Pakistan is located in Southern Asia, covering an area of almost 800.000km2, with neighbors such as China, India, Afghanistan and Iran. The population of Pakistan is almost 200 million people which are roughly separated in 4 major social groups: Punjabis, Pathans, Sindhis and Balochs. Although famous for their long-time dispute with India over the Kashmir region, Pakistan is facing serious security issues with the Taliban which are controlling the northern part of the country. The fact that the Taliban forces are spread throughout northern Pakistan and wide areas of Afghanistan doesn’t come as a surprise, but their growing presence near Islamabad represents a major threat to the Pakistanis army and their nuclear arsenal.
Written by Igor Pejic, edited by Viktor Stoilov
Pakistan has waged many battles against Al-Qaeda and other radical groups with the support of the US and other international forces, yet this help doesn’t come without a price. Assistance in fighting against terrorism was provided via unmanned aerial vehicles – drones which were operated by the US Central Intelligence Agency division. Although deadly for militants, drone strikes have caused many civilian casualties while operating since 2004. After the tragic incident in Salala which ended in more than twenty dead Pakistani soldiers, drone strikes have been halted and the relations between Pakistan and NATO have become colder. Nevertheless the US still treats Pakistan as one of the most important allies in the region and the biggest non-NATO ally. This is mainly due to the Pakistan’s nuclear armament. If somehow the Taliban tribes get the better of Pakistan’s army and acquire nuclear weapons they will probably deliver the nuclear warheads around the globe .
Although facing this worst-case scenario, Pakistan is relentless in their pursuit for better and larger nuclear arsenal. The country tested its first nuclear weapon in 1998 and since then it has one of the fastest growing nuclear arsenals in the world, adding as much as ten weapons per year. Increasing plutonium production and uranium-enrichment program, Pakistan could have the fifth or even third largest arsenal by 2020. Delivery systems have also been upgraded. Mirage-5 and F-16 squadrons are supported by short and medium range ballistic missiles such as Hatf-II 180km, Hatf-III 300km, Hatf-IV 700km, Hatf-V 900-1200 km range. This also includes short range missiles as 60km Hatf-IX and dual cruise missiles Hatf-VII 700 km range. All these systems contribute to ”full spectrum deterrence” and make a clear statement that the country is capable of defending its territory by conventional weapons as well as using tactical “nukes”.
Until 2008, the main concern for the Pakistanis military was India and their territorial claims over the Kashmir region. After 2008, Pakistan’s military has been actively battling Taliban insurgents and other radical groups which threaten the stability of the country. The Military has about 644,000 active troops deployed across ground forces – 550,000; Navy 23,800; Air 70,000 and Paramilitary of 304,000 units.
Army of Pakistan
The Army of Pakistan has about 550,000 active units (500,000 reserves) and is divided into 9 corps, each of which has its own HQ across the country.
I Corps-Mangla Cantonment, Punjab
– 6th Armored Division headquartered at Gujranwala
– 17th Infantry Division headquartered at Kharian
– 37th Infantry Division headquartered at Kharian
– 11th Separate Armored Brigade
– Separate Air Defence Brigade
– Separate Artillery Brigade
– Separate Infantry Brigade
II Corps-Multan, Punjab
– 1st Armored Division headquartered at Multan
– 14th Infantry Division headquartered at Okara
– 40th Infantry Division headquartered at Okara
– Separate Armored Brigade
– Separate Air Defence Brigade
– Separate Artillery Brigade
– Separate Infantry Brigade
IV Corps-Lahore, Punjab
– 2nd Artillery Division headquartered at Gujranwala
– 10th Infantry Division headquartered at Lahore
– 11th Infantry Division headquartered at Lahore
– 3rd Independent Armored Brigade
– 212th Infantry Brigade
– Separate Artillery Brigade
V Corps-Karachi, Sindh
– 16th Infantry Division headquartered at Pano Aqil
– 18th Infantry Division headquartered at Hyderabad
– 25th Mechanized Division headquartered at Malir
– 31st Mechanized Brigade headquartered at Malir
– 2nd Separate Brigade headquartered at Malir
– Separate Armored Brigade
– Separate Artillery Brigade
X Corps-Rawalpindi, Punjab
– 12th Infantry Division headquartered at Muree
– 19th Infantry Division headquartered at Mangla
– 23rd Infantry Division headquartered at Jhelum
– Force Command Northern Areas – headquartered at Gilgit
– 111th Infantry Brigade headquartered at Rawalpindi
– 8th Armored Brigade headquartered at Kharian
– Independent Artillery Brigade
XI Corps- Peshawar, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
– 7th Infantry Division headquartered at Peshawar
– 9th Infantry Division headquartered at Kohat
– Separate Armored Brigade headquartered at Nowshera
XII Corps- Quetta, Balochistan
– 33rd Infantry Division headquartered at Quetta
– 41st Infantry Division headquartered at Quetta
– Separate Infantry Brigade headquartered at Turbat
– Separate Armored Brigade headquartered at Khuzdar
– Artillery Division headquarters at Pano Aqil
XXX Corps- Gujranwala, Punjab
– 8th Infantry Division headquartered at Sialkot
– 15th Infantry Division headquartered at Sialkot
– 2nd Separate Armored Brigade
– Separate Anti-Tank Brigade
– Separate Artillery Brigade
XXXI Corps- Bahawalpur, Punjab
– 26th Mechanized Division headquartered at Bahawalpur
– 35th Infantry Division headquartered at Bahawalpur
– 13th Separate Armored Brigade
– 101st Separate Infantry Brigade
Army Air Defence Command – HQ at Rawalpindi
– 3rd Air Defence Division headquartered at Sargodha
– Air Defence Division headquartered at Malir
Army Strategic Forces Command – HQ at Rawalpindi
– 21st Division headquartered at Pano Aqil
– 22nd Division headquartered at Sargodha
Military Intelligence:
The Directorate of the Military intelligence also known as “Military Intelligence” (MI) is the intelligence office for Pakistan’s Army, its headquarters are based in Rawalpin. The MI is composed entirely of uniformed officers who are tasked with gathering intelligence, finding and eliminating sleeper cells, and other anti-state elements which threaten the country. The MI works in coordination with the Air and Naval Intelligence of the Pakistan Army. The agency was created in the 50s by Major General Robert Cawthom, The agency was most active in the 80s when was the countering the operations of the Pakistan Communist Party and during the Kargil Conflict in 1999.
The directorate for Inter-Service Intelligence also know as Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) is the primary intelligence service of Pakistan. The agency is responsible for providing crucial national security and intelligence for the government of Pakistan. ISI was established in 1948 in the aftermath of the Indo-Pakistan war in 1947. From the beginning, the agency has been led by a three-star general officer in the Pakistan Army. Currently the HQ of this agency is in Islamabad with three separate wings: Internal wing – dealing with counter-intelligence and political issues inside Pakistan; External wing – handling external issues; Analysis and Foreign Relations wing. This agency made great efforts in helping the Taliban and Mujahedeen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, and later in the 90s, ISI provided crucial information and situation assessment for the Taliban while fighting the Northern Alliance.
Departments of Inter-Service Intelligence:
– Covert Action Division responsible for paramilitary and covert operations as well as special activities.
