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It’s so much fun when a new cafe opens, and to be one of the first one hundred customers. The prices are right here. Five cents for something. I’m old enough to remember when I could buy something for a penny.
If I had any doubt that we live in an inflatable bubble that is itching to burst, or fly away out of control this way and that like a fly on steroids, I have it no more. Got to start stockpiling things to barter.
Just wanted to say something to try to be one of the first one hundred. Maybe there’s some kind of prize for early birds. This brings out the greedy kid in me. I have memories of buying a plastic gun filled with candy, for who knows, five cents? I don’t know where I got the money but my mother made me return it in no uncertain terms. I think there’s a moral in there somewhere.
Love you all.
Hi, Dennis
I’ve always been a B student, but a bookworm, somewhat inquisitive, and yes pretentious. You might like this excerpt from a book I’ve been reading : In the United States, then, wealth is not just a fact. It is a state of mind. It is a central taproot value. At point after point in our daily lives we show how convinced we are that we have solved the problems of human existance by the techniques of having: by encouraging human freedom; by giving a talent-oriented education; by seeking out the natural resources in every continent; by exploiting those resources with the full productive power of technology; and by training people not to accept their deficiencies but to secure a variety of riches for every need. The American way of life has been marked by extraordinary confidence. Therefor we should really not speak of a technique of having, but a gospel of having. Gospel means good news, and for much of America wealth is the good news that will save and redeem us from all evil: the wealth of money, the wealth of scientific knowledge, the wealth of social diversity, the wealth of individual oppertunity, the wealth of military power, the wealth of International prestige, the wealth of Gods unreserved goodness to us– America the beautiful, towards which all history moves!
Such is the character of what I am calling American optimism. (Arthur C. McGill Death and Life, an American Theology, pp 15-16)
In such a world, death does not form a part of life but is excluded. The feeble, elderly and the infirm are sequestered away in institutions with well tended grounds, suffering is banished, people “put on a happy face” while steeling themselves on the inside, but in the end this avoidance, and resistance results in exulting the grip and triumph of death. This book was written sometime in the late 1970’s, but gives a good overview of prevailing spirituality.
@ chimmy
“…prevailing spirituality”.
I have a word for it: GREED.
Kim
Thanks for the thoughts on wealth and death. We all have our projects for outwitting death; taking our money with us is one of them. The moneyists of this world actually believe they will be rewarded according to the rules of wealth, in a heaven of money. Who knows? I note that towards the end of this cafe, there are articles about near death experiences; I haven’t read them yet but perhaps they provide some clues. For me, I believe love is the only wealth, and it has nothing to do with money.
I wonder if affluence and the exclusion, avoidance and resistance to death forms the core of the much vaunted “universal values” of the globalists, what prompted Fukuyama to declare “the end of History, and drives Dugin into a blind fury.
In the Harry Potter books, the incarnation of evil names himself Voldemort; from the french `flight from death´. The acceptance of one´s own death is a hallmark of maturity, both for a culture and an individual. I admire both the Tibetan and Mexican cultures for ritualising and enshrining that understanding. It makes for an immediacy, a lively engagement in the moment, and a great sense of humour. I do think americans are trained to subconsciously think they can buy their way out. Perhaps the compulsion of war has something to do with facing the reality of death on some level.
That looks like a good book to add to my reading list. Money is the real religion that almost no one pays lip service to, such is their devout devotion to Mon-Eye at the top of the pyramid on the reverse side of the one dollar bill. But not everywhere:
A sister of mine “went native” on Kuai in the 70’s and 80’s and had a son by a Japanese-Hawaian fellow that she stayed with until her son was 9 or 10. He inherited a few tens of thousands of dollars from his parents. She dreamed of using it to acquire a piece of land to build a house of their own.
Apparently she didn’t quite go far enough in “going native”. Her mate used up the funds celebrating and helping friends and gaining good will in the native community. My sister was furious. But it worked for him. Later he lived many years on a large estate as caretaker for an elderly pure Hawaian lady, until her death. Native people on Kauai took care of each other in numerous ways that did not involve the pyramidal “One Eye”.
An earlier boyfriend accompanied my sister on a visit to the mainland. He was of Portugese-Hawaian extraction. I picked a Chinese restaurant to go to for dinner. I didn’t know any better. After a couple of bites he frowned in disgust and said, “If I wanted haole food, I would go to a real haole restaurant!”
This became one of my favorite pieces of concise vitriol. I was in so much admiration of his honesty and vehemence that my feelings were only hurt for the first few seconds, until the full richness of the vitriol sunk in to my mental taste buds. Ah, the delicious resonances!
He would have called the book: Life and Death, A Haole Theology.
Another point that the author makes, is that try as people might to exclude, and avoid death, it is an unwelcome intruder. Next to the magazine soap ad featuring a beautiful woman with flawless skin, runs a pictorial on violent mutilation on our nations highways. The unescapable cannot be escaped becomes sovereign and informs the whole of society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lDZjiPok3w
Chimmy, did you intend that 2 minute video on GOP brainwashers? It’s good, but I wonder if it is the one you intended.
If it isn’t I would be interested in the one you did intend.
Yep, that’s the one I intended, though I admit there is a bit of a leap. I think we need to consider how we got collectively where we are. Vietnam, for example would never had happened, if enough Americans were concerned and aware. One book that helped me get my brain around the larger picture was David Kertzer’s Ritual, Politics and Power. I wonder if there is not an element of theater in the Brexit, and an element of design in the ascendancy of Trump — something like Saturnalia or carnivalization.
This seems the right place to link this article – the yawning ideological divide between Russian Christian vslues and the US Calvinist Elect and Damned virus that has led to technocratic control over Europe and the destruction of egalitarian True Chrisian principles :
http://russia-insider.com/en/europes-rejection-christian-values-heart-russias-conflict-west/ri15214
Putin’s comment on Brexit…. “The percentage of mandatory decisions made by the European Parliament is larger than that of mandatory decisions made by the High Council of the USSR concerning its member-republics. This means that the powers are highly concentrated within [the administrative body of the EU],” the Russian president said.
…The Russian president’s comments come in reply to UK Prime Minister David Cameron’s claims that “Putin would be happy if the UK left the EU.” The president says such claims were an ill-posed attempt to influence the general opinion of the British public…
Putin’s rely to Cameron….“But as we see now, even claims like these have not had the effect desired by those who made them. No one has the right to make claims on Russia’s position, especially after the votes were counted. This is nothing but an example of a low level of political culture,” Putin said.
https://www.rt.com/news/348201-putin-brexit-weak-economies/
Peter-AU, I could not agree with you more that Putin got the last word, but more to the point, Putin is the critical factor that lead to the collapse of British Establishment’s strategy, EU’s expansionism and now a mortal blow to the prospect of a Unitary EU State. This is so poetic (in terms of justice), that it leaves one speechless.
Does the Saker Community not see the Karma in all of this?
Let’s point out a few salient facts:
-Britain (the current inbred British establishment) was main instigator behind the attempts to break Syria apart – this according to French ex-Foreign Minister Roland Dumas (see links provided here)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/former-french-foreign-minister-the-war-against-syria-was-planned-two-years-before-the-arab-spring/5339112
Here’s the original video of Roland Dumas exposing British malfeasance (with English Subtitles).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyRwFHR8WY
-Britain (again the inbred & debauch elite of Britain) were were the most vociferous anti-Russian faction within Nato; whose cultivating, training and protecting of Caucus terrorists and traitorous elements of Russian chatter-rat-y in London was done with sole purpose of breaking-up (balkanizing) Russia.
-The EU’s fascist, intolerant, hatefilled and unaccountable bureaucratics and fanatics were happy to train vicious Neo-Nazi Russia-hating neo-nazis and to openly support a violent coup inf Ukraine in order expand the EU’s sphere of influence and deliver a mortal blow to Russia.
And Now…
Thanks to Putin’s strategy of drawing a line in the sand in Syria to prevent that state from falling apart, he prevented the EU and the West from dispensing with Syria in a quick manner – leading to massive numbers of refugees building up in Erdogan’s Turkey. A build-up that blew-up in the west’s face and saw the refugees make a beeline to Western Europe and Britain.
Now thanks to stark reality of not having control over their national borders, many in the Brit electorate finally started understand the totalitarian nature of the EU. – And they voted to leave the shit-pit of EU autocracy.
So now both the British Elite and the Brussels autocrats have both been destabilized and balkanized -as a direct result of their own attempts to destabilize balkanize others:
-Scotland is likely to leave the UK, breaking the back of the “United” Kingdom
-the UK has left the EU; the EU has shrunk after trying to expand it’s writ to Ukraine.
Now that’s Karma!
Putin gets the last word.
Bashar gets the last word.
and Cameron, Blair and their coterie of sourgrapes idiotic swine are acknowledged as incompetents and failures (by their own peers) and consigned to the dustbin of history.
Nice comment. Cause and effect are tricky things: in my world, I say Russia showed the world and especially Europe the old concept of sovereignty, and that concept stirred a lot of hearts that weren’t completely cowed in fear yet.
It comes to the same, and I’m agreeing with you very much.
I’m loving today. It’s a Brexit kind of day, when billions of words will be wasted to say what a bad thing this was, but the Brits knew better and voted with pens so the pencils provided at the polls couldn’t be erased. Ah, the kind of tricks you learn when you’re the underground resistance ;)
@Grieved
Really? (re: pens used instead of pencils) Are you being literal here? Let me know if you’re being figurative or literal here (re using pens instead of pencils).
Did they really used pens because they knew that a penciled in ballot could be altered? Call me naive, but I didn’t know about that. Wow….. the fact that the average Brit was suspicious enough to make sure of using a pen, says a lot!
It says that that they (the brexit folks) had the street smarts to know that all the BBC sprayed bullshit that Britain (or any OECD ‘democracy’) respects rule-of-law is just that – Pure unadulterated BS. In Britain (and all other Western (OECD) sham ‘democracies’ ) they respect rule of law only if doing so favours the agenda of Britain’s elite; i.e. if respecting rule of law is an impediment to the elite’s objectives, then the charade of genteel rule-of-law obeying civilized Britain goes out the door.
That probably explains the savage treatment protestors receive at a G7 or Bilderberg conference and the kid-gloves treatment anti-Putin LGBT protestors received, or pro-salafist/Wahabist anti-assad protestors in London received.
I used a pen…..just to be symbolically independant..?….other “news” is thst obama has said that the whole TTIP thing with uk is being called into question..huzzah….that reveals its real motives and should please most of the Labour Party but probably that will split up as officially they wanted to remain…..it might encourage France to reject TTIP too and unite all those people across EU who are also against it……which could provide a catalyst for eg Le Pen then others kicking out Nato too?????
Could be very interesting….?
Folowing on……..could all this lead to a complete political revolution in europe…..we can. ” imagine the new democratic republics” that one of our previous bloggers kept inspiring us with?
We can only hope and pray for that ……
That would be Peter J Antonsen whose email blasts I get, and posted further down in this cafe thread.
He’s obviously stoked. His link shows disarray in Labour with a lot of EU stooges there trying to pull Corbyn down, but failing thus far, and only greasing the skids for their own sour grapes exits.
@ JJ
“…it might encourage France to reject TTIP too”
I think you made a typo when referring to “TTIP thing with UK”, should be “EU”. Now, about France; it has quite consistently said on many occasions that TTIP is not acceptable, it’s DOA. Several other countries also object to it and it only requires one country to say NO to kill TTIP. The US multinationals were too greedy!
But they can go ahead with the “TTIP thing with the UK” only, after the formalities for Brexit are completed. After all Cameron’s clique are in favour of it.
Kim
the best thing that could happen to the labour party is to split and ditch the blairites and become the real labour party of the working class, it has grown a massive grass roots membership since corbyn.
I was originally very cynical of the Brexit referendum thinking it would be the same as the Greek referendum, but a few things have got me thinking. Britain like Germany and France, not so long ago had empires. Becoming vassals rather than independent sovereign nations has to hurt.
Britain – London and New York are the financial centres of the world, in competition with each other.
New York controls the world reserve currency. A commenter at the cafe said something about Rothchilds – Britain and Rockerfeller – US. Rothchilds looking to China and Russia, and Rockerfeller’s the petro dollar. UK was first to defy the US and join the AIIB. London is trading the yuan. China’s president Xi visiting the UK recently, investments ect.
Due to the petro dollar being the world reserve currency, no banks will deal with a country that is sanctioned by the US now for fear of billions of dollars in fines.
Perhaps there is mony in the UK that would like to see the downfall of the petro dollar and more national currencies being used as is being pushed by Russia and China.
A long way to get yet, I guess a few false flags and other dirty tricks in store for the UK but if there is some serious UK money behind the Brexit, then it may come off.
At the very least it will slow down the US march to war with Russia and China. For the last several months, I have been scanning the headlines for a game changer that would prevent what looks like the coming war. Perhaps I am too optimistic now, but hopefully this is it.
