Introductory note: I saw the aphorism above spray-painted by some unknown person on one of the walls of my high-school. Of course, it was written in French (“l’éclat des certitudes m’amène à tuer“). Only years later did I understand that it refers to the dangers of certitudes which we often elevate into dogmas and into a valid cause for both physical and spiritual fratricide (this is the sin we commit every time we kill, either physically or spiritually a fellow human being). I think that aphorism is very fitting whenever discussing the issues below.
First, let me begin by an excerpt from the recent 4 hours long Q&A with Putin (emphasis added)
The Russian journalist, Nailya Asker-zade, mentions the topic of the the anti-vaxers.
Vladimir Putin: And not only anti-vax dissidents, there are enough of them both in this country and elsewhere.
What is happening in the world? What are specialists saying? When a sweeping vaccination campaign against the main infections is afoot, it seems that everything is fine and there is no need, as some people believe, to get vaccinated. “Why get a jab? Almost no one is sick.” But as soon as the vaccination level drops to a certain threshold – bang, all of a sudden there is an outbreak and everyone is scrambling to get vaccinated as soon as possible.
We should take our cue from the specialists, not people who do not know much about this matter and listen to rumours. After all, this is happening all around the world. You know, the things I heard: that there is nothing at all, that in reality there is no epidemic. Sometimes I listen to what some people are saying – they seem to be grown-up, educated people. I do not know where they are taking this from. When you tell them that this is happening all over the world, they reply: “Right, country leaders have come into collusion.” Do they have any idea of what is happening in the world, of the contradictions that are plaguing today’s world, where all leaders allegedly upped and conspired with each other? It is all absolute rubbish.
Now that I set the context, I have a simple question for all COVID-dissidents and anti-vaxxers (all restrictions on discussing the medical aspects of COVID (cf moderation rules numbers #19 and #20 are suspended, but ONLY for this comments section, under this post only!!!).
Xi Jinping, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and new leader of Cuba, Díaz-Canel – all agree with Putin. Fully.
Six very different countries, six very different leaders, six very different political and social systems and six totally different economies. Yet they very much all agree with each other.
(Truth be told, all of Latin America – except maybe Bolsanaro – agrees with these six countries!)
So here is my question. There are four logical explanations of this for COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers:
- Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel are all less well informed that we (COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers) are.
- Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel all know the truth, but they are all lying.
- Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel all working with the Great-Replacers and “chippers” from Davos, with the Bohemian grovers, with Bill Gates and CFR, etc. etc. etc. They all want to create a single world government, kill a few billion people and usher in the Times of the Antichrist.
- Don’t confuse me with facts, I got my opinion and, dammit, I am right!!!
Which one do *you* pick?
Personally, it is my choice to trust the best political leaders on the planet, especially when their conclusions are supported by the best (both in quality and honesty!) scientific community on the planet. That will remain my choice until somebody points out to me either evidence that all these leaders are “in cahoots with the Empire” or, alternatively, that the COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers know more about microbiology, virology or epidemiology than the very best Russian (and Chinese, and Iranian, and Cuban, and etc. etc. etc.) scientists.
Furthermore a truism, really, but this logical/common sense rule of thumb seems to be often forgotten today: as Carl Sagan correctly pointed out, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence“. So before you post some absolute nonsense such as “Putin and Biden are in cahoots” (“Putin and Bennett are in cahoots” also qualifies!) or “I know so much more about this virus that the folks at the Gamaleia institute and Vektor virology centers!” I ask you to please keep Sagan’s truism in mind and stop the crazy nonsense! (unless you are a diagnosed narcissist and you absolutely and sincerely believe that you know more than everybody else, including Russian professors and academicians; for you I will make an exception and allow you to post such a claim).
Finally, please don’t waste your (and my) time by insulting me, calling me a “gatekeeper” or an “uncritical Putin fanboy” (oh, I am VERY MUCH a Putin-fanboy, that is true, but I am a very critical one, my articles prove this). Your fellow COVID-dissidents have already called me lots of names, many times, and I already heard it all. Of course, if you sincerely believe that your opinion if single most important thing in the universe (vide supra), by all means, insult me some more (this makes Pareto-optimal-sense I suppose).
However, please don’t send me what I call “divorce letters” à la “since you don’t agree with my views, I will stop reading your blog, posting on your blog or sending you donations“. Not that I mind them, I just find them a waste of everybody’s time. Why? Because this blog is about REAL diversity and REAL pluralism. This is not an “ideologically pure” blog which tries to raise advertisement revenue by catering to a specific population. First, I don’t have advertisements (I *entirely* depend on the kindness of others, all donations I get are 100% voluntary, there is not quid pro quo here!). And if you are such an intolerant bigot that you absolutely DEMAND that the entire human race agrees with you, then I really don’t want you anywhere near this blog.
Just leave quietly and lock yourself in your ideological prison: it may be small and ugly, but all your fellow inmates will be just as “pure” and “right” as you are (yeah!!!). As for donations, I noticed that for every “divorce letter” I get, I also get more people understanding what I am trying to do and offering me their support. And let me also add here that there is no sum of money out there which would convince me to lie or care more about how much money comes in than my personal integrity. Besides, my “trick” is simple: I simply count on God to provide the blog, my family and myself everything we need: my help shall come from the Lord, who made the heaven and the earth (Ps 121:2 LXX).
The Saker
PS: I will add one more thing: I have spoken, at length, to many COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers. I also read a lot of the stuff they sent me (and, believe me, nobody spams you like fanatics, because they really REALLY want/need to convert you to their beliefs!). And while I still am mostly agnostic about most COVID medical aspects (the only thing I am sure of is that it was not a leaked bio-weapon) I can say with absolute certainty: the level of ideological fantasization of COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers is at least as high as it must have been in the Soviet Komsomol or the Hitlerjugend. And yes, it is also at least as intolerant and bigoted as the Homopride/BLM/Antifa crowds. Far from being a triumph for critical thinking and free investigations, the mental world of these folks in straight out of Orwell’s 1984. It is a sad irony that these folks sincerely think of themselves as both “well informed” and “free thinkers”.
PPS: I fully expect this to turn into the usual hate-fest when dealing fanatics. I ask all of you, my friends, not to defend me in any way shape or form. I really don’t care anymore and I expect nothing less :-) cheers
PPPS: I leave you all with a cute image I saw in some Russian outlet (forgot which one)
Translation: Kübler-Ross model five stages of grief for COVID-dissidents: 1. Denial 2. Anger 3. Bargainin 4. Depression 5. Certificate of vaccination
Thanks the Saker for giving us this opportunity. I forgot to put this up on my first coming put inthe haste failed to do
I was one of those, one of those who believed that it was a conspiracy or, in the best of cases, a great business of the pharmaceutical industry (with everything, they can be the same), until I got it and, worst of all, it infected my children. I assure you that we had a very bad time, at times going to definitive situations. Thank God we were able to endure and heal, and we are here to tell our testimony.
I also believe that it is not just about the vaccine and that eventually we are all going to get infected, like with the cold, flu, influenza, etc. (quarantines, social distancing, etc., are to avoid the collapse of the health system); and what will make the difference will be our eating habits, hygiene, physical activity and pre-existing diseases. So, just as we want to save the planet, let’s start by saving ourselves.
I am far from being an anti-vaxxer, so you are probably not addressing me. I get the flu vaccine each year, I recently got a vaccine for the 4 childhood diseases (mumps, measles, german measles and chicken pox) of which I never had any of these when I was a child (or I had them with no symptoms — unlikely).
I have been hesitant to get vaccinated due to what is available. If Sputnik V or some of the chinese vaccines (traditional inactivated virus) were available where I live, I would probably already be vaccinated.
When I hear the European authorities saying “we don’t want to give Russia and China PR victories by using their vaccine” or “By the time their vaccines are approved, everyone in Europe will already be vaccinated” it makes me wonder. They are not saying, we have examined the data around these vaccines and found them to be unconvincing. I did see an editorial letter to the lancet with many mistakes (errors or deliberate lies) warning against Sputnik V. One of the errors was that the Institute did not have a history of developing vaccines. I checked on pubmed and found the first citation in the list of the Gamelya institute was from 1959 (the title was about influenza vaccines, but the abstract was not available online and in Russina). This search took me less than a minute to perform, but perhaps I am much better at using the internet than the author of the editorial, which explains why he did not know this.
Do you really believe all vaccines are the same? We have also been told that there are invisible planes flying for the US military, but you have often suggested that there is some difference between what has been claimed and the real capabilities.
Ok Saker, I wanted a quite and comfortable Saturday morning, but you challenged me by simplifying a very complex issue. Btw, do you agree with the patriarch running around with his mask and churches being closed because of the pandemic?
First, you commit a logical fallacy by dividing the issue into science vs. conspiracy. I concur that many antivaxxers play fast and loose with facts, but there is a very elaborate and astitude counter argument to be made. Second, I concur that the consensus of those leaders is exactly as you stated. Third, I concur that the official “scientific” narrative by hook or crook aka massive and unprecedented censorship is exactly as you stated. Fourth, the intellectual dishonesty is becoming staggering and regrettably, you participate in it by making it a simple black and white issue: Idiots on one side and serious, intelligent on the other. I certainty do not have to remind you, that anything a particular majority of prople holds to be true, is not necessarily true. I will not post the multitude of expert opinion and facts! as you have already made up your mind anyway. In conclusion I just want to state the obvious:
1. The illnesses is manageable, mostly mild as so often concluded by all major health agencies worldwide.
2. After one year, there are working drug protocols to prevent and treat the illness.
3. The facts do not merit the largest medical experiment (with new technology) in human history, which long term consequences, I may add, are ontologically impossible to be predicted at this point in time. It beggars believe, but it seems people like you are ready to throw any conservative principle out the window if enough “serious” people repeat it.
It doesn’t concern me much, if one trillion people are against me, what concerns me is the truth. I was vaxxed against every conceivable illness and I have happily updated my vaxx scheduld with my MD just two years ago. Never was a antivaxxer. What I also certainly am not, is a simpleton as to position myself against or for something just because I do not like something. The vaxx has it’s place, for the right people and right conditions. It is a tool and no fetish. It is a risk / benefit choice any rational man has to make with the help of experts.
PS:
I respect your handling of diverse ideological opinion on this platform. This is the most commendable thing you do and I thank god every day for allowing me to see who I can work with, listen to and converse. This pandemic has unearthed every flaw humans have and I am sure you see it likewise.
PPS:
All I can say to the “serious people” at this point is, not to push the issue radically, because at that point you will have a war on your hand. The powerless always had to suffer what they must, but the table can turn as they say. I will not forget and so will many other people on this planet. I also thank god for this renewed realization.
President Putin asks: “they (Unbelievers) seem to be grown-up, educated people. I do not know where they are taking this (scepticism of Con-19) from.”
I believe neither Con-911 2001, nor do I believe Con-19 2020. I took my scepticism of Con-911 from Saker Vineyard (Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth). And, to answer President Putin’s question, I took my scepticism of Con-19 from another Truther website; namely, OffGuardian. I recommend Saker and readers to consult the archives of this admirable publication, which has articles by reputable medical practitioners. You can make up your own minds, but there is a solid case against this world wide panic over Covid-19. Their argument may or may not convince you, but they are as objective and scientific as the arguments on AE911Truth.
Now we come to Possibility #1 by the Saker:
“1. Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel are all less well informed that we (COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers) are.”
