It doesn’t appear to be a joke. The above is from Vatican News. Unfortunately, I don’t speak Catholic, so I couldn’t really translate the meanings of this into plain English.
There is another link (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-03/pope-invites-bishops-to-join-him-in-consecration-of-russia.html) that goes even further. It says, “The Consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary will be pronounced by the Pope on the afternoon of Friday 25 March in St Peter’s Basilica. The act of consecration will be performed in communion with the local Churches throughout the world.” This statement just quoted enunciates a consecration in accordance with the mandates of Fatima.
If you search for something looser at http://www.vatican.va, you find the following statement by Pope Francis, on March 20: “I invite every community and all the faithful to unite with me on Friday 25 March, the Solemnity of the Annunciation, for the Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that she, the Queen of Peace, may help us obtain peace.”
What the Pope says at http://www.vatican.va is materially different from what he says at http://www.vaticannews.va and press.vatican.va. To consecrate “humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine” is not a consecration according to the mandates of Fatima. The whole statement describes a prayer for peace, not a valid consecration. It also makes no specific mention of all the bishops joining him in it. Are all the bishops going to join him or not? (He can order them to join him.) To satisfy the mandates of Fatima, the bishops have to join him. It is only five days away and I see nothing at various websites of the local church here about any priest or bishop joining him locally.
Any number of Catholic churches in the United States (and no doubt worldwide) have made pro-Ukrainian statements recently, in response to all the propaganda by the government. The minutiae discussed here regarding the act of consecration may sound like so much triviality, but to perform a consecration in accordance with the mandates of Fatima is fundamentally a call for unity with the Russian Orthodox Church, so it fundamentally is a pro-Russian statement. A call for peace with all sorts of sympathy for the Ukraine is a pro-Ukrainian statement. These are not the same thing as each other. To fall short of the mandates of Fatima deliberately, at this particular time, is essentially a pro-Ukrainian stance. Pope Francis is striking two stances, and they are not the same as each other.
And that number is exactly six hundred and sixty-six
So it is not correct to address the false pope indicating him as Pope. There is only one living pope … The other he is evidently an antipope
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O senhor falou com ódio, entonces não dá pra acreditar em sua análise. Eu não sou católico, detesto a hierarquia das igrejas, mas não concordo com preconceitos e um tipo de racismo em relação aos sul-americanos, tendo Bertoglio como exemplo.
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You spoke with hatred, so you can’t believe your analysis. I am not Catholic, I hate the hierarchy of churches, but I don’t agree with prejudices and a kind of racism towards South Americans, with Bertoglio as an example.
I sincerely don’t expect any honest orthodox faithful to understand this subject, but as a catholic I can say that if this Consecration is not done in union with the worlds Episcopate it will be INVALID as the previous tree one’s (they didn’t mention ‘Russia’ and the first by Pope Pius XII mentioned it but omitted the Bishops of the World.
Now, I’m not interested in arguments here. I would sincerely ask anyone that really has a deep Love for Mary mother of Jesus and Theotokos to read a good biographical history of the Fatima events in Portugal, 1917 the year of the Revolution in Russia (not catholic books or spiritual, etc… just the facts and testimonies). Than make up your judgment.
God Bless!
“Sacrilegious acts”, 100 scholars against Pope Francis
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“We, the undersigned Catholic clerics, scholars and intellectuals, protest and condemn the sacrilegious and superstitious acts committed by Pope Francis, the Successor of Peter, during the recent Synod on the Amazon held in Rome”. Thus began the document, written in seven languages and signed by a hundred scholars, religious and lay people – including the moralist John McCarthy, the theologian Brian Harrison, the historian Roberto De Mattei, the jurist Paolo Pasqualucci, the medievalist Claudio Pierantoni, the patrologist John Rist, the philosopher Josef Seifert, the historian Henry Sire, Princess Glorias Thurn und Taxis and John Henry Westen, founder of the LifeSiteNews site – Catholic ‘extremists’, for whom the Pontiff was guilty of “grave sins” and also whoever follows him inside the Church risks “eternal damnation”.
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In the document, defined as a “protest”, the signatories – who cite in support of their theses, among others, Cardinals Wlater Brandmueller, Gerhard Mueller, Raymond Burke, Jorge Urosa Savino, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò and bishops Athanasius Schneider, José Luis Azcona Hermoso, Rudolf Voderholzer and Marian Eleganti – in particular six “sacrilegious acts” are listed, all linked to what they define as “the idolatrous worship of the pagan goddess Pachamama”, the statuette that unknown persons stole during the Synod on the Amazon from the church of Santa Maria in Traspontina a stone’s throw from the basilica of San Pietro in the Vatican and thrown into the river Tiber.
“On October 4 – they write – Pope Francis participated in an act of idolatrous adoration of the pagan goddess Pachamama. He allowed this cult to take place in the Vatican Gardens, thus profaning the proximity of the tombs of the martyrs and the church of the Apostle Peter. participated in this act of idolatrous adoration by blessing a wooden image of the Pachamama “.
The document continues in its accusations against Jorge Mario Bergoglio: “On 7 October, the Pachamama idol was placed in front of the main altar of St. Peter and then carried in procession to the Synod Hall. Pope Francis recited prayers during a ceremony that involved this image and then joined this procession. When the wooden images of this pagan deity were removed from the church of Santa Maria in Traspontina, where they had been sacrilegiously placed, and thrown into the Tiber by some outraged Catholics this desecration of the church, Pope Francis, on October 25, apologized for their removal and a new wooden image of the Pachamama was returned to the church. Thus a further desecration began. ”
And again: “On October 27, in the concluding Mass of the Synod, he received a bowl used in the idolatrous cult of the Pachamama and placed it on the altar. Pope Francis himself confirmed that these wooden images are pagan idols. In his apology for removing these idols from a Catholic church, he specifically named them Pachamama, the name of a false goddess of mother earth according to a pagan religious belief in South America. ”
The signatories recall that “various characteristics of these ceremonies have been condemned as idolatrous or sacrilegious by Cardinal Walter Brandmueller, Cardinal Gerhard Mueller, Cardinal Jorge Urosa Savino, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Bishop José Luis Azcona Hermoso, by Bishop Rudolf Voderholzer and by Bishop Marian Eleganti. Finally, Cardinal Raymond Burke also gave the same interpretation in an interview “.
Not only the action of “idolatry of the pagan goddess Pachamama”: in the indictment. The hundred signatories of the anti-Bergoglio document also insert the signature and interpretation of the ‘Document on Human Fraternity’ that the Pontiff signed on 4 February with the Grand Imam of the Al-Azhar mosque, considered the highest Islamic theological authority.
“This statement stated that ‘the pluralism and diversity of religions, color, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings. This divine wisdom is the source from which the right to freedom of belief and the freedom to be different. ‘Pope Francis’ involvement in idolatrous ceremonies indicates that he intended to give this statement a heterodox meaning, which allows pagan worship of idols to be considered a good willed by God in the sense positive”. But, the signatories of the anti-Pope Francis document underline, “the authorization to worship anyone or anything other than the one true God, the Holy Trinity, is a violation of the First Commandment
I know the events, including the unseen side of the matter.
1. What happened then, addressed the Roman Catholic Church, PRIOR to Vatican II.
2. It was disobeyed. In fact, Vatican II was the tombstone of this, and other matters. The end.
3. Admission to homosexual “priests” – really? This was also part of the tombstone.
4. As if all these evils weren’t enough, Bergoglio is not even the Pope. Besides, he’s spiritually invalid in the first place. Of course Pope Benedict XVI has no part in such incredibly foolish act.
5. This matter was finished long ago, and now it is meaningless to even mention it. Over and out.
Jorge, from the Orthodox perspective, visions of Mary, Jesus and other saints aren’t actually important things that can or should influence the Church. Most of the time we look on such things with intense suspicion, since they could have been inspired by something demonic. Our focus is holding firmly to the Christian Faith of the Apostles and Church Fathers, and trying to repent of our sins.
Prelest or spiritual delusion/hubris.
This is an important insight, one that confirmed my own spiritual intuition and reconfirmed to me that in this Orthodoxy is closer to the truth than Catholicism. With much respect and love to all Catholics, Orthodox, mere Christians, and those looking for truth on this site.
Whatever he does on the outside, spiritually, Francis is only consecrating Russia to pachamama….
Fátima é um embuste criado por um padre meio salazarista de leiria. Aliás “fátima” foi contestado no início pela burocracia católica ate´se convencer dos benefícos políticos e financeiros que podiam advir do “fenómeno” religioso. Há livros que relatam o desenvolver de “fátima” e descontroiem o caso ( padre Mário, por exemplo ).
Na realidade “fátima” acabou por alinhar-se ao que de mais retrógrado e ignorante havia no país, ao ponto de salazar e os seus bispos verem com bons olhos os rituais que passaram a render fortunas aos cofres da igreja e serviu de escape ao fascismo que acabou com a tragédia da guerra colonial. Hoje “fátima” acualizou-se como uma grande superficie religiosa católica. Uma especie de “pingo doce” da fé, com milagres em cartão.
This consecration event looks bizarre and is confusing to me.
Could someone explain in simple, plain language, what is the meaning of consecrating both Russia and the ukro-nazi, sorry Ukraine, to the Immaculate Hearth of Mary?
When is it normally done, why would the pope do this, and what is the intended outcome?
the Fatima topic is very complex, I will try to summarize it.
However, it is essential to make a premise:
from the Christian point of view, Jesus founded the Church, which therefore belongs to Christ and is unique and indivisible.
before ascending to heaven, after being resurrected, he sent the eleven apostles and disciples to preach the gospel (the good news) to the Jewish people and to all peoples.
In the book of the acts of the apostles the first works of evangelization by the apostles (the shepherds of the flock) and the disciples are described. During their evangelization pilgrimage the apostles founded churches (eg Laodicea, Smyrna, etc.).
It is important, however, to remember that Jesus on several occasions had reiterated to the Apostles that the Father had entrusted the sheep to him, and the apostles had the sole task of looking after the flock …. but the owner of the flock is Jesus himself.
This whole premise to demonstrate that the Church founded by Jesus is one, it is one.
Jesus had entrusted to one of the apostles, Peter, the task of “confirming the brothers in the faith”, so that, after his ascent to heaven, there was an element of gathering and connecting between the many Churches that would arise (Laodicea, Smyrna, etc.).
In the history of the Church, however, some schisms have occurred, the largest between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.
Thanks be to God, the Orthodox Church has preserved the faith that was left to us as a gift by Jesus.
In this last period, which many see as an apocalyptic time, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, in which I am baptized, has deeply moved away from the faith that Jesus had asked us to keep, to the point of forcing the Holy Father Benedict XVI to declare that he is prevented from carrying out his apostolic ministry. The Catholic hierarchy then proceeded to elect an antipope, who has carried out countless apostate acts.
Having said that, let’s go back to Fatima.
Only recently did I understand the profound meaning of the message of Fatima, in which the Mother of God asked to publicly bless Russia so that the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church return to being that one Church founded by Jesus.
The Orthodox Church, which has kept the message of Jesus unaltered, will have to restore the entire Catholic Christian people to the faith.
Among those who declare themselves Catholics at this time there is now only a “small remnant” faithful to the tradition that has been handed down to us by the apostles … Most of those who declare themselves Catholics are, by now, followers of a new different (in the sense of no longer Christian) religion, just as the Pharisees at the time of Jesus no longer followed the religion of Abraham and Moses (remember that Jesus calls the Pharisees “sons of Satan”).
