http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67818
Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the French Republic Emmanuel Macron at the French side’s initiative.
In a follow-up to the talks during President Macron’s recent visit to Moscow and regular telephone conversations, the two leaders had an in-depth discussion of the developments around Ukraine as well as developments regarding long-term legal security guarantees for the Russian Federation.
Serious concerns were expressed due to the quickly deteriorating situation along the contact line in Donbass. The President of Russia noted that provocations from Ukrainian militants were the reason for the escalation. Attention was drawn to the modern weapons and ammunition being sent to Ukraine by NATO member countries, which is encouraging Kiev to pursue a military solution to the Donbass problem. As a result, civilians in the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics are suffering and being forced to leave for Russia to save themselves from intensifying attacks.
It was emphasised once again that Kiev is only imitating a negotiating process and continuous to refuse to implement the Minsk agreements, as well as the agreements reached as part of the Normandy format. Considering the current state of affairs, the two presidents found it expedient to step up the search for a diplomatic solution between the foreign ministers and political advisors to the leaders of the Normandy format countries. These meetings are to help restore the ceasefire and ensure progress in settling the conflict around Donbass.
Considering the above factors, Vladimir Putin once again emphasised the need for the US and NATO to take Russia’s demands to ensure its security guarantees as seriously as possible and to respond specifically and to the point.
The two leaders agreed to maintain contact at various levels.
Macron is a joke, he has zero power. French deep state is controlled by CIA neocon asset le drian in quai d’orsay.
Even Macron said it in the media. What is he waiting to fire him?
https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2020/09/ENDEWELD/62194
He just wants to ‘win ‘ time for Nato to send more weapons etc…
Accepting, for discussion’s sake, the assertions in your first sentence, is it possible that something somewhat more obscure is going on? The U.S. cannot afford politically to readily negotiate with Russia on Russia’s terms. To accomplish the objectives of negotiating without negotiating openly, is it possible the American administration is using the French president, seemingly acting independent of U.S. direction, as a vehicle for the U.S. government to ride on to secure, invisibly as it were, a non-military solution?
Kevin Szatmary,
That is a very good observation. USA lets Macron take the lead. After all, NATO is primarily set up for the
defence of Europe. This gives USA an off-ramp politically, while still puffing up their chest of being
“exceptional” etc….. it was the Europeans fault!
Putin gets his security guarantee along with the ex-USSR near neighbours of Russia.
A good deal for everyone with no war.
Macron looks good. Scholtz gets his NS2 pipeline. Putin happy. Neocons have to regroup and think again.
“…American administration is using the French president..”
It doesnt have to be “American administration”. US are witch’s cauldron of powerfull interests. During good times they acted unisonly. Now, when US is in full spectrum decline, unity is broken.
Macron is representative of one of those groups. He easily may do this for money, not in interest of France, or EU.
It is safe to say that no-one can pinpoint their goals, let alone outcome. (Dis)Information noise is just too high. Nevertheless, this is position that suits Russia perfectly. “Cмутное время”, right? But this time, in the Western hemisphere. Karma is a bitch.
This is Putin’s strong game. To play “partners” one against other. It is possible that the most militant western faction(s) start war in hope the others will (reluctantly) follow. But that would be suicidal, as chances of being betrayed are much greater. Especially against Russia and China in harmony.
This is not good time for analysts. At least till fat transgender sings.
It is time to have faith and pray.
From reading the completely different accounts in the European news from the french … this was apparently another conversation with a deaf person.
I do love the way that each of these showboating attempts by a ‘western leader’ are really escalations. Look at the way this was led up to …. the ‘western’ corporate media talking about a ‘last ditch chance to avoid war’. So, even when a ‘leader’ showboats and holds some fake talks where they do not listen, this is presented to the people of the west as another step of escalation.
We’ve seen a whole series of these. Talks, which can go nowhere, since the ‘leaders’ refuse to listen, but only are intent on ‘delivering a message’, and the talks themselves are used to escalate the crisis in the fake news of the corporate, capitalist west.
