by Stephen Karganovic
Contemporary Croatia strikes one as a “European values” free zone. Even though Croatia has been a full-fledged member of the European Union and of NATO for several years, it has been remarkably resistant to the application, or even bare acknowledgment, of principles that – on the surface at least – constitute the ideological core of the entities it joined. Tolerance, or at a minimum refraining from grossly targeting and offending groups based on their ethnic, racial, or religious origin, is advertised as a bedrock of EU and NATO public philosophy.
But there is always the “Croatian exception.” In Croatia today there is a seemingly spontaneous, mass evocation of Ustashi[1] values, and there is no evidence of any widespread perception of possible incompatibility with present-day “European values.” The Ustashi code that is being revived harks back to the collaborationist “Independent State of Croatia” pro-Nazi regime under Axis occupation, which lasted between 1941 and 1945. During that period, Nuremberg-style racist laws were enacted in Croatia and applied against the Serbian, Jewish, and Roma segments of the population. Those groups were exterminated in the hundreds of thousands by the Ustashi and their willing helpers in the ranks of the general population. A major killing field that functioned unhindered from the Summer of 1941 until late April 1945 was the Jasenovac concentration camp, also known as the “Auschwitz of the Balkans.” Several hundred thousand Serbs and members of other proscribed ethnic groups are estimated to have perished in it.
That is history, one might say. But it is also a vibrant aspect of “European Croatia’s” contemporary reality. The poster below is currently being circulated, massively and with impunity, in the Croatian capital of Zagreb and several provincial towns. It derisively depicts the “Serbian Family Tree” in the form of a hanging scene with presumably Serbian corpses dangling from the branches. It is significant that the poster was printed in English, which is not Croatia’s official language. One may assume that the choice of language reflects a calculated and shameless message to the outside world about Croatian racial sentiments. But at the same time, by demonstrating complete indifference to how the outside world might react to their morbid display, the Croats are perhaps also unintentionally performing a public service. They are exposing the bogus nature of EU’s politically correct tolerance cant. There actually was no consternation or even comment in Brussels or by any of Europe’s numerous political correctness watchdogs at this display of hatemongering so blatantly at odds with EU’s high-minded official values.
By their silence they clearly condone the Neanderthal primitivism of a valued member of the proud “European family”. The European institutions’ passive toleration for ethnically and racially motivated displays of potentially lethal intolerance in one of their member countries sends an unambiguous message. It is that the protective shield of their piously proclaimed “values” may be withheld at any moment from specifically designated “pariah groups.” For the present, the unlucky group may be the Serbs. But there are hordes of other “deplorables” waiting in the wings to join them outside the protective umbrella of cherished European values. Muslims, Roma, again Jews, perhaps also Greeks, and many other candidates readily come to mind.
Neo-Nazi Croatia is not a relic of the past, but a European trailblazer.
- Fascist, ultra-nationalistic Croatian movement under the leadership of Ante Pavelic. In the pre-war period and during the Axis occupation, the Ustashi enjoyed the support of Mussolini’s Italy and Hitler’s Germany. ↑
With the blessing of the Croat regime some of those Ustashe terrorists joined the NATO-backed Ukrainian nazi death squads:
http://vesti-online.com/data/images/2015-02-16/484937_hrvatska-dobrovoljci-azov-fejs_f.jpg
Croat and Ukrainian nazis are old allies from WW2 and the US-sponsored fascist organization ABN. Croatian and Ukrainian fascism have always been part of the “Western values”. They were backed by Gehlen/BND throughout the Cold War. In the war against Yugoslavia NATO deployed nazi death squads, too.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=481_1325596183&safe_mode=off
‘Contemporary Croatia strikes one as a “European values” free zone’.
Contemporary Europe strikes one as a “European values” free zone.
@Tom Welsh. Strikes two.
There is no shortage of sectarian hate in the Balkans, and Serbs, Albanians, Hungarians, etc, all have their equivalent to the extreme violent people in Croatia and the Ukraine.
And yet some of those are not like the others. One of them gets condemned while the rest get obfuscated, pardoned or glorified.
I wouldn’t go that far. Nothing can compare to Croatia and Croatian hatred towards Serb. What happened in Croatia during WW2 is beyond comprehension. Do you know that Croatia was the only nazi state that had concentration camp for children, Serbian children, Jastrebarsko? Not even Ukro nazis can be compared to Croatian ustashas.
Yes, all these fascist (or ‘socialist’) totalitarian regimes, entities, monstrosities – whether openly so or disguised – have something in common, they’re all thugs or proxies of the Zionist banksters & gangsters. The first fascist (disguised Nazi) states were actually Holland (Bank of Amsterdamn – 1609) and Britain (England/’British’ Empire of the Bank – 1694).
These Roth-child thugs have typical norms and values, like mass murdering innocent women and children in concentration camps. See e.g. . . . http://whale.to/b/british6.html
That link was in Andre Vltchek’s article: . . http://www.greanvillepost.com/2017/02/22/lock-up-the-english-establishment-in-a-jail-or-insane-asylum/
There is a thing called Scopie’s law:
“…citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately… and gets you laughed out of the room.”
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Whale.to
You just violated Scopie’s law
So CIA-‘rational’-wiki really dislikes Whale.to? That’s actually a very good sign seen the very ‘rational’ things your CIA disinfo crap site says about e.g. 9/11 and the ‘moon landings’. Bye now, CIA Scopie.