Before ending this short post I would like to recall a question that Jesus asked the apostles: will there still be faith on earth when I return?
May God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, Trinity One God, bless us and send his Holy Angels to drive back the Demons and evil men into the abyss of the underworld … because the battle is not between blood and flesh, but between principalities and powers, between angels and demons.
PS: If Orthodox Christians wanted to understand the meaning of the message of Fatima, the starting point could be the prayer of the Holy Father Leo XIII of which I report a part that is linked to the prophecy of Fatima (which is a prophecy that heralds the great apostasy of Catholic church)
Leo XIII:
“And this evil dragon, in men depraved in mind and corrupt in heart, transfuses the poison of his iniquity like a pestiferous river: his spirit of lies, of impiety and blasphemy, his deadly breath of lust and every vice and iniquity.
And the Church, Bride of the Immaculate Lamb, has been filled with bitterness and watered with gall by very cunning enemies; they have put their impious hands on all that is most sacred; and where the See of the Most Blessed Peter and the Chair of Truth were established, they placed the throne of their abomination and impiety, so that struck the shepherd, the flock can be dispersed.
l’argomento Fatima è molto complesso, cercherò di sintetizzarlo.
È fondamentale tuttavia fare una premessa:
dal punto di vista cristiano Gesù ha fondato la Chiesa, che quindi È di Cristo ed è unica e indivisibile.
prima di salire al cielo, dopo essere risorto, ha inviato gli undici apostoli e i discepoli a predicare il vangelo (la buona novella) al popolo ebreo e a tutti i popoli.
Nel libro degli atti degli apostoli sono descritte le prime opere di evangelizzazione ad opera degli apostoli (i pastori del gregge) e dei discepoli. Nel corso del loro pellegrinaggio di evangelizzazione gli apostoli hanno fondato delle Chiese (es Laodicea, Smirne, ecc.).
È importante tuttavia ricordare che Gesù in più occasioni aveva ribadito agli Apostoli che il Padre aveva affidato a Lui le pecore, e gli apostoli avevano il solo compito di custodire il gregge…. ma il padrone del gregge è Gesù stesso.
Tutta questa premessa per dimostrare che la Chiesa fondata da Gesù è unica, è una sola.
Gesù aveva affidato ad uno degli apostoli, Pietro, il compito di “confermare i fratelli nella fede”, in modo che, dopo la sua salita al cielo vi fosse un elemento di raccolta e di raccordo tra le tante Chiese che sarebbero sorte (Laodicea, Smirne, ecc.).
Nella storia della Chiesa tuttavia si sono verificati alcuni scismi, il più grande tra la chiesa cattolica e la chiesa ortodossa.
Grazie a Dio la Chiesa ortodossa ha custodito la fede che ci è stata lasciata in dono da Gesù.
In questo ultimo tempo, che in tanti vediamo come un tempo apocalittico, la gerarchia della Chiesa cattolica, nella quale sono battezzato, si è profondamente allontanata dalla fede che Gesù ci aveva chiesto di custodire, fino al punto da costringere il Santo Padre Benedetto XVI a dichiarare di essere impedito a svolgere il suo ministero apostolico. La gerarchia cattolica ha quindi provveduto ad eleggere un antipapa, che ha compiuto innumerevoli atti apostati.
Detto questo torniamo a Fatima.
Solo di recente ho compreso il senso profondo del messaggio di Fatima, nel quale la Madre di Dio ha chiesto di di benedire pubblicamente la Russia affinché la Chiesa ortodossa e la chiesa cattolica tornino ad essere quell’unica Chiesa fondata da Gesù.
La Chiesa ortodossa, che ha mantenuto inalterato il messaggio di Gesù, dovrà riportare l’intero Popolo cristiano cattolico alla fede.
Tra coloro che si dichiarano cattolici in questo tempo è rimasto ormai solo un “piccolo resto” fedele alla tradizione che ci è stata tramandata dagli apostoli… La maggior parte di coloro che si dichiarano cattolici sono invece, ormai, seguaci di una nuova diversa (nel senso di non più cristiana) religione, così come i farisei al tempo di Gesù non seguivano ormai più la religione di Abramo e di Mosè (ricordo che Gesù chiama i farisei “figli di Satana”).
Prima di terminare questa breve post vorrei ricordare una domanda che fece Gesù agli apostoli: al mio ritorno ci sarà ancora la fede sulla terra?
Che Dio Padre, Dio Figlio, Dio Spirito Santo, Trinità Unico Dio, ci benedica e mandi i suo Santi Angeli affinché ricaccino i Demoni e gli uomini malvagi negli abissi degli inferi… perché la battaglia non è tra sangue e carne, ma tra principati e potestà, tra Angeli e demoni.
PS: Se i cristiani ortodossi volessero comprendere il significato del messaggio di Fatima il punto di partenza può essere la preghiera del Santo Padre Leone XIII di cui riporto una parte che si ricollega alla profezia di Fatima (che è una profezia che preannuncia la grande apostasia della Chiesa cattolica)
Leone XIII:
“E questo drago malefico, negli uomini depravati nella mente e corrotti nel cuore, trasfonde come un fiume pestifero il veleno della sua nequizia: il suo spirito di menzogna, di empietà e di blasfemia, il suo alito mortifero di lussuria e di ogni vizio e iniquità.
E la Chiesa, Sposa dell’Agnello Immacolato, da molto astuti nemici è stata riempita di amarezza e abbeverata di fiele; essi hanno messo le loro empie mani su tutto ciò che c’è di più sacro; e lì dove fu istituita la Sede del beatissimo Pietro e la Cattedra della Verità, hanno posto il trono della loro abominazione ed empietà, così che colpito il pastore, il gregge possa essere disperso.
During the series of apparitions of Our Lady to the three little shepherd children in Fatima, Portugal, which happened over a number of months, she made a bunch of requests to the children.
One request was for the Pope to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart.
According to what Our Lady told the children, until this is done (and done properly – there are details which can’t be omitted) then the world is at grave and increasing risk of destruction.
While you have the facility of the World Wide Web available to you (and that’s no longer guaranteed given the Globalist mischief) you might care to delve into the whole subject of the apparitions at Fatima.
FWIW, the town of Fatima – where Our Lady chose to visit those shepherd children – was named in honour of one of Mohammed’s daughters. I’m not Muslim, but that seems like a clue that the Muslims are not the enemy.
This (beside various “apparitions”) is a tried and tested trick in the Vatican’s arsenal and means only one thing – it is a signal, a trigger for the Vatican’s Western stooges to commence a holy war against Russia under the guise of a slimy “concern”. In 1953, at the height of the Cold war a statue of Mary travelled from Rome and was placed in the US Embassy in Moscow. Many, many other examples – Fatima in 1917 (fall of the Russian Orthodox Church), Medjugorje in 1981 (break-up of Yugoslavia). To those who understand, this is a serious anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox gesture aimed at gathering the forces of the “Catholic West” – whose large part (the EU) marches under Mary’s golden start crown.
This is a very dangerous development. I said few days ago that what would convince the Poles to leap into the bonfire would be a WMD false flag followed by a PAPAL condemnation in addition to general opprobrium..
The adherents of Total War continue to line up all their ducks.
And the Popes have a tradition of blessing Nazi marches Eastward. Another chapter of the Northern Crusades appears underway. https://youtu.be/yMRE6vQWMB0
Saint John Paul II consecrated the world to Mary’s Immaculate Heart in 1984. Addressing Our Lady, he said, “You who have a mother’s awareness of all the struggles between good and evil, between light and darkness, which afflict the modern world, accept the cry which we … address directly to your Heart. Embrace with the love of the Mother and Handmaid of the Lord, this human world of ours, which we entrust and consecrate to you … We have recourse to your protection, holy Mother of God!”
He went on to say, “Immaculate Heart! Help us to conquer the menace of evil, which so easily takes root in the hearts of people today … .” And he asked Mary to deliver us from famine, from war, from sins against life, from hatred and every kind of injustice, and even from the loss of awareness of good and evil. He then asked that, through this consecration, there be revealed to the world once more “the power of merciful Love!”
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Don’t have much theological understanding in this matter. But, if the entire world has already been consecrated unto Mary’s Immaculate Heart, what purpose would be served by Pope Francis in again consecrating Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart?
How does this lead to a war between the the Catholic and Orthodox denominations? As far as I could understand, it seems to be about bringing a forced union between the Catholics and Orthodox Churches. If so, then why aren’t other Christian denominations like Protestants, Baptists etc. also being brought under the same Church. Needless to say, the timing of this announcement is unfortunate and suspect, and will only go further to inflame emotions and passions.
This is a coordinated attack on the Russian Orthodox Church in collaboration with the CIA and the CIA “Patriarch” Bartholomew who has already done most of the work on splitting the Orthodox Church in the Ukraine. Given that the Vatican is behind the Ukrainian Nazi Uniates, this is not only to be expected but is the harbinger of the new and possibly last phase of a millenial spiritual war for the soul of Russia and Orthodoxy that is about to commence.
Agreed.
And the most disgusting of it all is to see how many people apparently believe in that demonic crap…
And then they want us to take them seriously?
They are truly pathetic…
To consecrate is to make holy, perhaps trying to protect both Russia and Ucraine from hate speach directed at them, and wanting peace and reconciliation. But the US and EU made it clear, for the past 8 years, that it wants no consecration of Russia whatsoever.
Bergoglio è un operatore di satana. Il suo nome è il numero della bestia (chi ha intelligenza calcoli il numero della bestia, quel numero è seicentosessantasei, ed è un nome d’uomo… Libro dell’Apocalisse).
Da questa persona satanica non possono venire benedizioni… Non è un uomo di Dio.
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Bergoglio is a satanic worker. His name is the number of the beast (who has intelligence calculate the number of the beast, that number is six hundred and sixty-six, and it is a man’s name … Book of Revelation).
No blessings can come from this satanic person … he is not a man of God.
So having Latins talk about reducing hate speech against Russia is the ultimate lie.
Even the Nazis did not hate Russia and Orthodoxy like the Latin did (and still do).
As an Orthodox Christian, does this matter to me at all? We don’t put any weight in these Fatima “visions”, and it seems about as significant as if a liberal Siberian shaman decided to stop the war by performing an exorcism on the Kremlin, complete with dancing, drumming and incense.
exactly – as a neither Orthodox or Catholic Christian – I think the whole thing is some kind of stupid joke by puppets and hollow men. It means nothing except that it is another sign of the decadence that surrounds the civilization of the west, which so I’m led to believe happens to all civilizations. Unfortunately I don’t think this civilization was ‘supposed’ to go this way – but Germany lost her forward momentum thanks to the masons of England in the two world wars….I wish the German folk soul would reappear. But it doesn’t seem to. So Russia has to step in before her time. Putin’s doing a great job, but sadly this enmity of the west towards Russia may last for centuries – even a millennia – if Germany doesn’t reappear in the light that manifests from the Spiritual world that is the Light of Truth, which knows all things.
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the saker The Pope in a clown but the apparition of Fatima is real . Our Lady ,in 1917 had announced the end of the first world war and had predicted it would soon after be followed by a second war ,worst than the first if men did not pray and do penance . This all happened. She said that the devil would inspire scientists to build new weapons that could depopulate the world in a matter of hours , and that those weapons would be mass produced ! She asked for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart ,otherwise its errors would spread world wide. Now ,the errors She was referring to was Jewish Communism ,which was being implemented that very year in Russia .So all of this which was unforseeable in 1917 , has come to pass . She made the greatest miracle ever in Christian history (the miracle of the Sun ,witnessed by more than 70,000 people !) to prove the authenticity of the the apparition ,and the Secrets She had revealed. The Church although it approved the Apparition , never accepted the 3rd Secret , and refused to consacrate Russia for political reasons.
