..well measured words of general…his body language said he will do what he say- kill/stalingradize enemies of Russians people.. Jihadis in the Syria been scared of him soooooo should be Elensky…..
Eye for an eye. If damn goes, so does Kyiv or Lviv. Simple as that.
One can feel the pressure, there is much more t it than he is revealing. This coming month will surely prove to be a difficult one.
The solution is to encourage true Ukrainian troops at the front to shoot or neutralize the people who would shoot them if they left the battlefield. They should be able to determine who the radical ones are. Do it covertly and nobody can be brought to account for it. Its called self defense.
I would have thought if a ordinary UKN soldier was shot by a radical nationalist, his comrades would turn their guns on the perpetrator at the right discrete moment. That is probably the only way to deal with this. If enough of them got shot they would think twice about doing it in the first place. Need to fight fire with fire. An eye for an eye.
And to get the UKN civilians to identify and inform the Russian forces where the Azov people are.
The same devils behind this are at war with civilian population in US UK & EU.
I recall the ‘fragging’ of American officers and NCOs towards the end of the Vietnam War that was a major factor in the defeat of the US in Vietnam and the end of the war. I also think that the Ukrainians need to turn their patriotic zeal towards the criminals who made this war.
The situation argues for targeting the enforcers. It’s not clear to me how to do that. You’d have to find them and kill them, without being exposed yourself.
And per what I said above perhaps Russia should offer a good monetary reward to any ordinary UKN soldiers who deals with these radical nationalists. Say 100,000 Rubles (US$2000) or more. Paid to them, or their wife or family etc… as long as they have some type of evidence they were problem and it happened.
A bounty on bad guys.
Just the offering of that would would create problems for the Azov people.
It would have the same effect as offering a reward for capturing/killing a nazi in nazi Germany…
The Ukrainian governing model is an almost exact copy of the fascist Germany. Nazi effectively control everything – and most importantly – 100% of the police & court system. It was purposefully built like that by the “west”. They bred a Nazi society using the same Goebbels’ methodology. The only difference with Germany of 1933-39 is the absolute control by and 100% economical & military dependence on USA and Britain. The “safeguards”, so to speak. Or so the democratic geniuses in Washington believe. One does not need many guards to control a concentration camp and the same way one does not need many devoted nazi to control the population – moreover that, as in nazi Germany, an average Ukrainian citizen sees mainly moral and material benefits for themselves from the regime (they do not show the ugly sides or problems on their completely controlled media channels). Besides people are so scared that are quite willing to close their eyes on systematic out-of-court killings, which, under the American and British careful guidance, completely replaced the normal court procedures in Ukraine.
We must consider the moral effect of more than eight years of fascist propaganda in the Ukraine. Even before that, recall Victoria Nuland’s brag of spending $5 billion in ‘democracy promotion’ since 1992 in the Ukraine. This kind of money would affect anyone; couple that with the glitter and shine portrayed by Western media of European glory and American prosperity, and we see a longing for change. Rather than address the root cause of their poverty, which I would say were the oligarchs and criminals produced by American “shock therapy”, the Ukrainians were ‘brainwashed’ to desire Europe and reject Russia.
And I would counter with the United States citizens as just as much a victim of propaganda as Ukraine. The US govt is stating they expect this war to last years. Right now they are working in Congress to work around Defense spending provided in the budget, to basically provide locked in guaranteed numbers of production, that the defense contractors want as assurances to shift some of their production to Ukraine’s needs. Yet the number of its munitions it wants to lock in are far above the number of rounds they will provide Ukraine. The purpose being to be ready for a ground attack on the US. Suggested by both a Democrat and Republican. The congress controls spending, the citizens no nothing about this, because journalism isn’t doing its job by being a check against govt abuse. I bet if you asked the poor and the middle class, the response would be no, we need to worry about our lives, our inflation. That is the responsibility of govt to their people. I bet many members of congress will profit from this. Certainly the Institutional investors in defense will be earning the returns they need for those in control, at the expense of the rest of us.
