CIA operative blames the left. (No surprise there)
Meanwhile in Puerto Rico, people are up the creek with no paddle. The mayor is begging for help.
Please she says: “we are dying out here!“
Deep state sends message to the CIA: ”we need a distraction from Trump’s incompetence, this is worse than the bombing of Deir Ez-zor!”
Next day CNN news reports: ”FBI denies terrorist act in Las Vegas but Isis did claim responsibility.”
Solution: lets vote Hilary in 2020. She has a lot of support both from the left and from Isis. With her, we will be safe. Both from the left and the terrorists.
This Lt Col Shaffer is one of the few level headed members of Deep State, who does not automatically single out Russia, Iran, etc etc. He’s more a balancing force than a McCain terrorist. Get on youtube and check out some of his previous interviews..
I did watch two hours worth of his interviews but Lt Col Shaffer did not explain why terrorism exist. I know why though, America is hated because of its freedom. It is something that scares the powerful elite that control this planet. They dont want freedom for their slaves, obviously.
George Bush said it best: – They hate us because of our freedom!
Ha ha ha ha ha, good one – ‘they hate us for our freedom’ indeed.
I was watching The Vietnam War the other day and was suddenly transported back to the days of ‘light at the end of the tunnel’ and ‘the domino theory’. I think it’s sad when once ubiquitous truisms quietly slink off never to be seen again.
Happily this once dead hate-us-for-our-freedom beast can strut our meme corridors once more. Three cheers for Thiamin.
Lukas Schweter
It is fake. Research deep and you will find the company he worked for formed the company G4S. G4S is the same company who was involved in the Orlando shooting. G4S is directly linked to another company called ic3d media which specializes in creating fake crisis as this one and virtual reality. The Orlando shooter also happened to be an actor. The Vegas shooters brother lives in Orlando. Keep digging and it gets darker I won’t get into it on YouTube. But these two events are all fake and created by the same company and/or branches of the same company.
Purpose: Tear down second amendment.
Don’t be complicity, Mr. Saker, you’re too good on everything else
The key sentences of Lt. Col. Shaffer are what he said about violence used as part and parcel of the Left’s Political Speech. They have unleashed Antifa, Occupy, Black Lives Matter and other Soros goon squads on the middle class of America. They have sent the mind messages to the psychos to use guns on Republicans practicing baseball and watching a C&W concert in Vegas.
This is a good analysis.
Shaffer, though of the IC community, is very anti-the Deep State. He, like General Flynn, has been a rogue among them. So he carries no water for Shadow Government.
Look at the items on the receipt: one burger, one bagel, one soup, one water and two sodas. This does not appear to me to be an order for more than 1 person. Notice the red circle around the number of guests, “2”. Some people believe that means that Paddock had another person dining with him. I don’t think that’s the case. When a person calls for room service and places an order for food and drink, he generally doesn’t need to state if there are other persons in the room. So how did the number “2” get recorded on the receipt? The Vista Suite room accommodates 2 guests (see: https://www.mandalaybay.com/en/hotel.html#/tagsFilter=suite& ). I think the receipt simply reflects the number of guests for that room, nothing more.
We can get an idea what he did prior to Monday night’s attack from the number of times he entered and exited his room using his electronic key card and the associated times from the room records kept by the hotel. But maybe the hotel doesn’t have such a detailed system, I really don’t know. However it’s reasonable to assume he gambled somewhere in the casino.
Paddock was not a “whale”, a term exclusively used for very wealthy people who are six figure and above, gamblers. But he did wager very frequently and had a large line of credit with other Las Vegas casinos. He was not a loner but preferred to gamble in solitude.
Here is something in the NYT piece that I found odd. It has to do with a complaint Paddock made to the hotel early Monday morning about loud music coming from room 31-135 which was directly below his room. The news item states, “They (security) turned the music down, but had another visit from different security guards half an hour later. The man (Paddock) had called to complain again. Mr. Garzon (guest in 31-135) turned the music off. It wasn’t until the early hours of Monday that Mr. Garzon realized Mr. Paddock had been the complainer. I looked up and I could see his curtain flapping in the wind, he said.”
Early morning hours on Monday and Garzon sees curtains flapping from the floor above his room? Those floor-to-ceiling windows cannot be opened from the inside. The shooting began late Monday evening around 10:00pm. So how could the windows be open before that time? I can’t imagine the windows were broken during the day, hours before the shooting began. Either the writers of this article did a poor job of proof-reading what was said by Garzon or he stayed in his room during the shooting or something else was going on.
Lots of other information about this case needs to be discovered, such as:
1. If Paddock had a smart phone, who did he call, what pictures did he take, etc.
2. Did Paddock have a laptop or tablet? What was on it?
3. Paddock’s autopsy will reveal how long he had been dead when his body was found.
4. Did Paddock know any of the other guests on the 32nd floor of the hotel?
5. Did Paddock use the safe in his room? What was in it (e.g., cash, jewelry, etc.)?
6. Was there a robbery at another casino or other large heist, Monday evening?
7. How come there was no mention of evacuation helicopters used to ferry the injured?
8. Did anyone mention hearing the sound of bullets ricocheting off hard surfaces?
9. Who checked out of the hotel and went to the airport late Monday evening?
10. Was the bullet that grazed the right thigh of the security guard recovered and did it match one of the guns in Paddock’s room?
My theory is that at least two shooters were involved. The murders and the injured did happen but I’m not convinced at this point in the investigation this heinous crime was motivated solely to create terror or to advance a gun-control agenda like the Sandy Hook school shootings. It may in fact have been something else that had gone wrong during the execution of the plan and chaos resulted.
What I’ve learned so far is the total shooting time lasted around 11 minutes. I don’t believe a 64 year old man would stand upright and fast walk the distance across the suite to the adjacent, connecting room to fire a burst and then return to the suite to continue firing from his primary location. It just doesn’t make sense to me. This suggests another shooter was firing from the connecting room given the total elapsed time of the shooting.
