2016/12/02 01:03:00
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There is hope for the kids of Pizzagate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57GVIbVkHQY
Currently watching videos of Mr. Gunderson. If he is for real (which I tend to believe), then these are the real heroes with integrity & self-sacrifice, unlike that guy, you know, from Cuba…
Could those children be the Jannisaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries of the New World Order? http://www.ranprieur.com/readings/gosch.html
I note the article comes from 2005.
Also that the paper was closed the day the article came out and the writer was fired.
I had a fairly robust exchange with Dennis in the last cafe concerning the need – or otherwise – to have a definition of love. Whilst I took Dennis to task for not providing one, indeed his belief that it is not possible to do so, I did not provide my own, which strikes me as a bit unfair of me.
So here it is. It’s long, is the only thing, so maybe I’ll have to chop heaps out.
But at least I give something of it, and now Dennis and maybe others can take a chunk out of me for my views :-)
Part 1. Love as something each of us has to decide and define for ourselves.
What Love as an emotion was held to be by Ancients, its effects on the feelings we express.
Part 2. Know thyself.
This is perhaps among the oldest of all advice. Recorded in the writings of ancient Greek philosophers, whose influences by their own acknowledgement stemmed from Ancient Egypt, it is recorded on the temples of the Initiations into the Delphic mysteries, “”Man, know thyself, and you ..[will then] ….know the gods.”
Since I take this to be axiomatic, I need expand no further. For me, the questioning is – where did it start for me, this inherent drive to “know myself” and to know the world? For me, it started in childhood, those years of fast growth and intellectual freedom between around 5 – 12 years of age.
Running with a gang of street kids, we made rules of ethics for ourselves – no adults needed. They were all based on consideration for the others, from always sharing any spare food, to never betraying to adults.
These formed the basis for me, rules of conduct and thought that I built on – all around what constituted decent behaviour to others and why “this” was good and “that” was not.
The sum of all this is that, although I sometimes made decisions I came to regret, I learned and clarified until I was able to say “These are my values, the highest I hold. These are what I live my life by, what every decision and action is guided by and always will. And although I wont say I think I found ..”the Gods” certainly I learned exactly what it was I had been stumblingly seeking for in others and thus “knew myself”.
Why should the Ancients have counselled us to “know thyself”? There are many reasons, even for those not seeking to know the Gods, but a major one apart from being able to live a life of rectitude and integrity, is as a guide to being able to behave with rectitude towards others; as Shakespeare tells us:
““This above all – to thine own self be true
And it must follow, as the night the day
Thou canst not then be false to any man.”
How can you be true to “thine own self”, if you don’t know who that self is?
In addition to not being false to any man, knowing oneself is essential in order to Love.
We can show this by examining a related concept; how we can love another, which is illustrated in this worthy aphorism:
Before you can say “I love you” to anyone, you must know how to say the “I”. [A. Rand]
What does this mean?
“Before you can really grant love to those you value, you must be in tune with your own values and character, and know what it is you believe to be the right and the good, what qualities you are looking for in other people”.
“Love is an essential value we obtain from ..[and give to]..other people. In giving love, we are responding to our own values realised and made beautiful by another person. In receiving love, we receive a kind of reward for the virtues, habits, and qualities we have cultivated in our own characters.
love is actually our response to those few people we meet toward whom we feel the highest respect, admiration, and attraction”.
In spite of the many errors I believe Rand made, and the vehement disagreement I have with much of her philosophy, she did get some things right I think, and her identification of how to recognise our Love for another human being is, I believe, one of them. In a long search, I have not come across a better in spite of it’s somewhat stumbling expression, nor one which vibrates better with my own awareness of this emotion.
Love is the response we give, it is the name of the emotion we feel, when we encounter those values, those characteristics we most highly value, in another person.
This why love has nothing to do with worldly ephemera, such as riches, good looks, possessions, social status, but only with the values of character found in the person we value. It is also why we often describe as “stunningly attractive” a person others might see as very ordinary – we are literally “seeing with eyes of love” as to our eyes, a loved person is physically appealing [ and sexually highly desirable, if it’s the utmost of Male/Female loves].
A few years back I knew for a short while, an older couple, past retirement age. They were very much in love, and very happy with each other, never as far as I could see quarreling, and certainly never being unkind to each other. They were at best physically describable as plain, the husband overweight, red of face, with a bulgy red nose, and big tummy. It was also plain that to his wife, he was very appealing, attractive, she was always showering him with hugs and kisses. When we talked one night, she in a freer state of mind than usual said to me, “I love him so much you know, he’s the kindest man you could ever wish to find, he’s just lovely, always to everyone so kind”.
She had found her highest value in him, you see, and what’s more, she knew exactly what it was, this very moderately educated, but sincere and commonsensical woman. And so to her, he was still as he always had been “lovely, appealing, attractive.” She not only knew she loved him – she knew exactly why.
Part 3. What do we experience in Life as “Love”.
One mistake we often make I think, is to believe that “Love” is an amorphous thing, like fog, with the same blanket covering all. But I dont believe we experience love quite like that. We feel a deep emotion to many things, beautiful land, our own country and Nation, animals, children, friends, family and Romantic Lover.
They are all Love, the same, but different. For Example, what do we feel when we are filled with Love, for the beauty of the world?. Enjoyment of everything of beauty that stirs our senses, coupled with a desire to protect, to nurture, to allow to enter our soul and a desire to give something of our soul back to it. To exchange energy in other words.
This nurturing is same aspect of love we feel for the animals of the world, with often an increase in nurturing for those facing ill fortune, especially the ill wished on them by mankind.
Most of all we feel this nurturing form of Love when we relate to babies, to our young. Overwhelmingly for them we feel nurturing emotion, a desire to protect, care for, and work to provide the best of life for. We feel a great joy in them also, in their newness, their innocence in the sense of lack of information, their daily learning pathway.
When we come to love between adults, we experience other knowledge and other aspects of each other which evoke the emotion within us which we call “Love – love of another [adult human being].”
These are the aspects of character, of person, or of soul, or Plato’s “essence”, or spirit, or mind, or consciousness which we most admire. Love then is the name for the strong emotion that the presence of these values evokes in us.
It is a feeling of admiration – but more. It is valuing and a desire to maintain this person and these values, but it is more. It is a joy we feel in the person and those values, the sense that they add substantially to our world, to our enjoyment of this world, of our own life. It is a desire to bring the “aura”, the non-physical aspect of that person into our closer ambit with our own. More, however, it evokes in us a desire to contribute to that persons’ own world, their own life and love of it, their own joy and enjoyment – a desire to be a cause of happiness for them. The greater the values are, the greater the emotion they evoke, the more we can say “I love that person” and know we do – and why we do.
It is here that we need to know what the values of a personality are, what it is we most admire about persons, what we feel the greatest admiration for, trust in. Mostly they should be values of character which we share or at least strive for, for in this way we find the complementary which leads to strong relationships, and know truly why we love such a person.
The intensity and amount of love we feel is in direct proportion to how much the other person holds these values, lives by them. Most will hold them to varying degrees that lead to the strength of the friendship. The comment of Nikolai Tesla is recalled that, the more intelligent you are, the fewer friends you have, because with increased intelligence comes increasing selectivity. The selectivity is based on the awareness of the good values of the friend.
Finally then, What we come to is the difference between Platonic love and “Romantic” love. If at base the values we respond to are the same, what is the difference between these two loves. Platonic love is the love we have between friends – and this can be deep and enduring. It can resemble Familial love, the love we hopefully can feel for family, if they grow to hold the same or similar values as we do ourselves. It can and often does surpass familial love. Why then is it different to Romantic love?
Human beings can do one thing that, as far as we are able to ascertain, no animal can, and that is fuse the emotion of love with sexual desire, so that they intertwine with each other. This has to do with the complimentary nature of dual entities which is a Universal rule.
Among humans, the complementary which forms the strongest unity is that of the Masculine and Feminine principles.
When Boy sees Girl and mutual interest is generated, neither knows anything about the values and personality of the other, however the initial attraction, which is sexual, is present. Animals will usually mate at this point [As do many people].
This is not Love. This is just physical attraction. However, many people do want to seek out the values held by the one for whom attraction is felt: indeed for many initial attraction depends solely on those values,if found.
For example, I have never found any man attractive “at first glance” although I can see that they may have classical handsome features. A striking physiognomy and being attractive are two very different things. When one finds the highest values of character in ones own pantheon of values, so high, so strongly held that they evoke the deepest, the most intense of all the feelings which we call Love, this makes the person also substantially sexually attractive. This we call Love between a man and a woman, or Romantic Love. I am certain, from conversations I’ve had, many readings I’ve undertaken, that this emotion can only ever be as a one on one, never as a social group, never a sharing with many others and never some vague undefined emotion which one is feeling and has no idea why.
In every case, be it parental, familial, platonic, romantic, it boils down to a deepest, true response to something we very highly value, made manifest for us in other person, or entity or idea, a sharing of energy and emotion, both a giving and taking of the shared joy in each other.
With your comments here that I have read and with this one, you seem seem to have your feet on the ground Isabella.
For me, I guess the feelings I have for my family could be called love. My wife, my children, my siblings. Love is a very much over rated over used word. After my family I have close friends. That is not love. After the close friends are those I respect.
Thank you Peter,
I agree that it’s an overused and misused word, or concept. And that is a great shame – that the best and most sublime of emotions which should be kept for it’s almost sacred use has been trashed into “loving” a new bag, a food, and such like. It also is misused to be a vague, unimaginable fog-like thing, so that many people have difficulty understanding what it is and come to the conclusion that they are unable to love, without realising, I think, that they are being loving all the time.
We need to try and train ourselves to be more specific in our use of words I often believe. Force ourselves to remember to “like” a new bag – even a great deal – but that “Love” is reserved for only the deepest of emotions drawn from us for those who make manifest our best and most valued characteristics.
Family is of course, the first and closest of loves, as it encompasses ones spouse, children, parents; for with the spouse family also encompasses Romantic Love, and love of family, especially children, is experienced within the context of that Romantic Love.
I’m glad for you that you have that.
Namaste.
Lao Tzu, the great Taoist master, starts his Tao Te Ching with the line:
The Tao that can be talked about
is not the real Tao.
The same can be said about love. Love transcends mind, logic, description. We can only hint at the true nature of love, circumscribe it. Whatever we say about love, falls short, fails miserably, forces us to try again – the birth of music & poetry.
Reading about love (god, truth, silence, light) won’t help. You have to experience it. You as an individual. Even lover and beloved can’t share it. But when you experience it, you recognize it instantly. No outside proof needed.
Go back to a moment of highest intensity of love. What will you find?
No fear is there. No boundary. No separation between outside and inside. No mind. No questions. No expectations. No wishes. No ambitions. No time. No ego. No self.
Just an uncaused overflowing of aliveness, freshness, splendor, bliss. Godliness!
My feelings exactly on the subject.
Its a feeling/experience we all know and understand, however fleetingly. It is also deeply personal so proselytising and pontificating about it to others is the proverbial ‘putting legs on a snake’ and has been horrifically abused by conmen throughout the ages.
“Just an uncaused overflowing of aliveness, freshness, splendor, bliss.”
If it’s “uncaused” – how does it occur? Nothing in the universe is known to be without cause, or origin. You are saying love is created ex nihilo. Nothing is known to be that. In all of my active, filled life, full of emotions, I dont remember one that came without me knowing to what it was linked.
However I do remember that feeling of – overflowing of aliveness, freshness, splendor, bliss -.
It was after a very hot drive across the Hay Plane of Northern South Australia on a 45degC day in a car with no air conditioner, and I staggered exhausted into the first pub in Hay and sat under the aircon with a long cold beer. I felt just like that!!!
Isabella said: ‘how does it occur?’
Nobody really knows, just as nobody really knows whether or not: ‘Nothing in the universe is known to be without cause, or origin.’
There are lots of suppositions, theories, scientific explanations and religions built on ideas of what is the cause or origin, if there is one, of life, the universe and everything in it—but nobody really knows.
English speakers are particularly snookered by this, because of how our language (which influences how we structure our thoughts, there has to be a subject, verb, object) is structured. People who structure their language differently (eg Chinese) don’t generally have such an death-grip attachment to a need for causation.
@ Isabella
I think you suffered a heatstroke and hallucinations. Hay is in NSW and there were some drinking holes between Hay and the SA border. When was that? I was on that road on my way to Darwin about Christmas 1974 – we might have crossed each other then, long before crossing swords here!
Ah – don’t tell me. Another Aussie being bewildering. Is the comment an Aussie joke? Or were you being deliberately insulting. After all the years I lived there, I still never can tell. You think I suffered heat stroke and hallucinations – why?
It was indeed bloody hot. And it was a while ago, but not in ’74. mid ’80’s I think, maybe later but I dont really remember clearly. It was too hot to remember much, including which of the equally tiresome and ugly states it was. I was also busy telling myself that the lovely floating water and strip of trees along each side of the road, but far off, weren’t real.
I also am confused by your direction. The Hay Plain Road goes roughly East/West/East crossing NSW from SA to the Mountains, and points East to the coast. Darwin is far north. Why were you going North to Darwin via points East/West? And I’m the one with heatstroke and hallucinations?