Regarding the pens – I had read that the leave crowd were advising to use pens. Also a bit here…
http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20160624/1041917637/more-brexit-vote.html
Information continues to come in about the Brexit vote. A member of the British Army said that 90% of the lads in his unit voted to leave.
They voted exit because they do not believe they should be involved in Washingtons wars. He said that his unit agreed that the wars are dictated by Washington, via Brussels, and not by the British people. He also said that that the soldiers were “taking their own pen” to the ballot box, because “they only use pencils at the polls and they could be rubbed out and changed.”
@ Peter AU
Here’s a sobering thought: Brexit has not started and is not likely to happen. Put simply, there is no constitutional obligation on the government to abide by the result of a referendum. Besides, only Parliament has the power to enact laws and the process of Brexit would necessarily involve a lot of legislative work. Moreover, sovereignty in the UK resides in the Parliament only, that is, it can order the government to do or not to do anything. According to The Times, a majority of MPs are, predictably, against leaving the EU.
Cameron said he’ll leave Brexit to the next Prime-Minister and that could very well be his way of getting out of the mess he made of it and for the next PM to refuse to implement it alleging it was Cameron’s baby.
Kim
@Kim.
It seems the Brexit referendum was expected to give Obama and Cameron a mandate to keep doing what they do best but it backfired. Brexit may not come about but hopefully the leave vote has thrown a spanner in the works.
But reading an article at southfront since my optimistic post has started me thinking again. US has two carriers near the Philippines in anticipation of the Philippines vs China predetermined judgment due out on 7th July.
After Brexit, will the powers that be risk Trump getting power in the next US elections? Also rumbling of discontent amongst the vassals that may lead to the peasants revolting in some form or another in the not too distant future. It seems the best window of opportunity to start something is between 7th July when the judgement on the SCS dispute comes out, and October when Cameron is due to fall on his sword.
Southfront article. Also read comment/s by Veritas Vincint
https://southfront.org/foreign-policy-diary-us-deploys-aircraft-carriers-against-russia-and-china/
I didn’t know the UK had a constitution.
@ Anonymous
Not a written one, but the accumulation of laws, judicial decisions, treaties and conventions since Magna Carta make a constitution.
Kim
The vast majority of the establishment and the MSM were in the Remain camp. You only have to look at the Jo Cox incident, which played out so uncannily to the Anna Lindt assassination in Sweden, to see that.
That said, if you study the demographics where the vote was strong for Brexit, you’d find those areas, like Essex where I live, we’re white working class. The areas where the vote for Remain was strong were predominantly middle class and areas with high immigrant populations. I’m working class and I don’t know anybody who voted Remain in my local area. For this was also a tale of demographics, with hitherto predominantly indigenous communities seeing unprecedented numbers of foreigners coming in, they had had enough. Make no mistake primarily this was a vote for cultural and ethnic preservation and against the multicultural agenda that the EU is pushing so hard for.
@ Joe
…”against the multicultural agenda that the EU is pushing so hard for.”
I fully agree that people should have the right to preserve their living space as they like. I’ve seen cases of people having to sell their houses and move to other areas because their original habitat had become alien; very sad.
However, the multicultural project was not driven by the EU. The UK has been flooded with immigrants from the Commonwealth for a long time, even before joining the EEC. True, many Eastern European migrants have moved into the UK in the last 16 years but do you why? The UK government was all gung-ho about enlarging the EU, therefore admitting new poor countries whose economies were floundering and the workforce would inevitably look for employment in the richer countries and, consequently, drive the wages down in the UK and elsewhere for the benefit of the capitalist elite.
Besides, Blair’s policy of promoting immigration had another, more sinister, agenda. The Labour party was very much aware that most immigrants would vote Labour and a constant flow of newcomers would guarantee that Labour would remain in power for a long time. It did not happen only because Blair flopped and New Labour became toxic.
Kim
I agree Kim and was going to mention the post WW2 drive for modernism in it’s many forms, but for the sake of brevity kept the EU context. Indeed the origins go back much further, to the French revolution and beyond even. However the EU represents a rather zealous manifestation of neoliberalism and radical progressive egalitarianism, of which one can see hints of in Britain in the post WW2 years, with rush to modernise with little regard for aesthetic and social consequences.
Dear Peter-AU,
Thanks for your response. You clarified a point that surprised me: the fact that the average man has come to understand that the kind of people running the UK, the EU, any OECD hypocrisy are low enough to steal elections and resort to the kind of chicanery you’d expect of a petty thief. I think this distrust is very good: The worst enemy of democracy or civil liberties is a public that blindly trusts their government or it’s apparatchiks. I think a healthy dose of cynicism, common-sense cunning and distrust of politicians (even those you might like) is what is required to keep a society health and discerning. I just thought that the people in the Anglo-Saxon world had become so dumbed-down and complacent that I didn’t think they’d be aware enough to take the precaution to INK their ballots. Now that I’ve become aware that it was the majority of older and middle-aged voters voted to leave and the majority of the young voted to stay, it makes sense; older people are less dumbed-down than the younger generation (older people having been subjected to less social engineering, mass conditioning and diluting of educational standards than the younger generation), also with age comes wisdom and a loss of naivete.
I agree with a lot of your insights revealed in the threads here, however I do differ on the point you made on major powers being blocked from trading with countries the US has sanctioned (like Iran for instance). A great example of this not being the case is India, which continued to trade with Iran even when both Russia and China joined with US/EU in sanctioning Iran over it’s nuclear program. At the time India was lead by a weak feckless technocrat by the name of Mannmohan Singh (Prime Minister until 2014). Despite this, during the height of Western sanctions on Iran, India increased it’s trade with Iran, initially using gold to purchase Iranian crude and later coming to a bilateral currency arrangement with Iran using Indian rupee/Iranian rial as the means of exchange. Given that, now. India is lead by a very strong assertive government, the chances of any power dictating who they trade with are long gone.
The only countries that might be intimidated into not trading with countries the US has hit with economic sanctions are American vassals (aka the EU, UK, South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, the 5-eyes,etc) and smaller non-aligned nations. Major players like India, China and Russia and even Vietnam regularly ignore US writ and sanctions and with increasing frequency.
As for Britain, they have been far closer to the US neocon/neoliberal agenda than the EU. They also have implemented the American model more than any other European nation (in terms of regulation, food-standards, economic (mis)developmental, GMO policy, lifestyle, free-market philosophy) . A small mundane example is to see how UK food standards and tastes have dropped to the gauche mass-produced factory-farm junk common in the US. Just look at the food and produce in a UK Supermarket and compare it to the high-quality produce in a French or German Supermarket: the British stuff tastes like cardboard, is full of additives and other garbage, while the continental European stuff is still real food with real flavour. Now I contrast this to the produce that you could get in the UK 30 years ago which was healthy, tasty and relatively natural and comparable in quality to continental Europe.
While the UK Brexit decision is a very good development; it’ll help preserve the nation-state and cultural identities of the various people’s of Europe (if they have the guts to stand up for their own sovereignty) and it sticks a crowbar up the Eurocrats butt (stopping EU expansion and dictat in its tracks), it does not free the UK from limits imposed upon it by the United States.
Only time will tell if the UK can assert sovereignty in opposition to US policy or whether the UK just officially came out of the closet on June 24th, 2016 and officially inaugurated it’s status as “Landing Strip One” (as per the George Orwell/Eric-Arthur-Blair novel “Nineteen Eight Four”).
@ DriveBySnipe
Good summation… for an American!!! Haven’t seen you round here in Chez Saker before. Come again and tell us more.
Kim
@ DriveBySnipe
“… a mortal blow to the prospect of a Unitary EU State.”
Not necessarily. It could well be the other way around. The UK’s relationship with the EU has been a very thorny one from the very beginning, and even before. The founding members did not want the UK in it and De Gaulle was an acerbic opponent of UK’s membership for fearing “perfidious Albion” would act as a US agent to derail the European project. Twenty years later, the UK managed to get in (De Gaulle had left the scene) and they acted as DG had predicted: a spoiled brat always ready for a temper tantrum and a veritable spanner in the works, especially in the matter of deeper integration as was the original drive up to the time when the membership of the EEC was only 12 countries, basically all Western Europe plus Greece.
The UK did achieve its aim of derailing the project by preventing any measure likely to lead to deeper integration and championing the enlargement to many other countries in order to dilute the power of the core countries and brake the initial, fairly homogeneous, group and, in particular, to impede that the EU would become a rival to the US.
England has consistently throughout history intervened in the continental affairs to divide the other countries, usually by inciting wars to weaken any power strong enough to challenge its dominance at sea. She has done her job: the EU has become an unwieldy monster hated from the Atlantic to the Urals and deserves a coup de grace, the sooner the better.
Kim
Somebody wrote about the prophet Irlmeier in another thread. He said war starts in Eastern Europe or the Middle East, am I correct? Everything happens fast after three big ones are killed. Jo Cox certainly qualifies, she was a rising star in British politics.
We have war in Syria and civil war in Ukraine. There is not yet a big war in Europe, but sanctions, propaganda and military buildup are also signs of conflict.
Irlmeier or another prophet, Wald something, said Russian soldiers arrive fast and unexpectedly. Anton Johansson, a prophet in Norway, saw ww1 coming and tried to warn the Kaiser. He also saw France and Russia attacking Norway and Sweden. Sweden was partitioned. Anton saw US cities destroyed at a time when that was not possible. He may have been the only European prophet with that message.
All prophecies should be tested, but the risk of war is real in our time.
I studied prophecies many years ago. A revolution is expected in France. This is the first time I see it as a possibility. Nuit debout may lead to a big change in France.
Then we have the Orthodox prophecies. Constantinople and perhaps Hagia Sofia.
I’m not a big fan of prophecies. Anything that leaves out free will and says matters are determined in advance seems like mind control to me. I’m curious what would attract you to study so many prophecies?
We will always have free will. I go as far as saying there is no religion without free will.
I studied prophecies a couple of years ago, but I am very cautious. A prophecy foretells what is the result of something that happens because of frree will. It may be right or wrong. God doesn’t initiate a war, but he allows it.
Anton Johanssson is a special case. What he said was tested in ww1. It is impossible to disregard his other prophecies, but we should keep in mind that he may have seen one of several possible outcomes – because of free will.
In several media sites we find Russia defense spending is apporx. 70 billion USD. US spends around 700 billion USD.
Does it mean Russia’s capabilities are 10 times smaller ? The cost of producing in weapon systems in Russia should be cheaper than in US. If that is A times cheaper, then Russia’s true spending is 70 x A x efficiency in camparison to US. For example, if A is 4 and efficiency is 0.5. We get 140 USD.
So, how to make a true comparison between RUS and US?
It is a mistake to compare currencies in dollars. The Russian price level is not comparable to the American. Take a look at the real cost for wages and materials. Never ever think the dollar is a good measure internationally. Russias defence budget is underestimated and has been for a long time. This is also true for other countries.
Gabriel you make a valid observation. American & Western European weapon systems are grossly overpriced and deliberately engineered to be over featured and have to high maintenance costs (because of the profit motive and the hugely corrupt American Defense contractors). The American model of private companies, whose management have fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit, leads to a defense production system that favors cost bloat and the gravy of constant revenue from high operating costs, maintenance and spares. The US/Western Military Industrial Complex is not a true capitalist system with actual competition, it is closer to a crony-capitalist or monopolist (Think Boeing) system. Therefore, there is very little market pressure to keep prices low, systems reliable and operating costs low; quite the opposite.
In the Russian system, on the other hand, defense producers were treated like cost centers (instead of profit centers) (initially during Soviet times) and the pressure was to produce the hardest, most robust systems using the least amount of resources and with low maintenance costs. The results are that Russian systems that are more robust than than their Western counterparts are 4 (four) fold cheaper than their Western counter parts and generally tougher and more reliable.
Even in today’s free-market Russia, major defense production houses are State owned companies (such as the holding company United Aircraft Corporation of Russia which owns Sukhoi and MiG, etc.) where the incentive to gouge and screw their domestic customers, like Western Contractors, is not there because the State is both the customer and the owner of the companies. The Russian government ensures that rules of governance of these state-owned defense contractors are such that they don’t engage in the kind of price bloat and fraud that Boeing, BAE and Dassault engage in. Also, State owned enterprises cannot lobby and bribe Duma members, like their Western counterparts can in the US Senate and Congress.
Finally, the majority of the annual $USD700 Billion US defense budget is spent on the massive operating costs of maintaining the 1000 US military bases across the globe and maintaining the largest Navy in the world with 10 Carrier battlegroups and logistics. A minority of the budget is left for new capital expenditures.
