By Dmitry Orlov and posted with special permission
A terrible war is about to erupt on Russia’s border with the Ukraine—or not—but there is some likelihood of a significant number of people getting killed before project Ukraine is finally over. Given that around 13 thousand people have been killed over the past seven years—the civil war in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine has gone on for that long!—this is no laughing matter. But people get desensitized to the mostly low-level warfare. Just over the past couple of weeks a grandfather was shot by a Ukrainian sniper while feeding his chickens and a young boy was killed by a bomb precision-dropped on him from a Ukrainian drone.
But what’s about to happen now is forecasted to be on a different scale: the Ukrainians are moving heavy armor and troops up to the line of separation while the Russians are moving theirs up to their side of the Ukrainian border, a position from which they can blast any and all Ukrainian troops straight out of the gene pool without so much as setting foot on Ukrainian territory—should they wish to do so. The Russians can justify their military involvement by the need to defend their own citizens: over the past seven years half a million residents in eastern Ukraine have applied for and been granted Russian citizenship. But how exactly can Russia defend its citizens while they are stuck in the crossfire between Russian and Ukrainian forces?
The rationale of defending its citizens led to conflict in the briefly Georgian region of South Ossetia, which started on August 8, 2008 and lasted barely a week, leaving Georgia effectively demilitarized. Russia rolled in, Georgia’s troops ran off, Russia confiscated some of the more dangerous war toys and rolled out. Georgia’s paper warriors and their NATO consultants and Israeli trainers were left wiping each others’ tears. Any suggestion of arming and equipping the Georgians since then has been met with groaning and eye-rolling. Is the upcoming event in eastern Ukraine going to be similar to the swift and relatively painless defanging of Georgia in 2008? Given that the two situations are quite different, it seems foolish to think that the approach to resolving them would be the same.
Is it different this time and is World War III is about to erupt with eastern Ukraine being used as a trigger for this conflagration? Do the various statements made at various times by Vladimir Putin provide a solid enough basis for us to guess at what will happen next? Is there a third, typically, infuriatingly Russian approach to resolving this situation, where Russia wins, nobody dies and everyone in the West is left scratching their heads?
The Ukrainian military is much like everything else currently found in the Ukraine—the railway system, the power plants, the pipeline systems, the ports, the factories (the few that are left)—a patched-up hold-over from Soviet times. The troops are mostly unhappy, demoralized conscripts and reservists. Virtually all of the more capable young men have either left the country to work abroad or have bribed their way out of being drafted. The conscripts sit around getting drunk, doing drugs and periodically taking pot shots into and across the line of separation between Ukrainian-held and separatist-held territories. Most of the casualties they suffer are from drug and alcohol overdoses, weapons accidents, traffic accidents caused by driving drunk and self-harm from faulty weapons. The Ukrainian military is also working on winning a Darwin award for the most casualties caused by stepping on their own land mines. As for the other side, many of the casualties are civilians wounded and killed by constant shelling from the Ukrainian side of the front, which runs quite close to population centers.
The Ukrainian military has received some new weapons from the US and some NATO training, but as the experience in Georgia has shown, that won’t help them. Most of these weapons are obsolete, non-updated versions of Soviet armaments from former East Bloc but currently NATO nations such as Bulgaria. These really aren’t of much use against an almost fully rearmed Russian military. A lot of the Ukrainian artillery is worn out and, given that Ukrainian industry (what’s left of it) is no longer able to manufacture gun barrels, artillery shells or even mortar rounds, this makes the Ukrainian military quite literally the gang that can’t shoot straight. It’s a great day for them if they manage to hit a kindergarten or a maternity clinic and most of the time they are just cratering up the empty countryside and littering it up with charred, twisted metal.
In addition to the hapless conscripts and reservists there are also some volunteer battalions that consist of hardcore Ukrainian nationalists. Their minds have been carefully poisoned by nationalist propaganda crafted thanks to large infusions of foreign (mostly American) money. Some of them have been conditioned to think that it was the ancient Ukrs who built the Egyptian pyramids and dug the Black Sea (and piled the left-over dirt to build the Caucasus mountain range). These may or may not be more combat-capable than the rest (opinions vary) but, much more importantly, they are a political force that the government cannot ignore because they can quite literally hold it hostage. They have been known for stunts such as shelling the offices of a television channel whose editorial policies they found disagreeable and physically assaulting a busload of opposition activists.
It is these Ukro-Nazi zealots that stand directly in the way of any peaceful settlement of the situation in eastern Ukraine and an inevitable eventual rapprochement between the Ukrainians and Russia. There is a deep and abiding irony in that these über-antisemitic Ukro-Nazis are about to be ordered into battle against Russia by a Jewish comedian (Vladimir Zelensky, president) who got elected thanks to a Jewish oligarch (Igor “Benny” Kolomoisky). Are they going to be annihilated? Quite possibly, yes. Will their annihilation make Ukraine and the world a better place? You be the judge. To the Russians these Nazi battalions are just a bunch of terrorists and, as Putin famously put it, it is up to him to send terrorists to God and then it is up to God to decide what to do with them. But there is a more efficient strategy: let them remain somebody else’s problem. After all, these Nazi battalions have almost zero ability to threaten Russia. Eventually the Europeans will realize that the Ukraine must be denazified, at their own expense, of course, with Russia offering advice and moral support.
