By Ruslan Khubiev
Translated by Ollie Richardson and Angelina Siard
cross posted with http://www.stalkerzone.org/german-writer-eugen-drewermann-if-only-we-had-listened-to-the-russians/
source: https://cont.ws/@barbera/990566
Here is a fragment of an extremely interesting interview of the German journalist and researcher Ken Jebsen with the German theologian, writer, and psychoanalyst Eugen Drewermann.
A translation of the key theses:
Ken: “Could you explain to our listeners why it is so difficult nowadays for peace-loving and the peace movement to stand at the forefront? Why do the war drums again rattle? After all, if we look at Europe, we will see that NATO obviously saddled up the topic of war. Everyone forgot that the nuclear weapon at the American “Rammstein” air base completely contradicts our constitution and that it’s not Russia that is the enemy of Europe, but the European countries of NATO led by the US that threatened Moscow for all these years. So who perverts the truth?”
The original in German:
Drewermann: “According to my observations, only two things act as the main reasons for this. The first one is the total failure in the test of independence and the judiciousness of the Western people since 1989. Back then, after the dismantlement of the Eastern bloc we had an improbable situation and chance: the Russians for the third time (after the INF and START treaties) suggested us to carry out disarmament. They said that they are ready to dismiss the Warsaw pact if we dismiss NATO, and that then the East won’t threaten the West, and visa versa. I.e., the Russians, in essence, suggested to demilitarise the territory from the Atlantic to Vladivostok, and we should’ve done this! I say that Russians suggested to listen to them ‘for the third time’, because Stalin in 1952 in his diplomatic note wanted to avoid an arms race in Western Germany. But he was ignored. Then in 1956 there was the Rapacki Plan, proposed by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland, it was also a similar orientation – military neutrality. But at that moment there were Americans in Germany, and they, as permanent occupational troops, boycotted this process. By the way, the US’ occupation continues also today, and the army of America is located exactly in these same places that it was by the end of World War II.
Well, and then, from 1989 the Americans started once again brainwashing Europe. To feed it with lies. This time saying that although the USSR offers a peaceful hand, we all the same need soldiers, and this time not for war, but to frighten off a potential enemy. I.e., not to allow war to start. Just think about how ridiculous this sounds! After all, the enemy, seeing an accumulation of forces near its border, will also be obliged to increase its own forces, but we were fed with this very skilfully, and this nonsense still remains in many people to this very day! The Americans said: these soldiers are not for war, but they will be trained to launch nuclear weapons and for chemical and bacteriological attacks, they will be equipped with the most horrifying weapons, but this doesn’t threaten Russians. This is only for scaring away. And after this, when the Russians were tired of tolerating it, the West also pointed to Russia. ‘So now you see,’ they said. ‘We said all along that this is the aggressor’. And the fact that professional executioners on our side all this time were sharpening their knives, and that the Russians were waiting for decades and didn’t react to this in any way, was immediately obfuscated.
At the same time, it is absolutely obvious that such things and such tools can be created only when you have serious aggressive intentions.
Moreover, after all, it was stated to Russians that NATO won’t move even a centimetre to the East, and what was the result?
https://southfront.org/saker-community-translations/As a result, in the 90’s the Americans installed their puppet in Russia – Yeltsin, and it was already possible not to reckon with him and NATO continued to expand. And the Germans were dragged into this step by step. In Somalia the Bundeswehr simply established tents, German participation in Iraq was already stronger. And our army participated in Kosovo in general. The Americans wanted to increase NATO’s influence in the Balkans, and we, as puppets, helped them with this. NATO staged in the media news about ethnic cleansing in one of the cities, which, as was later found out, was fake, but it is precisely on the basis of this invented story that NATO destroyed this country. And who was the first who recognised the independence of its splinter – Croatia? It was Germany…
Afterwards the US recycled this trick many times. The media under its control created the correct pictures – torture, suffering, and hysterics, and made a background that would justify the invasion of their forces. In Kuwait, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya, and so on … By the way, in Kuwait there was a apotheosis of all of this. Just think about it: the US armed the army of Hussein – their puppet in Iraq, then he entered Kuwait. The Americans, having understood that his army becomes too strong, collected a coalition and under an invented pretext – that Hussein’s soldiers allegedly killed babies there and refuse to leave this country (although both the first and second things turned out to be staged), and then NATO forces bombed this country for two months. 200,000 people died so that the balance of the American interests was restored.
If you look at today’s role of the media, it didn’t change. Everything is done in exactly the same way, only this time against Moscow. If to speak about the real view of all of this from Russia, it is necessary to listen to how Putin spoke at the Munich Security Conference in 2007. Back then he said that Russia soon will start talking to the West in a new way about the equality of all people and nations, that the time when other countries are occupied by the US will end, and that the future of the world can be peaceful, and he even proposed a way to achieve this. To unite Eurasia – from Lisbon to Vladivostok. As an economic union and a union of common security. But this, as you understand, is a nightmare for the Americans, since then they have done everything to impede Russia.
It is exactly what Russia proposed and what would’ve been favorable to every EU country that scared the US to hell. They boycotted it, having consciously created events in Ukraine, pushed NATO to the East, cultivated and used russophobia in the Balkans and the Baltics, cut off Moscow from the West European capitals in every possible way, and support war in Syria.
Yes, Putin outplayed them. The Russian-speaking Crimea returned to Russia via a vote, Donbass stood its ground, and Assad also stood his ground. After all, for comparison, in Yugoslavia NATO in general didn’t ask for the opinion of the people – western jets simply dropped bombs, saying that it was being done for the benefit of the people.
But you ponder upon this impudence, what degree of cynicism and impunity the US reached in 2014 if they thought that they can so easily create a base in the most ancient Russian zone of control – Sevastopol, and that it is possible to so easily declare: ‘we want peace and that’s why we deploy missiles in Poland, the Czech Republic, and Romania …’
Of course the patience of Russia ran out and it responded. And I am sure that in the future its answer will be more rigid and more powerful.
But after all, now you understand that everything would be different if only we had listened to the Russians…”
“But after all, now you understand that everything would be different if only we had listened to the Russians…”
and now there is the trade war, tariff war, and so there will be more chances to listen for Europeans. And will it be the same old, ‘never lose an opportunity to not listen’?
When NATO was created in 1949, it’s aim was simple: To keep the Americans in Europe and the Germans under control.
A German-Russian economic alliance has been the nightmare of Anglo-Saxon bankers for more than one hundred years. When Bismarck was in Office, he advocated a German-Russian economic alliance. The Kaiser under banker influence foolishly had him removed, opening the door to two world wars which should never have been fought. One can argue that they were fought to turn the Germans against Russians.
At the turn of the 20th century Halford Mackinder, the well known British geographer, warned the British Government of the importance of Eurasia and the dangers of a German-Russian economic alliance. His writings were picked up by Brzezinski, who basically said the same.