I dont’ see your point. Why do you people do this? – someone puts up a comment which relates to a debate, but you come along with some petty piece of drivel that has no relationship to anything. What does it matter where the horrible road is?. And as for other “watering holes” along the way – I sure dont remember anything after I left Foster in the mountains, and finally hit Hay.
Of course, it was after you were there, Maybe they had all closed by the mid 80’s.
What I definitely do remember was how glorious it felt to find an aircon and a long and very cold beer. According to _smr or whatever he calls himself, I was wonderfully gloriously in love and I can know this because I directly experienced the feeling.
It is, of course, perfectly possible that he is the kind of guy who falls in love with bottles of beer. Maybe you are too of course, if you are an Aussie :-).
Given his rambling discourse on some distant Asian authority whose meaningless burble he takes as the last word in philosophy and how to know yourself , it wouldn’t’ surprise me.
Good night.
@ Isabella
“Darwin is far north. Why were you going North to Darwin via points East/West? ”
Because during The Wet sometimes most of Queensland becomes as big a swamp as the Amazon Basin in flood, and the only way to the Top End is through SA. I travelled alone from Sydney to Port Augusta and then Darwin, 3 days 10 hours, 4,500km. Fantastic mirages, incredible adventures and mindboggling fatigue. And nice tales to tell my grandchildren when they come to grace this world. If not I’ll write a book.
You should. Write a book I mean. You could call it “Drivers of the Outback” or something.
I was coming back that time I mentioned from something – forget what, probably a caving trip to the Snowys, and I also crossed it driving Adelaide to Townsvill, also a 3 day excursion, so I know what you mean,
Of course in the Wet you would have go round the centre. Many roads are permanently closed then. And the “Top End” road hadn’t been surfaced by then either.
I got a quick flash the other day, of driving a country Aussie road, the sun making black strips of the shadows of gum trees on the road, the faint elusive scent of Australia coming through the window, and seeing the odd parrot or galah take off from the bushes. I felt a quick twinge of – something or other – remembering I”ll probably never see it again. It was quickly gone.
ON my YouTube at the same was the Adagio, second movement of the Concerto d’Aranthuez by Rodriguez, one of my favourites. I always tell people, if you want to know what the Australian bush feels like on a baking hot summer afternoon, listen to that. It will tell you everything.
It’s the sort of memory I’m glad I have as it adds to my experience, my knowledge, my learning, but also OK with leaving behind.
Nice talking to you.
@ Isabella
“Adagio, second movement of the Concerto de Aranjuez by Rodrigo”
Been there, done that. On a hot summer day we (family of 4) crossed Spain through the centre and in many respects it was like being home minus the gumtrees and plus the odd hamlet hardly discernible in the simmering landscape. The heat of 40 Celsius was stifling but we had a selection of Spanish music to enliven the monotony of flat country driving and Rodrigo was with us, of course. Magic music for the occasion. The weather is harsh in the centre of Spain (nine months of winter and three months of hell, they say). But along the northern coast it was cool and breezy, mountains clad with mysterious ancient forests and mists, green meadows and spread-out villages – a different country.
Lovely memory for you.
Do you agree though – he “caught” the feel: the silence because it’s too hot for a even an insect to move, the air feels as though it weighs pounds, and in the silence, every small noise you make, the crunch of the dried gum leaves as you tread on them – that feel of heat heavy on your eyelids?. That piece of music has it all.
I wrote a poem about it. I always found the Australia bush at times like that — eerie. As though there were a huge power in the bush watching me. and it didn’t want me there, either. I was very sure of that. I had an overwhelming feeling, that the white man had no business being there.
Never been to Spain – you make me regret it. I read that there are many small villages totally deserted – everyone has gone – if not to the moon, to the nearest big city. Metropolitisation I call it.
Darwin Christmas 1974? I remember it was a little breezy that year. You run into a girl named Tracy?
@ Earthrise
Yes. Met her, but she was a bit wild and gave her the cold shoulder. She took my car though, a little Mitsubishi Colt 700cc, my first road toy. Life was very exciting then.
beautifull
you descibe love as a well, what it is.
But it must be said, a well, waiting for
being discovered by oneself
waiting for the fool being pure enough
_smr,
Great post.
“The Tao that can be talked about
is not the real Tao.”
This is why I am moving past Science, it only deals with the tiny amount we can talk about. We are not able to perceive the Truth in our short lifetimes, we are not equipped with the right senses (or we don’t know how to access them). I think though the journey is the purpose, not the destination. Maybe once we give up trying to perceive the Truth, that dormant sense might awaken. Once we have unlearned what we have learned, what remains must be Tao.
Bon voyage.
All I can say to you and everyone else who espouses your view of not knowing yourself or love, or how to know love, or how you love, or anything else, is that I am much more with Socrates than I am with you:
“An examined life is not worth living””
Then again, since he and I agree totally on “Democracy” and what a sham it is – probably not surprising.
End of it, for me.
drat.
it should, of course, read an UNexamined life is not worth living”.
After reading your wonderful comments, here is the promised poem about the same old subject, Love :
The Spirit of Love
If I speak in the man’s tongue
Or even in a tongue of angel
But I do not have love,
I’m only a resounding gong
And only a clanging cymbal.
If I have the gift of prophecy,
Knowledge of all mystery,
Moving mountains with my faith
But I do not have love,
I am nothing just another fake
If I give all my goods to the poor
And give my body to be burned,
If I reign alone the whole world
And all humans take my word
What uses me all above
When I don’t have love ?
But, if there’s no love in me
Neither songs nor harmony
Neither freedom and beauty
Neither pain nor happynes
Then I have no more, no less
Just the sound of emptynes
Empty words and empty power
Empty soul who waits the Hour
Ioan: Thank you for this latest,wonderful poem…the lack and longing brought tears . Longing leaves an emptiness which can be filled, but bluster leaves the space filled with hot air..
Apologies for the mistakes : emptynes = emptiness, and happynes = happiness , of course. The hurry to post it and the possible mind weakness….might be the cause. I’m just a servant of care, at my home, in a square.
Thank you ioan.
Indeed, I like that piece from Corinthians 13:1 and 13:2 very well. And I do agree. It tells us that nothing you do in life has meaning, unless you do it with love; love of the thing being done, the people it is done to benefit, love of the the very world and universe too, I think.
What it doesn’t do, of course, is tell us what is “Love”, how do we “do” it, since it is an action, or how do we “achieve it” or how do we feel it? How do we know that whilst we are speaking prophesy, we also have Love?
Consequently, it does a fine job as far as it goes, but for me doesn’t go far enough.
Yes, that is inspired from the Corinthians 13, and maybe will have to do the part two of that. In my view, love is not an action but a condition of the soul. There is no prescription on how to achieve it, I think it is something you have or not. I’m so sorry that kinterra is missing for a time now, he/she could have very good thoughts on this issue. On the learning question, I think that one life is not enough, but this leads us to a much broader issue and some people will have not the best thoughts about that. The main problem with the love is in the word itself. Dennis, for example goes from the English LOve (as he said) but in other languages, the love is very well distinguished in two forms : compassion-love and lovers-love. The Biblical argument is that of compassion-love. The prophecy is a gift (yet again something to be explained) which means seeing in the future, foreseeing events of the future. Today, we have some groups, political and/or economical, who can do this and are doing this very well calculated – we call them strategists – and we know some of their agenda. They definitely don’t have love. Their specific “art” is manipulation to achieve their long term self created “prophecies”.
@ Ioan
That is a hymn to humility, innocence and generosity – the aim of true love – to erase the Freudian trinity and find in others one’s essence, that “thing” that make humans (except capitalists, Zionists, egotists and other lowlifers) distinct from other life forms.
And don’t apologise for typos. Even the best monolinguals (my neologism for native English speakers) commit the most atrocious maulings on their language. That’s why there are English spell checkers everywhere.
Thank you for that one Isabella (One-liner I know).
In the spirit of Dennis, let,s go there for a while (don’t ask me to translate).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn1IxvBspko&list=PLSKEYDEhBARgrkrq90WA6BzwRxN8iLtwJ&index=52
Take Care
Kent
You are very welcome Kent.
Thank you also.
Cheers
For me, love is not how you feel but what you do.
Yesterday i almost choked myself when i saw this headline:
http://svet.sme.sk/c/20398742/rusi-pravdepodobne-zabili-posledneho-syrskeho-klauna.html
this is main MSM newspaper in Slovakia with a title: Russians allegedly killed last Syrian clown.
a f…ing (edited MOD)clown!
@Earthrise
Removed (not courteous to other commenters)
If you didn’t read the list i’ve included it here again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Consent
pretty benign, eh?
The problem is that the description is false. As the result of an FOI request a parliamentary investigation is reported here:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmpolcon/784/78403.htm
which I referred to in this comment (I imagine you already read that though):
/moveable-feast-cafe-2016-11-28/comment-page-1/#comment-299089
As you can see the the consensual prerogative powers extend way beyond what Helen linked to on the Wikpedia page and include:
“to wage war by any means and to make peace (including power over the control, organisation and disposition of the armed forces);”
(it seems what the prerogative list actually extends to is actually a mystery)
The same investigation includes a befuddled description (by the Leader of the House of Commons) of the process of seeking and obtaining consent – the inconsistencies are enormous but ultimately state that “Consent can be granted or withheld”. I’ll take that at face value.
In any case Helen was not impressed by a seemingly alternative media site (Hang the Bankers) of what this power to withhold consent leads to (it is actually also reported in multiple MSM accounts and others e.g. press.tv).
That leads us to your land down under and this report in respect of your (and Helen’s) “bejewelled tourist attraction Queenie” where one slipped through the consent net and failed at the assent stage:
http://australianpolitics.com/constitution/gg/royal-assent-to-legislation
Quote:
“Section 58 of the Constitution allows the Governor-General to:
consent in the name of the Queen
reserve a law for the Queen’s “pleasure”
return the bill with suggested amendments
Contrary to popular belief that the Governor-General rarely exercises these powers, there have been a number of cases of vice-regal intervention in the legislative process.
According to Appendix 19 of House of Representatives Practice, a number of bills have been reserved for the Sovereign’s assent since 1901, one of which failed to receive Royal Assent. Other bills have been returned with suggested amendments by the Governor-General, the most recent in 1985.”
And that’s only the ones “According to Appendix 19” – you can review the list at the link ;-)
I can’t imagine i’ll bother searching for info on the ones which tripped up at the Australian consent stage since it took a Brit (John Kirkhope) until 2011 to launch the FOI request that resulted in the Parliamentary investigation.
In summary – so much for the “Rubber Stamp” Monarchy.
The rest of the comment is removed, same reason as in the beginning. The alternative would have been to trash the whole comment. (Mod)
@Mod
“The rest of the comment is removed, same reason as in the beginning. The alternative would have been to trash the whole comment. (Mod)”
Can’t grumble at that – although I don’t think the suggestion of Earthrise putting in a similar FOI in Australia was discourteous…just a helpful suggestion ;-)
@Anon,
Why don’t you take this up with your MP (that’s what he/she is for) and seek clarification if you are so anxious to prove your point?
I’m an anonymous commenter on a Russian propaganda site, there’s not much to be gained in trying to convince me.
Comment removed … this site is for the discussion of ideas not for personal disagreements between commentators … mod-hs
Hey!!
” this site is for the discussion of ideas not for personal disagreements between commentators ”
This is the Cafe’ right?
If no disagreement is allowed, personal?? say what?? What is personal?? Why don’t you let us, the readers and participants decide?? (provided that common rules of engagement are respected).
Please clarify or I am http://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Outofhere.jpg
Take Care
Kent
Hello Kent,
Moderation is vital to prevent Trolls from infiltrating discussion groups and destroying them from the inside. I was part of an Anarchist chat group where a very loud coterie of feminazis swarmed in, turned every discussion into a feminist rant, took over the Mod positions and then kicked out all the Anarchists. The Saker is already on The List, you don’t reckon Maryland, Virginia and Tel Aviv are here? If our defences are not tight, we will lose this pool of light to the darkness.
“Moderation is vital to prevent Trolls from infiltrating discussion groups and destroying them from the inside.”
I agree on that one, rather self evident IMO.
The “swarming in” of whatever group in discussion forums is also familiar to me.
Actually, sometimes it’s only one or two persons with multiple personalities, and some of them are very good at it (fairly reasonably paid as well).
Personally I would be a lousy moderator, and I do not envy the moderators here. All in all, as far as I can see they’re doing a very good job. Have no idea of the workload though, but expect it to rise, perhaps dramatically in the near future.
I believe that all three letter agencies are here, + a few others. Not very active in posting, but very much active in observing.
For those of you who believe that posting anonymously, or with a nickname are invisible to these entities, I believe you are wrong. (unless you are very good at it that is).
The “protection” is valid though for prying by low-life individuals, family, friends, colleagues, local authorities etc..
I gave up posting anonymously a while back. Kent is my real name. Fairly easy to find out where I live, + some of what I do. Happened a few times already. I don’t care anymore.
Take Care
Kent
@Kent,
I think that most of us are aware by now that there is no real internet anonymity anymore. Helen is my real name but I think very carefully before posting personal details that would too easily identify me to any idle troll who is out to disrupt a forum.