– Joint intelligence coordinating all the other departments in the ISI.
– Joint intelligence bureau responsible for gathering political intelligence.
– Joint counterintelligence bureau responsible for surveillance of Pakistan’s diplomats and diplomatic agents abroad.
– Joint intelligence “North” exclusively responsible for the Jammu and Kashmir region and the Northern Areas.
– Joint intelligence miscellaneous responsible for espionage, including offensive intelligence operations, in other countries.
– Joint Signal intelligence bureau operates intelligence collections along the India-Pakistan border.
– Joint intelligence technical deals with development of science and technology to advance the Pakistan intelligence gathering.
– Special Service Directorate which monitors the terrorist groups activities that operate in Pakistan against the state of Pakistan.
– Political internal division monitoring the funding of the right-wing political science sphere against the left-wing political science circles.
Special Forces:
The state has a couple of special forces groups, most of which are in the military with the exception the Elite Police unit and SCU.
The Special Service Group (SSG) is an elite group for land operations and the parent force of the other special units in Pakistan. SSG is a regiment-sized group divided into 10 battalions with headquarters in Tarbela. The group was formed in the 50s and has a long history of various operations. One of their first assignments was to repel the Afghan incursions into Pakistan. Later on they participated in the Indo-Pakistan war in 1965 and 1971. During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan some of the troops in the SSG came into contact with the Soviet forces, allegedly there were clashes between Soviet paratroopers and the Special Service Group. The SSG participated in international missions as well. Regions such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Bosnia, Kosovo were one of them.
The Pakistan Marines are an expeditionary naval warfare branch of the Pakistan Armed Forces and consist of high-ranking officers and personnel of Pakistan’s Navy. The Marines are responsible for providing force projection from sea using the capabilities of the Navy, thus delivering combined-arms task forces. Established in 1990, it’s estimated that around 2,000 active units are in the Pakistan Marines. Looking at the military leadership structure, the Marines are a component of Pakistan’s Navy, actively participating in training, logistics, executing expeditionary operations with the Navy. The primary task of this group is defending the naval installations and monitoring the disputed Sir Creek border with India. Pakistan’s Naval Station Qasim is the naval base of the Pakistan Marines with the responsibility of maintaining various tasks: logistics, operational readiness, conducting basic training for Marines, supervision, ceremonial duties etc.
The Special Service Group Navy SSG(N) is the elite force of Pakistan’s Navy. The SSG(N) is deployed in various occasions including direct action and special reconnaissance missions, unconventional warfare, hostage rescue and counter-terrorism. The SSG(N) numbers between 700-1000 units, however the actual strength is classified. The formation of this group began after the Indo-Pakistan war in 1965. Following the advices of the US Navy, Pakistan decided to create its own special warfare unit. Recognizing the need for unconventional warfare, the government of Pakistan allowed the creation of SSG(N) in 1966. Much of SSG(N) is modeled by the US Seals, some of the troops are even sent to the United States for specialized training. The current HQ is based in Karachi.
The Special Service Wing SSW is a special operation unit of Pakistan’s Air Force. The unit is based upon US Army Rangers and US Air Force Special Tactics Squadron. The group was formed after 1965, same as SSG(N), the Air Force personnel and soldiers were merged with the Special Service Group with most of the members actively participating in the Afghan war in the 80s. The HQ of the group are based in Kallar Kahar-Punjab. The size of the SSW is between 800-1200 units.
The Elite Police or Police Commandos is a branch of Punjab’s Police which specializes in counter-terrorism and VIP security duties, as well as acting against serious crimes and high-risk situations. The group was formed in 1998 and expended in 2004 with more than 5000 new personnel. In the beginning, the main focus of this special force unit was counter-terrorism but in time its duties had been expended.
The Special Combat Unit (SCU) was formed in 2015 as a counter-terrorist group with the capability of rapid deployment. The HQ and trainings are currently being held in Nowshera. The group can be classified as light infantry with 150 troops. Although trained in military manner, SCU is a police special unit.
Manoeuver:
Armored: 2 armored divisions with 7 separate armored brigades.
Mechanized: 2 mechanized infantry divisions with 1 separate mechanized brigade.
Light: 18 infantry divisions with 5 separate infantry brigades.
Aviation: 5 composite aviation squadrons and 10 helicopter squadrons.
Combat Support is provided by 9 (corps) artillery brigades with 5 separate artillery brigades and 7 engineering brigades.
MAIN EQUIPMENT BY TYPE:
The Main battle tanks of the army are Al-Khalid and Al-Zarrar which were produced in a joint cooperation between Pakistan and China.
Armored personnel carriers – 1,390:
APC (T) 1.260: M113 Talha
APC (W) 120 BTR-70/BTR-80
PPV 10 Dingo II
ARTILLERY – 4,500:
The self-propelled artillery 375: 155mm 315: 200 M109A2; ε115 M109A5 203mm 60 M110/M110A2
Towed 1,659: 105mm 329: 216 M101; 122mm 570: 80 D-30 (PRC); 490 Type-54 M-1938; 130mm 410 Type-59-I; 155mm 322: 144 M114; 148 M198; ε30 Panter; 203mm 28 M115.
Multiple rocket launcher: 88 107mm Type 81; 122mm 52: 52 Azar ( Type-83); some KRL-122; 300mm 36 A100
Mortar 2350 : 81mm; 120mm AM-50; M-61
Man-portable anti-tank systems or MANPATS 11,100: 10.500 HJ-8/TOW; 600 9K119 Refleks (AT-11 Sniper)
Guns 85mm 200 Type-56 (D-44)
Helicopters: ATK 42: 25 AH-1F Cobra with TOW; 16 AH-1S Cobra; 1 Mi-24 Hind
Pakistan’s Navy
Pakistan’s Navy is securing the long shore from Iran to India with battleships as well as military submarines. In their arsenal there are vessels of national production such as Jalat II and Jurat ships which serve as costal guard or fast attack craft. The ambitious project regarding the nuclear submarine should be put into production between 2017-2020.
Submarines: 2 Hashmat (FRA Agosta 70) with 4 single 533mm ASTT with F17p HWT/UGM-84 Harpoon AShm.
3 Khalid (FRA Agosta 90B – 1 wit AIP) with 4 single 533mm ASTT with F17 Mod 2 GWT/SM-39 Exocet AShM.
Princpial surface combatants/Frigates: FFGHM 4 Sword (PRC Type-054) with 2 quad launcher with YJ-83 (c-802) AShM, 1 octuple launcher with HQ-7 SAM, 2 triple 324mm ASTT with Mk 46 LWT, sextuple Type 87 A/S mor, 1 Type 730B CIWS, 1 76mm gun, (capacity 1 Z-9C Haitun Hel).
FFGH 3: 2 Tariq (UK Amazon) with 2 twin Mk141 launcher with RGM-84D Harpoon AShM, 2 triple 324mm ASTT with Mk 46 LWT, 1 Phalanx Block 1B COWS, 1 114mm gun, (capacity 1 hel). 1 Tariq (UK Amazon) with 2 quad Mk141 launcher with RGM-84-D Harpoon AShM, 2 single TT with TP 45 LWT, 1 Phalanx Block 1B CIWS, 1 114mm gun, (capacity 1 hel).