When the Warsaw Pact collapsed in 1989, NATO should have been disbanded and the money that was spent on it invested in infrastructure. It was not, the excuse being that it was needed to maintain peace and fight “terrorism”. After that we have the EU making it’s appearance, it being nothing more than the civilian component of NATO, it’s creation based on the US Federation. Both the EU and US have central banks controlled by private bankers.
The strategy of both the EU and NATO was to move towards the East, right next to Russia’s borders. The intent was twofold: It was hoped that Russia could be destabilized, as was the former Yugoslavia. After destabilization comes the breakup of the country. After that NATO marches in to introduce “democracy” and protect “human rights”. After NATO come the private corporations and banks, who end up plundering the country, as they are currently doing in Ukraine. As political economist Lyndon LaRouche has stated, the only thing which can save the US dollar is the plunder of Siberia and the Caspian region.
NATO must have been aware that destabilizing and breaking up Russia was not a foregone conclusion. Should this intent fail, the next step was to bring NATO missiles right next to Russia’s borders and give NATO an advantage in a potential nuclear confrontation. Russia would then have been given an ultimatum: Surrender nor perish. The coup d’etat against Yanukovich in Kiev in February of 2014 was intended to bring Ukraine into both the EU and NATO. Besides Ukraines borders with Russia, the chief prize was also the Russian naval base in Sevastopol. As we know, things did not end up too well with those intentions.
What do we have now ? NATO is still “alive”, although standing on pretty shaky legs. US troops are still in Europe, while both Russia and the EU are victims of US imposed sanctions. Sanctions had a double intent: to weaken both Russia and the EU economically, to disrupt trade between them and to turn the EU directly towards the US, de facto making it a semi US colony. Well, this did not turn out too well either. Sanctions did do some harm to Russia. On the other hand, they were a blessing, as Russia turned to it’s own economic resources, building up it’s infrastructure. What astonished Washington was that the Russian economic elite stood by Putin, something it did not expect, hoping oligarchs would be turned into a pro-US Trojan Horse.
As for the EU, by the second half of 2016 the EU lost 100 billion euros in trade, bitterly resented. What was even more resented was that Washington DC issued imperial decrees to the EU, threatening sanctions against any EU firm which participated in the construction of the Nord Stream – 2 gas pipeline. Even I was astonished by this.
Since last year analysts have been stating that a rift will occur between US and European elites regarding Russia and China. It’s going that way. Demands are getting louder for the cancellation of sanctions, while Europe is looking towards the East, which is inevitable, as Russia is in Europe, not to mention it’s immense potentials.
I think it’s only a matter of time before NATO is terminated, as there is no mood in Europe for World War Three, certainly not with Russia. As for the EU, it will either be reorganized, sovereignity reinstated to EU states, or it too will be terminated. Even in Poland we now have demands that the country leave the EU.
And Washington DC ? I have my doubts if it has fully grasped the rapid changes that are occurring in the world, nor do I think it really knows what it has to do, still living in the past.
B.F.
for long I have been reading your comments, and while your heart is in the right place,
the mind isn’t. And I will address this finally.
Why do you push for a Russian-German alliance? what is Russia to gain from it?
German industry? well no, Russia wants to re-industrialize itself and provide
jobs for her own peoples. Why does Russia need Germany, except maybe to
sell gas/oil and buy some luxury items to satisfy the “wants” of the Russian elites?
These are all rethorical questions, no need to answer them.
Germans are nothing like Russians, completely different mindset and/or soul.
I’ve heard horror stories from my mother who visited Germany in the 70’s, saying
they are all degenerates, and only the influx of foreign workers refreshed their blood
helping them regain some kind of normalcy.
Yet again they couldn’t supress their ‘Germaness’ and had to instigate wars in the Balkans,
demonize the victims, and occupy all of Europe (Greece, Italy, Spain..) with debt money
and their mercantilism.
It was Germany that pushed from behind the curtains of the EU to instigate Kiev Maidan
and the war on Donbass. Yes, it was Merkel who gave the green light for Ukrops to attack
Donbass in 2014.
And yet you insist a German-Russian alliance is a good thing? (rethorical again)
Btw, do you read comments on other websites, like Zerohedge or the like –
those are flowded by German apologists who are so vile and deranged that they are
calling for ‘turning the gas ovens’ against the refugees.
And Russia should be friends with such people? (rethorical again)
I rest my case.
Peace bro.
RATM
You raised some interesting points. A lot of truth in them. I too lived in Germany for a while, so I know their mentality. Let me say a few things.
Merkel is a puppet, doing as told. She sided with the US against Yanukovich in 2014 and she blindly obeyed demands for the infusion of false “refugees” into Germany, who are now costing the German Government billions in expenses and creating social and ethnic tensions. Those “refugees” were brought into Germany to act as a political, financial, social and ethnic Trojan Horse, destabilizing the country. All to prevent a German-Russian economic alliance. Obvious. As for Merkel, she won’t be around too long. She can barely control her current Government.
When it comes to the Russian-German relationship, it was always erratic, based on discrepancies. You have the old Germanic-Slavic hatreds, the Germans regarding the Slavs as ethnically and culturally inferior. These grudges still exist. In the 13th century Teutonic knights invaded Russia, as decreed by the Vatican. They were defeated by Alexander Nevsky. In the 18th century Russia accepted a German princess, Catherine, to be their empress (she was indeed a German princess, but from the ethnic point of view she was North Serbian, as even today you have North Serbs living in Germany, in Saxony and Brandenburg. This fact Western historians always omit, but it was the chief reason why the Russians picked her, as she was a Slav). Catherine opened up Russia to the West, as had Peter the Great done.
In 1812 Napoleon invades Russia. One third of his troops were French, the remaining two thirds from other European states, many of them from German. After German unification we have Bismarck, who advocates a German-Russian economic alliance. Russia introduces the German educational system, which basically is still in use.The Kaiser foolishly has Bismarck removed. After that we have two world wars, when Germany gained nothing, but lost plenty. Who gained ? Anglo-Saxon bankers perhaps ? Who else.
Today we have Germany led by Merkel, a banker puppet. She followed Washington’s decree for that coup d’etat against Yanukovich and for the introduction of sanctions against Russia. German industrialists disobeyed, and 500 of them went to Russia, conducting negotiations and opening subsidiaries which, according to one analyst, employ more than 100.000 Russians.
Towards whom can Russia turn in Europe ? Towards France, a Rothschild playground since 1789 ? Who controls Macron, a “former” Rothschild’s banker ? Does France have much of a future with it’s financial and ethnic problems ?
Can Russia turn towards Britain, which has been under Zionist bankers control since the 17th century, when their agent Oliver Cromwell provoked the English civil war ? Hardly.