There is little an individual can do against the alphabet agencies that collect and surveil all posted data but we can avoid encouraging those who attempt only to provoke off topic outrage for their own amusement.
Its drama without substance and that does get tedious.
I’ve been on various blacklists for almost 40 years, I’m past caring about the snoopers too.
Good thinking. A long time ago on other sites, I used to post under my real full name (minus the middle name). That was a mistake.Some pro-empire troll googled the name. And found an ex-criminal with that name .Wrong middle name,wrong age,wrong part of the country.But they posted this person’s bio trying to say I was him. Of course once I posted the errors they made,it discredited them.But still,if I hadn’t found those errors,and posted them.I would have been tarred by false accusations made against me.I learned my lesson from that.And went to using screen-names instead.
The same thing goes if you think of others here who could have a nickname in the past and because of sharing, naively, a lot of personal information because of their confidence in this community, and after seeing that that was used by others to attack them personally by their provenance, ideas and so on, instead of arguing what they really were saying, then opted to go to anonymity, to be rebated by what they say and not for what they are.
I think that people who abuse more of that issue when commenters have a nickname are the same who complain a lot about the existence of anonymous here.
@Helen
don’t worry, all that free hi-tech NHS medical advice won’t bwe available for much longer and you may then get what you seem to wish for.
Rule Britannia and the Emire’s war on Russia, eh ;-)
The NHS is entirely funded by the taxes we pay all our lives–so nothing free there. It generously treats non-taxpayers also if they are in need of emergency care.
And yes, (sarcasm alert) you will always find me at the front of the crowd cheering on our Queenie and her idle family of hangers-on, ecstatically waving the Butcher’s Apron and demanding that a gun boat be sent to put down the pesky foreigners.
How well you know me from a few posts on the internet!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack#Other_names
Because I’m stuck!
http://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/FrogStuck.jpg
Take Care
Kent
It’s unfair. We are discussing ideas, but if someone disagrees, then we can’t discuss ideas. Funny.
Very often commentators do not discuss ideas at all at this site but use bandwith and attention of moderators and readers just to express their agreement or thankfulness to another commentator, especially towards ioan. Is the etiquette for expressing agrement different from the etiquette for expressing disagreement?
Actually, I don’t see why the etiquette should be different for disagreements. But, maybe there is a reason. Here is why: when you agree, you are sending a message which is pleasant to hear to the addressee, right? Whereas a criticism is also a little harder to take. So why not dip it in some nice words and extra courteous language before delivering it?
Does that make sense?
The Saker
@ Anonymous
Take it from a lawyer: You are right.
The prerogative (reserve) powers of the Crown are extensive and will be used if “necessary”, that is, when they decide. I’m surprised Earthrise did not mention the coup d’état against the Whitlam Labour government in 1975 – most Australians know about it. The Queen’s representative (governor-general) unconstitutionally dismissed the government, whether acting on his own or on instructions from the Queen.
In more serious situations (riots, insurrections, etc.) the reserve powers of the Crown are unlimited: martial law, summary executions, suspension of habeas corpus, etc. Generally, most republics don’t recognise such powers.
https://www.sott.net/article/335411-Turkish-airstrikes-kill-US-German-military-officers-in-Aleppo
I read an article from the iranian new agency, Fars, it speaks of the killing of western combatants by turkey in airstrikes. Now, I have a hard time with this. Whose side is he on? Erdogan admitted to wanting to get rid of Assad but still the russian gas pipeline deal goes ahead…
https://www.sott.net/article/335418-More-hurdles-to-go-Turkeys-parliament-ratifies-agreement-with-Russia-on-Turkish-Stream-gas-pipeline
This whole thing is extremely confusing. Can anyone make head or tail of any of this? Even if I read alternative source of information, I still feel completely in the dark as to what is actually going on.
I think its simply that Erdogan is trying to play both sides. He doesn’t want to lose the benefits of Russian trade. But also he doesn’t want to lose Gulf states money. He doesn’t want Russia (and Syria and Iran) to win. But also doesn’t want the US to win and set up a Kurdish state.By putting a spoke in all sides at different times,he thinks he can control the game. And make sure no one really “wins”. It is very contusing,but the main point to remember (for me at least) is don’t trust Erdogan to support with either side totally.
Your explanation makes a lot of sense. It probably explains the coup as well if he plans to do things his way, he needed to purge his government from people that were favorable to america. Also, he would want to get rid of Gulen so that the CIA never decide to install Gulen as the new puppet government of Turkey.
So Turkey would play both sides? Also, it could be a globalist conspiracy, Erdogan might be part of a plot by the muslim brotherhood to get more influence over the region. Maybe even at the cost of Turkey itself.
If you recall, it was Kemalist generals who did the legwork patching up the relationship with Moscow. It is becoming clear that Erdogan ditched Davatoglu, not so much for differences in outlook but out of expediency– one cannot rule out neo-ottoman ambitions. Being out of immediate danger he is back to his old game, threatening to flood Europe with ‘refugees.’ and such. A leopard can’t change his spots.
I think the term ‘deep state’ was first applied to networks inside Turkey, and there is no real estate more valuable than the Dardanelles (that I am aware of) so Thiamin’s point about globalists is well taken.
http://theduran.com/breaking-furious-putin-calls-erdogan-forces-back-obliges-erdogan-deny-intending-assads-overthrow/
Erdogan reminds me of the ferryman in the movie Outlaw Josie Wales as befits one straddling east and west: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBHdbexrK1Q
@ Uncle Bob
Your explanation is very compelling but he can’t play that duplicitous game for long. Once the fog or war is removed from the landscape someone will have to settle scores with him, and there is a crowd waiting.
You are not alone Thiamin,
It seems one of the main reasons we are in a post-truth phase is a number of countries have totally disassociated themselves from civilisation. Everybody lies, but most people weave the lies through the truth. I first noticed Israel had made this shift; nothing they say is true, every word is for effect. The US followed, and then Turkey. Almost all other countries tell half-truths, the truths that are in their benefit. These three evil sisters have no truth to tell, because they have nothing but evil in their hearts.
The only way to fight a liar is to assume everything they say is false. This atheist found a pearl of wisdom in Matthew:
“A Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.”
This pearl came to me not long after entering politics. It was invaluable in negotiating the pits and snares of internal party machinations. Essentially, you don’t judge people by what they say (we know this), but also you don’t judge them by their actions; you judge them by the results of their actions (the fruit). Bad fruit does not come from a good tree.
Turkey, Israel and the US are in Truth freefall because what they want is immoral and evil in the eyes of the world. If they were to be honest about their intentions, the whole world would come a knockin’, pitchfork and torches in hands. The truth they are hiding is territorial expansion:
“To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”
This is why we are in a post-Truth world, because the truth is we are aggressors and the root of accumulated evil. Turkey, like Japan in the 30’s, has just read the tea leaves and come to take its slice.
@Earthrise,
I don’t think that we are in a post truth world at all.
Politics and diplomacy has always been a post truth zone, since the first aggressor eyed up his neighbour’s goods, land, wife, whatever and began scheming to take it for himself, but the majority of us try to stumble towards some semblance of truth if we can just get past the blatant and simplistic propaganda stories fed to us.
Most of us already recognise the truth but get side-tracked and distracted by special interests way too easily.
A new café – a fresh coffee, a fresh start. Franz, I apologize for snapping at you in the previous venue. I was too sensitive in that moment to have a conversation. I’m sorry. :-)
@ S113
Nice of you. You were terse, edgy, that’s all. We can take it, and also deliver it too. And Franz is not shy of treading on some toes either – and his language sometimes is peculiar, even borders on the cumbersome and you don’t know what’s going on, whether sarcasm or insult or inanity.
Anonymous, thank you for your empathetic reply. While what you say may be true, I think my reaction disallows or dismisses opposition voices.
So there was an aircraft carrier off Canada’s borders, in the North Pacific Ocean (which is now off the coast of Washington State or Oregon, presuming the Google maps are accurate!!) And it got a bit ‘too hot for me in the kitchen’!! Off topic, It turns out a couple other people experienced similar reactions over potential confrontation in other parts of the world:
Iran:
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/iran-provokes-us-military-helicopter-flying-coast-iran/ri17885
Ukraine:
https://southfront.org/breaking-new-war-in-europe-can-begin-today/
The thing is IMO the entire Canadian political class, of all colours and stripes, tensed up during this time. On this site, we only sees small fraction of these opinions represented, but many reacted like Franz. So I shouldn’t have singled him out like that. Thus, the apology. :-)
Someone close to me delicately encouraged me to not read the Russian Ministry of Defense website for a few days due to potential for extreme reaction. :-) Canada’s Armed Forces released a statement from the family and friends of the pilot who was killed. It was very touching, and the statement said it felt like the whole nation was mourning with them. I confess, it felt to me like one of Canada’s sons had died, while protecting the nation. Even though I didn’t want to be, I was really, really upset. With so much death in so many parts of the world, we have many opportunities to grieve for those who we’ve lost. But this one death triggered a large response here, it seems.
It seems the older gentleman LOVES making expressos for his customers. It’s the most elaborate contraption I have ever seen dedicated to hitting ground roasted coffee beans with steaming hot water.
I sense care, satisfaction, and purposeful will in his barista demeanor.
This is not the highest love but it reminds me of an incident in Germany, where the name of the highest love (Agape) was invoked, at a “petrol” station off an autobahn, in 1989. Agape was in the air, in a political context, in terms of the spirit that needed to be extended towards the East, in the re-unification of Germany. Bush, Thatcher and Mitterand would have none of it, as we know, but in those heady days there was hope.
It was winter, snow was falling , the Wall had come down, and despite the headlight wipers the front of the car was covered with a film of salty dirt. The young German political activist driver got outside the car to pump gas and I did also, to stretch my legs. As gas was filling the tank, he opened the rear trunk, and I went back to see if I might help. The trunk was perfectly organized with spray liquids for painted surfaces and wheel rims, clean rags, two squeegees.
“Wow!”, I said, with admiration, as the driver went into his pit stop routine with efficiency and speed.
“Agape also pertains to the care of the automobile.”, he explained, matter-of-factly, but with evident satisfaction, as he lovingly attended to “Das Auto”, and I watched, with a smile of amusement.
Anyway this being the Love Cafe, I want to finish up Essay on Man Epistle II on Self Love. Since the AZ Empire NWO “Elites” of a Garbage Can are Self-loathing and wage a War on Love (which they mistakenly consider a great weakness……), this is all of the highest strategic relevance. The concluding Verse 3 needs to be split due to its length. Here’s the start of verse 3:
III. Modes of self-love the passions we may call;
’Tis real good, or seeming, moves them all:
But since not every good we can divide,
And reason bids us for our own provide;
Passions, though selfish, if their means be fair,
List under Reason, and deserve her care;
Those, that imparted, court a nobler aim,
Exalt their kind, and take some virtue’s name.
In lazy apathy let stoics boast
Their virtue fixed; ’tis fixed as in a frost;
Contracted all, retiring to the breast;
But strength of mind is exercise, not rest:
The rising tempest puts in act the soul,
Parts it may ravage, but preserves the whole.
On life’s vast ocean diversely we sail,
Reason the card, but passion is the gale;
Nor God alone in the still calm we find,
He mounts the storm, and walks upon the wind.
Passions, like elements, though born to fight,
Yet, mixed and softened, in his work unite:
These, ’tis enough to temper and employ;
But what composes man, can man destroy?
Suffice that Reason keep to Nature’s road,
Subject, compound them, follow her and God.
Love, hope, and joy, fair pleasure’s smiling train,
Hate, fear, and grief, the family of pain,
These mixed with art, and to due bounds confined,
Make and maintain the balance of the mind;
The lights and shades, whose well-accorded strife
Gives all the strength and colour of our life.
Pleasures are ever in our hands or eyes;
And when in act they cease, in prospect rise:
Present to grasp, and future still to find,
The whole employ of body and of mind.
All spread their charms, but charm not all alike;
On different senses different objects strike;
Hence different passions more or less inflame,
As strong or weak, the organs of the frame;
And hence once master passion in the breast,
Like Aaron’s serpent, swallows up the rest.
As man, perhaps, the moment of his breath
Receives the lurking principle of death;
The young disease that must subdue at length,
Grows with his growth, and strengthens with his strength:
So, cast and mingled with his very frame,
The mind’s disease, its ruling passion came;
Each vital humour which should feed the whole,
Soon flows to this, in body and in soul:
Whatever warms the heart, or fills the head,
As the mind opens, and its functions spread,
Imagination plies her dangerous art,
And pours it all upon the peccant part.
Nature its mother, habit is its nurse;
Wit, spirit, faculties, but make it worse;
Reason itself but gives it edge and power;
As Heaven’s blest beam turns vinegar more sour.
We, wretched subjects, though to lawful sway,
In this weak queen some favourite still obey:
Ah! if she lend not arms, as well as rules,
What can she more than tell us we are fools?
Teach us to mourn our nature, not to mend,
A sharp accuser, but a helpless friend!