FFHM 3 Tariq (UK Amazon) with 1 sextuple launcher with LY-60 (Aspide) SAM, 2 sinlge TT with TP 45 LWT, 1 Phalanx Block 1B CIWS, 1 114mm gun, (capacity 1 hel).
FFH 1 Alamgir (US Oliver Hazard Perry) with 2 triple 24mm ASTT with Mk46 LWT, Phalanx CIWS, 1 76mm gun.
Patrol and costal combatants: PCG 2 Azmat (PRC Houjian mod) with 2 quad launcher with YJ-83 (C-802A) AShM, 1 AK630 CIWS.
PBFG 2 Zarrar each with 4 single each with RGM-84 Harpoon AShM.
PBG 4: 2 Jalalat II with 2 twin launcher with C-902 (CSS-N-8 Saccade) AShM. 2 Jurrat with 2 twin launcher with C-802 (CSS-N-8 Saccade) AShM.
Mine warfare / Mine countermeasures: MHC 3 Munsif (FRA Eridan)
Amphibious: Landing craft UCAC 4 Griffon 2000
Logistics and support: AGS 1 Behr Paima. AOL 2 Madagar
The Air Force
The Air Force is placed under three regional commands: the Northern in Peshawar, the Central in Sargodha and the Southern in Masroor. This allows better control of the country’s air space and strategic position in case of a foreign aggression.
Forces by role
Fighter: 2 squadrons with F-7p/FT-7p Skybolt. 3 squadrons with F-7PG/FT-7GP Airguard. 1 squadron with F16A/B Fighting Falcon. 1 squadron with Mirage IIID/E (IIIOP/EP).
Fighter/Ground attack: 1 squadron with JF-17 Thunder (FC-1). 1 squadron (forming) with JF-17 Thunder (FC-1). 1 squadron with F-16C/D Block 52 Fighting Falcon. 3 squadrons with Mirage 5 (5PA).
Electronic Warfare/ ELINT: 1 squadron with Falcon 20F.
Tanker: 1 squadron with II-78 Midas.
Transport: 1 squadron with C-130B/E Hercules; CN-235M-220; L-100-20. 1 VIP squadron with B-707; Cessna 560XL Citation Excel; CN-235M-220; F-27-200 Friendship; Falcon 20E; Gulfstream IVSP. 1 squadron with EMB-500 Phenom 100; Y-12 (II).
Air Defence: 1 bty with CSA-1 (SA-2 Guideline); 9K310 Igla-1 (SA-16 Gimlet). 6 bty with Crotale. 10 bty with SPADA 2000.
Nuclear program
After the Indo-Pakistan war in 1971 which resulted in a crushing defeat for Pakistan (loosing roughly 150,000 km2 of territory), the country sought a way out of that bad situation. Pakistan Nuclear development program began in January 1972, with the idea to have the bomb ready by 1976. With much complication of the project, as well as lack of professional staff, the first test was conducted in May 1998. Pakistan is the first country with Muslim majority to have nuclear weapons, though the need for these weapons of mass destruction derives mainly from the fact that India possesses such as well.
Although having serious security issues in the country, and not being a member of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, Pakistan has never been labeled as a country that has an offensive chemical or biological program. On the anniversary of the first nuclear test in May 2009, the Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif claimed that Pakistan’s nuclear security is one of the strongest in the world.
Pakistan’s nuclear program still pushes forward. There are reports which state that the country is building new and more sophisticated weapons adding tritium (few grams of tritium can result in an increase of the explosive yield by 300% to 400%) and building modern research facilities. As stated by the former Indian Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran: “Pakistan’s expanding nuclear capability is no longer driven solely by its oft-cited fears of India, but by the paranoia about US attacks on its strategic assets.” As of 2014, the focus of nuclear development shifted to smaller, tactical weapons that can potentially be used on the battlefield.
Thus we come to Pakistan’s military branch for nuclear weapons – Strategic Forces. This military wing is in charge of the nuclear assets, their maintenance, security, administrative control etc. The number of strategic forces varies between 12,000 and 15,000 units and also includes a portion of the Air Force. The Strategic Forces command all land-based strategic nuclear forces. Operational control rests with the National Command Authority (NCA).
HQ Rawalpindi, Punjab Province
Nuclear Doctrine – promotes deterrence by guaranteeing an immediate massive retaliation to aggressive attacks against the state.
Delivery system (missiles):
Hatf II – supersonic short-range ballistic missile (SRBM); production – Space research Commission (SUPARCO); weight – 1,750 kg; range – 180 km; warhead – single conventional high explosive (HE) 500 kg or nuclear explosive (NE) ; engine – single stage solid propellant; launch platform – transporter erector launcher (TEL).
Hatf III – SRBM; production – National Development Complex (NDC); weight – 5,256 kg; range 290-320 km; warhead – conventional HE 700 kg or NE; engine – single stage solid fuel rocket motor; launch platform – TEL.
Hatf IV – SRBM; production – NDC; weight – 10,000 kg; range 750-900 km; warhead – single conventional HE 1,000 kg or NE; engine – solid fuel rocket; launch platform – TEL.
Hatf V – medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM); production – Missile factory, Pyongyang; weight – 15,850 kg, range 2,300 km; warhead – singe HE or NE; engine – single stage liquid fuel rocket engine; launch platform – TEL.
Hatf VI – MRBM; production – NDC; weight – 25,000 kg; range 2,000 km; warhead – conventional HE or NE; engine – two stage solid fuel rocket motor; launch platform – TEL.
Hatf VII – MRBM; production – NDC; weight – 1,500/2,000 kg; range 700 km; warhead – conventional HE or NE; engine – Turbofan; launch platform – TEL.
Hatf VIII – Air launch cruise missile (ALCM); production – Air Weapons Complex (AWC); weight – 1,100 kg; range 350 km; warhead – single conventional HE 450 kg or NE 10-35 kt; engine – Turbofan; launch platform – combat aircraft.
Hatf IX – Tactical ballistic missile; production – NDC; weight – 100 kg; range 60 km; warhead – plutonium nuclear warhead 0,5-5 kt; engine – single-stage rocket motor; launch platform – TEL.
Power of nuclear warheads:
Yield of two test bombs used in 1998 by Pakistan is estimated for Changai-I 40 kt of TNT and Changai-II 20 kt of TNT.
Hatf VIII or Ra’ad missile carried by fighter jets is estimated yield between 10 and 35 kt of TNT.
Hatf IX or Vengeance is a low yield tactical missile with estimated blast yield between 0,5 and 5 kt of TNT.
Most powerful warheads in the arsenal are carried by Hatf V or Ghauri missiles with the estimated yield between 300 and 500 kt of
TNT. This warhead is very similar to the US warhead W88 with the yield of 475 kilotons. Note that nuclear explosions of 500 kt usually eradicate everything in 4 mile radius.
MSL Strategic 60+:
MRBM e30 Ghauri/Gharui II (Haft V)/Shaheen-2 (Haft VI in test). SRBM 30+: e30Ghaznavi (Hatf III PRC M-11)/Shaheen-1 (Hatf IV; some Abdali (Hatf II). LACM Babur (Hatf VII; Ra’ad (Hatf VIII in test).
