The ‘attack’ on the Russian train stands out a odd, in the sense that it smells like one of those dreaded ‘black ops.’ My gut tells me there’s something sinister about this one. Anyone else got that feeling too?
Dearest Elen,
I’m sure you don’t read this, but I want to thank you for doing your job and bringing us the news. I hope one day it will be about victory or happiness, but for now we have to make do with what we have. I also hope that one day you will be able to join friends and family in daily life routines such as pick nicks and outdoor life.
Although I try not to judge people, I wonder whether I want to have them on my platoon/team as we’re about to be dropped deep behind enemy lines. Fwiiw, you’re on/in.
Good news about the 400 Ukraine troops resigning. If that happens every day, the zionazis will be left with just themselves, their mercs and some useless bandera nazi cannon fodder to terrorise the east with, in no time flat.
Also, I read the twitterers later denied they agreed to dispose of the bandera bum bandit accounts. The outfit is run by LCD scum, anyway.
Q: Good news about the 400 Ukraine troops resigning.
R: That, in itself is good news indeed. However, have you watched Putin’s adviser’s speech? He predicts there will be about 1/2 million RW nuts next year. With that much unemployment… how many men will sign up?
The usual suspects try so hard to execute their ‘divide & rule’ ploy, but for now it doesn’t work.
Roman Pogorelov on the West’s next target for a “colour revolution”:
The problem of separatism is not a new one for China. It is unlikely that the West is not using inter-ethnic conflicts within the PRC to its own ends. The “Arab Spring”, according to its American ideologues (it is worth noting that not everyone in the western leadership shared this idea), should have raised the tide of controlled chaos which afflicted the Caucasus and Central Asia, and struck a blow not only in the Muslim regions of Russia, but also appeared in Chinese Xinjiang. The stumbling block in this regard was Syria, over which Moscow and Beijing both took a categorical position, knowing full well that it represented a threat to them both. To compensate for the loss on the Syrian front, the Americans managed to accelerate a similar scenario in Ukraine, which was scheduled for 2015-2016. But despite turning to plan B, the civil war in Syria is still far from over. The unrest in neighboring Turkey should also be mentioned. In general, regardless of how events develop in the Middle East, the logical next step is a worsening situation in the countries of Central Asia (especially after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan), which, in its turn, will have an impact on China’s sensitive Xinjiang province.
Seth Ferris on the trail of odious characters as US-ambassadors in Georgia and elsewhere:
[When US-embassies] say “reports have recently appeared which give a false impression of US policy in this country,” they really mean that they can’t actually deny what’s in those reports, but they want people to look at something else instead. Understandable, perhaps but keep in mind that the US taxpayer is paying for what its embassies do, and most of those taxpayers would never agree to such things being done in their name.
One country where such language is used is Georgia. The words used above are a verbatim quote from a US Embassy press release which appeared after the Richard E. Lugar Center, the now-notorious bio weapons lab near Tbilisi Airport and another one in Kutaisi were uncovered. So if the US cannot disprove the claims made against it, how can anyone tell what the US really represents?
Yes, the US-Empire can… …murder people it does not like and get away with it.
Liberal professors and human rights groups and the United Nations were claiming an inability to know whether drone murders were legal or not because they hadn’t seen the memo that the White House said legalized them. Some may continue to claim that the redactions in the memo make judgment impossible.
I expect most, however, will now be willing to drop the pretense that ANY memo could possibly legalize murder.
Oh, and yall can stop telling me not to use the impolite term “murder” to describe the, you know, murders — since “murder” is precisely the term used by the no-longer secret memo.
dill = slang term for Ukrainian forces – normally refers to the green salad sprinklings you see on top of bowls of borsch.
Raisin = the town of Izyum where a lot of Ukr staging happens. Slavic = Slavyansk and Little Raspberry = Malinovka
Red Estuary = Krasny Liman the area of which is under massive attack because it’s the direction that Slavyansk has been resupplied. That’s why towns in western Lugansk have also seen action you wouldn’t otherwise expect.
If western journalists weren’t clueless, one of them would write an interesting story about how the online translators are making these mistakes. But that would mean that one of them is actually attempting to understand the situation from a direct source.
Seemorerocks reports on a possible Poroshenko u turn on the cease fire following a conversation with Merkel. The analysis is provided by Alexander mercoulis. Any thoughts, Saker? My main thought is that actions govern whilst words are cheap.
Interestingly, Mineset speculates on the effects of increasing and possibly synchronised attacks on the US financial system which may finally reveal the US for the paper tiger that it really is.
“Putin asks Federation Council to cancel resolution on use of Russian forces in Ukraine” Ria.
WTF?
More backstabbing or are Novorossiya considered strong enough to handle this by them self, without even without the slightest hope of a Russian intervention to stop the genocide? Obviously the Nazi genocidal plan stay´s the same…
In response to EU sanctions against crimeans and crimean products. Being now Crimea part of Russia, this sactions amount to a saction against Russia, that could then backfire targeting specific products coming from the EU (selecting where it hurts more, respect to the type and origin).
Moreover, the RF could also im pose a freezing of bank accounts and properties of selected ukrainian oligarks (many of them have properties in Crimea).
Well, for all who are waiting for an imminent Russian invasion:
Russian news agencies say President Vladimir Putin has asked parliament to cancel a resolution that sanctions the use of military force in Ukraine. Putin wrote to the head of parliament’s upper house asking that a March 1 request authorizing the use of force in neighboring Ukraine be withdrawn.
This can be reversed at a moments notice should conditions appreciably change. Look, there nothing remotely viable about Ukraine as it is presently constituted. Putin recognizes that collapse is only a matter of time. For example, due to the new pre-payment demand for gas deliveries and subsequent shutoff, there’s no hot water in Kiev. Wait till winter…
HI ! Each day I read a lot about this crise. I’m from Quebec, Canada. French speaker. I don’t speak Ukrainian nor russian langage. But I search a lot on the news paper from there, using the google translator.
Here is a link that can interest you, showing mothers in west of Ukraine, manifesting and blocking the trafic. They are combattants mothers. What are they saying ??? http://fakty.ictv.ua/ua/index/read-news/id/1519261
Ukrainian lawmaker admits half Azov battalion fighting in Donbass composed of criminals
“The fact that people has been formerly convicted is not a stigma for life. I want to tell you: half of the fighters of the Azov special division have been formerly convicted,” the Ukrainian parliamentarian said in an interview. A fragment of the video was posted on the YouTube page of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
“Putin asks to cancel the resolution to help Novorossia when genocide occurs.”
I am sure Bakunin will explain this….by asking for the source, and possibly references, of this marvelous Putin’s move….
It always amazes me how a person tends to call for a war from a cozy, warm place somewhere in the West while eating popcorn, drinking coca-cola and browsing the Internet asking Putin to destroy the same West that they have decided to move to so they would have better life.
Putin does not need permission to defend Russia. This is a deception he uses to mollify Kiev, to fake out the West Europeans.
Do you think he will not keep supplying and using assets inside Ukraine?
Keep in mind his goals vis a vis NATO and EU domination of Ukraine.