Firstly, this list of World Leaders is incomplete: add The Pope, the Dalai Lama, and just about every other World Leader except the President of BialoRus and a couple of African Leaders (some of whom died suddenly). World Leaders cannot afford to go out on a limb; they carry too much weight on their shoulders. So they tend to go along with “received opinion.”
China is a very special case: it was the object of a bioweapons attack from the U$A; it was fully prepared for such an attack; and it rolled out a magnificent Civil Defense Program which stopped Covid-19 in record time, enabling the Chinese economy to surge ahead. The rest of the word is floundering about, trying to imitate China without having its preparedness. The other unique aspect of China is its vaccine: Sinovac is a perfectly conventional flu vaccine, as safe as all previous flu vaccines. All the other countries, including Russia, have rushed out an insufficiently tested RNA injection which may be dangerous to users in the long run. The Chinese vaccine has low efficacy, because normal flu vaccines have low efficacy.
**You cannot stop a flu epidemic with a vaccine**. The virus mutates too fast.
So the Chinese vaccine is the best: a normal flu vaccine to stop Covid-19, which is no more harmful than a normal flu. I bet the Con-19 “variants” are likewise no more harmful than normal flu virus variants. Flu viruses throw out variants faster than humans can make vaccines. Thank Heaven the flu is not a serious disease — nowhere near as dangerous as ebola — and that includes Covid-19.
President Putin, treading very warily, has gone out on a limb by not ordering the Russian version of Con-19 “vaccine” to be injected without permission by the recipient. I welcomed his courage and his common sense: it is greatly to be regretted that his order is not being obeyed by minor governors in the Russian government. But that is an example of the limitations of World Leaders: they must work with what human material they find around them.
I am in the anti-Covid hysteria camp.
1 – I will go with the concept of throwing the PCR test in the bin and treating Covid symptons with Ivermectin.
2 – Even though this is supposed to be the end of the world pandemic, surprisingly we are only issued with vaccines from the ‘5 Eyes’ producers (try getting Sputnik in Australia).
3 – The mRNA gene editing pretence of a vaccine terrifies me – welcome to the Cytokine storm!
4 – We are forced to endure ‘media’ as a war campaign, the 24/7 cacophony, by the great Wurlitzer, which mirrors the Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction hysteria. Remember that? How did that go? It is called fitting the facts, around the (Covid) policy.
5 – The doctors are forced into silence by the national medical body, who are ruled by the World Health Organisation, who are owned by Big Pharma, who are owned by the debt bankers, who seek to destroy the world with debt in the next decade. And we are supposed to trust the wisdom of the herd? Give me a break! We are supposed to trust people who can combine health/vaccines/population reduction, all in the same sentence!
6 – All I can say now is patience, grasshoppers. India is now doing the grand experiment for us, perhaps as an act of last resort, and no doubt under huge pressure not to do so. There are Indian states now that are starting to hand out Ivermectin by the bucket load. If India becomes relatively free from Covid by Christmas, while the rest of the world is struggling with the Delta (Indian) strain, then there are going to be some red faces in the medical community, lots of lawsuits based on Nuremburg Laws, and politicians running from pitch forks!
We may even get a Christmas apology from the Saker?? Or else we may need to line up for our ‘5 Eyes’ vaccines! Time will tell!
Putin is lying about Covid. He is not misinformed. Whether he is lying because he’s just another agent/ whore of the Bankster Cult or he is playing along with the Covid hoax because he thinks that by doing so, Russia will somhow benefit in the long run, I don’t care. Either way, by perpetuating the hoax he is complicit in the murder of millions and he is complicit in the attempted murder of billions, including myself. Therefore, he is my enemy.
Being the case-hardened cynic that I am the first thing that comes to mind is the Market capitalization of Big Pharma. See Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca figures for market cap. Oh yes happy days are here again for the big Pharma oligopoly. That is just for starters. Next we have a more general massive redistribution of wealth and income away from the 99% and into the pockets of the 1%. The ’emergency’ policies of the PTB have been deliberately skewed so that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Good news for Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk et al. Not so good for everyone else.
The economy in the west has been crashed, small and medium sized businesses (SMEs) are being wiped out and the big beasts in the jungle will buy them up for pennies in the pound or cents in the dollar. This is certainly happening globally for those who apparently don’t have eyes to see. Structural unemployment low wages will be the norm. No trade unions to represent the millions of workers who live from paycheck to paycheck with only a few hundred dollars to meet any emergency. Yes this is going to be a Malthusian wonderland.
And then we come to terrifying creatures like Klaus Schwab and his Great Reset where apparently ‘we will have nothing, but we will be happy.’ Yeah, sure we will.
Oh, yes, I almost forgot. The pandemic. The pandemic will pass, pandemics always do. But it has given the PTB enormous opportunities to restructure the political and social structures of mass societies. If this is not visible then it might be a good idea to consult a specialist.
PS re the tendency of World Leaders to go along with Received Opinion:
““You forget the difference between our two positions: you work only on paper, which offers no resistance to either your imagination or your pen; whereas I, a poor Empress, must write on human skin, which is much more irritable and ticklish.” — Catherine the Great to Denis Diderot “
I had a lot of anger towards the main stream media when they started presenting about Covid with such hysteria and panic in their voices. It felt to me like I was a buffalo that someone was herding over a cliff. I didn’t like the feeling then and I am still uncomfortable with it now.
My interaction with Pfizer medicines before hasn’t been at all positive. I am not an antivaxxer but it seems that especially the m /RNA vaccines which is a new technology are being pushed without enough time to be properly tested. Profit is good for development but can be a corrupting factor sometimes. I would be into having an older style vaccine but as someone pointed out, the Astra has bad press and the others aren’t available in my area.
As much as I don’t want to become a statistic, I will wait and see what the longer term effects of the m/RNA vaccines are and decide when I am ready if I will be vaccinated. That being said I do believe that the bulk of the health professionals are very sincere in their promoting the vaccines but I don’t trust profit focused big pharma one bit.
Some things are certain:
1) There is a disease caused by the novel coronavirus 2019.
2) The Spunik vaccine and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine are similar, and there are few comlains about them. (I’ve taken the J&J).
3) The disease Covid-19 has some peculiar characteristics stemming from the spike protein.
4) The mRNA vaccines inroduce the spike protein into the person getting the jab.
Where there is smoke, there is fire. Something is not right about this pandemic, but the smart thing to do is get the J&J or Sputnik vaccine, wear a mask, and continue on as before.
On the topic of Anti-Vaxx:
You are ignoring the nature of GOVERNMENT. Why wouldn’t governments use vaccines that politically make them seem like “they did something” and thus allow them to get their country (and by extension their country’s economy) back in order at the risk of a few deaths or side effects on the population. Governments have always acted like this. I can’t tell you how good or bad any of the vaccines are. But in the case of Cuba (my native country) I can absolutely tell you they could care LESS about helping the populace one way or another. Their shitty government controlled economy is 100% dependent on tourism and they need to get the vaccination campaign rolling to (among many things) have a political certificate that tells the world’s tourist “it’s safe once again come spend your foreign currency”.
Putting that aside, you can’t blame anti-vaxxers for not wanting to inject themselves with a 1 YEAR OLD vaccine! It’s “crazy” to think the vaccine could have unintended effects or cause unintended health issues??? Oh please.
As to covid not being a human-made/lab-leaked/purposely-spread. There is a high probability that it is natural like you said. But come on Saker, are YOU of all people – who understands the psychology of the Zionist – seriously saying that the zios are incapable of stunt like this? The US is 100% involved in bioweapons research. Their ideology supports any and all “crazy” attack stunts (they DROPPED A NUKE for god’s sake!!! Suddenly the messianic chosen race of god who think their fellow men are dispensable are above false flags and bioweapons??? ). They are also incompetent enough to *accidentally* leak a virus if you want to go this route. Moreover, although less likely, China and Russia are also doing *some* bio research, their ideology and way of acting is much different to the Zios, but there is a possiblity of incompetence Russian/Chinese leak. What’s so unbelievable about that?
In the realm of possibilities, given all that we know about history, government incompetence AND THE PSYCHOLOGY of Zios the probability that the virus comes from a lab IS NOT ZERO. You need more faith to believe a pandemic that started near a bio research lab at the intersection of 3 competing superpowers all involved in bio research can only be 100% “natural” than what the lab-leak people believe.
I do not know what the truth is, all I know is that it is clear we are being lied to.
In a real pandemic everyone knows someone who died.
Pandemics do not follow political divisions either, notably red states with minimal Covid restrictions had identical death rates to blue states with repressive lockdowns.
As for the agreement of world leaders across the board, I can only speculate that the meme is being put to use for their own individual purposes.
Perhaps you have not seen how powerful, arrogant, and mistaken the modern medical system can be firsthand?
In its realms this site is one of the best, but your credulity around vaccines and Covid is perplexing to me.
As I said, I don’t have an explanation for what actually is happening and I dont need one to distrust people and organizations that are clearly lying and/or concealing the truth.
Check out this journal article:
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/51
Scary stuff.
Anyone who thinks the conspiracy nut jobs are crazy.
Just spend 5mins on this site:
https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines
Also worth a visit if you already are a conspiracy nut job. Plenty to feast on here^.
The moment the sheeple realize the conspiracy theorist was right.
“They poise our food to make money? They make war for profit? They decide our opinions, feelings and purchases? They use us as medical guinea pigs? The vaccine company has patented and own us? They made us infertile to depopulate the planet”?
Note how GAVI and Gates exploit Bangladesh poorest people, homeless people, sick refugees on the run, people in prison and African children to their Dr. Mengele for profit experiments.
Today I understand why many people think Hitler was the most civilised of the gang and a fine fellow.
All those leaders, who belong to the few honest in this world, are at the head of countries that have access to non big pharma vax or produce them alone. Sputnik and Sinovac are 100% state funded, Sinofarm comes from a private company but under tight state control (i.e. CCP), so no interest conflicts here and the primary goal is not to make money. Also, none of them contains mRNA or DNA. If one single incident had occurred with one of them, you can be sure that we would be flooded by daily news on how dangerous they are, so I’m pretty sure that the Russians and the Chinese made sure to make them safe enough.
However, what those leaders say cannot apply to us living in the doomed Western part of the World, since all we have here is unsafe and untransparent big pharma garbage. If it were only about getting the first 2 shots, maybe it would be ok, but getting a new dosis of that potential poison every 3 to 6 months…sorry, but no. Too risky for me.
Also, how can we know that it wasn’t a leaked (or purposely released) bioweapon, especially since Fauci leaks? Please note that bioweapon doesn’t necessarily mean that it originated in Wuhan or in China. The first symptoms similar to Covid-19 were observed in the UK several months before the official break out. Especially Western countries have enough motives do do such a thing and could have released it precisely in Wuhan because they knew there is a biolab, as an attempt to 1. harm China 2. blame it on China. While 1. has obviously failed, 2. is still going on.
Please read the Russtrat article about the Great Reset. With China and Russia growing stronger each day, the Western psychopathic plutocrats have realized that they have time only until 2030 to reach their goals of World gov and humanity enslavement, after that it’s over for them. Expect them to try all kind of evil until then to prevent Eurasia’s rise and their own decline, from classics like color revolutions to more “modern” stuff like bioweapons. Another option they might choose is giving up China and Russia because they’re already too strong, while still trying to implement their plans on the parts of humanity they do control (for which covid came as a blessing).
dear Saker, the issue is not about being anti-vaxer or covid-denier. the issue is about the benefit-risk balance of getting vaccinated with new and untested technology (especially for mRNA, but also for adenovirus-based) vs taking an early treatment (ivermectin etc).
i would take one of the traditional vaccins (e.g. all the Chinese ones) only for the sake of making my life easier, but they are not available and not recognized in the West.
so, for someone living in a western country there is really no good option as all western vaccins are based on new and untested technology, while ivermectin and HCQ are not easy to obtain (you need a doctor’s prescription, but doctors are scared to prescribe it).