My thinking is the shooter had to have been up close to the open window with the barrel nearly protruding outward to fire at such a downward angle. He would have either been sitting on cushions to elevate himself or sitting on his knees to aim downward. My guess is he’s sitting on cushions if Paddock is in fact the shooter. An older guy is not going to sit on his knees to prop himself in a firing position for too long due to advanced, age stiffness (I speak from experience). If the shooter was standing, there would be no need for the bipod support (I think). In any event, I bet that some of the spent casings flew out the window to the ground.
The article says that Campos approached Paddock’s room and was shot in the right thigh through the door. This is the story the public is being told. But it’s possible Paddock’s killer was coming out of the room and shot the guard and ran off. Campos may be able to identify the shooter but the cops are keeping it under wraps while they search for him.
There is almost nothing that Lt.Col.Shaffer has said that I can agree with, as it makes no sense. There is no way that one man could have shot all those people. If he was using a semiautomatic weapon, it would have been impossible. If he was using an automatic weapon, again it would have been impossible, due to the high rate of fire of automatic weapons. How many rounds of ammunition would he needed to have fired in such a short period of time, bearing in mind a clip holds either 20 or 30 rounds, and with an automatic weapon it is not a question of one round hitting one target, but at least two or three rounds, plus all those rounds hitting empty spaces ? What was his angle of fire ? Was he capable of hitting people who were lying on the ground ? Could he see that well in the darkness ? There is no question that this was a false flag operation, where two or three shooters were involved. And finally, there is absolutely no evidence that the accused did the firing. When the police burst into his room, he was already dead. When did he die ? Before or after the shootings ? The accused was almost certainly the patsy in this false flag operation, the intend being for Congress to start a process of gun confiscation.
well, I’ve been listening to the reports about multiple shooters as well – and I didn’t get the impression that Schaffer was trying to mislead me into the ‘single shooter’ story – the intelligence community would not be allowed to let the cat out of the bag by openly saying multiple shooters – he just ignored that part of the scenario – it wasn’t his job to tell the public THAT –
You are, ofcourse, correct. What the good Lt.Colonel said is nothing but simple disinformation, the old lone gunman story. What we have in Las Vegas is basically copy cat disinformation of what happened in Dallas in 1963. Did we really expect a former CIA guy to tell the truth ?
I see zero evidence for a conspiracy, with the possible exception of the couple that were reported to be predicting an attack. It’s possible Paddock had associates, but who were not directly complicit in the assault.
The menu “evidence” is laughable. The hotel undoubtedly marked the menu based on the number of guests possible in the room, so they could put the maximum required place settings. Who knows what the policy is? If there is any reason to suspect a second shooter, the cops will look for fingerprints or other evidence.
All this stuff about 64-year-old men can’t do such and such is nonsense. There are many physically fit 64-year-olds who could do any of this. Also, it’s not difficult at all to use AR-15’s, AR-10, and AK class rifles. These are NOT “complicated machines” as some people have depicted them. The only complication is disassembling them to clean them – Youtube is your friend. Paddock was clearly familiar with these weapons as he had plenty of time to accumulate them.
Some people think he had to be an expert to hit anyone at 400 yards from an elevated position. This is nonsense. He was firing at a crowd of 22,000 people – he could hardly miss. All he had to do was fire one burst for range, then adjust his hold to insure the bullets would hit the crowd. Hardly marksmanship effort.
Some people question whether he could aimed at that range or that the bullets would be “effective” at that range. First, he undoubtedly was NOT aiming because he had no need to aim at such a large crowd. Secondly, people who take firearm safety courses are taught that firearms maximum range is far in excess of their effective range. .223, 7.62×39 and .308 bullets have maximum ranges up to four thousand feet and can still do damage at those ranges, even if the penetration loss and bullet drop are significant. Since he was not aiming and was firing into a mass crowd, all his weapons would be effective at that range.
He had 23 weapons is his room, of which 16 were rifles. If each rifle had at least one thirty round magazine for it, that is 480 rounds to start. He apparently had at least several high-capacity round drum magazines, which adds many more rounds to an unknown total. He could also have had more than one conventional magazine for each rifle. In total, he could easily have fired 1,000 rounds in the time reported, easily explaining the high wounding body count. That would also have been aggravated by ricochets and double penetrations.
There is nothing in the reports so far to indicate other than one lone nut who was very well prepared for his shooting spree.
You make sense.
He had 100 rd, drums as well as magazines that were 30 rd. The fire rate of 400-500 rds per minute is consistent with the bursts of 3 seconds for the magazines and 9-10 secs for the drums, all clear and easily analyzed on video. I have seen two 10-second clips that verify the drums.
The report from the police was he conducted 12 bursts of fire during his 11 minute siege.
All easily done by a psycho who had prepared since June. One thing known about psychotic humans. They have ultra clarity of their tunnel-visioned evil. Emotion is not a factor once the “act” begins. No fear. No trepidation. A huge release of psychic energy.
Just look at the heinous ISIS videos of their public slaughterings.
The mass shootings, the mass beheadings (the one in Libya at the shoreline). Psychos in action.
How does one take 23 weapons and 1000 rounds of ammo into the room and store it without being noticed by someone in the hotel staff?
How do you adjust for range after firing one burst without using tracers to provide information on where the initial burst hit?
Into what area were the 22000 people packed? If they occupied an area as large as a football field, then from 400 yards away (4 football fields away) that area would look to be equivalent to an area covered by two fists when held at arms length. Firing bursts without an anchored tripod or other supporting structure would easily kick nozzle up the few degrees necessary to completely miss the entire target.