Raphael, it’s all strange. The greatest miracles in Christianity are Christ’s death and subsequent resurrection and ascension into heaven… and the Eucharist which unites us to Him. Eyes are easy to fool, and it’s barely a miracle if the sun begins to “dance”. Many people regularly see the same thing at Pascha! It’s nice, but not something to stake your faith on. On the topic of miracles, I read about one Russian priest who was beheaded by the Bolsheviks, and then walked back to his village a few hours later with his head attached and a scar around his neck. He served for a number of more years, before being martyred a second time by the Bolsheviks. That’s what I’d call a miracle!
Secrets with predictions… it’s far from Orthodoxy and sounds like occult fortune telling. Praying and repenting is Orthodox though.
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the saker The Church must pay attention when God sends her a messenger ; it must investigate ,and either conclude it is not from God ,or accept it as from God. It can not simply ignore. God has His say ; it is His Church. I find it unfortunate that Orthodox so easily brush off apparitions of Our Lady , without seriously looking into it ,as if The Mother of God had no right to talk to Her children… Have you ever searched the apparition of Our Lady of Good Success (Equador),read Her messages ? Have you investigated Her apparition in LaSalette (France) ? Have you read about the Apparition in Pontmain (France) 1970 ? Have you read the whole story of Our Lady of Lourdes (France) 1858 ? The whole story of Fatima (Portugal) 1917 ? The Apparition of Our Lady of Zaitoun (Cairo Egypt) 1973, above a Coptic church ? You should ,just for honesty’s sake , maybe you will give it a second thought ?
Regards!
Raphael, respectfully, no we’re just not interested and we’ve never worked that way. Orthodox don’t need periodic “updates” from God, the Theotokos or any “prophets”, especially through those who are outside the Church. We already have the Faith in all its fullness.
Having turned my back on Catholicism in 1970 I had already been through all the church history including Fatima.
Escathology here we go.
When VVP became the President,Russia became a primarily Christian nation again, Therefore the prophecy of Fatima is fulfilled,more now than ever as she is standing for righteousness and will emerge as saviour.This is just the Pope,Curia etc accepting reality.
Escathology,
I wonder if Sheik Imran Hossein might have something to say about all of this?
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the saker All I want to know is if there will be an open bar at the reception afterwards?
I honestly think that from purely political point of view, it’s either:
a) the Pope’s hand is forced (as he can’t be seen expressly denying a formal request (publicized, of course) by the council of Latin rite Bishops of Ukraine; as this would be taken by the west as a firm political stance, one that is often avoided by Vatican in favor of other more pressing moral issues like family); or
b) the Pope is deliberately making this move (and asked the cooperation of willing Latin rite Bishops of Ukraine) to reinforce or convey his political stance for peace; as consecration of Russia in its original form is a call for world peace
Either way, it would be difficult to call the Pope out on his decision; since this decision is purely within his religious authority within the Roman Catholic faith.
BUT, one can’t help but question the timing and context of such decision, as the call for consecration of Russia had originally come at a time when there was once a great turmoil in the world; and numerous times since, many Popes had done the consecration, and Sister Lucia herself (the original witness to the apparition of Mary in Fatima) had stated, by letter, that the consecration that Pope John Paul II had done was already “accepted in Heaven”; thus rendering what Pope Francis did insubstantial and seen as a purely compassionate (and politically motivated) gesture.
One can also say that this move is deeply divisive in the heart of Christianity still bleeding from the original schism; as this move does not take into account the feeling of Russian Orthodox; the very people Pope Francis should have loved and nurtured in order to bring the divided people of the same faith closer into union again.
But ultimately this would not change anything. It wouldn’t make common Catholics who had originally supported Russia’s decision suddenly change face and condemn anything.
I am a Roman Catholic and I do believe that war is necessary when it comes to saving human lives treaded under jackboots of Ukronazi. May God in heaven and His beloved Mother Mary the Queen of Universe save our souls.
Saker,
It is a bad joke. The gay mafia of Vatican, eyeing orthodox strongholds, where they are irrelevant in the first place. Very funny.
Madame fake-reset and her ilk must have gone desperate, besides totally mad.
Note:
“Yesterday, photos of an elderly man in a dark coat appeared in public access on the Internet, walking along the streets of Odessa under the protection of several armed Ukrainian security officials – either the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or employees of the SBU, or the National Battalion. He was immediately recognized as Bernard-Henri Levy, a French philosopher and writer, whom many call the “gray eminence” of the “orange revolutions”, rebellions and wars in the modern world.”
Also,
Someone heard from a bird, that the ‘greek’ jewish family engaged in management of Odessa port is fully on board with “ukraine”, USA in other words.
A new US ambassador was recently appointed in Greece. Very friendly to them.
This is classic Catholic Imperialism, a kind of subtle Christianization 2.0 …
in good old tradition of german, resp. polish-lithuanian east expansion, something like this between the 13th and 17th century….
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the saker No Andrei please, don’t be ironic! Russia was already consacrated by previuos Popes e nothing bad if Catholics invoke Holy Mary for peace and reconciliation, not for destroy Russia! You Will have to Be Happy for this, not ironic. We are all Brothers in Christ.
Remember what Pope John Paul II said: Europe brearhs with two lungs, Catholics and Orthodox!
These craps of the papacy are apostates. They do not serve our Lord Christ, but shadow and death. They do so after a bloodbath. On November 14, 1959, a Tuesday, a few days after the beginning of the 1st genocide in Rwanda, the vicariate of Kabgayi became an Archbishopric. To understand the movement, a vicariate is a land in the process of evangelization. An archdiocese is a fully evangelized land.In their sick mind, in the service of the prince of darkness, this false consecration of Russia is a magical attempt to extend their dominion over a coveted land. I don’t know where to look, but probably this public move will be accompanied by a canonical device of creating a bishopric and appointing a bishop. The daily prayers of all the brave Russian mothers do not give a chance to this desperate movement. Mordor is collapsing. The Virgin of Kazan watch and protect Russia.
The Virgin of Kazan wept tears of oil that also exuded from the hands of Myrna Nazzour in Damascus, search Our Lady of Damascus, Myrna Nazzour, for a combo Catholic Orthodox series of apparitions, miracles, and the crucifixion lived and filmed over many years.
The Immaculate Heart of Mary is a pure thing, an eden created by Heaven itself, and it can heal, hide, and protect you, if you just ask for the grace to enter.
We must get to Egypt before Herod kills the first born. Pray. Let saint Joseph guide you.
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the saker Ten years to the day before the Rwandan genocide the Virgin Mary appeared to school girls and a pagan boy in a field.
She said, “The streets will be rivers of blood unless you people change”.
They did not change.
For levitation videos, books etc., search Our Lady of Kibeho. Or Immaculle Ibizi, Left to Tell.
Rwandan genocide
Please dig and learn. This was yet another CIA Clinton sponsored monstrosity.
Why doesn’t this apparition warn everyone about the Clintons Soros and the Bush crime families. With an appropriate warning about the real evil people would be able to respond. Behind fingering beads and making incantations.
I am Catholic, pro Russia, pro Orthodox. I have been to both Fatima and Medjugorje, where the apparitions are ongoing.
Mir, Mir, Mir. This is what the Virgin asks you to pray for, peace. Repent, be reconciled, confess, make reparations, pray, go to mass, take the eucharist worthily.
Her 5 smooth stones to kill Goliath are for each man, individually; prayer, fasting, confession, the holy mass, reading the bible daily.
The prayer she recommends is the rosary. You Orthodox have your beads, use them in your mercy prayer.
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The consecration of Russia is in no way a denigration.
The Fatima promise says Russia will show the way.
When time stops and you see your conscience in the light of God, you will only have six weeks to make good before the terror of the antichrist comes roaring back. You must throw away all your devices at that point, or He will own you. They will say it was a cosmic electrical storm that made the cross is the sky. They are liars, and their father will be thrown in the pit.
You will see a flame go before you. It will lead you to a refuge. They are prepared. The flame is your guardian angel. The refuge will hide you from the antichrist for three and a half years.
Then you will come out into the new world, cleaned of its poison by Our Lord God during the three days of darkness. Search fr michel rodrigues countdown
Sorry, one more thing. The consecration of Russia was supposed to be about communism in 1917 and forward. Had it been done correctly, then, none of this would be happening.
But it had to. My proof? The feet of the beast in revelation are those of a bear. That is to say, the foundation of communism. The rest of the beast is made of very different animals representing very different nationalities.
The Frenchman T. Meyssan claims that this false consecration to the Virgin is intended to mobilize the West on a religious basis for a holy war against Russia. He concludes by saying that: Believers who participate in religious wars lose all capacity to reason and show an unparalleled determination and cruelty. For twenty years, the Muslim world has been paying the price. The Christian world is about to follow.
The Frenchman T. Meyssan claims that this false consecration to the Virgin is intended to mobilize the West on a religious basis for a holy war against Russia.
I looked up “consecration to Mary” online to find out what it is.
Wiki:
“For centuries, Marian devotions among Catholics have included many examples of personal or collective acts of consecration and entrustment to the Virgin Mary, with the Latin terms oblatio, servitus, commendatio and dedicatio having been used in this context.[2] Consecration is an act by which a person is dedicated to a sacred service, or an act which separates an object, location or region from a common and profane mode to one for sacred use.[3] The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments clarifies that in this context, “It should be recalled, however, that the term “consecration” is used here in a broad and non-technical sense: the expression is use of ‘consecrating children to Our Lady’, by which is intended placing children under her protection and asking her maternal blessing for them”.[2]”
To me this move looks like some kind of spiritual redefinition of the Ukraine and Russia, and an implicit claim by the Pope that he has authority to make such redefinitions. Kind of like a religious R2P: we can decide whose “protection” you are under!
Looks to me like a PR stunt designed to introduce a new element into the information war space and also a slap in the face to the Orthodox believers in both the Ukraine and Russia. A spurious claim of authority.
Russia has defined itself as an Orthodox country. I assume that means that Orthodox patriarchs or whatever they are called get to call the shots on major spiritual issues within Russia and for the whole Orthodox church.
So, to me this looks like camel’s nose under the tent in terms of trying to usurp that role.
Kind of like building a house on another person’s property and saying it was your property the whole time.
Another “crusade.”
“We are here to help you.”
It seems to me that carefully crafted pushback is needed.
this stunt should not be left unchallenged: Silence = consent.
It will be used to mount ever more audacious claims of spiritual authority.
I read the answer to my question and all comments and have reached the following conclusion:
The “West” has gone completely insane. First following the Covid operation, and now following the preventive actions of Russia against the imperial west (Globalists) who intended to finish off Russia;
An example of people who lost it: Brother Bugnolo from Rome knows very well about the taking over of the Church, he also provided useful information about the plandemia, but now he fully supports the ukro-nazis in Ukraine. He is FULLY devoted to this calling. His site shows an article titled: “ICON OF THE HOLY THEOTOKOS, SOFTENER OF EVIL HEARTS, BLEEDS IN NEW CATHEDRAL OF RUSSIAN ARMY”. Try to understand that…
The new Catholic Church (Free-masonry) has really lost its marbles. The events surrounding the Pope Benedict renunciation and the taking over of the Church by Free masons is well documented. That Church is clearly trying to start a Holy War. Perhaps a new Crusade against the devilish Russia?
So here we are: The collective West, at the point of being swallowed by the Globalists, found its wall and is fighting back with all it has, using the body and souls of its slave population. The Church is the latest weapon in its arsenal.