He will never allow Ukraine to go to the West. He will never allow NATO in Odessa.
Check out GO, weiqi, and see how stones and space are used to defeat the opponent.
This is a long war, a long game of strategy. Putin is a planner, a manipulator of other people’s self interests.
He will bleed Kiev of opportunity. He can keep them destabilized in perpetuity.
The West’s sanctions are comical. Russia just had India ask for extension of the Siberia Power gas line project to come from China to India. Deal will be made.
In the economic war, Russia is doing very well. In the regional destabilization, the US is getting desperate. Poland is balking. Austria stepped up for the South Pipeline. Bulgaria has to choose gas or charcoal. The fact of life is most people will get off the Good Ship Lollypop/ USS Titanic II and join with the Eurasian future. It will be the cash rich, mega market of the globe. If you want investment and growth, you turn to China and Russia. If you want death and destruction of your economy, go with Washington.
Putin is playing steps ahead. What looks like capitulation is more bait for Kiev to gut itself. It is like giving crack to an addict.
The West is arming up militarily for war in the Eurasian theatre. This will never happen. Thus, Putin is forcing Europe to waste more billions. Remember, this is a proto-war, an economic war. It is asymmetrical. A ‘regional power’ versus the Hegemon.
The West and Kiev as its puppet are anti-life, anti-God, anti-Nature. They are nihilistic. They are caught in their blood lust, flailing at their own cultures and eating their own. Putin understands the devil.
As for JC’s question about the Russian Drone film, there was video of the border artillery attacks from the Ukies that played on RT yesterday, documenting the shelling of Russian border areas.
I suspect Russians have aerial and satellite photo documentation of the effects of the destruction of towns and villages. This will be used later. It will be part of the International War Crimes case against Kiev.
My thinking is that Russia will demand a regime change in Kiev at some point in the game. Can’t have criminals running a government getting dressed up to receive IMF loans. War criminals with swastikas getting loans? Child killers getting loans?
Putin is a legalistic guy. He is building a case for war crimes.
Meanwhile, everything is economic. And he wants to get paid for the gas Ukies have used.
I may be delusional, but I think VV Putin is the most interesting man in the world, at the top of his game, and light years ahead of the ghouls he is fighting.
It is clear that Putin believes in the law and that it applies to everyone. He also is aware that war should be the last resort not the first.
In my view, Putin is indirectly asking the Federation Council to reaffirm the resolution, indicating that the Russians stand together and accepts the potential consequences of starting military action. If this is the case, and the resolution is maintained, it will allow Putin to act quickly at very short notice should it be necessary.
The faith in legal process is also illustrated by the actions raised against Kolomoisky et al. I’m sure the requests for arrest are supported by evidence, some of which is now in the public domain. I’m sure the Russian intelligence service could kill if necessary but that is not Putin’s way. It will be interesting to see if Kolomoisky hightails it to Israel. If so, it puts Israel on the spot, given it’s purported neutrality over Ukraine. Would they surrender Kolomoisky? Or would they follow the Halakhah?
Nine people are feared dead after self-defense forces in the Donetsk region shot down a Ukrainian army helicopter, which was used for transporting military cargo, a Kiev spokesman said.
“Yes, it was brought down,” eastern Ukraine military operation spokesman, Vladislav Seleznyov, said when asked by Reuters about the helicopter’s fate.
“There was a three-man crew, in all nine people,” the spokesman is cited as saying.
BobS (24 June, 2014 12:55) spelled it out for you:
“Putin asks to cancel the resolution to help Novorossia when genocide occurs. … Please, Saker, explain to us what is behind this. Just like another question: why are Kolomoiski and Yarosh still breathing?”
KIEV (Reuters) – A Ukrainian helicopter used for carrying military cargo was brought down by rebel fire near the town of Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine on Tuesday and nine people were feared dead, a government forces spokesman said.
Asked about reports that a helicopter had been shot down, the spokesman, Vladyslav Seleznyov, said: “Yes. It was brought down.”
Asked about dead, he replied: “There was a three-man crew, in all nine people (on board).”
Dmytro Tymchuk, a military analyst known to have good sources in the armed forces, said the helicopter had been brought down by a missile fired from a shoulder-held launcher.
Keep calm everyone. You have to laugh at how fickle and sheeplike people are, even those who ought to know better. Honestly those who react to the slightest puff of wind this way or that with accusations of betraying Novorussia, etc. etc.
Don’t worry. The Russian government knows exactly what they’re doing and where they’re heading. And it has to be a very long and extremely crafty path (actually a multitude of separate paths).
“The problem of separatism is not a new one for China. It is unlikely that the West is not using inter-ethnic conflicts within the PRC to its own ends. The “Arab Spring”, according to its American ideologues (it is worth noting that not everyone in the western leadership shared this idea), should have raised the tide of controlled chaos which afflicted the Caucasus and Central Asia, and struck a blow not only in the Muslim regions of Russia, but also appeared in Chinese Xinjiang. The stumbling block in this regard was Syria, over which Moscow and Beijing both took a categorical position, knowing full well that it represented a threat to them both. To compensate for the loss on the Syrian front, the Americans managed to accelerate a similar scenario in Ukraine, which was scheduled for 2015-2016. But despite turning to plan B, the civil war in Syria is still far from over. The unrest in neighboring Turkey should also be mentioned. In general, regardless of how events develop in the Middle East, the logical next step is a worsening situation in the countries of Central Asia (especially after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan), which, in its turn, will have an impact on China’s sensitive Xinjiang province.”
Hello friends just an update from China about this. The Americans have been trying this for the last 50 years. So far it has not worked. The CCP has tight control over all forms of media for this very reason, so that American NGO’s cannot spread their propaganda through things like facebook/twitter indiscriminately.
Recently American media reported “hundreds of thousands” voting for democracy in Hong Kong. This sounds like bad news but is meaningless. Hong Kong is where I grew up. It is a city of 8 million people and 600,000 is nothing. There have been millions on the street for pro-democracy demonstrations in the past. The CCP will not tolerate any serious ethnic/cultural divisions.
Also in China people remember with much pain the suffering that weakness and internal division will bring. The CCP, in its measured but consistent claims to the South China sea, enjoys domestic support. For Chinese people, the CCP is seen as helping to correct the wrongs of the past, and the bring millions of people out of poverty. For this reason the CCP has the genuine respect of the people in China and regime change is highly unlikely.
Though I’m also shaking my head at Putin’s move asking to rescind the resolution, I’m also thinking that Putin, being a geo-political chess master, is probably thinking of the long game. This move essentially pulls the rugs out of any claims that they’re being “aggressive” and “imperialistic”, thus coating the real aggressors’ faces with egg. Like it’s been so often in the comments here, you give the enemy what he wants.
Has he abandoned Novorussiya? I highly doubt it. I expect this play is a behind-the-scenes gambit of some sort.
That said, I’m still very curious to hear what Saker, Bakunin and everyone else has to say about this.
I believe Moscow is working very hard on Europe behind the scene. Note Putin’s comments from Austria where the South Stream deal was signed (from RT): ” President Putin has stressed that negotiations should not just focus on stopping military actions. There should be dialogue “about specific arrangements between all sides in the conflict.”