When Britain held BREXIT, Iceland proposed the creation of a Nordic Economic Union, something that should have been created as soon as England finished with it’s first industrial revolution. This Union could have stretched from the North Sea to the Pacific, as Russia, too, is a Nordic country. The first Russian state was crated by Swedish Vikings, who unified the Slavic confederations. The name of Russia is derived from the Scandinavian word “RUS”, which is still in use, and the actual name of Russia means “The Land of the Vikings”. Some historians estimate that Russians have 40 % Swedish Viking blood, as attested by Russian blonds, who all look Scandinavian. The English have 40 % Norwegian and Danish Viking blood. However, the last thing Zionist bankers wanted was a Nordic Union with Russia as it’s member, as they had other plans for Russia, as proven by the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, when the same methods were used as in England in the 16th century and in France in the 17th century.
What course of action is left to Russia ? Obviously an economic alliance with Germany, bringing Germany into the Eurasian Economic Union. However, US troops in Germany in conjunction with NATO will do their utmost to prevent this. Of course, in politics anything is possible. However, things are currently as I have presented them. I too rest my case.
friendly advice:
stick to the topic at hand (German-Russian alliance – yes or no)
and don’t widen with other stuff (which may not be true – I won’t even
try to disillusion you – you are free to believe anything you like)
RATM
I was under the impression that I did stick with the topic, giving you a very broad and logical answer why a Russian-German economic alliance is virtually inevitable. Your latest answer is very modest, as I fear you cannot counter with facts. As for stating that perhaps the things I wrote are “not” true, I invented nothing, quoting what I read from historians.
I concur with B.F.
“friendly advice:
stick to the topic at hand (German-Russian alliance – yes or no)
and don’t widen with other stuff (which may not be true – I won’t even
try to disillusion you – you are free to believe anything you like)”
I think B.F.’s response was very interesting and informative and definitely relevant.
B.F. added a great deal more along the lines that I briefly tried to touch on.
Your posts sound as though you are a Polish nationalist with a very narrow point of view, unlike B.F.
B.F. points out, as I did, the reasons why Merkel /= Germany.
Your comment “stick to the topic . . . and don’t wide with other stuff” sounds (1) patronizing and (2) it sounds like you are unfamiliar with the way a lot of discussions at this blog go, with many people posting a lot of different types of background or related material. In particular a general negativity about Germany needs, I believe, to be redressed with more balanced views. You refuse to engage with B.F’s material but instead put B.F. down and assume an air of bored superiority and address B.F. as an ignorant adolescent; this adds nothing at all to the actual discussion, and instead introduces an unpleasant tone that seems to me to betoken a trollish intention to sideline the actual discussion into silly insults.
Katherine
Katherine
“ … What course of action is left to Russia ? … “
I think this should be a course of action:
– just ignore the West
– cooperate with rest of the world outside G7
– continue further development of alliance with a China
– erode Dollar supremacy
– provide countries targeted for western military interventions with advanced anti- aircraft & anti-naval systems
– concentrate on further development Russian (huge) potential. (Russia is world of its own. She has everything, doesn’t need anybody).
– If present trajectories continue, in a few years, EU will come begging to Russia’s door steps …
Corto
Yes, what you have written does make some sense. However, the rest of the world is not all developed, while Germany is the European economic power house. Not easy to discard Germany. You have to accept some reality.
@ RATM, @ B.F.
I don’t want to say much about Drewermann beyond noting that his impassioned commitment to peace is wrapped in victimhood. That inspires some people.
As for the context of your debate, B.F. and RATM, I suggest we shift the focus: The horizon of Europe/Germany > Russia is far too narrow and small. We are moving in the age and in the geopolitics of “bye, bye West.” Of course, we know this from the language of Chinese and Russian diplomacy, but we either do not understand it, or we forget it.
An anecdote: Some time ago (maybe 1.5 years ago, not recently), Chinese President Xi met with Angela Merkel in Europe. They held a joint press conference. President Xi, as usual, was smiling. Merkel was not smiling. German TV showed only one part of the exchange: Merkel said “the Chinese see Europe as a peninsula of Eurasia. We see it differently.” At the Munich Security Conferenced about a year ago, Sergei Lavrov spoke for Russia: He said the West belongs to the past. More recently, the Russian president said that it is understandable that the West has difficulties understanding that they are not going to always get what they want. When the Russian president met the French president recently, he suggested Russia can help Europe with the problem of its strategic dependence on the US; Putin smiled as he said that. Of course, were he or anyone else in Europe capable of thinking strategically, he or anyone else would know that Putin’s March 1st speech means one thing: Europe is going to get peace, whether it wants it or not, so Europe (or Germany, for that matter) might as well settle down to do something real and maybe even relevant. Putin cancelled the European limited-nuclear-war bargaining-chip role for the US, and Europe’s problems with Donald Trump over NATO merely confirm the point.
On this background, I want to say to the address of B.F. that RATM is right, but since I don’t separate hearts and minds, I also have to say that he is right for the wrong reasons because he is too narrowly focused on Russia-Germany.
“It was Germany that pushed from behind the curtains of the EU to instigate Kiev Maidan and the war on Donbass. Yes, it was Merkel who gave the green light for Ukrops to attack Donbass in 2014.” – This is true, of course. It is quite kosher to make Merkel or her Foreign Minister at the time, Steinmeier, into the dupes or puppets of Victoria Nuland. Still, RATM, let’s look together at that lovely photo of Putin welcoming Merkel in Sochi with the big bouquet of flowers: Putin is smiling the typical Putin-smile, the angelic smile, the smile that neither lies nor can it be studied (like actors do). It is the smile of the same man who can say, “I am not your friend, I am the President of Russia.” And Angela, what did she do? She smiled back, a strange smile, utterly guiltless, a smile that said this could not possibly be Angela Merkel, not a shadow of suspicion that she did not understand Putin’s smile, but, to her, Putin’s smile seemed to say, “Angela, we can let bygones be bygones, all is forgiven, little girl, if you begin to think for a moment and understand that you are indeed but a part of a peninsula of Eurasia, we might still be able to get some real work done.”
RATM, you are quite right: Russia does not need Germany as an ally, neither economically nor politically, and B.F. is quite wrong, Russia does not need German engineering either, not now after all of the years of deindustrialization and deliberate destruction of what did formerly exist.
It is necessary to say these things because, if you do know German mentality, then you know that letting a German believe that Russia needs them for *anything* means to them that they have leverage over Russia and can make Russia bend. As President Erdogan of Turkey would tell you, the Germans just do not yet “know their place.” President Putin is more polite. They are not a scientific powerhouse, they are not an engineering powerhouse, they are not an economic powerhouse, they are as deep in the infrastructural breakdown sewer as the US is, and they think it is brilliant economic policy not to have the money to run their own water-supply systems, health-care, hospitals, etc., schools, local transportation without the “management” of asset-stripping “investment funds.”