Do you need more proof that this is a war between God and evil? It looks to me that God is having the last word and He is having a good laugh… Lets be optimistic and rejoice with Him.
It is an excellent corrective as to that status of the war. But the reason I post it on this thread is that near the end of the MacGregor segment (which is about one hour), MacGregor discusses specifically the animus in the State Department (Blinken, Nuland et al.) against the openly declared conservative traditional values of Russia, and the declaration that Russia is a Christian Orthodox country. So he implies, or perhaps states openly that for these people it is a cultural war and they are true believers in the “globohomo” view of society.
Whether they are actually sincere or are using this as pretext to balkanize Russia and grab its resources is of course an open question. Humans are good at tailoring their beliefs to their more rapacious agendas.
MacGregor implies that they are sincere and are fanatics about the “save Russia” part of the agenda.
The Catholic Church has rejected many of Our Lady’s apparitions . Search the apparition at LaSalette (France) where She painted a very sad picture of the whole Church : Their only ambition being greed pride and lust ;She used the word ‘Cesspool of impurity ‘ This was 1846! In Fatima She came back with a more powerful message : That the Catholic Church had lost it’s mandate and that Jesus had decided to renew His Church with a completely new hierarchy . This Secret was to be made public in 1960 .No wonder They refused to reveal it, and later made-up a fake “Secret” . But Since 1960 , The official Roman Catholic Church is not the Church of Jesus Christ anymore. Our Lady came back in Garabandal (spain) with the same message ; it was rejected and silenced. God is going to intervene soon in His Church and show that He is always in charge . If anyone wishes to know more on this topic I can provide you with ample info .
Agreed, they’re desperate enough to engage in unholy witchcraft. Because that’s all what is left to them.
As usual, they picked the wrong time, the wrong date, and the wrong place to attack to. Not to mention there is zero papal (real or fake) jurisdiction on orthodox lands.
This should -and will!- blow back massively at their faces. Or bottom parts, depends how one looks at it… :-)
Anything made by Bertoglio is void. However Maria is a mother and transcended her human condition, she is very attentive to humanity spreading graces to anyone asking with pure heart and faith, I wish our orthodox Christian brothers would accept that much. Penance, prayer and suffering are not more human than charity, empathy and the desire to spare our children the pains of the world. Mothers can’t save us, but can ease our pains and sacrifice themselves to protect us. No harm would come from consacrating Russia to Maria.
The vision at Fatima is the primary reason why I left Catholicism and became Orthodox. It seems so clearly diabolical to me and those priests who agreed were too frightened to speak out. The devotees of this vision, the Fatimaniacs are beyond crazy, they understand God to be a ruthless tyrant who constantly needs appeasing with acts of sacrifice. They are permanently miserable and never praise God. It all feels realy cultic and I do believe it has done as much to destabilise Catholicism as modernism has done.
The consecration is a meaningless act. But our ‘Champion Leader’ the mighty Theotokos loves all her children and these prayers will be answered, just not perhaps in the way they are expecting.
The vision at Fatima is the primary reason why I left Catholicism and became Orthodox. It seems so clearly diabolical to me and those priests who agreed were too frightened to speak out
That is, of course, what it was. We were told by Christ that we can recognize a tree by its fruits.
That applies to the so-called “visions”
and to the Papacy itself.
Pure, unadulterated, satanism.
Take it as a move from a desperate man.
The Holy Mary appeared several times. Once (I forgot or never got correctly the exact time and place) she announced that if Russia is consecrated to her, Russia will save the world. My bet is that declaration has been taken seriously. I wish it works because we could seriously be all f…d up. It would be a place where the living would envy the dead. The pope Francis decided to proceed accordingly. It should have happened a long time ago and it was up to the sitting pope. Never happened in that form. A half hearted consecration has been done before. Again, don’t bother asking me the details.
You take it as a joke. I see despair in action. The pope could actually be at loss and he is supposedly infaillible about religious questions.
Yes Didier, prophesy says in the end the pope will understand his error, make the consecration, but it will be too late, he will be martyred, Rome will be destroyed, several countries will disappear.
When this war gets to Rome it will go world wide and nuclear.
But in the end Her Immaculate Heart will triumph.
God has got this but his chosen daughter Mary is our only recourse now.
Looks like the pope finally understands he sold out to the antichrist, one worlders, and march 25th, (the annunciation of the birth of Christ to Mary for catholics), he will try to correct that error.
So the day she got pregnant by God as announced by the angel Gabriel, we will try to destroy the root of communism by consecrating Russia.
Look at the apocalypse of John, one of the horns will be cut off but another will spring up in its place. Canuckistan has a little horn, trudy for example, and we know of many others. Watch that prophesy happen in real time.
Countdowntothekingdom.com look at the timeline, read luz and fr rodrigues
It’s a hail mary pass!
I cannot adequately express the seriousness of this to the whole world
I am a Catholic. Pius XII, who was certainly a real Pope, consecrated the “Russian peoples” to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in July 1952. (In another letter he had praised the Marian piety of the Russian people, mentioning the icons kept in their houses–usually in secret.)
After the consecration the Korean armistice occurred, then the death of Stalin in 1953, and then the Kruschev thaw, etc. I believe this contributed to the end of Communism in Russia.
To consecrate means to set aside for a holy/sacred purpose. It is not an act of rebuke. it means that the Russian “peoples” (which could include Ukrainians) have a noble and holy vocation. Perhaps they will rid the world of the NWO, secular-humanist, lgbtq, financial/cultural tyranny that we see exemplified in Zelensky, the US elite, etc.
WHO THE HELL DOES THE POPE THINK HE IS TO “CONSECRATE” SOMETHING WHICH DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM??? /debunking-the-fatima-hoax/
Andrei
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the saker The Pope is the representative of Christ on Earth. One of Christ’s titles is “Father of the World to Come”– since he is the author/father of the salvation which is completed in Eternity. The Pope as Christ’s representative is also, in a way, “father of the World to come.” Now the whole of the human race has been summoned to/ordered to Eternal Life with God. (Whether each man attains that end is another question.) *Thus the whole human race has been entrusted to Christ as author of their salvation and, therefore, to the Holy Father (“Pope” means “Father” of course) as Christ’s representative.* Thus the whole human race “belongs”, in a way, to the Pope, as the *spiritual father of mankind.* He is responsible for promoting the salvation of all, just as a good father seeks the happiness of all of his children.
Pius XII even (supposedly) spoke of the very non-Catholic Stalin as “our son”, when he heard of Stalin’s famous “How many divisions has the Pope?” : “When you see Our son Joseph again tell him that he will meet our divisions in heaven.” Rather optimistic about where Joe would end up, but OK.
I might add that the Pope is the father especially of the baptized, even if they do not acknowledge him as Father.
If, as the eastern orthodox churches believe, the Pope lacks the authority/status to consecrate, then his consecration of Russia should be regarded as ineffectual or as a harmless good will gesture.
Just to make it clear: I do not believe that Francis is the Pope, so I am skeptical as to whether this will do much good. But, Francis aside, there are many good and pious people who will be praying for a just peace (the only real peace), and *their prayers will work in Russia’s favor, since Russia’s cause is just.*
In light of Japans 7.3 earthquake today I was reminded of Our Lady of Akita who said, “Fire will fall from the sky”, because of our sins, homosexuality, etc….
In 2019 the nun had another apparition calling for sackcloth and ashes.
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the saker Jose Bergoglio is invoking Crusader language. Tell me what happened to the Orthodox then?
And he is using the Theotokos but inwardly he is invoking the mother goddess/fertility goddess. It is very occult.
and the announcement was on Purim, right?
this comment has been flagged as of little/no value (possibly troll) by the saker Putin knows of this and Francis refused to discuss the consecration when Putin visited the Vatican in 2016. This consecration is likely a very good thing. It means God will be on Russia’s side now. Most traditional Catholics fear Pope Francis will anger God for this decision because of his past heresy and the likelihood that Pope Benedict was removed from office by force. I am praying God will tolerate this and give humanity the full benefit of the consecration anyway.
The Fatima prophecy is now 105 years old. The Church has dissimulated, lied, and obfuscated this request from the Blessed Virgin for the entire 105 years. Every known secret from her apparitions at Fatima has come true during that time. Traditional Catholics believe this prophecy to be the single most important prophecy of modern times and all other apparitions since then have echoed her requests and lamented the church’s failure to bring them about. It is intended to avert a third world war and was also originally intended to prevent the spread of communism as she appeared during the October Revolution of 1917. Russia figures prominently in the Fatima prophecy and is recognized by her as the third Rome, even if she didn’t say so outright. The Blessed Virgin also said that Russia would return to Christianity and become the Hammer of God. This appears to be happening now.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-03/pope-francis-to-consecrate-russia-and-ukraine-to-the-immaculate.html
It doesn’t appear to be a joke. The above is from Vatican News. Unfortunately, I don’t speak Catholic, so I couldn’t really translate the meanings of this into plain English.
Old habits don’t die. In 2014 the pope met with nazi coup leader Yatsenyuk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxt4IWYAhFI
May be he wants a Reichskonkordat with Banderastan.
preparing new rat lines – Chyrsta Feeland in Canada must be happy. She was in the former rat lines…Nazi Germany to Prairie Canada
This is really weird. Stanley’s link above is at http://www.vaticannews.va. If you search “consecrate Russia and Ukraine” at site:www.vatican.va, instead, however, you get nothing. If you search the same thing in Yandex, you get a link (https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2022/03/15/0177/00384.html) which says the same thing as the link at http://www.vaticannews.va but in Italian.
There is another link (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-03/pope-invites-bishops-to-join-him-in-consecration-of-russia.html) that goes even further. It says, “The Consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary will be pronounced by the Pope on the afternoon of Friday 25 March in St Peter’s Basilica. The act of consecration will be performed in communion with the local Churches throughout the world.” This statement just quoted enunciates a consecration in accordance with the mandates of Fatima.
If you search for something looser at http://www.vatican.va, you find the following statement by Pope Francis, on March 20: “I invite every community and all the faithful to unite with me on Friday 25 March, the Solemnity of the Annunciation, for the Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that she, the Queen of Peace, may help us obtain peace.”
What the Pope says at http://www.vatican.va is materially different from what he says at http://www.vaticannews.va and press.vatican.va. To consecrate “humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine” is not a consecration according to the mandates of Fatima. The whole statement describes a prayer for peace, not a valid consecration. It also makes no specific mention of all the bishops joining him in it. Are all the bishops going to join him or not? (He can order them to join him.) To satisfy the mandates of Fatima, the bishops have to join him. It is only five days away and I see nothing at various websites of the local church here about any priest or bishop joining him locally.
Any number of Catholic churches in the United States (and no doubt worldwide) have made pro-Ukrainian statements recently, in response to all the propaganda by the government. The minutiae discussed here regarding the act of consecration may sound like so much triviality, but to perform a consecration in accordance with the mandates of Fatima is fundamentally a call for unity with the Russian Orthodox Church, so it fundamentally is a pro-Russian statement. A call for peace with all sorts of sympathy for the Ukraine is a pro-Ukrainian statement. These are not the same thing as each other. To fall short of the mandates of Fatima deliberately, at this particular time, is essentially a pro-Ukrainian stance. Pope Francis is striking two stances, and they are not the same as each other.
Pope Francis is, and always was a bad joke incarnated. So, move along, nothing to see here.
Bergoglio is a fake Pope (antipapa).
Benedict XVI is unable to attend (sede impedita), Francis is illegitimate pope.