Dear Saker,
The key point is : is this virus dangerous or not ?
And when you check the numbers, the answer is a huge NO.
Most if not all of the victims where already seriously ill, or above 80. They where dying, from cancer or else and because of a highly dubious test it was decided that they died of covid19.
Yearly mortality rates of countries and of the world did not change. Do you know that ?
Definitively, the virus is absolutely no danger for healthy people. Vaccinate the elderly and the sick if you want to protect them, and stop harassing the others and depriving them of their freedom.
I told the facts, not my opinion. Now, why are Putin and Xi saying the same thing as Biden ? About covid or about the 9/11, or about something else… Why ? Even if the answer is very unpleasant you have to accept it. Come on ! You know the answer but you fail to admit it : They are all gang leaders, often fighting each others for lands and power, but they all agree on keeping the people under their rules.
Nothing scientific at all. Read the Salk’s Institute’s Peer Reviewed study on spike proteins. If you actually researched the material and weren’t so cowardly to offend your idol putine. THINKING humans don’t ” listen ” to anyone. They read the facts and decide for themselves. You’re wrong about this one and so is your dominant, I mean putine. He’s completely lost all respect of millions with his speech. Just put himself on a league with Biden and macron. No facts. Just ad hominem. What does that tell you? You say Putine is intelligent but the minute any politician starts talking about coronaviruses you San see their brain turn off. You yourself with no medical background whatsoever want to wade in as well. Calling people names like antivaxer etc. Some HIGH IQ Humans refuse to be Guinea pigs for billionaires and their pharmaceutical companies. We refuse to he slaves and be told these empty suit corrupt lying good for nothing politicians what we must out into our bodies. Experimental gene therapies. Into pregnant women. You’re all sick. Fcuk this ” blog “.
For most healthy people the use of non-sterilising “vaccines” is outweighed by the increased risk from the treatment.
Far better to use one of the many treatments that have been shown to mitigate the disease, especially used early or preventively.
At June 2021, across the E.U., the U.S.A and the U.K. combined COVID-19 vaccine related deaths stand at over 22,000 with more than 2 million vaccine related injuries as per the voluntary vaccine reporting systems (VAERS, EudraVilligance and Yellow Card) for medical practitioners and the pharmaceutical industry. Per the CDC/FDAs own estimates the VAERS data represents only between 1 – 10% of the potential deaths and injuries (you can do the maths). All three databses are accessible to the public to search, none of the vaccines are safe. For context, in 1976 in the U.S.A. there was a suspected swine flu outbreak, Gerald Ford’s administration rushed their own vaccine rollout to immunise the American public. It was halted after 45 million vaccinations and 52 deaths. There have been more COVID-19 related vaccine deaths than all other vaccine related deaths in the U.S.A. over the past 30 years. That is a huge red flag.
Professor John Ioannidis at Stanford published a study in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation in March 2021 calculating an infection fatality rate (IFR) of 0.15% sampled over 1.5 billion infections. This IFR is on a par with a bad seasonal flu for anyone under the age of 70. The U.K. mortality data comparing average age for COVID-19 deaths versus U.K. life expectancy is 84.5 versus 82.1. Do search the UK’s NHS COVID-19 data, it also poses some very interesting questions.
No-one is doubting whether SARS-COV-2 is real, there are very legitimate serious medical concerns that have been raised regarding the safety of these vaccines (both mRNA and adenovirus vector) by highly qualified professionals in the academic and wider medical communities. For you to issue this blanket, lazy, ignorant, mocking statement is very shocking from an analyst whose past analysis I value, has always been very measured and balanced.
just in us alone already 150 million people are officially vaccinated your death rate of 22000 (total in zone A) is merely a drop in the ocean
Yeah, good unless you are the “drop.”
Remember last year: “not one more death!”
How things have changed!!
22,000 dead? Who gives a f—k?
Dear saker.
Looking at swedish mortality rates over pas 21 years 2020 doesn’t stick out, it is actually the 7nth or 8 th lowest in past 20 years. Pandemic? More like a bad flu. Hospital levels(IVA) have never exceeded max capacity yet. Also the amount of information that has been swiped off the internet if being anti covid is astounding. Never seen this amount of censorship. Have you followed Willam F Engdahl and his articles?
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https://journal-neo.org/2021/05/19/alarming-casualty-rates-for-mrna-vaccines-warrant-urgent-action/
In the fight against the deadly pandemic punters in USA are being enticed with Krispy Kreme doughnuts, pizza, loose joints (Washington State), Shake Shack fries, Amusement Park tickets and a chance to win the lottery (California, Ohio, Maryland) if they only concede to the good sense of having the vaxx.
It is a matter of having trust in institutions. Do you trust your institutions or not? I do not believe in mine for i have seen them operate. Rampant corruption and nepotism have made them unable to operate in the best of times. In the time of crisis? They are headless chickens. Every system in order to operate need certain amount of competent people. What we have now are systems staffed with “right” people instead of capable. Results are what we are seeing.
I would accept Russian or Chinese vaccine. But having no faith in my institutions distributing it how can i be certain what are they injecting me with?
That matter of trust is just another straw on a camels already overburdened back. Camel being the collective west. It is their own citizens time to go the way of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Vietnam, Iran,… List goes on and on. Well the chickens have come home to… That is the best outcome of all in offering. No one is coming to save you-or me. If Russia,China or Iran did that, our masters will just use foreign enemy trick to fool the gullible (which are many)and stay longer in power. So, we either do that ourselves or suffer and or die. We either show we are deserving of freedom or live enslaved. For now the numbers work against us. But the clock is ticking faster and faster. I do not see transition without a chaos, chaos which could have been avoided. But not enough people did what they could (including me) and so here we are.
Me and my family made peace with death during the bombing of 99. We made peace with suffering in the years before and after. Death and suffering are necessary in life if you are to learn anything. There is a saying which etched itself in my mind when i first heard it as a kid. I did not understood it at that time but i did came back to it several times since. Every time i did it became more meaningful. Life is a sexually transmitted disease with 100% death rate.
Dear Saker,
You have wisely kept your site more or less free of this topic.
Now that you mention it, your question is simple, dogmatic, not nuanced, “black or white” and actually quite irellevant to the actual health aspect of Covid and the so called vaccinations, their effecasy and side effects.
Whether Maduro is for the jabs, is not relevant for all the girls who won’t be able to have children as a result of the Modernas mRNA experimental therapy. All the kids who lost their mothers to blood cloth in the brain because of AstraZaneca “vaccine” don’t care if Putin got Sputnik.
The exploding number of cases of heart issues (Myocarditis and Pericarditis) in young men after the Pfizer jab – and they are just starting to give it to young men – cannot be ignored based on the fact that Xi thinks being vaccinated against Covid is good.
The fact that more than half of the new Covid cases in Israel now are amongst fully “vaccinated” Pfizer patients is also a medical, scientific discussion, not relevant to Iran’s response to Covid. All the people who were murdered by the “ventilator treatment” in New York and Italy don’t care if the other part of the world also thinks Covid sucks.
The brutal side effects above are just some examples. The VAERS reporting system in the US (all though manipulated and cases obviously erased with no explanation) shows over 400.000 reports. There are more deaths than the sum of all other vaccine deaths since 1986.
Yes, the Chinese health ministry were present at war gaming the response to a “fictional Corona virus out break” at Event 201 in New York in October 2019. (Please tell me you know all about that seminar.)
Yes, the WHO is very very connected, and funded by Gates. Tedros was a former Gates employee and Michael Ryan was personally hand picked (publically stated) by Gates to “lead Who’s Covid response.
Yes, the WHO sets the guidelines for public health world wide, including China and Russia.
The “multipolar world” has more dimensions. One of them is the medical, technocratic “nomenclatura” that gives advice. The advice and orders have not been scientific, but based in speculation, fear, propaganda and lies. (Mask wearing is just an example). And no, Putin is not a doctor, he gets his advice.
The “they cant all be in on it” is the same argument as the one used by most people who, in spite the obvious evidence of 911, deny it was an inside job. It is just too big to be… too many people would have known… someone would have spoken.
This is not “anti-vaxx” talk.
I believe that the major accomplishment of this pLandemic was exactly to plant a laboratory leak (so much evidence now of it not being a wild virus), make it so easily public as to have security services advise their governments to overreact.
I don’t have the chance to write more about that theory now but please, I jeg… don’t use strawmen. Dont call us “antivaxxers. We are not fanatic (some probably are).
If 90% of the Russian population dont want to get an experimental injection, are they anti-vaxxers? If one is opposed to having “vaccine passport”, health pass, surveillance, contact tracing, medical segregation of vaxxed vs unvaxxed by experimental (Yes they are) technologies… is one anti vaxx?
If one wanders why reputable, Nobelprise winning doctors, scientists, are being censored (like the Great Barrington Declaration, like Robert Malone, Pierre Corry, Gupta, Bakhti, Michael Yeadon, Kim Varming and many many more, etc Why is research on treatment like Ivermectin, vitamine D, Hydroxychloroquine being censored and banned? Is one a “medical conspiracy theorist”?
If one is cautious with the use of antibiotics or psychopharma drugs, is one anti medicine?
If one had had a child who has to live with narcolepsy because of the swine flu shot, and is now cautious of taking more experimental ones… One might be an “anti-vaxxer”, but is one irrational? A fanatic?
I have been a reader of your blog since before Ukraine unfolding. I have bought and read your books. This is the first time you use such strawmaan, adhominem… the firs time you insult your readers… so unfairly.
Some of your articles are still in close memory. One of them was the Submarine in the Desert. Many of us “fanatics”, as you call us, feel like that indeed. We might be wrong, and probably shoukd just fold to the medical tyranny and just get on with it and get an experimental medical treatment. But that discussion is not based on the fact that Maduro or Putin tinks so. And not by being called fanatics.
Thank you for your site, content and insight. It is one of the very few sites I just go to, without being reminded by a newsletter or a Some post. “Let’s just see what the Saker thinks about xyz…” happens often.
But please, when you discuss Covid, the.new.normal, vaccines, health,.. I beg you please use your normal analytical judgement and argumentation. And please dont insult us.
Бог с вани!
Have you seen the vaccine safety data for either Sputnik or the SinoPharm vaccinations? There is a very good reason why vaccines have such long development cycles (>7 years). The speed with which all of these vaccines have been pushed out onto a trusting, compliant public is unprecedented. The phase 3 clinical trials for the Western COVID-19 vaccines are not slated to finish until 2023, all these are therefore experimental by definition. In medical ethics, there are two fundamental concepts, the first is ‘do no harm’ and the second is, ‘informed consent’. The mass coercion of the general public to accept these experimental vaccines is a breach of the Nuremberg Code that was put in place after WWII so that the crimes committed from Nazi medical experiments would never be repeated.
What clinical trials, if any, have been conducted in Russia or China? I would not be surprised if zero in China given the authoritative nature of the CCP and I have no idea for Russia. The geopolitical calculus of using Sputnik to win international influence will not have escaped the Kremlin but the U.S.A./U.K. are just as guilty of this.
There have been multiple trials proving beyond dispute the efficacy (up to 85%) of existing, readily available off-patent medicines (Ivermectin, HCQ) against COVID-19. All discussion of these drugs is blanket censored in the west and many doctors have been threatened with losing their medical licenses if they implement such treatments. These are unprecedented times we are living in.
