Translated by Sasha and subtitled by Leo.
Note for video: If the subtitles are off compared to the text below, it’s because YouTube has changed their captioning system and it is a worse update than usual. This time it doesn’t allow me to update the saves from the original translation file. Next time I will try a different method.
Apparently Azerbaijan’s war against Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh, which filled the news reels will have to make room now. The Kyrgyz who freed their ex-president Almazbek Atambayev from prison swept into the news agenda. Russia is observing the madness on the post-Soviet territory without interfering.
The member of the Union State, Belorussia remains the only republic of the former USSR where Moscow has drawn an unambiguous line of its interests. (Titlecard of previous video – Ruslan Ostashko: “TU-160 Drew the Borders of Belorussia.”) Let me remind you that its borders were circumnavigated by the Russian TU-160s. As for the other ex-brothers from the common Soviet home, our country lets them lose their minds at a pace chosen voluntarily by these ‘independents’. Some subscribers ask why neither of our channels have shown any of my personal material on Azero-Armenian war. Here’s my answer: in fact they have, only the video was not published on YouTube but in the Club of Experimental History which has a limited membership. Those who didn’t join never saw it. As for the open platforms, I prefer to refrain from commenting. The reason for it is more or less the same as the one brought forward by the sarcastic authors of a well-known patriotic Telegram channel.
Source – Telegram channel ‘Horde’: “For the past thirty years we have divorced quite alright, dear citizens of the post-Soviet states. The strengthening of all sorts of ties, agreements, and what not – all of that is there, but. You have insisted for all these thirty years that you are on your own. Behold the result: now the youngest Russians who could recall how they got drunk in Baku or Yerevan as students are well over fifty, including, by the way, hundreds of thousands of the dear Russians with surnames ending with ‘ian’ [Armenian] and ‘ev’ [Azeri]. You kept building your own, separate from the metropolis life. And finally you have built it. As a result your merry but in reality not merry at all showdowns, during which you began to kill each other by the hundreds, are your sovereign showdowns.”
It is exactly how it is. The Russian state of course takes an interest in all this madness as far as it concerns her security in the geopolitical sense, undertaking actions it deems necessary. But our civic society, whose interests I see myself a representative of, have grown tired of being interested in the ex-brothers who for thirty years have been applying the de-Russification policies and other aspects of independent nationalist awareness. This is why I can say with clear conscience I don’t care how many Azeris and Armenians will kill of each other. It is their sovereign right they tore away with their teeth, no matter what they squeal at us.
Source – Telegram channel ‘Horde’: “Come tell us what Russia will ‘lose’ if it doesn’t support your side. ‘Well OK,’ any person who is an atom in big Russia will say, but what exactly will we lose? Your constant complaints about the evil empire? Your wee tears about how you were persecuted by the tsars and the Soviet Union? Perhaps you support us in the international arena all the time? Did you at least recognise the Crimea? Ah, you vote for the Russian performers at the Eurovision contest. We deeply bow to the ground to you for that… You can count on the full moral support by the respective music establishment. Only don’t ask how many divisions Allegrova or Galkin, or Gotseriyev have. Russia stands for peace. And the Russians observe with a great humanitarian grief how two ancient peoples with unique cultures shed blood over a forester’s lodge. But we are strangers over there at your place.”
The same goes to the events in Kyrgyzstan. What do we care if one Central Asian bey will replace another with the help of the local basmachi? Both Atanbayev and Jeenbekov cooperated with Russia. Who else would they cooperate with? Who needs them except Russia by any standards? Any serious regional player will eat them up without choking. Because the Krygyz haven’t been able to put the life in their republic in order for thirty years of their independence. And instead of building the bright Western democracy standard, they turned back to the Middle Ages.
Well, let them. The main thing is to keep the Russian borders closed when the ‘Gastarbeiter’ crowds, escaping all this and barely understanding the Russian language, will try to force their way in here. The newest history of the post-Soviet republics clearly demonstrates who exactly brought civilization and higher culture there and what the so-called Russian and Soviet occupation, which they have been squealing about for thirty years, really was like. It was their only chance for a path into the civilized future. And by rushing to grab a full bosom of independence they blew that chance.