I understand Russia’s approach to minimize attrition on both sides, but I sure wish they would take out NATO forces running the operations stationed in Kiev or wherever they are. They certainly must know their location. Wouldn’t that bring a quicker conclusion to this war and save even more lives. This isn’t just about Russia and Ukraine anymore, but the health of the globe.
$5 Bil ?
US has unlimited paper dollars / digital dollars.
For now.
Buys any goon, merc, govt official, country, weapons, goods, fuel.
Until they run out.
The incompetence of govt lackeys works in our favor.
Except for the nuclear / bioweapons part.
34.000 sorties. 7.000 air to ground missiles. 8.000 drone missions and 600 kamikaze drones. and this is the Air force alone. Anyone on Telegram how thinks that NATO can match that without going to Full War mode is delusional.
This adds to the ~60.000 Shots fired daily by the Atrillery.
That put the emphasis on INDUSTRIAL, in “Industrial Warfare”
The best message Putin is sending to the world is that the USA cannot and will not protect you. While this is a grinding down of Ukrainian military, it is also a grinding down of USA prestige.
Putin should ask what happened to “Responsibility to Protect” (R2P) excuse that the USA used to go in and provide “assistance” in Libia? How has Libya performed since? This produced the famous video of Hillary saying “We came. We saw. He died. Cackle.”
The USA can no longer claim to be the world’s policeman. Expect angry Biden outbursts going into the election.
This is in many ways a truly remarkable speech. Interestingly, it was uniformly well received in (usually sharply critical) Russian semi-military blogosphere. Why? There are many reasons, but the main one is a brutal honesty. I will quote a (translated) part here:
———
“Surovikin on the situation in Kherson: A difficult situation has developed in this direction. The enemy deliberately strikes at civilian infrastructure facilities and residential buildings in Kherson. The hits from HIMARS rockets had damaged the Antonovsky bridge and the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, where traffic was now stopped. It became difficult to deliver food to the city, there are some problems with water and electricity supply. Not only does this all significantly complicate the lives of the citizens, but also directly threatens them. NATO commanders of the armed forces of Ukraine has long been demanding offensive operations in the Kherson direction from the Kyiv regime, regardless of the resulting casualties – both in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and among the civilians. We have information that Kyiv prepares a massive missile attack on the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, a massive indiscriminate strikes of the missile and artillery on the [Kherson] city itself. Such actions will lead to the destruction of the infrastructure of this large industrial center and lead to widespread casualties and death among the civilians. In these conditions, our primary task is to preserve the life and health of civilians. Therefore, a priority for the Russian army is to ensure safe evacuation of the population under already announced resettlement program being prepared by the Russian government. Our [army] further plans and actions regarding the city of Kherson will depend on the development of the military-tactical situation. This situation is already very difficult today. In any case, as I have already said, we will act aiming to preserve the maximum possible number of lives of the civilian population and our servicemen to the maximum. We will act deliberately, in a timely manner, and will be ready to make difficult decisions [if necessary]”
(contextual translation. Original https://t.me/dimsmirnov175/39027)
————–
The key phrases are “situation is already very difficult today” and “will be ready to make difficult decisions [if necessary]” (не исключая и принятия непростых решений.) – please note, while it is possible to translate the general’s words in a number of ways, here I chose the least ambiguous option.
Surovikin says that it is possible that Russian forces might withdraw from Kherson city. Then why the Russian bloggers cheered? One thing is that if you are not afraid to speak of your problems on public, that means you are strong & sure of yourself – and soon the only problems left will be those which NATO and USA have (as an aside, we in the “west” can also compare the ability to speak the truth publicly here and in Russia).
“Interestingly, it was uniformly well received in (usually sharply critical) Russian semi-military blogosphere. Why? … Then why the Russian bloggers cheered?”
It is as if Mount Doom spake through the belching of sulphur and smoke.. and quaked the land a radius of 10,000 km.. the tableau was striking. The cadence of speech, size of the fella, gangster-like shaven pate, directness and candor. Read the love-struck comments everywhere. I had been focused on the words, and didn’t pick up on it until reading the comments. Apparently Mercouris stopped needing viagra too! He just had this effect on all.