Luckily we have a fantastic law enforcement / media system that was able to quickly solve this complicated crime practically overnight. And now, with the supposed perpetrator, a senior citizen Rambo conveniently deceased and the politicians immediately calling for further infringements on the 2nd amendment before the blood has even dried, it seems like Deja vu all over again.
5.56 bullet drop at 400 yards is about 31 inches. (about half of what it would be at 500 yards.) Also firing from elevated position reduces this drop a few inches.
If he had it roughly sighted in at 100 yards prior, he would have had no problem hitting targets. Any low shots would have ricocheted of the pavement and still found targets.
With a bipod, full auto fire is effective on area targets at that range. Look at the M249 and M60 machine guns. That is exactly what they are designed for and are extremely effective at.
Anyone who says this is so hard has not spent time behind an AR15. AR15 in 5.56 is an accurate and low recoil weapon platform. It is designed for ease of use for moderately trained shooters to fire accurately at range. Shooting into a large crowd at 400 yards, you could do that with an AR out of the box with 1 days practice at a gun range. Using a bump fire with a bipod, that would take a few days to get fairly proficient at.
Point is conspiracy or not, 1 person with money and some time on their hands could accomplish what they are claiming. He had both time and money. 4 days to get guns and ammo into a hotel room, not a problem, that is a suitcase twice a day so you catch different workers shifts. Do not disturb sign on your door for a few days, how much attention would that draw in Vegas? Not much. Google maps will give a shooter a decent idea of range to sight in previously if they are that skilled but, he didn’t even need to do that and would still have been effective.
Would gun control have helped stop this? Such a long argument I wouldn’t get into. I would say the guns are not the root cause though. Years back they had the Right wing all riled up, now they are getting the Left riled up. Politics and hate are root causes of division in the U.S. Not race or religion or legal/illegal immigration. They want to get people riled up and against each other to split votes and this is the consequences of that. I would say though that “Rights” are not “rights” at all if they are debating taking them away from you.
I think the shooter was just a patsy. Killed before the shooting started. And the hit team fled the scene before cops arrived. The first cop who came to the 32nd floor was ordered to hold back and wait for SWAT to arrive, that took 30 minutes. Plenty of time to leave to scene for the hit team.
For what it’s worth, there are rumors out there – 4chan for example – that he was a contractor acting for one of the 3 letter gov institutions who was supposed to complete a gun transfer to a terrorist group, namely isis. Apparently, there was an intention on his part to double cross the group somehow or actually turn them in ( this transfer may have been > The Sting < transaction of a series of transactions ) at the behest of his handlers. Someone leaked and he was killed. The massacre, according to theories, was cover for the getaway of the terror groups representatives.
Very thin argumentation that this was a “left” terrorist attack. Paddock does not seem like a “leftist” at all when one considers he was a multi millionaire, owned two airplanes, owned multiple income properties and was a high stake gambler. Does this sound like a “leftist” to you?
Strange, this am I read an article by Adam Carrie at the Duran about the Vegas massacre. In it he talked about evidence paddock wasn’t alone at the hotel, the room service angle being mentioned, and several other things. He provided links to the sources he used. Was going to post a link to it here, but the article isn’t there now.
These incidents NEVER occur with a single “motivation” or cause. As with ALL of these attacks, they a multi-purpose. The term used by these psychopaths is “dovetail effect”. In this case there are a few clues bubbling to the surface:
Ritual- Time of year for some Human Sacrifice for the pleasure of the Uber EL-ites.
Psychological Operation- Time for more terror on US streets
Political: Gun Control
Monetary: This one is multifaceted, but lets just say time for more X-Ray machine (and other devices) all over Nevada via the Chertoff Group. Los Vegas already being the most monitored city in the US. Gun Running and money laundering
Geo-Political: US/israel and Russian ‘mafia’, FBI, CIA Spooks and WetWorks and a whole host of other Intel Agencies.
The Rabbit Hole looks deep on this one.
“Shaffer, a retired lieutenant colonel and intelligence expert, said on “Your World” today that we finally have a commander-and-chief who’s willing to take action in President Trump.
“The Obama administration, to a fault, removed military capabilities from any negotiation,” Shaffer said. “I think that gave the State Department a huge disadvantage.”
He said that last night’s airstrikes sent a clear message to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his allies Russia and Iran that “the game has changed.”
And shaffer on Iran and DPRK:
Col Tony Shaffer – Obama IRAN Deal Has US FINANCING Enemies, N KOREA NUKES
This ‘massacre’ was most probably a production. There are some Tube-Vids taken at the starting of the shooting right into around 8 Minutes after it started, largely from the same place, roughly 30-40 from the stage in the middle of Arena. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2uEKUc0_Vc#t=568.8617794.
What is interesting to note. The actual time of shooting is short vs. the pauses. The length of the (all full-auto shooting) bursts is almost always 10 seconds. Between the first noticeable burst on the vid (Band still playing) and the second 46 seconds. No panic in the crowd – cudos – to the crowd ! Then three ten second bursts with roughly 30 seconds pause. Crowd in front of stage and around the Video taker has dramaticly thinned, but no panic. One hears a women voice all the time in the near telling people not to move but instead to stay down (intelligently most people don’t follow this advice and use the long pauses to dislocate out of sight). Up to that all shots have come from the same type weapon. What is odd that the sound is not right. I live very near a shooting range and often wander around in the woods surrounding it. I can tell you, you DEFINITLY know when you are in the receiving -20 / + 20 degree of the shooters cone of fire one almost at any point down the range hears two distinct sounds, a whip like loud like tearing fabric type of sound which is connected to a second full and louder Boom like sound as if connected by a thin wire. At a range of 300 – 400 yds. the two events are roughly 0.3 sec. from each other. It is very loud and frightning when being within 100 – 200 yds. of the shot. In the Video the shots however sound like firing with training blinds, they only produce that thin non-alarming sound as is been heard in the Video (because no bullet flies). Also not a single victim, no impact marks which would be frightingly visible for the eyes especially when a whole burst hits concrete, could be seen around the whole arena from the Video-takers position. There are also many bystanders or folks nearby who don’t seem to be to alarmed, some even argue it being a hoax. I’m glad of course no massacre is shown and no one hurt, but still, what is the purpose of this production ?