So you are correct, the Russian defense budget, in terms of purchasing power and effectiveness is probably 3 to 4 times more efficient that it’s US counterpart, therefore, their $70Billion probably buys the equivalent in military goods and services (soldiers/human-resources) approx 3x$70Billion = $USD210 Billion dollars of equivalent US military goods and services
@ DriveBySnipe
Thank you for your comprehensive post about the costs and systemic differences between US and Russian military hardware production.
I read recently somewhere an article about the astronomical costs of the F35 project, including the fact that the pilot’s helmet alone costs $400,000, more than a top-notch Ferrari motor car!
Indeed it is a lucrative business for the IMC and the revolving-door system between the military and weapons manufacturers’ CEOs.
Kim
Thanks. Now things are quite clear.
DVS: first, you should have deducted the cost of salaries etc of the military personnel. Last I read – years ago – was that that came to over 50% of the US military budget.
recently the pentagon announced a unbelievable 6.5 TRILLION dollars that
they could not account for…
un americano please and a hug for the desert
and my dearest hug for the east- British fellow-seniors who partly choose with > 75% for a way back from Brussels.
My astrological feast given the terrestrial mirroring of the complex chance of this weeks constellation is inviting to join the party
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2016/06/after-brexit-into-russian-federation.html
re: ” In what kind of voices does that resonate united around Mercury the story-teller?
Now with Neptune it’s resolution, with Saturn it’s termination and with Jupiter it is discernment.
Three of four shapes of spirit – what a chance for mankind – used.”
Uranus -the mold-breaker-waits in the wings to be moved.
What’s a Barista? oh. Please order me up one…thanks. Musing on the headline from RT: “Elites aghast at the Brexit” lmao. Arrogantly they never thought to have to fix it ahead of time. They need to hire whoever is “helping” Killeray manage those pesky people who just don’t understand that they need a political elite to tell them how to vote the “correct” way.
Elites aghast at the Brex-it
Gave the voters their say
thinking it would go their way
Now, agonizing, what to do to fix-it.
or I could get more raunchy but I leave that to better minds.
teranam13
You’re doing good with the verses.
It seems the “Brexit” struggle is far from over. The EU supporters are planing a “March on Parliament”. They are calling for a “new vote”. Saying the “people” were “fooled” by the Leave camp.There is talk of Scotland and Northern Ireland seceding. And Even London,forming themselves into a “City State” to join the EU.So I’ll have to revise my thinking a bit. I was thinking this “just might” be the one case where the “barrel of a gun” isn’t needed for chance. But no,it looks like to me the repeat of the lead-up to the 1640’s in Britain. Where the country was so divided that Civil War had to decide the issues of the day.Hopefully the “Leave” camp can see what’s happening around them and take action to show they are serious about freedom.
I was amazed to see on tv people who profesed they still did not know what it was all about….have they got excuses….was the info and propganda available really correct snd sufficient…..people do not wish to accept their resonsibility for change or are these 8000000 people who signed “;think again “petition genuinly concerned delusional, or just obstructive and is anyone motivating tuem or pushing them leafing them?
In a couple of years time the vote might have been remain due to higher numbers of younger people and higher immigrant population?
Obama just saying now on tv uk as at its best by leading. Eu and “exerting leverage” on eu…haha….motives revealed……….
i read some where that 30,000 vatican people signed the petition…
actual nuber of vatican people……….800..
anyway, why are vatican people signing a BRITISH petition??
@ Uncle Bob
I think all that is hot air and bluster. The real issue is whether the government or parliament heed the popular vote because there is no constitutional requirement to do so. The government could simply notify the EU Commission of the UK’s intention to leave and that would trigger the 2-year period for excision. Or ignore the vote and proceed with business as usual and I don’t think that would provoke much more than a few mutterings.
If the matter is brought before parliament it is very unlikely to pass because most Labour and Cons MPs are in favour of remaining in the EU, according to The Times.
I suspect the UK government will drag the process on for for several years under the guise of re-negotiating favourable conditions for the UK and never leave and the EU cannot do a thing about forcing the UK out.
Kim
I do think that is part of the plot ,to just ignore the vote. And using the things I mentioned as an “excuse” for ignoring it. Easy to do when you control the government,and the major opposition as well. From some British friends that supported Leave though.I think more than a few mutterings would come from that. Governments work very hard to create the “image” that they represent the “people’s will”. Their entire “legitimacy”,or as the old Chinese saying termed it, “the Mandate of Heaven” depends on that false belief among the masses of the population.But once that image is broken a regime loses that “Mandate” and its “open season” for anyone able to “take it” to gain that Mandate. So there we have it. Is the British regime willing to “risk” the peoples rage. And if they lose,to see a new “Mandate” replace them (ala Cromwell’s Britain),or not. Only time will show us.
There’s a phenomenal interview with Andre Vltchek at CounterPunch today, a translation of his interview with the Italian journal, “l’AntiDiplomatico”. I wanted to share it, so the Cafe opened just in time:
“China Will React if Provoked Again: You Risk the War”: Interview with Andre Vltchek
Vltcheck is very hard on us ordinary working folks in the west, but he offers the perspective that persuades me he is correct: as a culture, we in the west don’t care about lives that aren’t white.
Do with this as you will, it’s not a point I’m pushing, but his anti-colonial perspective to me is the best prism available for understanding the world we live in (along with Marxism, I think, but I don’t know much about this).
I mostly wanted to share what he said about China, which I loved – as obviously the headline-writer did too. Here are two excerpts:
It’s a great link Grieved – thankyou for posting. Having followed much of Andre Vitcheks work I have a lot of time for him. He is more insightful often, I think even than Pepe Escobar whom I also have much time for. Mod-on-duty
“Is it right today, to define Aleppo as the “Stalingrad of Syria” and “the cemetery of the dreams of fascist Erdogan”
Interesting. The Historian Webster Tapley claimed from an insider – this has been supported by a couple of other writers – that when President Putin was made aware of the tradings Erdogan was having with ISIS before Russia went in to help Syria, that he called in the Turkish Ambassador and, in a rage, told him “Tell your dictator President I will make Syria a Stalingrad for him”.
As Tapley said – for a Russian especially one of Putin’s generation – to make such a statement was no small thing.
A confluence of minds perhaps.
@ Isabella
” Tell your dictator president I will make Syria a Stalingrad for him”
That sounds like a grand statement for a historic occasion but I’m not refuting it’s veracity. Yet a critical mind would suggest the unlikelihood of a breach of diplomatic protocol by Mr. Putin in that situation because Presidents do not deal directly with ambassadors, that’s for a Foreign Affairs high ranking officer (e.g. secretary). Besides, he had had talks with Erdogan in Ankara and Russia was negotiating the Turkish Pipeline project at the time until the shootdown of the Su-24 plane, which he described as a “stab in the back”, the obvious meaning of which is that they had friendly relations before the attack.
Just a comment, I’m not “in the know”.
Agree, mod. His article for RT on the lived reality for ordinary Kurds in Iraqi Kurdistan was one of the best – proof positive nationalist movements are no panacea to socio-economic ills unless their is an accompanying egalitarian system replacement. Kurdish nationalism is simply a vehicle for the transnationals and local compradors like Barzani to loot.
Thanks for the link Greived.
Hi Grieved
as usual, I like you comments a lot, and thanks for the link. I also got something quite nice, as Putinversteher, (one who understand Putin, according to Merkel), whose high intellect I can no more than admire…
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/24/vladimir-putin-to-fareed-zakaria-so-you-want-to-debate-me-intellectually/
Brexit: According to ex ambassador in charge of covert Russian regime change, ( McFoul) it is all Putin’s fault. Please note most recent Crosstalk. 6/25/16
https://www.rt.com/on-air/
The 3rd shoe is mid-air.
The dragon rising and spreading its long folded wings was the first.
The bear coming out of hibernation and putting some meat back on its bones was the 2nd.
The old lion backing away, looking for easier prey at home is the 3rd. It will hit when Trump becomes POTUS.
Orwell’s trilateral world is being born. By 2020, it will start speaking, and its stress lines will become audible.
Now that Brexit has been confirmed by the voters of England & Welsh, it is time for analyzing the effects. I am happy about this, but not that bullish like many other commenters who are feeling that AZ Hegemon got significantly weakened by Brexit.
Looking forward to further domino effects that can really weaken the Hegemon’s designs in Europe:
(1) Referendum in Scotland for breaking away from UK
(2) Referendum in France and Denmark for breaking away from EU
(3) Hungary, Austria, Czech, Slovakia refusal to EU migration policy
Brexit and its reverberations throughout the EU cesspit reveal — if such blatant truths ever were in doubt — that the Elites are outraged that it ever came to this. Good news, sure. Still, we shouldn’t try to spin it as a major setback for imperialism. That will be the case when the Nazi American Terror Organization starts to crack.
@ Nussiminen
Indeed, it’s no occasion for fireworks yet. After all the referendum is not mandatory and I’m quite certain that the elites will come up with a scheme to thwart it. Even if Brexit takes place, which I doubt, the only potential benefit is that it might encourage other countries to follow suit, and that is not likely. In fact I believe that many continental politicians are relieve that the UK is on the way out – supposedly – considering the obnoxious role it played all along since joining.
Kim
Nussiminen,
Our point is same that there is not much for celebration among the Resistance camp.
I was only suggesting further cracks in EU – however, you have gone a step ahead and suggested NATO breaking up can be considered as major setback.
Somehow, I feel, weakening of NATO can happen only through breaking up of EU (I may be wrong, though).
@ Straight-Bat:
“[..] Somehow, I feel, weakening of NATO can happen only through breaking up of EU (I may be wrong, though).”
No, if anything; you’re absolutely correct. The break-up of the EU is necessary for the eventual break-up of NATO. Mind you, it’s also true that even if the break-up of the EU happens, that alone doesn’t assure the break-up of NATO. It will depend on the political will/strength of the various ex-EU countries to tear that monstrosity apart, or at the very least to opt out of it.
At the end of the day, it all depends on what type of government people vote into power [pro-NATO or anti-NATO], post EU disintegration.
There’s no magic bullet here. People everywhere, but particularly in Europe (if they wish to halt a needless confrontation with their Slav brothers/sisters), will have to be vigilant and vote wisely – every single time! Also; they better have a plan-B prepared in case the voting hands power back to the neo-cons and/or neo-liberals that infest nearly all political parties in Europe at the moment.
-TL2Q
Straight-Bat
regarding your 3-rd point : Hungary, Czech, Slovakia and to ad here Romania and Bulgaria, are heavily dependent on the EU money, without which, their respective economies would have difficulties. So, in a way, they could bark freely on immigration issues but on the other hand they need the contribution in cash. All of these countries governments have emphasized their great achievements toward shrinking the jobless ratio in the past years, the reality is that a great number of the jobless have gone in Britain, Germany, Austria, France to get jobs there, so the government statistics are looking better indeed. What will happen then, when after Brexit, these people will have to go back home ? That’s why these countries are so eager to defend the British stay-in policy. Another is that Britain has given a great amount of payments in the EU.
@ ioan:
“Hungary, Czech, Slovakia and to ad here Romania and Bulgaria, are heavily dependent on the EU money, without which, their respective economies would have difficulties [..]”
May I add to your list Poland, Lithuania and a few others I can’t really recall right now.
“[..] That’s why these countries are so eager to defend the British stay-in policy. Another is that Britain has given a great amount of payments in the EU.”
You’ve got that straight! The main big EU contributors are the big three: Germany, France and UK. Now that one of big three is out, that gravy train is certainly coming to and end (even it takes two or more years before it actally happens, it’s better than never)
Granted, it will not happen overnight, sadly, because the corrupt UK government will find ways to delay the not sending any more money to Brussels. But it is coming to an end,never the less. Before the referendum the gravy train was set to carry on going forever more, while at the same time also bankrolling the ascension to the EU of new country members in the future.
Imagine how happy Turkey feels about the news of UK leaving ;-) , particularly since Cameron government was their biggest sponsors to get them into the EU [*] (besides Merkel and Brussels itself, of course), and to top it all of; Cameron already resigned, LoL! In your face Turdogan!
Yeah, true, it doesn’t become effective until October, but October is damn sight nearer in time than 2020!
[*] British Embassy Ankara: “[..] We work on a wide range of issues including Turkey’s bid to join the European Union,” – “We have a dedicated team working on projects to improve Turkey’s prospects of joining the EU [..]”
https://www.gov.uk/government/world/organisations/british-embassy-ankara
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Now, ^ that’s the good[ish] news. What I’m concerned about is what the next news/propaganda cycle [starting tomorrow Monday morning] will bring.
-TL2Q
TL2Q
Agree, just to add : probably they will get to have urgent emergency meetings.
Very good article by Israel Shamir on international crook/CIA asset Bill Browder .
Especially revealing on the link between US ‘foreign policy’, the Israeli state and the obsession with destroying the Russian economy.
The US is effectively occupied by foreign interests, aided and abetted by agents of influnce like Ben Cardin:
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-good-fortune-of-mr-browder/.