Source – Telegram channel ‘Horde’: “When thirty years ago they took as much independence as the alconaut Boris Nikolayevich [Yeltsin] was happy to spare, each of the former sister-republics dreamed of becoming something like Switzerland or Singapore, whom everybody likes and where everyone goes for a holiday to praise the national folklore, nature and embroidered shirts, where the rich people want to keep their money. But let’s say it honestly, the sister-republics have grown quite beastly since then, deprived of the ‘Prison of Nations’. They are just smart enough for making revolutions, intrigues and territorial claims against the neighbours. Our perimeter, deprived of the USSR, reverted to the Middle Ages wherein the Lithuanians squabble with the Belorussians, the Azerbaijanis with the Armenians, the Georgians with the Ossetians, the Kyrgyz with the Uzbeks. Freedom does not bring good to some peoples, dear friends.”
The wealthier and culturally richer Russia, where we live and work, becomes, the greater the contrast between our reality of the 21st century and the observed medieval madness that is raging on the post-Soviet territories will be. So I can only say to those citizens of the former USSR republics who don’t wish a dark fate for their children: learn the Russian language diligently as well as the Russian laws. All this will be useful to you when you try to register a patent or a limited stay permission in our country. We’ve had enough of your ancient unique culture’s whose representatives are merely able to slaughter their neighbours. I am only for hardcore Russification. Those who don’t want to want to Russify should stay in their Middle Ages, with all the consequences resulting from it.
Deeply insightful and practical analysis.
Russia will wait on the sidelines as the near abroad nations listen to siren songs of the US. and go through the throes and paroxysms of democratization that leads them into vassalage to the Hegemon.
They abandon Russian as their primary language. They flirt with NATO. They get their loans forgiven by Russia, and then take new loans, never forgiven, from China.
What should Russia do? As Ruslan suggests, tighten the borders. Allow in the educated or at least those fluent in Russian. And behind the scenes, work with the special services to mitigate any threats, be they drug smugglers, terrorists, foreign agents working to create chaos and regime change.
The timing of this article (thank you Sasha and Leo), fits in with the new laws/passport application system declared today:
https://tass.com/society/1211061
“The new law allows foreigners to obtain Russian citizenship via a simplified procedure, without a minimum residence time requirement, if they have adult able-bodied children with Russian passports – in contrast with previous edition that conditioned this option on disabled children only.
Besides, some restrictions on filing inquiries on application for Russian citizenship will be abolished for Russian-speaking foreigners.
Foreign citizens and people without citizenship, applying for Russian passport, will now be required do undergo dactyloscopy (fingerprint identification). This measure aims to increase Russia’s national security and prevent people involved in terrorism to infiltrate the Russian territory.”
“What should Russia do? As Ruslan suggests, tighten the borders. Allow in the educated or at least those fluent in Russian. And behind the scenes, work with the special services to mitigate any threats, be they drug smugglers, terrorists, foreign agents working to create chaos and regime change.”
Right on, Mr. Larchmonter. And I wish China would choose the same modus operandi with the slight change of Russian fluency to Chinese: let them vain wannabes slip into the hegemon’s bed as they wish, at their own risks and demises.
Both Russia and China are too contemptuous to scoop down to the hegemon’s level of morality, one of treacheries and deceits as tactics in achieving short-term goals. It’s much less stressful to just sit on the sideline and watch them wannabes being led to their own sorrows under the hegemon’s manipulation, and ultimately come to their own enlightenments of who in this world is indeed Lucifer’s lieutenant.
What’s happening in Caucasus and the Stan-lands are also happening in New Europe, the Middle East, South and Central Americas, entities surrounding South China Sea, and zombimized Taiwan. But matter not. They will have their moments of awakening, which is not too far off into the future at this point of global history.
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“They will have their moments of awakening . . .”
Indeed. Look at Hong Kong. One year of color revolution, paid for violence, destruction of the tourist business, crippling of retail businesses, and mindless destruction of property and serious injuries to cops and citizens and now, the worm has turned.
Many trouble makers (heroes in the US an UK) have left for Taiwan, Virginia and London.
Reforms will correct the real estate prices.
And calm will return. Lawbreakers will be punished.
Beijing patiently waited out the chaos and then using the Basic Law itself, wrote the one law that was missing for 23 years.
Belarus was another interesting case of Putin’s patience. He let Lukashenko dally and flirt with the West until he realized they had slipped a noose around his neck. Then, he had to ask the Kremlin for rescue. The Russians declared Belarus off limits to NATO, US and UK and all the lunatic neighbors (Ukraine, Poland, the Baltics). A few signs of Russian military and the crisis was ended.