The World does not have a Partner for Peace.
I would not want to be in a NATO command center, anywhere. Shoygu has a plan…
To an outsider this looks like just another Western stalling tactic. Every time it appears that Russia/Donbas is about to get the upper hand suddenly the “West” wants to negotiate.
The evacuation of Donbas residents to Russia signaled just how serious Russia and Donbas militaries are. A real assault was about to be started on the Ukronazis to put them down for once and all
This is just when the “West” acts to again forestall and delay the inevitable. Now they want to negotiate and drag things out further without really addressing Russian security concerns.
Not falling for this bullshit anymore. All these people are just jerking around the global population with fear.
Peace is always better than war. Except when each delay of confrontation leads up to a final massive conflagration which destroys everyone.
Macron is a jackass and Putin has to stop accommodating these fools.
Be cautious here. The readout presents a different reality than RT and the French readouts.
It may have been that there were further things said after the call – I just see a disconnect.
Can you elaborate on this amarynth? You offered the appetizer now lets see the meal.
Its not very hard Rancher … Just read this RT article. (I’ve also watched them change their headline probably 3 or 4 times this morning). https://www.rt.com/russia/550045-putin-macron-call-ukraine/
Russia and France will organize a meeting in the coming hours with the aim of reaching a ceasefire, Paris has revealed
Compare with the readout from Russia …
– organize a meeting (there is nothing like that, but meetings will be organized), rather, the readout states
the two presidents found it expedient to step up the search for a diplomatic solution between the foreign ministers and political advisors to the leaders of the Normandy format countries. These meetings are to help restore the ceasefire and ensure progress in settling the conflict around Donbass.
Paris has revealed – well, that ain’t Russia …
And then Putin dialed the pain dial: Considering the above factors, Vladimir Putin once again emphasised the need for the US and NATO to take Russia’s demands to ensure its security guarantees as seriously as possible and to respond specifically and to the point.
The only real thing that this readout says, is: The two leaders agreed to maintain contact at various levels.
Way I see it, given the continual changing of headlines .. RT took the French info and they’ve been walking it back ever since.
At this point the Talk’s are a waste of time these are delay tactics. The US dollar is why the West is able to do what its doing ,Russia , China and Iran now should go to the Gold standard for Trade, and latter OPEC will join in this would take down Europe ,USA and change the balance of power..
TOM 123
The telephone conversation was initiated by Macron. As I have written before, Europe has experienced two world wars and there is no mood for World War Three, regardless of the fact if Russians are loved or hated.
What is irritating here is the fact that the US is on the other side of the Atlantic and is dictating what Europe should do, namely back a potential conventional war against Russia and terminate all trade by accepting the implementation of new sanctions against Moscow. This would de facto place Europe under Wall Street control, reducing Europe to an American colony.
Washington is playing a dangerous game, risking the disintegration of NATO and it’s civilian component, known as the EU. In fact some analysts are expecting a rift between European and American elites which, I think, will be inevitable in the end. After sanctions were first introduced in 2014, Europe lost, by the second half of 2016, 100 billion euros in trade. It is not prepared to lose even more money, certainly not by paying double for US gas.
This phone call between Putin and Macron is presented as a last ditch effort to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine. It definitely feeds the narrative that Russia is about to invade Ukraine. No one is saying that this phone call is about addressing Russia’s security demands. Big mistake by Putin to allow the West to to control the narrative in this way.
Nothing can shut up CNN and Western Shills off their narrative.
Russian didn’t invade… So they just moved the date. Nothing but letting them yell into an empty chamber will work. That involves having people smart enough not to listen to them. I know, it’s awful.
I wonder how you might correct this mistake as you call it.
By using western MSM ?
By using a semi competent RT?
Or perhaps this ” last ditch effort” is your smoke screen put forward by the very media that you expect President Putin to somehow manipulate?