To understand where this Ukrainian nationalist menace came from without venturing too far down the memory hole, it is enough to appreciate the fact that at the end of World War II some number of Ukrainian war criminals who fought on the side of the Nazis and took part in acts of genocide against Ukrainian Jews and Poles found a welcoming home in the US and in Canada, where they were able to feather their nests and bring up the next several generations of Ukrainian Nazis. After the collapse of the USSR, they were reintroduced into the Ukraine and given political support in the hopes of thoroughly alienating the Ukraine from Russia. In the course of serial color revolutions and unending political upheaval and strife they were able to become prominent, then dominant, in Ukrainian political life, to a point that they can now hold the Ukrainian government hostage whenever it fails to be sufficiently belligerent toward Russia, to maintain strict anti-Russian censorship in the media and to physically threaten anyone who voices disagreement with them.
Russophobia and belligerence toward Russia are, in turn, all that is currently required of the Ukraine by its US and EU masters, who wish to portray the Ukraine as a bulwark against a supposedly aggressive Russia but in reality wish to use it as an anti-Russian irritant and to use it to contain (meaning to restrict and frustrate) Russia economically and geopolitically. To this end the Ukrainian school curriculum has been carefully redesigned to inculcate hatred of all things Russian. The Ukraine’s Western mentors think that they are constructing a pseudo-ethnic totalitarian cult that can be used as a battering ram against Russia, along the lines of Nazi Germany but with much tighter external political control, or, to use a more recent, updated CIA playbook, along the lines of Al Qaeda and its various offshoots in the Middle East.
The rationale that’s used to serve up all this is “countering Russian aggression.” But it is inaccurate to describe Russia as aggressive. It is much closer to the truth to describe it as, by turns, assimilative, protective and insouciant. It is assimilative in that you too can apply for a Russian citizenship based on a number of criteria, the most important of which is cultural: you need to speak Russian, and to do so convincingly you have to assimilate culturally. If an entire Russian-speaking region starts waving the Russian tricolor at rallies, singing the Russian anthem and then holds a referendum where a convincing majority votes to rejoin Russia (97% in Crimea in 2014), then Russia will annex that territory and defend it. And if lots of people in a Russian-speaking region individually apply for Russian citizenship, swear allegiance to Russia and are issued Russian passports, then Russia will try to defend them individually against attack.
All would be sweetness and light with this scheme of voluntary accession if certain Russian regions didn’t periodically start demanding independence or if the Russians themselves didn’t periodically shed their self-important and ungrateful dependents. As this has happened, Russia has granted them sovereignty, which, more often than not, they didn’t know what to do with. At various times, Russia has freely bestowed national sovereignty on a whole slew of countries: Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, the Ukraine, Moldova, Bulgaria, Rumania, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kirghizia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan… For some of them, it granted them sovereignty several times over (Poland seems to be the prize-winner in that category). The political elites of these countries, having become used to suckling at Mother Russia’s ample bosom, naturally look for someone new to invade and/or liberate them and then to feed them.
After the collapse of the USSR, their new masters naturally became the US and the EU. But as these newly sovereign nations soon found out, not as much milk has flowed in their direction from their new masters, and some of them have started casting furtive glances toward Russia again. The twentieth century was a confusing time for many of these countries, and many of them are puzzled to this day as to whether at any given time they were being occupied or liberated by Russia. Let us consider, as a mini case study, the three Baltic mini-nations of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. With the exception of the Lithuanians, who had their 15 minutes of fame during their brief late-medieval dalliance with Poland, these three ethnic groups never made good candidates for sovereign nations. They were first dominated by the Germans, then by the Swedes.
Then Peter the Great purchased their lands from the Swedes with silver coin, but after that they continued to toil as serfs for their German landlords. But then in mid-19th century the Russian Empire abolished serfdom, starting with Estonian and Latvian serfs as an experiment. It then introduced compulsory schooling, wrote down the local languages, and invited the more promising native sons to come and study at St. Petersburg. This started them on the way toward developing a national consciousness, and what a headache that turned out to be!
While the Russian Empire held together they remained under control, but after the Russian Revolution they gained independence and swiftly turned fascist. As World War II neared, the Soviet leadership became justifiably concerned over having little pro-Nazi fascist states right on their border and occupied/liberated them. But then as the Germans advanced and the Red Army retreated, they were re-occupied by the fascists/liberated from the communists. But then as the Germans retreated and the Red Army advanced, they were re-occupied/re-liberated again and became, for a time, exemplary Soviet Communists.
And so they remained, occupied/liberated, being stuffed full of Soviet-built schools, hospitals, factories, roads, bridges, ports, railways and other infrastructure—until the USSR collapsed. They were the first to demand independence, singing songs and holding hands across all three republics. Since then they have squandered all of their Soviet inheritance and have progressively shed population while serving as playgrounds for NATO troops who get a special thrill, I suppose, by training right on Russia’s border. Their political elites made a tidy little business of Russophobia, which pleased their new Western masters but gradually wrecked their economies. Having reached their peak during the late Soviet era, they are now hollow shells of their former selves.