Or from a judge turn pleader, to persuade
The choice we make, or justify it made;
Proud of an easy conquest all along,
She but removes weak passions for the strong;
So, when small humours gather to a gout,
The doctor fancies he has driven them out.
Yes, Nature’s road must ever be preferred;
Reason is here no guide, but still a guard:
’Tis hers to rectify, not overthrow,
And treat this passion more as friend than foe:
A mightier power the strong direction sends,
And several men impels to several ends:
Like varying winds, by other passions tossed,
This drives them constant to a certain coast.
Let power or knowledge, gold or glory, please,
Or (oft more strong than all) the love of ease;
Through life ’tis followed, even at life’s expense;
The merchant’s toil, the sage’s indolence,
The monk’s humility, the hero’s pride,
All, all alike, find reason on their side.
The eternal art, educing good from ill,
Grafts on this passion our best principle:
’Tis thus the mercury of man is fixed,
Strong grows the virtue with his nature mixed;
The dross cements what else were too refined,
And in one interest body acts with mind.”
re: bro 93…love your erudition!
And out of the whirlwind? A small, still voice.
And the steady loves of quiet masters of humble tasks per Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
And the most precious…a love that conquors death.( Time..Kali..death)
Thanks to Isabella, Helen and Bro 93 for their thoughts and feelings.
Thanks, Isabella, for “defining” your experience of love. My own experience is different. I respect yours.
Thanks, Helen, for your perceptive question which affected me most. I ask myself the same questions. Am I “proselytising and pontificating…and a con-man?” Yes, no doubt those elements are in me.
Your metaphor of “legs on a snake” is likewise perceptive. It is an unnecessary addition and would destroy the snake. I read in it a deep sexual meaning. A snake is a symbolic penis. The story is that the snake in the tree was a demon who persuaded Eve to disobey God. The tree of life may serve as womam’s “bush.” God hates natural sex because it opposes his power. Eve was having the kind of sex that God hated. God is a puppet of patriarchy.
I am feeling a rage against patriarchy which destroyed the natural order. I don’t blame God; he’s just a front for evil men (and now women) who hate anyone who opposes them. Communal love-sex is the main opposition and therefore patriarchal men must destroy it. The Love Army defends the Love Bower where true love is practiced in a community of lovers.
Thanks, Bro 93, for more of Pope. I have tried to read him from the beginning but it’s no use. His Essay on Man is really an Essay on God with Man as God’s pet puppet. I respect Pope’s view and yours. I just don’t agree with it.
The rage against the patrix machine that I’m feeling now is part of my love. I feel regret that this virus is affecting this vineyard. Sometimes I feel like that snake; I hate those who try to put legs on me where they do not belong. I love having two legs planted firmly on earth and a third one in bed with love.
You seem to think that God and Nature are diametrically opposed. That may be true of the Old Testament God but certainly not of Mohammed’s Allah or Christ as the Son of God.
I suggest you look at Sophianism, which heals the rift between the Desert Patriarch-Demonic religion and something that you may find closer to your poetic heart.
Yes, I do think God and Nature are opposed; God is super-natural–that’s opposition in my book, and applies to all patriarchal religions, including Allah’s and Christ’s.
Sophia is obviously a female name. If there is a “rift” between Patriarchy and “Demonic religion,” it would indeed take a womam to heal it. Thanks.
Dear Dennis,
As an atheist I have a different take on God (funny enough). While I have seen absolutely no evidence for a personal/active God, I do play with the idea of Creation. Could be 5th dimensional beings, Ancient Aliens, or the Great Scientist in the sky. I kinda feel the last one, something seems to have set the four natural laws (I hear there is a potential new one). The whole structure of the universe is inevitable, as is life, consciousness, and whatever is next, once these laws are set and the scale increases into the trillions and trillions. Sorry Science, the multiverse is not cutting it.
So for me, Nature is God. Sol who is responsible for every facet of life in our Solar system, her mother which created every molecule in our biosphere, the nebular she came from to Creation itself. If God is not in Sol, then she truly doesn’t exist.
@ Dennis,
Before the creation story of the bible was conceived, the snake/serpent had a different symbolism, that of wisdom. I believe it still does in Hinduism and in Chinese mythology and I prefer that symbolism.
It features in Nordic and Celtic creation myths also as a wurm or dragon that underpins all creation and from which all things mysteriously spring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros
Helen, the snake has an even older history here in South America – at least among the Canari people, who were here long before the Incas and are here still.
There is a stunning statue on the road from Cuenca up to Ingapirca, going through Canari country. It depicts a two headed snake, one of the heads is that of a snake, the other a woman’s head. Beside it is a man playing music on a pipe. They explain it as the snake being the means of mankind going from Hell – underground, where the tail is, a dark wet place,- to heaven, where the 2 heads are going. They also do not see the snake as evil, but as very wise, but with a woman’s wisdom – hence the woman’s head. The man has to play the Andean pipes to help guide the woman, as she cannot see in the blackness of underground. It’s a perfect complementary principle again, the woman has a certain kind of wisdom needed to move the snake, but she needs the male’s guidance.
If he fails to guide her properly, then she cannot see to sow seeds, the crops will fail and women will become barren, so their acting together is seen as vital.
It’s a very old mythology, so old they cannot remember how long they have had it apart from “always”. I found it intriguing that also, the woman is closely involved with the Biblical snake – since it is to her it addresses itself.
In the early Mystic Schools viewpoint, the Mystic scholars who went back to Egyptian times believed and taught that man evolved from vegetables, the snake is an allegory for the spine, as it is depicted in ancient texts as being both a snake and the trunk of a tree, standing beside the first male and female.
Intriguing old myths, with their roots in the reality of life as the people then experienced I think.
@ Isabella (San Diego)
Where in the world is Isabella (Carmen San Diego)? You travel a lot (fieldwork I suppose), and that reminds me of that old game I used to play with my children when they were toddlers (yes they were prodigies). Apparently the game was developed to help the Americans to learn some Geography and History – things they knew nothing about – but it was a wasted effort. However, the military used it to good effect to place, without warrant though, a few hundred bases almost everywhere to track down Insurgent Carmens, plus a few invasions.
@Isabella,
The Canari story is lovely and one I haven’t come across before. I will look for more on it.
I was indoctrinated as a child in Irish Catholicism but seem to have been born without the belief gene, or perhaps all that beating of belief into children had an unexpectedly welcome opposite effect.
The basic Eve and evil snake story never rang true for me, and it seems that Eve was second choice as Adam’s helpmeet, the first being Lilith who was swiftly written out of the later scripts for having thoughts of her own. A girl after my own heart
And, just you do not have more than to see how, the few ( or perhaps the one? ) Lilith-s who could have been here any time was harassed to make her-them dissapear…..
There were few women here who talked directly from their hearts and who, naively, thinking of this community being what it is not, shared deep and sincere feelings and even very personal experiences/data. Since they could appear as vulnerable or easy to persuade they were encouraged to share/comment more and more till they were found as too independent of thinking to be allowed. But thier attitude seemed to whoever a paper worth to be imitated for whatever goals.
Now you have a group trying to take their place playing that paper on sincerity/ authenticity but to me as that to not wash, does not sound to me authentic nor sincere at all.
This is what happens to me with the group of men and women here talking about “love”, “care”, “truth”, and all that, that does not sound convincing for me, since they only take care of themselves inside that group but react very harssely when anyone challenge their thinking.
There is something squeaky, not to mention the heap of geographic locations where they are ( or have been located ), the not less astounding knowledge of several languages, especially German, but above all the astounding coincidence in intellectual referents for people who apparently have no connection, I mean Shakespeare, Plato, Beethoven, and so on…..
All this sound very weird.
I don’t take that hat as my own, should I ?
In Wales we were taught that the story of St. Patrick “driving the snakes out of Ireland” was also a classic piece of misdirection [the evil ones have been doing this for a long time – Satan never changes his tactics ] the snake was held as a symbol of absolute Wisdom, by those from long before Christianity as in the Uraeus snake of Egypt. I have had dreams of them wrapped around my wrists a couple of times, and when I went to investigate found that in Pre-Brittanic times they were often tattooed around the wrist of some men, but what for I haven’t been able to determine.
The invading Franco-Saxons who brought Catholicism went on a crusade to Ireland, and their actions there to overthrow the original Pagan were retold to British as them having driven the snakes out, but as if they had done a good thing rather than an evil one.
Indeed, Lilith has gotten a bad press ever since, still being depicted as Evil incarnate. The early church really wasn’t big on women having thoughts of their own, it’s true.
Dennis, come on! “God hates natural sex…..” “God is giving women a raw deal” etc etc.
If you are talking about a spirit or force that is the cause of the existence of everything don’t you find it somewhat absurd to attribute negative attributes to that spirit or force??
It seems to me you are really saying something like “the bogus idea of God promoted by some humans and their churches” does this or that wrong.
Yeah ? So what? What’s bogus is bogus. Is that “God”. Is that Love? Of course not!!I
It seems like the most childish absurd complaint. Complain about the humans that try to control other humans with bogus ideas. Not “God”.
By any reasonable definition “God” transcends such imperfections. That’s the sort of God A. Pope is contrasting to you and me.
@ Dennis
Has it occurred to you that the idea of “romantic love” is a recent creation? And that it is heavily commercialised and might be part of the Hollywood Zionists’ plot for social control and make billions in the process?
Throughout the ages men and women married and made children by conventions, mores and familial arrangements (even for state reasons) without “love” interfering in their domestic arrangements until the chattering classes and their courtiers/scribers invented romantic love to enliven the gossip and sell books; and that’s why they are called “romances”.
Yes, there was Helen and Paris, Cleopatra and Antony, Peter and Ines, Romeo and Juliet, and many other love tales in antiquity, mythology and legend. But was there any love? While in Verona I looked for the house of the Capulets and found a hoax instead – and that is the story of “that” love.
There are deep feelings of devotion and loyalty towards one’s family and that is biologically shared with other animal species. Other types of love (god, country, people, as in the Narodniks) are culturally constructed.
Sexual attraction is a different story again, usually cloaked as love to give it respectability because copulation is, really, a basic instinct to all members of the animal kingdom, low and high. Love may turn up eventually but more often is a fleeting flash in the pan dimmed by casual insouciance, tedium and dreariness.
“Has it occurred to you that the idea of “romantic love” is a recent creation?”
No. Romantic Love goes back to the 1300’s and the troubadours of France. It was introduced among the wealthy, where it was needed. Until then, they had used marriange as a tool of trade.
This didn’t affect the poor. Having neither land, nor much in the way of possessions, they could marry as they pleased and much very early poetry from way before then is of love between shepherds and their shepherd ladies.
Romantic love is as old as Human beings, as it’s it’s a normal part of being human. It’s humans who distorted it for reasons of cupidity.
Here is an excellent analysis of Syrian/Russian strategy in Aleppo:
http://theduran.com/endgame-understanding-battle-aleppo/
An interesting analysis of why Trump is making certain appointments and the advice to give him a chance–“If he sells us out, then we can oppose him”
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/12/02/trumps-appointments-paul-craig-roberts/
What did I forget here??
Did I?
http://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/ForgotThat.jpg
Take Care
Kent
This reminds me to the following : Once, some journalists have heard that in a remote place somewhere, near a huge waterfall, lives a tribe and their members have flat foreheads and great ears. They went there to find out the causes. Arrived there, they so that every morning when the tribe is waking up, they ask themselves : ” what is this noise ? ” , meanwhile pushing with both hands their ears to hear better. After realizing what it is, they snap their foreheads saying : ” oh, I forgot it again, it’s the waterfall..”
Hi there.
Thank you for a very good laughter.
At one time on another forum some very serious people discussed “The elephant in the room” Forgot the subject except is was about Ukaine.
I couldn’t help it, and made this: http://fotovision.no/GLP1/ElephantInRoomRed.jpg
Take Care
Kent
If it’s the discussion I’m thinking of, the elephant was ‘pale blue’, not red.
And I don’t think it had swallowed fifty gallons of Smirnof…like your guy :-)
Did you draw it yourself?
“Did you draw it yourself?”
Not really. Original is from a French comic book from the early seventies. I did alter it quite a bit though.
Take Care
Kent
It seems that the UK is going to send ships and planes to the South China Sea to assure “freedom of navigation” in a sea that already has freedom of navigation. OK ,that sounds reasonable (not). And hopefully we can see a Chinese fleet in European waters in the North Sea,Mediterranean Sea,and Baltic Sea.To assure the freedom of navigation in those as well.Maybe making sure that the Channel between France and the UK,stays open to navigation. It seems to me those already freedom of navigation areas need some protecting as well. It would be a good long distance training cruise for Chinese war ships too.
https://www.rt.com/uk/369005-military-south-china-sea/
How to Break Free from the Matrix
https://youtu.be/U-U3Yrf8Bw0
@All
Merry Christmas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVtXseLIjcA
RED ALERT. By Jim Stone.
There is a post on the Daily Kos that 25,000 votes for Hillary were miraculously found in Pennsylvania. the reference is an ap report.
people definitely need to watch this.
2016.12.03
more than 24 hours later. bY Jim Stone
the ap now reports what was posted on the daily kos yesterday.
the entire tally of “found votes” benefitted clinton only.