Artillery/MRL : Nasr (Hatf IX likely nuclear capable; in development)
Air Force: 1-2 squadron of F-16A/B or Mirage 5 may be assigned a nuclear strike role.
Taliban in Pakistan are not same taliban in Afghanistan. India installed so called taliban in Pakistan, these are not real taliban, even Afghanistan taliban fight taliban in Pakistan.
India put their agents in Pakistan to destabilize it, waiting for right time to strike with the help of Israel.
I have spoken to people in Pakistan, some of dead taliban in pakistan found ”un-circumcized” these are not muslims, these are sikhs and hindus agents.
Dont know about Talibans but India was the one to start the bitter feud by helping create Bangladesh out of what was formerly East Pakistan.
Kindly send some links to backup your “spoken” angle .Factual info shall help to give a validity to your comment .Taliban…oh like good terrorist and bad terrorist differentiation.
if you have time watch the whole story of british journalist ”in the hands of Taliban”, it will give you a clear idea that Taliban in Afghanistan are not what the western mainstream media is telling us:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq0YiKM-hvk
“…As stated by the former Indian Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran: “Pakistan’s expanding nuclear capability is no longer driven solely by its oft-cited fears of India, but by the paranoia about US attacks on its strategic assets…..”
Why is an Indian government official being quoted to characterize the nuclear program of Pakistan? How can he have an objective assessment? He is clearly trying to play into US/Western fears about Muslims and Muslims countries. Would you quote an US official if you were trying to present a fair analysis of Russian military program/doctrine?
“…Why is an Indian government official being……”
This was supposed to appear as a comment, not as a reply to anyone. Sorry, my mistake.
@whoever
Here begins the Pakistani trolling: what’s your objection to a factual quote from the author? He’s simply pointing out that Indians believe that the threat of a US attack is part of the motive to expand the primitive Pakistani arsenal.
I noticed that you didn’t object to ridiculous reprinting in this article that Pakistan is looking to complete a nuclear sub by 2017-2020. This so fanciful that it’s almost funny: Pakistan can’t even design and build a power-generating commercial nuclear plant on land, how are they going to acquire the sophisticated technology to build a miniaturized and safe nuclear power plant to go in a submarine by 2020? That country doesn’t even design it’s own diesel electric subs.
“…I noticed……………”
If you have any grievances towards what the author has to say please direct them towards him/her, just like I did. Putting words into some one else’s mouth then arguing him on it or starting your response by accusing him/her to be a troll without presenting a meaningful counter to some one’s argument is just immature.
I don’t have a grievance with the author of this first attempt to template Pakistan geopolitically and militarily; he/they have done a fairly good job, it’s a start, it is version 1.0. Given that they have drawn info from open sources there will be errors as the gaping one regarding exaggerations regarding Pakistan nuclear sub capabilities (which are non existent) or the yields on Pakistan’s primitive HEU Uranium based fission bombs. This is not the authors exaggerating but errors in their source material. As time progresses and they review their material along with subject matter experts they’ll excise the errors and refine their Pakistan File.
My objection was to the selective hypocrisy in your post/complaint: there was no factual error from the authors when they quote someone, they are simply reporting someone else’s perception and not attributing final authority to it like you asserted.
yea I have heard those indians are dasterdly at the very least.. always causing all kinds of mischief in pakistan because of the pakistani lack of character it is easy to manipulate them..
@mmirww
You had me laughing in the floor again. Excellent repost. ;-)
BTW, I’ve noticed your posting contain a lot of info and detail re the Syrian conflict, really really good stuff. What are current news sources or feeds for this info? syrper, leith fadel? Almasdar etc?
Any pointers would be appreciated.
Best Regards.
(PS: if you are comfortable with it, can provide insight as to your cultural origin? You seem have an uncanny appreciation of the psychology and situation transpiring in India, Pakistan, and Syria.)
You already know some of them, it is very hard to get any real info. The thing is you just have to waste a lot of time watching.. But basically I have found local reporters are very reliable mostly because they want to gain credibility.. And also they publish local news papers so if they lie, they wont have many customers.. Unlike western MSM these are small time papers with only a handful of employees so they are sometimes wrong but being local they talk to their friends who work inside the government.. Would be like getting info from your uncle, not always accurate but you get an idea.. Like stock tips.. So finding small time local reports are the best way to go about it. Zaid has family in the area but remember, its all rumors.. We know the rumors about out own locality so there is some truth and mostly hope.. Which is still better than the blatent made up lies which has no basis in reality at all.. That “hope” lets us know what the people want to see happen and where they are coming from.. Sana is the government outlet but they dont print the hopeless stuff so rather than lie they omit the worst.. Cant blame them..
you already know elijahjm.. he seems to know people inside the syrian command.. maybe his uncle.. last time I took a stock tip it cost me a house though..
https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/
Dear mmirww,
Thank you for your reply, really appreciate it.
Re: thanks for the information. Now on the analysis: This may be a bit of a digression but I have been watching the folks at South Front since the get-go almost 2 years ago. And I am impressed. However, for the anti Hegemon forces to prevail we must not only out-think the spokesmen, but also we must be quicker on our feet. This requires a thorough understanding of their constant use of “double-talk” and “double-think” which is based in the younger ones in their experience in making and playing computer generated games and reality. It is not only a tactic but it is a brain based world view which makes it very, very tricky. They do not understand historical events ..in fact there is a State Department spokesperson who boasts that he was a C-minus student of history at Florida State University. So for the Russians to talk of the glorious Western alliance with them against “common enemy” like that against Nazism and to think that this even means anything to these ahistorical spokesmen is a big, big mistake. it certainly does not mean the same thing. Basically, they do not even think the same especially the younger ones.
So dear folks at South Front..not only have you ( and many of you have done excellently) mastered English, but also you need to learn English as double speak/think. This is frightening because what makes us human is a common socialization of agreed upon meaning. The horrifying aspect to my living in the USA, smack dab upon an old Soviet strike zone, is that the leadership of this country has in effect become psychotic—they live in their own private Idaho and insist that it is real, as real as an imaginary world is to an 8 year old until his mother interrupts him to demand, to his annoyance, that he do homework or, increasingly rare these days, come down and join the family meal.
I listened to some idiot Congressman from Wisconsin boast—
“Well the Russians aren’t as good as they think they are.” and then go on to lay out an equally insane position based on this thesis. At least RT is doing little vignettes I call “reality checks”.
@Anonymous Dec 5, 5:42 UTC
Your post was excellent.
Let me add detail to one of your points:
..in fact there is a State Department spokesperson who boasts that he was a C-minus student of history at Florida State University.
The name of that individual is, get this… is Admiral Kirby. (Yes, Adm. Kirby is the same State Dept guy that RT’s stunning babe-with-a-sharp-brain, Gayane Chichakyan, regularly exposes as a conscience-less psychopathic buffoon). He not only boasted about his poor grades, when being introduced in his new role as State Dept Spin Doctor, Deflector and Proud Liar-in-Chief, but even added that he barely graduated university (with a History Degree!? What could be easier?). When I watched that, I almost vomitted: I can’t believe I’m living in culture where being stupid, incompetent and an open butt-licksr is such a virtue that a willing government underling felt compelled to boast about it on live TV. That by a US navy Rear admiral no less. The degradation of the culture here has become surreal and cartoonish I can’t take seriously anything when we see a culture that is destroying its own power by accelerating incompetence to the top and burying competence and the truth.