At the same time, Kiev should not be demanding disarmament in eastern Ukraine, given that “radical elements like the Right Sector and other radical [groups] are not yet disarmed, despite repeatedly talking about that and basically promising that illegal groups will lay down arms.”
“In such conditions demanding militia to lay down arms, in my opinion, makes no sense,” Putin said.
Nevertheless, the existing ceasefire and the start of negotiations “is definitely a right decision,” the Russian president concluded. He added that Russia is interested in creating conditions “for a peaceful process” in Ukraine.
“This is what my appeal to the Upper House is connected with,” Putin said, responding to a journalist’s question about the presidential request to the Federation Council which is aimed at repealing the resolution on the use of Russian armed forces on the territory of Ukraine.
President Putin also stressed that his appeal will not mean that Russia “will not be paying attention to what is going on there.”
Moscow will continue to protect the rights of the ethnic Russian-speaking population in Ukraine – “hopefully” without the involvement of military forces.
“We, of course, will not only be closely following, but also reacting in an appropriate way [to events in Ukraine]. I hope that armed forces will not be needed for that,” he said.”
This move is a way to put additional pressure on European capitals to be constructive and help pressure Kiev to settle. I think Russia must have a great deal of information about the overall state of Ukraine and the junta government. Clearly the authorization is not the only legal avenue to support intervention – should it be deemed necessary.
I believe this is consistent with the overall strategy: Russia will protect its interests; Russia will honor its commitments and contracts; Russia will point out hypocrisy in the pronouncements and actions of other players; Russia will use accepted legal means to pursue its interests; Russia will be happy any time to enter negotiations on any subject provided all parties agree to deal honestly with the subject at hand and are actually committed to finding an acceptable compromise; Russia will announce its intentions clearly, honestly, and transparently: waiting for partners to step up to the plate. Should they not then don’t blame Russia for pursuing its goals unilaterally.
Thank you for your insights. That was my sense of it too, so I’m grateful that you were able to articulate it so well.
And I agree with you, Larchmonter445. Putin is the most interesting man in the world right now. When this epochal event plays out he is assured of a special and notable place in the history books.
I usually agree with pretty much everything you say but this:
“Liberal professors and human rights groups and the United Nations were claiming an inability to know whether drone murders were legal or not because they hadn’t seen the memo that the White House said legalized them. Some may continue to claim that the redactions in the memo make judgment impossible.”
is a step too far. The UN = the US and most human rights groups have been compromised, I’ll agree with you there. But “Liberal professors” ????? Name some — and mind you, even if you could name one hundred– which I am sure you can not — you’re slurring an entire group of people with no facts behind you at all. I could attribute something equally negative to Southern gas station attendants, for example, and it would be equally outrageous. And equally nasty.
In my experience, there are two groups of people who use that phrase: rightwing propagandists who damned well know better but find channeling reverse-classism (“elites” accomplishes much the same thing) into political resentment a conveniently effective part of brainwashing the masses; and people who have more than likely never known either a Liberal or a professor. I don’t think you fall into either of those categories.
If you’re going to slur Liberals — and it’s something that can be done quite well, actually — please quote facts. Most Liberal professors we know, like most Liberals, don’t like drones in the least. One could even call them adamantly opposed, regardless of their attitude towards Obama (in my experience, some still support him, some don’t, most are conflicted but still really don’t get it).
Slurring a group of people without any data behind the slurs tends to backfire on the slurrer, you know? And I really don’t think that of you.
“Slurring a group of people without any data behind the slurs tends to backfire on the slurrer, you know?”
Interesting post Nora.
So it’s perfectly fine in your book to say “the Tea Party movement is all astroturf & a fake grassroots movement but it’s not okay to say:
“Liberal professors and human rights groups and the United Nations were claiming an inability to know whether drone murders were legal or not because they hadn’t seen the memo that the White House said legalized them.”
You’re talking apples and oranges. The Tea Party movement started, as planned, on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade or Stock Exchange, I forget which, but the guy’s outburst was televised and the paper trail from Koch Brothers actually exists.
You know, facts.
Now, please tell me WHICH Liberal professors you’re talking about. Name them. Because otherwise, you’re talking hot air.
Bakunin said… Roman Pogorelov on the West’s next target for a “colour revolution”:
The problem of separatism is not a new one for China. It is unlikely that the West is not using inter-ethnic conflicts within the PRC to its own ends. The “Arab Spring”, according to its American ideologues (it is worth noting that not everyone in the western leadership shared this idea), should have raised the tide of controlled chaos which afflicted the Caucasus and Central Asia, and struck a blow not only in the Muslim regions of Russia, but also appeared in Chinese Xinjiang. The stumbling block in this regard was Syria, over which Moscow and Beijing both took a categorical position, knowing full well that it represented a threat to them both. To compensate for the loss on the Syrian front, the Americans managed to accelerate a similar scenario in Ukraine, which was scheduled for 2015-2016. But despite turning to plan B, the civil war in Syria is still far from over. The unrest in neighboring Turkey should also be mentioned. In general, regardless of how events develop in the Middle East, the logical next step is a worsening situation in the countries of Central Asia (especially after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan), which, in its turn, will have an impact on China’s sensitive Xinjiang province.
The Imperialist West and American Empire specialize in divide-and-conquering other nations.
It is an inbred instinct of the Anglo-Americans and Europeans to covertly and not-so-covertly to balkanize countries by fomenting ethnic, religious, or other sectarian divisions. Yugoslavia, Sudan, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Russia and China have all been target of this sinister stratagem past and present and no doubt future.
What needs to be done to counter this European-American imperial tactic is: GIVE THE WEST A TASTE OF ITS OWN MEDICINE.
I don’t understand why these targeted nations don’t sponsor and support the independence movements inside the American Empire or European nations or even host “governments-in-exiles” as the West routinely does. As the very least, they should give media publicity to promote these movements.
God knows there are many significant movements for national independence in the West like the Lakota Republic, Hawaiian independence, Aztlan, Quebec, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Bavaria, Catalonia, Basque, Sicily, Corsica, Aboriginal and Maori nations.
Bakunin said… Roman Pogorelov on the West’s next target for a “colour revolution”:
The problem of separatism is not a new one for China. It is unlikely that the West is not using inter-ethnic conflicts within the PRC to its own ends. The “Arab Spring”, according to its American ideologues (it is worth noting that not everyone in the western leadership shared this idea), should have raised the tide of controlled chaos which afflicted the Caucasus and Central Asia, and struck a blow not only in the Muslim regions of Russia, but also appeared in Chinese Xinjiang. The stumbling block in this regard was Syria, over which Moscow and Beijing both took a categorical position, knowing full well that it represented a threat to them both. To compensate for the loss on the Syrian front, the Americans managed to accelerate a similar scenario in Ukraine, which was scheduled for 2015-2016. But despite turning to plan B, the civil war in Syria is still far from over. The unrest in neighboring Turkey should also be mentioned. In general, regardless of how events develop in the Middle East, the logical next step is a worsening situation in the countries of Central Asia (especially after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan), which, in its turn, will have an impact on China’s sensitive Xinjiang province.