How the hell would a Daily Kos readers know this a day before the AP did?
people who frequent the daily kos are stealing the election for hillary.
but someone involved in the election theft, screwed up by posting about it on the daly kos, more than 24 hours before the ap ever reported it.
People have urged me to send this report to the Trump campaign.
but my communications are censored, so you have to do it.
so archive and post + re-post this everywhere.
nb: when you re post this, make sure you only state in all headings that it is an ap report. otherwise trolls who want the election stolen will keep it from going viral.
2016.12.03
UPDATE: By Jim Stone
recount now officially filed for florida.
if this is not stopped dead in its tracks it is game over for trump.
http://82.221.129.208/baasepagee3.html
@a.dane please read moderation policy about no use of CAPs. I lowered cased all of your but future post using Caps will not be posted … mod-hs
I’m sorry for the transgression of your policy.
It will not happen again.
In my hurry, I copied the essence of the text from Mr. Stone´s site. (mostly written in Cap. letters)
However, the voter fraud, developing in Pennsylvania is now spreading to California, and my intension is to alert people to what is going on.
Thank for taking the time and effort to rewrite and post, my message.
Good morning from here to all time zones. It’s 4 am here. I woke at 1:30, got up at 2:30, started the fire at 2:45 and read the comments until now. What I love about this place is the underlying love and intelligence, the basis for a love community.
Thanks to Earthrise, Helen, Isabella, Bro 93, Anonymous and Phil for the comments that most interested me. Thanks to all, including the silent viewers. All of us are important.
@ Earthrise
I am not an atheist. God is real for me but my idea of God has undergone a radical change. I resonate with your terms of “5th dimensional beings, Ancient Aliens and Great Scientist.” I prefer to describe them as lovers, ancestral lovers and advanced lovers; gathered together in the concept or abstraction of The Lover.
You have described them before but I’ve forgotten what the four laws are, as well as a fifth. I agree that God is in Sol but that begs the question of God and Sol themselves.
@ Helen
Thanks for reminding me of the Ouroboros. My mention of the snake as a penis earlier was based on my tactile experience of a snake or fish, as well as the appearance.
The snake seems to be an ancient archetype for duality (two headed: woman and snake, see Isabella), intertwined kundalini, wisdom, eternal return, formless disorder, dark underground unconscious, (see Isabella), first living thing (Plato), one is the all, causality, infinity, wholeness and Kakule’s dream eureka moment of realizing benzene’s circular structure.
@ Isabella
Thanks for the two headed snake connection, dark underground image, spine allegory and trunk of the tree biblical reference.
@ Bro 93
I think the evidence does support my shocking assertion of “God hates natural sex.” I also think that negative attributes apply to spirit; God has them and Love does too–they are part of nature. Yes, there are bogus ideas of God just as there are bogus ideas of Love.
I think the evidence supports the idea that humans control other humans. It seems you do not want to attribute negative control to God, but why not?
A. Pope’s “definition” of God transcends imperfections. That’s the point. Imperfection is human and natural; the conclusion is that God is not human or natural. So it follows that God would hate sex since that is the most natural characteristic of humanity. We would not survive without sex. This aporia is solved for Christianity by the Incarnation of a God-Man in Jesus.
@ Anonymous
Yes, romantic love is a recent invention of patriarchy. In ages past, there was no romantic love but there was semantic and volcanic love. The Capulet story is romantic on the surface but there is a dark underbelly of cannibalism between the lines (see Joseph Atwill’s books on Caesar and Shakespeare).
I agree that there are many types of love, including the god construction; and the copulation instinct is uncomfortably so basic that in our culture needs the softening touch of romantic love, touched upon with your “dimmed by casual insouciance, tedium and dreariness,” a nice touch. Touche.
@ Phil
Merry Christmas to you too. Your Trump link led me to reflect on the Trump movement which is among other things, a call for Christians to band together under him to achieve unprecedented power. I think he is a necessary correction to the insanely, power-drunk Clintons, Demoncrats and AZ globalists who want to destroy Russia with nuclear or financial war.
However, there are dangers in the Trump movement. It could turn into nationalism on steroids. In my view, nationalism and globalism are too sides of the same coin; they have their truths and their falsities. Love is the whole of the two, the third factor without which we fall into the hands of the other third force of Empire. Count Khazar is playing both sides against the middle of Love. He hates true love because it would destroy his kingdom.
The LOve Army and Bower, and this LOve Cafe are that middle way that must save the day. [I keep making that mistake of the capital O; I do not do that consciously and purposely. I can only guess where it’s coming from; perhaps from the SS intelligence unit of the LOve Army (I just made that unconscious “mistake?” again), SS standing for Serendipity-Synchronicity].
Many thanks for Sakeripity and Sakericity. Love you all. It’s 5 am. I feel alive again, thanks in heart to you.
Dennis writes:
“I think the evidence does support my shocking assertion of “God hates natural sex.” I also think that negative attributes apply to spirit; God has them and Love does too–they are part of nature. Yes, there are bogus ideas of God just as there are bogus ideas of Love.”
IMHO too much Ego projection, Dennis. As though God were just a giant person we could invent as scapegoat for life’s challenges. All would be paradise if we could just screw ourselves silly 24/7 but he screws it up by hating screwing??? I think you mean well, but you really need to laugh at some of these things you come up with!!!
“I think the evidence supports the idea that humans control other humans. It seems you do not want to attribute negative control to God, but why not?”
Because the way this thing is set up is to give us a manifested physical reality (vibrating energy = material world) governed by universal natural law, and as long as we seek to know what that law, the boundary conditions that govern Time, Space, Matter, actually IS, and abide by it to the best of our extremely imperfect abilities, we are rewarded, we are granted the incredible privilege of discovering Truth.
“A. Pope’s “definition” of God transcends imperfections. That’s the point. Imperfection is human and natural; the conclusion is that God is not human or natural. So it follows that God would hate sex since that is the most natural characteristic of humanity. We would not survive without sex. This aporia is solved for Christianity by the Incarnation of a God-Man in Jesus.”
No, what you say “follows” are projections of your own, which are quite limited, unto something that is so unlimited we struggle mightily to even conceive of it. We are 1% conscious 99% unconscious (in the aggregate—some do much, much better than others…….) creatures in this tiny corner of the known Universe demanding more attention and goodies (like one continuous orgasm) when what we’ve actually got already is miraculous beyond measure.
Try: God is IN humans, but is infinitely beyond humans. The idea that God “hates” any part of Creation strikes me as absurd. The NWO elites hate Natural Law restrictions on their arbitrary power over other beings and are unable spiritually to connect their selves to THE Self, The ALL (God) so, in their self loathing, they throw in the towel, and decide to “get theirs” while the getting is good, as graphically illustrated by their 911 ritual of immolating LOVE numerologically symbolized by the movement from 9 (base consciousness) to 3 (the triune nature of the ALL …Mind, Spirit, Body (physical Universe) or of the particular creature within the ALL….you and I. In Flight 93 for Bldg 7 complimented by Flight 11 + 175 = 186 divided by the two taller towers = 93 or Love, across the board in Lower Manhattan, targeting Courage or Will to ascend from 9 to 3, in those they intend to enslave, globally, in their FAILED ritual.
So, Glory be to God and a Big FAIL to them is yours and mine to follow up on . Ergo stop complaining about God hating sex (what an absurd distraction!) , and get to work raising consciousness higher, because their attempt to crush it into the basements of the three towers FAILED. IF we follow up on the opening to clean up this spiritual ugliness and evil on this planet, manifest because of the psychopathic rejection of Natural Law by a tiny portion of humans and a propensity of most of the rest of us to fall under their thrall.
That’s a better approximation of “Love” IMHO, than the sexual act, which is necessary, and can be either wondrous or ridiculous, beautiful or ugly (rape) but is NOT sufficient in itself to continuing human life and its ascension to far higher levels of consciousness: Love. In greater and greater conscious harmony with Natural Law, the greatest gift, if it is not resisted, which includes our very existence.
All these “God is” are our projections. We know nothing of God, save our
projections of him, which are roots of powerfull spiritual entities since man
existed, giving him order and frame to deal with his drives and fears.
My central projection of God ist the “scintilla”, the divine spark within my soul,
not only monitoring me from day of birth but already supervised the
orderly mixtures, “stops” and “go’s” of growing, started by two slimy cells to become
a inconceivable miraculous mysterious psycho/physical body of a human child.
God as a complexio of contradictions was teached by Nikolaus v. Cusa.
Another definition was this one of the fourth century:
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/cross_fac/iatl/funding/fundedprojects/studentperformance/addivinola/
To me as astrologer, whom the mentioned monitoring spark led with 39 to my science, it is suffice
to see the unknown fatherly attender in the way, Psalm 82 sings of him as “presiding the great assembly
of the “Gods” – one of the many satisfying projections of the jewish religious genious on which Jesus
reminded in Joh. 10:34.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2082
Denis, you sometimes give me the feeling, you have to do a prolonged spiritual fools-work rocking
God’s boat, while we, your fellow-travelers receive your provocations for doing the deeper thinking.
By the way, the 10 commands of your army do remind me of an attempt, to do like God, giving Mose
his 10, which proved to be a yoke too heavy for real mankind, so Jesus had to come with the light yoke.
In your love army I, as a sinner, would not find myself being accepted, but by my beloved wife every time.
And be blessed for your beautifull short notes on late and early hours.
One of the many reasons why I like this site is its realism regarding war. Its purpose is to “stop the war on Russia.” This mission is emblematic of stopping war itself. My own passion is to discover the root causes of war and to root them out. I use the metaphor of a LOve Army and Love Bower to do this within a Love Cafe in a Love Vineyard. World War III seems to be less immanent now with Trump, but remember, he is not in yet. WWIII is still a threat, with or without Trump. My safety lies in Love, properly understood. I share that safety net here.
“Something is going on but you don’t know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?”
I just corrected the strange mistake I keep making with the capitalization of the O in Love. Consciously I corrected the perceived mistake which is hardly a mistake but another take.
Julian Jaynes wrote a book entitled “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.” In other words, we once had a mind that we no longer have. I call this original mind a love mind. The mind we have now is a patriarchal mind which causes war.
This week in the love calendar has the theme of Joy, using the Fool card in Tarot as a visual and emotive prop. It gets at the pre-patrix mind with story, myth, rhythm, rhyme and a mix of other elements. I will share part of the story here. The Love Government story is about Joy, the Fool who takes us home through a house of consciousness cards, 52 in number to match the 52 weeks of the year. We are now in the 50th week, called Joy which is the wild card of the deck. The story attempts to access the Love Mind by inviting us to relax our regular mind and just get into the story, as follows. Joy’s words are in quotation marks.
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I had that old lost in the woods feeling. Was my mind playing tricks on me? Was this a joke, a jest or mental masturbation to release the anxiety of a boring, wasted life? Was I missing the point, distracting myself with romantic fantasies? I could think of only one thing to say, and that was Help.
“I’m glad you asked,” said the joyous voice in my heart. “If you were home, you wouldn’t be asking those questions or taking this journey, now would you? Welcome to my space, a way station on your 52 steps to home.
“My card character is the Fool who will fool you if she can. Don’t forget this is a game. Play the Fool but don’t be a fool. You are more than cards and often just the reverse of what you think you are.
“Take the little white dog. I call him God because god is dog spelled backwards. God is a word made up by patriarchs to manipulate you from behind the scenes. Pats control the dog and the dog herds the sheeple. I don’t have a dog. His picture is to make the point that God follows Love and Love follows The Lover.
“As for being boring, a mental masturbator and missing the point, who isn’t in a patriarchal culture? The patriarchs started killing animals and then themselves because they got bored with love and missed the point of life. Their whole culture is mental masturbation because they rejected sacred masturbation.
“I’ve got to be boring as hell because I’ve got to bore down to the deepest part of hell to reach lost in the woods fools. I play the Fool because I love them. They’re a part of me too. We play together in a Fool’s Paradise.”
Joy was part of me too. She burned with Love’s fuel like no one else I knew. I’d rather be a true fool in Joy’s world than a false fool in God’s new world order. With Joy, I’d just do it. That’s all there is to it.
“You feel sad when you have to give up everything you thought you knew and loved. Sadness is a prelude to joy. Parting is such sweet sorrow. Sweet because you’re on your way to meet a greater Love. We go to meet her now.”
My mind was in a whirl as a great whorl of love settled in around me.
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It’s now 6:30 and dawn is announcing the sun’s glorious coming. What this day will bring I cannot tell, but for one and all I wish us well. Love, love and more love.
It’s now almost seven and I want to follow up on the pre-patrix mind of love and the patrix mind as a cause of war. Patriarchy overthrew the love culture and its “mind.”
The love mind of our origins was oral, not written; it was founded on sound vibration rather than intellectual meaning. It resonated with emotion rather than the repression of emotional intelligence.
Words are misleading in themselves but they do lead us to love. For lack of a better word, we use the word love to best describe the experience of a love mind.
The word love or LOve as I’ve been experiencing has a sound and emotional vibration that is closely connected to the body. The vowel sound of O (the e is silent) is the most basic of sounds, actually like a soft a, we make when the doctor examines our throat and says to say “ah.” Visually, it can be written as the O with a soft a sound.
