Good job SVR! They apparently intercepted a telephone conversations between Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and Catherine Ashton, High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy for the European Union, which clearly shows that the Europeans knew that the snipers on the Maidan square were not sent by Yanukovich but by the insurgents.
Now let’s see what the Western media does with this info.
Nice sound quality too :-)
The Saker
I was just about to forward this link to you :)
Thanks for the insights – awesome! Keep up the great work.
Is so sad that people dies and the criminals take the power to sell their country. It is just like what had happened in Syria or Venezuela.
Greetings from Singapore: It shows that while they were pushing/paying for change, there were also clueless and oblivious with whom they entered into partnership to destroy Ukraine.
RT has expanded their news story on this to include more info, including a transcript of sniper part of the discussion.
Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders – leaked EU’s Ashton phone tape
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/
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Saker,
Unfortunately, the western media will just ignore this, just like they ignored the recent email intercepts between Klitchko and other opposition leaders where they talk about deliberate destabilization. Do you know which I’m referring to? The only reason they reported Nuland’s “Fuck the EU” stunt is because it is vulgar and will sell newspapers and also it’s very easy to twist the story into a tabloid scandal instead of reporting on the facts of conspiracy contained in the recording. You know what I’m saying?
Regards
Gagarin
Spring fails in Ukrainian plunderland by Pepe Escobar
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-050314.html
Photos of Russian hardware in Crimea nothing but provocation – Russia’s Defense Minister
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_05/Photos-of-Russian-hardware-in-Crimea-nothing-but-provocation-Russias-Defense-Minister-6693/
“Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has dismissed as nothing but a provocation the alleged photos and videos in mass media of Russian military hardware in Crimea. “Of course, it’s a provocation,” Shoigu told reporters on Wednesday. “Pure rubbish,” he said, commenting on the allegations.”
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Deny it as a conspiracy theory? No comment? Ignore it and vote to join NATO tomorrow?
Paul
The same thing goes on in the USA with Soros, McCain, NWO, Obama and the rest in the USA. In the Ukraine, they just have a coup and spin the news. In the USA they rig elections. The Tea Party conservatives end up losing primary elections because the voting machines are rigged plus there is vote fraud.
The Ukrainian people need to call for elections this month. The corruption by the NWO is sickening.
Crisis in Ukraine: Russia stands for Feb 21 agreements. LIVE UPDATES http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_03_05/Crisis-in-Ukraine-Russia-stands-for-Feb-21-agreements-2084/
“18:12 Law enforcers have found an anti-personnel mine at the building housing eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk regional authorities on Wednesday, according to TASS.”
Meanwhile, a “protest” co-ordinated beforehand with western journalists in Crimea:
Ukraine turmoil LIVE UPDATES http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/
“13:57 GMT: Nearly 150 people have gathered near the entrance to the Ukraine’s Sea Border HQ in the Crimean capital of Simferopol. The HQ’s territory is now being patrolled by self-defense squads. Another 50 people are standing on the other side of the street protesting the actions of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
“These people are from Kiev and Western Ukraine. They have tried to organize a provocation at the entrance of the HQ,’ the commander of the self-defense squads told Itar-Tass.
The protesters showed up with banners saying “Crimea is a part of Ukraine” said the commander,
He added that a van with some journalists arrived and they started to report what was going on.”
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Dear friends of the world, similar situation happens in Venezuela in 2002, snipers kill people from both sides in a demonstration before President Chavez was removed from office.
And right now are trying to do the same scrip than in Kiev in order to remove the elected president. Similar situation with the same authors (US) but different location
By the way, I am not progovernment but smart enough to see the reality, and not agreed whit foreigner intervention in my country.
Explosive indeed! Yeah the western MSM will hide it, but it will be blogged about for days and it will seep through. The western leadership simply can no longer be entirely confident that they are in total control of the flow of information. In 1999, none of this would have mattered because they could hide anything. But in 2014 not so much.
Also, was this a de-scrambled phone call, or are they still so dumb as to speak en clar after Nuland and Pyatt got caught?
And if it’s the former, they must be terrified of what else the Russians might have on them.
@MARIO MEDJERAL
totally off topic, but curious what you think of Singapore as I may be joining you there soon.