Russia used the chaos the US paid for to convince Lukashenko and his oligarchs who don’t want integration with Russia that the Kremlin would not be able to save them if they were dead.
So patience and timing (and good Intel) are the tools China and Russia use.
The nations at risk all border Russia or China. The West will not “get” them. Just as the West did not get Crimea, and the US/UK did not get Hong Kong, and won’t get Taiwan, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia or Tibet.
The Belarus crisis was ended only because of President Aleksandr Lukashenko’s personal courage and popularity. Otherwise the colour revolution would have succeeded while the Greatest Geopolitical Grandmaster Genius The Universe Has Ever Seen was still showing “restraint”. Like Ukraine in 2014.
It was President Aleksandr Lukashenko’s doomed attemt to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds that got Belarus to exactly where it is today.
Larchmonter445
When communism fell in Eastern Europe, we had, as I call it, the post-communism syndrome. The people were overjoyed, thinking that they would, overnight, be getting a Western standard of living, as they understood it. What they got was liberal capitalism and social diversification, a new class system, although it should be pointed out that these diversification’s did not play out in the same manner in all East European countries.
When it comes to Russia, Boris Yeltsin was both a curse and a blessing for the country. He was a curse because he introduced liberal capitalism and a return to feudalism, where a minority benefited and the majority payed the price. During his reign Russia was looted of 100 billion dollars a year, leading to immense poverty, even starvation. This fact was a blessing for Russia, as it shocked the population into reality. The road was open for the arrival of Vladimir Putin. Any return to liberal policies became impossible, as people remembered all too well what happened under Yeltsin. Western support for liberals became pointless, even when false flags were used, like the latest comedy with Navalny. The bulk of the population did not respond to Western “initiatives”, understanding them all too well.
With the exception of Belarus, former Soviet republics chose the same path as Russia under Yeltsin. The results saw contrasts. The Western sponsored coup d’etat in Ukraine had some support in the country, basically from western parts, the former Galicia. It’s debatable if the majority in Ukraine supported the coup. What the majority in Ukraine did get was a repeat performance of what Russia got under Yeltsin. A new feudal mentality, with the country being run by modern robber barons called oligarchs. Now the bulk of the country regrets the coup from 2014. Too late I am afraid. The election of Zelensky was a desperate measure to have the situation improved. However, the oligarch controlled Zelensky will achieve nothing.
When it comes to Belarus, it is obvious that the West tried another Maidan in the country, the EU and NATO giving a repeat performance. Although it is true that Lukashenko saw some opposition to his Presidency, the bulk of the population did not turn against him, as it knows what happened in Russia under Yeltsin and what is currently happening in Ukraine. It would appear that the demonstrations are abating.
Now we come to the former Soviet republics situated south of Russia. They, too, experienced the post communist syndrome. However, as the article points out, their history and culture caught up with them, the clock being turned backwards to the period when they were outside the Russian empire and later on in the Soviet Union. And the result ? The Slavic republics of Ukraine and Belarus have a chance to recuperate and prosper due to historical and cultural similarities, the cultural similarities being almost identical to that of Russia. However, it’s debatable if non-Slavic republics can do the same thing. This also applies to the Baltic states, which have reduced themselves to banana republics, losing between 25 % and 33 % of their populations, and whose days are numbered. Russian foreign policy vis a vis all of these republics is perfect. Moscow knows where to concentrate it’s attention and where to stand back. It’s only a matter of time before Belarus rejoins Russia, with the bulk of Ukraine doing the same. As for the southern republics, Russia certainly does not need them. They will be free to enjoy their sovereign status.
does Russia offer an alternative plan for the Republics, one in which they may see their future positively?
or is it just loan forgiveness which is not small thing anyway…but if there was some plan for the development of the region…which in fact may be BRI…that would dim and preclude any attraction by the hegemon?
It depends on the Republic. Russia would normally not offer anything for non-Russians in these republics. Most can get along with the other regional powers.
In case of Armenia, however, Russia plays a role in restraining the genocidal policies of Turkey and Azerbaijan. These two are an existential threat to the Armenians. The only geographic area, where Armenians lived prior to 1915 (an area that stretched from the Baku on the Caspian Sea to the Adana on the Mediterranean Sea), the Russian controlled area is where they didn’t face genocide and currently live. Except for the modern Azerbaijan where about 500,000 Armenians were made refugees in late 1980-s.