And now, lo and behold, an embarrassingly large chunk of their populations is pining after the good old Soviet days and wants better relations with Russia (which, in the meantime, seems to have largely forgotten that these Baltic statelets even exist). Their political elites would want nothing more than for Russia to occupy/liberate them again, because then they could be rid of their noisome constituents and move to London or Geneva, there to head up a government in exile and work on plans for the next round of occupation/liberation.
To their horror, they are now realizing that Russia has no further use for them, while their new masters at the EU are sinking into a quagmire of their own problems, leaving them abandoned with no kind master to care for them and to feed them. They thought they had signed up to administer a vibrant new democracy using free money from the EU, but instead they are now stuck administering a depopulating, economically stagnant backwater peopled by ethnic relicts. In eras past, they would have only had to wait until the next wave of barbarian invasion from the east. The barbarians would slaughter all the men, rape and/or kidnap all the prettier women, and the naturally recurring process of ethnogenesis would start again. But now there are a dozen time zones of Russia to their east and no hope at all of any more barbarian invasions, so all they can do is drink a lot and, by turns, curse the Russians and the Europeans.
The situation is much the same throughout Eastern Europe, in a great arc of semi-sovereign, pseudo-sovereign and (in the case of the Ukraine) faux-sovereign nations from the Baltic to the Black Sea and on to the Caspian Sea and beyond. The many serial occupations/liberations have given their political elites a wonderful weathercock-like quality: one moment they are wearing Nazi insignia and heiling Hitler and the next moment they are good Soviet Communists reciting the 10 Commandments of the Builders of Communism. The Ukraine (getting back to it, finally) is no different in this respect but different in another: by no stretch of the imagination is it even a nation, or a combination, assemblage or grouping of nations; it is, strictly speaking, an accidental territorial agglomeration. As a failed attempt to create a monoethnic nation-state it is a chimera.
The following map, labeled “Dynamics of agglomeration of Ukrainian territories,” shows the process in detail. The toponym “Ukraine” (“Ukraina”) is most likely of Polish origin, meaning “border zone,” and it seems to have first become a thing in 1653 when the red-colored region below decided that it had had enough of Polish Catholic dominance and discrimination (its inhabitants being Orthodox Christians) and chose to rejoin Russia. The region became known as Malorossia, or Little Russia, and the yellow-colored districts were added to it over time. And then, after the Russian Revolution, came the big gift: Malorossia and neighboring districts were formed into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, and to make it something more than just a rural backwater Lenin saw it fit to lump in with it a number of Russian regions shaded in blue. It was this mistake that paved the way to the current impasse in what is but by all rights should never have been eastern Ukraine.
Then, right before, and again right after World War II Stalin lumped in the green-shaded western districts, which were previously part of he Austro-Hungarian Empire. Its inhabitants were Austrian, Polish, Hungarian, Rumanian and most of the rest, though initially Russian, had spent five centuries under foreign rule and spoke a distinctive, archaic dialect that served as the basis for creating the synthetic language now known as Ukrainian, while the rest of what is now Ukraine spoke Russian, Yiddish and a wide assortment of village dialects. It was this alienated group that was used as leavening to fashion a synthetic Ukrainian nationalism. In turn, Ukrainian Bolshevik leaders used this faux-nationalism to fashion the Ukraine into a regional power center within the USSR.
And then came the final mistake when Nikita Khrushchev, very much a product of the Ukrainian regional power center, paid it back for helping to promote him to the top job by giving it Russian Crimea—a move that was illegal under the Soviet constitution which was in effect at that time and a prime example of late Bolshevik political corruption that was undone in 2014 with great jubilation.
There are those who think that the solution to the Ukrainian problem is to take the Ukraine apart the same way it was put together. Behold the following map. Moving east to west, we have the Russian tricolor over Crimea (the only factual bit so far), then the flag of Novorussia covering all those territories that were arbitrarily lumped into the newly created Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by Lenin in 1922. Further west we have the flag of the state of Ukraine. And to the west is the flag of the Right Sector, a nationalist party with distinct Nazi tendencies that is currently active in Ukrainian politics.
I believe that, with the exception of Crimea, this map may very well turn out to be complete and utter nonsense. It seems outlandish to think that the Ukrainian Humpty-Dumpty, which is in the process of being knocked off the wall most unceremoniously by just about everyone, including Russia, the EU and the US, is going to break apart into such tidy, historically justifiable pieces. For one thing, national borders don’t matter so much any more once you are east of the Russian border, all of Europe now being one big unhappy mess. With millions of Ukrainians trying to eke out a living by working in Russia, or Poland, or further West, the distinctions between the various bits of the Ukrainian territory they are from are just not that meaningful to anyone.
For another, all of the Ukraine is now owned by the same bunch of oligarchs whose fortunes are tightly integrated with those of transnational corporations and of Western financial institutions. None of them care at all about the people that once inhabited this region and their varied histories and linguistic preferences. They care about translating economic and financial control directly into political control with a minimum of diplomatic politesse. The Ukraine has been in the process of being stripped bare of anything valuable for 30 years now, up to and including its fertile soil, and once there is nothing left to loot it will be abandoned as a wild field, largely uninhabited.