@ Serge Lang…
Ok…so you learn something new every day…sometimes even two new things…
1… scopie’s ‘law’
2… ‘rational’ wiki…
So I decided to see what this amazing new stuff is all about…lifelong learning and all that…
So we see from good ol’ wikipedia that the ‘rational’ wiki project was started by medical doctor Peter Lipson to ‘debunk’ pseudo-science…[itself a fascinating proposition…pregnant with possibilities…considering the credibility of the medical ‘profession’…and more broadly the notion of life ‘sciences’ …itself arguably the biggest pseudo-science of all… ‘debunking’ stuff… more on that in a bit]…
One of the big debunking targets of ‘rational wiki’ is the anti-vaccination movement…
The ‘rational’ wiki article on ‘anti-vaccination movement’ starts off with an italicized quote by renowned scientist Jimmy Kimmel…[yes that Jimmy Kimmel…]
Lead sentence of the actual article:
‘…The anti-vaccination movement is a loosely organized conspiracy theorist subculture which blames the medical practice of vaccinations for a wide range of health problems…’
The above link is in the ‘rational’ wiki article and takes us to another ‘informative’ article on ‘conspiracy theory’…
The ‘rational’ wiki of course ‘forgets’ to shed light on the history of the term ‘conspiracy theory’…and how it has evolved only in the last several decades from a neutral term to a pejorative label to tar any and all inquiring minds…
This history is amply documented in the fascinating book by Lance De Haven-Smith…which traces this label as a creation of the CIA propaganda campaign in the ’60s to discredit doubters of the Warren Commission on the JFK assassination…in other words…the negative meaning of ‘conspiracy theory’ in the popular lexicon was carefully orchestrated by design…as a massive indoctrination campaign by the deep state…
Of course ‘rational’ wiki does not give a link to this book…or others…or even inform us that ‘conspiracy theory’ is in fact a valuable investigative tool in law enforcement…so much for giving both sides of the story…or even one credible side…
But back to the anti-vaccination ‘conspiracy theory’…aside from the fact that taking medical advice from a tv comedian may not be a great idea…it is no secret that many doctors are raising serious questions about vaccination ‘dogma’…
Just doing a search on ‘doctors against vaccination’ turns up much material…like this page… which gives video interviews of just a few such doctors…
Here is another such site listing many doctor comments on the subject…
Dr. Gary Kohls…a retired family doctor…is another very outspoken and articulate questioner of the vaccine dogma…just search his name for plenty of info…
In 2011…CBS news ran this story…reporting on a new scientific ‘review’ [which…in the sciences is a term for a broad survey of extant scientific literature on the given subject]…and which review was published in a respected peer-reviewed publication…
The lead sentence says it all…‘For all those who’ve declared the autism-vaccine debate over – a new scientific review begs to differ….’
Lastly we have heard that President Trump himself has stated his desire to appoint a ‘vaccination safety commission’…something the media is staunchly opposing [gee go figure]…to the disbelief of ‘agnostic’ pediatricians who argue that children’s well-being must come first…
So now we know a little about ‘rational’ wiki…and we have to wonder… when does the ‘rational’ part kick in…?
And now about the ‘Serge Lang’ comment disparaging the link to the whale.to article posted by Laika…
As Laika pointed out…that whale.to article link was in a very good piece by respected truth-seeker Andre Viltchek…in his own very interesting article about the many atrocities and genocides committed by the British Empire over many years of its shameful existence…
Ok…so not knowing much about the Boer War…I found this [in wikipedia] on British concentration camps in South Africa during the Second Boer War…exactly the subject of the whale.to article…
Here is what we learn…
‘…Kitchener initiated plans to…”flush out guerrillas in a series of systematic drives, organised like a sporting shoot, with success defined in a weekly ‘bag’ of killed, captured and wounded, and to sweep the country bare of everything that could give sustenance to the guerrillas, including women and children … It was the clearance of civilians—uprooting a whole nation—that would come to dominate the last phase of the war”‘…
The above quote attributed by wikipedia to an original source…a 1979 book by Anglo-Irish historian Thomas Pakenham…published by Random House, NY…
And…
‘…As Boer farms were destroyed by the British under their “Scorched Earth” policy—including the systematic destruction of crops and slaughtering of livestock, the burning down of homesteads and farms, and the poisoning of wells and salting of fields—to prevent the Boers from resupplying from a home base many tens of thousands of women and children were forcibly moved into the concentration camps…’
And here is a quote from the whale.to article…which Laika pointed to…
‘…Under the command of Kitchener, Milner and Roberts, more than homesteads and farms belonging to Boer people were plundered and burned down. Animals belonging to the Boers were killed in the cruelest ways possible while the women, whose men were on the battlefield, had to watch helplessly. The motive behind this action was the destruction of the farms in order to prevent the fighting burghers from obtaining food, and to demoralize the Boers by leaving their women and children homeless on the open field…’
Yet the helpful folks at ‘rational’ wiki have this to say about the whale.to site…
‘…Whale.to is a webshite [sic] which contains every (and we do mean every) half-baked pseudoscientific woo and conspiracy theory ever concocted…
I especially love that typo…slipping a little Mr. Freud…?
So here we have an interesting conundrum…
We have a ‘Serge Lang’ who informs Laika…’you just violated scopie’s “law”‘…and giving us the real deal with his link to ‘rational’ wiki…
So let’s examine this situation from a logical perspective…this is not really my field…but here’s what it says on the ‘rational’ wiki under scopie’s ‘law’…
‘…In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately… and gets you laughed out of the room…
So here we see the logic of scopie’s ‘law’…
A…Whale.to is not credible…
B…Laika cites Whale.to…
C….Laika is not credible…
Again…because I have no formal training in logic…I looked at what wikipeida says about ‘logical fallacies…’
One such fallacy that seems to fit is called ‘affirming the consequent…’
It goes like this…
A… If someone owns Fort Knox then he is rich…
B… Bill Gates is rich…
C…Therefore Bill Gates owns Fort Knox…
Hmm…it seems scopie’s [whoever that heck this scopie is…maybe he’s related to scoobie] ‘law’ is itself a logical fallacy of the most laughable kind…
So here I will propose a law myself…call it the Фланкербандит law…
Anyone who cites scopie’s law is by definition an idiot…
And here is my logic…
A….scopie’s law is a logical fallacy…[proven above]
B…only idiots resort to logical fallacies…
C…anyone who resorts to scopie’s ‘law’ is therefore an idiot…
[Sidebar……ok…so I mentioned previously that ‘rational’ wiki was started by a medical doctor…now certainly most of the doctors I know personally are very careful and precise and generally have a good idea of what we call the ‘scientific method’…
However…those who practice the so-called ‘hard sciences’ ie ‘formal’ sciences [mathematics]…and ‘physical’ sciences [physics and engineering]…tend to have a somewhat more skeptical view of the ‘hardness’ of life sciences…myself included…
Even wikipedia gives a nod to this notion by the order in which it lists the various ‘sciences’ on its science portal homepage…
1… formal sciences
2…physical sciences
3…life sciences
Now I had a bit of an ‘aha’ moment while following [for years] the greatly hyped Genome Project that was kicked off in 1990…the goal being to map out all the human genes among the 3 billion or so base pairs of DNA [a chemical compound] contained within the two pairs of 23 chromosomes that are in the nucleus of every cell in our bodies…
As a [former] reader of the NYT ‘Science Times’ section…I was thrilled to hear that the massive brain trust behind the Genome Project predicted that they would find about 100,000 human genes…according to a joint National Institutes of Health (NIH)/Department of Energy (DOE) report…
Well…about halfway through the project that 100,000 number was revised down to about 50,000…and then down to about 30,000 and then to 20…and now the best ‘estimate’ is about 19,000 genes in our entire Human Genome…
And in fact…we still can’t get a definitive answer from these ‘scientists’ because this is still a work in progress…
So excuse me for taking issue with Jimmy Kimmel and this ‘doctor’ scoobie or whoever it was that founded this ‘rational’ wiki…but until the life ‘sciences’ and medicine start becoming more scientific…I think a lot of people have good reason to e skeptical…and also idiots who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones…]
Exactly; nothing can compare to “Croatian hatred towards Serbs”.
