If anything the past 24 hours have proved, once again, that the US and NATO are opposed to any form of negotiations, confidence-building measures or any other type of negotiations with the Donbass and with Russia. Even though Putin tried really hard to sound accommodating and available for a negotiated solution, the US/NATO policy is clearly to provoke and confront Russia and its allies in every imaginable way. The same goes, of course, for the junta freaks whose forces have acted with special brutality during repressive operations in the city of Mariupol. As for the AngloZionist Empire, it is organizing all sorts of military maneuvers in Poland, the Baltic states and elsewhere. Logically, many of you are coming to the conclusion that a war is becoming a very real possibility and I therefore want to repeat a few things yet again.
First, there is no military option for the AngloZionists in the Ukraine, at least not against Russia. This is primarily due to three fact things: geography, US overreach and politics. Geography, it is much easier for Russia to move a ground forces to the Ukraine than it is for the US/NATO, especially for heavy (mechanized, motor-rifle, armored, tank) units. Second, simply too many US forces are committed elsewhere for the US to have a major war in against Russia in eastern Europe. Third, for the time being the western public is being deceived by the corporate media’s reports about the “Russian paper tiger”, but as soon as the real fighting starts both Europeans and Americans will suddenly wonder if it is worth dying for the Ukraine. Because if a shooting war between the USA and Russia really begins, we will all be at risk (see below).
Remember how the very same media promised that the poorly equipped, poorly trained, poorly commanded and poorly motivated Russian military could not crack the “tough nut” represented by the NATO-trained Georgian military?
Second, we have to remember that it is never possible to oppose to forces on paper and say that “A” is stronger than “B”. Afghanistan and Iraq are perfect examples of the kind of misguided conclusions a self-deluding political leadership can reach when it begins to believe its own lies. So without committing the political “crime of crimes” and suggesting that the invincible US military is anything but invincible, let me suggest the following: if the Russian conventional forces were to be defeated you can be absolutely sure that Russia would have to engage its tactical nuclear capabilities at which point the situation would escalate into a well-known Cold War conundrum. The theory of deterrence suggests that you should reply at the same level, but not above, then your adversary’s first move. So, a Russian tactical nuclear strike in, say, Poland or even the Ukraine would have to be met by a similar US strike. But where? Where is the Russian equivalent of Poland for the USA? Belarus? But that is much more like a Russian strike on Canada – really close to home. Kazakhstan? Ridiculous – too far. Obviously not Armenia. So where would the US retaliate? Against Russian forces in the Donbass, but that is right across the border. Maybe in Russia itself? But that would mean striking at the Russian territory proper. What will Russia do in this case – strike at Poland? Germany? The ‘equivalent’ response would be to strike at the US mainland, of course, but that would be inviting a full-scale US retaliation, which would inevitably be followed by a Russian one. And since neither side can disarm the other in a counter-force disarming strike, we are talking about a nuclear world war a la Dr Strangelove, with nuclear winter and all.
Some might find this kind of reasoning ridiculous, but anybody who has participated in the Cold War will tell you that the best minds in the USA and USSR were busy full time grappling with these issues. Can you guess what they concluded? That a nuclear won cannot be won. But that, in turn, means that no war opposing the USA to Russia can be won because any war of this kind will inevitably turn nuclear before the weaker sides surrenders. Let me put it to you in a somewhat silly but truthful way: the survival of the USA depends on Russia not losing a war. Yes, that’s right. And the converse is also true: Russia’s survival is contingent on the USA not being defeated either.
This is why Foreign Minister Lavrov has been repeating over and over again that no one side can achieve security at the expense of the other and that security has to be collective and even mutual. But was anybody listening to him across the Atlantic?
Of course, for the time being and for the foreseeable future, this will only be true for a war directly opposing Russian and US military forces. Proxy wars are okay, as are covert operations and wars against third parties. But for the time being, only Russia and the USA have the kind of full-spectrum nuclear capabilities to be able to completely destroy the other side “no matter what”. Let me explain.