B.F., you write to RATM: “Your latest answer is very modest, as I fear you cannot counter with facts. As for stating that perhaps the things I wrote are “not” true, I invented nothing, quoting what I read from historians.” – Let’s keep it fair, *I’ll* give you the ”facts” to back up RATM’s point. And I also know Germany history, but my advice is to be careful of book-learning. And I spent over 35 years in Germany, *working*, often as a guest of the Bundeswehr General Staff Academy in Hamburg, often at the SWP in Bavaria, sometimes with the German Border Police, sometimes with the “security” agencies, with German companies that no longer exist because they were not intelligent enough to escape to Russia soon enough. I know German industries and engineering from the inside. I know their quality, or lack thereof, particularly when it comes to competing with Russia.
My main and short point is: Bye-bye West, there will be no pendulum swing to reasonable policies in Europe or in Germany, because the system is internally destroyed. Let Nemesis go to work, cooperate where possible.
“Russian-German economic alliance is virtually inevitable.” – Definitely not, but, yes, Nord Stream II will go ahead. It’s going to be rough going as a peninsula of Eurasia, a much needed “back to basics,” but it has to be done.
GeorgeG
Thank you for your expose. The three of us obviously have different opinions, which is nothing unusual. What I am trying to say is that Germany cannot be discarded just like that. It is still a very important economic partner of Russia. When I use the phrase a German-Russian economic alliance, I do not mean an independent alliance as such, but an indirect alliance when Germany joins the Eurasian Economic Union, which in the long run is inevitable. What happens then ? Germany will pull others into the Union, like France and Italy, as expected by analysts. This is the chief reason why the Atlantic powers forced Germany to accept between 1 and 2 million false refugees, hoping to subvert Germany from within, making her politically, socially, financially and ethnically unstable. Obvious.
You are placing too much importance on Merkel. As I constantly repeat, she is just a puppet, doing as told. When the US introduced sanctions against Russia, she kept control over the bankers and lost control over industrialists, who bypassed sanctions by opening subsidiaries in Russia, which now employ 140.000 Russians. At one time there were 500 German industrialists openly conducting negotiations in Russia.
And yes, Putin and Lavrov are correct when they said that the West has lost the political and economic initiative. Eurasia is the future, with Russia and China being it’s backbone. Western Europe, led by Germany, will inevitably join the eastern block. I don’t see how the US can prevent this short of a general war, which would be very foolish indeed. The latest news is that Trump has withdrawn his threat of applying sanctions against EU firms who participate in the construction of the Nord Stream – 2 gas pipeline, permitting Germany to build the pipeline. It was inevitable.
Hi B.F.,
At some sites there are certain “rules”, which I am not sure apply here, but they might be worth considering. One such “rule” is to quote exactly what you disagree with and, of course, argue why. – Here you take issue with “discarding Germany” and assert that Germany “is still a very important economic partner of Russia,” as if I had argued that that is not so. I did not discard Germany, I merely pointed out that Germany and its leadership is, in the view of Russia, not contributing any real work to solving real problems, and I asserted, contrary to your argument, specifically, that, no, Russia does not need German engineering. And I said why that is so: 1. Russian engineering is superior or equivalent, 2. Germany has lost /destroyed what it once had in know-how. I made a summary-argument, which I made earlier more extensively, that the view of German elites (yes, including “industrial elites”) is that Russia “needs” Germany, so they believe Germany can afford to stall on real solutions and use its “leverage” to get concessions, political, financial, and economic, from Russia. So I am arguing as if it were possible that some German industrial “intelligence” people might read postings at this site; and i am telling them they are wrong: they are not going to get the “deep structural reforms” they would like, and they do not have the leverage they believe they have. I made specific arguments, but you shift the playing field. – The differences here are, I suggest, no longer differences of mere opinion.
And, as RATM suggested – but you “discarded“ his point,– you expand the argument to other fields rather than sticking to the subjects under debate. You claim I place too much importance on Merkel. I did not such thing. But you use this reasserted claim, which has nothing to do with what I argued, in order to reassert that Merkel is a puppet. By making Merkel and/or Germany the victim, you salvage your romantic notion that Germany is about to lunge to the East? A puppet for whom? The US, for Obama-Clinton-US, or a puppet for the transnational/transatlantic oligarchy embedded in German institutions since the reunification of Germany? In the industrial world, the message was delivered with the killing of Detlev Karsten Rohwedder, and the message was delivered to the banking institutions with the killing of Alfred Herrhausen. So, if Merkel is a puppet, her entire career rode on the back of these killings. – Get it?
“The Atlantic powers forced Germany to accept between 1 and 2 million false refugees…” Your romanticism appears to be boundless. Germany has harbored the Muslim Brotherhood for the purpose of destroying Syria from the outset, Germany – Merkel personally – even gives Jordan money not to let Syrian refugees return because they want to set up an anti-Assad government via the UN-Geneva process. She has lost that game also, but refuses to concede defeat. That Germany is powerful and is essential to Europe’s “unity” might be a box-office hit cartoon-film in Brussels, no one else believes it.
Of course, when every scheme the Germans participated in in order to earn their “influence” in the EU and NATO is defeated or dries up, then, yes, whatever is left of German engineering capacity and capital goods production will go begging for markets. They have invested millions in NGOs throughout the post-Soviet area, and are disappointed that the yield in the form of business contracts has been zilch: No wonder. Other countries don’t want to let the Germans pull a Maidan on them.
GeorgeG
You have done it again. You wrote plenty without saying too much. Again you belittle German industry and engineering, stating “whatever is left of German engineering capacity”. Strange comment. Would you care to offer any facts to your generalizations ? By the way, what were 500 German industrialists doing in Russia when sanctions were introduced and why do German subsidiaries employ 140.000 Russians ?
It is true that Russian industry does not need German engineering as much as it did before, but it still does, as well as other German products. German exports to France amount to more than 100 billion euros a year. German losses in exports to Russia amount to more than 40 billion euros, and they would have been far greater had Germany cut all economic ties with Russia.
Your second bizarre statement is that “other countries don’t want to let the Germans pull a Maidan on them”. Indeed. Yes, Germany and the EU participated in that coup d’etat against Yanukovich, but who spent 5 billion dollars for the actual coup ? Any guesses ? The State Department perhaps ? From whom did the US ambassador in Kiev receive instructions whom to place into power once Yanukovich was overthrown ? Does the name of Yats ring a bell ? By the way, Yats is in Canada, the Canadian Government bestowing upon him Canadian citizenship in record time, while the President of Ukraine, Poroshenko, has US citizenship, not German. Strange for a “sovereign” state.
I rest my case. I have stated all that need to be said.
Just came in: https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/news/detail/7660/, Putschversuch in Caracas, German political party “foundations” setting up NGOs in several South American countries, including Venezuela, involved in attempted coups.
“Again you belittle German industry and engineering, stating “whatever is left of German engineering capacity”. Strange comment. Would you care to offer any facts to your generalizations ?” — Gladly, but if you don’t mind I will keep it short and exemplary rather than writing a book.