The italian journalist Andrea Cionci demonstrate this fact.
You can translate this report from Italian language:
https://www.liberoquotidiano.it/articolo_blog/blog/andrea-cionci/28187673/joseph-ratzinger-vero-papa-giuristi-sanchez-acosta-smontano-difesa-pro-bergoglio.html
Computer Science demonstrate that the name BERGOGLIO=666 using universal ASCII codes
You can translate this report from Italian language:
https://t.me/Sub_Tutela_Dei/18
Please note that those who have intelligence have calculated the number of the beast and it is a man’s name …
The calculation was done using the universal computer alphabet, called ASCII code, which associates with each letter of the alphabet a number
A 65
B 66
C 67
….
Z 90
Thanks to this universal code the value of the surname has been calculated
B 66
E 69
R 82
G 71
O 79
G 71
L 76
I 73
O 79
BERGOGLIO = 66 + 69 + 82 + 71 + 79 + 71 + 76 + 73 + 79
And that number is exactly six hundred and sixty-six
So it is not correct to address the false pope indicating him as Pope. There is only one living pope … The other he is evidently an antipope
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Sub Tutela Dei!
O senhor falou com ódio, entonces não dá pra acreditar em sua análise. Eu não sou católico, detesto a hierarquia das igrejas, mas não concordo com preconceitos e um tipo de racismo em relação aos sul-americanos, tendo Bertoglio como exemplo.
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Deepl translate from mod:
You spoke with hatred, so you can’t believe your analysis. I am not Catholic, I hate the hierarchy of churches, but I don’t agree with prejudices and a kind of racism towards South Americans, with Bertoglio as an example.
I sincerely don’t expect any honest orthodox faithful to understand this subject, but as a catholic I can say that if this Consecration is not done in union with the worlds Episcopate it will be INVALID as the previous tree one’s (they didn’t mention ‘Russia’ and the first by Pope Pius XII mentioned it but omitted the Bishops of the World.
Now, I’m not interested in arguments here. I would sincerely ask anyone that really has a deep Love for Mary mother of Jesus and Theotokos to read a good biographical history of the Fatima events in Portugal, 1917 the year of the Revolution in Russia (not catholic books or spiritual, etc… just the facts and testimonies). Than make up your judgment.
God Bless!
BERGOGLIO alias 666 is not the real Pope:
Original link to the automatic translation:
https://www.adnkronos.com/dal-papa-atti-sacrileghi-100-studiosi-contro-francesco_1LX4L6C1t37YnlLz226E5c
“Sacrilegious acts”, 100 scholars against Pope Francis
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The document, defined as a “protest”, was written in seven languages
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“We, the undersigned Catholic clerics, scholars and intellectuals, protest and condemn the sacrilegious and superstitious acts committed by Pope Francis, the Successor of Peter, during the recent Synod on the Amazon held in Rome”. Thus began the document, written in seven languages and signed by a hundred scholars, religious and lay people – including the moralist John McCarthy, the theologian Brian Harrison, the historian Roberto De Mattei, the jurist Paolo Pasqualucci, the medievalist Claudio Pierantoni, the patrologist John Rist, the philosopher Josef Seifert, the historian Henry Sire, Princess Glorias Thurn und Taxis and John Henry Westen, founder of the LifeSiteNews site – Catholic ‘extremists’, for whom the Pontiff was guilty of “grave sins” and also whoever follows him inside the Church risks “eternal damnation”.
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In the document, defined as a “protest”, the signatories – who cite in support of their theses, among others, Cardinals Wlater Brandmueller, Gerhard Mueller, Raymond Burke, Jorge Urosa Savino, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò and bishops Athanasius Schneider, José Luis Azcona Hermoso, Rudolf Voderholzer and Marian Eleganti – in particular six “sacrilegious acts” are listed, all linked to what they define as “the idolatrous worship of the pagan goddess Pachamama”, the statuette that unknown persons stole during the Synod on the Amazon from the church of Santa Maria in Traspontina a stone’s throw from the basilica of San Pietro in the Vatican and thrown into the river Tiber.
“On October 4 – they write – Pope Francis participated in an act of idolatrous adoration of the pagan goddess Pachamama. He allowed this cult to take place in the Vatican Gardens, thus profaning the proximity of the tombs of the martyrs and the church of the Apostle Peter. participated in this act of idolatrous adoration by blessing a wooden image of the Pachamama “.
The document continues in its accusations against Jorge Mario Bergoglio: “On 7 October, the Pachamama idol was placed in front of the main altar of St. Peter and then carried in procession to the Synod Hall. Pope Francis recited prayers during a ceremony that involved this image and then joined this procession. When the wooden images of this pagan deity were removed from the church of Santa Maria in Traspontina, where they had been sacrilegiously placed, and thrown into the Tiber by some outraged Catholics this desecration of the church, Pope Francis, on October 25, apologized for their removal and a new wooden image of the Pachamama was returned to the church. Thus a further desecration began. ”
And again: “On October 27, in the concluding Mass of the Synod, he received a bowl used in the idolatrous cult of the Pachamama and placed it on the altar. Pope Francis himself confirmed that these wooden images are pagan idols. In his apology for removing these idols from a Catholic church, he specifically named them Pachamama, the name of a false goddess of mother earth according to a pagan religious belief in South America. ”
The signatories recall that “various characteristics of these ceremonies have been condemned as idolatrous or sacrilegious by Cardinal Walter Brandmueller, Cardinal Gerhard Mueller, Cardinal Jorge Urosa Savino, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Bishop José Luis Azcona Hermoso, by Bishop Rudolf Voderholzer and by Bishop Marian Eleganti. Finally, Cardinal Raymond Burke also gave the same interpretation in an interview “.
Not only the action of “idolatry of the pagan goddess Pachamama”: in the indictment. The hundred signatories of the anti-Bergoglio document also insert the signature and interpretation of the ‘Document on Human Fraternity’ that the Pontiff signed on 4 February with the Grand Imam of the Al-Azhar mosque, considered the highest Islamic theological authority.
“This statement stated that ‘the pluralism and diversity of religions, color, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings. This divine wisdom is the source from which the right to freedom of belief and the freedom to be different. ‘Pope Francis’ involvement in idolatrous ceremonies indicates that he intended to give this statement a heterodox meaning, which allows pagan worship of idols to be considered a good willed by God in the sense positive”. But, the signatories of the anti-Pope Francis document underline, “the authorization to worship anyone or anything other than the one true God, the Holy Trinity, is a violation of the First Commandment
I know the events, including the unseen side of the matter.
1. What happened then, addressed the Roman Catholic Church, PRIOR to Vatican II.
2. It was disobeyed. In fact, Vatican II was the tombstone of this, and other matters. The end.
3. Admission to homosexual “priests” – really? This was also part of the tombstone.
4. As if all these evils weren’t enough, Bergoglio is not even the Pope. Besides, he’s spiritually invalid in the first place. Of course Pope Benedict XVI has no part in such incredibly foolish act.
5. This matter was finished long ago, and now it is meaningless to even mention it. Over and out.
Jorge, from the Orthodox perspective, visions of Mary, Jesus and other saints aren’t actually important things that can or should influence the Church. Most of the time we look on such things with intense suspicion, since they could have been inspired by something demonic. Our focus is holding firmly to the Christian Faith of the Apostles and Church Fathers, and trying to repent of our sins.
A strong testimony, my brother in Christ.
Prelest or spiritual delusion/hubris.
This is an important insight, one that confirmed my own spiritual intuition and reconfirmed to me that in this Orthodoxy is closer to the truth than Catholicism. With much respect and love to all Catholics, Orthodox, mere Christians, and those looking for truth on this site.
Whatever he does on the outside, spiritually, Francis is only consecrating Russia to pachamama….
Fátima é um embuste criado por um padre meio salazarista de leiria. Aliás “fátima” foi contestado no início pela burocracia católica ate´se convencer dos benefícos políticos e financeiros que podiam advir do “fenómeno” religioso. Há livros que relatam o desenvolver de “fátima” e descontroiem o caso ( padre Mário, por exemplo ).
Na realidade “fátima” acabou por alinhar-se ao que de mais retrógrado e ignorante havia no país, ao ponto de salazar e os seus bispos verem com bons olhos os rituais que passaram a render fortunas aos cofres da igreja e serviu de escape ao fascismo que acabou com a tragédia da guerra colonial. Hoje “fátima” acualizou-se como uma grande superficie religiosa católica. Uma especie de “pingo doce” da fé, com milagres em cartão.
This consecration event looks bizarre and is confusing to me.
Could someone explain in simple, plain language, what is the meaning of consecrating both Russia and the ukro-nazi, sorry Ukraine, to the Immaculate Hearth of Mary?
When is it normally done, why would the pope do this, and what is the intended outcome?
I’m glad you asked the question. Those of us who grew up in a secular environment can’t grasp the irony of what is being implied in the title.
the Fatima topic is very complex, I will try to summarize it.
However, it is essential to make a premise:
from the Christian point of view, Jesus founded the Church, which therefore belongs to Christ and is unique and indivisible.
before ascending to heaven, after being resurrected, he sent the eleven apostles and disciples to preach the gospel (the good news) to the Jewish people and to all peoples.
In the book of the acts of the apostles the first works of evangelization by the apostles (the shepherds of the flock) and the disciples are described. During their evangelization pilgrimage the apostles founded churches (eg Laodicea, Smyrna, etc.).
It is important, however, to remember that Jesus on several occasions had reiterated to the Apostles that the Father had entrusted the sheep to him, and the apostles had the sole task of looking after the flock …. but the owner of the flock is Jesus himself.
This whole premise to demonstrate that the Church founded by Jesus is one, it is one.
Jesus had entrusted to one of the apostles, Peter, the task of “confirming the brothers in the faith”, so that, after his ascent to heaven, there was an element of gathering and connecting between the many Churches that would arise (Laodicea, Smyrna, etc.).
In the history of the Church, however, some schisms have occurred, the largest between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.
Thanks be to God, the Orthodox Church has preserved the faith that was left to us as a gift by Jesus.
In this last period, which many see as an apocalyptic time, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, in which I am baptized, has deeply moved away from the faith that Jesus had asked us to keep, to the point of forcing the Holy Father Benedict XVI to declare that he is prevented from carrying out his apostolic ministry. The Catholic hierarchy then proceeded to elect an antipope, who has carried out countless apostate acts.
Having said that, let’s go back to Fatima.
Only recently did I understand the profound meaning of the message of Fatima, in which the Mother of God asked to publicly bless Russia so that the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church return to being that one Church founded by Jesus.
The Orthodox Church, which has kept the message of Jesus unaltered, will have to restore the entire Catholic Christian people to the faith.
Among those who declare themselves Catholics at this time there is now only a “small remnant” faithful to the tradition that has been handed down to us by the apostles … Most of those who declare themselves Catholics are, by now, followers of a new different (in the sense of no longer Christian) religion, just as the Pharisees at the time of Jesus no longer followed the religion of Abraham and Moses (remember that Jesus calls the Pharisees “sons of Satan”).
Before ending this short post I would like to recall a question that Jesus asked the apostles: will there still be faith on earth when I return?
May God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, Trinity One God, bless us and send his Holy Angels to drive back the Demons and evil men into the abyss of the underworld … because the battle is not between blood and flesh, but between principalities and powers, between angels and demons.