May I request the news sourcesat the top tab add doni news and anna news to the list please? These are comprehensive sources.
This is Saker’s decision … I will forward your suggestion. mod-hs
I agree with JJ, DNInews.com needs more publicity.
The UKcolumn, in my view the best alternative news forum in the UK, on Brexit. uk-column-news-24th-june-2016,
Putin to Cameron:
I am popular and you are not.
That is because I serve my country’s people and you serve your country’s top 1%.
Right on! Indeed, Putin might have added also that:
“But, then again, your practices with other species should improve your popularity considerably — you’re the leader of a Western country, mind you”
Cafes are places where we eat and drink, and sometimes start revolutions, while wars of all descriptions whirl around us. The latest tempest in a teapot is Brexit. The world sure is an interesting place, never a dull moment, it seems. I’m more interested in dreams than in reams of war room reports constantly being regurgitated like streams of noxious gas.
Maybe it’s my age of 76 and entering a second childhood. Let’s suppose Russia succeeds in creating a multi-polar world, while the old empire of loneliness crawls away into the night, as the rats jump from the sinking ship to the new good ship Russiana.
What exactly will have changed? Will Russia and her allies have succeeded in saving the system? Will we all feel safer when living in a secure multi-polar world? No doubt, we will. We can then carry on with business as before; maybe, even better.
The very idea of that happening makes me sick. It will be just another emperor dressed in new clothes. The great thing about getting old and entering into a second childishness is that I can see the empire is naked, no matter what his wardrobe, as a child can. His fat, unhealthy and smelly body is anything but a turn-on.
If this nightmare, dressed up as the new law of nations, comes to pass, I’ll be glad I’ve passed. Although my body may seem to be burned or buried, I’ll still be here in the greater body of the Love Army and the Love Government. We’ll be doing the same thing, now with the new empire of delusion. We’ll still be assisting nature clean house, either by getting rid of the human species to the recycling bin, or restoring it to what it was meant to be.
The first division of the love army is about thought, worthwhile thought that is in love with Love, for which a cafe of food, drink and living conversation is an oasis, compared to the war rooms of military machines. I disagree with Tolstoy’s idea of pacifism. What Russia is doing as a war power is absolutely necessary, but not an absolute value. If she’s not fighting for love, her valor will be for naught.
I also believe that in the Saker’s domain, as a fierce bird that preys on the rats of empire (apologies to the animals), there also be a vineyard with a cafe within for food, drink and revolutionary talk.
It looks like a beautiful day arising here, with a Victory Vrexit mood, although I am tired of carrying even that illusionary burden. Truth will set me free, to love eternally.
For those of you, almost all here, who are promising yourselves so happy after Brexit and following implossion of the EU, beware because the worst of the UK also will come back and also the worst of nations isolated on their own against evil “Empires” or “ex-Empires” of always ( must be read, return of coups d´etat in Europe ( like the one happened in Spain ), instigation of nationalisms and terrorisms of diverse ethiology/ideology and end of the remains of labor rights and welfare state when a far right government achieved to get through power by winning elections.
I only see that right wing parties and demagogue populists are making their way to power increasingly easier. I only see WWIII much nearer.
Beware of not having to regret this phyrric victory all of us, including Russia.
I see it the same way than the good of Andrei Korybko:
” After Brexit”
http://katehon.com/article/after-brexit
typical case of too good to be true…it is suspicious
@elsi Did you read the rest of my comments in the Uman thread? Very worried you might have misunderstood. You are a special person and I don’t want to damage our connection. I’d be happy to discuss visiting Israel if you like. If not just let me know.
Yes, Jonathan, I read them, feel very happy to know and left you a response this morning, but was not published, I do not know why. I will try to repost more or less what I was saying in the same thread.
So no worries, even in the case that you would have not wanted to travel to Israel with me would be also all right, as soon as we can remain friends being both as we are.
I was saying in my comment that the only way to contact each other would be through The Saker, since, obviously, we can not publish our emails here, but, if you have read what have been said today in this blog, probably, you would be aware that I am not welcome here anymore. So, no idea, how we could manage…..
Also, and taking into advantage that both of you, Vercia and Jonathan, are here, from those who asked me for a report on my travel to Lebanon, well, I must say that It is not that I do not want to do it, but I was thinking of how to do it, and since I commented The Saker in a email about this intention, email which was returned since he was already in his retire when I sent it, I was waiting for the end of this retire to resend the email and wait for his suggestions, since, being myself so keen on giving a lot of details about everything, I feared that this report would be a bit long, and so I was wondering if it would be a good place to post it here, in the cafe, in several parts.
But as the time passes and new events occur, of which we can not even foresee its consequences, and therefore, at this time, I do not know whether that report would be such a good idea. I am now aware that the length of the post from some of us here is not so well received, especially by the owner of the site. He is in his right, of course, and as he rightly says this is not our blog, though, for some time, I came here as my own home.
But, besides, despite being willing to tell you my impressions, precisely because of my love for the details, I’m not so sure I would not be giving information to the enemy, since there is one out there that says that “all” the intelligence services read this blog every morning, and even all day, something I find hard to believe, but I can remember in line with this what the old “friend senior strategist” said that all “broadcast” are useful, so I do not know what to think.
In any case, even before reading that statement, I already feared to harm Lebanon somehow by some detail given, and, frankly, I will never forgive myself doing any harm to this lovely nation and people who have recently been so fortunate to know a little bit, even if done unconsciously.
That is why I had only written the first lines of that report, and, as I have tried to avoid in them details that could compromise others ( for what could compromise me myself I do not care, as will be obvious to you who have followed me in this blog all these years ), I’ll leave those lines here for you who really appreciate and support me.
“A journey to Lebanon”
It has been more than an a decade since I traveled my first time to the Levant to meet Syria that I decided to go to visit Lebanon, not in the best moment in history and even not in the best mood .
The destiny wanted to sit myself in my flight to Beirut next to a charming Syrian woman who was travelling with her Western husband. She was a simple and beautiful woman in her last forties or early fifties and asked me if it was my first time in Lebanon and since I answered that yes in Lebanon but that I had been to Syria before, we connected immediately. She told me that they lived in Damascus, that life there is going on more or less in a normal way, except for some details, like the scarcity of young males, about which some women in her family joked saying that now they were able to go around out there even at night without taking care, because there were only old men in the streets…old men and women…..They also should now drive three aditional hours by car to Damascus from Beirut because there were no flights to Damascus coming from Europe any more…..We remembered how beautiful and developed was the Syria we meet in those old good times, the places we visited and our impressions, and almost start crying remembering about the beautiful ancient Alepo, now reduced to ashes. I managed to make her clear that I was aware of all that was happening to her country and that there were many more people aware in Europe and the rest of the world. I hope she returned home with a bit more hope.When the pilot announced the arrival in Beirut I wished her the best for her and her country and we wished each other being able to meet in Damascus again in a more peaceful future. Insh´allah!
Dear Elsi
Many thanks for your report, heartwarming and careful as it should be. I have myself many times refrained to write more (mainly to you) as security is an issue and big B is for sure around.
I herewith give MODs and Saker my permission to disclose my email address to you in case you would like to get in touch, it is something I had already wanted to do, but did not know if you also would see a use for it.
Please stop feeling unwelcome, it is not true. Now that we lost Martin, please not also you. I very much appreciate your presence here, and I regret that Martin got so personal with Saker (I think to some extend also with Scott). I liked his comments a lot and I will miss him, I believe different ideas are an enrichment. Please stay.
Dear Vercia,
I would be very happy having the opportunity to contact you privately.
The same goes for Jonathan.
The Saker has also my personal email and I give him my permission to give it to you both, if it is not much trouble for him.
I am aware that this is no place to arrange meetings/travels with anybody, but since friendship/ appreciation is born here between at least a few like-minded souls and we have no other mean to contact at first stance than the blog where we met and felt the connection, we have no other but to use the only mean we have for this purpose.
I was confident of not being too much disturbing here, since I felt always part of this community, to which I contributed with as much as I could, and since I have seen always other members of the community using the blog for other purposes or comments on other topics, different than those propossed on the front line of the blog by the host/ authors.
Very nice story, elsi. Very inspiring. Much can be withstood when people have hope and places destroyed by war can be rebuilt.
@ Elsi
“Be aware of not having to regret this pyrrhic victory”
I agree with you. In fact your link starts with the statement that I made above about Britain’s historical role of destabilizing Europe.
Yet, dismembering the EU is perhaps the lesser of the evils facing the people there and elsewhere. Remember that the EU was all along a Washington project, started by George Kennan before WWII when he was head of the PPS (Planning Policy Section), which, together with the Marshall Plan later, became the corner stones of shaping post-war Europe.
The US do their home work very well, even the fiasco in Crimea had positive results for Washington, namely conditioning of the people’s perception of reality through sanctions (being punished for bad behaviour) and “aggression” (fear). They are masters of applied psychology for the most nefarious ends: mind control, torture, warfare, etc. and their practitioners are found everywhere. I just found out yesterday one of the top EU foreign policy bureaucrats is an American named Mann, who also happened to be a specialist in psy-ops!!!
Although the first steps for an EU project started by US initiative, some founding fathers, namely Spak, Monnet, Schumann, Adenauer and even the arch-war-criminal Churchill, fancied the idea that it could become an economic block capable of bringing up the resurgence of a ruined Europe apart from the main object of preventing tribal wars. By the 1980s the project included the very real possibility of deeper political integration and even a European Army to lessen the dependence on US “security”, the first step to do away with Nato, which was viable because the EEC was basically a West European Union, the name given to its first integrated armed forces from contingents from France, Italy, Spain and Portugal.
But the UK would have none of that and worked intensely against any idea of a federation and even harder for enlargement to prevent any possibility of deeper integration beyond the Common Market.
To counteract UK’s opposition they came up with the idea of Europe of two speeds, hence the EMU and single currency. But the guiding ambition of creating a block to challenge US hegemony was fading and the enlargement to the East was the death knell of a unified Europe.
Kim
For those who feel that Trump is a lesser “we-evil”
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/24/trump-adviser-urges-israel-to-wait-on-us-military-aid-deal/
For President of USA : It is just a matter of how brown your brown shirt is…style not substance.
Fixed your comment to reflect reality;-) For President of USA : It is just a matter of how brown your nose is…style not substance.
true! but the huge difference is Trump has not the hands soaked in blood like Killy does…to me, at this stage, a matter of CV
How deep the corruption? How total the control? They rule! (flash 7 + hit the auto button) http://www.theyrule.net/
War is defined as conflict between 2 nations, not one nation attacking another with no justification. Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan etc… were not wars. They did nothing to provoke such invasion-occupation other than residing upon a land the attackers wanted control of, for many reasons. Installation of a central bank (looting machine) in many
cases, at the top of the list. They were in fact victims of a massive terrorist attack. If you look up the definition of terrorism it will provide a more realistic picture of events. Also terrorized has been Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Ecuador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Sudan, and more. Financing, training and supporting terrorists = terrorism! Regime
change is terrorism!
nato (north american-terrorist-organization) is sitting on Russia’s border, terrorizing it. Propaganda terrorism is being used by the fascist so-called-media to justify the non justifiable and mask the truth which is that Russia is next in line for a terrorist attack because it’s attempting to fix the world via unity. Empire needs chaos. For the most part, spineless and subservient Europe gleefully joins in the terror-fest.
We’ve been acclimated to accept all of this terrorism. It’s the mask of state that allows it to continue just as the mask of sanity protects the psychopath. Citizens are fooled by a veneer of credibility that doesn’t exist. The terrorists that we never elected are behind the curtain. That’s not state, it’s the worst kind of dictatorship. It’s
only political correctness (very incorrect) that won’t call a spade a spade.
Donald Trump threatened to bomb Russia and said the state of Palestine would not be recognized. Ignorance of course. We’ve heard plenty of it. Study the history of Russia and Palestine Don. Or talk to Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts, Cynthia McKinney, Dennis Kucinich or the lovely rep from Hawaii, Tulsi Gabbard.
The thing I do admire about him is that he’s not politically or socially correct and speaks the truth. You know that whatever he says, he believes to be true. The terrorists-that-be but- shouldn’t, lie every time they open their psychopathic mouths. If they told the truth, we’d come after them with pitchforks. It’s terrorism.
We need to either get Don to get a VP that knows what’s going on, or get an independent a VP that’s a celebrity. The people that don’t show up to vote can win an election. They’ll show up for them. It’s the Jese Ventura effect. Or, just get Jesse.