My understanding is that about 800,000 to 1 million Azeris were made refugees.
Best would be a rewind of ALL the ethnic expulsions: Allowing the Azeri and Armenian refugees to return and for both communities to make a sincere mutual commitment to peaceful co-existence.
Without basic justice, the disaster never stops.
Only Israel benefits from mono-ethnic states in the region. There’s not even any Schadefreude to be found here, it’s just another damn tragedy. It’s time for the world to help end it: NATO, CSTO, anybody or any combination of statesmen.
“each of the former sister-republics dreamed of becoming something like Switzerland or Singapore”
They did become like Switzerland or Singapore: financial havens for drug business, organized crime and money laundering.
Only without the glitter and the social benefits they add in Switzerland and Singapore.
Interesting. I wonder if there are any sources in these Central-Asian republics who could document what the US (which is but the front shield of the Talmudic cabal) is doing. Given the experience of Ukraine, Georgia and now Bielorussia, it’s reasonable to assume that the cabal is not idle there too.
And probably in Russia as well. Under the well tested principle that money buys everything, including the soul.
Thanks Ruslan… However, we Anglo zionists are desperate for some “strategic & diplomatic!!” success greater than a UAE freighter docking in the new Chinese built Haifa container harbour (premature!! ). Ukraine dumped by EU but still rich with mercenaries as young Ukes are totally pissed off. Syria, even with intentionally lit forest fires hammering agric production, still getting the upper hand. Belyoruss another failure. Those Turkish spook experts!! from London & Langley with full TelAviv & Pasha Tomato backing, now eating humble pie, yet again in Baku & Armenia.
Krgystan.. more “nation building” perhaps imitating the Zimbabwe model.!! Still the sacred Anglo Zionist motto, CIA, “Chaos Is Absolute”, which also includes the home. front. Don’t forget a majority of Serb and Bulgarian citizens still trust and turn towards Russia. Finally in the 5 Eyes states incl. Tel Aviv, even the Plandemic & dysfunctional ‘lockdowns’ are breaking down & folks are Pissed OFF.. YouTube (Sphew TUBE) another joke.. any sign of the latest documentary “Sacrificing Liberty” blowing the lid off the unarmed USS Liberty naval vessel attack by Israel in June 1967.. Nope.. but checkout lbjthemasterofdeceit.com.
Mr. Ruslan, a few months ago Mr. Putin made a polite request for the “Allies” to open their archives as Russia has been doing for WW2. We AngloZionists are SO GUILTY of deceit & bullshit that the May-August 1914 archives covering start of WW1 are still locked up or partly destroyed/rewritten. That was 106 years ago!! Learn Russian, Chinese, Python languages.. excellent idea..
Thank you Ruslan and thank you Saker for having this translated. That is EXACTLY what I have been saying regarding post Soviet republics. Russia is frankly tired of them all and their deluded, selfish and treacherous behaviours. Deluded in the sense of trying to be totally independent, without any hope of being so, treacherous as in abandoning and destroying the old ties and then being used by Russia’s enemies. Now, as far as Russia is concerned they are well and truly on their own and one can only hope that life will eventually teach them a very hard lesson.
While many of the former Soviet republics have had their share of problems, Tajikistan would be an exception to the rule..
Their President of 26 years, Rahmon, just won re-election with 90.92% of the votes, with voter turnout at over 85%..
There was no display of citizen outrage at Rahmon’s 90.92%..
By bordering Afghanistan, and hosting a Russian military base, Tajikistan has long received Moscow’s quiet support by maintaining a secure and fairly stable presence in what could be a volatile region, with future provocations always a possibility..
Tajiks are not Turks. They should be offered Russian or Iranian citizenship in my opinion, depending on who feels how. Is it in the interest of the geopolitics of Russia with its position to the Pamir Basin, I will not enter. They are the children of the Tokarians/Sogdians who later went through the process of turkification. In my opinion it would be best to allow the Turkish ethnicities of Central Asia to form a single state of the Turkish people from the Seven Rivers through the Central Asian desert of Kazakhstan, through Kizilkum and Karakum all the way to the HinduKush and Khazars, modeled on the Mongol statehood. Neutral with good ties to both Russia and China. With the Russian consulates and the Russian language, with respect for Sufism and Siitism, as well as the less represented religions of Orthodoxy and Buddhism or Tangrism. I think that it is a huge mistake of Russia, as well as of Iran, to call Azeris – turkificated Medes – Turks, or Turkmen who are Saka children, children of Sogdiana and Margiana culture (land of Kush was divided from Persia on river Aras). The Turks have different anthropological bases. Hungarians and Finns do not call themselves Turks and belong to a similar people. History is not taught and therefore repeated, and those who should be one people kill each other at the expense of others. The Polovtsi or Kipchaks or Kumans are Scythians (skitati- is a sarbatian word for wandering) who were expelled from their territories and forced to wander by the incursion of the Turks and Mongols from eastern Siberia. Territories have been replaced, Russia got Eastern Siberia, and the Turks got Central Asia.