PS: If Orthodox Christians wanted to understand the meaning of the message of Fatima, the starting point could be the prayer of the Holy Father Leo XIII of which I report a part that is linked to the prophecy of Fatima (which is a prophecy that heralds the great apostasy of Catholic church)
Leo XIII:
“And this evil dragon, in men depraved in mind and corrupt in heart, transfuses the poison of his iniquity like a pestiferous river: his spirit of lies, of impiety and blasphemy, his deadly breath of lust and every vice and iniquity.
And the Church, Bride of the Immaculate Lamb, has been filled with bitterness and watered with gall by very cunning enemies; they have put their impious hands on all that is most sacred; and where the See of the Most Blessed Peter and the Chair of Truth were established, they placed the throne of their abomination and impiety, so that struck the shepherd, the flock can be dispersed.
https://cooperatores-veritatis.org/2014/10/13/lesorcismo-di-papa-leone-xiii-la-preghiera-a-san-michele-arcangelo/
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l’argomento Fatima è molto complesso, cercherò di sintetizzarlo.
È fondamentale tuttavia fare una premessa:
dal punto di vista cristiano Gesù ha fondato la Chiesa, che quindi È di Cristo ed è unica e indivisibile.
prima di salire al cielo, dopo essere risorto, ha inviato gli undici apostoli e i discepoli a predicare il vangelo (la buona novella) al popolo ebreo e a tutti i popoli.
Nel libro degli atti degli apostoli sono descritte le prime opere di evangelizzazione ad opera degli apostoli (i pastori del gregge) e dei discepoli. Nel corso del loro pellegrinaggio di evangelizzazione gli apostoli hanno fondato delle Chiese (es Laodicea, Smirne, ecc.).
È importante tuttavia ricordare che Gesù in più occasioni aveva ribadito agli Apostoli che il Padre aveva affidato a Lui le pecore, e gli apostoli avevano il solo compito di custodire il gregge…. ma il padrone del gregge è Gesù stesso.
Tutta questa premessa per dimostrare che la Chiesa fondata da Gesù è unica, è una sola.
Gesù aveva affidato ad uno degli apostoli, Pietro, il compito di “confermare i fratelli nella fede”, in modo che, dopo la sua salita al cielo vi fosse un elemento di raccolta e di raccordo tra le tante Chiese che sarebbero sorte (Laodicea, Smirne, ecc.).
Nella storia della Chiesa tuttavia si sono verificati alcuni scismi, il più grande tra la chiesa cattolica e la chiesa ortodossa.
Grazie a Dio la Chiesa ortodossa ha custodito la fede che ci è stata lasciata in dono da Gesù.
In questo ultimo tempo, che in tanti vediamo come un tempo apocalittico, la gerarchia della Chiesa cattolica, nella quale sono battezzato, si è profondamente allontanata dalla fede che Gesù ci aveva chiesto di custodire, fino al punto da costringere il Santo Padre Benedetto XVI a dichiarare di essere impedito a svolgere il suo ministero apostolico. La gerarchia cattolica ha quindi provveduto ad eleggere un antipapa, che ha compiuto innumerevoli atti apostati.
Detto questo torniamo a Fatima.
Solo di recente ho compreso il senso profondo del messaggio di Fatima, nel quale la Madre di Dio ha chiesto di di benedire pubblicamente la Russia affinché la Chiesa ortodossa e la chiesa cattolica tornino ad essere quell’unica Chiesa fondata da Gesù.
La Chiesa ortodossa, che ha mantenuto inalterato il messaggio di Gesù, dovrà riportare l’intero Popolo cristiano cattolico alla fede.
Tra coloro che si dichiarano cattolici in questo tempo è rimasto ormai solo un “piccolo resto” fedele alla tradizione che ci è stata tramandata dagli apostoli… La maggior parte di coloro che si dichiarano cattolici sono invece, ormai, seguaci di una nuova diversa (nel senso di non più cristiana) religione, così come i farisei al tempo di Gesù non seguivano ormai più la religione di Abramo e di Mosè (ricordo che Gesù chiama i farisei “figli di Satana”).
Prima di terminare questa breve post vorrei ricordare una domanda che fece Gesù agli apostoli: al mio ritorno ci sarà ancora la fede sulla terra?
Che Dio Padre, Dio Figlio, Dio Spirito Santo, Trinità Unico Dio, ci benedica e mandi i suo Santi Angeli affinché ricaccino i Demoni e gli uomini malvagi negli abissi degli inferi… perché la battaglia non è tra sangue e carne, ma tra principati e potestà, tra Angeli e demoni.
PS: Se i cristiani ortodossi volessero comprendere il significato del messaggio di Fatima il punto di partenza può essere la preghiera del Santo Padre Leone XIII di cui riporto una parte che si ricollega alla profezia di Fatima (che è una profezia che preannuncia la grande apostasia della Chiesa cattolica)
Leone XIII:
“E questo drago malefico, negli uomini depravati nella mente e corrotti nel cuore, trasfonde come un fiume pestifero il veleno della sua nequizia: il suo spirito di menzogna, di empietà e di blasfemia, il suo alito mortifero di lussuria e di ogni vizio e iniquità.
E la Chiesa, Sposa dell’Agnello Immacolato, da molto astuti nemici è stata riempita di amarezza e abbeverata di fiele; essi hanno messo le loro empie mani su tutto ciò che c’è di più sacro; e lì dove fu istituita la Sede del beatissimo Pietro e la Cattedra della Verità, hanno posto il trono della loro abominazione ed empietà, così che colpito il pastore, il gregge possa essere disperso.
https://cooperatores-veritatis.org/2014/10/13/lesorcismo-di-papa-leone-xiii-la-preghiera-a-san-michele-arcangelo/
During the series of apparitions of Our Lady to the three little shepherd children in Fatima, Portugal, which happened over a number of months, she made a bunch of requests to the children.
One request was for the Pope to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart.
According to what Our Lady told the children, until this is done (and done properly – there are details which can’t be omitted) then the world is at grave and increasing risk of destruction.
While you have the facility of the World Wide Web available to you (and that’s no longer guaranteed given the Globalist mischief) you might care to delve into the whole subject of the apparitions at Fatima.
FWIW, the town of Fatima – where Our Lady chose to visit those shepherd children – was named in honour of one of Mohammed’s daughters. I’m not Muslim, but that seems like a clue that the Muslims are not the enemy.
Estão até “ressuscitando” esta bobagem farsesca dos “Segredos de Fátima?”
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Are they really “resurrecting” this ridiculous nonsense of the “Secrets of Fatima”?
This (beside various “apparitions”) is a tried and tested trick in the Vatican’s arsenal and means only one thing – it is a signal, a trigger for the Vatican’s Western stooges to commence a holy war against Russia under the guise of a slimy “concern”. In 1953, at the height of the Cold war a statue of Mary travelled from Rome and was placed in the US Embassy in Moscow. Many, many other examples – Fatima in 1917 (fall of the Russian Orthodox Church), Medjugorje in 1981 (break-up of Yugoslavia). To those who understand, this is a serious anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox gesture aimed at gathering the forces of the “Catholic West” – whose large part (the EU) marches under Mary’s golden start crown.
This is a very dangerous development. I said few days ago that what would convince the Poles to leap into the bonfire would be a WMD false flag followed by a PAPAL condemnation in addition to general opprobrium..
The adherents of Total War continue to line up all their ducks.
And the Popes have a tradition of blessing Nazi marches Eastward. Another chapter of the Northern Crusades appears underway.
https://youtu.be/yMRE6vQWMB0
Hi Ken,
Good to read you!
You’re saying the timing of these events/apparitions is in fact a coded signal for attack?
Consecration means the act of making something holy. So, to me, at face value, a consecration would appear to be a peaceful gesture…?
Hello. Answering you: on the contrary- see Thierry Meyssan, today, voltairenet.org. It is very serious.
As per this article –
https://www.marian.org/news/What-IS-the-Immaculate-Heart-7138
Saint John Paul II consecrated the world to Mary’s Immaculate Heart in 1984. Addressing Our Lady, he said, “You who have a mother’s awareness of all the struggles between good and evil, between light and darkness, which afflict the modern world, accept the cry which we … address directly to your Heart. Embrace with the love of the Mother and Handmaid of the Lord, this human world of ours, which we entrust and consecrate to you … We have recourse to your protection, holy Mother of God!”
He went on to say, “Immaculate Heart! Help us to conquer the menace of evil, which so easily takes root in the hearts of people today … .” And he asked Mary to deliver us from famine, from war, from sins against life, from hatred and every kind of injustice, and even from the loss of awareness of good and evil. He then asked that, through this consecration, there be revealed to the world once more “the power of merciful Love!”
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Don’t have much theological understanding in this matter. But, if the entire world has already been consecrated unto Mary’s Immaculate Heart, what purpose would be served by Pope Francis in again consecrating Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart?
How does this lead to a war between the the Catholic and Orthodox denominations? As far as I could understand, it seems to be about bringing a forced union between the Catholics and Orthodox Churches. If so, then why aren’t other Christian denominations like Protestants, Baptists etc. also being brought under the same Church. Needless to say, the timing of this announcement is unfortunate and suspect, and will only go further to inflame emotions and passions.
This is a coordinated attack on the Russian Orthodox Church in collaboration with the CIA and the CIA “Patriarch” Bartholomew who has already done most of the work on splitting the Orthodox Church in the Ukraine. Given that the Vatican is behind the Ukrainian Nazi Uniates, this is not only to be expected but is the harbinger of the new and possibly last phase of a millenial spiritual war for the soul of Russia and Orthodoxy that is about to commence.
Agreed.
And the most disgusting of it all is to see how many people apparently believe in that demonic crap…
And then they want us to take them seriously?
They are truly pathetic…
To consecrate is to make holy, perhaps trying to protect both Russia and Ucraine from hate speach directed at them, and wanting peace and reconciliation. But the US and EU made it clear, for the past 8 years, that it wants no consecration of Russia whatsoever.
Bergoglio è un operatore di satana. Il suo nome è il numero della bestia (chi ha intelligenza calcoli il numero della bestia, quel numero è seicentosessantasei, ed è un nome d’uomo… Libro dell’Apocalisse).
Da questa persona satanica non possono venire benedizioni… Non è un uomo di Dio.
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Bergoglio is a satanic worker. His name is the number of the beast (who has intelligence calculate the number of the beast, that number is six hundred and sixty-six, and it is a man’s name … Book of Revelation).
No blessings can come from this satanic person … he is not a man of God.
The Papacy created the Ukraine: /ukrainian-nationalism-its-roots-and-nature/
And they don’t own it: /debunking-the-fatima-hoax/
So having Latins talk about reducing hate speech against Russia is the ultimate lie.
Even the Nazis did not hate Russia and Orthodoxy like the Latin did (and still do).
As an Orthodox Christian, does this matter to me at all? We don’t put any weight in these Fatima “visions”, and it seems about as significant as if a liberal Siberian shaman decided to stop the war by performing an exorcism on the Kremlin, complete with dancing, drumming and incense.
exactly – as a neither Orthodox or Catholic Christian – I think the whole thing is some kind of stupid joke by puppets and hollow men. It means nothing except that it is another sign of the decadence that surrounds the civilization of the west, which so I’m led to believe happens to all civilizations. Unfortunately I don’t think this civilization was ‘supposed’ to go this way – but Germany lost her forward momentum thanks to the masons of England in the two world wars….I wish the German folk soul would reappear. But it doesn’t seem to. So Russia has to step in before her time. Putin’s doing a great job, but sadly this enmity of the west towards Russia may last for centuries – even a millennia – if Germany doesn’t reappear in the light that manifests from the Spiritual world that is the Light of Truth, which knows all things.
it is important to understand your enemy.
so yes, it is important.