Most of all, the lukewarm and nervy blogger community, living on the edge (ready to jump?) after eight long months, needed a simple clean cut honest take by a unified commander. He has brought alotta clarity. Not the brush-offs by academic automaton geeks at the MoD which rarely discussed set-backs and or even bothered to put a human touch on things.. This guy was a breath of fresh air, even if he promised initial setbacks, in order to save friendly lives and grind the nazi bastards.
Demilitarization does NOT equal holding terrain at all costs, even Russian land now, especially if it provides oodles of cannon-fodder willing to suicide themselves for cheap western optics. After 30 years of brainwashing, the disease is terminal among most Ukies. Once it sets in, this type of craze takes generations to burn out — unless an outside Force could expedite matters. The General reminded his listeners of this factor; and his singular dispassionate purpose in life. Many backs were straightened, guts sucked in, whimpering cut off, etc..
Does this make sense? He really says nothing new. But most are lazy, lack patience, do not do diligence in reading boring MoD Bulletins, and are usually swayed by western BS. So they badly needed a steadying Big Daddy with the Hammer of Thor on his thick belt and a skull so thick it doesn’t need a helmet. This has now been provided
@AHH Love your comment. It is almost a poetry. I was surprised with how this Surovikin was able to say what he wanted to say while everyone heard what they wanted to hear – or perhaps, what he wanted them to think they heard. As in the highest class of a hard core diplomacy but in such an unexpected wrapping & style … Now we shall wait and see.
PS Watching Surovikin, I remembered the style in which Ryabkov delivered the infamous “Russian ultimatum” in December 2021. I was always surprised how little the “western” politicians appreciated Putin & even demanded that he must go. Putin did not go (thankfully) but just slightly adjusted the balance in his environment and you already see the difference. Not that I am not glad that this is happening, quite the opposite. But soon the last remaining “soft-wing” clan who still insist that Russia is not at full scale war with USA and NATO, they will go down or persuaded, and then the real show starts in honest.
it is unlikely he reads the text. People who know him say it is his style. They also say he is way smarter than, say, Obama , not to mention Biden, to need a teleprompter.
“General Sergey Surovikin, aka General Armageddon, the new commander of Russian air, land and sea forces serving on the Ukrainian front, is blessed to have served alongside Syria’s Brigadier General Soheil Hassan, aka The Tiger, whom the late Robert Fisk said was one of the scariest men he had ever met in his long and very colourful life. ”
Who General Soheil Hassan?
“General Hassan’s Tiger Forces, as the cutting edge of the Syrian resistance, drove NATO’s killers out of each of their bolt holes, one after the other. Their patriotic campaign was made much easier by the logistics and other practical support Iran and Russia gave them and the irregulars supporting them. At the heart of that support was General Surovikin, aka General Armageddon, a veteran of the Chechen and other campaigns.”
“Though the Tiger likes his poetry, war is not a time of poetry books but a time of strategy, tactics and cold, hard and calculated moves with the pieces one has.”
There I tend to disagree, as British Irish Poet Percy Shelley wrote In Defence of Poetry. Abe Lincoln had his General recite Shakespeare at War Planning, to their initial abjuration.
Wow ! The nickname General Armagedon seems appropriate. Impressed.
..well measured words of general…his body language said he will do what he say- kill/stalingradize enemies of Russians people.. Jihadis in the Syria been scared of him soooooo should be Elensky…..
This fellow could bust out of a straight jacket.
He’s worth keeping an eye on to see what he does to stop the Ukraine army from hitting Russia Belgorod Region. I hope he means business.
Eye for an eye. If damn goes, so does Kyiv or Lviv. Simple as that.
One can feel the pressure, there is much more t it than he is revealing. This coming month will surely prove to be a difficult one.
The solution is to encourage true Ukrainian troops at the front to shoot or neutralize the people who would shoot them if they left the battlefield. They should be able to determine who the radical ones are. Do it covertly and nobody can be brought to account for it. Its called self defense.