But we are not quite there yet, and for now the only map that really matters is the following one, which shows the two separatist regions of Donetsk and Lugansk, collectively known as Donbass, short for Donetsk Basin, a prolific coal province that was mainly responsible for fueling the Ukraine’s former industrial might, which to this day continues to produce anthracite, a valuable, energy-rich coal that is now scarce in the world. It is that relatively tiny but densely populated sliver of land along the Russian border, less than 100km across in many places, that is the powder keg that some believe may set off World War III.
The Ukrainian military has been massing troops and armor along the line of separation while the Russian military has pulled up its forces to their side of the border. Shelling, sniper fire and other provocations from the Ukrainian side are intensifying, with the hope of provoking the Russians into moving forces onto Ukrainian territory, thus allowing the collective West to shout “Aha! Russian aggression!” Then they could put a stop to Nord Stream II pipeline, scoring a major geopolitical victory for Washington and follow that up with plenty of other belligerent moves designed to hurt Russia politically and economically.
For the Russians, there are no good choices that are obvious. Not responding to Ukrainian provocations and doing nothing while they shell and invade the cities of Donetsk and Lugansk, killing Russian citizens who live there, would make Russia look weak, undermine the Russian government’s position domestically and cost it a great deal of geopolitical capital internationally. Responding to Ukrainian provocations with overwhelming military force and crushing the Ukrainian military as was done in Georgia in 2008 would be popular domestically but could potentially lead to a major escalation and possibly an all-out war with NATO. Even if militarily the conflict is contained and NATO forces sit it out, as they did in Georgia, the political ramifications would cause much damage to the Russian economy through tightened sanctions and disruptions to international trade.
Those being the obvious bad choices, what are the obvious good ones, if any? Here, we have to pay careful attention to the official pronouncements Putin has made over the years, and to take them as face value. First, he said that Russia does not need any more territory; it has all the land it could ever want. Second, he said that Russia will follow the path of maximum liberalization in granting citizenship to compatriots and that, in turn, the well-being of Russia’s citizens is a top priority. Third, he said that resolving the conflict in eastern Ukraine through military means is unacceptable. Given these constraints, what courses of action remain open?
The answer, I believe, is obvious: evacuation. There are around 3.2 million residents in Donetsk People’s Republic and 1.4 million in Lugansk People’s Republic, for a total of some 4.6 million residents. This may seem like a huge number, but it’s moderate by the scale of World War II evacuations. Keep in mind that Russia has already absorbed over a million Ukrainian migrants and refugees without much of a problem. Also, Russia is currently experiencing a major labor shortage, and an infusion of able-bodied Russians would be most welcome.
Domestically, the evacuation would likely be quite popular: Russia is doing right by its own people by pulling them out of harm’s way. The patriotic base would be energized and the already very active Russian volunteer movement would swing into action to assist the Emergencies Ministry in helping move and resettle the evacuees. The elections that are to take place later this year would turn into a nationwide welcoming party for several million new voters. The Donbass evacuation could pave the way for other waves of repatriation that are likely to follow. There are some 20 million Russians scattered throughout the world, and as the world outside Russia plunges deeper and deeper into resource scarcity they too will want to come home. While they may presently be reluctant to do so, seeing the positive example of how the Donbass evacuees are treated could help change their minds.
The negative optics of surrendering territory can be countered by not surrendering any territory. As a guarantor of the Minsk Agreements, Russia must refuse to surrender the Donbass to the Ukrainian government until it fulfills the terms of these agreements, which it has shown no intention of doing for seven years now and which it has recently repudiated altogether. It is important to note that the Russian military can shoot straight across all of Donbass without setting foot on Ukrainian soil. Should the Ukrainian forces attempt to enter Donbass, they will be dealt with as shown in the following instructional video. Note that the maximum range of the Tornado-G system shown in the video is 120km.
And should the Ukrainians care to respond by attacking Russian territory, another one of Putin’s pronouncements helps us understand what would happen next: if attacked, Russia will respond not just against the attackers but also against the centers of decision-making responsible for the attack. The Ukrainian command in Kiev, as well as its NATO advisers, would probably keep this statement in mind when considering their steps.
The Donbass evacuation should resonate rather well internationally. It would be a typical Putin judo move knocking NATO and the US State Department off-balance. Since this would be a large humanitarian mission, it would be ridiculous to attempt to portray it as “Russian aggression.” On the other hand, Russia would be quite within its rights to issue stern warnings that any attempt to interfere with the evacuation or to launch provocations during the evacuation process would be dealt with very harshly, freeing Russia’s hands in dispatching to God the berserkers from the Ukraine’s Nazi battalions, some of whom don’t particularly like to follow orders.
The West would be left with the following status quo. The Donbass is empty of residents but off-limits to them or to the Ukrainians. The evacuation would in no sense change the standing or the negotiating position of the evacuees and their representatives vis-à-vis the Minsk agreements, locking this situation in place until Kiev undertakes constitutional reform, becomes a federation and grants full autonomy to Donbass, or until the Ukrainian state ceases to exist and is partitioned. The Ukraine would be unable to join NATO (a pipe dream which it has stupidly voted into its constitution) since this would violate the NATO charter, given that it does not control its own territory.