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The Pope in a clown but the apparition of Fatima is real . Our Lady ,in 1917 had announced the end of the first world war and had predicted it would soon after be followed by a second war ,worst than the first if men did not pray and do penance . This all happened. She said that the devil would inspire scientists to build new weapons that could depopulate the world in a matter of hours , and that those weapons would be mass produced ! She asked for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart ,otherwise its errors would spread world wide. Now ,the errors She was referring to was Jewish Communism ,which was being implemented that very year in Russia .So all of this which was unforseeable in 1917 , has come to pass . She made the greatest miracle ever in Christian history (the miracle of the Sun ,witnessed by more than 70,000 people !) to prove the authenticity of the the apparition ,and the Secrets She had revealed. The Church although it approved the Apparition , never accepted the 3rd Secret , and refused to consacrate Russia for political reasons.
Raphael, it’s all strange. The greatest miracles in Christianity are Christ’s death and subsequent resurrection and ascension into heaven… and the Eucharist which unites us to Him. Eyes are easy to fool, and it’s barely a miracle if the sun begins to “dance”. Many people regularly see the same thing at Pascha! It’s nice, but not something to stake your faith on. On the topic of miracles, I read about one Russian priest who was beheaded by the Bolsheviks, and then walked back to his village a few hours later with his head attached and a scar around his neck. He served for a number of more years, before being martyred a second time by the Bolsheviks. That’s what I’d call a miracle!
Secrets with predictions… it’s far from Orthodoxy and sounds like occult fortune telling. Praying and repenting is Orthodox though.
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The Church must pay attention when God sends her a messenger ; it must investigate ,and either conclude it is not from God ,or accept it as from God. It can not simply ignore. God has His say ; it is His Church. I find it unfortunate that Orthodox so easily brush off apparitions of Our Lady , without seriously looking into it ,as if The Mother of God had no right to talk to Her children… Have you ever searched the apparition of Our Lady of Good Success (Equador),read Her messages ? Have you investigated Her apparition in LaSalette (France) ? Have you read about the Apparition in Pontmain (France) 1970 ? Have you read the whole story of Our Lady of Lourdes (France) 1858 ? The whole story of Fatima (Portugal) 1917 ? The Apparition of Our Lady of Zaitoun (Cairo Egypt) 1973, above a Coptic church ? You should ,just for honesty’s sake , maybe you will give it a second thought ?
Regards!
Raphael, respectfully, no we’re just not interested and we’ve never worked that way. Orthodox don’t need periodic “updates” from God, the Theotokos or any “prophets”, especially through those who are outside the Church. We already have the Faith in all its fullness.
Having turned my back on Catholicism in 1970 I had already been through all the church history including Fatima.
Escathology here we go.
When VVP became the President,Russia became a primarily Christian nation again, Therefore the prophecy of Fatima is fulfilled,more now than ever as she is standing for righteousness and will emerge as saviour.This is just the Pope,Curia etc accepting reality.
Escathology,
I wonder if Sheik Imran Hossein might have something to say about all of this?
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All I want to know is if there will be an open bar at the reception afterwards?
I honestly think that from purely political point of view, it’s either:
a) the Pope’s hand is forced (as he can’t be seen expressly denying a formal request (publicized, of course) by the council of Latin rite Bishops of Ukraine; as this would be taken by the west as a firm political stance, one that is often avoided by Vatican in favor of other more pressing moral issues like family); or
b) the Pope is deliberately making this move (and asked the cooperation of willing Latin rite Bishops of Ukraine) to reinforce or convey his political stance for peace; as consecration of Russia in its original form is a call for world peace
Either way, it would be difficult to call the Pope out on his decision; since this decision is purely within his religious authority within the Roman Catholic faith.
BUT, one can’t help but question the timing and context of such decision, as the call for consecration of Russia had originally come at a time when there was once a great turmoil in the world; and numerous times since, many Popes had done the consecration, and Sister Lucia herself (the original witness to the apparition of Mary in Fatima) had stated, by letter, that the consecration that Pope John Paul II had done was already “accepted in Heaven”; thus rendering what Pope Francis did insubstantial and seen as a purely compassionate (and politically motivated) gesture.
One can also say that this move is deeply divisive in the heart of Christianity still bleeding from the original schism; as this move does not take into account the feeling of Russian Orthodox; the very people Pope Francis should have loved and nurtured in order to bring the divided people of the same faith closer into union again.
But ultimately this would not change anything. It wouldn’t make common Catholics who had originally supported Russia’s decision suddenly change face and condemn anything.
I am a Roman Catholic and I do believe that war is necessary when it comes to saving human lives treaded under jackboots of Ukronazi. May God in heaven and His beloved Mother Mary the Queen of Universe save our souls.
Saker,
It is a bad joke. The gay mafia of Vatican, eyeing orthodox strongholds, where they are irrelevant in the first place. Very funny.
Madame fake-reset and her ilk must have gone desperate, besides totally mad.
Note:
“Yesterday, photos of an elderly man in a dark coat appeared in public access on the Internet, walking along the streets of Odessa under the protection of several armed Ukrainian security officials – either the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or employees of the SBU, or the National Battalion. He was immediately recognized as Bernard-Henri Levy, a French philosopher and writer, whom many call the “gray eminence” of the “orange revolutions”, rebellions and wars in the modern world.”
(https://en.topwar.ru/193522-ideolog-unichtozhenija-livii-i-jugoslavii-bernar-anri-levi-pojavilsja-v-odesse.html)
Also,
Someone heard from a bird, that the ‘greek’ jewish family engaged in management of Odessa port is fully on board with “ukraine”, USA in other words.
A new US ambassador was recently appointed in Greece. Very friendly to them.
It would indeed seem like a joke to the Godless, I guess.
Ecce Homo! To he that knows it all.
This is classic Catholic Imperialism, a kind of subtle Christianization 2.0 …
in good old tradition of german, resp. polish-lithuanian east expansion, something like this between the 13th and 17th century….
Exactly!
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No Andrei please, don’t be ironic! Russia was already consacrated by previuos Popes e nothing bad if Catholics invoke Holy Mary for peace and reconciliation, not for destroy Russia! You Will have to Be Happy for this, not ironic. We are all Brothers in Christ.
Remember what Pope John Paul II said: Europe brearhs with two lungs, Catholics and Orthodox!
These craps of the papacy are apostates. They do not serve our Lord Christ, but shadow and death. They do so after a bloodbath. On November 14, 1959, a Tuesday, a few days after the beginning of the 1st genocide in Rwanda, the vicariate of Kabgayi became an Archbishopric. To understand the movement, a vicariate is a land in the process of evangelization. An archdiocese is a fully evangelized land.In their sick mind, in the service of the prince of darkness, this false consecration of Russia is a magical attempt to extend their dominion over a coveted land. I don’t know where to look, but probably this public move will be accompanied by a canonical device of creating a bishopric and appointing a bishop. The daily prayers of all the brave Russian mothers do not give a chance to this desperate movement. Mordor is collapsing. The Virgin of Kazan watch and protect Russia.
The Virgin of Kazan wept tears of oil that also exuded from the hands of Myrna Nazzour in Damascus, search Our Lady of Damascus, Myrna Nazzour, for a combo Catholic Orthodox series of apparitions, miracles, and the crucifixion lived and filmed over many years.
The Immaculate Heart of Mary is a pure thing, an eden created by Heaven itself, and it can heal, hide, and protect you, if you just ask for the grace to enter.
We must get to Egypt before Herod kills the first born. Pray. Let saint Joseph guide you.
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Ten years to the day before the Rwandan genocide the Virgin Mary appeared to school girls and a pagan boy in a field.
She said, “The streets will be rivers of blood unless you people change”.
They did not change.
For levitation videos, books etc., search Our Lady of Kibeho. Or Immaculle Ibizi, Left to Tell.
Rwandan genocide
Please dig and learn. This was yet another CIA Clinton sponsored monstrosity.
Why doesn’t this apparition warn everyone about the Clintons Soros and the Bush crime families. With an appropriate warning about the real evil people would be able to respond. Behind fingering beads and making incantations.
I am Catholic, pro Russia, pro Orthodox. I have been to both Fatima and Medjugorje, where the apparitions are ongoing.
Mir, Mir, Mir. This is what the Virgin asks you to pray for, peace. Repent, be reconciled, confess, make reparations, pray, go to mass, take the eucharist worthily.
Her 5 smooth stones to kill Goliath are for each man, individually; prayer, fasting, confession, the holy mass, reading the bible daily.
The prayer she recommends is the rosary. You Orthodox have your beads, use them in your mercy prayer.
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The consecration of Russia is in no way a denigration.
The Fatima promise says Russia will show the way.
When time stops and you see your conscience in the light of God, you will only have six weeks to make good before the terror of the antichrist comes roaring back. You must throw away all your devices at that point, or He will own you. They will say it was a cosmic electrical storm that made the cross is the sky. They are liars, and their father will be thrown in the pit.
You will see a flame go before you. It will lead you to a refuge. They are prepared. The flame is your guardian angel. The refuge will hide you from the antichrist for three and a half years.
Then you will come out into the new world, cleaned of its poison by Our Lord God during the three days of darkness. Search fr michel rodrigues countdown
Are you guys for real?
Do you even believe it yourself???
Sorry, one more thing. The consecration of Russia was supposed to be about communism in 1917 and forward. Had it been done correctly, then, none of this would be happening.
But it had to. My proof? The feet of the beast in revelation are those of a bear. That is to say, the foundation of communism. The rest of the beast is made of very different animals representing very different nationalities.
The Frenchman T. Meyssan claims that this false consecration to the Virgin is intended to mobilize the West on a religious basis for a holy war against Russia. He concludes by saying that: Believers who participate in religious wars lose all capacity to reason and show an unparalleled determination and cruelty. For twenty years, the Muslim world has been paying the price. The Christian world is about to follow.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article216086.html
The Frenchman T. Meyssan claims that this false consecration to the Virgin is intended to mobilize the West on a religious basis for a holy war against Russia.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article216086.html
No, this has to do with Fatima, I think.
Not a Catholic.
I looked up “consecration to Mary” online to find out what it is.
Wiki:
“For centuries, Marian devotions among Catholics have included many examples of personal or collective acts of consecration and entrustment to the Virgin Mary, with the Latin terms oblatio, servitus, commendatio and dedicatio having been used in this context.[2] Consecration is an act by which a person is dedicated to a sacred service, or an act which separates an object, location or region from a common and profane mode to one for sacred use.[3] The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments clarifies that in this context, “It should be recalled, however, that the term “consecration” is used here in a broad and non-technical sense: the expression is use of ‘consecrating children to Our Lady’, by which is intended placing children under her protection and asking her maternal blessing for them”.[2]”
To me this move looks like some kind of spiritual redefinition of the Ukraine and Russia, and an implicit claim by the Pope that he has authority to make such redefinitions. Kind of like a religious R2P: we can decide whose “protection” you are under!
Looks to me like a PR stunt designed to introduce a new element into the information war space and also a slap in the face to the Orthodox believers in both the Ukraine and Russia. A spurious claim of authority.
Russia has defined itself as an Orthodox country. I assume that means that Orthodox patriarchs or whatever they are called get to call the shots on major spiritual issues within Russia and for the whole Orthodox church.
So, to me this looks like camel’s nose under the tent in terms of trying to usurp that role.
Kind of like building a house on another person’s property and saying it was your property the whole time.
Another “crusade.”
“We are here to help you.”
It seems to me that carefully crafted pushback is needed.
this stunt should not be left unchallenged: Silence = consent.