Turkey is a NATO member. Given its strategic location in straddling Europe and Asia Minor and being the chokepoint for the Black sea – theres no way NATO will surrender Turkey
What your proposing would turn all of Central Asia over to NATO – separating Iran from Russia and Russia from China and then there’s – the pipelines!
Worst of all it would throw a serious spanner into the works of The belt and Road Initiative, aka infrastructure investment which China hopes to use to export its products to Eurasian and ultimately European markets – and along the route *create markets for its products by buying those nations resources which it needs and thereby lifting the Central Asian republics out of poverty just as China did for approx. 850 million of its own people since the 1970s
Map: Members and observer member of the Turkish Council (Hungary not shown) https://www.turkkon.org/en/uye-ulkeler
…. What your proposing would turn all of Central Asia over to NATO – separating Iran from Russia and Russia from China and then there’s – the pipelines …….
The pipe from Turkmenistan to China was built with a hub in the part above Alma-Ata that can be fed by Russia’s third pipe. Russia gets the eastern and western shores of the Caspian Se and close it with Iran. It gets routes for gas built by the USSR. Control of Belt road initiative. It gets the opportunity to control the border with Pakistan by letting a “bigger federation”, which needs to clean up what have sown in Afghanistan. Otherwise, as the situation with India looks like, with Izrael support, with the banning of Chinese companies, the maps of British India could be returned. It is written to you that Russia must “maintain good relations” with the Turkish people like the Americans have in their neighborhood. If you do understand. NATO would not have access there if the Russia is a serious country. Especially after common USSR school of “personal policy”. If it suits the Russians to stay in the CSTO alliance, Russian bases remain, which prevents access not only to the Americans but also to the “eastern partners”. I don’t know how feasible that is for Russia today, however I would be careful with China. It’s all a matter of the Russian-Chinese agreement on the direction and way of Chinese expansion, which I did not want to enter. In any case, Russia can control the Hindu Kush border in one way or another. Furthermore, Turkey is a mixture of peoples, of which there are few real Turks. What does the situation look like in the environment in which Turkey finds itself (which is otherwise in my opinion being prepared by globalists), the question is if Anatolia remains. And under what name and conditions. So there is space for maneuver, only if there is enough wisdom. They don’t need us lay-people therefor. These are just coffe talks.
The Medes were a federation of Aryan tribes that was dissolved circa 500 BC. Mede is not a racial appellation, the correct term is Aryan, or Iranian. The Azeris are of mixed Turkish and Iranian race. The Iranian element is dominant in the Azeris, but they themselves do not like to be classified as Iranian. Their sense of Turkish pride is too strong, they are too Turkified. It is the same with all the clearly ethnic Greek people in Western Turkey who are militantly Turkish.
The Qashqai Turks in Southern and Central Iran are almost pure blooded Turks. They could easily pass as Chinese or Tibetan, in my opinion.
The Turkmen and Central Asians are not of Scythian stock, they are ethnic Turks and Mongols, very closely related to the Qashqai. Russians and Eastern Europeans are descended from Scythians and Sarmatians.
Tajik was a pejorative term that the Turks used to refer to the Iranians. The people of Tajikistan are a mixture of Iranians and Turks. The blondes are the Iranians, the dark-haired unibrows are the Turks.
The Nuristanis tucked away in the most inaccessible parts of Afghanistan, speaking an Indo-Iranian language, are another example of true ethnic Iranians. They are the closest thing to the ancient Scythians, the Saka, and their undeniably Eastern European look confirms this.
And what you see in modern Iran today is mostly the dominant genes of the Arabs.