The Imperialist West and American Empire specialize in divide-and-conquering other nations.
It is an inbred instinct of the Anglo-Americans and Europeans to covertly and not-so-covertly to balkanize countries by fomenting ethnic, religious, or other sectarian divisions. Yugoslavia, Sudan, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Russia and China have all been target of this sinister stratagem past and present and no doubt future.
What needs to be done to counter this European-American imperial tactic is: GIVE THE WEST A TASTE OF ITS OWN MEDICINE.
I don’t understand why these targeted nations don’t sponsor and support the independence movements inside the American Empire or European nations or even host “governments-in-exiles” as the West routinely does. As the very least, they should give media publicity to promote these movements.
God knows there are many significant movements for national independence in the West like the Lakota Republic, Hawaiian independence, Aztlan, Quebec, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Bavaria, Catalonia, Basque, Sicily, Corsica, Aboriginal and Maori nations.
“You’re talking apples and oranges. The Tea Party movement started, as planned, on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade or Stock Exchange, I forget which, but the guy’s outburst was televised and the paper trail from Koch Brothers actually exists.
You know, facts.”
While you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, you are the one “talking hot air” & are “factually challenged” :)
The modern Tea Party movement was actually started during the Ron Paul presidential campaign back in 2007.
1. Ron Paul held *a* Tea Party money bomb long before the Republicans needed a GOTV get-around; I remember it well bc we were pretty big fans of his bc of his stance on Palestine. He did not found it even though he got — and accepted — credit for it after the fact. At that time the typical Tea Party member didn’t even know who he was or what he stood for; nor did they necessarily agree with him on much of it. It was organized by the Republican Party as a way of getting disgruntled Republicans to vote in the 2010 mid-terms and funded by big money, though lots of grifters made a fortune from various local franchises. Don’t believe me, Google Americans for Prosperity, Citizens For A Sound Economy or Freedom Works — astroturf all. And statements by NBC News, or Tucker Carlson’s rag, are not facts, they’re just statements. Anyone can make one.
2. Now, since I never even mentioned the Tea Party, let’s get back to what I was talking about: the use of the word Liberal as a slur, with utterly undocumented allusions to college professors. Facts, please. If you can’t even cite a survey finding that x% of Liberal college professors think such-and-such about drones, then at least name a few you know, or know of, who happen to think that way. Facts = data = evidence. Try them some time.
3. If you’re still fighting the culture wars, you’re part of the problem, not the solution. Doing that is exactly what the Empire WANTS us to do — it diverts us from the important stuff — and imnsho both sides are equally brainwashed and no more than chickens fighting for Colonel Sanders. So go ahead, you do that if you want or need to: I’m not at all interested.
1. You are still “talking hot air & still “factually challenged.
It is quite clear from your previous posts that you are a lefty & not a libertarian.
Which is why I intentionally used a left leaning NBC News link & a Neocon leaning link (I could have easily used libertarian links, but that’s way too easy) to prove a point & to clearly show what is COMMON KNOWLEDGE & FACT:
Ron Paul & his supporters started the modern day Tea Party movement back in 2007 as part of Ron Paul’s presidential campaign.
This Btw happened way before the Santelli rant, before the Koch bros, Beck, Hannity, Bachmann, Dick Armey & the Neocons managed to CO-OPT some of the Tea Party groups.
2. In some of your previous posts you did slur the Tea Party. So when you decided to lecture Bakunin on slurring a group of people, I merely pointed out that maybe you ought to practice what you preach :)
Oh btw, the only liberal college professor that matters, that has great influence & that does think it’s okay to be doing drone strikes left & right is Obama.
3. Again, you need to practice what you preach.
Like Bakunin, you are painting with a very broad brush. All liberals aren’t______. All Tea Party people aren’t______. All libertarians aren’t_____. All communists aren’t______. All Croations aren’t Ustashe.
Do you get the idea???
The Banderists don’t & are finding out the hard way, that when you fire on, literally and figuratively, on an entire group of people, you bloody well can expect that some of them will fire back on you.
You have not a clue of my political activities or beliefs. Not a friggin’ clue.
For example, we were invited to donate to Ron Paul’s Tea Party money bomb. And did. I know EXACTLY what it was — and wasn’t — at that time. You only know the after-the-fact propaganda you swallowed whole.
One more example: I’ve been criticizing — and actively working against various elements of — the Left for more than 50 years now.
And yes, as long as you continue blindly attacking *what you perceive to be* the Left, without having a clue of the facts of the issue or the very serious flaws on “your team”, I’ll continue to call you a brainwashed chicken fighting for Colonel Sanders.
The ‘attack’ on the Russian train stands out a odd, in the sense that it smells like one of those dreaded ‘black ops.’ My gut tells me there’s something sinister about this one. Anyone else got that feeling too?
Dearest Elen,
I’m sure you don’t read this, but I want to thank you for doing your job and bringing us the news. I hope one day it will be about victory or happiness, but for now we have to make do with what we have. I also hope that one day you will be able to join friends and family in daily life routines such as pick nicks and outdoor life.
Although I try not to judge people, I wonder whether I want to have them on my platoon/team as we’re about to be dropped deep behind enemy lines. Fwiiw, you’re on/in.
:[]: = hug
Daniel
http://www.russiaherald.com/index.php/sid/223128419/scat/70b0e247ff7c0078/ht/Russia-issues-arrest-warrant-for-two-Ukraine-officials
I think someone should look into this. News to me. (I ran across a comment in Russian, but can’t really read the language — Google transl, edited:
“Re the renunciation of nuclear weapons Europe should pay Ukraine $160 billion under the current and signed document.
“Signing of the Association Agreement terminates all existing points of the 1996 treaty.
“Now you understand why they organized Maidan?”
He gives links (Russian):
http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22550
http://zakon4.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/998_012/?
Money like that can bribe a lot of people into doing your bidding.
If this is true, it should become widely known!
I read a crazy thing yesterday that planted worries.
Is Odessa currently O.K?
Oppression? People disappearing? U.S. ships?
I would welcome being relieved of this worry.
Good news about the 400 Ukraine troops resigning. If that happens every day, the zionazis will be left with just themselves, their mercs and some useless bandera nazi cannon fodder to terrorise the east with, in no time flat.
Also, I read the twitterers later denied they agreed to dispose of the bandera bum bandit accounts. The outfit is run by LCD scum, anyway.
In the previous thread, Larchmonter445 said,
“You saw Russian drone film from last night. Next we’ll get a taste of Russian satellite photos to suit the situation.
Does anybody know what he was referring to? Thanks in advance.
@ BOT TAK,
Q: Good news about the 400 Ukraine troops resigning.
R: That, in itself is good news indeed. However, have you watched Putin’s adviser’s speech? He predicts there will be about 1/2 million RW nuts next year. With that much unemployment… how many men will sign up?
The usual suspects try so hard to execute their ‘divide & rule’ ploy, but for now it doesn’t work.