Speaking of visual, I was just outside, walking among the sacred geometry sex art here on the property which over the years I’ve constructed out of stone, iron and wood with some glass vases as adornments. The geo art has a sound vibration but it’s too subtle to detect with our five senses; the sexth sense of intuition and the seventh sense of love is needed; and hearkens back to the ancient Egyptian stone art that vibrated sound. I once was in Egypt and experienced it with the other people on the tour.
The English word love has that soft “a” vowel sound with the visual o. The a sound is closely connected to the sound of the breath. In orgasm our breath changes and we may emit an ah sound, as a soft a or a hard oh. It’s pretty automatic and natural.
The two consonants in the word love, l and v, are arguably the most basic of consonants, made with the tongue and teeth respectively, two secondary sexual organs.
The word “lover” adds the r, which is a crescent moon sign. The l is a sign of the erect penis and the v is the womam’s triangular pubic hair, while the vowels o and e are the womam’s vulva and swirling and spiraling hair as she dances in the sacred sex rites.
There is a shrine here which I built to signify the lover womam’s body, as well as a peace circle and other circles, triangles and phallic stones a la the ancient womam-centric stone ages which post-date the actual love culture which did not need stone and script monuments, because it provoked an immediate and unmediated experience of love-sex.
All this and much more is signed by the world and word of love. The patrix mind’s world begins with the word, as in John the Beloved’s “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” That’s a rewrite of the love culture’s “In the beginning was the Lover and the Lover was with Love and the Lover was Love,” if we would put into words the wordless experience of love they enjoyed.
According to Jaynes, there’s a whole atrophied right brain space now which was once filled with “voices.” I interpret that as the voices or vocal vibrations of our ancestral lovers, communicating with us, particularly in the sexual sacred rites, where we lost our minds and experienced love and the after-life directly. There’s a trace of this in the Irish experience of “going out and about,” that is, out the body.
All this and more is contained in the word love. The Love Army’s first order is to “think love.” By so doing, we evoke these ancient vibrations and voices. Besides just thinking love, we say it out loud and send it out as vibrations which both heal and stir up negativity out of the unconscious so we can deal with it consciously–from the lovscious level below the unconscious and conscious.
The popular “aum” sound closes the soft a with the m of the lips, an addition by patriarchy which may or may not be a corruption; in any event the m sound with the lips closes off the a sound, as in mum’s the word, or positively mom’s the word.
I think all the created world is vibration or energy, love in short. Parasite that it is, the patrix creates a twisted matrix out of the substrate of love, and blames woman by slurring her with the term matrix. The Love Army restores our original language and therefore the love culture; and in the process stops war as such, and so the war on Russia.
Well, it’s almost 8 am and time for breakfast, no, not this cafe moveable feast of ideas and words but physical fruit and seeds and Eden water, “pleasure where waters flow.” When I make connections like a child’s drawing, I make connections with all of you in that universal inner-net of love. Love, love and more love….
This is interesting.
CEO of Russia’s Largest Bank Becomes Handicapped to Improve Company’s Service
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612031048134555-bank-disabilities-test/
“I believe that all employees who work with handicapped persons should spend some time wearing such a suit [special GERT aging simulation suit] in order to understand what it feels like. Experience like this helps develop empathy,” he said.”
Can one imagine an exec at large bank (or any other large corporation) in anglo-euro-land doing something like this? In the fascist, zionazified west, businesses, while proclaiming the exact opposite in their PR machine, have long ago taken the direction of trying to force the customer to adapt to the wants of the business, rather than make any serious attempt to mold the business to the customer’s needs.
This approach by the Sberbank CEO is more of an Asian business model than a western one.
Another cheap, pathetic propaganda trick by you-know-who, don’t fall for it… (/sarc off)
Mods, here we have a snarky one liner that most definitely was fit to be “allowed.” Made me chuckle, and here in the fire-ravaged mountains of Appalachia, I really needed that. So, Nussiminen, I hereby forgive you for all your erroneous accusations that I am as stupid and evil as all the western PTB — because you made me laugh. Thanks.
Recently saw a video of Japanese male execs strapped into 8-month pregnancy suits to the same end.
Don’t know if they ‘delivered’ or if the whole empathy exercise ‘miscarried.’
Guess you missed ‘walk in her shoes’ – US Army males staggering about in high red heels too…
Looks like a growing niche market.
Whatever happened to good old imagination?
Eimar
Back in the 70s I read some material about how Japanese corporations “moved in” on anglo-euro corporate territory in developing nations. This talked about how the Japanese would often adapt their products to fit the idiosyncrasies of the local people. It worked well for them.
And on the subject of banks:
Russia has said a major cyber attack was planned by foreign spies on the Russian banking sector:
http://www.chinadailyasia.com/news/2016-12/02/content_15535994.html
Original report from Reuters so don’t know if it’s legit.
The Self Love concluding part, coming up.
First though, if a dozen comments leave this one:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2016-12-02/comment-page-1/#comment-299654
in the dust, there, The Love Debate, Dance, Romance, Trance is continued beyond the levels of Das Auto MainteNANCE and sex in the rear seat. Or the trunk, if you’re a midget……..Like what is the requirement to deliver real love to 7 billion (I’m sorry 3.5 billion….no bisexuality promotion from me) since it is impossible to sexually couple with even .000001% of them, if that’s your definition of “loving” them.) other human beings, most of whom suffer worse possibilities than you do, of ascending in consciousness, owing to greater degrees of violation of their Natural Law rights???
That’s where I’d like to take the Entrancing Love Dance, ultimately.
So, Alexander P. , please finish up now on Self Love: Conclusion of Verse 3 Epistle II, Essay on Man:
“The dross cements what else were too refined,
And in one interest body acts with mind.
As fruits, ungrateful to the planter’s care,
On savage stocks inserted, learn to bear;
The surest virtues thus from passions shoot,
Wild nature’s vigour working at the root.
What crops of wit and honesty appear
From spleen, from obstinacy, hate, or fear!
See anger, zeal and fortitude supply;
Even avarice, prudence; sloth, philosophy;
Lust, through some certain strainers well refined,
Is gentle love, and charms all womankind;
Envy, to which th’ ignoble mind’s a slave,
Is emulation in the learned or brave;
Nor virtue, male or female, can we name,
But what will grow on pride, or grow on shame.
Thus Nature gives us (let it check our pride)
The virtue nearest to our vice allied:
Reason the bias turns to good from ill
And Nero reigns a Titus, if he will.
The fiery soul abhorred in Catiline,
In Decius charms, in Curtius is divine:
The same ambition can destroy or save,
And makes a patriot as it makes a knave.
This light and darkness in our chaos joined,
What shall divide? The God within the mind.
Extremes in nature equal ends produce,
In man they join to some mysterious use;
Though each by turns the other’s bound invade,
As, in some well-wrought picture, light and shade,
And oft so mix, the difference is too nice
Where ends the virtue or begins the vice.
Fools! who from hence into the notion fall,
That vice or virtue there is none at all.
If white and black blend, soften, and unite
A thousand ways, is there no black or white?
Ask your own heart, and nothing is so plain;
’Tis to mistake them, costs the time and pain.
Vice is a monster of so frightful mien,
As, to be hated, needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.
But where th’ extreme of vice, was ne’er agreed:
Ask where’s the north? at York, ’tis on the Tweed;
In Scotland, at the Orcades; and there,
At Greenland, Zembla, or the Lord knows where.
No creature owns it in the first degree,
But thinks his neighbour farther gone than he;
Even those who dwell beneath its very zone,
Or never feel the rage, or never own;
What happier nations shrink at with affright,
The hard inhabitant contends is right.
Virtuous and vicious every man must be,
Few in th’ extreme, but all in the degree,
The rogue and fool by fits is fair and wise;
And even the best, by fits, what they despise.
’Tis but by parts we follow good or ill;
For, vice or virtue, self directs it still;
Each individual seeks a several goal;
But Heaven’s great view is one, and that the whole.
That counter-works each folly and caprice;
That disappoints th’ effect of every vice;
That, happy frailties to all ranks applied,
Shame to the virgin, to the matron pride,
Fear to the statesman, rashness to the chief,
To kings presumption, and to crowds belief:
That, virtue’s ends from vanity can raise,
Which seeks no interest, no reward but praise;
And build on wants, and on defects of mind,
The joy, the peace, the glory of mankind.
Heaven forming each on other to depend,
A master, or a servant, or a friend,
Bids each on other for assistance call,
Till one man’s weakness grows the strength of all.
Wants, frailties, passions, closer still ally
The common interest, or endear the tie.
To these we owe true friendship, love sincere,
Each home-felt joy that life inherits here;
Yet from the same we learn, in its decline,
Those joys, those loves, those interests to resign;
Taught half by reason, half by mere decay,
To welcome death, and calmly pass away.
Whate’er the passion, knowledge, fame, or pelf,
Not one will change his neighbour with himself.
The learned is happy nature to explore,
The fool is happy that he knows no more;
The rich is happy in the plenty given,
The poor contents him with the care of Heaven.
See the blind beggar dance, the cripple sing,
The sot a hero, lunatic a king;
The starving chemist in his golden views
Supremely blest, the poet in his muse.
See some strange comfort every state attend,
And pride bestowed on all, a common friend;
See some fit passion every age supply,
Hope travels through, nor quits us when we die.
Behold the child, by Nature’s kindly law,
Pleased with a rattle, tickled with a straw:
Some livelier plaything gives his youth delight,
A little louder, but as empty quite:
Scarves, garters, gold, amuse his riper stage,
And beads and prayer-books are the toys of age:
Pleased with this bauble still, as that before;
Till tired he sleeps, and life’s poor play is o’er.
Meanwhile opinion gilds with varying rays
Those painted clouds that beautify our days;
Each want of happiness by hope supplied,
And each vacuity of sense by pride:
These build as fast as knowledge can destroy;
In folly’s cup still laughs the bubble, joy;
One prospect lost, another still we gain;
And not a vanity is given in vain;
Even mean self-love becomes, by force divine,
The scale to measure others’ wants by thine.
See! and confess, one comfort still must rise,
’Tis this, though man’s a fool, yet God is wise.”
@ Bro 93
Thanks for your comment above with its discussion of God and Love. This a critical matter in stopping war, requiring a careful discussion by inquiring minds and aspiring hearts.
Of course, this is an “Ego projection” on my part. What else could it be? Not a divine revelation certainly.
I do not view God as a “giant person” or “scapegoat.” I view him as a projection of patriarchy. Patriarchy claims he is a divine revelation to patriarchs.
I disavow the notion that we “screw ourselves silly 24/7.” You are misunderstanding what I have described quite often here as communal sex. Or you are using a reductio ad absurdum, ad hominem tactic.
You are perhaps unaware of contradictions like “God is IN humans, but is infinitely beyond humans.” Infinitely beyond is not in.
You equate “The All” with God. That is another contradiction. God cannot be both infinitely beyond and in at the same time. But contradictions do not bother true believers in God, or for that matter, believers in true love. Maybe you’re in love and don’t know it; like God himself.
The “9/11 ritual of immolating LOVE” has not yet “FAILED.” 9/11 was only the opening move that sacrificed a pawn. Look what evil it spawned which has hardly been checked. WWIII still looms over us as our doom.
“93 is Love.” I like that very much since I was born in “39” and my son in “93,” a downward and upward movement. My social security number begins with 393 and I grew up at 309 North 3rd Street.
“Stop complaining about God hating sex and get to work raising consciousness.” Are you telling me what I’ve “Gott” to do in a God-like manner? I am trying to raise consciousness by inviting God into the human realm. In this regard, orthodox Christianity lends support with its doctrine of the Incarnation, perhaps its central dogma overshadowing its presumptive “God.”
“Natural Law…is…the greatest gift.” Another apparent contradiction which also opposes Christianity which says that God gave us his greatest gift in Christ. Catholics and Orthodox have always been suspicious of natural law, which is understandable from a monotheistic, super-natural perspective.
The “Sexual act…is NOT sufficient…” Again, you are reducing sex arbitrarily and ignoring the holy and whole context which I have been careful to describe here. The sex act of physicality is a sign pointing to the holistic realm of sex which includes but is not limited to the physical sex act, as important as that act is in our human species survival and thrival.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It furthers the discussion. As you put it, this is only my very human projection or opinion.
I need to run so I can catch the trolley into town. Love, love and more love…
The ritual most certainly did fail, because more people are more woken up than shaken up, although that took considerable time, in a delayed reaction.
They no more wanted Flight 93 not to reach Building 7 than they wanted Trump to defeat Hillary.
3 buildings down but only two planes strike NYC? Larry Silverstein having to say “Pull it.” at 5:25 pm on Sept 11, 2001, and bring the unstruck building down? FAIL! Major fail.
Not that the evil intent was not fully manifest and operational before 911 and does not still persist. But a significant global awakening is a very real setback to their mind control dominance, nevertheless. The key to making it a fatal setback for the NWO occultocracy is to continue the awakening in oneself and in others, because this awakening now underway is not exactly deep in the millions that are perturbed, but, I fear, would like nothing better than to coast again (Love of Ease) if they felt they were safe in doing that.