Yes. They are also chomping at the bit to attack Russian convoys to the newly expanded FOBs in central Syria and the State Dept. spokesman saying the ‘Turkomen’ were ‘defending themselves’ when they shot a parachuting Russian pilot showed both astounding ignorance of the Geneva Conventions and sociopathy/psychopathy. These people really do think that they’re going to get a second Afghanistan for Russia in Syria without bloody blowback, and I don’t just mean Houthis killing Saudis on Saudi soil which is already taking place. Try Turkish soldiers dying in significant numbers too. At least thus far it seems despite McInsane’s wet dreams the DoD vetoed passing out MANPADs like candy in an environment where U.S. helos are also operating.
Yes, somewhere along the line the Simpsons instead of being comic cartoon mocking of the lowest of US Culture, Intelligence and Thought, ended up being the Template. Specifically Homer.
Article says, “If somehow the Taliban tribes get the better of Pakistan’s army and acquire nuclear weapons they will probably deliver the nuclear warheads around the globe .”
Really? I have my doubts. Why would they do that? Why, as a general rule, would any ruthless group with major potential enemies, upon getting their hands on some nuclear weapons, hand them over to anyone else? If I were a Taliban leader and managed somehow to come into power in Pakistan, I would look over my shoulder at India, the US, nearby China and so forth, and I would say “Thank almighty Allah that I have a deterrent against these infidel hounds’ aggression!” and I would make damned sure those nukes stayed firmly under my control.
True,I think they would keep the majority under their control. That would be commonsense. But if they are increasing at 10 or so a year. There is the possibility that they might sell or give one or two to like minded groups. And if not that,then the technology and materials for those others to make their own. I think that may be what the report meant. Remember its been said that North Korea’s nuclear program got a start with Pakistani scientific help. And that some of their scientists were working on nuclear weapons research with some other countries as well in the past.
You say that because you’re utterly ignorant of the ideology and mindset that drives a Salafist and Wahhabist.
You are trying to impose your contrarian mindset on hateful nihilists and, of course, you’re going to draw the wrong conclusions. Thank God that countries like Russia, China and India are run by individuals who are far more cognizant of the real consequences would be if an true believer Islamist Wahhabist type Taliban were to achieve this milestone. That’s why they would destroy Pakistan’s nuclear facilities and storage sites -at any cost- to prevent the consequences of an inevitable rogue nuclear attack on one of their population centers. Look what Putin is doing in Syria to preempt terrorist attacks in Southern Russia: he’s exterminating the Islamists in Syria proactively. Putin said it recently: “If I know someone’s going to attack me anyway, I’ll hit them first [bfore they get a chance to do even greater harm]. That would be exactly that mindset of Pres. Xi , PM. Modi and President Putin: destroy the Pakistani nuclear arsenal and all production facilities before the Islamist Idiots that hijacked that country learn how to effectively hide and use the bombs.
You are mixing up the sane and rational Iranians with the absolutely sick, butcherous and vicious Takfiri & Salafi minded nihilists that plague Sunni Fundamentalism. It’s terribly insulting to the Iranians to assume that if Pakistani extremist Salafist Islamists come to power that they will be rational like Islamic Iran -the sane and rational behavior of Iran cannot be usurped and attributed to Salafists, Wahhabis and takfiris.
I’m not convinced the Taliban are Wahabists in the first place. Most Pakistani Taliban likely got their education from ISI-funded extremist madrasas, not Saudi-funded ones, and the ISI probably wouldn’t have wanted their home-grown extremists to be drawing their inspiration from Saudi Arabia. Most Afghan Taliban right now are just a bunch of Pashtuns with a whole constellation of reasons to hate the US-backed “government”, some of them religiously extreme but many of them not in particular. Pre-2001, the old Taliban used Al Qaeda but didn’t totally trust them or see things their way, and their brand of Islam was pretty hardass but not the kind of thing we see from the likes of ISIS.
Dear Purple Library Guy,
You are again making assumptions based on your beliefs rather than operating on facts: the brand of Islamism that the ISI indoctrinated the Afghan Taliban with makes Saudi Wahhabism look moderate. The reason you do this is because you do not speak the language(s) of the region (not being able to hear the views of the Taliban in raw form) and due to some kind of base level ideology that allows you to turn a blind eye to supremacy, nationalism, theocracy and bigotry if committed by Sunni Islamism. Your defense of the sharia courts regime in Somalia while condemning Ethopia springs to mind. In this situation too, you are completely ignorant about the real mindset & ideology of the beligerents: the Pakistani Islamo-Supremacist & Islamo-Nationalist ideology of many in the Pakistani establishment, including the ISI, and the ISI warped/indoctrinated Taliban. A small example: even wahhabist Saudi Arabia allows schools for girls, yet Pakistani ISI indoctrinated Taliban have killed, poisoned/sickened and threatened young girls that attend school. So these guys are even more extreme than their Saudi allies. This a small example, there are many other examples which show how twisted and divergent these ISI indoctrinated Taliban have become from their traditional form of Islam and Pathan tribal culture. You have no idea -at all- about their mindset or ideology – unlike the earthly, carnal and greedy Daesh mercenaries and serial killers, many of these guys (ie Pathans) really are fearless and quite willing to play a zero sum game based on principle. Worse than them though are Pakistani Punjabi Islamists who are even more hardcore in their Islamist beliefs and are willing to burn the house down with them in it to fulfill their theological fantasies.
and the ISI probably wouldn’t have wanted their home-grown extremists to be drawing their inspiration from Saudi Arabia.
Again, the above shows you making an assumption based on your complete lack of understanding of the Pakistani Pan-Islamism mindset and that of the people they indoctrinated. Back in those days, Pakistani Islamist ideologues (like those in the ISI) considered Arabs, particularly Saudis/Khalij Arabs, to be akin to the “chosen ones”, they had a huge inferiority complex and literally treated them like some kind of Upper Caste or Super caste: it was pretty sickening to witness, and I have witnessed it personally. So your supposition is contrary to the actual mindset of the people you’re referring to. Due to this misguided theologically inspired class system (based on the mistaken belief of Arab superiority in Islamic affairs stemming from the story of the Hijaz bloodline), both Pathans and Pakistanis treated Arabs with a deference that they do not exhibit towards other Muslim groups.
Pakistan time and time again (til recently with their wise snubbing of Saudi Arabia in Yemen) have sold out their own people to curry favor with their erstwhile Arab masters. So your supposition does not hold water.
Thanks for this useful information but I disagree that the Taliban could take over the Pakistani nukes.
We need to appreciate that the Taliban are a progeny of the Mujahideen who were created with the combined efforts of CIA and ISI against the Soviets and later on served as a continuous force of chaos and destruction in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan.
They presented the pretext for the US and NATO invasion of Afghanistan which is still ongoing.