Roman Pogorelov on the West’s next target for a “colour revolution”:
The problem of separatism is not a new one for China. It is unlikely that the West is not using inter-ethnic conflicts within the PRC to its own ends. The “Arab Spring”, according to its American ideologues (it is worth noting that not everyone in the western leadership shared this idea), should have raised the tide of controlled chaos which afflicted the Caucasus and Central Asia, and struck a blow not only in the Muslim regions of Russia, but also appeared in Chinese Xinjiang. The stumbling block in this regard was Syria, over which Moscow and Beijing both took a categorical position, knowing full well that it represented a threat to them both. To compensate for the loss on the Syrian front, the Americans managed to accelerate a similar scenario in Ukraine, which was scheduled for 2015-2016. But despite turning to plan B, the civil war in Syria is still far from over. The unrest in neighboring Turkey should also be mentioned. In general, regardless of how events develop in the Middle East, the logical next step is a worsening situation in the countries of Central Asia (especially after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan), which, in its turn, will have an impact on China’s sensitive Xinjiang province.
Chinese Spring? – NEO
по русски:
Китайская весна? – НВО
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Seth Ferris on the trail of odious characters as US-ambassadors in Georgia and elsewhere:
[When US-embassies] say “reports have recently appeared which give a false impression of US policy in this country,” they really mean that they can’t actually deny what’s in those reports, but they want people to look at something else instead. Understandable, perhaps but keep in mind that the US taxpayer is paying for what its embassies do, and most of those taxpayers would never agree to such things being done in their name.
One country where such language is used is Georgia. The words used above are a verbatim quote from a US Embassy press release which appeared after the Richard E. Lugar Center, the now-notorious bio weapons lab near Tbilisi Airport and another one in Kutaisi were uncovered. So if the US cannot disprove the claims made against it, how can anyone tell what the US really represents?
What US Ambassadors to Georgia Really Say About American Values – NEO
Б.
Yes, the US-Empire can…
…murder people it does not like and get away with it.
Liberal professors and human rights groups and the United Nations were claiming an inability to know whether drone murders were legal or not because they hadn’t seen the memo that the White House said legalized them. Some may continue to claim that the redactions in the memo make judgment impossible.
I expect most, however, will now be willing to drop the pretense that ANY memo could possibly legalize murder.
Oh, and yall can stop telling me not to use the impolite term “murder” to describe the, you know, murders — since “murder” is precisely the term used by the no-longer secret memo.
So That’s Why They Kept The Drone Kill Memo Secret – War Is A Crime
Б.
When using online translations, keep this in mind
dill = slang term for Ukrainian forces – normally refers to the green salad sprinklings you see on top of bowls of borsch.
Raisin = the town of Izyum where a lot of Ukr staging happens. Slavic = Slavyansk and Little Raspberry = Malinovka
Red Estuary = Krasny Liman the area of which is under massive attack because it’s the direction that Slavyansk has been resupplied. That’s why towns in western Lugansk have also seen action you wouldn’t otherwise expect.
If western journalists weren’t clueless, one of them would write an interesting story about how the online translators are making these mistakes. But that would mean that one of them is actually attempting to understand the situation from a direct source.
Seemorerocks reports on a possible Poroshenko u turn on the cease fire following a conversation with Merkel. The analysis is provided by Alexander mercoulis. Any thoughts, Saker? My main thought is that actions govern whilst words are cheap.
Interestingly, Mineset speculates on the effects of increasing and possibly synchronised attacks on the US financial system which may finally reveal the US for the paper tiger that it really is.
Lazlo 01:26
That is excellent news. This fits in very well with Putin’s policy of being judged by how many missiles he doesn’t fire.
“Putin asks Federation Council to cancel resolution on use of Russian forces in Ukraine” Ria.
WTF?
More backstabbing or are Novorossiya considered strong enough to handle this by them self, without even without the slightest hope of a Russian intervention to stop the genocide? Obviously the Nazi genocidal plan stay´s the same…
Mikhas
So what do you make of this?
“Putin proposes canceling resolution on using Russian armed forces in Ukraine – Kremlin”
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_24/Putin-proposes-canceling-resolution-on-using-Russian-armed-forces-in-Ukraine-spokesperson-6293/
A hint to the ‘rebels’ (in their negotiation) that he has better things to do than nurse-maid Ukrainian dysfunction.
aka: “Get on with it, work it out, and pay your fig’n gas bills”
However it does look that a cease fire has been accepted http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/ukraine-separatists-ceasefire-luhansk-donetsk?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2
http://rense.com/general96/natokillers.html
Federation Council committee to back revocation of permission to use Russian troops in Ukraine – head of committee:
http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=515641
India wants to discuss extension of Russia-China gas pipeline to its own border:
http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?pg=5&id=515488
12:39
Russia turns 85 Ukrainian border guards over to Kyiv, 15 soldiers refuse to return
14:25
About 17,000 Interior police personnel dismissed in Ukraine – [Ukranian] Interior Ministry
And, by the way, South Ossetia is about to organize a referendum on becoming a part of Russia.
Sanctions
In response to EU sanctions against crimeans and crimean products. Being now Crimea part of Russia, this sactions amount to a saction against Russia, that could then backfire targeting specific products coming from the EU (selecting where it hurts more, respect to the type and origin).
Moreover, the RF could also im
pose a freezing of bank accounts and properties of selected ukrainian oligarks (many of them have properties in Crimea).
[US] Deputy Secretary of State, Gregory Kausner, has visited a training center of the National Guard of Ukraine, the official website of the Ministry of Interior of the country reports. It is emphasized that Kausner is responsible for the issues of military assistance.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_24/US-State-Department-promises-financial-humanitarian-assistance-to-Ukraines-National-Guard-0808/9
Putin asks to cancel the resolution to help Novorossia when genocide occurs.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_24/Putin-proposes-canceling-resolution-on-using-Russian-armed-forces-in-Ukraine-spokesperson-6293/
Please, Saker, explain to us what is behind this. Just like another question: why are Kolomoiski and Yarosh still breathing?
Well, for all who are waiting for an imminent Russian invasion:
Russian news agencies say President Vladimir Putin has asked parliament to cancel a resolution that sanctions the use of military force in Ukraine. Putin wrote to the head of parliament’s upper house asking that a March 1 request authorizing the use of force in neighboring Ukraine be withdrawn.
http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2014/06/24/report-putin-canceling-threat-of-force
I’m not one of those who have been wanting Russia to formally invade Ukraine; but this has me shaking my head.
This can be reversed at a moments notice should conditions appreciably change. Look, there nothing remotely viable about Ukraine as it is presently constituted. Putin recognizes that collapse is only a matter of time. For example, due to the new pre-payment demand for gas deliveries and subsequent shutoff, there’s no hot water in Kiev. Wait till winter…
HI !
Each day I read a lot about this crise. I’m from Quebec, Canada. French speaker. I don’t speak Ukrainian nor russian langage. But I search a lot on the news paper from there, using the google translator.