Is there something that you do not understand about who controls this process?
Agree Anton.
Western media gaslighting an inverting the facts as has been the situation since 2001 at least.
Putin will find that what Macron tells him will be unreliable.
Trump found the same thing.
The results will be Germany Industrial prowess will be shifted to Russia and Germany will become like Romania or Bulgaria.
“US is on the other side of the Atlantic and is [1] dictating what Europe should do, namely [2] back a potential conventional war against Russia and [3] terminate all trade”
I largely agree, especially [1 and 3] but I think USUK knows they no longer have current or medium term capability for [2]. Russia’s conventional military lead is just too overwhelming. Deindustrialization and bankruptcy does not permit a foreseeable turnaround and remobilization, not to mention lack of popular support.
So this Ukraine issue is largely a narrative war, with the Infowar amped up to 95%, and if possible pushing Ukies to a suicide charge or a dirty FF. If the latter is not possible, it will not be hard to invent a fake “incursion” when you control the media, OSCE and most international bodies..
All are piqued at Europe’s response.
Europe is in a dying agony, which even the most abject comprador EU globalist elite cannot still. This may be one explanation for current shuttle diplomacy – the traitors are merely distracting their own until the lights go off, and the euthanasia takes full hold.. a false show of concern. Another explanation is that there are consequential secret negotiations being made over the heads of USUK.. The possibility of the latter is sumptuous; “It’s not possible! .. No, it’s necessary.”
Emmanuel Macron is trying to masquerade as a peacenik.
What a joke.
This is the same Macron that is guilty of launching French neo-colonial wars from Central/West Asia to Africa like in Mali, where French stormtroopers were recently driven out of the country after a 9-year long “War on Terrorism” and supplanted by the Russian mercenary outfit, the Wagner Group–much to France’s impotent anger.
So the question is: What’s France’s real game?
It certainly is not “concern for peace.”
UK & USA want sanctions and war.
France & Germany prefer still doing business with Russia and they probably will try to push Ukrainie into new Minsk agreement.
I don’t why Macron is called jackass and Putin is condemed for resorting to diplomacy. The only jackasses here are Biden and Boris Johnson – warmongering duo.
Yes, BoJo is the silent snake in the grass in all this – lying low and probably directing most of this carnage.
Most people in UK would like to hang him – its time the UK Parliament removes him before its too late.
He will remembered as the worst PM in UK history.
And now Mutti’s saying: If you don’t want to hear, you have to feel.
I do not trust Macron at all, knowing what he did to his own people (yellow vests), and how he’s used to lie. He might understand the present danger but has to obey orders given to him. He’s one of the many “leaders” having no children and thus without an interest to defend the future as normal parents do.
From here, in France: all the media since some days are talking about:
-Donbas people started the deadly “provocations”
-All the reporters talk with friendly Ukrainians on the border with “the separatists”: they do not like them, they are thugs, are terrorized by the indiscriminate shooting.
-Antenne 2 (official state tv) showed again a few minutes ago how patriotic civilians learned
how to shoot, aided by brave Georgian, USA and French volunteers, ever more are coming to defend the freedom against the tyrant Putin.
-They show the actions of Putin and explain he intends to Put Russia again on the map as a powerful country, nobody knows what happens in his mind, but they give zero information
about the rightful security concerns of Russia (some say its laughable), even if they show his demands: not one iota of background information.
When I look towards other information sources in Europe, Belgian, Dutch (who started delivering lethal weapons, like sniper equipment!) or German: they all write the same story:
Don-bass Russians bad, Putin staging a false flag, Bellingcat (seen as a serious source) proving that the “evacuation of civilians” was staged and filmed before the bomb attack on Donetsk!
I see more and more comments from people starting to believe all this nonsense.
Germany has less than 5 % gas left in storage now (Gazprom report).