I would have thought if a ordinary UKN soldier was shot by a radical nationalist, his comrades would turn their guns on the perpetrator at the right discrete moment. That is probably the only way to deal with this. If enough of them got shot they would think twice about doing it in the first place. Need to fight fire with fire. An eye for an eye.
And to get the UKN civilians to identify and inform the Russian forces where the Azov people are.
The same devils behind this are at war with civilian population in US UK & EU.
I recall the ‘fragging’ of American officers and NCOs towards the end of the Vietnam War that was a major factor in the defeat of the US in Vietnam and the end of the war. I also think that the Ukrainians need to turn their patriotic zeal towards the criminals who made this war.
The situation argues for targeting the enforcers. It’s not clear to me how to do that. You’d have to find them and kill them, without being exposed yourself.
And per what I said above perhaps Russia should offer a good monetary reward to any ordinary UKN soldiers who deals with these radical nationalists. Say 100,000 Rubles (US$2000) or more. Paid to them, or their wife or family etc… as long as they have some type of evidence they were problem and it happened.
A bounty on bad guys.
Just the offering of that would would create problems for the Azov people.
There’s many ways to deal with such a situation.
What “crazies” look like
“Los kaibiles,“máquinas de matar” del Ejército guatemal”
https://t3.kn3.net/taringa/0/4/5/7/6/5/will_1300/752.jpg
They killed 1 of 30 civilians in country
It would have the same effect as offering a reward for capturing/killing a nazi in nazi Germany…
The Ukrainian governing model is an almost exact copy of the fascist Germany. Nazi effectively control everything – and most importantly – 100% of the police & court system. It was purposefully built like that by the “west”. They bred a Nazi society using the same Goebbels’ methodology. The only difference with Germany of 1933-39 is the absolute control by and 100% economical & military dependence on USA and Britain. The “safeguards”, so to speak. Or so the democratic geniuses in Washington believe. One does not need many guards to control a concentration camp and the same way one does not need many devoted nazi to control the population – moreover that, as in nazi Germany, an average Ukrainian citizen sees mainly moral and material benefits for themselves from the regime (they do not show the ugly sides or problems on their completely controlled media channels). Besides people are so scared that are quite willing to close their eyes on systematic out-of-court killings, which, under the American and British careful guidance, completely replaced the normal court procedures in Ukraine.
The difference to Germany WW2 is a lot of UKN soldiers arent too thrilled with their Govt.
And when faced with fighting better trained and morally correct Russians forces the choice is simple.
And a lot of German troops towards the end after 1943 realized the trap they had got into. Hence July 1944 plot.
I don’t think Germans were “Nazis” in Nazi Germany.
Nazi Germany did not use “Stop troops”, who would kill own soldiers.
We must consider the moral effect of more than eight years of fascist propaganda in the Ukraine. Even before that, recall Victoria Nuland’s brag of spending $5 billion in ‘democracy promotion’ since 1992 in the Ukraine. This kind of money would affect anyone; couple that with the glitter and shine portrayed by Western media of European glory and American prosperity, and we see a longing for change. Rather than address the root cause of their poverty, which I would say were the oligarchs and criminals produced by American “shock therapy”, the Ukrainians were ‘brainwashed’ to desire Europe and reject Russia.
And I would counter with the United States citizens as just as much a victim of propaganda as Ukraine. The US govt is stating they expect this war to last years. Right now they are working in Congress to work around Defense spending provided in the budget, to basically provide locked in guaranteed numbers of production, that the defense contractors want as assurances to shift some of their production to Ukraine’s needs. Yet the number of its munitions it wants to lock in are far above the number of rounds they will provide Ukraine. The purpose being to be ready for a ground attack on the US. Suggested by both a Democrat and Republican. The congress controls spending, the citizens no nothing about this, because journalism isn’t doing its job by being a check against govt abuse. I bet if you asked the poor and the middle class, the response would be no, we need to worry about our lives, our inflation. That is the responsibility of govt to their people. I bet many members of congress will profit from this. Certainly the Institutional investors in defense will be earning the returns they need for those in control, at the expense of the rest of us.