I should know that be cause I live there.
Nobody ever talked about Croat genocide against Serb population in Croatia during the 2nd World War
The consequence of that was that Croats never had period of denazification process like Germany did.
So being Nazi in Croatia is not negative thing.
It is similar like in western Ukraine or Baltic countries where they have their Nazi parades often…
https://34rthl1n6.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/ustase.jpg
http://www.hcsp.hr/cute/data/upimages/USTASE9.jpg
http://forum.net.hr/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/19/2275.ustase_2D002D00_foto_2D00_vecernje_2D00_novosti_5F00_iff.jpg
There was just yesterday on HRT news (Croat TV) a Nazi parade in the center of Zagreb.
It looked similar to this one on the photo (but with much more people)
http://slobodnadalmacija.hr/Archive/Images/2016/02/28/1_trg_prosvjed10-280216.jpg
The US embassy protested due to the fact that Nazi’s had American flag on that parade as well.
Your comment is a lie. And that lie is concocted in western media to mask the reality that the target of hatred are the only State-forming nation, the Serbs, against whom Austro-Hungarian concocted various Serb-haring identities. Croatia as the star example.
To equalize victim of hatred and genocide is crime in itself.
Another reason for such lie of some ” odd sectarian hatred down there” is to pander to ego of every westerner with inferiority complex who could find someone to feel better than.
It may be true, as claimed by Western media, that Balkan national hatreds balance each other. What’s unfair and dishonest is to claim that bad behavior by the haters in one country is balanced by equally bad behavior across the border.
An example: many Serbs and many Kosovo Albanians dislike the Roma. There is, however, a big difference. In Serbia, the Roma tend to be relegated to certain low-level professions; in Kosovo, killing Romas or burning them out of their homes is seen as a patriotic gesture.
A detail in the above article needs clarification: Mussolini did support Pavelic before the war. During the war, however, the Italian army blocked genocide of Serbs and Jews in all areas it controlled.
Hatred is not balanced. Serbs hardly ever think of Croats, yet Croatian identity is formed as anti-Serbian which has to hunt “Serbian ghost” even when there are no Serbs anymore.
Roma in Serbia are not “relegated” anything.
Serbs never had death camps for Croats. Croats had death camps for Serbs and Serbian children and babies.
Croatian priests had contests killing Serbs. Croatia even had a special knife, Srbosjek, made in Germany, to kill Serbs. It was made to prevent the hand from tiring as they stabbed; it was attacked to the wrist.
There are photos of Serbs being mass hung, during WWII, on trees just like in the poster. And in fact it was a much bigger tree which hung several Serbs at once.
The Communist Tito regime cut it down after it came into power.
The Tito regime downplayed the killings and prevented Serbs from searching for their dead.
In the last round of the Balkan wars, no Catholic church was burnt or destroyed in Serbia, no Croats in Serbia were killed, to my knowledge, and Croats weren’t even fired from their jobs.
Their population was/is stable. You had some Croats go to Croatia to fight the war there, and their families got a bit paranoid and some might have left Serbia. But no one did anything physical to them. Only Vojislav Seselj made a SPEECH about Croats doing this.
That is as far as the persecution of Croats went.
Meanwhile, Croatian Serbs were being axed to death in Vukovar, and families were being pulled out of their cellars, where they were hiding, and even small children were shot point blank. There is a photo of an identified little Serb boy with a bullet hole in his head. His parents were killed as well.
There is a HUGE difference in what Croats have done to Serbs versus hate in the other direction.
Serbs never had death camps for Croats. Croats had death camps for Serbs and Serbian children and babies. Croatian priests had contests killing Serbs. Croatia even had a special knife, made in Germany, to kill Serbs. It was made to prevent the hand from tiring as they stabbed and killed Serb after Serb after Serb; it was attacked to the wrist. You can even do a search of it on the internet to see photos of it.
Meanwhile, in the recent wars, Croats in Serbia were not even fired from their jobs and no Catholic church was destroyed. I don’t think any Croats were killed at all.
Tudjman sent death squads to attack the Croatian Serbs, and they were the first victims of the war.
There are even transcripts and videos of Tudjman meeting with his cabinet and military officers in regards to pushing out the Serb population of Croatia. There is nothing at all like this on Serbs, which is why they have so much trouble even at their kangaroo court. It’s probably why they killed Milosevic just before the defense phase of his trial started.
US Embassy Condemns Far-right March With US Flag in Croatia
Some neo-nazi Ustashe Croats marching through Zagreb in plain daylight. Something that would be impossible in Germany is not only tolerated but probably even liked in Croatia. Sadly for the US they also brought with them a Stars and Stripes flag. Totally inappropriate to be pictured together with these Nazi thugs even though we covertly like them as proxies against both Russia and Serbia.
So here goes…
http://www.voanews.com/a/us-embassy-condemns-far-right-march-us-flag-croatia/3741884.html
The U.S bemoans their flag being used along side a group of Nazi thugs marching through ustachagreb ( Zagreb).
This is the most hypocritical comment if there ever was one, the U.S turned a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing that happened in Krajina under that mongrel tudjman.
How dare the U.S even try to distance themselves from the Croat Nazis, they’re part of them.
Has anyone ever considered that the Anglo-American elites are using Neo-Nazi leaders to infiltrate and control nationalist movements within Europe? What better way to “shape the narrative?”
Other than the fact that Serbia is Eastern Orthodox and uses Cyrillic script. Croatia is Roman Catholic and uses Latin script. They are Christian, and they understand each other:
http://www.omniglot.com/language/articles/serbocroatian.htm
What were the Ustashi promised by the Nazis that they could not obtain from other regional/world powers? What are the Neo-Nazis in Croatia promised today? Do they really want to become just like modern Ukraine?
Nostalgia?
http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/herbert-list-ukraine-1943/
The Fourth Reich looks just like the Third Reich.
Interesting article. I cannot remove the conviction that these displays of hatred with their uncouth externations are not spontaneous. Even printing a poster in volume requires money. The expression and demeanor of those who plaster walls with posters, and/or parade flags (fascist or similar) at sundry rallies, do not strike the observer for their singular intelligence or disposable wealth.
With the repetitiveness of a broken record, let’s all repeat in unison, “Follow the money.” In fact it would be interesting if the writers of these factual reports were to also report the organizations responsible. Maybe we could create a “log of hate” where to store and catalog this information. It would be material for an interesting book.
The myth of spontaneous revolutions was laid during the Red color (‘revolution’) coup d’etat in Russia in 1917. Early Hollywood East methods were used by Eisenstein. Odessa steps scene (never happened) Storming of the Winter Palace (never happened). All fake.