It’s been 7 days since the shooting. When is the medical examiner going to release the autopsy report on Paddock’s corpse?
1. Time of death.
2. Any other injuries or wounds such as blunt force trauma to the head or body.
3. Toxicology analysis; list of drugs that may have incapacitated him before death.
4. Gunshot residue found on his arms, face or clothing.
5. Trajectory of the bullet from the handgun that entered and exited his skull.
6. Match of the fatal bullet to the handgun found near his body.
I will make this one observation: Not one person has come forward to state that he or she ever witnessed Stephen Paddock shoot a firearm whether it be a handgun or rifle, at a gun range, gun club, out somewhere in the desert or even from his Las Vegas hotel room.
We have the store manager of the Guns and Guitars retail store stating that Paddock, “was a very active shooter, he shot a lot.” However out of all the interviews of persons including law enforcement and other retail firearm store employees conducted by various news media (e.g., Las Vegas Review-Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, NY York Magazine, New York Daily News, New York Post, Kansas City Star, etc.), not one reporter asked the question, “Where did Paddock practice shooting his firearms?”
There would have to be some record of Paddock signing a registration book to shoot his weapons at an authorized gun range or club. Even if he practiced out in the desert, he would have had to locate an area that simulated shooting down from an elevated position approximately 300 – 400 yards to accurately sight-in the rifles he owned to hit downrange targets.
I realize it doesn’t take a great deal of skill to point a rifle at a target viewing through a telescope mount and squeeze off a few rounds; anybody can do that. However shooting a rifle at a distance where bright, rapid, muzzle flashes would nearly blind a shooter in the dark of night without wearing protective eye and ear wear requires some planning. None of the evidence recovered in Paddock’s hotel room suggests he wore those devices. Okay so he didn’t wear protection, what of it?
It means he would have had to fire shorter 1 – 2 second bursts from a rifle to allow his eyes to adjust to the strobe light effect of a bright muzzle flash and then absolute darkness. But we heard sustained 5 – 11 second bursts of fire, which might direct the investigation to another shooter more experienced in firing a weapon at night.
Paddock was an avid gun collector; that’s all we know about him that ties him to these heinous crimes other than his dead body found in his hotel room. No evidence has been uncovered so far that Paddock was planning to kill people and had no history of mental illness. No Islamic religious material has been found in his possession. He had no criminal record and was not associated with running guns or trading in illegal firearms. He had a girl friend he loved, he had few interactions with family or friends, was not violent to anyone and he enjoyed gambling often in solitude, at casinos.
The police did not move towards Paddocks’ hotel room for nearly an hour later after the last burst of firing was reportedly heard. What happened during that 50 – 60 minutes of time? Perhaps the autopsy on Paddock’s body will give the cops a better clue on what really transpired.
Six of the facilities were more than 9 miles away from the concert venue, the farthest being Centennial Hills Hospital Medical Center, a distance of 21.6 miles.
1. How come no one reported seeing or hearing medevac helicopters landing to evacuate the injured during a major mass casualty event of over 500 people?
2. How was it the police did not use tear gas when they were up on the 32nd floor?
3. Why hasn’t Paddock’s family claimed the body yet?
Law enforcement must conclusively prove an audit trail through forensic evidentiary discovery including video capture recordings that points to a motive for Paddock being the “lone gunman”. Until then, we must assume other perpetrators were involved.
This hoax is beyond absurd …….///////////////………….. They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.
But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now didn’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.
Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.
Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.
In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.
I am following this story and I would appreciate it if you could provide the website where your comment, “But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. …” is shown in the supporting article. I want to pursue that with other investigators I am in contact with to better understand that statement.
Hmm. Makes ya think.
Political motivation or just a guy who snapped and went insane?
In either case, the ‘powers that be’ will use this event to accumulate more power, if at all possible.
They will probably use this to start a process of gun confiscation. This was almost certainly a false flag operation.
B.F. – agree
See Sandy Hook “hoax” – on December 14, 2012, in Newtown, Connecticut
Video – English speaking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzMtYWvvnQ4
CIA operative blames the left. (No surprise there)
Meanwhile in Puerto Rico, people are up the creek with no paddle. The mayor is begging for help.
Please she says: “we are dying out here!“
Deep state sends message to the CIA: ”we need a distraction from Trump’s incompetence, this is worse than the bombing of Deir Ez-zor!”
Next day CNN news reports: ”FBI denies terrorist act in Las Vegas but Isis did claim responsibility.”
Solution: lets vote Hilary in 2020. She has a lot of support both from the left and from Isis. With her, we will be safe. Both from the left and the terrorists.
This Lt Col Shaffer is one of the few level headed members of Deep State, who does not automatically single out Russia, Iran, etc etc. He’s more a balancing force than a McCain terrorist. Get on youtube and check out some of his previous interviews..
I did watch two hours worth of his interviews but Lt Col Shaffer did not explain why terrorism exist. I know why though, America is hated because of its freedom. It is something that scares the powerful elite that control this planet. They dont want freedom for their slaves, obviously.
George Bush said it best: – They hate us because of our freedom!
Ha ha ha ha ha, good one – ‘they hate us for our freedom’ indeed.
I was watching The Vietnam War the other day and was suddenly transported back to the days of ‘light at the end of the tunnel’ and ‘the domino theory’. I think it’s sad when once ubiquitous truisms quietly slink off never to be seen again.