I understand Russia’s approach to minimize attrition on both sides, but I sure wish they would take out NATO forces running the operations stationed in Kiev or wherever they are. They certainly must know their location. Wouldn’t that bring a quicker conclusion to this war and save even more lives. This isn’t just about Russia and Ukraine anymore, but the health of the globe.
$5 Bil ?
US has unlimited paper dollars / digital dollars.
For now.
Buys any goon, merc, govt official, country, weapons, goods, fuel.
Until they run out.
The incompetence of govt lackeys works in our favor.
Except for the nuclear / bioweapons part.
Raise consciousness.
That is one fellow I want on my side.
34.000 sorties. 7.000 air to ground missiles. 8.000 drone missions and 600 kamikaze drones. and this is the Air force alone. Anyone on Telegram how thinks that NATO can match that without going to Full War mode is delusional.
This adds to the ~60.000 Shots fired daily by the Atrillery.
That put the emphasis on INDUSTRIAL, in “Industrial Warfare”
The best message Putin is sending to the world is that the USA cannot and will not protect you. While this is a grinding down of Ukrainian military, it is also a grinding down of USA prestige.
Putin should ask what happened to “Responsibility to Protect” (R2P) excuse that the USA used to go in and provide “assistance” in Libia? How has Libya performed since? This produced the famous video of Hillary saying “We came. We saw. He died. Cackle.”
The USA can no longer claim to be the world’s policeman. Expect angry Biden outbursts going into the election.
This is in many ways a truly remarkable speech. Interestingly, it was uniformly well received in (usually sharply critical) Russian semi-military blogosphere. Why? There are many reasons, but the main one is a brutal honesty. I will quote a (translated) part here:
———
“Surovikin on the situation in Kherson: A difficult situation has developed in this direction. The enemy deliberately strikes at civilian infrastructure facilities and residential buildings in Kherson. The hits from HIMARS rockets had damaged the Antonovsky bridge and the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, where traffic was now stopped. It became difficult to deliver food to the city, there are some problems with water and electricity supply. Not only does this all significantly complicate the lives of the citizens, but also directly threatens them. NATO commanders of the armed forces of Ukraine has long been demanding offensive operations in the Kherson direction from the Kyiv regime, regardless of the resulting casualties – both in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and among the civilians. We have information that Kyiv prepares a massive missile attack on the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, a massive indiscriminate strikes of the missile and artillery on the [Kherson] city itself. Such actions will lead to the destruction of the infrastructure of this large industrial center and lead to widespread casualties and death among the civilians. In these conditions, our primary task is to preserve the life and health of civilians. Therefore, a priority for the Russian army is to ensure safe evacuation of the population under already announced resettlement program being prepared by the Russian government. Our [army] further plans and actions regarding the city of Kherson will depend on the development of the military-tactical situation. This situation is already very difficult today. In any case, as I have already said, we will act aiming to preserve the maximum possible number of lives of the civilian population and our servicemen to the maximum. We will act deliberately, in a timely manner, and will be ready to make difficult decisions [if necessary]”
(contextual translation. Original https://t.me/dimsmirnov175/39027)
————–
The key phrases are “situation is already very difficult today” and “will be ready to make difficult decisions [if necessary]” (не исключая и принятия непростых решений.) – please note, while it is possible to translate the general’s words in a number of ways, here I chose the least ambiguous option.
Surovikin says that it is possible that Russian forces might withdraw from Kherson city. Then why the Russian bloggers cheered? One thing is that if you are not afraid to speak of your problems on public, that means you are strong & sure of yourself – and soon the only problems left will be those which NATO and USA have (as an aside, we in the “west” can also compare the ability to speak the truth publicly here and in Russia).
“Interestingly, it was uniformly well received in (usually sharply critical) Russian semi-military blogosphere. Why? … Then why the Russian bloggers cheered?”
It is as if Mount Doom spake through the belching of sulphur and smoke.. and quaked the land a radius of 10,000 km.. the tableau was striking. The cadence of speech, size of the fella, gangster-like shaven pate, directness and candor. Read the love-struck comments everywhere. I had been focused on the words, and didn’t pick up on it until reading the comments. Apparently Mercouris stopped needing viagra too! He just had this effect on all.