Their methods, and goals, have not changed.
The Empire of chaos wants more chaos, papered over with various, vulgarly sentimental rubbish for the neo-con-liberal proles.
Hi Voltaire, you’re on to something.
The poster is far too slick for the Croatians to have come up with by themselves.
This is probably how it was done: An NGO, humanitarian or student organisation will be the official sponsor. They, in turn, usually receive the funds from an advertising agency for example based in London, who also propose the design and slogan. This creates two “screens ” to shield the real source of the funds.
It is now practically impossible to find the real source of the money.
To give you an example: “Medicines du Monde” have worked with Saatchi and Saatchi in London for their ad campaigns for the Balkans…but where does Saatchi get the money from…?
Your imagination is going wild Serbian girl…
What NGO and what advertising agency and sources of the money ….. for few posters???
This is all about local group of Nazi – Ustase in Vukovar; Croatia.
If Croat Nazi’s wanted publicity and international recognition they would never put up those posters in Vukovar in the first place.
They would put them in Zagreb.
The guy who was behind all that is allegedly arrested
( maybe police did that to calm the negative publicity only)
They are very pro-Ustashe here in Vukovar,
this posters were just tip of the iceberg….
Greetings from Vukovar – Croatia
Alas, regarding Serbia I wish it were my imagination. Enquiries and investigations always reveal the same pattern: A suspicious media campaign is launched, a local sponsor is identified (usually a fifth columnist or NGO), behind them there is a PR /advertising company usually based abroad that have generously “gifted” the funding and the design work.
F.N. Since you are in Vukovar you have by far the best first hand information. Why don’t you go down to your local coffee shop, start talking to people. You may discover something interesting.
Take care!
Keeping hate alive makes money for the Fascists. As far as posters and other hate literature is concerned you only need to look at the colour revolutions to know that the material was printed before hand in the West. If revolutions like the one in Ukraine was spontaneous you would only see hand written garbage. Most of you on this blog neglect the fact that USA and Canada as well as Australia and several South American countries allowed thousands of right wing scum to emigrate. Those that remained blackmailed the left or did acts of terror and blamed the left almost in every country in Europe –Operation Gladio– The Unholy Alliance between the Vatican, the CIA. The ones who remained in the New World never gave up hope of returning to their home of origin and killing people all over again. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-untold-story-of-unholy-alliance-between-the-vatican-the-cia-and-the-mafia/5449288
Quite right. Notice, the poster is printed in English…
The USA military are expanding on what they learned policing, killing, torturing, Korea and North Koreans en mass for generations. In Netherlands medical misfits are objectifications of what being being human means. Interactive brain chips are inserted into soft newborn sculls or into tooth implants to be shot into brains later, done secretly to form retarded individuals to use as slaves or just useless misfits to learn how to manage…feed, train, use.
@ De Kuyper
Could you please provide some links about these abuses in the Netherlands?
Bij voorbaat bedankt!
Today’s Croatia is a carbon copy of its Nazi predecessor. Since World War II, the genocide of Serbs by the Croats and their sponsors in Vatican has been covered up for political reasons. Jews and Gypsies were not the only ones massacred on account of their religion during the Holocaust. 700,000 Serbs also perished, other Serbs were forcibly deported and despoiled and hundreds of thousands converted to Roman Catholicism at gunpoint in Nazi Croatia from 1941-1945. Jonathan Steinberg, Professor of Modern European History, Harvard&Cambridge University, once said: “The omission of Croatia from the conventional Holocaust studies is like a book whose first chapter is torn out“.
Here is a link to a six-part documentary with English subs on the subject – Vatican’s Holocaust: Nazi-Croatia Death Camps:
http://transmissionsmedia.com/vaticans-holocaust-nazi-croatia-death-camps/
@Matija Curic
I am Serb in Croatia and my 1st neighbor does not want to answer on “hello” because I am Serb.
And I do not want even start the stories about anti-Serb incidents which are plentiful for every Serb where I live!
Croatia is just like pro Nazi Latvia and Ukraine with Nazi parades and manifestations (Cavoglave; Blajburg) and others
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Archive/Images/2012/08/05/AAA/cavoglave/cavoglave19-050812.jpg
http://www.e-novine.com/thumbnail.php?file=photo/region/hrvatska/licnosti/thompson_cavoglave/thompson_cavoglave_07_u_195279752.jpg&size=article_large&scale_by=width
But you know all that don’t you?
Croats tried to exterminate Serbs with massive genocide during the 2nd WW yet you keep repeating that you were the victims?!?
Over 250 000 Serbs were deported from Krajina again you claim you were the victims?!?
access denied on final link, so removed – MOD
What does it mean the poster is currently being circulated, massively and with impunity? This is clearly an exaggeration and has no basis in reality. You will find incidents like this committed by small number of extremists in any country. I am Croatian and have a number of friends who are Serbs living their lives in Zagreb experiencing no problems or any sort of discrimination. Never saw those posters circulating anywhere. I’m not denying the role Ustashe played in WW2 but far many more Croats were fighting as members of antifashist movement as partisan forces under the command of Tito. Croatia had more antifashist guerilla fighters-partisans than France for instance. Also, why don’t you mention Serbian fashist collaborators Chetniks and their atrocities and how still today they parade freely and without impunity in Serbia.
Oh my God. Try again buddy.
“Croatia had more antifashist guerilla fighters-partisans than France for instance” – which were mostly ethnic Serbs who were “fleeing to the woods” and join whatever guerrilla movement which were fighting Ustasha Nazis (mostly Croats). Alas, Communist guerrilla – partizans, were controlled and led by Croat communists, who were ignoring death camps and genocide against Serbs, and focused on fighting Chetnik guerrilla movement, which consisted of frmr members of Royal Jugoslavian Army. There is a hint of possible Partisan – Ustasha deals during ww2. Also, there are written evidence of communist-ustasha agreement on “fighting Serb hegemony” (?), prior to ww2.
I am Croatian and have been reading Saker’s blog for years with great admiration. However, articles like this as they paint a picture which is not true to reality. I’m sure one could find similar posters circulating amongst extremists in Serbia who call themselves Chetniks. The fact that there are certain extremist elements in Croatia doesn’t mean that the this is a widespread phenomenon in the country. Also, it seems to me that some secret hand is systematically encouraging those extremist elements in the society as is also the case in Serbia and it has been like this since 1991. Croatia is effectively under total and absolute control of the Anglo-Zionist Empire. Just few years ago according to one of the leading newspapers (no one even denied this) 3000 tonnes of Croatian weapons were shipped from the Zagreb airport to Islamic extremists fighting legitimate government of Syria which was all done under the orders of Americans and implemented by CIA. Both Croatians and Serbs and as well as all other people have the same enemy which is the western financial oligarchy so it’s about time we stop fighting each others. I am not denying the war crimes committed by Ustashe regime during the WW2 but the number of victims in Jasenovac is highly controversial and it is far below hundreds of thousands.