It has often been said that the Russian and US nuclear forces have to be on high alert and that to avoid being destroyed in a counter-force (counter military) first strike they would have to launch on warning i.e., to launch while the other side’s missiles are incoming and before they hit their targets. The fact is that both countries practice what is called “launched under attack” which is launching while some enemy missiles have already hit. But the truth is that both the USA and Russia could afford what is called “riding out the attack” completely and still have enough strategic nuclear weapons to destroy all the key population centers of the other side. This is due to their highly redundant strategic nuclear forces. The fact is that even if, say, the USA managed to destroy every single Russian bomber and every single Russia nuclear silo, and every single Russian strategic nuclear missile carrying submarine, even those in port (who can launch right from there if needed), Russia would still have enough road-mobile ICBMs to wipe off the USA a a country. The exact same can be said of a Russian first strike on the USA which, even if unrealistically successful would still expose Russia to a massive retaliation by USN strategic nuclear missile carrying submarines. And in the real world no first strike is 100% successful. Even 95% successful is not enough if the remaining 5% can still be shot back at you.
Civilians often complain that Russia and the USA have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet many times over as it that was a sign of insanity. In reality, it is exactly the opposite: it is because both Russia and the USA have the peacetime ability to destroy the planet several times over that in wartime neither side can have any hopes of achieving a first strike successful enough to avoid a massive retaliation. Yes, in the world of nukes, more is better, at least from the point of view of what is called “first strike stability”.
This what sets Russia and the USA really apart: no other nuclear power has a nuclear force whose first strike survivability is as high as Russia and the USA” for the foreseeable future all other nuclear-weapons possessing powers are susceptible to a disarming first strike.
Let me give one more example of how nuclear warfare is counter-intuitive in many ways. We often hear of alert levels (DEFCONs in the USA) and the assumption is that a lower level of defense alert is better. It is not. In fact, a higher alert level is better from the point of view of first strike stability. Here is why:
In complete peacetime (DEFCON 5), most bombers are sitting on the tarmac, most crews doing their training, most subs are moored in port and most critical personnel busy with normal daily tasks. This is exactly when these forces are the most vulnerable to a disarming first strike. At higher levels of alert, the crews will be recalled to their bases, at even higher levels they will be sitting in their planes with engines running and at the highest threat level the bombers will be airborne in prepared holding positions, submarines will be flushed out to sea, all personnel in wartime command posts and, in the USA, the President has his key aides either in the air in Air Force 1 or deep inside a bunker. In other words, a higher degree of alert means much less vulnerability to a first strike and that, in turns, means more time to negotiate, find out what is really going on, more time to avoid a war.
What I am trying to illustrate here is that both Russia and the USA have developed a very sophisticated system to make it impossible for the other side to “win” a war. That system is still there today, in fact Putin has just invited the other heads of state of the CSTO to be present during a large-scale test of the Russian strategic deterrence forces (not because of the Ukraine, this exercise was scheduled over a year ago).
In other words, this means that the US/NATO know that they cannot “win” a war against Russia, not a conventional one and not a nuclear one either. Those who claim otherwise have simply no idea what they are talking about.
Which leaves two possible explanations for the current behavior of the West, and neither of them is encouraging.
First, Obama, Merkel & Co. are lunatics, and they are hell-bent into starting WWIII. I frankly cannot imagine that this is true.
Second, Obama, Merkel & Co are playing a reckless game of chicken with Putin hoping that he is bluffing and that Russia will accept a neo-Nazi run Banderastan which would be hysterically russophobic, a member of NATO and generally become an AngloZionist puppet state like Poland or Latvia.
That, my friends, is not going to happen. This is why on March 1st of this year I wrote an article warning that Russia was ready for war. And it has nothing to do with Putin, Russian imperialism or the kind of nonsense the western corporate media is spewing and everything to do with the fact that the US wants to turn the Ukraine into an existential threat to Russia while keeping together by brute violence and terror a fictional country invented by the deranged minds of western Popes and Jesuits which has no existence in reality and which would implode in less than 24 hours if left by itself.
What makes me believe that we are in a crisis potentially much more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis is that at that time both the US and the USSR fully understood how serious the situation was and that the world had to be brought back from the brink of nuclear war. Today, when I listen to idiots like Obama, Kerry, Psaki & Co. I am struck by how truly stupid and self-deluded these people are. Here they are playing not only with our existence, but even with theirs, and they still are acting as if Putin was some Somali war lord who needed to be frightened into submission. But if that tactic did not work with Somali warlords, why would they think that it will work with Putin?