As you are probably aware, the German government shut down the nuclear industry. That used to be an area of high-tech expertise and was also crucial — e.g. the nuclear power plant in Brazil liniked into the Carajas iron-ore “mountain” — for producing and delivering plan and equipment with with the partner / receiver couintry built its domestic capacities, raised standards of living, creating new markets also for consumer goods, produced locally. As you are probably also aware, the Russian Rosatom company builds turn-key powr plants and these are a major export tiem, Iran, Turkey, China and other places. The Germans got out of the business, not because Fukushima “proved the technology is inherenly unsafe,” but because the German companies (1) were competing politically with Americans companies and got the short end of the stick, (2) because they were lagging behind technologically (shut down their fast-breeder in Kalkar), and (3) because the companies that functioned as “general contractors”, e.g. Siemens, worked on the typical western model of coordinating a herd of subcontractors, which increases costs, depresses profits, and incurs liabilities for functioning, safety and maintenance, which is very expensive, ties up reserves for years into the future…, in short, it is not a good deal for rapid turnover of cash. Rosatom not only builds without any subcontractors, they take full responsiblity from the build to the operations over long contract periods.
In the future, it will be very interesting to see when the Russian capability for processing nuclear waste becomes a commercial cooperaion issue between Germany and Russia. As you may recall, Putin boasted about the Russians taking apart old atomic warheads and degrading the weapons-grade material, resulting in fuel for power plants as well as a cocktail of substances with low radiation and short half-lives. Putin joked tht not only had the Americans not kept their end of the deal with respect to desroying old warheads, they had hidden the material away such that it can be used to build new warheads. Maybe, Putin suggested, the Americans just didn’t have the money to fulfill their end of the agreement. Just as possible, even more likely, is that the Americans did not and do not have the technology for recycling nuclear waste. — The Germans don’t have it either, although German scientists know exactly how it is done. If they really thought it is a bad idea to sit on thousands of tons of nuclear waste buried in salt deposits, they would either churn out the engineers to turn the science into operational machinery, or they would go to Russia. But nowadayws — I forget the exact figures, they should be easy to find — 85% or thereabouts of German university students study anything but technical or engineering subjects, and IT students go to banks or companies to run SAP software, and mechanical engineering students go to the automotive industry with entry salaries 600 € less than a beginning “economist” who learns how to save money on R&D to keep shareholders happy. The number of electrical engineering students is miniscule because…, well, if you don’t build power plants and you don’t export them, they you are also not going to get involved in the high-power transformer business and high-power grid-switching which countries need when they initiatve massive electrification programs.
Siemens, just for one example — sorry, as I said, I have to keep it exemplary — makes turbines for power plants, coal or gas powered. As you may recall, they were slapped by the EU because they were in a joint venture with a Russian company that delivered 4 turbines to Crimea, and Siemens was fined for violating the sanctions regime. Did the Russian company or did Crimea *need* Siemens turbines? — No, not at all, and the Russian company told Siemens, Ok, take back your turbines, the technology is ours anyway, and we have the capacity to produce these turbines or better. And lo and behold, about a few months later, Siemens decided to shut down a turbine factory in Germany, for lack of demand. Turbines per se would be counted as technical plant and equipment: apparently Siemens does not have too many customers for these pieces. — And, by the way, Siemens was also bidding for at least part of the contract with Iran to build their railways, Siemens would supply rolling stock. No deal, the Russians are building the railway. Why? Yes, again because of US sanctions problems, but mostly because of the general-contractor / subcontractor matrix Siemens continues to rely on: that means, Siemens is not selling Siemens know-how, they are reselling someone else’s know how, maybe it is Germany but it could come from anywhere. Siemens therefore does not need engineers to develop and produce anything, they need them only for “management” tasks.
500 German industrialists? 140,000 Russians employed by German subsidiaires. — That’s not really a lot, is it? — In any case, what do the numbers prove? — They prove that the Germans need cooperation with Russia, they need the Russian market, and if they are in the SME category, they might even have some technology and know-how the Russians can use, but, as I reported here before, the Ostauschuss der deutschen Wirtschaft issued an urgent recommendation 1.5 years ago that such companies get in fast, because the window of opportunity was closing, because the Russians would cover their own needs very fast. Remember: import substitution? (By the way, if you read German you can subscribe to the “ostexpert” newsletter, https://ostexperte.de/?utm_source=Kontakte%20Ostexperte.de-Newsletter&utm_campaign=1804cc1e2f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_09_24&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f45f6f7dc8-1804cc1e2f-151056565.)
So what does Germany produce nowadays, now that the sorts of plant and equipment needed by countries that want to develop and grow, are not produced in Germany? — Photovoltaic panels? Yeah, that was supposed to be “high tech” and a real export boomer, but the Chinese produce cheaper and better. Wind mills? Yeah, Siemens even earns a lot of money there from the subsidies boondoggle. But the stuff is junk and even Greece has stopped buying these contraptions. You may have heard about it: the German “energy transition” is a disaster. E-cars? — Yeah, but do you need engineers to plug the components together to earn the subsidy money? Hardly. Are they “environmentally friendly”? — Hell, no! — So, tell me, please. What does Germany develop and produce?
Some other day I will share some anecdotes about what an “automotive engineer” in Germany really does as day to day work.
“At some sites there are certain “rules”, which I am not sure apply here, but they might be worth considering. One such “rule” is to quote exactly what you disagree with and, of course, argue why. ”
What a comment – Where the heck is this attitude coming from?
I have never noticed any such “rule” at this blog such as GeorgeG references, and who is GeorgeG to act Sister Mary-ish and inform another commenters of the “rules” of dialogue on this blog and how that commenter should write and, quite apart from what he/she said, he/she didn’t say it the “right” way, according to GeorgeG.
I didn’t know that GeorgeG wrote the rules for the Saker blog! Indeed, IMO he is breaking a cardinal rule that seems to be very well understood by B.F., namely, discuss with respect and courtesy and avoid ad hominems and personal putdowns. Those *are* both basic rules at this blog. GeorgeG and RATM are also IMO breaking a rule of this blog that forbids general ethnic/racial putdowns, as they are both expressing broad putdowns of Germans qua Germans, as if all Germans were genetically predisposed to, say, think a certain way, especially about Russians.
In fact, maybe GeorgeG has spent too much time with the most “Preussische,” eingebildete, besserwissende type of Germans and has taken on their self-important coloring.
Katherine
Please could everyone close this conversation down as its getting personal. Thx. Mod
Hello Katherine,
Let’s see if the Mod lets this through: it is not personal, except that you are writinm to or *about* me personally, so I presume I have the right, if not indeed an obligation to reply.
I do not know what you are getting hot under the collar about. — The “rule” I spoke about is simply a matter of politeness: If someone responds to something I write, and objects or disagrees, it is simply polite to do me the justice of reading what I wrote and reply to it, and not to respond to one’s emptional response or interpretation of what I wrote. — In fact, if I recall corectly, Saker has himself a number of times said he does not have time nor the inclination to respond to such responses to what *he* writes, because it involves saying “I did not say what you said I said” and such tiresome nonsense. — I do have the time, and I do think it apppropriate to point out that the disagreement announced has nothing to do with what I wrote. To my way of thinking, that is called dialogue. If such fora are for a collection of monologues, fine. Then I bow out.