Here is a link that can interest you, showing mothers in west of Ukraine, manifesting and blocking the trafic. They are combattants mothers. What are they saying ???
http://fakty.ictv.ua/ua/index/read-news/id/1519261
Ukrainian lawmaker admits half Azov battalion fighting in Donbass composed of criminals
“The fact that people has been formerly convicted is not a stigma for life. I want to tell you: half of the fighters of the Azov special division have been formerly convicted,” the Ukrainian parliamentarian said in an interview. A fragment of the video was posted on the YouTube page of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_24/Ukrainian-lawmaker-admits-half-Azov-battalion-fighting-in-Donbass-composed-of-criminals-3274/
“Putin asks to cancel the resolution to help Novorossia when genocide occurs.”
I am sure Bakunin will explain this….by asking for the source, and possibly references, of this marvelous Putin’s move….
It always amazes me how a person tends to call for a war from a cozy, warm place somewhere in the West while eating popcorn, drinking coca-cola and browsing the Internet asking Putin to destroy the same West that they have decided to move to so they would have better life.
Saker,
I second BobS’s request.
Why he take away the options? Is he going recognize Novorossia? Therefore, it is not Ukraine?
Bobs said…
Putin asks to cancel the resolution to help Novorossia when genocide occurs.
Genocide is NOT occurring.
The NDF continues to get more volunteers & weapons. There is no need for Russia to intervene militarily.
Putin does not need permission to defend Russia. This is a deception he uses to mollify Kiev, to fake out the West Europeans.
Do you think he will not keep supplying and using assets inside Ukraine?
Keep in mind his goals vis a vis NATO and EU domination of Ukraine.
He will never allow Ukraine to go to the West.
He will never allow NATO in Odessa.
Check out GO, weiqi, and see how stones and space are used to defeat the opponent.
This is a long war, a long game of strategy.
Putin is a planner, a manipulator of other people’s self interests.
He will bleed Kiev of opportunity. He can keep them destabilized in perpetuity.
The West’s sanctions are comical. Russia just had India ask for extension of the Siberia Power gas line project to come from China to India. Deal will be made.
In the economic war, Russia is doing very well.
In the regional destabilization, the US is getting desperate. Poland is balking. Austria stepped up for the South Pipeline.
Bulgaria has to choose gas or charcoal. The fact of life is most people will get off the Good Ship Lollypop/ USS Titanic II and join with the Eurasian future. It will be the cash rich, mega market of the globe. If you want investment and growth, you turn to China and Russia. If you want death and destruction of your economy, go with Washington.
Putin is playing steps ahead. What looks like capitulation is more bait for Kiev to gut itself. It is like giving crack to an addict.
The West is arming up militarily for war in the Eurasian theatre. This will never happen.
Thus, Putin is forcing Europe to waste more billions. Remember, this is a proto-war, an economic war. It is asymmetrical. A ‘regional power’ versus the Hegemon.
The West and Kiev as its puppet are anti-life, anti-God, anti-Nature. They are nihilistic. They are caught in their blood lust, flailing at their own cultures and eating their own. Putin understands the devil.
As for JC’s question about the Russian Drone film, there was video of the border artillery attacks from the Ukies that played on RT yesterday, documenting the shelling of Russian border areas.
I suspect Russians have aerial and satellite photo documentation of the effects of the destruction of towns and villages. This will be used later. It will be part of the International War Crimes case against Kiev.
My thinking is that Russia will demand a regime change in Kiev at some point in the game. Can’t have criminals running a government getting dressed up to receive IMF loans. War criminals with swastikas getting loans? Child killers getting loans?
Putin is a legalistic guy. He is building a case for war crimes.
Meanwhile, everything is economic. And he wants to get paid for the gas Ukies have used.
I may be delusional, but I think VV Putin is the most interesting man in the world, at the top of his game, and light years ahead of the ghouls he is fighting.
BobS 12:55
It is clear that Putin believes in the law and that it applies to everyone. He also is aware that war should be the last resort not the first.
In my view, Putin is indirectly asking the Federation Council to reaffirm the resolution, indicating that the Russians stand together and accepts the potential consequences of starting military action. If this is the case, and the resolution is maintained, it will allow Putin to act quickly at very short notice should it be necessary.
The faith in legal process is also illustrated by the actions raised against Kolomoisky et al. I’m sure the requests for arrest are supported by evidence, some of which is now in the public domain. I’m sure the Russian intelligence service could kill if necessary but that is not Putin’s way. It will be interesting to see if Kolomoisky hightails it to Israel. If so, it puts Israel on the spot, given it’s purported neutrality over Ukraine. Would they surrender Kolomoisky? Or would they follow the Halakhah?
Nine people are feared dead after self-defense forces in the Donetsk region shot down a Ukrainian army helicopter, which was used for transporting military cargo, a Kiev spokesman said.
“Yes, it was brought down,” eastern Ukraine military operation spokesman, Vladislav Seleznyov, said when asked by Reuters about the helicopter’s fate.
“There was a three-man crew, in all nine people,” the spokesman is cited as saying.
@VINEYARDSAKER
BobS (24 June, 2014 12:55) spelled it out for you:
“Putin asks to cancel the resolution to help Novorossia when genocide occurs.
…
Please, Saker, explain to us what is behind this. Just like another question: why are Kolomoiski and Yarosh still breathing?”
I repeat this question to you.
NDF shot down a Nazi helicopter:
KIEV (Reuters) – A Ukrainian helicopter used for carrying military cargo was brought down by rebel fire near the town of Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine on Tuesday and nine people were feared dead, a government forces spokesman said.
Asked about reports that a helicopter had been shot down, the spokesman, Vladyslav Seleznyov, said: “Yes. It was brought down.”
Asked about dead, he replied: “There was a three-man crew, in all nine people (on board).”
Dmytro Tymchuk, a military analyst known to have good sources in the armed forces, said the helicopter had been brought down by a missile fired from a shoulder-held launcher.
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-military-helicopter-downed-rebel-fire-9-feared-151026078.html
Keep calm everyone. You have to laugh at how fickle and sheeplike people are, even those who ought to know better. Honestly those who react to the slightest puff of wind this way or that with accusations of betraying Novorussia, etc. etc.
Don’t worry. The Russian government knows exactly what they’re doing and where they’re heading. And it has to be a very long and extremely crafty path (actually a multitude of separate paths).
“The problem of separatism is not a new one for China. It is unlikely that the West is not using inter-ethnic conflicts within the PRC to its own ends. The “Arab Spring”, according to its American ideologues (it is worth noting that not everyone in the western leadership shared this idea), should have raised the tide of controlled chaos which afflicted the Caucasus and Central Asia, and struck a blow not only in the Muslim regions of Russia, but also appeared in Chinese Xinjiang. The stumbling block in this regard was Syria, over which Moscow and Beijing both took a categorical position, knowing full well that it represented a threat to them both. To compensate for the loss on the Syrian front, the Americans managed to accelerate a similar scenario in Ukraine, which was scheduled for 2015-2016. But despite turning to plan B, the civil war in Syria is still far from over. The unrest in neighboring Turkey should also be mentioned. In general, regardless of how events develop in the Middle East, the logical next step is a worsening situation in the countries of Central Asia (especially after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan), which, in its turn, will have an impact on China’s sensitive Xinjiang province.”
Hello friends just an update from China about this. The Americans have been trying this for the last 50 years. So far it has not worked. The CCP has tight control over all forms of media for this very reason, so that American NGO’s cannot spread their propaganda through things like facebook/twitter indiscriminately.