Thank you for your view and facts. It is not exactly theme so I wont bother you, however, you are not quite correct about Tajiks. The Sarmatians are also called royal Scythians or those who live in one place, dont wander. Tajiks have a crown as insignia not by chance. One of their rulers was from the tribe Besi after Aleksanders death. Otherwise all that area over HinduKush mountains to Balcan-Arien mountains range is a land of Kushans. The same as over river Aras in Armenia. Please check archives from Sargon the great to midle ages. For Mede, check where their name comes from :). You are right about Kalash people. They are from the same stock as the Dardi in Pakistan. Even one of the four main tribes of the Pasthun people are of Sarbat origin and bear their name. You know where the Dardanelles are, otherwise the area of Kosovo is the old Dardanei area. Consider where the Aryan migrations to Iran and India came from and who brought the Vedas to those areas :). I am taking in to consideration how much time passed and what diferent influences roll over in that area. Genetics and archeology, customs etc are way to prove it. Cheers my friend
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Sounds like sensible….
to below comments so far…
heartwarming to read – about time a bit of disgust is shown for the ”eternal” complaints of the former USSR republics… I do not know much about the caucasian republics, but the near DK ones Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia… we have more common history… and they are all professional players of the victim card … no responsibility for their own ‘fate’… forgotten are their own sins (especially Poland’s)…oh no lets forget history,,, the vogue thing in the West…
Thank you Ruslan for this, a no-holds barred account of how ex-Soviet Russians feel about their ex-Soviet neighbours; how people of 30 year old RF feel about peoples of RF’s 30 year old siblings. I’d suspected just as much; Russians are fed up with their batty attitudes towards RF, and rightly so.
And not just ethnic Russians. The remarkable Margarita Simonyan, RT’s ethnic Armenian but thoroughly Russian boss has also chimed in, accusing Pashinyan’s Armenia of being basically ungrateful and stating that they should not complain if ‘Russia spits in your face’.
Did you at least recognise the Crimea?
Ouch. Pashinyan’s and Aliyev’s nether regions must have felt that jibe the most, although Azerbaijan’s lack of support viz-a-viz Crimea could be mitigated by its possible impact on N-K’s status — the slippery pole sort of logic. Pashinyan has no defence.
At any rate, the situation is still dangerous for RF and we’ll have to see how it evolves although RF appears to have the situation well in hand.
Nato seems uncharacteristically quiet. Were the Europeans too busy bending down after dropping the soap that Nato were erm, caught with their pants down by this flare-up? Most likely (and not in the Skripal/Navalny sense of the phrase).
Let me remind you that it was Russians in the late 1980s who kept screaming “Russia cannot feed the republics!” Let me remind you that it was the Russians of Moscow who stopped the patriotic coup of 1991 from succeeding and who put the drunken CIA stooge Boris Yeltsin into power. Let me remind you that it was this Russian Yeltsin who – in defiance of the expressed will of the Soviet people who had voted to preserve the Union – told the republics to take as much freedom as they could. That it was this Russian Yeltsin who said “Henceforth I will refer to it (the USSR) as the former Soviet Union!” Remember that before you blame the other republics, author of this article.
Rusland is way over hes head on this issue!! And its disgusting to read, in all honesty, when he writes “I can say with clear conscience I don’t care how many Azeris and Armenians will kill of each other”. Yes Rusland, we know you never cared, and thanks for clearing out the russian standpoint and understanding of the conscience/morality/ethics you posses.
And lets face it, this is exactly the point most of the sakers readers never will understand. Cause their morality is either based on a quid for pro, or as saker himself writes sometimes diplomatically, the “pragmatic” policy of Russia or Russians.
They way history gets forgotten and the nationalistic bs about “hardcore Russification” is the same talking points you hear in the western empire about their colonies. It is as clone of what a western right supremacists would say, ohh Africa deserves all the bad cause even after the “civilized” west came with “peace, technology and law” aka colonization, they dident take it to them, now they are just fighting among them selves, the Africans… Braahh i throw up by these nonsense notions senile people spew up, it is the epitome of revisionism of history.
And the people on this forum thanking him for spewing these ideas are a sad sight.
It is true that the countries that fell or are falling for “western propaganda” will get a hard wake up call, as they are doing so right now. But lets face it, the USSR was an empire that took advantage of all its former satellite countries, and Russia has done ZERO helping its victims get on their feet, before letting them go. It would be like leaving Afghanistan today and have an expectation that Afghanistan would be in Ruslands terminology an “Switzerland” tomorrow.