So let me point out that you have done the same thing as B.F. did. Please quote me in some place where I engage in an ethnic/racial “putdown.” — Dear Katherine, I am writing about *politics* and intelligence evaluations, the word “German” or “Germany” is a place-holder for “*German policy*.” Please quote the passage where I wrote something that led you astray or otherwise confused you on that point. Just fair, just and polite, ok? “Respect and courtesy” in my book means to actually read what the other person wrote, or not, as the case may be, i.e., if you don’t want to respond, then you don’t need to read anything. And — but I hope this is not too tiresome if I point this out — avoiding *ad hominem* argument has nothing to do with avoiding “triggering” people: *ad hominem* argument is a *logical* fallacy. E.g. “Don’t pay any attention to what George says about Germany because he is just anti-German.” Perhaps it is readily clear that that is not a good and logical argument. It won’t stand up “in court.”
I agree with you 100% – Germans are like from another planet compared to Russians. Completely different mentality and not in a good way: fanatical, obsessed with saving for saving sake, dishonest (I.e. Audi lies about exhaust, Deutche Bank rigging markets etc etc). Kind of self-hating with terrible relations between men and women – perverted and stunted in many ways. Slavs seem spontaneous, happy , sharing, collaborative and not slaves to money.
It would be a very bad marriage. Germans should stay away from us. Insecure slavish sheeple forever kissing Uncle Satan’s ass
Your message made me smile. I often think that way, and mostly agree with your comment. Saying that, Germans produced some of the most amazing works of philosophy and arts, unparalleled in any other EU states. Perhaps they’re not entirely useless for the Slavic brotherhood.
tomo
As I have written, I lived in Germany and understand their mentality, which has positive and negative aspects. Yes, Germans and Slavs are in many ways different. On the other hand, from the cultural point of view, no country made a greater influence in Russia than Germany, with France coming in second. So, what will the future bring ? As things now stand, a marriage of convenience between Germany and Russia. Germany has the greatest industrial output in Europe, and it needs the Russian market, not to mention Russian energy and raw materials. Germans are still good at engineering, although not so good at electronics, where Russians excel. Russia still needs German engineering products, even though it is building up it’s industry. We also have a paradox when Germany is in question. Tremendous output, yet it’s biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, is in huge financial difficulties, apparently looking into a crash, which will pull French and German banks. What happens then ? Russia becomes even more attractive. Will the Germans, French and Italians still apply sanctions against Russia. I think not.
“On the other hand, from the cultural point of view, no country made a greater influence in Russia than Germany, with France coming in second. ”
Yes, there is a lot of “Slavic” influence in Germany, and vice versa.
Not only influence at the level of the state (such as Russian rulers consciously importing German cultural and administrative practices), but I believe also ethnic overlap.
There is a large Slavic component in the ethnic makeup of Brandenburg. These people spoke Upper Sorbian, a Slavic language related to Czech. There are still speakers of Upper Sorbian in Germany.
The Prussia-Russia economic connection is ancient:
Per Wiki: “The two towns [which later joined to become Berlin] over time formed close economic and social ties, and profited from the staple right on the two important trade routes Via Imperii and from Bruges to Novgorod.[11]”
When it comes to German, Slavic, Baltic, and other ethnic groups in Central Europe, you can’t really draw lines as clear as some would wish.
Katherine
Anonymous
Upper Sorbian means Serbian. You are talking about North Serbs, of whom there are officially 105.000 in Brandeburg and Saxony. Otto von Bismarcks mother was a North Serb, empress Catherine of Russia was also a North Serb. The name of Berlin, Germany’s capital, is derived from the North Serbian name ‘brljin”, which means poor land. Germans till have a tough time building an airport in Berlin, because the ground is too soft.
thanks – I never really lived in Germany – I only spent a month or so in Berlin but I’ve met many Germans when I lived in London. I have English and Italian friends living there (working for Eu government)
“Kind of self-hating with terrible relations between men and women – perverted and stunted in many ways. Slavs seem spontaneous, happy , sharing, collaborative and not slaves to money.”
Cliche alert, bigtime!!
Katherine
Completely different mentality and not in a good way: fanatical, obsessed with saving for saving sake, dishonest (I.e. Audi lies about exhaust, Deutche Bank rigging markets etc etc).
Replace the German brands with US ones and you’re correct. All major banks have been rigging markets and are still doing so. The difference is that the bankers of Deutsche Bank get caught all the time (at least on foreign territory).
Insecure slavish sheeple forever kissing Uncle Satan’s ass.
That’s an excellent observation. Those German bastards … they’re unlike self-confident Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians and Latvian. I still remember being angry about the German government for permitting some ABM shield being built on German soil (in exchange for buying some shitty US fighter jets).
Merkel is *not* Germany.
I was appalled at her diktat whereby with a stroke of her pen she allowed unrestricted access of migrants to Germany. This while Germany still denies nationality to children of those who were persecuted by the Third Reich (if born before 1953). Etc. etc. Lots of shit that Germany does.
Still, your basically racist/ethnicist comments about the Germans are not only off-base but actually IMO offensive.
Every country has its own political/economic profile. There are obnoxious elites, and all other elements.
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Per Michael Parenti (The Real Causes of WW2), whom I greatly admire, anti-fascist forces in Germany, including in the Wehrmacht, were repeatedly rebuffed and sidelined, and betrayed by the UK, France, and to an extent the USA when they tried to halt the rise of Hitler, the expansion of the military, and the press for war.
And the Poles, under a right-wing government, actually prevented Stalin from crossing over Polish territory to bring military aid to Czechoslovakia after it was annexed (in this case, truly “annexed”) by Hitler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Lievywdoo
Germany and Russia have a long and complex history, going back to Frederick the Great of Prussia and Catherine the Great, who was German. The two cultures mingled in cities on the Baltic and elsewhere. There are progressives and retrogressives in every country. Including “eternal victim” Poland.
Katherine
Katherine
You are correct. What Merkel did with the infusion of false “refugees” into Germany is indeed unprecedented. She obviously did that at somebodies command. The best way to destroy a country is from within, good old fashioned internal subversion. The Zionist bankers subverted Russia with the Bolsheviks in 1917, while they did a similar thing with Germany by forcing her to accept false “refugees”, knowing they would cost Germany billions and create social and ethnic tension. These are same methods that were used against Sweden and France. In both countries you now have no-go areas, where Sharia law and Sharia street patrols exist. Not an optimistic outlook for Europe. Two years ago a met a Norwegian, who told me that Sweden is finished, with the native Swedish population becoming a minority.
What’s that nonsense about “false refugees” about? Nearly each second comment I read in this thread contains these words. I’ve started to write a comment setting some things straight that you and RATM didn’t seem to get right. If possible I’ll publish it in the next 24 hours.
Anonymous
Nonsense ? At least 95 % of “refugees” pouring into Germany are the unemployed from third world countries, impersonating refugees. That figure was given by analysts on the ground.