There are a lot of similarities between Taliban and ISIS; they follow the same poisonous Wahhabi ideology, are supported and funded by same states and non-state actors and serve the same goals.
The idea that the Taliban could take control of Pakistani nuclear arsenal is absurd and has been promoted by the Western MSM to further their agenda of showcasing them as a monster that necessitates long-term presence of US forces in AFPAK. I suggest caution against such propaganda as it only serves US interests.
@Shaman
I don’t know if you’re from that part of the world or an apologist for Pakistanis, but the possiblility of a nuke ending up in the hands of a scientist or engineer with Islamist leanings is very real. So real that even Pakistani officials and physicists (Pervez Hoodboy) openly profess their concern stating exactly that.
Comparing Pakistani Wahhabist Islamists to impotent trailer park American White Supremecists is ridiculous. The Pakistani Taliban have tied down a huge portion of the Pakistani military with a very effective military campaign that keeps increasing in scope and violence. Meanwhile white supremacists in the US can only muster up the courage to call people names on internet radio, dress-up in white-pointed-hat pajamas – like little kids playing make-believe- and make utter fools of themselves on Jerry Springer.
I recall a nuclear bomb was sidetracked surreptitiously by the Air Force. It was discovered and some high-ups lost their jobs. The #2 @ the Joint Chiefs is Air Force; the Air Force is infested w/end-timers. They’re itching for Armageddon, and hope to talk us all with them. While the Homer Simpson analogy is cute, I think Gen. Jack D. Ripper is more appropriate.
Pakistani nuclear assets getting into hands of extremists is comparing US nukes getting in to hands of White supremacy groups. How can rag tag terrorist group can defeat a 5 mil standing army is beyond me. They can blow up a suicide bomber here and there which is then exaggerated by the media including the media inside the country which is completely sold out.
Although I am sure Pakistan is on the list of the countries to be rubbelised like Syria, Iraq or Libya. Only thing which is saving it is the strong Army. All the political class is long sold out.
By the way there is a real chance of Indian nukes getting into hands of Hindu Extremists as they are in the government and showing their true colours.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/205196198/State-Sponsored-Genocide-in-India-BrassTacks-Paper
What 5 million man standing army? Is that the quality of your facts? The Pakistan Army is 500,000 that’s 10 times less that your claim. I guess the rest of your info is as accurate sane and objective too.
It must be a very strange universe you live in where Pakistan has an army twice the size of the PLA, and mass murder by Islamist terrorists in Russia, Syria, Pakistan, China, Iraq, and Africa are figments of our imagination and the real bad guys are pacifist Buddhist fundamentalists in Sri-Lanka.
Hindu fundamentalist strikes again!
Pot calling the kettle black!
ROFL!
I meant .5 Mil standing army. Makes no diff anyways, its still a large enough number to be defeated by any terrorist outfit.
Freudian slip? Did the truth slip our of you by mistake?
It’s [500,000 soldier army] still a large enough number to be defeated by terrorists.
Yes I agree, just as you say, your army can “be defeated” by an irregular group of motivated insurgents. -that’s why the Pakistani army is taking such a beating at the hands of the insurgence in the NWFP.
The poor performance of the Pakistani army not due to its shoddily treated and haphardly trained punjabhi soldiers (who, given proper training and fair treatment would be very tough), it’s due to your fat bloated spoiled bombastic officer corp’s incompetence and corruption (plus their debauch self-indulgences of alcohol, cocaine, heroin, weekend whores -from girls of lower middleclass families- and inflated egos). The poor Pak-army soldiers are so demotivated while the lean and very angry (and justified) Pathan insurgents stay highly motivated and lean.
Any sources or you are just speculating ?
Dear User “Blacky”
How about you practice what you preach first? Ok? Lead by example and supply sources yourself before demanding them.
You yourself have agreed that the Pathan/Pakhtoon insurgency is more the adequate for defeating the Pak Army – see your own quote above highlighted in blue. Do you have sources? or were you just speculating?
Who on earth is this hilarious troll? Pakistan has performed the best out of any country in counter terror operations; Op Zarb e Azab, Rah e Nijat etc have gained international acclaim because of the rough terrain and hardy fighters they helped defeat.
This user seems like an Indian troll (a nation so thoroughly lobotomized they watch media outlets which fabricate Dawood Ibrahim phonecalls to make it look like he’s in Pakistan, LOL) who’s pushing the whole ‘Pakistan = Wahabi’ nonsense.
Wahabism was imported to Pakistan in the 80s; yes, the idiotic Pakistani establishment didn’t see it as a long term threat but Pakistan hasn’t fostered any sort of extremism after 2000. It has fought against it. India on the other hand votes extremists (BJP) into its literal government.
In the interests of full disclosure I am a Pakistani.
To the author of the article.
The only way that terrorists could get hold of Pakistani nukes is if the country collapses. This is only possible from a “big helping hand” from other states a la Libya style or Syria style. These terrorist groups are used by outside forces to cause destabilisation in Pakistan so that what the world witnessed in Libya or dare I say it Yugoslavia in 1990’s can happen in Pakistan.
This has not gone to plan after the false flag of 9/11 and Abottabad affair so they have now upped the ante in stoking up sectarian strife.
We pray that Pakistan moves closer to Christian Russia and makes an alliance akin to the one with China. Russia is doing right in the world and I pray that Pakistani leaders see this.
At this point in time, it is not Pakistani Nukes that for me are the worry.
How about them Nukes in the grand old USA in the hands of the NeoCons? Hey, we can win a Nuke exchange, our military industrial brochures advertise they will protect us from blow back, lets strike….
Crickets.
Such is the prevailing mentality that worries me in the Land of the Free (NOT) and Home of the Brave (Definitely NOT).
Hi,
Indian geopolitical agenda of an “Akhnad Bharat” or “Greater India” stretching from beyond Afghanistan all the way to Burma and beyond and the presence of radical, fanatic and terrorist Hindus at the helm of affairs in India makes for a very unpredictable and explosive situation in the subcontinent. Fascist India has not only terrorized its indigenous peoples who have no say in their own affairs and are treated as outcasts but has had outright to low intensity military conflict with all surrounding states from China to Pakistan to Sri Lanka to Bangladesh. With others like Nepal and Bhutan the modus operandi has been direct control over their foreign policy and internal affairs with only a limited role and degree of freedom allowed to the ruling elites within . It has also subjugated independent peoples and whole territories from Kashmir to Hyderabad to Junagarh to territories in the North East from its very inception.
The projection of soft power through Bollywood, cultural subversion of whole peoples, creation of anti-Islamic stereotypes has no match elsewhere not even Hollywood. The democratic façade is a PR event of such a scale that it baffles the mind. Most Indian states have poverty levels worse than sub-Saharan Africa. A corrupt judicial system, corrupt police and bureaucratic red tape are the norm.