Both the Russian and the Chinese vaccines are built on old, tried and tested methodology. (It does not make me like vaccines because I don’t but let’s just get our facts right).
But Sputnik V inserts DNA to induce the production of the spike protein. That is not old methodology, that is still gene therapy delivered by an old method as opposed to mRNA package. Isn’t that true ?
Bravo
Saker,
is there a need that I report what I am doing in my bedroom? NO. So I don’t.
Is there a need that I report about my thoughts about God, religion etc. NO. So I don’t.
So why do you have to break your own rules on this blog and talk about Covid?
Can’t you see the Covid MEME out there? And you too now help it spreading and mutating. Like every other idiot out there who thinks he must throw around his comments about it. Stop talking/writing about this MEME and we’ll live happily thereafter. Of course, the seasonal flu will be back … but we all know that beast, don’t we? Life has risks, doesn’t it?
Putin, Maduro and the others have the NOT FOR PROFIT adapted flu vaccin.
Where I live, in Belgium we have only the FOR PROFIT Bill Gates vaccines, the experimental rmna vaccins.
We know that young people have not so much to fear from Covid, comparable to or even less then the flu, and we also know that the side effects from the BillGates vaccines are stronger among the younger people.
So why vaccinate young people?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/young-people-may-have-more-side-effects-from-the-covid-vaccine-doctors-explain-why/ar-BB1ehSa8
We know the BillGates vaccins have side effects, and we now also know why:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin
We do not know the long term side effects of this largest medical experiment on humanity ever though.
One such a side effect that you do not notice right away is that the culmination of high concentration of spike protein (poison) in testes and ovaries. (see article above)
Meaning that our young people culminate more and more and more poison in their testes and ovaries after every update for Covid-20, 21 etc.
Why do we even risk the future of our young people, because old people may die?
And what are these old people afraid of, if they are vaccinated?
Furthermore, if I just browse a little over the internet, and I compare the numbers of fatalities of for example Brasil, that did nothing, and Belgium, that did a semi lock-down (Supermarket open, mam and dad shops closed), we saved 0.05% of the people, is 5 on 10000 people.
And ruined the economie of thousands of people, and provided the 0.0001% shareholders of the money printing press with more dividend money. (high tech slavery for the generations to come)
We also know that we cannot trust the pharma industry.
To give an example:
In the Netherlands there has been an investigation about the use of hydroxychloroquinine.
Because all the hospitals did not exactly know what to do in the beginning of the epidemy, they all did something different, so we could lay the results next to each other.
conclusion:
hydroxychloroquinine (NOT chloroquinine) works for over 50 percent less intensive care, and less mortality, IF and only IF started early enough, and not in overdosis.
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32175-5/fulltext
The response of the dutch government is prohibit doctors from curing patients with hydroxychloroquinine:
https://www.igj.nl/actueel/nieuws/2021/03/25/boete-voor-artsen-die-hydroxychloroquine-of-ivermectine-voorschrijven-tegen-corona
So forgive me for NOT trusting the zombievaccin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYI-dC9G0us
you can listen to this if you have time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6TnimRCOYQ&t=65s
Let’s see, when did a new version of the pandemic come into effect 2009. Which organisation created this new definition of the pandemic answer the WHO.
Where does the majority of the funding for it come from answer predominantly the international pharmaceutical corporations.
How do they know people have the SARS-CoV2 virus, answer they usually test people with a PCR test. Is this test reliable answer no it’s unreliable at the CTS it’s being used at.
Which people are are most susceptible to dying from Covid-19 answer the over 80s with one or more serious illnesses such as cancer, dementia, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s etc. What are the survival rates for Covid-19 answer approximately 99.8%.
Are these experimental gene therapy “ vaccines “ safe in the medium or long term answer nobody knows since there have been no medium or long term trials no independent scientifically peer reviewed papers and so far about 6,000 in the US, about 15,500 in Europe, 1,402 in the U.K. plus many more around the world have died within a short time after having this experimental gene therapy “ vaccine “.
Qui Bono, International Pharmaceutical corporations, international pharmaceutical corporations, Wall Street, City of London and very wealthy trillionaires, billionaires plus the people who want to impose a totalitarian state in many countries.
what is 0.5% of death rate of totally infected? if you got 10 million people sick that is 50000 dead right off the bat. The problem is not about the small percentage. The problem is logistics. How many funeral facilities you need? How much medical personnel to handle a tiny percentage of the onslaught of so many of 10 million who are serious enough to seek help? You think 0.5% death rate is small. Wait until you got hit with something like Ebola – then this COVID may look like a child’s play.
Do not let the small percentage blind you to on-the-ground reality. Everything in life has to be studied with context and logistics always play an important role in survival.
Hmm, it seems your maths are faulty because 100 – 99.8% = 0.02 %. Let’s put that into context the total number of fatalities from Covid 19 from March 2020 to June 2021 is 3,945,728. Total number of deaths in the World in the same time frame is approximately 90,000,000 which means Covid 19 accounts for about 4.4% of the deaths in the world. In comparasion, heart disease accounts for about 16% of the deaths in the world or about 15,000,000 deaths. Now, let’s see how many people died from influenza and pneumonia, which mysteriously disappeared from the statistics of many 1,000,000 fatalities that has disappeared. Well, we are not dealing with Ebola, we are dealing with a virus which requires misleading statistics, a coordinated propaganda campaign and the corruption of medical bodies and personnel to create a “ pandemic “.
you are missing the big picture. your heart disease afflicted death figure is the total and it does not tell you what is ths distribution of that within a year. how is that going to work out for you if all of them die in a matter of 3 weeks? that is my point. again covid death is not evenly distributed over the world and over the year. some places probably don’t see much mayhem while others are pressed. talking of total hides out the extent it ravages on a given community.
it does not take much to completely paralyze the medical system in a given place. A good example has just been taking place in India cities.
Can mRNA eventually make better humans in terms of strength/intelligence?
What if this is the onset of a long term attempt to advance in the ruling of the world, not by better weapons but by population enhancements. A complete change of paradigm in war strategies. A race of races.
Nuclear weapons took us to a deadlock of mutual assured destruction (and surely global assured destruction). Perhaps population enhancements is the way out of the deadlock, to stay ahead of the rest, in a non-destructive or non-mutually-destructive fashion.
At the moment, I’m not anti-vaxxer neither COVID-dissident, but keeping one eye opened.
The main fact is that in the autumn 2019 a new coronavirus the Sars-CoV-2 appeared. It has remained hidden till the beginning of 2020 and the courageous revelations of Dr Li Wengliang. Its transmissibility beetwen humans had first been denied by chinese experts till the explosion of the Covid19 epidemy, February 2020. It was too late to avoid a world spreading.
In january 2020 the genome of the Sars-CoV-2 has been deciphered by the chinese and this was the beginning of the knowledge of this very new coronavirus. It must be reminded of that at this time there was exactly no expert of this new coronavirus and its associated desease.
This question is entirely of a scientific domain. And it must be treated on a scientific basis and not with political arguments like in the quoted Putin’s speech.
And there are many political interventions with regards this Covid19 epidemy.
The first one including Putin is the censure about the origin of the Sars-CoV-2.
1) very hastily a direct zoonotic origin of the Sars-CoV-2 has been imposed in the mainstream media.
2) The denying of this theory has been harshly stifled and denigrated.
3) One and half year after there is exactly zero evidence of this zoonotic origin. About this origin only two possibilities remains: a development in the human from a bat virus. The RatG13 has been mainly considered in this option. And a coronavirus fabricated in a Lab by bio engeneering.
4) mid 2020 there has been a very important study by the australian Professor Dr Nikolai Petrovsky about the energy of the binding between the spike protein and its furin cleavage with the hACE2 receptor has been issued. Its result was stunning. The energy was so high that the ability of the Sars-CoV-2 to infect the human was very high as well. Dr Petrovsky has commented his findings saying that the Sars-CoV-2 is “exquisitely adapted to humans”. This study is very often reffered at in scientific publications on the Sars-CoV-2
5) That a high level Bio Lab has the ability to create such a virus by bio manipulation is evident.
6) Studies of the Sars-CoV-2 genome have led many biologists to suspect bio manipulations. The story of Professor Montagnier telling this in an interview has nearly thrown him in a psychiatric hospital.
7) Studies about “gain of functions” for the bat coronavirus in the P4 Wuhan laboratory has been recently revealed.
So the Sars-CoV-2 is a lab creation.
Also on this scientific approach.
1) The data for the public are deliberately obfuscated. There is not a clear definition of what is a death provoked by the Covid19. Many deaths are due to collateral issues. In Brazil the health condition of the people is very bad due to the hardship of the life for many in this country. Covid19 a severe desease, so if you are pledged with health problems, lungs, kidneys …. the odds of your death are very high if you catch the Covid19. Hence it is impossible to have a clear idea of the death rate related to Covid19. The ratio spans from about 0.5 % to 2%.
2) so it is very difficult to evaluate the advantage of the vaccine. Taking into account the facts that it is not hundred % efficient, that the trials has revealed that if you are vaccinated with the BioNTech vaccine and catch the Covid19, the death rate is higher.
3) For certain part of population or in countries like Brazil the advantage of a vaccine is evident. For the young people vaccination is very questionnable.
3) In the quoted speech from Putin there is a common error. Vaccination doesn’t impede the virus transmission. So there is no ground to blacklist the persons who don’t want to be vaccinated.
There many other scientific arguments about this question. Which is pledged by systematic political interference. Exclusion of biologists, virologists, immunologists who have a personnal view which is not in agreement with the official version and, on the other hand, the promotion of official experts whose contradictions, wrong assertions, bashing of recognized colleges have degraded there credibity, leave no way for the common people to have any clear understanding of the situation.
And there are also manipulation at a scientific level like this fraudulous publication of the Lancet against Chloroquine.
Thanks for this opportunity to exchange arguments on this delicate subject.
this is a very good balanced comment. The one thing that is missing here and everywhere is the question of the immunity system. What is the present condition of our immunity system. There are studies that show that is in poor condition. Without an in depth study about the condition of our immunity system all the talk about Coronna is very relative. The foremost thing to do is to build up our immunity, how to do it what to avoid. If someone can write a page long article on that that would be very helpful.
Someone made a comment to the effect that the real “Saker” seems to have disappeared and the site has been taken over by someone else. To that I agree! It’s as if someone is bent on destroying the following that the site has by being as rude and condescending as possible to the readers. I would think that the person who has the site would want to treat the readers with respect in order to maintain and even increase the following. The one who puts himself into a position to give advice to those who want to know must himself be approachable. That’s not the case today.
Referring to mRNA vaccines, the world leaders you mention trust science like most people and therein lies the problem. They themselves are not infallible and all-knowing, and like scientists have no idea of the function of 98% of our DNA and term it ‘junk’ DNA. As if our creator would be so wasteful as to make 98% of our DNA junk! Oh the arrogance of ignorance!
So you see, our leaders are not that smart on a scale reaching up to infinity. Maybe the average human is 1/100 and our best dear leaders are 2/100. As such they trust science technocrats playing around on our health with experimental gene therapy, for a virus easily treatable with existing repurposed drugs. NB: mRNA gene therapy injections are not vaccines in the accepted sense.
There are outside the mainstream scientists who do know what the bulk of our ‘junk’ DNA is used for. It’s a very interesting subject.
Sorry Saker but we have a difference of position.
As far as I can tell all of my points of dissention have been covered by others except for this small matter.