Here is a link for a documentary made immediately after the WW2 by at the time young Alfred Hitchcock under the auspices of British government (who by the way had great interest in exposing all the atrocities committed by Ustashe regime). Check the movie at 16:50 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Psj2nqYNw
I do not wish to get involved in the slippery numbers game, for Jasenovac or any other World War II concentration camp. But it is important to clarify the significance of the Jasenovac death toll information which is cited at 16 50 minutes in the video. Taking note of the purpose of the video, which is to commemorate Jewish extermination victims, as well as the other concentration camp death figures cited, it is clear that the 20 000 figure refers to the estimated number of Jews that perished in Jasenovac. It does not purport to be the total number for victims of all ethnic groups who were killed there during the war. And considering Croatia’s relatively small Jewish population at the time the war started in 1941, the 20 000 figure sounds like an accurate estimate. The much more numerous Serbs and Roma rounded up by the Ustashi are an entirely different story. So the commenter’s reliance on the statistic featured in this video, which is probably correct as far as it goes, is grossly misleading in terms of the argument that he is eagerly trying to make for minimizing the mass killing that occurred in Jasenovac .
The official policy of the Nazi quisling Croatian Ustasha regime of Ante Pavelic/ Alojzije Stepinac et al, was to subject one third of the Serbian population to: 1. forced conversion to Catholicism (on pain of death), 2. expel one third & 3, kill/murder one third. Nazi German official documentation from the period provides some of the most reliable & revealing evidence of the grotesque enthusiasm with which this policy was operationally implemented by the Ustasha personnel, & by the general ‘ordinary’ Croatian populace. If there was ever a case of collective insanity then this was it. Those who today identify themselves as Croatian, with all the characteristics of a specific form of pride that often goes with these sentiments, will always attempt to down play & belittle the sheer incredible extent & extremity of this mass genocide. To no avail however. The more detail that is uncovered, the more evidence that surfaces out, about this – to quote Ward Churchill – “little matter of genocide” – the extent numerically, is revised upwards. Upwards, not downwards. Serbian historian Jovan Pejin has remarked that the numbers for Jasenovac actually exceed 700, 000 & are in the range of 1.2 million. Increasing numbers of scholars are addressing the issue after more than half a century of suppression & instructed distraction under the junta of Josip Broz ‘Tito’ & more recently NATO.
Right. It was/is organized as the (civil) war in Iraq and Syria was organized (and not so much by Croats, Iraqis, and Syrians. Even the Roman Catholic Church was/is infiltrated. But it’s not the Roman Catholic Church either.
Where I come from the most outspoken and dreaded opponent of the Nazis was actually a Roman Catholic Bishop . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen . . . The actual Nazi regime was of course never disposed of in West Germany – they merely changed name and uniforms – and they probably poisoned him right after the war in Rome.
@MC
If you think that you can find “similar posters circulating amongst extremists in Serbia” please give us one example.
Poster which shows hatred and calling for lynch of the whole Croat population in Serbia?!?
No way!!
I am convinced that you can’t find even one!
Of course there are “extremists in Serbia” but they are never in numbers or as virulent and filled with hate as much those in Croatia.
I’m Serb from Croatia and I claim that Ustashe Nazi ideology is integral part of Croatian society just like Catholicism is.
There is parallel between Latvians or Ukrainians from western Ukraine and Croats and that is the cult of the Nazi past.
In Latvia they parade their Waffen SS and Croats do the same in Bleiburg or Cavoglave with their Nazi Ustashe uniforms and insignias.
Here this one was in Zagreb the other day ( it was last night on the TV )
http://www.voanews.com/a/us-embassy-condemns-far-right-march-us-flag-croatia/3741884.html
As for Jasenovac and your playing with the numbers I don’t want even go there like that.
Under Tito it was forbidden to investigate about Ustashe genocide during 2nd WW !
Tito was Croat and as dictator he put the lid on Jasenovac and destroyed many evidences…
After that they just waited for all witnesses to die so that Croats can afterwards fabricate the numbers.
Various German estimates were between 6 – 700 000 exterminated.
To which we can now join now about 250 000 deported Serbs from Croatia in the last war…
yours sincerely
Serb Croatia
Tito was no friend to the Croatians, he was a traitor just like Hitler to his own kind.
Here is an article about a Croatian/Syrian connection. “Dr Jamal Assad, a gynecologist from Zagreb Croatia, must think drawing blood in Syria is much more important than treating patients in Croatia”. https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/jihadist-jamal-assad/
Croats are the champions of hypocrisy. If you ask them “How could such a bullshit appear in a multinational/multiconfessional environment of Vukovar?” they will explain to you “that it was done by some 19 year old kid”. And allways so: the greatest Croatian novelist Miroslav Krleža, a close friend od marshal Tito, spoke as “two trucks of Ustasha killed million of Serbs, Gypsies and Jews”.
Shame on you, you hypocrite! I happen to be a witness of the savage destruction of Vukovar by the Serbian forces. Totally unnecessary and a town without any particular strategic (or tactical) importance. Levelled to the ground! Serbian wardogs singing: “Slobodan, Slobodan (Milosevic), send us some salad, we have meat, we have meat – we’ll slaughter Croats”! Any student of any military academy will tell you that in a war effort you isolate enemie’s stronghold (if Vukovar was one), block it and move further – cutting his logistics. Croats and Serbs are the same, the only difference is that Croats are controlled by the still live and kicking K&K and Serbs are controlled by the Foreign Office in London. Russians are hoping to change that equation, but history shows that they were never able to do it!
While we are at the subject of Vukovar i would like to point out one neglected information that cast different light on the subject.
Operation Vukovar was conducted from 25. august till 18. november 1991. by JNA (Yugoslav people’s army). Who is at the head of that army at the beginning of the operation? None other than Stipe Mesic ,who later became president of Croatia and is on the record for saying Yugoslavia is no more, i did my job. While Tito was alive he commanded the army, when he died that responsibility fell to Predsednistvo SFRJ (presidency of SFRJ) and its president who at the beginning of the operation was Stipe Mesic.
So, if we are to follow the logic, destruction of Vukovar is inititated by a Croat against all who lived in Vukovar at that monent, Serbs,Croats and others alike and was stopped only when Stipe Mesic left the post of President of the Presidency. Are we to infer that Serbs stopped destruction of the city which a Croat started?