I will want to force myself to believe that behind all these crazy and ignorant lunatics there are men in uniform who have been educated and trained during the Cold War and who still remember the many hours spent running all kinds of computer models which all came back with the same result over and over again: a victory is impossible and war was simply not an option.
It is also possible that the Empire wants to escalate the situation in the Ukraine enough to force a Russian intervention but not enough to have a shooting war. If so, that is a very risky strategy. I would even call it criminally reckless. It is one thing to engage in all sorts of macho sabre rattling with the DPRK, but quite another to try the same trick on a nuclear superpower. The scary fact is that the bloody Democrats already have such a record of utter recklessness. Do you remember when in 1995 Clinton sent in two US aircraft carriers into the Strait of Taiwan in a cowboy-like show of macho force? At that time the Chinese wisely decided against responding to a stupid action by a equally stupid reaction, but what if this time around Obama decides to show how tough he really is and what if Putin feels that he is cornered and cannot back down?
It is scary to think that the fact that Russian and Chinese leaders are acting in a responsible way actually entices the US to act even more irresponsibly and recklessly but this does seems to be the case, especially when a Democrat is in the White House.
When is the last time you remember a US President taking upon himself to make a constructive proposal to avoid military action or a way? I honestly cannot recall such an instance.
In conclusion I can only repeat what I said so many times: there is no military option for the US/NATO against Russia. As for whether the AngloZionist plutocracy of the 1% who rule over us has gone completely crazy – your guess is as good as mine.
The Saker
“WizOz said…
Judeo-Christian Apocalypticism,
And Biblical (Mis) Interpretation: .. by Taylor Halverson”
Where-Wolf said…
This is absolutely correct. ‘Zion’ theology, as you call it, is the religion of the Anglo-Zionist plutocracy. It is an apocalyptic belief system grounded in the Abrahamic tradition.”
Dearest Where-Wolf and WizOZ,
I don’t know where to start as I am not lost for words, but the space for words is limited.
The Zionist and Christians believe that God is in constant war with Lucifer (A Roman/Greek name). Lucifer is an intentional mistranslation in OT (Isaiah).
But Muslims believe that God is in harmony and HE doesn’t have enemies. If one reads Imam Ali (as) sermon 185 and sermon 1 on God written in early 7th century, one comes out with the idea that Shia believe in:
A ROBOT GOD
Before the Sunnis were Sunnis, they were into two sects. Muʿtazilah and Ash’ari. Muʿtazilah were highly educated and into philosophy as they are the ones who preserved the Greek/Roman philosophy. They didn’t understand Imam Ali (as) sermons and they beat to death these sermons in 8th century and finally came to the conclusion:
GOD DOES NOT EXIST
So they were persecuted by the Ash’ari and the few remaining brains joined the Shia. From then on the Sunnis decided to close the doors on knowledge and started the downfall of the Muslims.
Back to Isaiah and prophesies regarding the King of Babylon (not Jesus) in TaNaKh (the Jewish scripture). No mention is made in TaNaKh of a “Virgin” giving birth but rather a “Young Girl” will give birth.
And, no mention is made of Lucifer. What is mentioned in TaNaKh is about the “Morning Star” in reference to King of Babylon, how the Mighty King has fallen. In OT the “Morning Star” is translated as “Lucifer”. In NT, Jesus is called the “Morning Star” and for this reason the Mormons believe that both Lucifer (Morning Star) and Jesus (Morning Star) are blood brothers.
The preservation of the scripture requires four things and effect of these four things over centuries.
1. Availability of paper, ink, and printing presses when the scripture was descended till today. This is covered by Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why [Bart D. Ehrman].
2. How the scripture was preserved throughout times until today. Either verbal, written or both. From day 1 the Holy Quran was preserved by memorization method and written method serves as check and balance. Till today millions of Muslims memorize the complete Quran. The written method alone can leave subtle changes from printing to printing as in the case of Bible.
3. The state of language when the scripture was descended. Arabic is an older language than Hebrew. Hebrew was dead during the times of Jesus and it was revived from Arabic in 19th century. However, when the Quran was descended old, old Arabic was written without the short vowels and without dots so the letters like N, T, B … could not be recognized from each other. Thus, a proper grammar was created for the Quran and this Arabic is called, Quranic (Classical) Arabic. This is taught in Universities as linguistic to Arabic students regardless of their faith. From 12th to 15th century, the short vowels and so forth were inserted in TaNaKh from the Quranic Arabic.