B.F., at least 99% of Eastern European workers in Western EU countries are unemployed in their native countries. Do you remember the wailing of the Polish after Brexit (racism, fear of expelling Polish immigrants, …). Tell me please: Why is should I prefer some Eastern European opposed to someone from another continent? Immigrant is immigrant. By the way: Lots of homeless people in German cities are from Eastern Europe. Blaming black people or Muslims will not solve the problem.
All correct… although we should add Stalin’s warnings between the two wars. He tried to set up a security pact with France and UK. Never succeeded – until it was too late. And of course, Poland was one of the main “scupperers” of any such pact (even though it itself signed a treaty with Germany in1934). Worked out well for the Poles, didn’t it?
Yes. The exact point.
For a lot of people it second nature to dump on the Germans!
And the poor Poles!
The situation you mention well presented in the Michael Parenti video referenced in my prev. comment.
Katherine
LOL,
Ze Germans are always quick to play the victim card. LOL!
No Drewermann, it was Germany that insisted
Yougoslavia to be broken up and Serbs punished for WW2.
The Yougoslav economy destroyed, their marketplace occupied
by German companies and those smaller Balkan countries can be
more easily slapped around. That was Genscher’s and Helmut Kohl’s plan.
May they both rot in hell, pure filth.
At the beginning, the US was even against the break-up of Yougoslavia,
they only joined in after they realized they will loose influence to Germany.
But yea, listen to German apologists, plenty of them in comment sections
all over the internet. This Drewermann is just one of them.
RATM
Basically correct. However, the US did not idly stand by and watch. It too participated, giving Germany an overt role. The US stood in the background. Yugoslavia had to be broken up, so that Russia could not have any foothold in Orthodox regions. After that NATO and the EU went East, We all know what happened in Ukraine. However, Ukraine is much larger and it costs the West too much in subsidies. No more money from the EU. Now the West is seeing Ukraine destroy itself financially and socially. It’s breakup is only a matter of time. As things are going, the West did Russia a great favor with Ukraine. The bulk of it will join the Russian Federation in due course. By December of 2017, 4.4 million Ukrainians fled to Russia, something the Western media likes to ignore.
I repeat myself:
“At the beginning, the US was even against the break-up of Yougoslavia,
they only joined in after they realized they will loose influence to Germany.”
The US involvement in the Balkan wars was to stop Germany’s complete
control over that region (and not Russians).
Not every move the US makes is against Russia (e.g. the tariffs against EU products)
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p.s.
Now I give all readers some candy for thoughts:
Those ABMs in Poland & Roumania are
1) against Iran(‘s non-existant nukes) or
2) against Russia(‘s Sarmat rockets who fly over the South Pole) or
3) can be turned West (instead of East) against Germany
place your votes!
RATM
I cannot agree. Even former CIA agents openly stated that in 1991 they were working on the break up of the former Yugoslavia. Germany could count on the Catholic regions of the former Yugoslavia, but not on the Orthodox ones.
yes of course you are right.
it is a well known fact that CIA agents are honest people
and never lie and rainbows and unicorns.
You have plenty of immagination RATM. With due respect for you, as being a long time commenter to this blog, let me disagree with your interpretation on the question to Yugoslavia : The neocons who run the US back then, knew history. They were perfectly aware of the past ww2 actions in that part of the Balkans by the Germans. Germany lost the war, being split in two parts, the west being occupied till today by the US (nobody denies that, not even you) We also know, that the German intelligence has been penetrated by US intelligence since the end of war, the story of Merkel’s phone has made the news, but that was the case much earlier too. US had this plan from long time, firstly in the time of Tito, when they approached him with other policies suited for that time’s geoplitical issues – courting Tito who became at odds with the Soviet Union – the candy in action.
When the time has arrived for the main adversarry (Soviet Union – Russia) to become obsolete and to be dissolved (before that, Tito has died in 1980) , the big opportunity was lying there wide open. US with madam Albright at her peak, did the job. Helmuth Kohl’s hand was moved from behind – how would he and others with him to dare say “not” ? The mea-culpa programs on German TV channels and other media outlets were overwhelming, the past lifes of some German politicians and media-stars suddenly came out almost daily, the moral pressure (blackmail) was in plain action. To achive her plans, the US needed the Germans, so as to gather others from the NATO countries and some from Eastern Europe as well. The weaponry of former East Germany came at handy to be used (sent) to the Croats, Bosniacs,Kosovars, etc.
BondSteel – a beautiful embedded US-military colony in Kosovo is there as a reminder. Germany was used, many simply German citizens have gathered on the bridge In Belgarde in those days of bombings, forming a chain (some may still remember). Further, I don’t agree that they were degenerates, it’s a too harsh and unfair expression from your part.
No Drewermann, it was Germany that insisted Yougoslavia to be broken up and Serbs punished for WW2.
Probably you’re already aware of the fact that most politicians with a Nationalsocialist past ended up in CDU – the party of Helmut Kohl.
Maybe punishing the Serbs for WW II was one of the reasons for supporting the independence movement of the Croats. An alternative reason could’ve been bankers* pushing for the destruction of the last remaining Socialist Country in Europe? Since the disappearance of any opposition to pure predatory neo-liberal capitalism the welfare state in most European countries has been under attack. Compare the systems of Sweden, France, the UK or Germany of the 70s/80s with the present one and you’ll notice the push for privatization. Kohl (CDU) and Genscher (FDP) were the perfect tools for the bankers to realize their plan of erasing any opposition to the capitalist system.
*It was US banks and industrialists in cahoots with their German counterparts who helped Hitler rise to power.
“Maybe punishing the Serbs for WW II was one of the reasons for supporting the independence movement of the Croats. ”
I do recall what seemed like an unseemly rush by the Germans to recognize the breakaway statelet of Croatia in I think it 1993? This recognition certainly seemed to accelerate the momentum of the Yugo breakup.
Maybe not that dissimilar from the overhasty recognition by the USA of Israel in 1947 (?). Unseemly haste in both cases to create facts on the ground that narrowed everyone’s options and pushed events along quickly to a point of no return.
To me it felt like a chilling reminder of the fascist links between Croatia and Nazi Germany.
Katherine
Talking things Russian. Madam Blavatsky was Russian born, cofoundered the Theosophical Society & “discovered” J Krishnamurti who questions the human condition, & who’s talks are generally becoming available on YouTube – below is an excerpt – a few words & the video –
‘I have lived in a forest, close to nature. There is no violence there, but the outer world is the real jungle. How am I to live in it without becoming part of its competition, brutality, violence and cruelty?’
https://youtu.be/7nbWSdYT4XM
“Talking things Russian. Madam Blavatsky was Russian born . .”
Madam Blavatsky ( Helena Petrovna von Hahn ) also had German ancestors.