Now Pakistan is caught up in the proximity of this hegemon. It suffered loss of huge swathes of territories and whole peoples to Indian aggression time and again. Add to this the Soviet intervention in neighboring Afghanistan in the 80s and the Indian attempt to crush Pakistan under the Indian hammer and the Soviet anvil, the migration of millions of Afghan refugees to Pakistan, the interference of multiple intelligence agencies and you have a masala mix of explosive proportions. Pakistan is caught up in the middle of all of this. Pakistan’s retaliation and counter punch in Indian Punjab and its attempt to create a buffer in-between to cushion the Indian aggression, its war efforts against the soviets in Afghanistan with American help just brought it enough time to obtain a nuclear deterrent against overwhelming odds.
Yes Pakistan is no saint and has had its own moments of blunder but in comparison to India it definitely is a saint.
Now to judge Pakistan and come up with a verdict of guilty is not only a great injustice but goes against the very ideals of the Saker community.
Dear Tester
You must be a particularly frustrated individual that you projected all of Pakistan’s failures and flaws onto the mythical Indian “Super-Duper Hyper Hegemon”.
Your posting is a great example of Islamist double-speak; perhaps learned from Pakistan’s coddling benefactors in Westminster: you accuse others of precisely what you yourself are guilty of. Let’s look at a few examples;
Indian geopolitical agenda of an “Akhnad Bharat” or “Greater India” stretching from beyond Afghanistan all the way to Burma and beyond
as opposed to the Pakistani deobandi kilafat (caliphate) ideology of its twisted military and alcohol drinking cocaine-snorting fake Muslim nationalist elite and ISI which wants a Sunni Caliphate that stretches from Spain to China including all of Russia (ROFL good luck with trying to conquer just Russia!). Just curious as to how well that project is proceeding? What with Russian carpet bombing and decimation of ISIL.
fanatic and terrorist Hindus at the helm of affairs in India makes for a very unpredictable and explosive situation
Yes there are no Islamist fools and hateful fanatics at the helm of affairs in Pakistan, they are all moderate liberal democrats that don’t sponsor wahhabist terrorists. This is why Pakistan is so stable and non-explosive. Touché you win that point hands down”
[India] has had outright low intensity military conflict with all surrounding states
I think you’re confusing Pakistan with India on this point too. It is not Pakistab that sponsors Islamic terrorists that create conflict in all it’s neighbors? Let’s see… Pakistan sponsors Sunni terrorists in Iran, Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan, uygur terrorists in china, Sunni terrorists in India, even Sunni terrorists in Bangladesh.
The projection of soft power through Bollywood, cultural subversion of whole peoples, creation of anti-Islamic stereotypes has no match elsewhere not even Hollywood.
even though most of the leading male actors playing the hero role in Bollywood are Muslims? How devious and clever of the Indian! They must be getting geopolitical-judo advice from Putin.
It [Pakistan] suffered loss of huge swathes of territories and whole peoples to Indian
aggression[defense, superior strategy and execution] time and again.Yes you are right that Pakistan has lost to India time and time again, but you omit is that these losses only occurred after the Pakistani Juntas made the boneheaded decision to militarily attack India “because one Islamic soldier is worth ten kuffar soldiers” to quote that imbecile YahYah Khan, your supremo Junta leader in 1971. Your country needed wise, patient and strategic leaders like Vladimir Putin, instead your system produced impulsive hot-headed idiots similar to Erdogan. This boneheaded Ukronazi style Islamist thinking lead to the following as pointed out by the article:
the Indo-Pakistan war in 1971 which resulted in a crushing defeat for Pakistan (loosing roughly 150,000 km2 of territory).
Add to this the Soviet intervention in neighboring Afghanistan in the 80s and the Indian attempt to crush Pakistan under the Indian hammer and the Soviet anvil,
yes Indians and Russians are very bad and Pakistanis are innocent victims that dont bare any malice or hatred in their hearts. The Pakistani state is just so maligned, it just isn’t fair.
Pakistan’s retaliation and counter punch in Indian Punjab
so you are saying that Pakistan was absolutely justified in colluding with the proto-neocon Reagan administration in sponsoring rabid fundamentalist Khalistani terrorism in Indian Punjabh. You can’t be faulted for that at all, even if it lead to the bombing of an Air India Jet 747 filled with innocent Indians and Canadians. Yep poor misunderstood Pakistan had no choice but to support mass murdering terrorists as always. It was a “counterpunch” for altruistic reasons.
Well done old Chap! Pakistan’s British masters in MI6 must be very proud at how well certain Pakistanis have mastered their philosophy of Double-Speak and Double-Think.
u nailed it perfectly .
Frankly, there’s plenty of room for the ruling classes of both India and Pakistan to be rotten–heck, I’d throw in Bangladesh for good measure.
@Purple Library guy,
As if your views are based on facts.
The only thing you seem to indulge in is slandering entire peoples and nations based on your uninformed opinions. Now you’re condemning the poor Bangladeshis even though they have nothing to do with this article.
Let’s see, … you condemned Ethiopia for doing in Somalia precisely what Putin is doing in Syria – proactively taking out a staging ground for Islamist terrorists before they grow, metastasize and stage attacks on the homeland. (Ethiopia did it by efficiently destroying the Sharia-courts theocratic autocracy in Somalia, and Putin by destroying those human garbage Islamist Jihadis in Daesh).
Then you condemn India for no reason or connection to this article.
Now you condemn the moderate government of Bangladesh -for no reason or connection to this article.
Yet strangely enough you have no criticism of Pakistan (the main topic of this article) even though it is lead by some of the worst Islamist terrorist sponsoring scum on this planet. The Pakistani elite with their bizarre mix of Grand Ulema Islamic supremacism, bigotry, racism, religious aparthied and extreme nationalism seems to escape your crabby scrutiny. Why?
Why is it that you keep acting as an apologist for Sunni Islamist theocratic autocracies like the Sharia-courts Sunni Islamist autocracy of Somalia, and now the Taliban? So religious nationalism and government imposed cultural supremacism is OK as long as Muslims do it right? But not when Christians, Buddhists or any other culture does it? Your credibility seems to shrinking by the minute.
Hi Anonymous
This forum is neither the place nor the audience for your diatribe. I had no intention to set your tail on fire. Now that it is, let us roast it fully.
Is it not true that India has fought wars with all its major neighbors in one form or another – Pakistan, China, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh?
Is it not true that whole territories were subjugated?
Is it not true that poverty in India is worse than sub-Saharan Africa so much so that a vast number of Indian youth have stunted growth from malnutrition?
Is it not true that the Indian Military has launched a major military operation (Green Hunt) against its own indigenous population just because they are not ready to hand over their lands to MNCs? They just labelled a whole population as “Naxalite” to justify the usurpation.
Is it not true that Bollywood is a major source of debauchery, lies and propaganda in the subcontinent?
Is it not true that India has a pipe dream of an “Akhand Bharat” or Greater India and has nefarious designs on its neighbors?
Is it not true that India is yet another extension of monopoly usury capitalism with a facade of democracy serving as a public relations exercise – the Tatas, Birlas and Ambanis are the real movers and shakers while the billion poor have no say?
Is it not true that India enjoyed its golden age under the Mughals who were instrumental in once again uniting the areas around river Indus all the way to Bengal in what came to be known as India? Isn’t it true that India is famous for its Mughal legacy be it the Taj, the cuisine, the poetry, the gardens, the elegance of dress? Isn’t it true the Mughals settled and died in India and did not loot India like the British did?