I stumbled across it in a link on a comment on another site, and I recalled having read it back around the time it was made. It was about then I first poked my nose down the conspiracy rabbit hole.
“The future will be about finding a way to reduce the population. We start with the old, because as soon as they exceed 60-65 years, people live longer than they produce and that costs society dearly. Then the weak, then the useless that do not help society because there will always be more of them, and above all, ultimately, the stupid. Euthanasia targeting these groups; Euthanasia will have to be an essential tool in our future societies, in all cases. Of course we will not be able to execute people or build camps. We get rid of them by making them believe that it is for their own good. Overpopulation, and mostly useless, is something that is too costly economically. Socially, too, it is much better when the human machine comes to an abrupt standstill than when it gradually deteriorates. Neither will we be able to test millions upon millions of people for their intelligence, you bet that! We will find or cause something a pandemic targeting certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus affecting the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and stupid will believe in it and seek treatment. We will have made sure that treatment is in place, treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots then takes care of itself: You go to the slaughter by yourself.” [The future of life – Jacques Attali, 1981] Interviews with Michel Salomon, Les Visages de l’avenir collection, éditions Seghers. “…
Written in 1981 by the former adviser to the French President François Mitterrand, Jacques Attali who is a Jewish Freemason and Bilderberger.
In a court of law that statment would be evidence of forethought and/ or intent.
As my 85yo mum said this morning when I read it to her: “if that is not a description of the current madness, nothing is”.
We truly do live in interesting times. Take care everyone.
The economy needs producers and consumer, so as long as you serve any or both of those purposes, you’re useful for the economy. Old people consumes a lot of goods and services. And you can always develop new stuff for any given sector to consume. So I don’t think that’s a good reason for population reduction. Consuming you are producing. The limit may be ecology, trashing of Earth, but I think they’d rather go for “smarter consumption” instead of population reduction (consumer elimination) if they decide to protect the planet from trashing.
The four options you present are, of course, designed to drive your point home. An answer can only be temptative as we common folks don’t have insight into what’s being played behind the scenes.
First of all, there is no empirical evidence for a pandemic. It simply isn’t there.
There is evidence of medical and administrative mistreatment, driven by top-down artificially created panic. This has killed a certain number of people.
There is evidence of the Biontech-Pfizer, ModeRNA and AstraZeneca vaccins being bad for people’s health. A 46 year old nurse died within 48 hours after receiving the Pfizer vaccine in my hometown back in January. And there are many such cases. Authorities are in cahoots with the pharma industry and the biotech financial investments. So they refuse to acknowledge vaccin dangers and lethality.
It’s a massive health scam. There is a precedent for this called AIDS/HIV. See Peter Duesberg and Claus Köhnlein.
So why do so many world leaders (but not all – hail Lukashenko!) go along with this scam? They are, in one way or another, in cahoots with the organizers, or are themselves among the organizers. Yes, this is a conspiracy. Common folks cannot be expected to work out how exactly this has come to pass. And you know that.
I remember reports of how Manuel Luis Obrador of Mexico publicly made fun of the Coronavirus paranoia when it started. Then, a couple days later, a complete turn-around. He suddenly was 100% behind the agenda and its ridiculous rituals. There was no evidence of a pandemic. So what happened? We don’t know.
I remember how Merkel suddenly announced that the pandemic was to become the biggest challenge in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany. There was no evidence to support such a claim. Clearly, she had been briefed about what had to be done. How and by whom? We don’t know.
The right thing to do, in this situation and in general, is not to trust in authority but rely on your very own proper common sense. And this will tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that there is no and never has been any pandemic.
And this makes sense because we’ve got enough to eat and hygiene standards are very high. The kinds of ailments people suffer from in the industrialized world are rather the result of eating too much and living under exaggerated chemical hygiene.
This is phase 3 trial. There is no long term safety data. We do not know the long term effects on fertility – yet the spiked protein has been found to accumulate in ovaries. What will happen longer term? The truth is we don’t know.
I don’t know why these leaders all agree, and I don’t care. What has that got to do with the search for truth? What I do know however, is that there are many serious scientists and doctors who don’t support mass vaccination. Many have been sacked from their jobs for speaking out. Dr Francis Christian is just one example, which I bring up because he recorded the zoom conference in which he was very politely told he is being dismissed because of his opposition to vaccination of children. There are many others who have also voiced concerns – Doctors Yeadon, Bhakdi, Hodkinson, Vanden Bosche, Montagnier and others. These have given powerful and cogent explanations of why we should step back from the mass vaccination program.
I also know that in the UK the MHRA has been collecting adverse effects data but have not produced a single study to date on the risk analysis of this data. None at all. The data is just sitting there, and you have June Raine (head of MHRA) saying “the vaccination is totally safe”. But she can’t know this if no studies have been carried out.
And we are supposed to listen to politicians because our fav Vladimir Putin is among them? Forgive my scepticism, but this is not an argument.
Far from being a triumph for critical thinking and free investigations, the mental world of these folks in straight out of Orwell’s 1984. It is a sad irony that these folks sincerely think of themselves as both “well informed” and “free thinkers”.
If you have read the many arguments above dear Saker, I think you should withdraw this slander against your own readers. You have an emotional not intellectual approach to this subject.
The same denials can be heard in the climate change debate. Once awake to the deception it is embarrassing to hear those you respect repeat the propaganda they have been fed.
It’s simple.
They alter the data and silence the dissenters
And then every willing idiot / innocent youngster / frustrated marxist / grifter and boondoggler jumps on the bandwagon.
Covid is the greatest existential philosophical question of our time. Fear.
Do we fear life or do we fear death? Will science or our spiritual beliefs save us? Does it matter? If the vaccine solves our dilemma, does it mean we go on living our old consumerist lifestyle? Is science our new God?
Covid asks what’s important, what does it mean to live. What does it mean to breathe. What does it mean to die. What does it mean to trust Caesar, or science or God?
What if we are all right. Does not that suggest our journey is unique? Ideology and politics plays no part in this existential question.
Then again, war is never about what is right, but what is left. This is a spiritual war, the question we really need to ask is, what do I do?
Whatever path you follow, ensure that it’s right for you.
“Whatever path you follow, ensure that it’s right for you.”
I do not think your questions are precise and therefore they can be misleading. 1) the WHO changed the definition of “pandemic” in 2009. Thus, before that date, what there is now would not be a pandemic. 2) Is there any certainty that “covid” in places like Iran is the same as, say in Italy or Germany? 3) government policies are definitely NOT based on science. Science is NOT democratic and the fact that many or “most” scientists believe something does not mean that it is true. Interestingly enough, governments everywhere seem to have decided to follow the opinions of a particular group of “scientists,” and have censored those specialists and scientists who disagreed. This boils down to a clear politicization of science. 4) Development of the so-called vaccines was started years before the “outbreak” of “covid.” Just ask any specialist how long it takes to develop a vaccine and then to mass-produce: years and billions of investments are required. 5) These “vaccines” have never been properly tested and the animal trial stage has been skipped.
Virus? What virus?
Tv on : Covid Covid Covid!
Tv off: No Covid anymore!
The best treatment against Coviditis is to switch off the Tv, radio and any Internet spying tracking devices and throw them through the window!!!
Best advice yet! If I wasn’t plugged into the simulacrum, I wouldn’t even know Covid was a thing. Other than the idiots obliviously staring at their “smart phones” and wearing masks for no apparent reason, of course. Idiots all, what are you gonna do? Can’t live with them, can’t just smack them over the head with an iron skillet.
There are several things that need to be parsed in this post. I will double post.
1) It is one thing to say that Argentina and Russia encourage you to vaccinate, it is a completely different thing to say that the US and UK are also doing that. The first difference is in the form of the vaccine. I would readily take the Russian vaccine, specially if that is the price for getting a Russian residence permit. The western vaccines are genetic therapy, AND the adoption of the much safer, semi-traditional Russian vaccine is blocked in any way possible. Why should it be so?
2) we are not going to abandon “cui bono” out of fear of the common cold, are we? That is as hard a law of history as there are. And “cui bono”, at least the way I interpret it, is that Russia has no interest in reducing its population, given current abundant resources, and future challenges which will require a bigger population. Russia is asking its people to vaccinate to reduce its health costs, and incidentally to make an export buck or two. The main (and perhaps only serious) criticism of Putin is that the population is not increasing. And a happy healthy population, specially given a lot of space, does want to increase. There is something fundamentally wrong with the internal policies.
Which brings me to the next hard law of history, resource depletion. No civilization has ever survived it. Worldwide, oil is declining, and there is no source of energy which can really replace it. Mass house arrests have lowered the consumption of the lighter fractions, but it is diesel that experiences the biggest deficits. If interested, I will post how this is being minimized. To me it is transparent that Western elites want (and need) to reduce the population if they are to make a peaceful transition to neo-feudalism. This is going to be a multi-generation effort as a big reduction is needed.
So this post is comparing apples and oranges.
Please note this comment read under a random article in the Spanish press about the Covid religion (and I don’t agree with everything being a Catholic but there are some interesting insights there…(translation below)
zeptkon_530 Hace 11 minutos
Mirando hacia atrás a través de la historia, no es difícil llegar a la conclusión de que la medicina moderna occidental se está caracterizando por las acciones que durante décadas de racionalismo ateo se atribuyeron a la Iglesia Católica Romana en el pasado: autocracia, centralización, control y manipulación de las personas, censura, propaganda, obediencia total, infalibilidad, destrucción de herejes, exterminio de la individualidad. Todo esto, por supuesto, se ha hecho en nombre de la salud pública y el bien general, al igual que la iglesia terrena actuó por la salvación de la humanidad. Resumiendo:
– los médicos han sustituido a los sacerdotes;
– la vacunación juega el mismo papel iniciático que el bautismo y va acompañada de las mismas amenazas y temores;
– la búsqueda de la salud ha reemplazado la búsqueda de la salvación eterna;
– la lucha contra la enfermedad ha reemplazado a la lucha contra el pecado;
– la erradicación del virus ha sustituido a la exorcización de demonios;
– la esperanza de la inmortalidad física (clonación, ingeniería genética) ha sustituido la esperanza de la vida eterna;
– las pastillas han sustituido al sacramento del pan y el vino;
– las donaciones para la investigación del cáncer tienen prioridad sobre las donaciones a la iglesia;
– una hipotética vacuna universal génica podría salvar a la humanidad de todas sus temores, ya que el Salvador ha liberado al mundo de sus pecados;
– el poder médico se ha convertido en aliado del gobierno, como lo fue la Iglesia católica en el pasado;
– los “conspiracionistas y negacionistas” son perseguidos hoy como ayer lo fueron los herejes;
– el dogmatismo del lobby y las multinacionales farmacéuticas descarta teorías médicas alternativas prometedoras;
– La misma ausencia de responsabilidad individual se encuentra ahora en la medicina, como antes en la religión católica;
– los pacientes están alienados de sus cuerpos, como solían estar los pecadores de sus almas.