Lets not talk about that the country has underwent rape by either the USSR or the US for the last 40+ years. Lets belittle the work these former empires, be it USSR or US, could do to countries, how they would ruin tons of countries culture and infrastructure to the point that it would take at least 2 generations with focused and stability to build up the right institutions that would be able to work independently.
No its too hard, too complex a thought that Rusland and the like minded in the west would EVER come to terms with. What??! We are the “good people”… we never did anything bad… its the lazy uncivilized people of the world that deserve death and destruction… we where helping the uncivilized world by raping them. :D Yes yes, what ever you say…
The Armenians and the Azaris have this problem today cause the ever “no fault Russians” never invaded the Caucasus right? They did not “need the oil” right, they made Azarbeijan to a rich provins now that they where “taking” the oil form Baku, right?? They did not under the USSR get invaded by thousands of “Russians” right? Nope, the Russians did NEVER try to mix the populations of different cultures to water down the aspirations and selfunderstanding of eg. having another religion than the Russians, or having an ethnicity other than the Russian, right?? That was why there where so many Armenians in Azari lands, cause of pure magic? Or that after the brake up from USSR the Russians drunk in alcohol allowed the Armenians to steal land from Azarbaijan? The ever so sweet Russians never once asked themselves if they MAYBE should take care of the bs they had created? Why should they?
As an Iranian, im fully aware of Aliov being a stooge so is the disgusting Armenian president. Im well aware of the traitors of human decency the propaganda of the turks have flooded the internet with. Im well aware, of all these stuff, but lets not forget history, and the role the newly awakened Russians, (yes they where the stooges of the empire for not so long ago, and before that they where one of the empires of the world), have played in world history.
There’s a lot of truth in what you say, Arash!
Followup, honest question, going back in time somewhat further than the last two centuries:
What were Darius and Xerxes attempting to do in Greece and Macedon from 492 BC until 479 BC if not extend superior, more mature Persian Civilization and Empire into inferior, immature Europe?
In order to grasp the complexities of our more modern example (the southern periphery of Russia) in as balanced a way as possible,in terms of core principles of the good and bad “parenting” of Empires and the reactions of their grown up (or still adolescent) “adopted children” ………….. let us balance the good and the bad of BOTH the uninvited behavior of Darius and Xerxes in his western neighbors AND the mixed reviews of Alexander (either “The Great” or “the Destroyer” depending on perspective) in his uninvited “visits” in the other direction:
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history/alexander-great-destroyer-ancient-revenge-or-war-profit-part-ii-007547
While Xerxes evidently made a better attempt than most Emperors……….
Excerpt from above link:
“……………the Persians were very respectful of other cultures’ religions. Xerxes himself during the Greco-Persian War was accompanied by not only Magi but also by Greek diviners and specialists. Xerxes even sacrificed a thousand bulls at Ilion to the goddess Athena, and speaking of Athena, he ordered the Greek exiles to make a sacrifice to Athena at the Acropolis. However, this could have been due to Xerxes making alms to his own gods as well as theirs as a sign of respect and sorrow for the burning of the Acropolis—but this still does not answer whether the burning did or did not happen.”
….the Greek and Macedonian ingrates thought “their own ideas” quite a bit better and sought quite unsuccessfully (or one could say, more charitably…..”with very mixed results”) to return “the favor”:
” The Persian invasion did leave death, destruction, and looting for that is obvious with all nations in war, but one has to be careful suggesting that it was Xerxes’ intent to take direct aim at holy temples with the few sources provided without considering the nature of the Persian respect toward other gods as demonstrated by Xerxes. On the other hand, we have Alexander who invaded under the pretense of a just cause or just war to avenge the Greeks for Persian wrongs. However, if your intention is to invade and conquer, to bring about social harmony through cultural unity, burning down the Persian house is not a great start towards promoting peace.”
Soldiers, Greek, Macedonian or Persian or Hessian…………. have to be paid, no matter who they are fighting for, and the merits or lack of nerit of the civilization of their paymasters……….or they won’t fight………….UNLESS they are fighting for their own lives and the lives of their families turning back unwanted “visitors”.