As I said the other day the fight for Britain’s freedom, or continued enslavement, is “far from over”. I believe the elite fully intend to overturn the vote. They are trying to destroy the British economy Demonize those that voted to “leave”. Stir the regions to break the country apart. And use the tricks they played at maidan. With mass groups of “remain ” supporters to take to the streets. And social media ,and “petition” attacks. As of now 2 million have signed a petition to overturn the vote and make a second vote. Considering around 16 million voted to remain,why is it surprising that they could get millions to sign a petition. And yet the MSM (including to their shame RT) are portraying that as a “huge” affair.Doubly bad here is that the anti-British elements that are in power there are very likely to support the “coup”.If they do call for a “new vote”,they now know how to rig it.The demoralization in the country will be upped even higher. The total MSM will be ordered to oppose leave. And if need be outright rigging will take place. Britain in the EU is to important to the empire for the “peoples will” to interfere with that.So far I see no “counter-offensive” by the Leave Camp. If they hope to keep their newly won freedom they are going to have to take action to counter this elite drive.I think I was too hopeful and dismissed what history has taught us,” all social change comes through force in the end”. Many people dismiss Mao’s “power comes from the barrel of a gun” statement as violent and war-like talk. But in the end he only spoke the plain truth. You gain or keep your freedom,only if you can take and defend it.
You may very well be right Uncle Bob.
Why the delay in waiting for a new PM till the Tory conference in October? Why is Scotland so quick to start an “independence” Referendum – so being ruled by the EU is “independence”. Can they legally start discussions with the EU without Westminster’s consent? Where will they get money – the EU – good luck? Oil price is low. Why a couple of 100 18-25 year olds wanting to go and protest out side parliament? Why the new mayor of London feels he can talk on behalf of 60% of those who voted “remain” – what about the 40% who wanted to “leave”? The financial market manipulation etc. etc.
The elites don’t want it.
The petition is bluff as you say 16 million apparently voted to remain so of course they can throw their toys out. How many of these signatures are real? Millions didn’t want the Iraq war – was that respected? – no.
So out of a population of 63million, 16m feel they can do what they want. Roughly over 12m eligible to vote didn’t – what about them? The “remains” lost lost – end of. That is fairness. In regard to Labour luvvies – good luck voting against your core voter base – the working class – a lot of MP’s will lose their seats if they go against their constituents wishes and they know it.
Not all the MSM in the UK were pro “remain” – some of the biggest publications were “leave”. So traction in the MSM will be small.
Menawhile the Founding Members of the EU – want the UK out asap!
Watch this space…..it will be interesting times……
Two good shows on RT today worth watching:
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/348295-brexit-goal-uk-eu/
https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/348318-episode-max-keiser-932/
And to finish off – even Brexit is Putin’s “fault”.
Wouldn’t worry about the “petition” Uncle Bob.
It’s only an online, un-supervised one, so carries no weight.
For example, It’s been reported that a simple hacking job that just about anyone with a bit of knowledge can do has revealed that a huge proportion of those “voters” were not even British !!!
It can’t carry any weight.
I can’t believe the DM is reporting this more or less correctly for a change (well, except for the smear they included against China in the same article):
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Vladimir Putin slams David Cameron for claiming he wanted a Brexit vote and denies his ‘agents’ had tried to swing the resultVladimir Putin slams David Cameron for claiming he wanted a Brexit vote and denies his ‘agents’ had tried to swing the result – as China puts the boot into ‘British democracy’
“Vladimir Putin took an angry swipe at his outgoing foe David Cameron by denying he or his agents had sought to sway the Brexit decision [..]”
“Putin said today: ‘Statements by the UK Prime Minister, Mr Cameron before this plebiscite where he stated Russia’s position, have no basis and never did.
‘I believe that this is nothing more than a flawed attempt to influence the public opinion in his own country.
‘As we see, it didn’t even have the desired… result.’ [LoL!!!! Nice burn, there, Vladimir Vladimirovich! And I bet he said that with his trademark playful smirk too ;-) ]”
“He added: ‘I have already said that we never interfered, never spoke about this, and acted in my opinion very properly.
‘And of course we closely followed what was going on, but did not affect this process and did not even attempt to do so.’
Russia reacted to Brexit with a streak of admiration for Britain in winning back its sovereignty – and predictions that Brussels has been fatally weakened by the historic vote [..]”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659826/Vladimir-Putin-slams-David-Cameron-claiming-wanted-Brexit-vote-denies-agents-tried-swing-result.html
-TL2Q
Yeah, Putin’s ‘agents’ were all over the place.
It was the pints of vodka they kept ordering, instead of good English ale that first aroused suspicions…
And the ‘FSB woz ‘ere’ they scribbled on the beer-mats..
But it was that ‘nyet!’ instead of ‘no!’ to the Remain question on the ballot papers that clinched it:-)
There are many scenarios about this move called Brexit. Let me put it in form of questions : What if the whole referendum has been staged, some sort of die-hard action with the knowledge and intention of playing the card of “democracy”, in order to achieve a hidden agenda – a brake-down of the euro-zone for instance ? London knows her long standing enemy – Germany – is getting to much power (to much for the taste of London) within the EU. What if in the coming time, there will be some “hard times” for the continental Europe – strikes, clashes of any sort, there is Poland the old “partner” of London from the past well known history regarding Germany etc. Now it seems that the London based bankers will go out on the continent but where exactly ? it comes Frankfurt in mind…
and if something will happen there, the money will go back to daddy in London. Another scenario could be that this out vote will be used to put pressure on masses – first in Britain – and then in Bruxelles, to get rid of any other ever to be hold free referendum in the EU, and this will be voted by people in the EU Parliament. Why has David Cameron chosen to postpone the decision to leave his post to a new prime-minister till October ? Why the timing of this referendum which took place has been held at this date at all ? (also decided by Cameron) did he not knew that at exactly this date will be the Football Circus in EU ? or he did…For the moment these are my observations. Thanks (this time I will not bore you with verses, maybe next time).
PS. God bless you Martin, personally I really enjoyed your personality which made you difficulties now here. I’m really sorry for you, for not having more indulgence and patience in some cases. But I won’t forget you. Maybe one day – God willing – I will go to Berlin and surely I will find you to eat a good old Broiler and a Radeberger bier somewhere on Potsdamer Platz. Good luck and take it easy.
@ ioan,
I think that you attribute too much devious planning to our politicians in this case. Cameron originally promised a referendum on Europe in the manifesto before the last election in the hope that he could unify his party (Tory) which has long been deeply divided on the issue.
He didn’t expect a clear win and thus a clear mandate in the election–all the polls suggested that we would have another coalition government and it was only an election promise, after all–he didn’t expect to have to make good on the promise.
Cameron and his cronies are PR men, chancers and opportunists, who don’t think deeply about anything except retaining power and boosting their own careers. He took a gamble on this one (as he has on most policies) and he lost. For Cameron this was primarily about winning an internal power struggle within the Tory party. He discounted the millions of aggrieved working class that his government has thrown under the bus in the past 7 years and they have now made their feelings known.
Anything could happen now, it is wide open and that is a positive and refreshing notion to Brits accustomed to business as usual as the US mouthpiece/lapdog in Europe. I hope it will galvanise us to come up with something different and more equitable as a solution. All we need now is a few politicians of the Putin/Lavrov calibre to come to the fore.
@ Helen
“All we need now is a few politicians of the Putin/Lavrov calibre to come to the fore.”
You could start by asking the Russians to send their version of Kalibrs. Failing that, and since I don’t see in the UK anyone with the stature of a statesman, how about a referendum to join the Russian Federation?
Paraphrasing: “If the mountain doesn’t come to Allah, Allah must go to the mountain”
Kim
I quite like the idea of a referendum to join the Russian Federation but fear that I am in the minority on that. :)
As to potential statesmen, we do have some very able and competent MPs lurking on the back benches. They’ve been side-lined and marginalised by the ascendant neocons but in a changing political climate they could surprise us all.
I am a life-time labour supporter and trade union activist who quit voting in general elections when Blair took over with his New Labour travesty. (Why vote when the choice is Tory or Tory-lite?) After almost 20 years I really enjoyed having a vote for something that mattered on Thursday.
Helen
For this comment I invite you in this Cafe for a good vine. In vino veritas !
Noroc!
On a more worrying note, we have this…
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Carswell and Hannan Freeze Out Farage, Say They WON’T Lower Immigration
“Tory establishment Vote Leave’s Douglas Carswell plans to try to freeze out UKIP leader Nigel Farage from the post-Brexit cross-party negotiations, with Daniel Hannan stating that the official Leave campaign never promised British voters an end to uncontrolled immigration from the European Union (EU) [..]”
[Carswell:] “ ‘With great respect, Nigel Farage was never part of Vote Leave. The detailed thought we gave that now needs to happen has to come from the people who lead the official campaign [..]”
“He [the other weasel: Daniel Hannan] finally evoked the ire of host Evan Davis [Newsnight interviewing host] who interrupted him demanding clarification between the two, then implying that the official Leave campaign had mislead British voters on their pledge to end uncontrolled immigration from the EU:
“Your campaign has given voters the impression that we will not be able to get immigration down to the tens of thousands if we are in the EU. I think that gives most people the impression that we will get it down to the tens of thousands if we’re outside the EU… the public have been led to believe that what they voted for was an end to free movement [..]”
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/25/carswell-hannan-freeze-farage-wont-stop-immigration/
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Furious Nigel Farage to take control of Britain’s exit from the EU in Brussels after Vote Leave freezes him out
“Nigel Farage has reacted with fury after Vote Leave said it would exclude him from a cross-party committee which will negotiate Britain’s exit from the European Union [..]”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/furious-nigel-farage-to-take-control-of-britains-exit-from-the-e/
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^ Then again, I’m not surprised.
I did warn on this blog, weeks ago, that this turncoat Carswell was a Tory plant sent to take over the UKIP party.
And I never liked Daniel Hannan to begin with, he hijacked most of Farage’s key-issues against the EU during the Brexit campaign (all of the Leave camp did that at one point or another; Johnson, Gove, you name them! They’ve all sounded like Farage’s little clones in the end.
Only, according to the presstitute media, the wankeratti and the faux-socialists such as Corbyn, it’s bad if Farage says it, but it’s totally Kosher if these fake euroskeptics say it, even when it‘s the same, carbon-copy godamn message!) :/
-TL2Q
Did anyone in Britain think to “question” the regime about “why” they can’t limit immigration to whatever figure they choice to? It would seem clear to me if you “order” your immigration officials to “stop” immigration that is all it takes. If they don’t implement those orders you replace them with people who will. Britain is an Island. You have to come in by boat,plane,or drive through the tunnel.All points that can be controlled. Saying you “can’t” bring immigration to a certain point,is really saying you “won’t”,not can’t. And that is a whole different question entirely.That is a “lack of will to”. And shows those people need immediate replacement.
@ Uncle B:
“Did anyone in Britain think to “question” the regime about “why” they can’t limit immigration to whatever figure they choice to?”
To be fair… I can’t speak for the average ‘Briton’ but after months and moths of reading their thoughts in the comment sections (OCD style, one by one, btw), I can tell you most of them a) don’t trust the political establishment as far they can throw them [the popular rule of thumb seems to be; whatever the so-called eltes say, assume the opposite ;-) ] and b) there’s a rising number of people educating themselves about what’s been going on for at least the last 15 years. And in turn spreading key links and educating others.
But to answer your question, yes! They never believed the regime could or even want to reduce immigration.
(Why do you think they’re so pissed? While the other side is busy calling them racists?)
“It would seem clear to me if you “order” your immigration officials to “stop” immigration that is all it takes.”
Ironically, they’re all discussing the same thing you’ve brought up. Only… it’s not up to the people to order Border Control to get serious. Is it?
I’m not being funny, it’s just like in every other country, the “people” are voiceless and powerless. Hence; their opinion is pointless.
“If they don’t implement those orders you replace them with people who will “
Ideally… YES! Trouble is… the next general election in UK is in 2020. And by then you’ll have a brand new idiotic demographic to deal with [brainwashed millennials coming of age, second or third generation immigrants coming of age too… they’re all voting Labour, because that’s the ‘cool’ funky thing to do, didn’t you know? Don‘t get me started…]
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“Britain is an Island. You have to come in by boat, plane, or drive through the tunnel. All points that can be controlled.”
You’re absolutely correct. And I can fetch the link if you ask me to, but the problem is that border controls has been seriously cut down for years. Who started all this? Blair! Btw. And it just got worse and worse since then. Same goes for mainland EU countries. They’ve all been cutting down on border controls, not just the UK. That’s why they can claim, no-one knows who’s coming or leaving.
“Saying you “can’t” bring immigration to a certain point, is really saying you “won’t”, not can’t.”
Bingo!
-TL2Q
It is a proven fact, that the increase in immigration into the UK has been absolutely deliberate, especially of people from africa, i.e. outside of the EU. They* want to dilute the white race – this is another proven fact – it was even admitted by the likes of a bilderberger attendee and one of the so-called ‘elites’ – vomit – peter sutherland, the UN’s Special Representative for Migration:
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-committees/eu-sub-com-f/GAMM/ucEUF220612ev1.pdf
It is official UN policy to force multiculturalism on us, sutherland said:
‘EU should ‘undermine national homogeneity’ says UN migration chief sutherland; ‘UK government’s immigration policy had no basis in international law’. – sutherland, a goldman sachs non-executive chairman. It’s not conspiracy theory, it is fact.