Happily this once dead hate-us-for-our-freedom beast can strut our meme corridors once more. Three cheers for Thiamin.
She also has the support of dead-beat post-menopausal man-hating Harpies. Will be be safe from them to if we vote for Hell?
Lukas Schweter
It is fake. Research deep and you will find the company he worked for formed the company G4S. G4S is the same company who was involved in the Orlando shooting. G4S is directly linked to another company called ic3d media which specializes in creating fake crisis as this one and virtual reality. The Orlando shooter also happened to be an actor. The Vegas shooters brother lives in Orlando. Keep digging and it gets darker I won’t get into it on YouTube. But these two events are all fake and created by the same company and/or branches of the same company.
Purpose: Tear down second amendment.
Don’t be complicity, Mr. Saker, you’re too good on everything else
The key sentences of Lt. Col. Shaffer are what he said about violence used as part and parcel of the Left’s Political Speech. They have unleashed Antifa, Occupy, Black Lives Matter and other Soros goon squads on the middle class of America. They have sent the mind messages to the psychos to use guns on Republicans practicing baseball and watching a C&W concert in Vegas.
This is a good analysis.
Shaffer, though of the IC community, is very anti-the Deep State. He, like General Flynn, has been a rogue among them. So he carries no water for Shadow Government.
I answered someone above but you put it exactly as I wish I could’ve put it the first time out :)
I’ve been following this story very closely.
What did Paddock do for 5 days and 5 nights?
It’s been reported that Paddock checked into the hotel on Thursday, September 28. However we see a receipt dated Wednesday, September 27 (see: http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/04/las-vegas-shooter-room-bill-shows-someone-else-was-in-the-room-with-him-6977833/ ).
Look at the items on the receipt: one burger, one bagel, one soup, one water and two sodas. This does not appear to me to be an order for more than 1 person. Notice the red circle around the number of guests, “2”. Some people believe that means that Paddock had another person dining with him. I don’t think that’s the case. When a person calls for room service and places an order for food and drink, he generally doesn’t need to state if there are other persons in the room. So how did the number “2” get recorded on the receipt? The Vista Suite room accommodates 2 guests (see: https://www.mandalaybay.com/en/hotel.html#/tagsFilter=suite& ). I think the receipt simply reflects the number of guests for that room, nothing more.
We can get an idea what he did prior to Monday night’s attack from the number of times he entered and exited his room using his electronic key card and the associated times from the room records kept by the hotel. But maybe the hotel doesn’t have such a detailed system, I really don’t know. However it’s reasonable to assume he gambled somewhere in the casino.
A New York Times article states he frequented video poker machines rather than table games (see: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/stephen-paddock-gambling.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region%C2%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news ).
Paddock was not a “whale”, a term exclusively used for very wealthy people who are six figure and above, gamblers. But he did wager very frequently and had a large line of credit with other Las Vegas casinos. He was not a loner but preferred to gamble in solitude.
Here is something in the NYT piece that I found odd. It has to do with a complaint Paddock made to the hotel early Monday morning about loud music coming from room 31-135 which was directly below his room. The news item states, “They (security) turned the music down, but had another visit from different security guards half an hour later. The man (Paddock) had called to complain again. Mr. Garzon (guest in 31-135) turned the music off. It wasn’t until the early hours of Monday that Mr. Garzon realized Mr. Paddock had been the complainer. I looked up and I could see his curtain flapping in the wind, he said.”
Early morning hours on Monday and Garzon sees curtains flapping from the floor above his room? Those floor-to-ceiling windows cannot be opened from the inside. The shooting began late Monday evening around 10:00pm. So how could the windows be open before that time? I can’t imagine the windows were broken during the day, hours before the shooting began. Either the writers of this article did a poor job of proof-reading what was said by Garzon or he stayed in his room during the shooting or something else was going on.
Lots of other information about this case needs to be discovered, such as:
1. If Paddock had a smart phone, who did he call, what pictures did he take, etc.
2. Did Paddock have a laptop or tablet? What was on it?
3. Paddock’s autopsy will reveal how long he had been dead when his body was found.
4. Did Paddock know any of the other guests on the 32nd floor of the hotel?
5. Did Paddock use the safe in his room? What was in it (e.g., cash, jewelry, etc.)?
6. Was there a robbery at another casino or other large heist, Monday evening?
7. How come there was no mention of evacuation helicopters used to ferry the injured?
8. Did anyone mention hearing the sound of bullets ricocheting off hard surfaces?
9. Who checked out of the hotel and went to the airport late Monday evening?
10. Was the bullet that grazed the right thigh of the security guard recovered and did it match one of the guns in Paddock’s room?
My theory is that at least two shooters were involved. The murders and the injured did happen but I’m not convinced at this point in the investigation this heinous crime was motivated solely to create terror or to advance a gun-control agenda like the Sandy Hook school shootings. It may in fact have been something else that had gone wrong during the execution of the plan and chaos resulted.
What I’ve learned so far is the total shooting time lasted around 11 minutes. I don’t believe a 64 year old man would stand upright and fast walk the distance across the suite to the adjacent, connecting room to fire a burst and then return to the suite to continue firing from his primary location. It just doesn’t make sense to me. This suggests another shooter was firing from the connecting room given the total elapsed time of the shooting.
The 20 guns found in the hotel room. According to the New York Times article here (see: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/us/vegas-shooting-hotel-room.html ), some of the rifles found had scopes and bipod supports.
My thinking is the shooter had to have been up close to the open window with the barrel nearly protruding outward to fire at such a downward angle. He would have either been sitting on cushions to elevate himself or sitting on his knees to aim downward. My guess is he’s sitting on cushions if Paddock is in fact the shooter. An older guy is not going to sit on his knees to prop himself in a firing position for too long due to advanced, age stiffness (I speak from experience). If the shooter was standing, there would be no need for the bipod support (I think). In any event, I bet that some of the spent casings flew out the window to the ground.