The article concludes:
“Even with many Greek colonists settling in the former lands of the once mighty Achaemenid Empire, they never truly penetrated or absolutely influenced the indigenous peoples of the Iranian plateau with their Hellenistic culture. In time, the Greek settlements looked like mere islands spread out to far from one another to make a true cultural impact in the regions they settled. Many of the tribal societies in Iran and further to the east held on to their traditional ways, and looked at the Greeks settling in their areas as unwanted guests or in the modern sense, illegal aliens. This demonstrates that Alexander the Greats grand strategy of untied racial harmony through Hellenism was not even in the best interest of his successor to his eastern lands, Seleucus, or with the Greeks settling within the eastern lands. Because of this alienation imposed upon the indigenous people on the Iranian plateau, rebellion would soon rise out of this and attack the very masters who preached harmony.”
And thus it is………in the very vexingly complex “family dynamics” of the human species.
Which are definitely NOT “All Good”….. nor “All Bad” as the experience of the Iberian Peninsula shows us.
https://theculturetrip.com/europe/spain/articles/spains-7-must-visit-moorish-sites/
includes photos and brief narrative regarding:
1) The Alhambra, Granada
2) The Great Mosque of Córdoba
3) Royal Alcázar of Seville
4) Medina Azahara, Córdoba
5) Aljafería, Zaragoza
6) Giralda, Seville
7) Mesquita del Cristo de la Luz, Toledo
The last narrative is inspiring, as an example of perhaps more good than bad brought by self styled “more adult” more developed outsiders……at the time of their arrival:
The city of Toledo, southwest of Madrid, experienced a long period of ‘convivencia‘ (ME: Means “living together”) during the Middle Ages, when Christians, Jews and Muslims lived in harmony. The flourishing of all three cultures bestowed the city with a feast of architecture, including the Mosque of Cristo de la Luz.
WOW!: The Mosque of CHRIST…….Of the Light!
Perhaps some “oils” and “waters”………….. CAN mix????
Acabou Chorare!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuFkq0oBhT4
Broad meaning: The crying is ended…
Bonus song for beginning nicely the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymYjAUxCLNM
A nation without strong borders, common language, and unifying culture is no nation at all. Russia’s vigilance on the border and the restriction of office holding for those with so-called “dual” citizenship are both very wise policies.
Watch the color revolution par excellence taking place in the technocratic fascist state formerly called the United States of America if you doubt my words. What goes around, comes around.
I am living it. I have a ballot which I am going to drive 20 miles to deliver to the county office of the Registrar of Voting–directly…walk it in…and hand it to someone. This vote-by-mail nonsense will soon become vote by e-mail and then I won’t even bother of course unless they hold my monthly pension check which they will–little fascist b-st-ards who can’t hoe a row, cut the grass or bother to reproduce.
Well, they wanted their independence back in the 90’s. And they’ve got it. Why Russia should do anything for or about them but keeping tabs on what they’re up to, and act in self-defence, if necessary? Not that these “republics” have anything that Russia hasn’t … (except, may be, the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan).
According Southfront and caucasus.liveuamap.com 13 Oct already 3 dead Russian borderpolice/military in Grozny after headchopper clash. Apparently possible mixed assorted 4 to 6000!! headchoppers transferred to Azerbaijan region. How many 10 or 100s of them, possibly Chechnyans, trekking/hiding in favorable guerilla terrain heading Grozny way with winter closing in!!! Pasha Tomato-gan latest SUPER, hyped, offshore Gas strike off Blacksea Coast has gone to his head with Lira tumbling and defence minister ranting on about possible military direct support to Baku..
Is this a deal with VP so professional Chechnyan and Russian forces can euthanize a few hundred headchoppers heading to GROZNY?? Has Turkish hospitality reached the limits with 40000 headchoppers plus families?? Sure VP is always ahead of everyone else so there must be an advantage for Russia in this unpleasant development now on/within Russian extended borders. Or perhaps Pashas final fling or swing!! Puzzle…
it´s a similitar situation of the former spanish empire; the spanish empire was from Alaska to Argentina, it was in peace and unite, without wars, turmoils, during 3 hundred years.
After the fall of the empire, it was all looted by anglos, and they became failed states.
Still, they keep the spanish language and religion, (spanish is the second most spoken native language in earth after the chinese). But there´s no hope because Spain is corrupted as all western Europe.
so the western world promoted the break up of the ussr but now blames russia for the wars from former satellite states. hhhmmmmm!
has any govt asked russia to intervene?
this sounds like a base plan for Russia as we see it evolve. Not a minute too soon I’d say. Let the ungrateful fools jump into the arms of the West and get rtaped for their troubles. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others; intelligent people learn from their own mistakes; fools never learn.