Recently American media reported “hundreds of thousands” voting for democracy in Hong Kong. This sounds like bad news but is meaningless. Hong Kong is where I grew up. It is a city of 8 million people and 600,000 is nothing. There have been millions on the street for pro-democracy demonstrations in the past. The CCP will not tolerate any serious ethnic/cultural divisions.
Also in China people remember with much pain the suffering that weakness and internal division will bring. The CCP, in its measured but consistent claims to the South China sea, enjoys domestic support. For Chinese people, the CCP is seen as helping to correct the wrongs of the past, and the bring millions of people out of poverty. For this reason the CCP has the genuine respect of the people in China and regime change is highly unlikely.
Though I’m also shaking my head at Putin’s move asking to rescind the resolution, I’m also thinking that Putin, being a geo-political chess master, is probably thinking of the long game. This move essentially pulls the rugs out of any claims that they’re being “aggressive” and “imperialistic”, thus coating the real aggressors’ faces with egg. Like it’s been so often in the comments here, you give the enemy what he wants.
Has he abandoned Novorussiya? I highly doubt it. I expect this play is a behind-the-scenes gambit of some sort.
That said, I’m still very curious to hear what Saker, Bakunin and everyone else has to say about this.
I believe Moscow is working very hard on Europe behind the scene. Note Putin’s comments from Austria where the South Stream deal was signed (from RT): ” President Putin has stressed that negotiations should not just focus on stopping military actions. There should be dialogue “about specific arrangements between all sides in the conflict.”
At the same time, Kiev should not be demanding disarmament in eastern Ukraine, given that “radical elements like the Right Sector and other radical [groups] are not yet disarmed, despite repeatedly talking about that and basically promising that illegal groups will lay down arms.”
“In such conditions demanding militia to lay down arms, in my opinion, makes no sense,” Putin said.
Nevertheless, the existing ceasefire and the start of negotiations “is definitely a right decision,” the Russian president concluded. He added that Russia is interested in creating conditions “for a peaceful process” in Ukraine.
“This is what my appeal to the Upper House is connected with,” Putin said, responding to a journalist’s question about the presidential request to the Federation Council which is aimed at repealing the resolution on the use of Russian armed forces on the territory of Ukraine.
President Putin also stressed that his appeal will not mean that Russia “will not be paying attention to what is going on there.”
Moscow will continue to protect the rights of the ethnic Russian-speaking population in Ukraine – “hopefully” without the involvement of military forces.
“We, of course, will not only be closely following, but also reacting in an appropriate way [to events in Ukraine]. I hope that armed forces will not be needed for that,” he said.”
http://rt.com/news/168196-putin-ceasefire-ukraine-talks/
This move is a way to put additional pressure on European capitals to be constructive and help pressure Kiev to settle. I think Russia must have a great deal of information about the overall state of Ukraine and the junta government. Clearly the authorization is not the only legal avenue to support intervention – should it be deemed necessary.
I believe this is consistent with the overall strategy: Russia will protect its interests; Russia will honor its commitments and contracts; Russia will point out hypocrisy in the pronouncements and actions of other players; Russia will use accepted legal means to pursue its interests; Russia will be happy any time to enter negotiations on any subject provided all parties agree to deal honestly with the subject at hand and are actually committed to finding an acceptable compromise; Russia will announce its intentions clearly, honestly, and transparently: waiting for partners to step up to the plate. Should they not then don’t blame Russia for pursuing its goals unilaterally.
Larchmonter445 and the pessimist…
Thank you for your insights. That was my sense of it too, so I’m grateful that you were able to articulate it so well.
And I agree with you, Larchmonter445. Putin is the most interesting man in the world right now. When this epochal event plays out he is assured of a special and notable place in the history books.
Bakunin,
I usually agree with pretty much everything you say but this:
“Liberal professors and human rights groups and the United Nations were claiming an inability to know whether drone murders were legal or not because they hadn’t seen the memo that the White House said legalized them. Some may continue to claim that the redactions in the memo make judgment impossible.”
is a step too far. The UN = the US and most human rights groups have been compromised, I’ll agree with you there. But “Liberal professors” ????? Name some — and mind you, even if you could name one hundred– which I am sure you can not — you’re slurring an entire group of people with no facts behind you at all. I could attribute something equally negative to Southern gas station attendants, for example, and it would be equally outrageous. And equally nasty.
In my experience, there are two groups of people who use that phrase: rightwing propagandists who damned well know better but find channeling reverse-classism (“elites” accomplishes much the same thing) into political resentment a conveniently effective part of brainwashing the masses; and people who have more than likely never known either a Liberal or a professor. I don’t think you fall into either of those categories.
If you’re going to slur Liberals — and it’s something that can be done quite well, actually — please quote facts. Most Liberal professors we know, like most Liberals, don’t like drones in the least. One could even call them adamantly opposed, regardless of their attitude towards Obama (in my experience, some still support him, some don’t, most are conflicted but still really don’t get it).
Slurring a group of people without any data behind the slurs tends to backfire on the slurrer, you know? And I really don’t think that of you.
Nora said…
“Slurring a group of people without any data behind the slurs tends to backfire on the slurrer, you know?”
Interesting post Nora.
So it’s perfectly fine in your book to say “the Tea Party movement is all astroturf & a fake grassroots movement but it’s not okay to say:
“Liberal professors and human rights groups and the United Nations were claiming an inability to know whether drone murders were legal or not because they hadn’t seen the memo that the White House said legalized them.”
Meezer
Meezer,
You’re talking apples and oranges. The Tea Party movement started, as planned, on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade or Stock Exchange, I forget which, but the guy’s outburst was televised and the paper trail from Koch Brothers actually exists.
You know, facts.
Now, please tell me WHICH Liberal professors you’re talking about. Name them. Because otherwise, you’re talking hot air.
Bakunin said…
Roman Pogorelov on the West’s next target for a “colour revolution”:
The problem of separatism is not a new one for China. It is unlikely that the West is not using inter-ethnic conflicts within the PRC to its own ends. The “Arab Spring”, according to its American ideologues (it is worth noting that not everyone in the western leadership shared this idea), should have raised the tide of controlled chaos which afflicted the Caucasus and Central Asia, and struck a blow not only in the Muslim regions of Russia, but also appeared in Chinese Xinjiang. The stumbling block in this regard was Syria, over which Moscow and Beijing both took a categorical position, knowing full well that it represented a threat to them both. To compensate for the loss on the Syrian front, the Americans managed to accelerate a similar scenario in Ukraine, which was scheduled for 2015-2016. But despite turning to plan B, the civil war in Syria is still far from over. The unrest in neighboring Turkey should also be mentioned. In general, regardless of how events develop in the Middle East, the logical next step is a worsening situation in the countries of Central Asia (especially after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan), which, in its turn, will have an impact on China’s sensitive Xinjiang province.
The Imperialist West and American Empire specialize in divide-and-conquering other nations.
It is an inbred instinct of the Anglo-Americans and Europeans to covertly and not-so-covertly to balkanize countries by fomenting ethnic, religious, or other sectarian divisions. Yugoslavia, Sudan, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Russia and China have all been target of this sinister stratagem past and present and no doubt future.