Srebrenica anyone? Izetbegovic plotted a masacre of his own people and Serbs refused the bait. Tudjman did the same with Vukovar. Same story. That is why he refused to evacuate the city. He was setting them up to be slaughtered. Just as in Srebrenica case later, the Serbs did not wantonly slaughter everyone they encountered. But commander in chief Stipe Mesic stepped in and gave the order to destroy the city. Pinch of BBC and a generous spread of CNN later, voila, Serbs did it.
Sadly, behind genocide against Serbs in Croatia during WW2 is no one else but Catholic Church and Vatican.
I would recommend to read Magnum Crimen by Viktor Novak, former Catholic priest and a professor and historian at Belgrade University. Magnum Crimen is the book about clericarism in Croatia from the end of 19th century until the end of the WW2. http://magnumcrimen.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_Crimen
I would also recommend to watch Rats Lines, US documentary about Vatican’s role in smuggling Croat Nazi Ustashas from Croatia to Latin America at the end and after the WW2.
https://vimeo.com/67371552
video from April 1941, it shows german troops marching into the city of Zagreb, capital of Croatia. the Germans are greeted by the wildly enthusiastic cheers of the croatian people, about 90 per cent of the croats were strongly pro-german in world war two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFdSh5XmVUc
video from April 1941, Germany bombing Belgrade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmDHZ-jRfY
The difference between Serbs and Croatians.
There is no difference. They share DNA. They share language. They share location. They are all people. It would be easy enough to enter a pissing contest with you all and compare who can cite the worst massacres in the region. Serbs will say the Croats were the evil doers because they killed so many. Then Croats counter by demonstrating the same of the Serbs killing Croats (plenty of that during the inter-war times and especially right after the WW2). How pointless. Why do you even bother to continue such a game of and for losers? Why do you never learn the consequences of reviving the same hate over and over and over again? Einstein was right about insanity and this kind of repetitive behaviour is the very example of purile insanity.
It is difficult to understand why people of the same location, almost identical history and culture, almost exactly the same language, embrace such a lust to repeat the wrecking each other’s lives, wealth, reputation, honour, living standards, experiences, rationality, families, lands and future by continuing to be incited so easily time and time again to hate, to express deadly violence, to rape and kill each other.
I know a lady from Serbia who escaped. Now she is one of us. She is going to stay here in our village with her husband and family and keep away from back over there. She told me what it is like. What a tragic mess. I’m glad she is staying with her family here. It is better. This way her children grow up peaceful, healthy and sane.
Shame upon those who continue to embrace the daft hates. Surely by now it is time to learn from the consequences of previous expressions of the foolishness. Surely?
Siotu
“Then Croats counter by demonstrating the same of the Serbs killing Croats (plenty of that during the inter-war times and especially right after the WW2)”
You do realise that Tito ( Josip Broz ) who ruled Yugoslavia from the end of WWII until his death in 1980 was a Croat and not a Serb, right?
Thousands of Serbs deemed loyal to the monarchy were killed immediately after WWII under some pretext by Tito’s government.
Even those Serbs who were former Partisans but expressed pro Russian sentiments were sent to prison on the island of Goli Otok around 1948.
Many did not survive the brutal treatment there.
Siotu, Germans and French I am sure share some DNA as do Ukrainians and Russians.
So what’s your point? That because of common DNA no war crimes were ever committed by one side against the other?
Or perhaps that “both sides did bad things” ?
Please do not use DNA for historical revisionism.
I would have thought the point is clear enough. Perhaps I expect too much.
Here we have the same people who share so much, who have so much in common, who have so much the same, who are the same really and yet there is this on going cycle of repetitive barbarity, hatred, criminality, violence, destruction, rape and murder between them. Each time it appears that absolutely nothing is learned. Instead scores and tallies are recorded for recitation, taught and retaught, ready on demand to justify the next round of hate and violence. The hatreds remain banked and tended and nurtured like a precious fire, festering, ready to go yet again, all over again and again and again. It is shameful, dishonourable and uncivilised. Is it that there is no choice and it is hard wired into the DNA? How mindless would that be if true.
I far prefer the notion that people can think and learn. Applying these abilities surely it ought to be possible to learn from the consequences of previous expressions of the foolishness and avoid repetition of those ideas and destructive behaviours. Or is it indeed the case that I expect too much?
Siotu
“Each time it appears that absolutely nothing is learned. “
It certainly would have appeared that way to Serbs living in Croatia in 1991 as Croatian anti-Serb terror began anew not even fifty years after the last round.
People can think and learn only if they do not forget history or try to twist the facts.
You have no right to walk over 1 million Serbs killed in genocide by Independent State of Croatia during WW2.
The two of you provide examples of exactly what I was referring to, namely the keeping of scores & tallies, the banking up of those precious fires of hatred- tending and nurturing them ready to go a-burning all over again. Nothing learned. Not a whit.
Siotu
Keeping scores & tallies?
Are you suggesting Serbs should just forget what happened to them in WW2?
Would you ask Jews to do the same?
You arrogance or lack of knowledge is astonishing.
Sioutu is a criminal who says that victim is not cultured if they demand truth and justice.
Anon
Your selective quotation and clumsy evasion of the fundamental point I made is disingenuous. That is dishonest.
Maja
Your ad hominem is also evasive and dishonest.
Both of you would do well to consider the point and address it directly, even if it is uncomfortable for you to so do. Ask questions if you don’t understand. Consider what was actually written and not what your emotion yearns to have seen written. Focus on the fundamental. That is how you learn to think and how you learn not to repeat past mistakes. If, on the other hand, you are intellectually incapable of doing this, then you have nothing of value to contribute and, worse yet, you are doomed to keep repeating the same foolish mistakes, embracing the same pointless hatreds, utterly failing to live up to the standards as a civilised and decent human being.
Siotu
To build there “European Empire” also known as the EU. The European elite made a “bargain with the devil” years ago. They would expand their rule throughout Europe.And they would let ultra-right wing states join.As long as they gave some kind of “lip service” to “European values” and human rights for minorities.They were/are never required to actually “mean it”. As long as they are “some what” quite about it. And not make too much of a noise that could spread to people in Western Europe. Until the rise of more or less overt fascism was seen (like Ukraine) that bargain worked for the elites. Nobody in Western Europe cared much about the way the Baltic States treat their huge Russian minorities. Nor how the Croats or Kosovar’s deal with Serbs or Roma,etc. As long as there is no mass murders,and burning of villages going on. They can turn their heads away and pretend there is no problem.Economic problems are another matter. The economic problems there affect the West of Europe also.So with those they concern themselves.But ethnic discrimination and neo-nazism,not so much. After all,to Western Europeans the Eastern and Balkan regions aren’t much different in their thinking than semi-barbaric states.So their thinking is,”well what do you expect from them after all”. That allows the discrimination to continue. And furthers the rise of Bandera style elements in those countries.But to “actually” do anything about it would call into question the entire “bargain” they made. And the elites want their “empire”,no matter how they have to keep it.We can expect the EU to always turn a blind eye,to any type of “poster” seen in Croatia. They’d only react if the picture on the poster was of a real hanging. And then only until the scandal died away.