Also, read the UN’s Global Forum on Migration and Development, including between the lines. The UK is supporting this, as is the European Commission, and with obummer as Pres, the US joined in too.
* Both bliar and the self-titled ‘heir to blair’ camoron were put into power by rich jews. The jews want to cause the disappearance of the white race, the dumbing down through multicultural crap. Of course, the jews do not want this for themselves: they deport african jews to africa, clearly, they don’t see blacks as equal to them.
And, this is patent BS, coming from a Tory (Conservative Party) source: ‘We remain committed to our target and have made great progress with non-EU migration.” Lies and deception. In fact, an INcrease in immigration was the official – but unstated – aim of camoron, there is no doubt on that either. camoron even had the number of border officials reduced, while immigration was increasing:
‘The spending review settlement for the UK Border Agency will mean that we need to reduce our staff numbers by about 5,200 by the end of the spending review period [to April 2015]. This will reduce our workforce to around 18,000 full-time equivalents (FTE) from 23,000 FTE.’
Note, a 22% decrease while Britain had a backlog of asylum claims in the hundreds of thousands too, so instead of INcreasing the number of employees to deal with this, they deliberately did the opposite.
I live in London and I voted on Thursday to leave the EU. Trying to speak to some of the Remainers – old or young – got them to shut down the debate before it could really begin. These people were not open to reason.
I have been closely following politics here and geopolitics for about 2 decades, and I am very clued up as to what is really going on here, in the EU, and the USA, and the Remainers – which include the likes of bliar, camoron etc, do not have the best interests of Britain, and more specifically England, at heart.
Now, we have the traitors within who want another referendum. I see Scotland as a major problem, and divisive, and if I could, I would get rid of Scotland soonest. Not to mention that we have had 3 (although camoron is English born, he has scots ancestory) prime ministers in a row from Scotland, over the past 19 years so far, who have used and abused the English out of all proportion to their population size.
It is also still somewhat of a surreal – but good and satisfying – experience, not least because referendums like this are so rare, and the repercussions have been far and wide, and so powerful considering the small number of people who took part, compared to the world’s population.
For the Donbass people too, it is good that camoron is going, although when biden goes it should be orders of magnitude better, and assuming hitlery won’t become Pres.
I wrote this after I had read what Zak said about us leaving the EU:
Britain (actually the UK) has voted to leave the EU, therefore, we can expect the remaining 27 member nations to begin an ATO (Anti-Terrorist Operation) against us, for exercising our democratic right to leave.
The EU will probably consult that murderous shit biden, with his sidekick poroSHITko for advice on how to do it.
the acceleration of the global brushfire civil war
in centre stage since the collapse of aristotle’s
idea for globalisation of the day, which by the way
was a “fracasse”
packs of degenerate barbary…
roam the ruins of the field…
on this ultimate…
tomorrow…
they meet on this strand…
and with corrupt weaponry…
wage pauloulum ,tellous…ruin…
from the shadow…
dreamers emerge…
advancing in through the soft opening dawn…
we tend and tend
maintain maintainant
blazing the future roads for our race
into the best of tomorrows
wasting willingly in waves…
harmonising the warring clash…
piercing surely for the heart of the error…
blazing a trail for the scouts and guettes…
of the host…forerunners,pioneers,wasters…
piercing surely to the original heart…
root of that far horizon of tomorrow…
our home
Dark and foreboding, like the long black and grey windswept “locks of an approaching storm”.
But promising of fairer tomorrows. After a pretty hard blow or two. Ode to the East Wind, anyone?
I forgot to address Ukraine in my earlier rant. The wicked west invaded Ukraine and bribed traitors with cookies to help stage a bloody coup to overthrow the democratically elected President. He should be re-installed, the sanctions against Russia dropped. Sanctions should be put on the perps. A country 8000 miles away has no right to overthrow another country. It is in fact a criminal act and terrorism, as are the sanctions. Europeans should question why they not only allowed it to happen, but supported it, and sanctioned the wrong party. There a few countries in European not supporting this atrocity, or the threats on Russia’s border and good for them!
Crimea is Russian. The people love Russia, and Putin, and detest Ukraine. They voted over 90% to be Russian because they are and always will be. Anyone that denies it is clueless. It is in fact, a love story.
@ Barbara
“… sanctioned the wrong party.”
That game has been played for a long time and is played every day by the bully in the school playground.
Kim
Show of hands… who’s surprised by this:
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Bernie Sells Out – Says He’ll Vote For Hillary Clinton
“Bernie Sanders may not be quite ready to formally end his Democratic presidential bid, but he says he will vote for Hillary Clinton in November [..]”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44956.htm
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^ So there you have it. Just as bad as spineless Corbyn (two peas on a pod, aren’t they?)
And more importantly… it reminds me of the time when Dennis Kucinich endorsed Obama as a Democrat nominee.
No wonder we haven’t heard from him ever since! :/
-TL2Q
I’m not surprised on Bernie’s decision, u-turns will take place further down the road withe the approaching of the election in November. In the same way, I think we will have to witness similar u-turns in Europe too.
Remember that Dennis K., who I hold of the highest integrity, was destroyed by the bush criminals by gerrymandering his Ohio district into non existence; simultaneously the dems would not allow him to speak at any high profile event. If he got fooled by Obama so be it, so did the whole hopeful fed up demography. Dennis is in a class totally above Sanders.
Being someone who has always supported the idea of a United Ireland. It would seem I should agree with the idea of Northern Ireland seceding from the UK over the Brexit vote.But I find myself in the “uniquely” uncomfortable position of opposing the idea. The idea of joining with Ireland just to stay within the EU is wrongheaded. Especially when you consider that Ireland itself is not happy with the EU. And that many Irish people themselves would like to leave it. I also suspect that attempts to try the secession will inflame the old split between Protestants and Catholics that is only now dying away.The British,if true to form,will call on their old supporters,such as the Orange Order to rally behind them.And this new situation will turn into a Protestant against Catholic struggle like always in Northern Ireland. If Ireland is ever truly to be “united” it can’t be that way.
Good old John Pilger… *sigh* I love this man.
I do wonder, since this topic is pretty much the only show in town right now.
Where everybody is in this blog? [enjoying your weekend?] Even Cross-Talk did a special edition [on top of their Syria designated show for Friday], which was aired late Friday night, and was later repeated on Saturday! Do you guys know how weird is watching Cross-Talk on a Saturday? [Never the less: good call Lavelle ;-) btw]
Brexit: Goal!
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/348295-brexit-goal-uk-eu/
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Oh! But here’s Pilger words on the subject… [so many zingers he delivered, I can’t choose my select favorites. I just leave you the article here. You folks decide your best parts :-) ]
A Blow for Peace and Democracy: Why the British Said No to Europe
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/24/a-blow-for-peace-and-democracy-why-the-british-said-no-to-europe/
-TL2Q
@ TL2Q
Thank you for the link. Pilger is the trenchant embodiment of a perpetual warrior against injustice and hypocrisy. And a great writer.
Kim
@ Kim:
He certainly is =D (love the guy)
But also, we should start to see ourselves as individual “perpetual warriors against injustice and hypocrisy” too.
We’re all playing our part; him, you, me, the many contributors/commenters on this blog and in so many so many others sites/blogs too – however small our contributions may be, it doesn’t change the fact that a tsunami is essentially made-out of equally small droplets of water, propelled by the awesome power of huge tectonic plates pushing against each other.
I choose to view the above statement as a poetic metaphor of the class-war/power-struggle between us, little folk individuals (the 99%) and the 1% pushing against us all. Something’s ‘bout to give, don’t you think?
(Well, it’s either that or I’ve got carrier away with my “writing” there… :) )
-TL2Q
TL2Q,
Thanks a lot for posting Pilger article – by far the best piece I read till date on the Brexit.
However, be cautious while being optimist – the AZ cabal will pull all strings to nullify Brexit … and even if finally Brexit happens, AZ power will not diminish substantially … Only more exits that crack the EU (and hence, indirectly, NATO) will give us cause to cheers.
I’m not euphoric about Brexit. Euphoria can lead to mania and to a quick banning and exit of one’s own self”
In the back of my mind I know the touted Rothschild/Rockefeller divide on this issue probably should be heeded.
I am curious why Tarpley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cb1jTPfzIQ is so vehemently anti Brexit. He says 70 years of peace on the European continent (except for the Balkans in the 90’s) is shattered, war between Europeans (not necessarily including Russia) can now resume. Most commenters indicate thumbs down to his analysis.
For my own part, his argument seems strained. The Big War seems to me to be the priority to stop, not another between France and Germany, which I can’t even imagine, except with great difficulty.
I am leery of glee and pay more careful attention to Lavelle’s guests that are more sober than he, but he gets my attention with his humor at 25 minutes: “Obama needs to take advice from Victoria Nuland!” (….as in her famous intercepted telephone conversation regarding the EU of more than two years ago….) That was priceless! Humor always indicates a brain in healthier balance than some dry stick.
Now to get more acquainted with Mr Pilger……… Thanks for this mini-thread, SB and 2LTQ.
Bro, your
“I’m not euphoric about Brexit. Euphoria can lead to mania and to a quick banning and exit of one’s own self …”
… reminds me of a quote of Carl Jung’s late thoughts: “By all means we need a new orientation, id est a matanoia. When one touches evil, so there is the urgent danger, to become addicted to it. One must not become addicted anyway, also not to the good. A so called good, to which one succumbs addicted, loses it’s moral character. Not that it becomes evil in itself, but it emerges evil consequences, because one is addicted to it. Every form of addiction is of evil, negligent being about alcohol, morphin or ideals. On must not be seducted any longer by the contradictions.
Alle ist klar.
Addiction and seduction. Both suggest lack of will, and weakness. the tail wagging the dog. And that ain’t love. It is incomplete being, lacking will. Danke!
Now to get more acquainted with Mr Pilger………
Pilger’s site here Bro http://johnpilger.com/
Thanks, Peter. Didn’t know he was a film-maker. Will make a point of watching a few. Since I can’t watch everything can you recommend which you consider the 2-3 best of his???
Thanks for the link, Pilger nails it, as he so often does.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/25/marine-corps-looks-to-fighter-jet-boneyard-after-new-fleet-delay.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fmost-popular+%28Internal+-+Most+Popular+Content%29
The Marines are looking for a few good planes, and their search has taken them to an Arizona boneyard where the Corps’ old F/A Hornets have been gathering dust for years.
The jets are being reclaimed and refurbished by Boeing after the service branch was caught short on planes because of long delays in the rollout of the much-awaited F-35.
Guys does anyone know Kievs real casualties in their war on the people of DPR LPR? I know they are hiding them
I posted ststistics coupla days ago on another analysis…from donbass body count item on dninews donass 24 june just scroll dow. Its still there.
One day the growing science of “Near-Death Experiences (NDEs) will blow a cosmic cleansing wind through all the sectarian strife between religions and denominations. It will also dispel the supernatural assumptions (that unconscious matter in brain cells can produce conscious awareness, subjective feelings and intentions) underpinning atheistic materialism.
http://the-formula.org/resources/how-near-death-experiences-are-changing-the-world/
http://iands.org/home.html
https://www.amazon.com/Science-Near-Death-Experience-Consciousness-Survives/dp/1594773564/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1466931769&sr=8-2&keywords=science+of+near+death+experiences
https://www.amazon.com/Consciousness-Beyond-Life-Near-Death-Experience/dp/0061777269/ref=pd_sim_14_5?ie=UTF8&dpID=51xtXFXCjKL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR107%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=HHT67SNA8FDQ62AQZN93
https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Hypothesis-Investigations-into-Existence/dp/1441152245/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1466931839&sr=1-1&keywords=the+soul+hypothesis
But the 3 Ukrainian Orthodox and the 2? Ukrainian Latin Churches, and any Protestants like the “Bloody Pastor” Turchinov – all could simply take heed of the Master’s words: “Love your enemies, do good to those who persecute you.” “Love your neighbour as yourself.” “Whatsoever you do unto the least of these my brethren, you do unto me.” etc etc etc!
The other wild card is if ET’s who have perhaps saved us (according to multiple testimonies of former military personnel plus declassified documents for both NATO and Soviet militaries) from nuclear holocaust – make a more explicit appearance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B__akc_6710
http://www.ufohastings.com
http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/witness-testimony/
In that event everyone will have to sit up and take notice. Alleged contactees and some NDE experiencers say ET civilisations are mostly more advanced and more in tune with Divine Guidance than us in our stage of development.