How does this advance my “two shooter” theory?
The security guard may have surprised the other shooter who had killed Paddock. The name of the wounded guard is Jesus Campos (see: https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/mandalay-bay-security-guard-identified-in-las-vegas-strip-shooting/ ).
The article says that Campos approached Paddock’s room and was shot in the right thigh through the door. This is the story the public is being told. But it’s possible Paddock’s killer was coming out of the room and shot the guard and ran off. Campos may be able to identify the shooter but the cops are keeping it under wraps while they search for him.
There is almost nothing that Lt.Col.Shaffer has said that I can agree with, as it makes no sense. There is no way that one man could have shot all those people. If he was using a semiautomatic weapon, it would have been impossible. If he was using an automatic weapon, again it would have been impossible, due to the high rate of fire of automatic weapons. How many rounds of ammunition would he needed to have fired in such a short period of time, bearing in mind a clip holds either 20 or 30 rounds, and with an automatic weapon it is not a question of one round hitting one target, but at least two or three rounds, plus all those rounds hitting empty spaces ? What was his angle of fire ? Was he capable of hitting people who were lying on the ground ? Could he see that well in the darkness ? There is no question that this was a false flag operation, where two or three shooters were involved. And finally, there is absolutely no evidence that the accused did the firing. When the police burst into his room, he was already dead. When did he die ? Before or after the shootings ? The accused was almost certainly the patsy in this false flag operation, the intend being for Congress to start a process of gun confiscation.
“There is no way that one man could have shot all those people.”
Who says that all the people that died or was injured was hit by bullets?
22000 people running in panic over each-other to get out of the fish-in-barrel-situation could explain why so many was killed and injured.
A stampede in a theater can result in a lot of dead people even if the person that yelled fire was mistaken…
Some were running, but most were laying on the ground. The reports I read about people being treated in hospitals pertain to people who were shot.
well, I’ve been listening to the reports about multiple shooters as well – and I didn’t get the impression that Schaffer was trying to mislead me into the ‘single shooter’ story – the intelligence community would not be allowed to let the cat out of the bag by openly saying multiple shooters – he just ignored that part of the scenario – it wasn’t his job to tell the public THAT –
You are, ofcourse, correct. What the good Lt.Colonel said is nothing but simple disinformation, the old lone gunman story. What we have in Las Vegas is basically copy cat disinformation of what happened in Dallas in 1963. Did we really expect a former CIA guy to tell the truth ?
I see zero evidence for a conspiracy, with the possible exception of the couple that were reported to be predicting an attack. It’s possible Paddock had associates, but who were not directly complicit in the assault.
The menu “evidence” is laughable. The hotel undoubtedly marked the menu based on the number of guests possible in the room, so they could put the maximum required place settings. Who knows what the policy is? If there is any reason to suspect a second shooter, the cops will look for fingerprints or other evidence.
All this stuff about 64-year-old men can’t do such and such is nonsense. There are many physically fit 64-year-olds who could do any of this. Also, it’s not difficult at all to use AR-15’s, AR-10, and AK class rifles. These are NOT “complicated machines” as some people have depicted them. The only complication is disassembling them to clean them – Youtube is your friend. Paddock was clearly familiar with these weapons as he had plenty of time to accumulate them.
Some people think he had to be an expert to hit anyone at 400 yards from an elevated position. This is nonsense. He was firing at a crowd of 22,000 people – he could hardly miss. All he had to do was fire one burst for range, then adjust his hold to insure the bullets would hit the crowd. Hardly marksmanship effort.
Some people question whether he could aimed at that range or that the bullets would be “effective” at that range. First, he undoubtedly was NOT aiming because he had no need to aim at such a large crowd. Secondly, people who take firearm safety courses are taught that firearms maximum range is far in excess of their effective range. .223, 7.62×39 and .308 bullets have maximum ranges up to four thousand feet and can still do damage at those ranges, even if the penetration loss and bullet drop are significant. Since he was not aiming and was firing into a mass crowd, all his weapons would be effective at that range.
He had 23 weapons is his room, of which 16 were rifles. If each rifle had at least one thirty round magazine for it, that is 480 rounds to start. He apparently had at least several high-capacity round drum magazines, which adds many more rounds to an unknown total. He could also have had more than one conventional magazine for each rifle. In total, he could easily have fired 1,000 rounds in the time reported, easily explaining the high wounding body count. That would also have been aggravated by ricochets and double penetrations.
There is nothing in the reports so far to indicate other than one lone nut who was very well prepared for his shooting spree.
You make sense.
He had 100 rd, drums as well as magazines that were 30 rd. The fire rate of 400-500 rds per minute is consistent with the bursts of 3 seconds for the magazines and 9-10 secs for the drums, all clear and easily analyzed on video. I have seen two 10-second clips that verify the drums.
The report from the police was he conducted 12 bursts of fire during his 11 minute siege.
All easily done by a psycho who had prepared since June. One thing known about psychotic humans. They have ultra clarity of their tunnel-visioned evil. Emotion is not a factor once the “act” begins. No fear. No trepidation. A huge release of psychic energy.
Just look at the heinous ISIS videos of their public slaughterings.
The mass shootings, the mass beheadings (the one in Libya at the shoreline). Psychos in action.
Here’s the floor plan of the suite.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/10/02/us/mandalay-bay-vegas-shooting-1506946492937/mandalay-bay-vegas-shooting-1506946492937-facebookJumbo-v18.jpg
Maybe, but..
How does one take 23 weapons and 1000 rounds of ammo into the room and store it without being noticed by someone in the hotel staff?
How do you adjust for range after firing one burst without using tracers to provide information on where the initial burst hit?