Some retired US military intelligence guys have been saying that Russian intelligence will have intercepted phone calls and will eventually put them out there. Looks like this is one of them.
You’re not listening to the audio. What he says is that this rumor is going around, and the effect is to discredit the new government.
On a similar note, a commenter on the “Moon of Alabama” blog writes the following:
According to journalist Alexander Zhilin the new government in Ukraine is preparing false flag attacks on its own military.
“According to reliable sources in Kiev, foreign military advisers and the new authorities are preparing provocations against Ukrainian troops.
“The aim is to organize a night attack on a military unit and then blame the Russians.”
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/03/another-us-anti-front-falls-apart.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01a5117cca5a970c
Ignatius Burns
I listened to this both on the site and on the Youtube, and I can’t hear anything that is referred to, just the lady’s half of the conversation, even at full speaker volume. Not a single word from the man comes through. Is it possible that the Youtube video has just been hacked already? Anyway, can one get an accurate count of how many policemen were killed by snipers? I had heard between 10 and 30, which is a substantial percentage of the total 82. Great blog!
I am going to ask for help once again. The situation in my family is quite serious. The question I asked a couple of days ago is not “who were the snipers”? The question was why did the article that I linked to, which asked that question, say that the shooting happened on the 22nd of February when it actually happened on the 20th? It changes the interpretation of events to put it later. I do not speak much Russian and cannot follow such things. But my family member does, and has been listening all day for weeks to live programs, and, let us say we are about 180 degrees apart on this.
I am sorry, unless you have done the investigation (which i am sure you have not) – at this point in time one can not make claims like “snipers were hired by insurgents” (which i think is one of the likely scenarios) or “europe knew this from the beginning”. Your attitude here is very biased – could be that the snipers were hired by FSB too – there is not enough evidence on that.
What is really troublesome is that Ukraines new government and i am afraid the government after 25may elections will be infested with oligarchs and nationalist (ultra Russion or ultra Ukrainian) powers which i think is shitty perspective
Paet has confirmed the authenticity of the recording according to this Estonian source:
Urmas Paeti kõnet EL välisteenistuse juhi Ashtoniga kuulati pealtVälisministeerium: kõne salvestis on autentne (auto trans – Urmas Paet calls for EU External Action Service driver Ashton tapped Foreign Ministry: call recording is authentic)
http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/urmas-paeti-konet-el-valisteenistuse-juhi-ashtoniga-kuulati-pealt.d?id=68176199
I think the damage control the Israeli-Americans will use is that this is a rumour being spread by the Russians and Yanu’s people. I’ve already seen comments making that claim and the Estonian source linked above tries to do that, as well as tries to twist what was actually said in the conversation.
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The video has 1,679 “thumbs up” and “301” views. Odd, no?
Yup, the zionazi media is already trying to discredit it:
Ukraine crisis: US and Russia hold talks – live http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10677370/Ukraine-Russia-crisis-live.html
“15.17 Our correspondent, Damien McElroy, has spoken to the doctor at the centre of the claims that snipers that shot people in Kiev were hired by Maidan leaders…”
That was very fast. Amazing how fast they got a reporter to interview her. Almost like a military operation… ;)
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> Now let’s see what the Western media does with this info.
Hehe!
“Tasgesschau” is the most popular among Germany’s publicly financed news broadcasts. They’re also one of the most rabid russophobes, warmongers and truth twisters in the entire western news media. At times it seems they’re desperately trying to out-do even the most notorious and brutish of the lying US news stations. None of the cheery deceitfulness à la BBC here as such subtlety would probably be lost on the German viewers.
After the news of the Ashton/Paet conversation broke earlier today it took the Tagesschau censors less than 5 minutes to remove any trace of this information from their web site …
http://urs1798.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/ashtons-telefongesprach-und-sofortige-zensur-bei-der-tagesschau-ukraine/
The only evidence is, that new government doesn’t want to investigate. Which is in fact a strong indication, not real evidence. Of course answer to “Cui Bono”, when it comes to killing on both sides, is quite obvious.