You could always check out workd itc and transcommunication websites, check out the scole ecperiment too
Peter from Oz
Hi Peter, last time I wrote a poem from your comment, hope that you have not get upset about that. As a matter of facts, I’m interested in various things, including UFO’s and the near death experiences. Raymond Moody is one of my first books in these series but there is also Rudolf Steiner who is not an easy run. I have many books on this subject which is very interesting and just wonder how many people don’t give a damn. But that is their free will. There is much to be discussed if there is an interest on that. If you think so, we can start it.
Interesting!
Not an area I was ever more than 25% open to spending any time looking into , except very recently. Good to know more than one Sakerite from Oz has thought and read up on it. My recent mention of El Giza and Balbek bears on this tangentially.
Getting there slowly, but moving obligations tiring me and slowing me down.
Right now I just want to post this from an impersonal email from old Saker regular Peter J Antonsen, alias “Durrutti. He says:
“Standard article from Mainstream Media reflects importance of & imperialist upset at British Brexit vote.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-labour-leader-under-pressure-after-mps-quit/ar-AAhDrNA?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
Note counterinsurgent Labor gang apparently not fulfilling their job as Judas Goats leading the working class & youth into the Zionist American straitjacket Concentration Camps of the Mind & also of The Body.
Labor gang leader, Corbyn, is apparently an honest human who is doing his best to resist the New World Order. Therefore, the huge pressure upon the Labor Party rank & file, to eliminate Corbyn & return the political organization to its assigned Zionist Rothschild Oligarch Judas Goat role.
This is specially important as 52% of Britain’s 70 million voters have chosen to Leave the New World Order.”
Durruti
Hi Bro, how is the stand with your moving in new house ? I know very well what does that imply. Glad to hear from Peter J Antonsen, why does he not come back here ? side effect ? Hopefully you will keep coming, sometimes got you playing in the war-rooms with plastic soldiers … just a joke, good to know that you have a good sense of humor and that gives me a relief. Well, unfortunately as in any war, people get hurt and sometime have to leave the theater of operations. Lat time, Martin has said that he has a lot of old historical maps, oh man, how much I would like to see those maps, many years ago, (maybe some 30 years) I had also a lot of military maps (originals) dated from ww1 and ww2 but my “good” brother sold them – by the way for scratch – in a time when I was in the military service. I had even an original Soviet flag from the war-time (as you can see in films) and that too sold out by dear brother. I was mad of furry, but what’s gone is gone. Anyway, the time is also gone, having probably less years in front of me than left behind me but that is good so, or dare we not accept it ? There is destiny in our life even if you or me or Martin in that sense, not accept that, or we are not so easily accept it, being in our eyes some sort of defeat : who is going to threaten our free will ? but, there is a much greater will, which is not ours, a much greater power than ours, behind spiritual laws which are not totally open for us, there is a mystery which has to be solved by each of us, personally. The subject of life after death is one of these mysteries. Now I wish you a good day and take care of you and your blessed family.
Dearest Ioan: PJA, I don’t know. I just get his political email blasts to anarchists and NWO haters. Some are good! Some are bitter. Some are funny.
Well, your brother was a jerk to impose his lack of care on your values when you were not there to stand up for them. Stupid stuff happens, like people growing up in the same house and not even knowing each other.
I failed in my promise to get down to the skivvies today, because I am wiped out. As is typical with war, the water one in the back of the house I am leaving escalated to hundreds of water balloons thrown with aggressive intent. This way the playhouse for the little one was finally baptized in the (liquid) “fire” of a real battle or two that we’ve been talking about ever since I built it 3 years ago, when I was still able to work hard.
I would come home tired, hungry, my neck killing me, to a messy house where every musical, educational, and recreational need of the little cubs was attended to, and frequently growl, roar, and snarl. Once it was suggested that the littlest go finish his homework with Daddy.
He looked straight through me and said, “I hate Daddy. I want Mommy.”
Yeah, now we’re touching upon parental abandonment and why the human race is so messed up that it needs to be brought through to safety from exterminating itself or falling into eternal slavery. But this is a peek, a preview only of where I am going.
Since I was working on houses that he never saw, I decided to build one for him. It took a few months, of early mornings and weekends and it was well built 4 by 4s frame, water-proof Trex decking floor, and beautiful tongue and grove walls from a scavenged 80 year old wooden garage door, vertical tongue and groove, green on the outside, dark stained brown on the inside. A 12 inch by 18 inch hole in the roof for lookout duty. Share your email with Saker and I’ll send you a few pictures including the concrete threshold supporting the steps up into the entry, where I set little stones into the fresh concrete that spelled his name, and carefully painted them black with an artist or water color brush.
And shortly afterwards my thoughts and my health forced or rather allowed me to spend much, much more time at home providing a rough and fun sort of love (he’s poet…we constantly taunt and trash talk each other in rhyme…. including his greatest passion: “couch tipping”, which he demands almost every day. He hangs on to the seat and back of the couch or climbs on it like a monkey as I tilt it up 90 degrees or more, shake it, and often tip it all the way over on him, after a few minutes of harrowing antics by tilltor and tiltee. It’s light and well cushioned, cheap recliner sofa. No injuries. Just anger and disappointment when I finally call it quits. He considers it an inalienable right without time limit.
Well Martin was forming in my paper’s rough draft in my mind, and then the wild swings of euphoria and mania kind of took a buried tension and exploded it. So that changes things and their is some redrafting going on.
For sure I have one third only, max of my life left. If you have half that’s a lot! Though my body is now pathetic compared to when I could go 20-30 hours on deck of a king crabber in the Bering Sea in the 70’s, and it may give out all too soon, I have never been happier with my direction. I hope some of that rubs off on you and tempers your nihilism, as when you were so horrifed by DL’s huge data dump, hated the stench, and publicly wished for a thermonuclear “flush” sort of cleansing.
Not so fast! There’s still a lot of lower tract blockage that needs to be freed up and gotten out before The Big Flush is undertaken. And may it be primarily of bad elitist spirits, actually, not poor souls of victims that we need not yet give up on! But they’re not heavy. They’re our brothers:
https://youtu.be/oT57tjz9py8
Looking forward to your next works! Spakoine noche! Your Brother.
@ Bro:
“[..] Labor gang leader, Corbyn, is apparently an honest human who is doing his best to resist the New World Order. Therefore, the huge pressure upon the Labor Party rank & file, to eliminate Corbyn & return the political organization to its assigned Zionist Rothschild Oligarch Judas Goat role.”
Oh, in many ways I agree and disagree with you at the same time.
For one thing, as I said before, I actually like Corbin, trouble is… that after seeing him side-up with the Remain [pro-EU] camp, we’re both [me and Corbin] really on opposite ends of the political spectrum.
Not to mention – donno about you – but I actually watched his EU Sky [News Channel] debate. And I didn’t know who to clock first, the obviously vetted pro-EU in-studio audience, or him.
He really did came out of that debate sounding like a snotty, holier-than-thou, privileged, London-metro-snob, pro-multi anything [so long is anti-working class] tw*t.
And this is supposed to be an old-school socialist?!?!?!!!
Never mind that he’s supposed to be the leader of a party that’s called: “Labour”!
Of all things! Labour = working-class party.
What part of any of that he doesn’t understand?! (aRRGGG, I feel like tearing my own hairs out!)
He’s not part of the party called “Labour,” which in turn are supposed – by mandate – to be looking after the working-class interests. No! He seems to be one of those champagne faux-socialist with a dash of Green too [because he’s, oh, so concerned about Climate Change issues].
He should join the useless Liberal Democrats if that’s where his heart truly lays.
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Having said all that, and in light of recent events [most of his appointed shadow cabinet resigned, in a sort of internal-coup started by no other than the Russophobe in chief: Hilary Benn].
I should also bring to light that most of his shadow cabinet was populated by Blairites (how that happened? Don’t ask… long story)
If I was Corbyn, I would say good riddance to all of them and use this as an opportunity to bring, well, the non-Blairites on board.
We’ll soon see if he’s the true Socialist he claimed he is, or the disgusting phony I saw on that EU Sky Debate :/
-TL2Q
I appreciate the reply. However, please understand that your are really replying to our former regular Peter J Antonsen, who I tend to agree with on some things and disagree with on others. I was quoting his email blast.
I myself am collecting inputs from those closer to that scene of action, and still weighing evidence and not forming conclusions in stone just yet. Probably not a good idea to chisel in stone when things are so fluid. Paper is better. Easier to wad up and toss in the waste basket when I find what I have written to suddenly seem absurd. An analogy for highlighting and deleting and rethinking….. Cheers!
on Ufos to me the ultimative work is Carl Jung,
Synchronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principle. (From Vol. 8. of the Collected Works of C. G. Jung) (Jung Extracts) Paperback – November 14, 2010
highly recommended
to me the brexit reveals the spiral coming back to the revolutionary entrance again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBPSr4TsQkI
hugs
well, there is this cycle also: country Joe and the fish: One, two, three what are we fighting for?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=country+joe+and+the+fish+One%2c+two+three+what+are+we+fighting+for&view=detail&mid=B8E6F50929A6547CAC3EB8E6F50929A6547CAC3E&FORM=VIRE
Russia and Crimea are having a love-fest but the news speak proclaims vehemently, “Russian aggression”! Donald Duck and co. stalks them by sea, spy-planes by air, nato (n-am-terror-org) by land with weapons of mass destruction. The axis-of-evil encircles on all fronts. Gang stalking is terrorism. The empire-stalks-back.
they are still living with wit and grief
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsqCKzHIStc
a very dear comment of mine seems to have got lost – my wife calls in the kitchen for supper , later I’ll try to restore it –
until then, for today, I’ll remind of a point in my penultimate blog:
“so on Sunday quite something will be swinging through the soul of our thinking
without being perceptible to natural senses
only proclaimed by the effect in the mechanics of the spirit in ouf feeling”
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2016/06/with-mercury-to-soul-of-fire.html
My heart is filled with joy and sadness. Brexit has something to do with it. The joy of a change even if it has a blowback. Sad because my Dexit (death exit) is coming and I have so little time to fail. I want to read those links above to near death experiences for some assurance.
I struggle with the “what’s the use?” aporia. But yesterday there were several strange coincidences that strengthened my experience that someone out there loves me.
Strange synchronicities continue today. The world seems changed ever so slightly: more hope, less despair everywhere. Strange, but I choose to think it’s not really Putin’s doing; or not entirely. I think the love army is already having an effect on the world’s turning. And that means this vineyard is, because the love army is getting coverage here.
Synchronicity. Strange idea. Jungian. In my mind, things coming together strangely: Saker’s thesis, what’s it on?; Augustine’s fascination with memory, like Carthaginian caves; Mark Knopfler’s “we will remember”; when I’m all alone in the great unknown, I’ll remember you; Jesus: do this in memory of me; a-causal events coming together in space and time, as if by magic.
Love is not bound by the rules of being, time, existence, commerce, non-being, religion, politics and personalities. Love is free. Vineyards are traditionally places for love making, for getting intoxicated with love; or failing that, getting stoned like Dionysus, god of wine and theater, and Adriana. This cafe provides military, geo-political analyses in the war rooms, and refreshment of food and drink in the cafe. There are no boudoirs yet but we’re getting there; and if we do, bedrooms are no longer off the table.
The best part of that “we will remember” clip was at the end when the music stopped and there was just the joyful sound of the children’s voices, as they played in the leaves. So much for death’s power (the dying and dead leaves are magnificent play fellows and sisters). I can still remember playing in huge piles of leaves as a child.
Remember as re-member; once again become a member of the love community, as here, and there, and everywhere. The meta-narrative of love is not here (fully) yet but it’s getting there. Thanks in large part to Jesus, the apostles, the Fathers (and behind them the real powers of their mothers and lovers) and now the Saker laboring on a thesis, that remains shrouded in mystery (is the thesis writing him?). Is the topic: from history to mystery?
I’m writing a thesis too, and so are you. Mine’s about love, naturally. But I keep in mind that each thesis has an antithesis, which will come to some synthesis.
I’m going to Wisconsin Wednesday to visit my family of relations, a trip of some 2000 miles, by walking, trolley, bus, train, plane and car. My sister is sick with a threatening disease. Too much cultural junkyard and not enough vineyard, although she lives on a kind of paradise plantation. I lived there too for eight years. I’m not taking my computer with me; it’s taped to the table here, so I may be somewhat out of touch from vineyards, but I’ll be at a cranberry marsh, on three or four thousands acres, including a river, lake and woods, like I said, a paradise, of which about two and three hundred acres are in cranberry beds.
Well, you can see where my mind runs sort of. Dylan: feels like my soul is beginning to expand; look into my heart and you will sort of understand. Hey, I’m just mirroring you and this vineyard, so don’t blame me. We’re in this for the duration. Where it’s going, I don’t know or really care. I just want to be there when it happens, and don’t want to be left standing at the station when the train pulls out for the journey home.
Got to get back to earth now and do some chores, like carry water and chop wood.