Into what area were the 22000 people packed? If they occupied an area as large as a football field, then from 400 yards away (4 football fields away) that area would look to be equivalent to an area covered by two fists when held at arms length. Firing bursts without an anchored tripod or other supporting structure would easily kick nozzle up the few degrees necessary to completely miss the entire target.
Luckily we have a fantastic law enforcement / media system that was able to quickly solve this complicated crime practically overnight. And now, with the supposed perpetrator, a senior citizen Rambo conveniently deceased and the politicians immediately calling for further infringements on the 2nd amendment before the blood has even dried, it seems like Deja vu all over again.
Excellent questions and observation
Observation,
5.56 bullet drop at 400 yards is about 31 inches. (about half of what it would be at 500 yards.) Also firing from elevated position reduces this drop a few inches.
If he had it roughly sighted in at 100 yards prior, he would have had no problem hitting targets. Any low shots would have ricocheted of the pavement and still found targets.
With a bipod, full auto fire is effective on area targets at that range. Look at the M249 and M60 machine guns. That is exactly what they are designed for and are extremely effective at.
Anyone who says this is so hard has not spent time behind an AR15. AR15 in 5.56 is an accurate and low recoil weapon platform. It is designed for ease of use for moderately trained shooters to fire accurately at range. Shooting into a large crowd at 400 yards, you could do that with an AR out of the box with 1 days practice at a gun range. Using a bump fire with a bipod, that would take a few days to get fairly proficient at.
Point is conspiracy or not, 1 person with money and some time on their hands could accomplish what they are claiming. He had both time and money. 4 days to get guns and ammo into a hotel room, not a problem, that is a suitcase twice a day so you catch different workers shifts. Do not disturb sign on your door for a few days, how much attention would that draw in Vegas? Not much. Google maps will give a shooter a decent idea of range to sight in previously if they are that skilled but, he didn’t even need to do that and would still have been effective.
Would gun control have helped stop this? Such a long argument I wouldn’t get into. I would say the guns are not the root cause though. Years back they had the Right wing all riled up, now they are getting the Left riled up. Politics and hate are root causes of division in the U.S. Not race or religion or legal/illegal immigration. They want to get people riled up and against each other to split votes and this is the consequences of that. I would say though that “Rights” are not “rights” at all if they are debating taking them away from you.
I think the shooter was just a patsy. Killed before the shooting started. And the hit team fled the scene before cops arrived. The first cop who came to the 32nd floor was ordered to hold back and wait for SWAT to arrive, that took 30 minutes. Plenty of time to leave to scene for the hit team.
For what it’s worth, there are rumors out there – 4chan for example – that he was a contractor acting for one of the 3 letter gov institutions who was supposed to complete a gun transfer to a terrorist group, namely isis. Apparently, there was an intention on his part to double cross the group somehow or actually turn them in ( this transfer may have been > The Sting < transaction of a series of transactions ) at the behest of his handlers. Someone leaked and he was killed. The massacre, according to theories, was cover for the getaway of the terror groups representatives.
And that's only one angle.
4chan has been discredited for months.
Their posts on this event are ludicrous.
expand on that, maybe?
hmm. honest guy I think – so is the girlfriend a member is Daesh ? I thought the $100K was a payoff – maybe could be both ?
Very thin argumentation that this was a “left” terrorist attack. Paddock does not seem like a “leftist” at all when one considers he was a multi millionaire, owned two airplanes, owned multiple income properties and was a high stake gambler. Does this sound like a “leftist” to you?
leftists are immune to money & its trappings, along with bad habits?
I am not speaking in general. I am observing what is known about him and come to the conclusion is is a standard American conservative.
Strange, this am I read an article by Adam Carrie at the Duran about the Vegas massacre. In it he talked about evidence paddock wasn’t alone at the hotel, the room service angle being mentioned, and several other things. He provided links to the sources he used. Was going to post a link to it here, but the article isn’t there now.
These incidents NEVER occur with a single “motivation” or cause. As with ALL of these attacks, they a multi-purpose. The term used by these psychopaths is “dovetail effect”. In this case there are a few clues bubbling to the surface:
Ritual- Time of year for some Human Sacrifice for the pleasure of the Uber EL-ites.
Psychological Operation- Time for more terror on US streets
Political: Gun Control
Monetary: This one is multifaceted, but lets just say time for more X-Ray machine (and other devices) all over Nevada via the Chertoff Group. Los Vegas already being the most monitored city in the US. Gun Running and money laundering
Geo-Political: US/israel and Russian ‘mafia’, FBI, CIA Spooks and WetWorks and a whole host of other Intel Agencies.
The Rabbit Hole looks deep on this one.
Yeah I always believe what CIA terrorism experts have to say about terrorism.* They’re really experts!
* especially if presented on fox news. There “experts” also. Not sure what at though.
This is what shaffer had to say about trump’s missile attack on Syria back in April:
Shaffer: Syria Airstrikes Show the World That ‘The Game Has Changed’
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/04/07/tony-shaffer-syria-airstrikes-message-trump-sent-syria-russia-iran-china-others
“Shaffer, a retired lieutenant colonel and intelligence expert, said on “Your World” today that we finally have a commander-and-chief who’s willing to take action in President Trump.
“The Obama administration, to a fault, removed military capabilities from any negotiation,” Shaffer said. “I think that gave the State Department a huge disadvantage.”
He said that last night’s airstrikes sent a clear message to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his allies Russia and Iran that “the game has changed.”
And shaffer on Iran and DPRK:
Col Tony Shaffer – Obama IRAN Deal Has US FINANCING Enemies, N KOREA NUKES
https://rickwells.us/col-tony-shaffer-obama-iran-deal-us-financing-enemies-n-korea-nukes/
The guy’s role is to spread disinformation in support of zionazi geopolitical goals, pure and simple. What he says should be viewed with that in mind.