I’m more in favor of going all the way and rooting this crap (pedophaelia, slavery, enormous violations of Natural Law by idiot order followers who do the bidding of the occultocracy so that the elites can escape the Kharma (“We didn’t do it! Jihadis did it! Podesta did it. Hillary did it! Hundreds of thousands of soldiers did it! Not US!!!) instead of not finishing the job.
Love is going all the way on tasks like this that affect the lives of billions of others, and not falling short, by thinking Love and feeling Love but not DOING Love. For, that is 2/3 only of Mind Spirit Body, Thought, Emotion, Action and 2/3 is expressed in decimals as .666 which is exactly what the occultocracy wants out of you and me: NO ACTION. To stand down, to let them act and “define reality”, as Karl Rove so arrogantly put it.
But, why to act now and not before, why did you the oldest not act to stop all this EVIL since taking place for ages? Yo have had much more time than younger generations and, for what it seems, you are long ago aware of all this by your contact with certain elites and centers of intelligence…I wonder if you believe you did what had to be done to stop all that/this EVIL at every step and every chance you had along your life….
I think it´s quite unfair to only complain now when all the AZ Empire is breaking apart and down inexorably, perhaps too late to save anything?
After seeing the astonishing insistence of some for the rest of us watching that sordid issue of “pizzagate” ( I have not had any satisfying meal since yesterday night, since one goes to bed tortured with the issue and then wake up and the issue is again there, please, a bit of mercy! ), I wonder if, being the level of morals so low, there is any possibility to rise it in any way…it seems more or less like trying bringing a dead to live again….
Your comment sounds anguished. You do what you can. The next day you try to do better.
If you are in a state of anguish, and can do nothing else, I would agree, get better! Because you can do very little in a state of anguish, except try to get better.
I’m not complaining about you. I don’t know you, except that you seem to know my age and know that I have been around several decades longer than you have.
Thanks for your comment. This Cafe started with Terenam 13
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and his link which I wanted to comment on earlier. Looks like you also watched the Ted Gunderson presentation. Yes, I have known about Mr Gunderson since the late 1980’s. The McMartin Case. The Franklin Cover-up, etc….
Once you get over your stomach being turned by bad pizza, and you have some rest, fresh air and beauty of nature or real classical culture to uplift you, you should be the stronger for what Mr Gunderson had to say, and perhaps other more current things that he has done ground work on exposing decades ago. How many more in these very flawed “alphabet” organizations have picked up on the issue, the problem of the rottenness of the elites after 911 and more recently with Podestas and so forth? I don’t know, but besides the disgusting jerks in there that just follow bad orders, it seems that more and more human beings, who know a thing or two about how to leak without being killed, are doing what they can.
I tried to do what I could, since the age of about 29. If you are anywhere near that young, you have a huge advantage, once you toughen up a little bit, if you are able to toughen up a little bit more and more as you age.
Never stop learning, and never stop helping others to learn. Then you will see progress, feel better, not lose sleep at night as I initially did in the late 70’s and ALSO have empathy for the freaked out ones that are just starting to wake up, and help them go a lot faster and further than you or I ever did.
We are all going to die. The main thing is to not let your mind or spirit die while your body is still going, and when the body finally does go, to be able to go with a smile on your lips with the thought: “Yes, I might have done more, but I did do my part, to the best of my ability, much, much more than most.”
Anyone who watches hours of TV every day (I watch NONE) is NOT able to honestly say any such thing. They are what the occultocracy calls The Dead, as in the dead asleep, the completely unconscious. Now that you know a bit about these evil bastards, don’t try to forget about what you know (because that probably won’t work, anyway……) but wake up more and more and more, and equip yourself for the Great Work of waking up others, and the Love will flow and heal you for more and more good, or even Great Work.
Fantastic time to be alive. This poison that turns your stomach has been there all along for many thousands of years. You have a very good chance of going out after major victories for humanity against it. Carpe Diem!!! https://youtu.be/vi0Lbjs5ECI
@ Anon
You have hit the nail on the head allright. The baby-boomer generation are the neoliberals and neocons of today driving the Globalist project and the planet to its doom. The “freedom” and change they clamoured for in the 1960s was a Freudian ego-trip to atomize humans and break down their social consciousness.
In their pursuit of “freedom” the flower-power beatniks immersed into a narcissistic journey of self discovery for immediate gratification through encounter groups and orgies for “deliverance” from social shackles and to find “authenticity” in debasement. No wonder the world they built is screwed!
Yes, but, the baby-boomers are also mainly the commenters in this blog for what I am aware, and, since they are so many, around the million, is why I can not explain myself that they have not stopped this before, even those who have counted with enough funding so as to get things done.
Instead, for what I have read and continue reading, their task have been to create an atmosphere of fear, distrust, despair and disgust which do no other thing than get the aim of the people to the lowest instead of elevating it, as they assure they try.
Obviously, pederasts and “satanic cults” have existed since ever, but are not so extended as some try the people to believe in order to create a climate of insecurity and paranoia so as to get the people into other “certain cults” or demanding the government more security, i.e. a policial state or….a far-right government.
Curiously, since they are still alive, the same actors spreading this “satanic conspiracies” from at least 40 years ago continue doing it today, conveniently used by certain people at the top to achieve their goals.
The criticism you made, I don’t take it on myself, I have spent more than half of my years in a communist/socialist country, my best of years. Never intended to thrown it away but reform it. Certain “liberties” which were allowed in the west, like drugs, pornography, sex clubs and so on, there war non-existent. We were much more naive in that sense. I had plenty of time to read, learn, work, and use my free time with friends, making sports, traveling the countryside with rucksack and sleeping in the tent in the free nature. Had nothing to fear that somebody would put a gun on my head to rob my goods. In the 50′-70′ the police officers on the streets had no guns at all with them. I was listening the Radio Free Europe and discussed it with my friends and at home in family by the way. This radio became more listeners only in the early 80′ when the economic situation became more unstable, due to things which came in from different causes, internal and external as I said earlier in such discussions. So, my generation in the former east, had different experiences.
@ Ioan
You were living in the Garden of Eden then, compared with the massive brainwashing that went on in the capitalist west, namely the drug scene and rampant commercialization. If you didn’t take drugs you were an oddball ridiculed and ostracized by your friends because you were “too straight”. It was like a competition to the bottom in the degrading scales. Mind you, yours truly did not escape untouched, but it was a very brief flirting with danger, a very isolated experiment soon rejected for its debasement of one’s humanity.
The seeds of the greedy 80s were planted by the same generation of baby-boomers when they “matured” into positions of influence in the political, corporate and financial fields when corporate raiders and asset strippers became stars and the unions bashed into insignificance with almost everyone cheering on.
As they progressed into political clowns and puppets, unhinged banksters and global corporate robber barons, some baby-boomers finally realised they had been taken for a sordid ride and are ashamed – some angry – for their naivety in believing that decades earlier they were changing the world. They did it, in a very perverse way.
Curiously, since they are still alive, the same actors spreading this “satanic conspiracies” from at least 40 years ago continue doing it today, conveniently used by certain people at the top to achieve their goals.
Hello Anon.
I don’t understand what you mean.
Are you saying elites used ‘Satanic conspiracies’ to obtain/maintain power?
Because this stuff is actually regularly dismissed by their media, and accusers painted as crackpots.
So I don’t see where you are coming from…
Well, I am coming just from researching a bit the person who has been brought to discussion by the commenter above, Ted Gunderson, whom I have never hear of, and after reading some articles, and the liaissons this man had with certain groups, made me take all this information with a grain of salt, since just found the usual connection with the same organization of always.
Perhaps you, as a psychologist ( from what I am aware ) could find of interest the following article:
Conspiracy Theories and Paranoia: Notes from a Mind-Control Conference
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/conspiracy_theories_and_paranoia_notes_from_a_mind-control_conference
So, I will resume where I have arrived, instead of where I come from: These crimes and aberrations exist? Of course. Must they be prosecuted, hardly punished and their networks neutralized at their roots? Of course too, and, I would add, intenselly and without rest. Are they so spreaded amongst the population? I doubt it, since these practices are mainly common amongst psychoapathic individuals who are anywhere between the 1-3% of the population, as has been scientifically estimated. That some people, cults, groups of power, political parties take advantage of spreading fear, distrust, anguish and despair amongst the population about hwatever issue and for whatever goals which haven nothing to do with the welfare of the population? Have it for sure.
Thanks Anon – see where you’ve ‘arrived.’
Generally agree, with one caveat – there is a general ‘cult of transgression’ that can’t be pigeon-holed as a specific ‘aberrations.’
Psychopaths may only comprise a small percentage of the general population, but they can generate widespread sociopathy if they achieve positions of influence/levers of power.
This is exactly what allowed fascism to succeed in the thirties, and how the eugenics movement became ‘respectablized.'(‘racial hygiene’ included all physically defective people as well as racially undesirable.)
We are now witnessing a ‘cult of transgression’ becoming normalized throughout Western culture – extremely violent pornography, baby body parts sold for profit, medieval butchery in the Middle East and so on. A general dehumanizing and, through the grotesque business of A.R.T., the reduction of women to the level of cattle ( the same breeding techniques used in cattle are used in ‘gestational surrogacy’).
Yet we all accept this as ‘normal’ because we have been incrementally habituated over three decades. So we can’t see it’s the Thirties all over again.
The key element has been the total collapse through media of the walls that separated adult imagery from the world of children, paving the way for their deliberate sexualization through ‘health’ and ‘education.’ That will ultimately normalize pedophilia, as is the intention of the – for lack of a better descriptor – priapic cult that is at the heart of reshaping human society.
A cult that was associated with the highest pinnacle of civilization according to its enthusiasts – Ancient Greece.
There are many vectors to this ‘Brave New World’ but that is at the heart of it.
I would not characterize it as a ‘conspiracy’ but as a long term agenda of the rulers of finance, who have always sought a sexually-exploitable underclass as well as continuing their line.
Here is a link to the Satanic Temple in the US which challenges the same claims as your linked article, albeit using different tactics:
http://www.vice.com/read/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple
I strongly recommend you read the comment from Derrick Cox – very long, but spot-on – about right comments down.
Ultimately, what’s hidden in plain sight is where we all need to look – not the shadows.
So I suspect we are in agreement in the essentials, if not necessarily the details.
Anonymous at 8:21 UTC , I guarantee you that you will be unable to come to a competent conclusion on a matter this murky in 2-3 days.
You can, however, come to a snap decision that is comforting to you, if that’s your primary goal.
I suggest that you consider whether or not Hillary Clintons actions as Secretary of State are consistent with the reports of the Podestas and Pizza-gate or not. And then gather further evidence for as long as that takes for you to be sure about your conclusion, rather than just “comfortable” about going about your former business.
I ran into people in the 1990’s that were flipped out about “black helicopters” all over the place in rather silly contexts. But that doesn’t mean that many thousands of children don’t disappear in this country or that the Podestas and Epstein are not serious sickos that need to be watched more closely, not less closely. These are the people, after all, that were trying to elect the candidate that virtually guaranteed war with Russia.
Can you point out from where in my post you take the conclusion that I am exculpating anybody, be it Hillary Clinton, Podesta or the mother of the lamb?
I left that for the authorities in charge, judges of the US judicial system, but, I am waiting that this will take special interest from the US president elect, who is the main responsible to bring in the culprits to court if there is a case in doing it.
But, have you read the article and the conclusion of the author at least? Because, there is nowhere in the analysis where anybody is exculpating anybody, but prevails the interest for the abused children and their families, sometimes exploted by people from certain cults, organizations and even government sectors with spurious interests, concretelly people who does not admit any challenge to their views and when this happens then that person who dares do it is labelled or an spy or part of the criminal gang, as is told was the experience of the specialist in that meeting.
It was you who brought that man to discussion, I decided to research a bit ( I have never said that I have concluded anything ), found an article who seemed to me was alleging interesting points and, asked by this commenter, Eimar, brought in here for his consideration, being her/him also a psyhcologist and also a person with whom one could discuss an issue in a civilized manner.
Also I would like to know what was my former business, according to you?
Actually Teranam 13 posted the Gunderson / Pizzagate link which does give hope.
You have to understand the vast inequality of resources at the disposal of the former employers of Gunderson, compared to his commitmentas a retired person to pursue matters which so bugged the hell out of him, that he was morally compelled to spend his own $ following up and digging deeper.
Same with DeCamp.
Clearly, the deep pockets have all kinds of ways of leaning on people or even killing them, if they are in serious danger of being exposed.
Under those circumstances, I would be a bit more cautious about siding with Goliath and turning a deaf ear to David.
Berlet is Drug Lobby ADL, by the way. AZ Empire through and through.
So I assume your business is not political intelligence, because if it were you would have to be considered a troll. People who make such mistakes because of not knowing certain things aren’t trolls until they do know them.
But I used the term “business” vaguely or generally, in the sense of trusting these sources of yours, because they certainly convey the idea that the kids are fine. Or of they aren’t fine, it is hopeless to try to do anything about it. And that is certainly a very convenient stance to take if one wants to sidestep the real fight. That’s all.