Is it not true the indigenous peoples or aadivasi have no rights – their women raped their properties pillaged by upper caste hindus?
Is it not true that right wing parties play the Hindu religion card to usurp political Power? This causes untold miseries to the Muslims. The Gujrat pogram is a recent example.
Is it not true that Sikhs are a separate religion and extremist hindus want to dilute them into hindu culture and religion? Is it not true that thousands of Sikh were burned alive in Delhi in the anti Sikh riots? Is it not true that Christian nuns were raped by extremist hindus? Is it not true that hindu terrorists master minded terror operations and muslims were blamed time and again?
Now don’t try to escape reality by shifting to anti Pakistan diatribe. India can no longer hide behind Yoga and Biryani.
Hi Tester,
Re:
This forum is neither the place nor the audience for your diatribe.
Like I said you must be a particularly frustrated individual. You now are under the delusion that you run this blog and set the rules here and decide what is and isn’t appropriate for this forum, this is either very funny or a Divinely tragic sign: you have my sympathies.
I currently don’t have the time to read your rather long “posting” (I stopped at the above highlighted half-amusing half-tragic sentence). When I find the time to read the rest of your “posting” I’ll supply you a reply, do make sure to check back here often (several times a day for the next few days) for my response. Really, I do intend to read the rest of your “posting” and my detailed response addressing your concerns will be proof that I read it, believe me (I’ll definitely read and reply when its worth my time to do so).
Until then you’ll just have to wait. ;-)
Tester and Anonymous – please stay on topic and follow the forum moderation rules. Otherwise all your next comments will be deleted. ModTR.
@Tester
As promised, I am responding to your “posting”, given that I am forced to watch the paint dry on my walls before I apply the next coat and have absolutely nothing else to do at this moment it finally became worth my while to respond to your India-Centric series of questions.
Since the main article here was specifically on Pakistan, and in keeping with the Moderators request that we stay on topic, I’ve responded in a manner that sheds light on Pakistan, on historic geopolitical blunders by all sides, their buffoonish media (both sides), increasing poverty in Pakistan, accelerating economic disparity between the 2 states, some insight on the Naxalite terrorist movement, Islamist based minority elimination with statistics. This will keep this response on topic regarding Pakistan.
So below I’ve place your questions in italic and answered them in normal text.
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Is it not true that India has fought wars with all its major neighbors in one form or another – Pakistan, China, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh?
No it is not true. Even the question is dishonest. India fought defensive wars against a moronically led Pakistan, who, out of sheer stupidity, attacked a much larger India. India crushed Pakistan in each case.
In the Bangladesh case, Pakistan initiated the war when they attacked Indian airfields causing a massive counter-attack by Indian forces that saw Pakistan crushed on 2 fronts. As a result, India liberated the Bangladeshis from a mass murdering and mass raping Pakistani army under General Niazi.
WRT to China, India got surprise attacked by China in a 1962 in a border conflict that India lost. A conflict due to the provocative stupidity of one man, the Anglophile dog J.N. Nehru.
In Sri Lanka, the Indians intervened to make the terrorist group, the LTTE, disarm, demobilize & comply with the terms of a peace accord with the Sri-Lankan government, the Indians mission failed and the Indian army returned to India.
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Is it not true that whole territories were subjugate[d]
No it is not true. They were liberated from Islamists who would have exterminated the Hindu/Christian/Sikh minorities in those areas in much the same way ISIL exterminates religious minorities in Syria&Iraq and in the same way the Hindu population of Pakistan has been reduced 10-fold from 15% of the population of West Pakistan in 1951 to less than 1.6% of the population by 1998. Let us not forget the horrific way the Pakistani Shia minority is massacred every year during Ashura by Pakistani ISI protected Islamist terrorist groups (car bombings and suicide bombings at Shia gatherings). No wonder the vast majority of Indian Shia voted for Modi.
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Is it not true that poverty in India is worse than sub-Saharan Africa so much so that a vast number of Indian youth have stunted growth from malnutrition?
No it is not true. Certainly not the vast majority – Unless you base your sources from the Western MSM BBC.
It is true that extreme poverty is shrinking in India and expanding in Pakistan. It is also true that India’s per capita economic output had outstripped Pakistan and the Pakistan has no hope of catching up (according to your own nationalistic analysts, link at bottom of post).
You have our limited sympathies, perhaps if your government spent less on funding terrorism, and keeping your military top-brass comfortable in their Islamabad mansions they’d be more food for the growing masses of poor in Pakistan.
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Is it not true that the Indian Military has launched a major military operation (Green Hunt) against its own indigenous population just because they are not ready to hand over their lands to MNCs? They just labelled a whole population as “Naxalite” to justify the usurpation.
No it is not true. The question is wholly dishonest. Every word of it lifted from Western propaganda sources. Even the word indigenous is inappropriate: all Indian ethnic groups are indigenous to India, you genius.
The exploitation of Hindu & Animist forest dwellers is worst in those states that were dominated by Communist State governments (especially West Bengal), who, due to their totalitarian ideology, had no problem massacring forest dwellers for state purposes: that’s where “Naxalite” Maoist terrorism was born, in the town of Naxal, West Bengal (what a coincidence!). Ironically, the Naxalites came into being (ostensibly) to fight the vicious the Communist State government of West Bengal (now defunct). Being a violent terrorist movement the Naxalites have killed more forest dwellers than any other force (like ISIL killing Sunnis in Syria)
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Is it not true that Bollywood is a major source of debauchery, lies and propaganda in the subcontinent?
Yes it is true, just as Pakistani nationalist and pan-Islamism media outlets are also guilty of the same description (although a lot more entertaining & imaginative than Bollywood – Pakistani conspiracy theories are better than best stand-up comedy routines in the West).
As for the rest of your accusations or questions, which are just not serious questions: they are over-the-top fabrications and subjective pap (all of which stem from Western propaganda outlets), the following response answers each and everyone of them fully:
No it is not true. The narrative and assumptions of your accusations-cum-questions are a sheer and unoriginal regurgitation of the Anglo-Saxon propaganda media.
Espelho thanks for talking the time to give answers. Although why one should bother with caricatures from western MSM is just a waste of time. You can make an argument for and against everything depending on how you look at things. So only the long term actions would make sense. Is a country at war how much of their history.. And also how involved they are in the internal problems of other countries.
1971 bears the most ridiculous and juvenile stories of Indian propaganda that only lunatics would still believe in had they bothered running a background check on it. India had been sending troops into the Mukti ranks since early 1971 (mentioned in Gen Jacob’s book, and by others as well) and its own large scale attack on East Pakistan came on 21 November, a day commemorated by Bangladesh’s Awami Leaguers as the date of the ‘ally’s intervention’.
India needed from March till December to defeat Pakistan who was outnumbered heavily and fighting all over a huge province. Wow, what a great victory :)
1971: where India had an entire Bengali rebel army bolstered by Indians (sometimes wearing Pak army uniforms – disgusting and devoid of honour, these guys) fight Pakistan from March till December, then finally ‘officially’ entered the conflict and won.
It needed near a year to win against an army outnumbered probably 20:1. That’s how much of a ‘great victory’ 1971 was.
superb,loya article