It will be used to mount ever more audacious claims of spiritual authority.
Just my take. I am ignorant on these subjects.
I read the answer to my question and all comments and have reached the following conclusion:
The “West” has gone completely insane. First following the Covid operation, and now following the preventive actions of Russia against the imperial west (Globalists) who intended to finish off Russia;
An example of people who lost it: Brother Bugnolo from Rome knows very well about the taking over of the Church, he also provided useful information about the plandemia, but now he fully supports the ukro-nazis in Ukraine. He is FULLY devoted to this calling. His site shows an article titled: “ICON OF THE HOLY THEOTOKOS, SOFTENER OF EVIL HEARTS, BLEEDS IN NEW CATHEDRAL OF RUSSIAN ARMY”. Try to understand that…
The new Catholic Church (Free-masonry) has really lost its marbles. The events surrounding the Pope Benedict renunciation and the taking over of the Church by Free masons is well documented. That Church is clearly trying to start a Holy War. Perhaps a new Crusade against the devilish Russia?
So here we are: The collective West, at the point of being swallowed by the Globalists, found its wall and is fighting back with all it has, using the body and souls of its slave population. The Church is the latest weapon in its arsenal.
Do you need more proof that this is a war between God and evil? It looks to me that God is having the last word and He is having a good laugh… Lets be optimistic and rejoice with Him.
It is perfectly
This is an interview by Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate of Col Douglas MacGregor on the status of the war in the Ukraine.
“Former top Pentagon advisor Col. Doug Macgregor on Russia-Ukraine war”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFngc_8RiVc
It is an excellent corrective as to that status of the war. But the reason I post it on this thread is that near the end of the MacGregor segment (which is about one hour), MacGregor discusses specifically the animus in the State Department (Blinken, Nuland et al.) against the openly declared conservative traditional values of Russia, and the declaration that Russia is a Christian Orthodox country. So he implies, or perhaps states openly that for these people it is a cultural war and they are true believers in the “globohomo” view of society.
Whether they are actually sincere or are using this as pretext to balkanize Russia and grab its resources is of course an open question. Humans are good at tailoring their beliefs to their more rapacious agendas.
MacGregor implies that they are sincere and are fanatics about the “save Russia” part of the agenda.
totally offtopic
why did you post that?
The Catholic Church has rejected many of Our Lady’s apparitions . Search the apparition at LaSalette (France) where She painted a very sad picture of the whole Church : Their only ambition being greed pride and lust ;She used the word ‘Cesspool of impurity ‘ This was 1846! In Fatima She came back with a more powerful message : That the Catholic Church had lost it’s mandate and that Jesus had decided to renew His Church with a completely new hierarchy . This Secret was to be made public in 1960 .No wonder They refused to reveal it, and later made-up a fake “Secret” . But Since 1960 , The official Roman Catholic Church is not the Church of Jesus Christ anymore. Our Lady came back in Garabandal (spain) with the same message ; it was rejected and silenced. God is going to intervene soon in His Church and show that He is always in charge . If anyone wishes to know more on this topic I can provide you with ample info .
Raphael, please stop your propaganda or be banned.
Last warning
Andrei
I consider this event as a direct magical attack on Russia. I mean, really magical.
Some of more informations relevant to such concept found at
https://novusordowatch.org/2022/03/francis-to-consecrate-russia-and-ukraine
Found several other links too but they are already down in the comments so I will not repeat them.
Do not underestimate cultists! This conflict is a religious war since 2013 already. Same as it was in 1914.
Agreed, they’re desperate enough to engage in unholy witchcraft. Because that’s all what is left to them.
As usual, they picked the wrong time, the wrong date, and the wrong place to attack to. Not to mention there is zero papal (real or fake) jurisdiction on orthodox lands.
This should -and will!- blow back massively at their faces. Or bottom parts, depends how one looks at it… :-)
Don’t worry. It won’t work. Here’s a devout and well informed Catholic who explains why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAQOh8faoVA
Anything made by Bertoglio is void. However Maria is a mother and transcended her human condition, she is very attentive to humanity spreading graces to anyone asking with pure heart and faith, I wish our orthodox Christian brothers would accept that much. Penance, prayer and suffering are not more human than charity, empathy and the desire to spare our children the pains of the world. Mothers can’t save us, but can ease our pains and sacrifice themselves to protect us. No harm would come from consacrating Russia to Maria.
The vision at Fatima is the primary reason why I left Catholicism and became Orthodox. It seems so clearly diabolical to me and those priests who agreed were too frightened to speak out. The devotees of this vision, the Fatimaniacs are beyond crazy, they understand God to be a ruthless tyrant who constantly needs appeasing with acts of sacrifice. They are permanently miserable and never praise God. It all feels realy cultic and I do believe it has done as much to destabilise Catholicism as modernism has done.
The consecration is a meaningless act. But our ‘Champion Leader’ the mighty Theotokos loves all her children and these prayers will be answered, just not perhaps in the way they are expecting.
The vision at Fatima is the primary reason why I left Catholicism and became Orthodox. It seems so clearly diabolical to me and those priests who agreed were too frightened to speak out
That is, of course, what it was. We were told by Christ that we can recognize a tree by its fruits.
That applies to the so-called “visions”
and to the Papacy itself.
Pure, unadulterated, satanism.
Hopefully, this isn’t some kooky catholic/banderite attempt to stir up some bs crusade against Russians and the orthodox faith.
Take it as a move from a desperate man.
The Holy Mary appeared several times. Once (I forgot or never got correctly the exact time and place) she announced that if Russia is consecrated to her, Russia will save the world. My bet is that declaration has been taken seriously. I wish it works because we could seriously be all f…d up. It would be a place where the living would envy the dead. The pope Francis decided to proceed accordingly. It should have happened a long time ago and it was up to the sitting pope. Never happened in that form. A half hearted consecration has been done before. Again, don’t bother asking me the details.
You take it as a joke. I see despair in action. The pope could actually be at loss and he is supposedly infaillible about religious questions.
Yes Didier, prophesy says in the end the pope will understand his error, make the consecration, but it will be too late, he will be martyred, Rome will be destroyed, several countries will disappear.
When this war gets to Rome it will go world wide and nuclear.
But in the end Her Immaculate Heart will triumph.
God has got this but his chosen daughter Mary is our only recourse now.
Looks like the pope finally understands he sold out to the antichrist, one worlders, and march 25th, (the annunciation of the birth of Christ to Mary for catholics), he will try to correct that error.
So the day she got pregnant by God as announced by the angel Gabriel, we will try to destroy the root of communism by consecrating Russia.
Look at the apocalypse of John, one of the horns will be cut off but another will spring up in its place. Canuckistan has a little horn, trudy for example, and we know of many others. Watch that prophesy happen in real time.
Countdowntothekingdom.com look at the timeline, read luz and fr rodrigues
It’s a hail mary pass!
I cannot adequately express the seriousness of this to the whole world
Neither can I
Thierry Meyssan has an article on this well worth a look: https://www.voltairenet.org/article216108.html
I am a Catholic. Pius XII, who was certainly a real Pope, consecrated the “Russian peoples” to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in July 1952. (In another letter he had praised the Marian piety of the Russian people, mentioning the icons kept in their houses–usually in secret.)
After the consecration the Korean armistice occurred, then the death of Stalin in 1953, and then the Kruschev thaw, etc. I believe this contributed to the end of Communism in Russia.
To consecrate means to set aside for a holy/sacred purpose. It is not an act of rebuke. it means that the Russian “peoples” (which could include Ukrainians) have a noble and holy vocation. Perhaps they will rid the world of the NWO, secular-humanist, lgbtq, financial/cultural tyranny that we see exemplified in Zelensky, the US elite, etc.
WHO THE HELL DOES THE POPE THINK HE IS TO “CONSECRATE” SOMETHING WHICH DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM???
/debunking-the-fatima-hoax/
Andrei
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The Pope is the representative of Christ on Earth. One of Christ’s titles is “Father of the World to Come”– since he is the author/father of the salvation which is completed in Eternity. The Pope as Christ’s representative is also, in a way, “father of the World to come.” Now the whole of the human race has been summoned to/ordered to Eternal Life with God. (Whether each man attains that end is another question.) *Thus the whole human race has been entrusted to Christ as author of their salvation and, therefore, to the Holy Father (“Pope” means “Father” of course) as Christ’s representative.* Thus the whole human race “belongs”, in a way, to the Pope, as the *spiritual father of mankind.* He is responsible for promoting the salvation of all, just as a good father seeks the happiness of all of his children.
Pius XII even (supposedly) spoke of the very non-Catholic Stalin as “our son”, when he heard of Stalin’s famous “How many divisions has the Pope?” : “When you see Our son Joseph again tell him that he will meet our divisions in heaven.” Rather optimistic about where Joe would end up, but OK.
I might add that the Pope is the father especially of the baptized, even if they do not acknowledge him as Father.
If, as the eastern orthodox churches believe, the Pope lacks the authority/status to consecrate, then his consecration of Russia should be regarded as ineffectual or as a harmless good will gesture.
Just to make it clear: I do not believe that Francis is the Pope, so I am skeptical as to whether this will do much good. But, Francis aside, there are many good and pious people who will be praying for a just peace (the only real peace), and *their prayers will work in Russia’s favor, since Russia’s cause is just.*
The Pope is the representative of Christ on Earth.
There we GO!!!
Pure Papism at its best.
Who needs to Papal Dictates when folks like you openly post that kind of truly insane propaganda???
The Orthodox miracle of Damascus, “Remember the light that came from the east.”
https://soufanieh.com/
Father Madj, Orthodox Bishop… on Our Lady of Soufanieh
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWd5YJ608FY
http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/akita.htm
In light of Japans 7.3 earthquake today I was reminded of Our Lady of Akita who said, “Fire will fall from the sky”, because of our sins, homosexuality, etc….
In 2019 the nun had another apparition calling for sackcloth and ashes.
To understand this, consult Thierry Meissan, voltairenet.org. I hope It Is avoided. Cheers!!
https://najumary.kr/English/
Our Lady of Naju, (Korea) has a most apocalyptic message. Warning, much blood etc in link.
Same basic message, conversion, prayer, sacrifice, holy mass.
The point is that without heavenly intersession, we are imminently doomed. And the only way to get help is pray etc.
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Why are you so concerned about this? It can’t do any harm can it?
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Jose Bergoglio is invoking Crusader language. Tell me what happened to the Orthodox then?
And he is using the Theotokos but inwardly he is invoking the mother goddess/fertility goddess. It is very occult.
and the announcement was on Purim, right?
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Putin knows of this and Francis refused to discuss the consecration when Putin visited the Vatican in 2016. This consecration is likely a very good thing. It means God will be on Russia’s side now. Most traditional Catholics fear Pope Francis will anger God for this decision because of his past heresy and the likelihood that Pope Benedict was removed from office by force. I am praying God will tolerate this and give humanity the full benefit of the consecration anyway.
The Fatima prophecy is now 105 years old. The Church has dissimulated, lied, and obfuscated this request from the Blessed Virgin for the entire 105 years. Every known secret from her apparitions at Fatima has come true during that time. Traditional Catholics believe this prophecy to be the single most important prophecy of modern times and all other apparitions since then have echoed her requests and lamented the church’s failure to bring them about. It is intended to avert a third world war and was also originally intended to prevent the spread of communism as she appeared during the October Revolution of 1917. Russia figures prominently in the Fatima prophecy and is recognized by her as the third Rome, even if she didn’t say so outright. The Blessed Virgin also said that Russia would return to Christianity and become the Hammer of God. This appears to be happening now.