KenFM on set: Eugen Drewermann appeals to the conscience of the Germans
You can change the subtitles of the video to English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXNgOEISHFA
Europe is too mindless, too decadent, selfish and corrupted by NATO-style war-mongers, too naive and sycophantic in its admiration of America and its’ capitalist imperialism too see the truth.
The future prospects of the mindless and mislead are not good.
The stage has already been set for conflict and war within Europe, against Russia, a part of Europe we have sadly forgotten and alienate.
This will greatly satisfy US television audiences and insatiable US consumer demand and confirm America’s greatness.
The mindless and sycophantic render themselves dispensable and win little sympathy.
The stage has already been set for conflict and war within Europe, against Russia, a part of Europe we have sadly forgotten and alienate.
Probably you’re correct with your assumption of a looming war. Regarding the possible opponents I’m still trying to figure out how it will play out. Three possible scenarios come to my mind:
1. A war between NATO and the Russian Federation.
2. A breakup of the EU with the citizens of the former member states following more nationalist policies. If Germany manages to maintain its status as one of the leading exporters, the other countries will not be able to keep up and this will inevitably lead to conflict.
3.The EU manages to keep all of its members at a short leash and continues with austerity for the people. In order to distract the citizens from the real problems refugees (especially Muslims) are blamed for everything. Right at the moment we’re witnessing a militarization of police forces of different European countries. Under the ruse of fighting terrorism laws are implemented to permit the state to spy on everyone every time when authorities see it fit. This approach is quite convenient for identifying dissenters. They can be silenced right away. If SHTF (preparation for a revolution) before the realization of total control, a civil war (natives against refugees, the anti-Muslim right has never been so strong as it is presently) can be started in order to save the asses of the real culprits (bankers and their underlings, the politicians).
Whatever scenario finally will play out, the root cause will be the same: a loss of control / crash of the banking system.
Good news for US citizens is that in the case of scenarios 2 or 3 they can grab some soda and popcorn and watch the show on TV. If scenario 1 happens, then the only thing I can say is: uuups.
1. not gonna happen, bcz NATO=US (according to Saker) and Trump will sign
surrender papers in Helsinki
2. the EU will break up leading to a modified 3.
when Germany looses the control of the EU common market (50% of German exports)
a economic crisis will hit Germany and the US will make things worse by swiftly killing
Deutsche Bank – AfD morons will blame the muslims/foreigners and voila, you gots a civil war
it wouldn’t surprise me that the US already has plans to use those volatile times to
bomb a German factory or two – by “mistake” of course, urging the German industrialists to
move their production stateside and thus re-industrializing the US (“bringing back the jobs” –
MAGA what Trump promised)
At what time in the video does Drewermann speak the quoted passage?
The whole video is awesome to watch if you understand German, however I don’t have time for the whole thing right now. I will try to watch all of it later. Drewermann is a very impressive person, I had heard about him before but didn’t know he was still around.
Apparently he was removed from his office as a priest by the Catholic church, for his anti-war stance.
This all sounds so old…it’s now irrelevant whether the EU is hostile to Russia, facts are now enforcing their own will (and these are all in favor for the Eurasian bloc).
The only question now regarding the EU is when the Merkel regime is going to fall. Only after that will it be possible to think about replacing the EU with something better although time is running out fast for a ‘peaceful’ conversion.
Merkel is here to stay,
and Seehofer’s toy train-set was taken away – he has to sit in the corner wearing a cone-hat
but you know,
if all AfD voters hold hands and dance in circle like the native american Indians
did & pray for rain and a Merkless Germany – their wishes might come true. Keep the faith!
In this part of the world, the Indians are not known to kumbayah and hold hands and dance in a circle. In fact, such behavior is romanticized Anglo Esalen innovation. I’ve not heard of a tribe with any new-agey kinda thing.
Here, they drink copious saguaro cactus fruit wine, get drunk, and “vomit up the clouds” to bring the rain. In fact, they’re doubtless doing so right now a few score miles from here. Sometimes it really works.
The Germans might do very well trying this technique.
RATM, you seem to be to be able to read German. I’ll recommend to have a look at some articles of Nachdenkseiten. For AfD and CSU voters Merkel seems to be left, but that’s far from the truth. Her ass got saved by Orban. Asylum seekers are flown out of Germany secretly. Authorities and media try to keep silent. In reality the differences between AfD, CDU and CSU are marginal.
War outside of the Americas has always benefitted the US. It appears that peace may break out in Europe, Asia and Africa. The oceans that protected the US from foreign wars now separates us from the new trading blocks. World Peace and collaboration between nations leaves the US out of global trade.
in the midst of Trumps tariff wars china has approached the EU attempting to talk sense and create a unified EU/China trade accord…the response??
crickets….
Of course Germany is against it, because that would mean to
open up the EU common market to Chinese imports – and Germany can’t
have that – competition that is
The same offer was made in 2014 in the intermediary period
from Kiev Maidan coup and the Uki attack on Slavyansk (~ March to May/June 2014).
The Chinese president traveled to Germany to deliever the
deal – don’t start/support the war in Ukraine and we build the BRI railroads to Duisburg.
Merkel declined. Next what happened was the Uki attack.
Germany doesnt want to ever join BRI because that would mean to give up
the sole control over the EU market. And Germany lives off of the other EU states –
first their industries got destroyed so Germany could sell uncompetitive and overpriced products (some of which are even made in China and resold in the EU with huuuge profit margins – oh the irony!).
Anyways, this won’t last for long… so stay tuned…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6X4Db-Vm8M Martin Luther: A Saint or a Satanic Scoundrel? Dr. Peter Chojnowski, professor at Gonzaga University, is interviewed by Joe Bagnoli on 1370AM in Long Island, NY. Dr. Chojnowski goes into the details of the troubled life and writings of Martin Luther, the infamous father of the Protestant revolt. This is a must listen to interview for those who are seeking the facts regarding this man, and this period that dramatically changed the future of the world. A dark period of revolution against Christ and his One, Holy Catholic Church.
A dark period of revolution against Christ and his One, Holy Catholic Church.
This statement sums up your whole comment. Looking up this dubious Dr. Chojnowski I came across another person with the same surname. It’s a Polish surname. Since most Poles are Catholic I’m not surprised at the vitriolic bashing of Martin Luther.
Are you aware of the symbolism the Catholic Church employed and still employs? What’s the obelisk – a phallic symbol with pagan roots in Egyptian mythology – at St. Peter’s Square all about? Why does the Conference center remind people of a snake with the pillars on the podium resembling fangs of a snake (http://www.wakingtimes.com/2018/01/29/inside-popes-reptilian-audience-hall-vatican-city/)?
The Holy Catholic Church sold indulgence for money. This was one reason that led Martin Luther to protest against the system. Why does a Church need an own bank (Vatican Bank)? Didn’t Jesus drive out the merchants and money changers of the Temple? The present pope (the highest living human authority for Catholics) even suggested to modify the Lord’s Prayer.
It seems that nothing has changed in all the years. People worship money and try to dismiss other confessions as non-believers.