No se puede servir a Dios y al usurpador al mismo tiempo.
zeptkon_530 11 minutes ago
Looking back through history, it is not difficult to conclude that modern western medicine is characterized by the actions that for decades of atheistic rationalism were attributed to the Roman Catholic Church in the past: autocracy, centralization, control and manipulation of people, censorship, propaganda, total obedience, infallibility, destruction of heretics, extermination of individuality. All this, of course, has been done in the name of public health and the general good, just as the earthly church acted for the salvation of humanity. Summarize:
– doctors have replaced priests;
– vaccination plays the same initiatory role as baptism and is accompanied by the same threats and fears;
– the search for health has replaced the search for eternal salvation;
– the fight against disease has replaced the fight against sin;
– the eradication of the virus has replaced the exorcisation of demons;
– the hope of physical immortality (cloning, genetic engineering) has replaced the hope of eternal life;
– pills have replaced the sacrament of bread and wine;
– donations for cancer research have priority over donations to the church;
– a hypothetical universal gene vaccine could save humanity from all its fears, since the Savior has delivered the world from its sins;
– the medical power has become an ally of the government, as was the Catholic Church in the past;
– the “conspirationists and deniers” are persecuted today as yesterday were the heretics;
– lobby dogmatism and pharmaceutical multinationals rule out promising alternative medical theories;
– The same absence of individual responsibility is now found in medicine, as before in the Catholic religion;
– patients are alienated from their bodies, as sinners used to be from their souls.
You cannot serve God and the usurper at the same time.”
I am not a scientist, but I have read over two hundred scholarly articles and scientific papers about COVID-19, its likely origins, its mechanism of harm, the various vaccines that have been developed in an effort to prevent it, the likely epidemiological effects of those vaccines on the evolution of the virus, the capture of national health authorities by the pharmaceutical industry, early treatments for the disease that can be self-administered and their efficacy, and measures that can be taken to minimize chances of contracting the disease, including prophylactics like ivermectin, and how those measures work. Nothing is certain, but through my reading I am convinced that the best odds of coming through this whole are to take every precaution not to get the disease in the first place (including through use of ivermectin), and to be prepared to treat it promptly at home myself in the event that I do get it.
One thing I know for sure is that no one would pick up the tab were I to be killed or seriously injured by the vaccine. (The chances of that are very small in general, perhaps 20 in 100,000, but obviously life altering for anyone whose cylinder comes up loaded.) On the other hand, treatment of the disease is covered at least in some measure by health insurance.
I have young friends who have had the disease and recovered, old friends who have had the disease and died. (I am older myself.) I have family members who have had the vaccine, and others who are going to great lengths to avoid it. So far, no one close to me has been seriously injured by the vaccine, as far as I am aware. and so far, we all get along OK, as all I ask is that they exercise their right to be informed before they consent, and that they respect my right to refuse based on how I have been informed.
Saker
I would not think of demanding you conform to my opinion. Nevertheless, I do consider experts to be among the most dangerous people on Earth. Once you can count on them to support your opinion they will do the job of converting the masses. For this reason maximum effort should be invested in subverting them.
This is generally easy to do for they listen to each other and particularly to those who have the greatest influence in their specialties. Discouraging those who deny the chosen opinion by controlling the journals and manipulating career opportunities will do wonders for bringing them to heel. If this fails open calumny heaped high by a controlled press can well finish the job. Experts are mostly careerists and by the definition of mediocre are widely mediocre.
Do you really think that the open attacks on Russia perpetrated in the media are not similarly available to bring recalcitrant experts to heel? Do you really believe Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc. will not suppress opinion they disapprove of? Covid, or Putin, it is all the same.
How can you really argue that 193 countries would naturally see Covid alike? Why would Xi Jinping, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Maduro, Arce, Putin necessarily draw the same conclusion? Even if they do why are they right? The Catholic Church, an institution of which I believe you do not approve, once insisted that the Sun rotates about the Earth as any fool can plainly see. There was the Inquisition to discourage the opinion of anti-solar-rotators. The same is clearly evident in state attitudes today with respect to Covid and much else.
There is good reason to question the vaccines in the West. The Russian vaccines may be safer. I do not know. There are experts who disapprove of the vaccines, you know, if this is of primary importance to you. There is much more about this in the other comments below.
As something of an aside, I would argue against the medical concept of vaccines. First, I value homeopathy and its precepts and vaccines violate these precepts royally. Essentially, vaccines degrade the Vital Force which you may think of as the immune system. Second, vaccines are a form of collective medication in that concepts such as herd immunity can be invoked to justify and force collective action. I detest collective action and the politicians who administer it. Give me a specific medication that acts at an individual level and can be terminated at any time. There is more control if side effects prove too great. Medications such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are preferable, when effective, on these grounds alone.
VAERS reports show an abnormally high level of adverse incidents to the four Western vaccines which are not vaccines. Epithelial inflammation in blood vessels is a mark of Covid infection, the spike protein has been reported to cause such inflammation by itself and the mRNA compounds force the body to make spike protein to generate antibodies. Autoimmune responses have been observed by those taking the Western vaccines. Young, physically fit soldiers, are reporting heart pains after receiving the vaccines. Inflammation is found.
Efforts to suppress alternative treatment modes such as hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin are promoted by authorities across the US and Europe. Why do these governments insist that there is only one approach? They protest too much. They want too much.
There are many claims and reports that the Covid death figures have been greatly inflated attributing all sorts of other causes of death to Covid. Accident victims are reported dead of Covid if some association to the virus can be claimed. Are all these people who report excessive death claims just lying? My personal experience argues that Covid is not really much more than a flu that soon passes away. I should panic; I should jump to take a patently dangerous compound for no particularly good reason?
The Covid hysteria is dangerous in and of itself. It is a form of tulip mania. Invest in tulip bulbs and lose your shirt; invest in Covid hype and maybe suffer debilitating injury or death. The Cost to Benefit ratio is too high.
I assure you I am much more afraid of fear mongering authorities pushing Covid vaccines with probable (certain?) ulterior motive than I am of Covid. I don’t trust these governments and don’t want to trust them. I value my own opinion above all else and I don’t care what you think or they think. One must always evaluate expertise for oneself. Expertise is easily degraded by the powerful through the mechanisms of group think and intimidation. It is a vastly overrated commodity.
So to answer the four questions:
Putin, etc. is likely very well informed. He must have experts coming out his ears. This does not mean that his experts are truly well informed or without agendas. Nor does it mean he, himself, does not have an agenda. Authority is always suspect.
As for lying, who knows? It is not necessarily relevant to a personal decision. If they are then opposition to the vaccines is highly appropriate. They may merely be listening to their experts. Experts who tell a different tale may be excluded from their circle. Decision makers need confidence in their decisions so excluding some recommendations and those who recommend them helps in making a decision. Even without other agendas to serve.
Yeah, I do think there is a grand conspiracy to conquer the world for the banker-Davos crowd and even for the benefit of the Jews. I think that we are now in a Third World War of the “best” against the rest-monied anyway. Covid is one weapon available to establish tyranny. The reasons for this opinion go well beyond Covid but with Covid the incessant propaganda to take the vaccine coupled with denial of other modes of treatment and the meaningless, economy busting lockdown protocols is a strong marker for a hidden agenda.
Yes, I do think it is most important to develop an opinion in serious matters and back it. I may not be right and certainly will reap the benefits and consequences of acting upon my opinion. That is just the nature of life.
“And while I still am mostly agnostic about most COVID medical aspects (the only thing I am sure of is that it was not a leaked bio-weapon)”
That sounds a lot like certitude to me.
“What is happening in the world? What are specialists saying?”
And that sounds like an appeal to authority.
Fact is, the specialists are not all saying the same thing. Here’s one with a different view than you and VVP.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/eWJbMJd1sSWI/
This guy’s not alone either. There’s plenty more that share his view, but they’re just not being heard, except by the few who seek out information beyond the incessant mass media drumbeat that to me looks more like a promotion for Big Pharma than actual news, which isn’t all that surprising since they’re major advertisers, and political campaign contributors.
The facts are there for anyone who cares to look beyond the official WHO/CDC narratives, which themselves are inconsistent. You don’t need a vaccine, and you certainly don’t need an experimental gene therapy disguised as one which has not been properly tested, and has already killed enough people that under any other circumstance would have resulted in its immediate withdrawal.
To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To a virologist, same thing, especially if there’s huge profits to be made. Internists are less dogmatic, seeing as they’re focused on the entire physiology, and not just one specific aspect. There are already two proven interventions that work: HCQ+Zinc, and Ivermectin. There’s no debating this, it’s established fact at this point. So why are we not hearing this? Why are these drugs being dismissed, and in many countries banned altogether? Could it be that being off-patent and thus not profitable, they’re being intentionally sidelined?
Apply the same logic to the pandemic as you do to Anglo-Zionist ambitions, the MIC, or the global banking cartel. Don’t go by what VVP says on the issue. He’s less informed than you think. Not his fault, it goes with the territory. Running a country is a big job and you have to rely on specialists for your information, but that doesn’t mean they’re always right, even when there’s a consensus.
My own study of Epistemology tells me that specialists commit just as many errors of reason as the average person of intelligence. It also tells me that certitude, or the power of one’s convictions, is much easier to detect in others than in oneself.
https://anti-empire.com/singapore-to-live-with-covid-treat-it-as-any-other-endemic-disease-such-as-influenza/
Singapore to ‘Live With COVID’, Treat It as Any Other Endemic Disease, Such as Influenza
No more quarantine, expansive testing, or daily numbers
The next issue I want to bring about is how the “specialists”, in Russia or the West, derive their special knowledge from the data of an unchanging society. Ask them a question about hard biological sciences and they, inevitably, blank. They have no real (hard) scientific bases.
And the hard law of biology is that the human body is the product of millions of years of evolution with a variety of coronaviri. The human body has developed a multi-layer defense system, called the immune system. Why is it failing now? The main culprit is a diet rich in grains, sugar and vegetable oils, which interferes with all levels of the IS. Over time the IS degrades, and this is why the victims are mostly old. This diet is completely different from what homo sapiens has been eating for 99% of its existence.
This might appear to be an entirely academic point, since currently the human existence is predicated on large consumption of grains, produced by diesel tractors. The natural approaches simply patch up some of the shortcomings of an IS on grains: vitamin C to temporarily relieve a chronic deficiency in anti-oxidant capabilities, vitamin D, which is depleted in carbohydrates rich diets, and is a major player in avoiding excessive reactions in one of the layers, zinc and hydroxychloroquine, since zinc is a major anti-viral, generally blocked from absorption by grains, and HCQ a powerful ionophore that permits cell entrance to zinc.
However, we are just into the second decade of bio-warfare. Russia would be much better off rising everyone’s immune system. Then they would be protected against all viri, they would have much better health outcomes, and they would save much more money than they are claiming to save (in health care. They would overall lose money due to the pension system and increased lifespan). It is not difficult for me (a near carnivore), to reject the Russian position on intellectual and scientific grounds.
In my personal experience, and not only mine, the “covid” dis-ease somehow replaced “the seasonal flu”. Different, unfamiliar symptoms, severe, fortunately survived and had time to learn some basics of molecular biology, enough to understand, for instance, what ‘virus isolation’ or ‘mARN’ mean. Thing is, understanding depends on one’s paradigm. Long story short, no more ‘germ theory’ for me.
I cannot deny that there was definitely “something in the air” – many people had a strong flu. Not “a virus”, obviously. Viruses have a fundamental role in the human body ecosystem, part of life, embedded in the genome, not the ‘big bad wolf’ who comes to eat me alive. That is a fairy tale.
Causes of “covid” disease could be – toxic environment / increased electromagnetic radiation / planetary changes …
There are tons of evidence and research regarding the nefarious effects of electromagnetic radiation.
Regardless of the underlying material causes, the global psyop was obvious to me. 911 on steroids. And very tricky. No wonder even the Great VVP is clueless. Many doctors even are clueless, at least those who live and think “in the system”. Who follow orders and official protocols. Which is understandable. They are not trained to think outside the box. They are mostly educated to memorize enormous amounts of information, not to make sense of it. For them, life is all about chemicals.