Further sanctions against Russia would become even more difficult to justify, since it would be untenable to accuse it of aggression for undertaking a humanitarian mission to protect its own citizens or for carrying out its responsibilities as a guarantor of the Minsk agreements. The Donbass would remain as a stalker zone roamed by Russian battlefield robots sniping Ukrainian marauders, with the odd busload of schoolchildren there on a field trip to lay flowers on the graves of their ancestors. Its ruined Soviet-era buildings, not made any newer by three decades of Ukrainian abuse and neglect, will bear silent witness to the perpetual ignominy of the failed Ukrainian state.
History is as often driven by accident as by logic, but since we cannot predict accidents, logic is the only tool we have in trying to guess the shape of the future. Rephrasing Voltaire, this, then, is the best that we can expect to happen in this the best of all possible worlds.
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This was a brilliantly written article
I appreciate the analysis.
Today, Biden put more sanctions on Russia. Biden is stupid. And to think the US is behind Ukraine is nothing less than incompetence.
What an embarrassment these political elite are for US sheep..
“And having neo-nazi wolves and NATO a few miles from Rostov and the other South Russian regions”
Good point. The tactic of retreat , scorched earth etc only worked when it stretched the enemy’s supply lines during a land invasion from Berlin or Paris. In this case the enemy is right next door…
What’s the old saying? If you find yourself in a ditch, with a shovel in your hand, and you don’t want to be in the ditch, the first thing to do is put down the shovel!
If the US is fomenting this Ukie operation to induce the RF into a military invasion of the Donbas (ostensibly in order to accuse the RF of “aggression,” which would cancel NS2, create more sanctions, separate the RF from the EU, etc…) then all the RF has to do is NOT invade.
My guess is that, should intensive shelling on behalf of Kiev take place, the RF could simply evacuate those civilians willing to leave, and bolster, supply or otherwise assist the Donbas militia(s) in repelling Ukie attempts at “taking” the Donbas. No invasion necessary, thereby thwarting the US objective.
Everything I’ve read about how the Donbas has been preparing for the last 4-5 years, and how feckless the Ukie forces are tells me that “taking” the Donbas would be no picnic. Outright invasion is not necessary, so why make things more complicated? Simply evacuate and resettle those willing and continue to support (however indirectly or not-so-indirectly) those willing to remain and fight. It is the Russophobes in DC who have the weak hand here. If the RF does everything SHORT of outright invasion, the Empires plans are thwarted.
The empire is and will be desperately pushing the ukronazis to confrontation. The Ukraine is an all over rogue state, similar to those areas controled by the empire proxies, such us Idlib or the Tripoli zone. Even if Putin is set not to fall in the trap, he will be forced to sooner or later. And as Igor Strelkof put it, a war is preferable now than later. Once the Dinistr line reached, including Odessa and rejoined with Trasnistria, Russia will have definetely secured its western front for a hundred years. There is no other way out
I am refering to the mass evacuation of the Serb population from the now Croatian lands. I am not arguing that it was very dramatic, I am just saying that mass movement of civilian population can be done, even with scarce resoursces as was the situation in this Serbian enclave .
Thank You for the article.
as stated :
“infuriatingly Russian approach to resolving this situation, where Russia wins, nobody dies and everyone in the West is left scratching their heads?”
without doubt this is the best possible approach
Am a little disappointed with the quality of comments on this piece.
Mr. Orlov appears to have set himself the task of demonstrating an unexpected “Black Swanny” judo move for which VVP has developed something of a reputation.
Mr. Orlov’s example fits the bill. It is a move of a sort to engage whatever the potential may be to entirely remake the chessboard.
It will likely not prevent the Western media as hybrid warfare extension from screaming bloody murder, but there may be a few greyhairs in the diplomatic and political establishments who prefer this to war.
My take is that insofar as this is likely to have little geopolitical benefit in fact (even if it should in principle), the RF is that much less likely to make that move. But they’ll be hard pressed to top this for creativity.
This is most Pro-Ukronazi articular ever appeared on Saker. Evacuation? Evacuation?
Well, i think every m2 of Russian land is so valuable and it’s worth fighting. Reason is simple, if it doesn’t belong to Russia then it belongs to enemy. Thanks but thanks pan Orlowszky!
I think that only good evacuation in Ukraine is moving of Ukronazis to West, to land Staling gave them and who likes that Borderland it should move to that Ukraine!
Forgotten or conveniently omitted is that the short-lived independent and subsequently militarily conquered Ukrainian National Republic of 1917-1920 thereabout already had borders encompassing roughly the same
borders as current Ukraine. Presumably those were the territories inhabited by a Ukrainian speaking rural population, and there was no need for Lenin or Stalin to “give” any territory to Ukraine or “create” Ukraine.
As for the Holodomor famine, concurrently there erupted a bloodthirsty campaign led by the Russian Pavel Postyshev to destroy the government of the Old Bolshevik Mykola Skrypnyk—with a ferocious suppression
of Ukrainian language and culture and murder of leading Ukrainian communists, in favor of central control and forced uniformity based on the Russian culture and language, reinstating the old colonialist policies of the former tsarist regime, to seek obliteration of all local cultures and languages. The specific anti-Ukrainian policies coming down simultaneously with the famine constitute the argument that this famine did target the Ukrainians in a way that other parts of the population were not targeted.