Fact: Croatia had more anti-fascist fighters during the WW2 than Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Slovenia combined. So will you please quit talking about ustashe, better analyze the role of Chetniks.
How yes no!? Somehow, you dear Croat neighbor always forget to indicate, what was ethnicity of absolute majority of partisans in Croatia from begining of the war ’till 1944, when become cristal clear to everyone that Hitler is loosing the one!
Can you share with us your source for this so called “Fact”?
According to Wikipedia in 1943 Croats made up only 21% of the Partisans in Croatia while 77% were Serbs.
In Bosnia Croats constituted 8.8% of Partisan forces, Muslims 23% and Serbs 70%.
In Serbia Serbs constituted 95% of Partisan forces.
Plus of course there were Draza Mihailovic’s anti-communist Chetniks who were probably 90% Serb in all regions.
“President Truman, on the recommendation of Eisenhower, posthumously awarded Mihailović the Legion of Merit for the rescue of American airmen by the Chetniks. The award and the story of the rescue was classified secret by the State Department so as not to offend the Yugoslav government.
“General Dragoljub Mihailovićh distinguished himself in an outstanding manner as Commander-in-Chief of the Yugoslavian Army Forces and later as Minister of War by organizing and leading important resistance forces against the enemy which occupied Yugoslavia, from December 1941 to December 1944. Through the undaunted efforts of his troops, many United States airmen were rescued and returned safely to friendly control. General Mihailovićh and his forces, although lacking adequate supplies, and fighting under extreme hardships, contributed materially to the Allied cause, and were instrumental in obtaining a final Allied victory.” (29 March 1948, Harry S. Truman)
“The unparalleled rescue of over 500 American Airmen from capture by the Enemy Occupation Forces in Yugoslavia during World War II by General Dragoljub Mihailovićh and his Chetnik Freedom Fighters for which this “Legion of Merit” medal was awarded by President Harry S. Truman, also represents a token of deep personal appreciation and respect by all those rescued American Airmen and their descendants, who will be forever grateful.” (NATIONAL COMMITTEE OF AMERICAN AIRMEN RESCUED BY GENERAL MihailovićH – 1985)
In 2005, Gordana Mihailović travelled to the USA to accept the award on behalf of her father.
Ethnic Makeup of Yugoslav Partisans 1943.
Ethnicity Croatia Serbia Macedonia Slovenia Bosnia
Bosnian Muslims 3% – – – 23%
Croats 21% – – – 8.8%
Macedonians – – 88% – –
Montenegrins – – – – –
Serbs 77% 95% 8% – 70%
Slovenians – – 92% –
Croats started to join when the Red Army entered Yugoslavia and that was the day there was free beer at the Empress hotel in Vancouver. The hotel was owned by two Serbs and two Croats This hate was a result of WWII. The Jugoslav idea was born in Zagreb and it died there. After WWI Croatia was saved as an entity by Serbs joining the union and it was again saved in WWII by Croatia joining with Tito.
Saying that “Croatia had more anti-fascist fighters” is just total fallacy.
Any proofs for your statement?
The Clinton system to discredit Donald Trump
by Thierry Meyssan
This article is a warning – in November 2016, a vast system of agitation and propaganda was set up in order to destroy the reputation and the authority of President Donald Trump as soon as he arrived in the White House. It is the first time that such a campaign has been scientifically organised against a President of the United States, and with such resources. Yes, we are indeed entering a post-Truth age, but the distribution of rôles is not what you may think it is.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article195455.html
That is because 80% of today’s Croats were Serbs before. Vatican had rule to kill one third, to cast out one third and to religiously convert one third (the same with Russian people in Ukraine). However they probably killed and converted 90% Serbs. Serbian Tsar Stefan Dusan gave autonomy to Dubrovnik ’cause they swore that city will stay republic itself and will never become a part of any other Empire. There are still Byzantine (Orthodox) fresco in city’s church that prove this. Whole Dalmatia, Bania, Kordun, Lika, Baranya and East Slavonia with parts of West Slavonia as well were Serbian land with Serbian majority.
Privet from Ljubljana tovariši!
I have read somewhere that 90% of croats are of Serbian and Slovene origin. They were made into croats by Vatican and a lot of this hate towards their neighbours comes out of this fact.
On Kordun there is stil ethnic group called Kranjci-Slovenes who were croatized very quickly!
Tito was half croat half slovene, Im sure if his mother was not Marija Javoršek-he would be strait usraša. Im sure he made some talks with usraše, cuz he would perish ina secound if he didnt.
At the and of WW2 when purges already swept Belgrade and Serb population, he gave no direct order to punish ustaše. Croat partizan units(made of Serbs) didnt want-werent alowed to liberate Jasterbarsko-camp for Serbian children from Kozara (140.000)…
usraše escaping with nazis and white guard commited great crimes on Slovenian soil when crossing Štajerska and Koroška. Im proud that 14.proletarian division, 3.batallion stopped them in Pliberk/Blajburg. Our grandfathers – 3000 Slovenes have defeated crowd of 100.000 (with few British tanks) :) My grandfather became oficer of OZNA for escorting them to Kočevski rog!
Večnaja Slava!
Few things that were not mentioned in the comments:
– Croatian, just like Muslim (Bosniac today), Montenegrin, and Macedonian were created as artificial anti-identities to their Serbian origins to break up the Serbian national corpus. Same stands for the so-called Ukrainian identity, which was created by the Germans at the beginning of the XX century for the same purpose.
– Catholic Church created the Croatian people in 1900 by simply lumping together all Catholics of the Balkans into one “people” alarmed by the growing popularity of the only free state on the peninsula at the time, Serbia.
– Communists did the same – they appealed to various nationalisms just to put as many “new peoples” under their control. Tito’s iron-fist administered policy of “brotherhood and unity” between Serbian victims and the Croatian genocidal maniacs in WWII was especially perverse.
– Chetnics were an anti-fascist movement, but wrongly allied with the British and American scum, who didn’t give a damn about their fate. Communists simply equated them with the Ustashi ghouls after the war in order to appease the Croats and to cover up their absolutely mind-boggling track record of cruelty not known until then since middel ages.
– Resurfacing of the Ustashi ideology in Croatia after the fall of communism is, therefore, not surprising; it never went away. Their western friends did everything to help them out to win the WWII finally, with the NATO/UN-assisted expelling of the remaining 250,000 Serbs in August 1995.