There are many perspectives to this debacle. However the bottom line remains. US/EU Financial symbiosis is sealed. Its intertwined on all levels, accounts, deal-making, shareholders, distribution, etc. NS2 is a part of it but not the main concern for the US in it as itself. More money can be made during and post war. Hell they made a killing in Iraq & Syria, and when party-pooper Russia intervened they outdid themselves with Covid (I mean the business end of it a la Amazon, Pfizer, etc). So there will always be ways for the global elite to capitalize off of pain, suffering and chaos…”ordo an chao”…so no. The bottom line is ideology. They have and will continue to do this if the status cuo remains the same, for US, for EU, for NATO, for the pliant vassals. Then here comes Russia and China. Implementing the seeds that got Gaddafi “done in”. Only they can withstand the much needed reconfiguration. Muscle + Money respectively and of course a whole lot more (education, industry, population) aaand a more welcoming and accepted counter ideology. Russia&Chinese existence offers a gleamer of hope yeah but its a sure death to the western pseudo democracy and this can’t stand. Macron, Scholtz, and all the other gremlins shuttling to the Kremlin is not for EU vs US survival. Shit Shwaub and his acolytes are working a new great deal and Macron is a staunch supporter of the EU project. So they are all in the same boat. My take is Ukraine as the modern Austria-Hungary is the trigger theatre and Putin, an excellent scholar of history, is well aware of the intrigues. They are all in concerted effort, everyone playing their part, stepping on each others toes, but the bottom line for them is Russia has to be taken down. I sure would like to know what they are actually secretly negotiating behind secret doors, I bet they are spinning magnificent yarns in front of VVP and he is not making it any easier. I hope Russia remains steadfast. Everyone can sense the house of cards about to fall, and the whole world will be better off for it.
Funny how, removed. Mod. regardless of the fact France is one of a few countries that has shown any guts to contravene US hegemony around the World, like when Jacques Chirac decried Iraq WMDs and France had to suffer a calamity of insults, type “phoque the french’ or ‘cheese eating surrender monkeys’ etc, The truth is ‘n’en deplaise aux detracteurs’ France History, bar a few mishaps, is truly Glorious and certainly worth at most a kind of respect… Please leave out your sarcasms and Think… Macron may not be a great leader and also perhaps a Rothschild’s puppet, but who isn’t nowadays in the West, and maybe he has a lot to learn to be taken seriously, but he is aware of what France has always been in European History, and beyond, a shining light of Freedom (revolutions) and ‘une terre d’asile’ for many people, you only have to look at the diversity in present France to realize that, and it is quite strange to hear about their Colonial past from English speaking people, but I digress… France has a role to play in the affairs of the World today, Putin would certainly know that creating a wedge between Europe and the U$A is the only card that could prevent a nasty war in Europe and perhaps in other spheres of influences on the chessboard of international relations. How about giving ‘Peace a chance’ !
Putin has all ace cards, but folded to the U.S. and its vassals and still wanted to fit into the Western Club that does not want Russia in it. What a loser! No guts, no glory.
Russia and Putin should realize the reality is doing dialogue with France under Macron is akin to Stalin trying the same with Vichy France from 1940. Doomed to fail.
The parallel is somewhat astounding but an even worse situation given the levels of complicity by Macron with his EU masters.
What France requires Free French Forces to liberate it as De Gaulle did.
Perhaps Foreign Legionaires will be its saving ?
Le Pen – Viva la France !!!
Of course also Macron’s a desperate man – has to go to an election in April and will be destroyed by Le Pen.
Something for Russia to factor in to this.
Given France is the topic here, I would also share my thoughts over the past weekend when I was thinking as to what the people in France & EU should do with these devils provoking war and lockdown misery.
The conclusion I came to is France should reactivate Devils Island off the coast off French Guiyana (South America) and they should be sent down there to do hard labor the term of the lives. And give them a flogging if they don’t do their work quota.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Island
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPpWkR8eqHY
Its certainly the appropriate minimum punishment for Macron and his associates.