Imperium brytyjskie, francuskie, amerykańskie, inne europejskie należące już do przeszłości, zbudowano za pomocą siły militarnej.
I starej zasadzie- divide et impera.
Dzięki nastawianiu przeciwko sobie plemion, religii, wykrwawiano w bratobojczych wojnach państwa.
Tak wmanewrowano w walki Wietnamczykow, Koreańczykow, Syryjczykow, Jugosłowian.
Dokładnie to samo odbywa się obecnie na Ukrainie.
Taki jest rownież plan działania ukierunkowany na Rosję.
I nie jest on planem od dziś, tylko od czasow Mahoney’a czy Mackindera.
Czy Rosja Putina powinna ustąpić?
Podzielić los Czechosłowacji, czy indiańskich plemion podpisujących traktaty gwarantujące im pokoj i ziemię, a następnie zdziesiątkowanych i lądujących w rezerwatach?
Moją ulubioną konkluzją na temat zdolności Anglosasow do honorowania traktatow, jest:
“Po uściśnięciu reki Anglosasa, należy policzyć palce, może ktoregoś brakować”…….
Druga konkluzja, to policzenie trupow- w milionach, i przypisanie ich do konkretnych prezydentow rożnych krajow.
W tej konkurencji, rosyjscy przywodcy poza okresem rewolucji, wyglądaja blado.
Amerykańscy sa bezkonkurencyjni.
Tyle z Polski, na ten temat.
Machine translation (good enough, I think):
Британская, французская, американская и другие европейские империи прошлого были построены с применением военной силы.
И старое правило – разделяй и властвуй.
Благодаря противостоянию племен и религий друг другу государства были истощены кровью в братских войнах.
Так маневрировали в боях вьетнамцы, корейцы, сирийцы и югославы.
Ровно то же самое сейчас происходит в Украине.
Это тоже план действий, ориентированный на Россию.
И это план не с сегодняшнего дня, а со времен Махони или Маккиндера.
Следует ли путинской России уступить дорогу?
Разделить судьбу Чехословакии или индейские племена, подписавшие договоры, гарантирующие им мир и землю, а затем истребленные и высадившиеся в резервациях?
Мой любимый вывод о способности англосаксов соблюдать договоры:
«Пожав руку англосаксу, сосчитайте пальцы, может быть, один отсутствует» …….
Второй вывод – подсчитать миллионы погибших и назначить их конкретным президентам разных стран.
В этом соревновании российские лидеры выглядят бледными вне революционного периода.
Американцы не имеют себе равных.
Вот вам и Польша по этой теме.
Yandex translation. Mod:
The British, French, American, and other European empires of the past were built with the use of military force.
And the old rule is divide and conquer.
Due to the opposition of tribes and religions to each other, the states were drained of blood in fraternal wars.
So the Vietnamese, Koreans, Syrians and Yugoslavs maneuvered in the battles.
Exactly the same thing is happening in Ukraine now.
This is also an action plan focused on Russia.
And this is not a plan from today, but from the time of Mahoney or Mackinder.
Should Putin’s Russia give way?
Share the fate of Czechoslovakia, or the Indian tribes who signed treaties guaranteeing them peace and land, and then exterminated and landed on reservations?
My favorite conclusion about the ability of the Anglo-Saxons to abide by treaties:
“Shake hands with the Anglo-Saxon, count your fingers, maybe one is missing”…….
The second conclusion is to count the millions of dead and assign them to specific presidents of different countries.
In this competition, Russia’s leaders look pale outside of the revolutionary period.
Americans are second to none.
So much for Poland on this topic.
Brilliant article, badly needed. Thank you.
Having already expressed my disagreement with the main suggestion of this piece, I’d like to thank the author for this contribution. It is insightful. I fully agree that The Russian Federation shouldn’t and doesn’t want any part of, especially, the western reaches of “Ukraine.” Why would they desire that crotch-flea? Let them form a fledgling nation, call it Ukropia, Republic of Rump Galicia, what have you.
Dmitry’s Russian nationalism is as endearing as it is predictable. The Baltic states are and were better off economically when they were left alone by Russia and they’re doing much better than the so-called mother country. As for the Ukraine, fact is, nobody cares. Russia could occupy it if it wanted, NATO would protest (meekly) there would be some sanctions (like there aren’t already) and in a few weeks everybody would forget this country ever existed.
Like most right-wing (and Russian) commentators, he is mistaken about the supposed weakness of the EU and the countries that joined it. They may not amount to much militarily, but economically and politically, the EU has been a huge success and although Brexit has weakened it somewhat, it is actually serving up a veritable lesson on the benefits of EU membership. If anything is left of the Ukraine after the Russians are done with it, it will probably join the EU too and Ukrainians will then see the economic benefits.
In any case, Russia faces no real threat from the West, its real challenges are in the East, where it has real and simmering territorial disputes with Japan and China, two massive industrial powers that dwarf the tiny Russian economy (about the size of Italy’s). It will be a miracle if it can hold on to to its ill-gotten and thinly-populated Asian colonies amongst the relentless pressure of Asian economic revival.
There is no natural reason why Moscow should be in control of the entirety of North Asia, you can be sure that decolonisation will run its course just as surely as it has in central Asia, and the last remaining European Colonial Power will be sent packing before the century is up.