Most of all, the lukewarm and nervy blogger community, living on the edge (ready to jump?) after eight long months, needed a simple clean cut honest take by a unified commander. He has brought alotta clarity. Not the brush-offs by academic automaton geeks at the MoD which rarely discussed set-backs and or even bothered to put a human touch on things.. This guy was a breath of fresh air, even if he promised initial setbacks, in order to save friendly lives and grind the nazi bastards.
Demilitarization does NOT equal holding terrain at all costs, even Russian land now, especially if it provides oodles of cannon-fodder willing to suicide themselves for cheap western optics. After 30 years of brainwashing, the disease is terminal among most Ukies. Once it sets in, this type of craze takes generations to burn out — unless an outside Force could expedite matters. The General reminded his listeners of this factor; and his singular dispassionate purpose in life. Many backs were straightened, guts sucked in, whimpering cut off, etc..
Does this make sense? He really says nothing new. But most are lazy, lack patience, do not do diligence in reading boring MoD Bulletins, and are usually swayed by western BS. So they badly needed a steadying Big Daddy with the Hammer of Thor on his thick belt and a skull so thick it doesn’t need a helmet. This has now been provided
@AHH Love your comment. It is almost a poetry. I was surprised with how this Surovikin was able to say what he wanted to say while everyone heard what they wanted to hear – or perhaps, what he wanted them to think they heard. As in the highest class of a hard core diplomacy but in such an unexpected wrapping & style … Now we shall wait and see.
PS Watching Surovikin, I remembered the style in which Ryabkov delivered the infamous “Russian ultimatum” in December 2021. I was always surprised how little the “western” politicians appreciated Putin & even demanded that he must go. Putin did not go (thankfully) but just slightly adjusted the balance in his environment and you already see the difference. Not that I am not glad that this is happening, quite the opposite. But soon the last remaining “soft-wing” clan who still insist that Russia is not at full scale war with USA and NATO, they will go down or persuaded, and then the real show starts in honest.
No frills, no BS, just the facts.
General “Armageddon”. I wouldn’t want to be his enemy. He looks like he could eat barbed wire.
For those who may have trouble getting this embedded video to go full screen, the Bitchute source on the Saker channel is here:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XoiuUrofZh2l/
Seems to me he is viewing the monitor with the journalist and perhaps the text also…
Same here re teleprompter.
Still, conveying the message with conviction.
it is unlikely he reads the text. People who know him say it is his style. They also say he is way smarter than, say, Obama , not to mention Biden, to need a teleprompter.
Is there a source for Russian Z and 2 patches? I’d love to torment my liberal friends.
When planning to invade a country, take your time, bring the right tools, find the right people, then liberate.
Declan Hayes, from Ireland, Prof. in Uni. Southampton, over at STC has essential background on General Surovikin, aka Armageddon.
To quote, as this is likely blocked,
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2022/10/13/general-armageddon-enters-the-ring/
“General Sergey Surovikin, aka General Armageddon, the new commander of Russian air, land and sea forces serving on the Ukrainian front, is blessed to have served alongside Syria’s Brigadier General Soheil Hassan, aka The Tiger, whom the late Robert Fisk said was one of the scariest men he had ever met in his long and very colourful life. ”
Who General Soheil Hassan?
“General Hassan’s Tiger Forces, as the cutting edge of the Syrian resistance, drove NATO’s killers out of each of their bolt holes, one after the other. Their patriotic campaign was made much easier by the logistics and other practical support Iran and Russia gave them and the irregulars supporting them. At the heart of that support was General Surovikin, aka General Armageddon, a veteran of the Chechen and other campaigns.”
“Though the Tiger likes his poetry, war is not a time of poetry books but a time of strategy, tactics and cold, hard and calculated moves with the pieces one has.”
There I tend to disagree, as British Irish Poet Percy Shelley wrote In Defence of Poetry. Abe Lincoln had his General recite Shakespeare at War Planning, to their initial abjuration.