But the phone call contains other interesting info. For example that members of parliament are beaten right in front of parliament by insurgents and visited during the night. If this is how democracy works and such parliament has any legitimacy, then it’s ok to beat MPs in all countries that find this parliament legitimate as well…
@Rait:
The article does not pretend to be a serious analysis, but there is one simple question, that you can ask yourself:
Cui bono?
Given there were similar revolutions with exactly the same scenario (“crazy dictator shooting protesters”), the answer is quite obvious.
I read Asia times today and I was extremely sickened by what Francesco Sisci wrote, a brazen and pathetic attempt to smear Russia and Putin. I believe he attempted to serve as an unwitting pawn in the service of the PTB. An intellectual of such caliber selling himself like a cheap whore. Always keep your reputation intact Saker, it’s the most important thing you have.
Fernando
I’ve been trying to find this link for some time and Yul over at BoA came up with it.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/unknown-snipers-and-western-backed-regime-change/27904
This works every time
Anonymous said…
@Rait:
There are interested parties all over. Russia – yes, Europe – you bet, ultra nationalists yes, Russian unionists yes, oligarchs yes. Average folk on the street – no.
So much this >
There are interested parties all over. Russia – yes, Europe – you bet, ultra nationalists yes, Russian unionists yes, oligarchs yes. Average folk on the street – no.
BULL SHlT!!! The guy was not even sure what he heard, Russia planting microphones everywhere to try to find an alibi for mass murder.
@Anonymous:BULL SHlT!!! The guy was not even sure what he heard, Russia planting microphones everywhere to try to find an alibi for mass murder.
What ‘mass murder’. Not a SINGLE PERSON got shot by Russians so far. Your hatred blinds you. Also, that kind of intercept is not made by “planting microphones” – you are 30-40 years late here.
Get your facts first, then think about them, then post.
Cheers,
The Saker
@Rait:Your attitude here is very biased – could be that the snipers were hired by FSB too – there is not enough evidence on that.
FSB? Uh, that would be SBU in the Ukraine. But whatever. All I am personally saying is that there is overwhelming evidence (including footage) that snipers did shoot at both demonstrators and cops and that BEFORE Yanuk allowed a few Berkut snipers to deploy. After that, indeed, in cui bono>. If you think that Russia had an interest in sniping a Berkut cops, please expose your hypothesis, that would be interesting.
Finally, do some research on your own and google “sniper” and “Vilnius” and see what you come up with.
Bottom line: in this case it’s not me being biased, it’s the facts ;-p
Cheers,
The Saker
@вот так: “Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has dismissed as nothing but a provocation the alleged photos and videos in mass media of Russian military hardware in Crimea
That is not very smart imho. He and Putin should either stick to what the Americans call NDNC (neither deny nor confirm) or simply fess up that they sent some forces in to protect Crimea.
My 2cts,
Cheers,
The Saker
Testing whether my hypothesis gets through
Seems my previous post did not get through, so let me try again:
All I am personally saying is that there is overwhelming evidence (including footage)
No you are not saying that, you are saying that Europeans knew that the snipers on the Maidan square were not sent by Yanukovich.
Before i see ballistics analysis of both demonstrators and police victims (and the investigation overseen by those demonized western experts) i would be very cautious to pull out final conclusions.
On hypothesis – i am inclining more towards oligarch (maybe even nationalist) element being behind shootings than Russia. However i would not rule it out either. Why? Russia does have political and economical interests in Ukraine, its 3d biggest trading partner, its important gas imp/exporter, it has big ethnic russian population and it has important military bases for south water access, Russia just bought shares as ruble/stocks are down (however this is most likely side effect not specific interest).
Why would Russia get its own forces deployed and shoot at both sides? Well same reason we see same “ethnic russians living in Ukraine” reporting in news in different cities (claiming that they live there) or why russian media shows locals speaking with central Russia (not Ukrainian Russian) accent – get the partys sided to extreme. We do know there is ultra nationalist element in Ukraine, we do know that east of Ukraine is ethnically/historically inclining more towards Russia. If you get everyone on their back foot, you insert the troops, controll the media get new govt installed hold referendum and voila – even the ones that might have hesitating joining Russia in first place are now doing that as the situation gets more tense and tense.