What needs to be done to counter this European-American imperial tactic is: GIVE THE WEST A TASTE OF ITS OWN MEDICINE.
I don’t understand why these targeted nations don’t sponsor and support the independence movements inside the American Empire or European nations or even host “governments-in-exiles” as the West routinely does. As the very least, they should give media publicity to promote these movements.
God knows there are many significant movements for national independence in the West like the Lakota Republic, Hawaiian independence, Aztlan, Quebec, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Bavaria, Catalonia, Basque, Sicily, Corsica, Aboriginal and Maori nations.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
North American Secession
http://middleburyinstitute.org/secessionconvention2006.html
Bakunin said…
Roman Pogorelov on the West’s next target for a “colour revolution”:
The problem of separatism is not a new one for China. It is unlikely that the West is not using inter-ethnic conflicts within the PRC to its own ends. The “Arab Spring”, according to its American ideologues (it is worth noting that not everyone in the western leadership shared this idea), should have raised the tide of controlled chaos which afflicted the Caucasus and Central Asia, and struck a blow not only in the Muslim regions of Russia, but also appeared in Chinese Xinjiang. The stumbling block in this regard was Syria, over which Moscow and Beijing both took a categorical position, knowing full well that it represented a threat to them both. To compensate for the loss on the Syrian front, the Americans managed to accelerate a similar scenario in Ukraine, which was scheduled for 2015-2016. But despite turning to plan B, the civil war in Syria is still far from over. The unrest in neighboring Turkey should also be mentioned. In general, regardless of how events develop in the Middle East, the logical next step is a worsening situation in the countries of Central Asia (especially after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan), which, in its turn, will have an impact on China’s sensitive Xinjiang province.
The Imperialist West and American Empire specialize in divide-and-conquering other nations.
It is an inbred instinct of the Anglo-Americans and Europeans to covertly and not-so-covertly to balkanize countries by fomenting ethnic, religious, or other sectarian divisions. Yugoslavia, Sudan, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Russia and China have all been target of this sinister stratagem past and present and no doubt future.
What needs to be done to counter this European-American imperial tactic is: GIVE THE WEST A TASTE OF ITS OWN MEDICINE.
I don’t understand why these targeted nations don’t sponsor and support the independence movements inside the American Empire or European nations or even host “governments-in-exiles” as the West routinely does. As the very least, they should give media publicity to promote these movements.
God knows there are many significant movements for national independence in the West like the Lakota Republic, Hawaiian independence, Aztlan, Quebec, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Bavaria, Catalonia, Basque, Sicily, Corsica, Aboriginal and Maori nations.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
North American Secession
http://middleburyinstitute.org/secessionconvention2006.html
Nora said…,
“You’re talking apples and oranges. The Tea Party movement started, as planned, on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade or Stock Exchange, I forget which, but the guy’s outburst was televised and the paper trail from Koch Brothers actually exists.
You know, facts.”
While you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, you are the one “talking hot air” & are “factually challenged” :)
The modern Tea Party movement was actually started during the Ron Paul presidential campaign back in 2007.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43019901/ns/politics-decision_2012/t/tea-party-godfather-ron-paul-declares-bid/#.U6oJf7njhjo
http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/16/the-tea-party-and-its-impending-dilemma/
Meezer
Meezer,
1. Ron Paul held *a* Tea Party money bomb long before the Republicans needed a GOTV get-around; I remember it well bc we were pretty big fans of his bc of his stance on Palestine. He did not found it even though he got — and accepted — credit for it after the fact. At that time the typical Tea Party member didn’t even know who he was or what he stood for; nor did they necessarily agree with him on much of it. It was organized by the Republican Party as a way of getting disgruntled Republicans to vote in the 2010 mid-terms and funded by big money, though lots of grifters made a fortune from various local franchises. Don’t believe me, Google Americans for Prosperity, Citizens For A Sound Economy or Freedom Works — astroturf all. And statements by NBC News, or Tucker Carlson’s rag, are not facts, they’re just statements. Anyone can make one.
2. Now, since I never even mentioned the Tea Party, let’s get back to what I was talking about: the use of the word Liberal as a slur, with utterly undocumented allusions to college professors. Facts, please. If you can’t even cite a survey finding that x% of Liberal college professors think such-and-such about drones, then at least name a few you know, or know of, who happen to think that way. Facts = data = evidence. Try them some time.
3. If you’re still fighting the culture wars, you’re part of the problem, not the solution. Doing that is exactly what the Empire WANTS us to do — it diverts us from the important stuff — and imnsho both sides are equally brainwashed and no more than chickens fighting for Colonel Sanders. So go ahead, you do that if you want or need to: I’m not at all interested.
Nora,
1. You are still “talking hot air & still “factually challenged.
It is quite clear from your previous posts that you are a lefty & not a libertarian.
Which is why I intentionally used a left leaning NBC News link & a Neocon leaning link (I could have easily used libertarian links, but that’s way too easy) to prove a point & to clearly show what is COMMON KNOWLEDGE & FACT:
Ron Paul & his supporters started the modern day Tea Party movement back in 2007 as part of Ron Paul’s presidential campaign.
This Btw happened way before the Santelli rant, before the Koch bros, Beck, Hannity, Bachmann, Dick Armey & the Neocons managed to CO-OPT some of the Tea Party groups.
2. In some of your previous posts you did slur the Tea Party. So when you decided to lecture Bakunin on slurring a group of people, I merely pointed out that maybe you ought to practice what you preach :)
Oh btw, the only liberal college professor that matters, that has great influence & that does think it’s okay to be doing drone strikes left & right is Obama.
3. Again, you need to practice what you preach.
Like Bakunin, you are painting with a very broad brush. All liberals aren’t______. All Tea Party people aren’t______. All libertarians aren’t_____. All communists aren’t______. All Croations aren’t Ustashe.
Do you get the idea???
The Banderists don’t & are finding out the hard way, that when you fire on, literally and figuratively, on an entire group of people, you bloody well can expect that some of them will fire back on you.
Meezer
Meezer,
Calling me names is not providing facts. It is obviously, however, the best you are capable of.
Case closed.
Nora,
Pointing out the obvious, that the stuff that you write is from left side of the political spectrum is not name calling:
According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
lefty noun ˈlef-tē
: a person who supports liberal or socialist political policies
left·ies
Full Definition of LEFTY
1: left-hander
2: an advocate of leftism
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lefty
Meezer
You have not a clue of my political activities or beliefs. Not a friggin’ clue.
For example, we were invited to donate to Ron Paul’s Tea Party money bomb. And did. I know EXACTLY what it was — and wasn’t — at that time. You only know the after-the-fact propaganda you swallowed whole.
One more example: I’ve been criticizing — and actively working against various elements of — the Left for more than 50 years now.
And yes, as long as you continue blindly attacking *what you perceive to be* the Left, without having a clue of the facts of the issue or the very serious flaws on “your team”, I’ll continue to call you a brainwashed chicken fighting for Colonel Sanders.
Because you are.
Done. Idjit.