– Note that the well-prepared military action, Storm, occurred on the 4th of August, just a couple of weeks after the Srebrenica massacre, which was, as the time later showed, done to cover up the results of the operation Storm. Serbs had no interest in doing anything like Srebrenica virtually at the end of wars in Bosnia and Croatia because they have achieved their goals of staying in their ancestral lands (Yugoslav republics’ borders were completely artificial,but recognized as state borders by the western fascists).
– Final point: all former Nazi collaborators were helped by NATO during 90s against Serbs, slyly on the rhetoric of R2P: Croats, Bosniacs, and Albanians in Kosovo, and they are all willing puppets of the zionazi empire now. Identical policies were/are applied against Russia in Chechnya, Georgia, and now the Frankenstein of a nation, the Ukraine. Neither the Serbs nor Russians learned the lesson by leaving the genocidal crimes unpunished. That’s why those who don’t know their history are deemed to repeat it.
Sokenekos, nice summary!
Re your penultimate point, interesting comment about the timing of Operation Storm and Srebrenica…1995 was one heck of year.
@ Sokenekos : Very good comment
The “hanging tree” emblem reminds me of Branko Miljkovic, the great Serbian poet, found hanging from a tree in Zagreb, Croatia, the morning after he had rashly entered a pub there and got into an argument with a bunch of Croatian nationalists who took him out into the park. This controversial incident was officially recorded as a suicide.
To all religious people who love condemning communism: What again is the only difference between Serbs, Croats, Bosnians, Bosnian Serbs, Serb Bosniaks, Bosnian Croats, Croatian Bosniaks, Croatian Serbs and continue the list … ?
They all speak the same language.
They all have the same south-slavic genes.
They all share their south-slavic history since the migrated there 1500 years or more ago.
Answer: Your wonderful “peace-bringing” religions are the root cause for all partitioning, hatred and bloodshed.
Because those faiths and beliefs are the only common denominator that makes some of you different compared to the others.
If you feel hurt and want to disagree, then bring in some arguments.
I’m not “hurt” but I do – respectfully – disagree. First of all, just a quick comment the manner in which you communicate:
“Answer: Your wonderful “peace-bringing” religions are the root cause for all partitioning, hatred and bloodshed.”
This is about as intolerant & hateful method of addressing persons who hold religious beliefs as I have read in this blog’s comments section. So the very thing you are accusing others of, you yourself are guilty of. Well done.
As for the argument/claim/assertion that “your wonderful” religions are the cause of hatred & bloodshed & – you allege – “are the root cause of all partitioning, hatred……” then explain the conflict between Serbs & Albanians/Albanians & Serbs. This conflict is principally inter-ethnic in character, religion has very little, almost nothing, to do with it. The distinction between Serbs & Albanians is based on ethnicity, not religion.
If you feel hurt and want to disagree, then bring in some arguments.
This conversation is being shut down as the previous commenter was trying to provoke and to avoid further personal conflict. Any further comments will go to trash. Mod
“Contemporary Croatia strikes one as a ‘European values’ free zone. Even though Croatia has been a full-fledged member of the European Union and of NATO for several years, it has been remarkably resistant to the application, or even bare acknowledgment, of principles that – on the surface at least – constitute the ideological core of the entities it joined.”
Just the opposite. Fascism and genocide for the benefit of Monopoly Capital are the hard-core, real European values. 500+ years of uninterrupted wanton destruction, death, starvation, mayhem, and what-have-you should have driven home the message. Some people simply cannot see the West for the total abomination that it is — if anything, rabid fascist sewer rats clearly do not suffer from this confusion.
I once heard a Croat, American educated, complain he feared Serbian nationalism. He could see an Orthodox church from his apartment window, and this was supposed to be proof of impending danger.
Croatian nationalists (which are actually globalist mules) make as much sense as their border. Croatia is nothing but a cock block, and it literally looks like one on the map.
The poster has the wrong wording. It should say:
This is what happens to war criminals. Croatian fascists, take note. This will be you. Run and hide under your israeli supplied rocks.
This is a piece of occult propaganda designed to bring about exactly the kind of “discussion” (conflict) experienced in this thread. Pro-Serb – anti-Serb; pro-Croatian – anti-Croatian. And as much directed against Serbs as against Croatians. Subverting from inside and outside a people that preponderantly stubbornly reject the NWO agenda of the dominant minority. Since more than 100 years the Balkans have been a drill ground for their Armageddon engineering. In highlighting the issue in the way it is done here you are engineered in playing their game.
You think so? Why is it than that only/mostly Serbian people pay the price of that non selective engineering? You, as some others here, are looking at the direct evidence of the fascist Croat hatred against the Serbian people and yet you want to spread around bit of a guilt. Just like that fascist psychopathic Croatian scum with no shame and no embarrassment. No remorse but enough courage to preach. The poster itself is an evidence of a psihological disorder, and the attempt to excuse it points to an ingrained inhumanity and deep primitivism – all wonderfull unique achievements and real European values…..
Wolfgang, I agree that the propaganda is probably imported. This is because the NWO knows exactly that, just like in Ukraine, they will find (as they have in the past) willing executioners for their agenda in the Balkans.
We are not being subverted, we are facing a deadly enemy!
I’m getting a bit tired of this naive “One people, One DNA!” “Let’s-All-Kiss-And-Make-up-and not-be-Subverted” narrative.
For the ethnic cleansing of Serbs, please remember Bob Dole and Mira Radielovic Ricardel (Mira Baratta) who Trump has hired. Hillary or Trump – looks like Serbia is screwed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julia-gorin/my-letter-published-in-th_b_353096.html
Croatian journalist Vedrana Rudan summed it up well: there are few authentic Ustashe in Croatia to speak of. The government, subservient to western powers uses them to divert public attention from their work which boils down to loading up the nation with debt and selling off all assets still not sold off. This is the game. These posters were created as a provocation by someone with a very sick mind.
Perhaps you could provide a bit more to your story, like why did the Ustasi side with Germany, how many Croatians were slaughtered by the Serbs who were aligned with the Allies. How many Croatian families in 1941-1945 lost sons, brothers, fathers, cousins, husbands. There are two sides to every coin. Maybe ask the Croatian families whose aforementioned brothers etc were stood up in front of mass graves and shot by the 100s if not 1000s. what about those who managed to stay alive in those circumstances and run from their captors only to be told they could never return home once Jugoslavia was created as they were deserters. Deserters from what? Life no – DEATH!
At the Yalta Conference, February 1945, U.S. President F. D. Roosevelt stated: “The crime of genocide committed against Serbs and Jews in the death camps of Croatia – the Croats should prohibit the possibility of establishing an independent state for the next 1000 years.”…The most terrible truth about Jasenovac is not just what happened there but the fact that the present Croatia will not even repent for the crimes….