Fortunately, not all are like that and many started to speak up despite various levels of threats, risking their career and life.
Took me a few months to make the difference between what could be real and what is definitely not.
Is “the virus” real ? Yes and No.
Yes in vitro (in the labs) – No in vivo (in humans).
Unfortunately it looks like the spike protein is real in both worlds.
And it looks like the the spike protein is the bioweapon.
To quote The Matrix movie, “The mind makes it real”.
First phase of the psyop is now completed. An imaginary threat was built. Now fear makes it real, the sheeple get the bioweapon into their body. Problem – reaction – solution.
On one hand, I am afraid that next “covid waves” will be for real for the vaxxxed – cytokine storm, ADE, etc.
See here:
20 Mechanisms of Injuries (MOI) – How COVID-19 Injections Can Make You Sick; Even Kill You
https://helsefrihet.no/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/4_5823505109643954624.pdf
Medically speaking, death by vaccine is the perfect crime. Lets say – heart attack. Out of the blue, “just happened” they say. Cause of death – “unrelated”. No connection. No proof.
On the other hand, surprisingly, many people, feeling that something is wrong in the whole picture, “wake up”. Some who have been ‘awake’ for years and predicted the current humanity crisis, are optimistic. They see light at the end of the tunnel, after the vast majority of the vaxxxed will die in the next 3 years …
Oh well … we’ll see …
Or not …
What a fraud. Over the years, he is telling us about of all kinds of conspiracies, inside stories, “Anglo-Zionists”, 911 truth and now he is shitting on reasonable people’s objection to an experimental vaccine.
Oh, yeah sure, you have no opinion; you don’t say. Xi, Putin etc. are pushing the vaccine so it must be perfectly fine. Your layman status didn’t matter about the said topics before – you always were vocal about those.
Peak hypocrisy is reached when he is telling all the people in the West, that they all are wrong about Russia, China, Iran etc. huh? World leaders are telling us so, so it must be true. He is using the exact same propaganda tricks he decries in the West, again what a fraud!
Pathetic
Another way to bury your reputation.
dear Saker,
you were right to stay away from the covid topic. this article is probably the most poorly written analysis that i have read on your site, sorry to say that. not only it presents the reader with false choices (get vaccinated or remain an antivaxxer, covid-dissenter and World government concpiracist), but also ends with a cynical paraphrase of the Kübler-Ross model.
it looks like you are scared of dying from covid.
wish you all the best
I’d like to read your own analysis on the topic. That’s the point of the article, or that’s how I took it.
I would love it if people’s vaccine skepticism extended to other areas as well–such as 1) the toxic garbage they put in foods and 2) the various pills that are constantly marketed to us.
Subway’s tuna doesn’t even have tuna DNA, and they recently lost a court case that ruled that their bread had too much sugar to legally qualify as bread. I remember reading in the 90s that growth hormones in meats were affecting people’s sexual development. Could there be a connection between that and the various new “gender expressions” that have emerged? What better way to cover up the side effects of food pollution than to make them a civil rights issue?
Let me add another possible logical explanation:
5. All of the above leaders have real confidence in their health systems / investigators / scientists and the product of their institutions, the influence of their stance in their populations runs much less risk against the equivalent stance of leaders in Zone A.
At least in 4 of those countries tried and tested vaccine technology was developed against Covid. All have access to and in mutual cooperation to these traditional vaccine types.
The science around this issue is being consolidated, the level risks being rationally accepted in the 1st phase (Flawed PCR Testing), are now much less acceptable in the current 2nd phase (Untested Vaccine technology roll-outs in Zone A – do we dare say “Flawed”?).
An anecdote:
My concern shot sky high when back in October I was caught with covid (I’m convinced it was something different then mere flu only months later when components of my smell were still impacted), but the physical constraints imposed on healthy friends around me made me very suspicious of breadth of social consequences, and how it could be warranted. In truth I got tired of all my PCR testing layman investigation but with a feeling of a certain fait-accompli being imposed.
Then Vaccines started to be rolled-out. All my scepticism I kept to myself thinking of the risk of being made responsible for influencing the decision of my father and other older people around me in case things would have gone wrong in terms of their own health. In truth I could not know either way and I could not excuse myself. Of the older people I know and with which I originally engaged in conversation about the lunacy of the Covid-shenanigan, only my father ultimately decided against being vaccinated.
Personaly I made the same decision, but there I have the additional defence of enjoying natural immunity and being half his age.
I am sorry if I don’t follow most of my political circle wrt this issue, but I live in Zone A, what I see is the latent Fascism rising (at least how I was told it looked like). Basic modes of life being made verboten against show of “Certificate of vaccination”: right to work, social/political gatherings, liberty of movement, etc. I imagine a 3rd Phase will consist of this rise while resistance in Zone A will invoke Nuremberg.
From Zone B it might all just look weird the level of disobedience, but then again, when would that be surprising?
Good Morning Maker,
How do you define the labels you used?
1. What is a COVID Disisdent? Someone who doesn’t believe that COVID is real?
2. What is an Anti-Vaxer? To borrow from the Anti-Abortion terminology, do you regard the Anti-Vaxer as someone who is Pro-choice (you do what you want, I just don’t want myself to be jabbed) or Pro-Life (I don’t want anyone to be vaccinated, because of this or that.
Once we understand this context, we can have a rational discussion about the topics you brought up.
I am not a “dissident” because I refuse to be a test animal for “vaccines” that don’t help against something that nobody has proven to me even exists. The excess death statistics is nowhere near convincing, and that’s all that matters.
The relentless media propaganda makes me extremely wary. Clearly this is being used to promote an authoritarian ideology, and yes I have personal concrete evidence to that effect.
The very fact that you have to call someone a “dissident” for not taking an unknown inoculation tells us there is something very wrong with the whole picture.
Six very different countries, six very different leaders, six very different political and social systems and six totally different economies. Yet they very much all agree with each other.
Scientific questions are not decided by counting hands, referring to authorities or claiming that everybody agrees. Look up Richard Feynman’s clip “the Key to science” on youtube from a lecture in the early 1960’s:
“If it doesn’t agree with observation or experiment, it’s wrong”
“Finally, please don’t waste your (and my) time by insulting me, calling me a “gatekeeper” or an “uncritical Putin fanboy”
I would not call you anything, I only listen to factual arguments. But you call me a “dissident” for disagreeing and refusing to be a test animal and I take great offence.
Indeed, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You represent the extraordinary claims in this case, I represent the null hypothesis, that nothing extraordinary medical has happened. Show me you extraordinary scientific evidence, please.
I come here to read about Russia, and the Saker knows quite a lot about Russia and military matters, and I value that. He also attracts some interesting guest writers and thoughtful commentators.
I’ll ignore him trolling his readership with this COVID article, and will enjoy his geopolitical writing when he returns to doing what he does best.
If he doesn’t, there is always the superb Reminiscence of the Future site.
I vaccini sono tutti uguali ? Mi sembra che Putin abbia detto qualcosa a riguardo.
Per molti il problema è di merito ai vari tipi di vaccini.
Are all vaccines the same? It seems to me that Putin has said something about it.
For many, the problem lies with the various types of vaccines.
“Six very different countries, six very different leaders, six very different political and social systems and six totally different economies. Yet they very much all agree with each other.”
I can think of another instance where these six leaders and leaders from the rest of the world agree on another highly suspicious event. They all “agree” with the received narrative about 9/11. If they don’t “agree” then they, at the very least, refrain from challenging the received narrative. I bet Russia and China have a much better understanding of what happened on 9/11 but they keep it to themselves. Perhaps they also know more about Covid than they are saying.
they probably all have the same opinion on the Apollo missions
I am not surprised at all that Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel have adopted the full covid gospel.
It takes a lot of effort/energy to be a dissident when you are in a responsible position. (it is a lot easier when you are a keyboard warrior or a pub oracle;-)). So it is very common to see that people who in one area are leaders with their own ideas in another area are followers.
Saker, Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce, Morales, and Diaz-Canel are all less well informed than Luc Montagnier, Dolores Cahill, Geert vanden Bosche, Michael Yeardon, Robert Malone, Pierre Kory, Peter McCollough, Byron Bridle, Richard Fleming, Roger Hodgkinson and hunfreds of other PhD experts whoae viees they have never heard. All are pro-vax covid dissidents. Shame on you for the straw man innuendo.
I’ve listened to all of these. And I’ve listened to all of the others. And I’ve kept up to the minute informed on most everything, to the point of doing my own small studies and writing them down in the Movable Feast Cafe. On a balance, everyone has points that are very valid and anyone that is not blind, can see the social manipulation around the advent of Covid existent in some countries.
These are my litmus tests
– all of those people, so passionately anti-mRNA vaccines (and I won’t take those), did they vaccinate children in their clinical practices before now? You will find that generally, they did.
– all of these people, so passionately standing up now, are all in the vaccine industry, anything from development to studies to some or other activity. Did anyone speak up about vaccines before now? There is much recognition in the so-called whistleblower category. Lots of people learn your name.
If they did not, I do not take them seriously. Sorry, my litmus test as to who I listen to and who not.
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@amarynth
That’s nice that you have listened widely. But what perplexes me is that your conclusion to all that information boils down to “they are dissenting for name recognition?” Excuse me !!!!!!!! It could not be that their scientific research which they have outlined nicely for all time read and listen to, is their cause for dissent? It is but for name recognition? It seems the gloves are off. This attacks are childish and frankly imbecilic to be honest. Why would you slander someone like that without anything to back up such an assertion? Did you find anything wrong with their analysis? Can you point out one such flaw? Or its let’s just trash all who don’t agree with us time?
I believe you will find to types of covid skeptics, the first think the pandemic is a total hoax. The second kind thinks it is real, but the danger is overstated as are the death counts, and governments are using this to grab power.
As to why people are vaccine hesitant I think the answer is obvious. The ruling elite of the USA has shown nothing but complete indifference and utter contempt for the working class people of America.
The last legislation they passed to help the average person was medicaid and medicare…back in the 1960s.
They have lied us into wars, outsourced our good paying industrial jobs, complete ignored the lack of affordable
health care and affordable housing. They have basically been looting the country instead of governing for the past 40 years.
But now. Now you want to help? And how do you help? By passing mandates to randomly close businesses, arrest me if I stand to close to someone, arrest me if I don’t wear a mask. Close churches?! Ban freedom of assembly. Issue arbitrary and conflicting edicts?
That is why people are vaccine hesitant, there is no trust at all for the state and federal level governments. They have lost any credibility they ever had, at least in the USA. Also let us not forget all the drug recalls and scams they let big pharma get away with. I believe Ron Unz mentioned the Vioxx debacle in one of his articles.
I will also add the massing censorship that is happening now is also making people wonder if anything the hear from the US gov or social media can be trusted.
The fact that Putin and Xi acted as they did tells me it is not a world wide conspiracy. I would take the Russian
Sputnik vaccine if I had to. But I would never take one of those Mrna vacs. The ruling elites put power and profit over the welfare of the people every time. I don’t expect that to change anytime soon. The media and the US gov have no credibility left.
Bonjour The Saker,
I wonder which side you would have chosen had you lived during Galileo’s era ?
Having all head of states, religions agreeing on a topic doesn’t mean they are right all the time.
“And if you are such an intolerant bigot that you absolutely DEMAND
that the entire human race agrees with you,
then I really don’t want you anywhere near this blog.”
Point of logic:
1] By censoring people ( de-facto : demand that the entire human race agrees ),
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one de-facto, becomes intolerant (bigot).
2] Does one then self-immolate/remove oneself from one’s blog ?