“Further sanctions against Russia would because even more difficult to justify . . . .”
“Justify” has nothing to do with it. Further sanctions are inevitable. The United States government can just ratched up the propaganda machine ever more, while pressing an already out-of-control situation all the way to the surreal. The Russian cue ball, like its borders, bouncing off World War III, and straight into the sovereign side waste pocket.
The outcome hardly matters at all. At best, the United States has another decade until it becomes a full-on Totalitarian state. The government, to achieve full deniability for what is coming, has delegated trillions of dollars to tech companies to make all the right moves necessary. For example, the Smart Phone, the locus of surveillance, with data collection (all of it personal) for all, a vaccine passport AP (“Papers. Please.”), a GPS system capable of tracking anyone departing their designated lockdown area, along with a digital currency that can be turned on and off at will, to match a digital banking system, will soon make the republic along with Western Civilization, a relic.
I hardly think World War III is anything but a distraction in waiting.
I’m not with Dmitry Orlov on this one. And I think he himself understands that a large-scale evacuation of the Russian ethnics from Donbass would be a colossal blunder. From where I am sitting, we are deep into Cold War 2.0 and any “strategic retreat” would be seen for what it is, that is, running with the tail between the legs. I have a strong feeling that Putin did not play his hand well after Crimea, in not as a minimum securing the northern shore of Azov as the overland corridor to Crimea. Now, he is doing it again. His posture is way too cautious, too accommodating in the face of unprovoked aggression. He should have responded to Biden’s “killer” crack by saying “если он хочет поиграть в свинью, пусть”, he should not have offered to meet him, he should not have even picked up Biden’s phone call before receiving public apology. As for Ukraine, Putin should have made a speech saying that the new situation on the ground, i.e. the Ukrainian military manouevres around Crimea and shelling of Donbass, creates an unacceptable security situation on the ground, in its immediate vicinity, and that Russia reserves the right to respond to in any way it sees fit. Full stop. Lavrov should stop using the creepily abject “коллеги” and “партнёры”, for his western counterparts and use something like “аналоги” or “респонденты” instead. Generally, the less Kremlin talks in this situation, the better. A video of a general or two in RF uniform, touring the shelled residential districts of Donetsk for the Rossija 1 TV news, is about six weeks overdue. Yeah, I am pretty sure there are ways to stop the aggressors, without giving up allied territory. But you have to know how to talk and act tough, at least as tough as Zakharova.
First of all I beg seasoned commenters here will pardon my interest and perhaps consider answering the concerns I have, which will be greatly appreciated.
When it is clear that the little Ukie Biden loudspeaker prezzie, was aping his bossman with hollow bravado, when he recently announced, that “Crimea is Ukraine.” — say for instance, Russia evacuates the people of the Donbass as Dmitry Orlov put forward as a peaceful solution, surely this would embolden the US and its NATO lapdog, which would idiotically assume that Russia lacked the courage to stand up to them, when in actual fact, Russia, as the only wise nation involved in this stinking affair, knows what could inevitably result from a direct confrontation, the consequences of which could be too dire to imagine. So here are my questions:
1) Would Russia still be able to avoid a war with a US and NATO supported Ukraine, or would these fools try to try to then attack Crimea and Russia’s Naval Base? I know Russia has amazing armament (S-500’s) etc which would protect Crimea and I read the other day:
2) That the Kerch Bridge is apparently very well protected.
3) What about Kaliningrad? Could it also come into play– to protect Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet?
4) While Russia’s Black Sea Naval Base is apparently contracted until 2042 — what if the US/NATO begin to mess with Russia’s presence there? — Is this not where the real danger lies for a full-out hot war between Russia and the US, which could then bring in the third major player — China?
5) While it may not be important, but before anything escalates to such a worst case scenario — how would Europe, as a vassal of the West react? — would it even have a choice or have the courage to defy the US? Because as it is, the EU is already at loggerheads about NS2 and definitely EU states would panic like hell — because it would be drawn into and become a theatre for war, yet once again — no question.
And finally, at this point it is summer, but what when the winter comes and EU gas needs become pressing? — Russian gas via Ukraine and NS2 abandoned — goners by then, while I believe US shale-gas ops are apparently in a huge mess and Biden has curtailed US fracking anyway. In any case the EU is apparently not setup to accommodate US liquified gas storage and according to Electroverse predictions — Europe is in for a freezingly cold winter to boot.
@Marlene: “4-While Russia’s Black Sea Naval Base is apparently contracted until 2042 “??
The Sevastopol base as well as the Novorossiysk base (which you do not mention) are both on the territory of Russia: Crimea and Krasnodar Krai.
Novorossiysk from Wiki:
“NSP is the largest port in Russia and the Black Sea basin and the third in Europe. In 2011 it accounted for 21% of total cargo turnover in the country”
“The naval base is equipped with 5 berths (including floating dock) capable to receive up to 100 vessels from 1500 to 30,000 DWT. The submarine base shelters all 7 diesel-powered submarines of Russian Black Sea Navy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Novorossiysk
Dmitri, I always find your perspectives insightful. No one in the Western media has any understanding of what’s really going on over there, and it really does feel like the ‘fog of war’ that led the world into the First World War after one hapless do-nothing finally caught a break and killed the one elite who was actually on his side. I’m starting to feel like humanity is doomed to repeat this moronic cycle of nationalism and violence.
