.
Very convenient that covid could be blamed rather than bankers like in 2008.
Why did a record number of fortune 500 CEOs quit at the end of 2019 and early 2020, just coincidence?
How come US allies like Israel said the US warned them about Covid in October 2019?
The lab leak bs is limited hangout.
Global elites are obsessed with eugenics.
Prince Philip talked frequently of wanting to come back as a virus that would wipe out half of humanity.
Gates family was on the board of planned Parenthood for decades.
BS environmental movement was invented by billionaires like Maurice Strong.
The book ” illiberal reformers ” by Princeton professor Thomas c Leonard, shows beyond a doubt how progressivism was started by dyed in the wool eugenicists.
https://www.amazon.com/Illiberal-Reformers-Eugenics-Economics-Progressive/dp/0691175861
I cannot stop reading The Saker. He/She is one of the best sites on the Web. I do admire intelligence when I read The Saker. Thank You.
Warning, you are in an abusive relationship (with your Government) when it:
1 Stops you seeing friends and family.
2 Won’t let you go out without permission.
3 Tells you what to wear.
4 Monitors your phone/wants to put a tracking app on it.
5 Controls your finances or won’t let you work.
6 Controls what you watch or read – deletes views/opinions (by proxys) different to the official narrative (lies).
7 Punishes you for breaking the rules; keeps changing the rules, even if it contradicts what it ordered before/deliberately confuses you.
8 Tells you it’s for your own good, and that they know better.
9 Does not allow you to question what they say, criticises you when you do, even calling you unhinged, deranged, a conspiracy theorist etc.
10 Tries to shame you for your actions.
11 Dismisses your opinion.
12 Blames you when things go wrong – even though it’s the govt actions which are the cause of this.
masks stopped flu but not covid.
Can un-vaccinated people infect vaccinated people?
YES – that means vaccines do not work.
NO – then leave the anti-vaxxers alone!
Why is the brit govt SO QUIET on those who NOW have NATURAL IMMUNITY, checking for that and then stating they don’t need the ‘vaccine’?
A genuine pandemic doesn’t require 24/7 advertising to remind you it exists, nor does it need marketing campaigns and endless propaganda BUT psychological operations do. A genuine pandemic would make you scared to leave your home, no warnings would be needed.
A vaccine so safe that we have to be threatened to take it, for a virus so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.
Stay at home, save lives – does that ALSO apply to those ILlegally coming across the Channel?
ALL of the vaccines DEFINITELY confers immunity, GUARANTEED…to PROSECUTION of pharma companies.
If the masks work, what’s the need for social distancing? If social distancing works, what’s the need for lockdowns? If lockdowns work, what’s the need for the vaccines? If the vaccines work, what’s the need for the masks?
And to answer your question, so what if all those leaders agree? What exactly does that prove? They are God? What exactly? Let them place the facts for their statements on the table for examination. If they can’t due to national security or some such, that is enough to discount them out of hand. To begin with, they are just being advised by experts and their experts are not the only experts. Their experts, if they so good as you claim, should dispatch with facts all the sceptical scientists and doctors who have come out with their analysis. Let them disapprove the scientists that are sceptical with scientific refutations.
Why did you censor the one before this one? Let pass and point out what is objectional about it. This what you do and claim it is insulting. I dare you to let it through
Hi Andre,
Since you have opened this post to those who were banned as I was for the sin of pointing out that your analysis has been wildly wrong at times (mostly said in defense of Alexander Mercouris), I thought it would be good to say hi, how are you?
We were once friends and I provided large sums of money to help your family through a difficult time. I suppose the blog is now generating a good cash flow for you. That is fine.
Regarding the Covid question. the true origins of the virus and the machinations behind the responses by various governments will not be understood for many years. So, back off on the sanctimonious and smug rejection of positions that do not comply with your own Time will sort out the right from the wrong.
Take some advise from a former friend: be mindful of your ego and your pride