I do hope you will not Dexit soon ( by the way, in Germany there is a talk about Dexit – D being Deutschland ) but to take it more seriously, you’ll have a long trip before you, 2000 miles is not right in the near : Wisconsin – Scott – Sheboygan. Take care of you Dennis and give my best wishes to your sister, give her strength with your love as we give you strength with our love.
Thanks so much, ioan
Denis,
strange, you mention “here, and there, and everywhere”… It’s a quote of my lost comment.
Let me explain.
I wrote about my realization, that the ‘Brexit’, done by the elders of the fourty, fifty and sixty decades – to me appear in a way like the exit out off the world beginning with “Please please me” in 1962 the world of autonomy in love.
The winner takes it all – the youth, we, since then took the lead nto the decade by creativity and love-power but in all unconsciousness and imediately the then elder thrieved by paying for it and created the hedonistic star-delusion for more than half a century, while playing their cynical world-games.
Today in the morning I wondered why in my mind was the song, beginning with: “To lead a better life, I need my love to be near …” (1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iELGhAGwBdc
to me it was and is about the only thing not to be hijacked: the singularity of private love.
The first Beatles-LP “Please pleae me” in 1962 was in England Nr. 1 for 18 moths. America totally ignored it.
But the later the bigger, America followed big time.
So, much is to come to America, good by to be lead by the evil behind a delusional world culture, hello to
the voice of the elders having been fooled enough to discern the secrets of sovereignity, from the grey “securities” of more of the same.
Denis, my hug to you and your sister, my old teacher (96) today answered to me in a re, referring to a piece in the cafe:
Ja, `Wunder an Begegnung´ erleben und teilen – das kann auch das Weggehen leichter machen. H.
“Yes, to undergo and share ‘ marvel of encounter’ – that can also make it easier to go away.” H.
Thanks for the good wishes. I enjoyed the Beatles song. Love will make a come back. The hippies had the right idea but lacked a coherent, practical and intellectual philosophy. The new love children will have it because we will give it to them.
I enjoyed your “with Mercury to the Soul of Fire” and these phrases:
fire in us visitors in eonic space
swinging through the soul of our thinking
rule of water in the shape of light
gestalt of the balanced heaviness
coming off the beyond
Who writes this poetry? It’s music to my Sagittarian arrow
The young of the 1960’s were sidetracked by drugs and narcissistic individualism and then hedonistic individualism and now the fight club, nihilistic individualism.
Wisconsin in the summer! Dennis–May your sister heal. Enjoy the late afternoon thunderstorms!
Hopefully the idea of the co operative will be resurrected from the 1960’s and let a thousand community gardens bloom!! It feels much better now that the moon has moved into Aries but I can see the slow down by Wednesday into the bog of the 4th of July,but only after everyone runs around shooting off firecrackers and traveling here and there in the Gemini precursor week end.
At least this week retrograde Mars will shrug off the lid of its initiatory underworld coffin and is starting the trip back to report to Father time by August 2nd. Time to dry off and get things blazing again but this time with some heavy firepower at its back. Jupiter in Virgo ( logistics and movement of armed forces) can only hold the lid on events so long.
Thanks for the encouraging words. I feel that things are changing. We are all making a difference. I have my own prejudices, using the imagery of the love army pro forma, according to the military analysis structure here, but love takes many forms.
I’ve heard that the “drugs and narcissistic individualism and then hedonistic individualism” of the 60’s youth was a deliberate attempt of the CIA/FBI to corrupt, marginalize and discredit the anti-war movement of the youth who didn’t want to go die for the bankers’ profits. And unfortunately, I bought into the disinfo campaign too much myself, at the time.
to a frequent commenter and the souls sympathetic to him in Sakers Cafe
http://carljungdepthpsychology.blogspot.de/2016/06/carl-jung-what-are-religions-religions.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/GJCbE+(Carl+Jung+Depth+Psychology)
I like that idea. But I think the Catholic church needs to update its theology to be more therapeutic for our times. I rewrite Catholicism all the time, and I also do that concerning the Orthodox, but I have to more cautious there because I know less about it. U an intrigued by what Saker is writing his patristic thesis on.
you can petition your off but the fact of the matter is that us working class British told all The including all the piggin’ troughers in Westminster and The Germans – and The Americans…
Get Used To It – You Slow Ones
THE UK is OUT of THE EU
We Voted For INDEPENDANCE
Get used to It
We Do Not Like You Controlling FASCISTS
Go and Do One
Tony xx
(sorry about that – I didn’t want to turn it down – my wife and I are delighted at the result
Tony we don’t post that sort of language at the Vineyard. Since I have no idea of the kind of language you might have included in your foreign language segment I have deleted that also.
Mod-on-duty
First consequence of Brexit:
People get scared by the apocalyptical announces in the MSM on the falling of exchange stocks markets and the future of the EU and so, makes a conservative vote in order to mantain the status quo, forgetting about adventures towards change.
So, after the so numerous corruption scandals in the PP ( Polpular Party ), right wing won Spanish elections, even when not reaching absolute majority in the parliament.
Also, the coalition of Podemos with old left IU has lost the preeminence it had in the first elections and the European elections, going in coalition with old Spanish left IU. This coalition has not been well understood by some leftists of always who see Podemos as the Troy Horse of the stablishment to dinamite the Spanish left, and so, their vote has gone either to the PSOE ( Socialist Party ), even when what remains of socialism in this party have the size of what it remains in his French homologue, or to swell the numbers of the abstention, in an election with the lowest participation rates in the Spanish history.
So, Mariano Rajoy, the president who gives press conferences by a plasm TV, or not even appears while being in the provisional government, and his party, may be, could have won, but, really they do not, do not represent us.
As I remember, Rajoy was forced to this election because he cannot form a government, yet he is again in that shoe. Thanks for the post.
It’s really the same battle everywhere. I try to get as high as I can to see what’s driving us, but also need to be in the nitty-gritty. I send my love to Spain, where the rain falls mainly on the plain, the plain people, the hard rain and the gentle rain of love in the heart. We will win this war. “She won the war after losing every battle.”
Dennis
Good point for Mary Hopkins…what a lovely musical.
Although this article is a month old, it gives an interesting insight into how NATO spreads disinfo and propaganda irrespective of its ballyhoo to ‘protect’ its ‘allies’ (reality: exploit the fears of its vassals, in this case Estonia):
http://news.postimees.ee/rubriik/1476
The last paragraph gives a brief summary of the Norwegian ‘news’ portal which was the source of the Russian ‘spy’ revelations. It might be worth a closer look at from Scott …
Looks like Erdogan is between a rock and a hard spot at the moment.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160627/1042017250/putin-erdogan-su24-jet.html
According to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Erdogan “is sorry” and is willing to deal with the crisis in the relations between two countries.
Vladimir Putin has received a letter from his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdoğan expressing readiness to resolve bilateral crisis caused by the downing of a Russian combat plane by the Turkish fighter jet last year, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Monday….
…..Erdogan said that Turkey “shares the pain of the downed Su-24 pilot’s death with his family” and “sees it as Turkey’s pain”, according to Peskov.
Turkey is ready to take all steps required to “relieve the pain and severity of damage” to the deceased Su-24 pilot’s family, Erdogan writes in his letter to the Russian President.
“In the letter, the Turkish President also says he has always seen Russia as a strategic partner and a friend”, Peskov said.
If this be true, it’s a miracle, or at least magic. I’m sceptical about leopards changing spots. Sounds like someone received an offer they can’t refuse. Regardless, if true, for whatever causes, it indicates a change in the weather. I blame it on Putin, that miracle worker. If it’s a hoax or feint, I’ll be disappointed. From my narrow point of view, which is paradoxically broad, I attribute this kind of magic to the appearance of the love army. But with miraculous events, or just strange ones, we’re in the twilight zone of mission impossible. Thanks. Keep us informed.
I’d like to see the “complete text of the letter”. I read that story too. And thought,that would be the “smart” move by Erdogan. But he hasn’t been known for “smart moves” in the past.The other thought coming to mind is the saying,talk is cheap “put your money where your mouth is”.Lets see actions from him,not just words.
Some intriguing foreign policy updates today courtesy of the France and Germany. These 2 FM’s, Ayrault and Steinmeier, held a meeting in Brandenburg an der Havel on June 15. The meeting was in this stone monastery. Very James Bond 007, isn’t it? And Brandenburg sounds very similar to Bilderberg as well, interesting coincidence there.
Today, Ayrault and Steinmeier released a lengthy joint statement. Some key points from it:
– they propose a European Security Compact “which encompasses all aspects of security and defence dealt with at the European level and thus delivers on the EU’s promise to strengthen security for its citizens.”. “…France and Germany recommit to a shared vision of Europe as a security union, based on solidarity and mutual assistance between member states in support of common security and defense policy. … ” Within the framework of the EU, member states willing to establish permanent structured cooperation in the field of defence or to push ahead to launch operations should be able to do so in a flexible manner.”
All right then. NATO, who?? Wasn’t mentioned in this long, detailed statement.
– on the subject of “common European asylum and migration policy”: ” Germany and France are convinced that it is high time to work towards establishing truly integrated European asylum, refugee and migration policy. Given the urgency of the matter, we should not rule out the possibility of a group of member states that share a sense of common responsibility making progress on common policies. ” … “the Dublin system has to be improved to deal with exceptional circumstances by means of a permanent and binding mechanism which foresees burden among all member states. If necessary, Germany and France stand ready to proceed on this matter with a group of like-minded partners.”
– “fostering growth and completing the Economic and Monetary Union”. Focus on 3 priorities: ” strengthening economic convergence, enhancing social justice and democratic accountability, and improving shock resistance to safeguard the irreversibility of the euro.” … “To this end, France and Germany will shoulder the main responsibility of organising a process of economic convergence and political governance which balances obligations and solidarity to accompany the process.” … “A future architecture of the euro will neither be solely rules based nor prone to mere political decision-making nor will it be steered exclusively by market forces. Every step of deepening the EMU will encompass all of these aspects.”
“Public support for the euro is undermined by a lack of progress on its social dimension and fair taxation among member states. Hence, as a general principle, any step to further deepen the EMU should be accompanied by progress in the field of common taxation, in particular with regard to transnational corporations, as well as the development of a social union underpinned by common social minimum standards.”
Entire statement at http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/Europa/Aktuell/160624-BM-AM-FRA_ST.html
Germany also announced its candidacy for non-permanent seat on UN Security Council 2019/20.
@ S113
Thank you. Very interesting indeed. It appears those two want to reset the Project as it was in the 1980s; except that the EU has grown beyond redemption since then. In my view the Project has effectively been derailed, crashed and damaged beyond repair and De Gaulle was right. The UK did the work, as he expected, and now wants to get out! What an irony!
I did some study in EEC law early in the 1990s (masters programme) and remember some mutterings at the time from officialdom that British functionaries were becoming overrepresented in the Brussels bureaucracy, especially in the high-power positions. I never made any checks on that but now wonder whether there was any substance in it to bring suspicions of a hidden agenda as De Gaulle feared. The facts though are irrefutable: the UK was a constant source of bickering and a solid barrier against the “ever increasing union” as well as the main promoter of Thatcherite economic neoliberalism and expansion to prevent deeper integration. Was it done at the instigation of the US?
Kim
Actually, I think that the European project has received CPR, and a breath of new life inserted into its lungs… by Russia and China, who released an extremely significant joint declaration on June 25th:
“The Declaration of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on the Promotion of International Law”
http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/2331698
This is an alternative New World Order, a ‘New and Improved’ World Order. Doesn’t it seem like France and Germany are tying into this somehow with their joint declaration? I thought so.
Some highlights from the Russia and China declaration (which is much briefer, mercifully, than the France/Germany one!!):
– “The principles of international law are the cornerstone for just and equitable international relations featuring win-win cooperation, creating a community of shared future for mankind, and establishing common space of equal and indivisible security and economic cooperation.”
– “…the principle of sovereign equality is crucial for the stability of international relations.”
– “condemn unilateral military interventions”
– “condemn… any interference by States in the internal affairs of other States with the aim of forging change of legitimate governments.”
– “It is crucial for the maintenance of international legal order that all dispute settlement means and mechanisms are based on consent and used in good faith and in the spirit of cooperation, and their purposes shall not be undermined by abusive practices.”
– “excludes the practice of double standards or imposition by some States of their will on other States”
– “condemn terrorism in all its forms and manifestations as a global threat”
Just a reminder that Eu foreign security policy via Mogherini comes out at the end of the week,will be useful to see how they slot together….hope you might volunteer to do that??¿??i
Well I don’t think Russia should be concerned about going to the Rio Olympics (or anybody else either). It seems the police or on strike over not getting paid. And there are signs all over Rio like ” “Welcome to hell. Police and firefighters don`t get paid, whoever comes to Rio de Janeiro will not be safe,” and on the main highway from the airport “Welcome, we don`t have hospitals!” I’m not sure between that and the Zika infections I’d want to go there if I was an competitor.