If this is at all true ( most of the article is one sided neglecting the facts of the Turkish coroner showing execution style close range shots to the heads on many of the Turkish victims.) it is not good. Sheik Imran predicts an Israeli attack on Syria soon with the Turks aiding and abetting.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/turkey-prosecutor-calls-to-drop-gaza-flotilla-case-against-israelis/
Dear Saker community,
The war on media, the Saker in particular and the public in general is on.
Here in Germany the English Saker appears censored in a perfidious way: since the last Sakers’ message about a hardware upgrade, the website contents was frozen such that all new messages and comments do not appear except the empty invitation pages to the café. Instead of the usual comment box, a login to register displays. First I thought that the hardware update went terribly wrong and that the Saker and his team locked themselves out of the server. However, after a few days passed without even a notification on this site or in the Saker community at large, I verified the site’s content using the Tor browser. Et voilà, everything fine except open censorship in Germany.
Hereby, I make people aware that signing up on the fake mirror site could lead to an uninvited search of your computer and/or your home.
If my interpretation is wrong, please notify me. By default, I will start a legal complaint against my provider and the German administration in a couple days. I am not going to accept a blatant violation of my freedom of reception of information.
In Berlin, at this moment, with the provider Telekom and its new all-IP-connection,
everything at the Saker’s and everywhere else is normally visible, as well using Linux as Windows, and it has been so for the last weeks. A BZ title page some days ago said that 900,000 Telekom clients were locked out of the Internet by a big hacker attack, which caught those using one type of router (perhaps the Telekom’s own product “Speedport“). However a while before that the Saker‘s site had been hit by something, and ever since then the arrangement of the rows of pictures on the Saker‘s start page varies at random – on my computer. There should be 4 pictures in a row (on a normal monitor with everything in normal size, well visible), but one day there are only 2 pictures to a row (everything else remaining as usual), or three with the fourth in a second row, and so on. Today is a 4 pictures to a row day. If the connection in your home is screwed up, compare with an internet cafe, or at least with other gear (computer vs. smartphone etc.). I don‘t think this is a problem of a fake Saker site, but with „cookies“ and things messing up your computer and especially your browser. Obviously you‘ll get problems with „them“, but for reading the real site, not their fake one – and in Germany the problems „they“ make come always with a long delay and around several corners, so that you‘ll never know why they stab you in the back – so they can and they do. I hope my info will cheer you up.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I just checked the site with two browsers and it is screwed up equally in both since November 28 noon. I am blocking cookies and scripts. Hence, it should be impossible that this “active” content is scrambling things. The only “news” are the invitations to empty cafés that show up with about 12 hours delay.
The site is defaced in a professional manner, directing any suspicion towards technical problems of the site’s server. I am looking for the cause and will report new findings.
A huge thanks for this real-time, facts-on-the-ground information. I have passed it on to our brilliant,tireless tech section. – fk mod
While I applaud your resolve not to give up, I‘d like to warn you that your approach might still be too lightweight. One computer and two browsers (on the same computer, I guess) are not enough (vide infra). The place where you live might matter (I imagine Berlin to be more dangerous to internet computers than a village in the Bavarian outback, but it may be the other way round of course). Your thought „I am blocking cookies and scripts. Hence, it should be impossible that this “active” content is scrambling things“ sounds plausible, but is not realistic, not at all.
For instance, lately I was abroad for some time, together with my significant other. After returning, my internet laptop (WLAN blocked in system setup, internet connection by cable plugged in only when necessary, operated with Linux on USB-stick) was fine, and worked normally on the first try. However my lady‘s internet tower (Windows XP) did not: when switched on it produced the usual sounds but the monitor said „No signal“ and remained black. It *is* difficult to diagnose a computer without a screen. I spent hours checking everything about cables, connectors video norms etc. This box has an Intel graphics chip on the mainboard and an extra video card – both used to work with that monitor, both did not now. The monitor was ok, worked with everything else. My computer knowledge is not sufficient for imagining at what point you can stop the video output of two independent video cards at once… but I understood that the mistake which had produced this was that we had forgot to unplug the Internet/LAN-cable, and *they* had misused this opportunity to mess up the basics of that computer, probably a chip on the mainboard. I had once lost a laptop this way and concluded that *your* control of internet access (the access to your computer through the internet) is the key of preserving its health, and introduced the rule to always unplug it before leaving… now this must only be remembered, even in a hurry before travelling.
As one stop gap measure I powered up a miserable mini notebook I bought a while ago for such occasions. It is a mutant of a „convertible“, labeled as such, but somehow crippled. Still, it works ok, with Win10 on it. However it did not now because before our travel the Telekom had changed the type of connection (to IP only), we got a new router (not from the Telekom) with new passwords, and I had to search for them. What I found was wrong and not accepted. So I searched deeper and in the end did find the correct pwd for our WLAN (no LAN port on the thing) and wanted to try again. This was not possible – because the laptop was *busy*. WHAT? One or two hours later my suspicion was confirmed: while I could not use our WLAN on this computer because of missing password, Microsoft could and did connect to this „unreachable, separated from the internet“ laptop and installed several of their dreaded „updates“.
Yes my friend, whether you switch your computer on or off, whether your software tells you, your computer is inaccessible or whether you tell your computer to „block cookies and scripts. Hence, it should be impossible…“ it is all eyewash and lies – they do what they want because they just want and they visibly can, period. Therefore I am assuming that their wrath is not against sites (at least not when everybody else can reach them), but against persons, and then more probably in their vicinity and not by farkling the server in Iceland. Still, who knows, absolutely everything seems always possible.
By the way, I tried to solve my lady‘s problem by finding a forgotten gem in the basement. What I found were three Siemens Flachmänner, killed by the internet before 2010, a very ugly and very slow tower by Compaq, which after 5 years of waiting started immediately as before (competent, ugly, slow); its internal watch had gained 5 min, with 1 min too fast per year. With disgust and respect I put it back into reserve and bought another internet tower, with Win10, of course (and thus no chance of deciding what will happen to it), much better than anything we had before – but under TBTB just another „walking dead“, a consumable under no one‘s control but *theirs*.
If you happen to do anything useful and unique with your computer (other than browsing the internet) I‘d propose to think about separating *your* work from *their* playground by using two computers: one for you (no newest hard- and/or software, no connection to the internet ever), and one for them with Linux on a stick if you want to keep it, or Win10 if you don‘t mind buying another one every now and then.
I wish you luck.
It was not the first time I restored my computer to an earlier full-drive sector-by-sector backup, though the first time I did on a computer running Bitlocker. Technical KO — bricked.
Lesson learned: Bitlocker users risk loss of their data if anything goes wrong. I had the keys for the restored partitions but was requested a disk key because Bitlocker judged the master boot record and/or its own partition did change. Hence, strict refusal to boot the computer. Okey dokey, I have other backups. Unfortunately, I won’t be able to perform a forensic analysis now.
Result: installed a different OS.
The experienced symptoms of defaced websites were reproducible on my computer only when connected at home, probably a side-effect of some non-trivial malware. As I am certain my OS ran natively (it passed the red-pill test), I am left to speculate about a targeted attack based on my computer’s signature.
PS: Good luck would have proven most useful. :-)
Well, I am really feeling empathy, and just overwhelming waves of agapic love for poor Anonymouse, who was once banned ((by his own admission, when asked why he couldn’t pick a more individual but still anonymous “handle”….) for his blatant Russophobia and Sino-phobia, and so came back under the cloak of darkness, where identity is harder to discern and posted one single link on inequality of incomes in Russia about 25 times in the last ten months, hoping to recruit other leftists to sitting out this effort to stop the Empire’s War on Russia in a fit of leftist impotence, rage, and bitterness.
Now he is feeling very lonely over there in the Emerald Isle corner of the Vineyard,
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and yikes!!!: Snakes are making a comeback here!
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I truly empathize with any human being having nightmares of compounding weirdness who can see no connection between “Shakespeare, Plato, Beethoven, and so on…..” and a dizzying array of places around the globe being referenced. I can see how this might be very jarring when one is searching for some familiar ego-identification to relate to, and their existence has been fairly insular on that Isle.
Interestingly, he debates another subject of the British Isles (that huge one, down under) and I have to agree that the popularity of the evil Monarch ruling those subjects is a real concern, in terms of the mind control thrall they must be under to have any warm feeling for that horrible “lady”.
I agree, we lost a talented Art Director from the NE corner of Spain. But I didn’t see any “harrassment” of her. The roughest thing I did in that regard was correct the silly notion that she expressed, that 3D printers might “print” real living individuals. This is not harassment. This is HELP in getting over backwardness and ignorance. Some will trash help out of spiteful, resentful egoism, but that is not the fault of the offeror of help.
The connection between “Shakespeare, Plato, Beethoven, and so on…..”???
All major figures in classical culture. All hated by Empires past and AZ Empire present.
I hope this helps soften your recovery from a bad night’s sleep! With care you will survive even more shocks to the evaporating illusion of the bogus left/right mind control game of the Empire which you have been captive of.
Freedom! Freiheit! La Libertad!
Not that scary once your eyes are opened. Embrace it! Cast your mind control chains aside!
https://youtu.be/aaDb0kNfics
Schiller and Verdi. Two more very good guys who belong in the same magnificent club as Plato, SHakespeare and Beethoven.
Bravo! Bravisimo!!!
Paul Craig Roberts made a good, relevant point to preface one of his latest articles:
“Before I give an explanation, let’s be sure we all know what an explanation is. An explanation is not a justification. The collapse of education in the US is so severe that many Americans, especially younger ones, cannot tell the difference between an explanation and a defense, justification, or apology for what they regard as a guilty person or party. If an explanation is not damning or sufficiently damning of what they want damned, the explanation is interpreted as an excuse for the object of their scorn. In America, reason and objective analysis have taken a backseat to emotion.”
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/12/02/trumps-appointments-paul-craig-roberts/
I think this confusion affects far more than just younger Americans and is pertinent to more than just Trump’s appointment choices. Sadly, no-one driven by the powerful grip of emotion is likely to take note of the fine distinctions of reason and analysis.
“Well, I am really feeling empathy, and just overwhelming waves of agapic love for poor Anonymouse, who was once banned (by his own admission, when asked why he couldn’t pick a more individual but still anonymous ‘handle’…) for his blatant Russophobia and Sino-phobia /…/ “
And so do I. Really, it testifies to a life of dreadful emptiness when all there is amounts to a web link with some aging ststistics in it, with which to build an entire Weltanschau. Posting aforesaid link 25 times at the same forum in the last 10 months vividly illustrates the well-known fact that misery loves company.
… and perspicacity needs recognition. I am grateful to Bro93 for unmasking this ubiquitous Anonymouse, and I totally agree: posting the same thing 25 times is wicked. I congratulate us all on Bro93’s stunning insider knowledge of who is posting what how often where – thanks for sharing! I certainly hope for more of these detailed and up to date statistics!
Very well done discussion of the coming “Massacre of Mosul” from South Front today. Now that Aleppo is winding down and the citizens picking up the pieces to rebuild and secure it, the world’s attention ( probably not the GCM -Global Corporate Media) turns to Mosul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3A7ocTCrCA
The same Sunni military men also had the experience of fighting in Falluja twice so that they will not give up Mosul easily–Plus they want it as the capitol of their Sunni-estan. The situation there is complicated to the max.
As for President Trump having to decide to “save” it military or not? Well, that is when the pedal hits the metal, push comes to shove etc. etc. and the “no intervention” Trump doctrine meets its first test with the neocon remnants ( Gen. Votel and the like) in the US military of Centcom midEast.
Stay tuned, more will be revealed.
Does somebody know what is going on in Ukraine with the rocketing in the near of Crimea (or above), now I really miss JJ.
The “rocketing” has been suspended, as I have read around there.
Here are some links with everything that happened:
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201612031048130444-ukraine-missile-drills-crimea-russia/
https://sputniknews.com/military/201612021048087439-ukraine-missile-drills-crimea/
Thanks for the links !
Spring 2017 : Greece will become actively crisis torn soon.
http://theduran.com/greece-politically-polarised-society-close-breakdown/
This may be “real” or it may be “staged” news, but the reporting of it is suspicious as it highlights the conclusion that internet, so-called “fake” news endangered a nice Muslim family ” from Maryland” with 3 children who was out eating pizza.
This story is just too convenient, too vague with details and too “pat”. It does not blame the upset man with the gun and it conflates the Podesta emails which were true with speculation on the internet about the Pizza place. It slyly calls questions about the place “fake news” meaning deliberately manufactured.
Also, something that is “untrue” is not necessarily “fake”–the former can merely be wrong or mistaken but the latter requires premeditation and intent. Maybe a case can be made for the site of so called “fake” news then becoming an accessory, say, to murder had the man killed someone in his crazed attempts to check out the story.
This rabbit hole is getting weirder and weirder. Expect more. I wonder if this story is not made up completely. It is the undermining of socially agreed upon reality which can be so crazy-making. Gas Lighting. No one trusts anyone and society turns paranoid upon itself.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/04/politics/gun-incident-fake-news/index.html?adkey=bn
Yes indeed, being or becoming paranoid is a very good way to catch the “1984” Orwellian train, as Dennis said (in other context) “we’re not yet there but we’re getting there” in fast steps.