Karta ONZ wyraźnie mowi o prawie narodow do samostanowienia.
Tyle, że niektorym narodom przyzwala się na samookreślenie, innym tego prawa odmawia.
Jedne rewolucje uznaje sie za pełnoprawne, inne są niedopuszczalne.
Dlaczego?
Interesy GEOPOLITYCZNE?
Szukając analogii, czy precedensow.
Oraz, sensownych mitow.
Czy mozna było wykreować mit Alamo?
Czy Można wykreować mit Donbasu?
Przecież sytuacja jest ANALOGICZNA!!
Prawa do własnego państwa odmawia się Tuaregom, Kurdom, Katalończykom, kilku innym zwartym grupom plemiennym.
Pełnoprawnymi kandydatami do suwerenności są Ujgurowie, Tybetańczycy, Czeczeni.
Dlaczego?
Bo są NARZĘDZIEM do destabilizacji krajow macierzystych- jak dotychczas?
Sprawiają kłopoty konkuencji?
Niestety, nie ma praw uniwersalnych, ogolnoludzkich, powszechnych.
I dlatego musi zginąć wielu ludzi.
Machine Translation:
Was it possible to create the Alamo myth?
Is it possible to construct the myth of Donbass?
After all, the situation is analogous!!
The right to their own state is denied to Tuaregs, Kurds, Catalans, a few other tight-knit tribal groups.
Full-fledged candidates for sovereignty are Uighurs, Tibetans, Chechens.
Why?
Because they are a tool for destabilizing the home countries-as before?
Do you give trouble to concurrence?
Unfortunately, there are no universal, universal human rights.
And that’s why a lot of people have to die.
“all of the Ukraine is now owned by the same bunch of oligarchs” JEWISH oligarchs. THAT is who needs to be wiped out ….. where are the HOLODOMOR REMEMBERANCE monuments?!
The Russia hate is another manifestation of Jewish control of America. The Jews HATE Putin & Russia because Putin stopped their looting of Russian assets under the drunk Yeltsin.
Just as they did during the Wiemar hyper inflation in Germany the Jews had money shipped in from overseas and were buying up assets at pennies on the dollar.
That led to huge resentment of Jews in Germany and again in Russia.
The Jewish Deep State behind Clinton sent a planeload of “democracy advisors” to Moscow in the 90’s. They were actually an economic wrecking crew that looted the vulnerable Russian people of $TRILLIONS. The ensuing societal collapse killed ten million Russians (4 million were kids).
99% of bad things you hear about Russia is Jewish smear.
Putin is the only SuperPower leader standing up for Western European CHRISTIAN Democratic Civilization. Merkel and the TREASONOUS Brussels Politicians have thrown open the GATES of the CITY to GENOCIDAL Refujihadi INVADERS who have been pushed that way by US/NATO actions and Israeli deceit. http://investmentwatchblog.com/putin-criticizes-western-countries-for-abandoning-christian-roots/
Putin’s big crime in the mind of our REAL rulers is he did not make any effort to put communism back into place in the former USSR. He made common bond with the Orthodox Christian Church and even encouraged the rebuilding of Christian churches all over the former atheistic USSR. http://investmentwatchblog.com/putin-calls-for-cultural-self-preservation-of-europe-from-impure-globalist-agenda/
From Netanyahu’s infamous “Fink’s Bar diatribe” of 1990
“If we get caught they will just replace us with persons of the same cloth. So it does not matter what you do, America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it is the will of God and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again and again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.”
In spite of being rather serious this is one of the most amusing articles I have read in a long time. Dimitry Orlov is such a brilliant writer.
Still…. it would be a pity if the Donbas republics were evacuated – and what’s more, Odessa etc. should also be able to “find their way back home”. Dismantling the whole thing and giving the parts back to different “owners” according to the wishes of the people living in these parts sounds better to me.
Well… we’ll have to wait and see.
One thing is obvious: The West will cause as much trouble as it possibly can and as usual it is the people who will suffer.
Evacuation seems the likely scenario, but forces the Nazikraine to “win” more territory and expand, then is effectively just as close as they were to Russia (and western countries) all over again. The inaction may force NATO to clean up the Nazi terrorists, but why would they do that when they’re used as attack dogs against Russia anyway. They benefit the western NATO alliance until they turn on their masters, by all means. I would love to see Azov attempt to take Poland and Germany back to form Azov Nazi Party, then the blatant inaction of the US/UK/France, etc. will force them to do something about their dog biting their master.
Like wmw on April 16, 2021 said:
“I nie jest on planem od dziś, tylko od czasow Mahoney’a czy Mackindera.”
How modern people can follow to the false, perverted theories of Mackinder? He took completely wrong conclusions.
If I could, I would force them to thank God every day for what they have, instead to destroy the whole world for false ideas! Or was Mackinder just the symptome, not the cause?
Jealousy is a too bad adviser. Are we not all children of Adam and Eve? Inheritance battles are too stupid!
https://leavebehindabetterworld.com/
https://leavebehindabetterworld.com/a-message-from-jose-silva-jr/
After we will reincarnate in.