This ‘massacre’ was most probably a production. There are some Tube-Vids taken at the starting of the shooting right into around 8 Minutes after it started, largely from the same place, roughly 30-40 from the stage in the middle of Arena. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2uEKUc0_Vc#t=568.8617794.
What is interesting to note. The actual time of shooting is short vs. the pauses. The length of the (all full-auto shooting) bursts is almost always 10 seconds. Between the first noticeable burst on the vid (Band still playing) and the second 46 seconds. No panic in the crowd – cudos – to the crowd ! Then three ten second bursts with roughly 30 seconds pause. Crowd in front of stage and around the Video taker has dramaticly thinned, but no panic. One hears a women voice all the time in the near telling people not to move but instead to stay down (intelligently most people don’t follow this advice and use the long pauses to dislocate out of sight). Up to that all shots have come from the same type weapon. What is odd that the sound is not right. I live very near a shooting range and often wander around in the woods surrounding it. I can tell you, you DEFINITLY know when you are in the receiving -20 / + 20 degree of the shooters cone of fire one almost at any point down the range hears two distinct sounds, a whip like loud like tearing fabric type of sound which is connected to a second full and louder Boom like sound as if connected by a thin wire. At a range of 300 – 400 yds. the two events are roughly 0.3 sec. from each other. It is very loud and frightning when being within 100 – 200 yds. of the shot. In the Video the shots however sound like firing with training blinds, they only produce that thin non-alarming sound as is been heard in the Video (because no bullet flies). Also not a single victim, no impact marks which would be frightingly visible for the eyes especially when a whole burst hits concrete, could be seen around the whole arena from the Video-takers position. There are also many bystanders or folks nearby who don’t seem to be to alarmed, some even argue it being a hoax. I’m glad of course no massacre is shown and no one hurt, but still, what is the purpose of this production ?
Many questions remain about this shooting.
It’s been 7 days since the shooting. When is the medical examiner going to release the autopsy report on Paddock’s corpse?
1. Time of death.
2. Any other injuries or wounds such as blunt force trauma to the head or body.
3. Toxicology analysis; list of drugs that may have incapacitated him before death.
4. Gunshot residue found on his arms, face or clothing.
5. Trajectory of the bullet from the handgun that entered and exited his skull.
6. Match of the fatal bullet to the handgun found near his body.
I will make this one observation: Not one person has come forward to state that he or she ever witnessed Stephen Paddock shoot a firearm whether it be a handgun or rifle, at a gun range, gun club, out somewhere in the desert or even from his Las Vegas hotel room.
We have the store manager of the Guns and Guitars retail store stating that Paddock, “was a very active shooter, he shot a lot.” However out of all the interviews of persons including law enforcement and other retail firearm store employees conducted by various news media (e.g., Las Vegas Review-Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, NY York Magazine, New York Daily News, New York Post, Kansas City Star, etc.), not one reporter asked the question, “Where did Paddock practice shooting his firearms?”
There would have to be some record of Paddock signing a registration book to shoot his weapons at an authorized gun range or club. Even if he practiced out in the desert, he would have had to locate an area that simulated shooting down from an elevated position approximately 300 – 400 yards to accurately sight-in the rifles he owned to hit downrange targets.
I realize it doesn’t take a great deal of skill to point a rifle at a target viewing through a telescope mount and squeeze off a few rounds; anybody can do that. However shooting a rifle at a distance where bright, rapid, muzzle flashes would nearly blind a shooter in the dark of night without wearing protective eye and ear wear requires some planning. None of the evidence recovered in Paddock’s hotel room suggests he wore those devices. Okay so he didn’t wear protection, what of it?
It means he would have had to fire shorter 1 – 2 second bursts from a rifle to allow his eyes to adjust to the strobe light effect of a bright muzzle flash and then absolute darkness. But we heard sustained 5 – 11 second bursts of fire, which might direct the investigation to another shooter more experienced in firing a weapon at night.
Paddock was an avid gun collector; that’s all we know about him that ties him to these heinous crimes other than his dead body found in his hotel room. No evidence has been uncovered so far that Paddock was planning to kill people and had no history of mental illness. No Islamic religious material has been found in his possession. He had no criminal record and was not associated with running guns or trading in illegal firearms. He had a girl friend he loved, he had few interactions with family or friends, was not violent to anyone and he enjoyed gambling often in solitude, at casinos.
The police did not move towards Paddocks’ hotel room for nearly an hour later after the last burst of firing was reportedly heard. What happened during that 50 – 60 minutes of time? Perhaps the autopsy on Paddock’s body will give the cops a better clue on what really transpired.
According to this article in the Las-Vegas Review- Journal, 13 medical centers were used to treat the casualties and wounded (see: https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/las-vegas-area-hospitals-like-war-zones-after-strip-massacre/ ).
Six of the facilities were more than 9 miles away from the concert venue, the farthest being Centennial Hills Hospital Medical Center, a distance of 21.6 miles.
1. How come no one reported seeing or hearing medevac helicopters landing to evacuate the injured during a major mass casualty event of over 500 people?
2. How was it the police did not use tear gas when they were up on the 32nd floor?
3. Why hasn’t Paddock’s family claimed the body yet?
Law enforcement must conclusively prove an audit trail through forensic evidentiary discovery including video capture recordings that points to a motive for Paddock being the “lone gunman”. Until then, we must assume other perpetrators were involved.
The Deadliest Terrorist Attack On U.S. Soil Since 9/11
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85711#more-85711
This hoax is beyond absurd …….///////////////………….. They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.
But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now didn’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.
Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.
Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.
In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.
Russ,
I am following this story and I would appreciate it if you could provide the website where your comment, “But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. …” is shown in the supporting article. I want to pursue that with other investigators I am in contact with to better understand that statement.
Thanks,