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3] reminder : at one time, the relatively few were censored-silenced-ridiculed ,
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by the vast majority of people who believed in:
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witch-burning , flat-earth , geocentrism , “native_Indian_hunting_massacres” !! …
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thalidomide , lobotomies_cure , smoking_cures … !
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Ishtar, Apollo to Zeus , Thor , Osiris – Re , Vulcan , Vishnu , Tlaloc , Esus , Shinto , Itzamna …
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4] there must be open discussion, else self-chosen self-lobotomization …
5] the fools-myths will hence expose themselves
6] may the evolved facts , logically convince sceptics ! …
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… through censorship , how may one know who believes witch-burning to then convince them otherwise ?
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Peace to all , in the widest possible context.
Point 2 is the truth almost. They cannot say the truth to the people even if they should. So their hands have blood on them. I am an old believer and I understand which path must be followed. The greatest hoax is in full force.
The Saker’s views and approach on this entire topic have been, perhaps, one of the most confusing episodes I have witnessed online.
Not entirely sure the pejorative use of terms such as COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers suggests an entirely agnostic attitude. But allowing open discussion shows at least an open mind.
There are “covid deniers”, ironically just like there are “climate change deniers”, interesting the same terminology is used. However most actually believe it is a nasty virus, one that mainly attacks the old and infirm, and statistically this cannot be denied. Lock downs have never been a part of an epidemiology response, is completely absent from text books and numerous studies show them to be all but useless, poor fitting masks likewise are little better. And yet they are enforced everywhere, why? In Australia you can be beaten and tasered by police for sitting in the sun miles from anyone if not wearing a mask.
After covid was identified every pharmaceutical company on the planet went into overdrive, getting something to market would be worth billions. And yet Russia and China beat all these very large and experienced companies to market, means nothing in itself but it is interesting.
I wont bother with natural cures and preventatives as we’ll keep this medicinal.
Ivermectin had been widely proven in clinical trials to save covid lives, not once but repeatedly. However if this was accepted by the FDA then they could not Authorize Approval for Experimental Drugs. They decided to ignore huge clinical evidence on an old drug, with known mild side effects but very safe in recommended doses. That it could be quickly manufactured world wide, save many lives and perhaps stop covid dead in its tracks was immaterial, also it was out of patent…no profits. Instead they went ahead and authorized an experimental drug with little study, zero understanding of long term effects and that had never been used on humans before. And yet only conspiracy nutters find this odd?
After authorization of experimental drugs the usual protocol is to follow them up to ensure they are not in fact dangerous and do not have severe side effects. The FDA waived this, there is zero monitoring, none. A vaccine for the SARS 1 virus was granted the same, however it was followed up, when deaths got to about 10 authorization was immediately withdrawn. According to US CDC: currently 6,113 Dead Following Covid Injections including 576 Abortions, or the EU 15,400 dead and 1.5 million afflicted with serious side effects. And yet if anyone asks what is going on here then they are a covid denier.
Traditional vaccines injected into the deltoid muscle stay localized and are dealt with by antibodies in a long and well understood way, they are a minor but acceptable risk to almost everyone. MRNAs do not, their lipid carriers are going into the blood stream immediately, transferred around the body and eventually stored in the bone marrow and ovaries. Women right now have reported odd, clotty and painful menstrual cycles and many miscarriages for the pregnant. Facebooks groups with about 400,000 members were discussing this, FB shut them down. Spike proteins for the record are cytotoxic and the cause of the short term effects such as clotting and neurological symptoms. The bone marrow is the heart of our immune system, what will storing these new chemical transporters there do long term? To ask this makes you a covid denier.
Most western countries will not accept Russian and Chinese vaccines as such taking them will not get you a covid passport, something coming as surely as the sun will rise tomorrow. It is already being suggested that these will require yearly booster shots and perhaps will include vaccines for whatever else the government desires. Every time you enter a shop you have to scan a code to be admitted, this code goes to the government database and whomever else they care to share that with. No passport, your life will be cancelled, reminds somewhat of the Chinses Social score tech, another insidious control device.
People need to study and make their own decisions, understanding these subjects can be difficult but it is doable. At this stage I doubt this can be derailed, too many have Stockholm Syndrome with their fear.
I have a tremendous respect for the Saker, for he has learned me to see trough so much things happening in global politics, and I’m also happy to see that now that he is mistaken, he gets corrected by his audience.
Thanks audience. ;°)
I would say that the audience refuses to let someone speak his or her truth, and leave it at that. They cannot stand it. They want to recruit someone or other to their own way of thinking. That is what is so outstanding in this thread.
Obviously. Vaccination is the way of spreading what they are suppose to take care. It is not a secret and and prepared Doctor with honesty inside his soul know it. But the truth cannot take off
I feel for those under the Zionazi embargo. I would not have taken Astra Zenica or Pfizer. But here in Mexico, the Gov distributed SINOVAC early in March. Anti sciencers suck. Darwins Laws, I guess.
Since restrictions are lifted I feel free to come out with theory based only on minimal logic, without any tangible facts. (Hopefully, for now).
Known fact from beginning of pandemic: vaccine production is inadequate and it will take long time (years) to vaccinate planet population. (To scale up production).
Logically, if large enough part of population go into panic mode (at the same time), say… within first year, it could be SERIOUS problem.
With consequences far worse than epidemic itself.
Remember toilet paper riots?
Now imagine what would happen if everybody wanted to get vaccine immediately.
My wild conclusion is that governments had done their best to ensure that demand for vaccines is just right.
Useful idiots are tool of choice for such devious task.
Some of recent conspiracy theories are on the level of plot in sixth season of tele-novela.
I can imagine creative team in some dubious government PR-agency, completely exhausted of coming up with new ideas for endless campaign. That’s what all this looks like.
The other benefit is that serious discussion about problems is burred under of mountains of PR-BS.
Problems like changing at will number of ingredients after clinical trials are done.
Just my 2cents, consider this as wild guess.
most of the comments under this Putin’s ‘video are similar to the response to this Saker’s article
https://youtu.be/qW_c6bcu-tQ
Here’s some more science, Dr Malone the inventer of mRNA
https://youtu.be/Du2wm5nhTXY
on ‘vaccines’
By resorting to the usual mainstream’s antics of name calling does not go down well with your ethical reputation. Just like your initial opinion of 911 being a false flag, what if you are erroneous in this issue again?
Your options 2, 3, and 4 are all correct to some extent, therefore I will pick all of those 3 options. Of course, 4 is correct because I have my opinion and it is always right, though my opinion is always based on real fact and logic. I do not have to come up with a wacky conspiracy theory for anything because the powers that be make everything they are doing so obvious that I always have them figured out quickly. I knew the truth about what they were going to do with this FAKE NEWS virus, mask, and vaccine agenda right from the start and I have fought it every single day (NOTHING will ever make me wear the FAKE mask nor take the FAKE vaccine).
Number 2 is certainly true because the idiots the super rich who really rule the world own and get to pretend to be world leaders obviously know something of the truth and they are all constantly proven to be liars (how about Barrack Hussein telling us all we could keep our health insurance when he knew he was being scripted to destroy private health insurance for all people middle class and lower). I call them corporate government because it is more accurate than New World Order, Illuminati, Big Brother, et cetera as they are the top 10% of the global population that own and oppress us all through all the corporations they own and all of the governments they own (including their stooge leaders like Biden, Putin, and the rest). People do not like to admit we are living in 1984 because most of the population are sheep (tell them to hop on 1 foot while rubbing their belly and wearing their mask to prevent Corona Beer Virus and most of them would do it), but everything Orwell wrote was right back in the 1950’s and got worse since then (hence why corporate government killed him with a phony heart attack when he was 49 years old right after he wrote 1984). They know the vaccine is either just a water injection or an injection meant to sterilize and / or kill you, but if they do not want to die of a sudden heart attack, in a small airplane crash, or of a hand written suicide note death fixed up by corporate government for them, then they will keep reading off their teleprompters what they are told to read.
Number 4 is certainly a bit correct as Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Rupert Murdoch, and a few others are really the ones who own and run the whole world under the 1 world government oligarchy (not a monarchy as they do have their differences and conflicting agendas) they created after World War 2 (hence why there was no World War 3 and only phony wars in garbage Asian and African countries nobody goes to nor cares about). No, they are not about the antichrist nonsense (organized religion is just a farce and another of their systems of control) nor killing billions of people (sure they want to bring the birth rate down, but not too far because they still need the masses to worship and toil for them in support of their system of inequity and intolerance) as Corona Beer Virus has not actually killed anybody since it is just a fast acting case of the flu (it is what they told us it would be when they called it Plutoxin 7 virus in the John Carpenter film Escape From LA). Corona Beer Virus was brought back on purpose through the real stargate (anybody wonder why the American department of defense made a good, but mostly unwatched, television series called Stargate SG-1 for 10 years where they told you in an episode of the show it was made for plausible deniability), which is where all of our technology really comes from (how did people suddenly get so smart to have computers and high technology over the past 50 years after living on candle power for thousands of years). We are really supposed to believe some Chinese in huts invented the virus in the middle of nowhere because they always make it the evil Chinese or Russians since they know nobody is going to go over there to investigate it (if it was called the Quebec virus and not the Wuhan virus, then somebody might go to Quebec and find out it is all a fraud, but nobody goes to Wuhan).
“working for the Great-Replacers and “chippers” from Davos, with the Bohemian grovers, with Bill Gates and CFR”
What happened to you, Saker? You are a skilled debater. You know you are framing and demonizing here the people who don’t agree with you.
When you discuss politics you focus on the heavyweights with who you don’t agree. But when it comes to covid you focus on the mad-hatters and you ignore experts like Wodarg and McCullough.
Your reactions in this comment section look childish and out of character. You consistently ignore what people say, sometimes even misquote them and you seem more bent on insulting than convincing.
Hi saker. Sorry and please forgive me for the following. You know what is the current empire and his actors and you are also an orthodox and you know how much they suffered for being orthodox. Napoleon went there for what: conquer a big страна or convert them to another religion? It is obvious the response. Putin called them publicly Bolschevik Ebrew son I can repeat and also add FALSE Ebrew as Jesus said. This time you are commiting a big mistake and Putin Is behaving in some way as traitor to his people. As you know the empire is the enemy of mother earth and what Putin is showing is a submission act. May be the vax sputnik contain just water otherwise …..
I read the whole 1st page of comments. Many were quite insightful and intelligently presented. Of those that were disappointing i would have to say yours were the most so. Your comments here and your decision a while back to stop posting South Front have undermined my confidence in your integrity. I will read the articles presented on this site but will not read those personally penned by you. You are indeed accruing bad karma.
Though I would not expect any comments to change another’s opinion, it is of value to have an exchange of ideas. Thus this thread is appreciated.
What is most important is that authority has done all it can to isolate people who do not agree with their approach. We are bombarded 24/7 with the official narrative. Most of my friends have succumb to getting vaxxed. I often post anti-vax comments and articles on facebook in order to let my un-vaxxed friends know that they are not alone. I do not wish them to be bullied into getting vaxxed because they feel they have no choice.
For most of my life I have not trusted the West’s political leadership nor its media. Yet I felt alone holding this position, wondering why everyone else could be so ignorant, yet also wondering if I was wrong. Then 10 years ago I stumbled upon Gerard Celente online. Instantly discovering I was not alone in my thinking. I’ve since discovered many other great online commentators – like the Saker. I have appreciated the support they’ve all given me.
We’re facing the largest psy-ops in history. I want to thank everyone who stands against the official narrative by posting about what’s really happening. Keep supporting each other!