4. Translation of the scripture is not allowed. Therefore, the Quranic (Classical) Arabic is same Arabic which the masses speak, read and understand today. Compare this to English, German, Roman, Greek and so forth.
Conclusion: Due to fact that TaNaKh was written without short vowels and so forth. Also, Hebrew was a dead language, therefore it was the Rabbis who translated the TaNaKh into OT, leaving traps as intentional mistranslations and/or from threats of the Roman Empire. Jesus kept saying that the Pharisee write the TaNaKh with their own hands, but unfortunately the whole TaNaKh (seventy books) was accepted by the Christians as True Word of God.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Dear Saker –
I watched the parade on the Red Square. What I found striking was that everybody involved wore the St George’s Band on their uniforms – and the armoured vehicles, tanks, mobile missile launchers: they all had the band/colours painted on the sides of the vehicles.
Pretty impressive, and sending a very impressive message to the Ukraine.
I don’t know anything about military hardware, so I just hope NATO officials are going to think again if they assume they can stand against what was on show this morning.
Victory Day in Slavyansk.
Photo, video:
http://politobzor.net/show-20890-9-maya-v-g-slavyanske-doneckoy-oblasti-foto.html
BR
shed
Look people, I think that man’s like Obama and Kerry haven’t the real power in USA, but they are just something like messenger for the public.The real power is hidden behind, and that power is the owners of megacorporations, big banks and FED,and they have the power and influence always, doesn’t matter who will win the elections.
Now, you say that there is no winner in nuclear war and both Russia and USA (and the rest of the World will suffer). I agree with that, and if that is true, then must be that peace is bad for that hidden imperial power (NWO, banksters, Illuminati or call them as you like…)and that their empire should collapse in peaceful circumstances . They want to rule whole world, all the people in this planet, and they think that some massive catastrophe like nuclear war is best for that. Many people will die, maybe more than the half of world population, but that is they want…while they will be safe in their underground shelters. We all knows that there are plans for depopulation of the world . There will be death, disease, hunger, despair…but think twice, this is best situation for them, when people are desperate and broken , the people will accept anybody who can make their lives better, even for the cost of the freedom. Then they will offer some hope and people will accept, but that will be false hope, because if people accept help from that monsters, they will became their slaves. So once again, nuclear power is worst scenario for the people, but is best scenario for those who like to enslave that what will remain from humanity !
The idea that war is imminent is predication on the notion that war is not extant.
The “Cold War” never finished nor was it cold, it has mutated form and vector.
I have to say that I’m quite proud of Kiev today. Though the new authorities might outlaw the Victory Day holiday next year, there was a large enough turnout. Not like prior years, since there is fear of being too Russian, but a damn good turnout. I’ll have more to say about this later, because today is a holiday or holidays here.
Good work Kiev! Hoorah!
The problem is that the US nuts actually believe they have effective first strike capability and possess the necessary defensive technology to prevail with ‘acceptable losses’.
The ‘Aurora’ class secret hypersonic aircraft and naval rail guns as examples of why the US secret government believe they have superior capability to intercept hostile forces.
Whether or not those are real and available at this point in time is moot – the crazies calling the shots in the US believe it to be true and that belief alone is reason for a high degree of concern.
The world is not binary, but linear. Phenomena are alloys.
Science embraces doubt whilst religion is the assuaging of doubt.
The blog is of course monitored and the content makes valid points on nuclear assessment, which given perceived audience and time is likely valid.
However even the opposition can be catalysed initially by doubt but fortunately still scurry back into “the prevailing paradigm” for comfort, although they don’t all wear green suits or campaign buttons.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/05/05/how_putin_is_reinventing_warfare
In negotiation it is useful sometimes to inform the opposition, but never to educate the opposition.
Tom Lehrer came to a simlar conclusions back in the 60’s
We’ll all go together when go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoBrob3bjI
Sometimes humor gets the point across at an emotional level.
A few observations on your piece,Saker: you write: “there is no military option for the AngloZionists in the Ukraine, at least not against Russia.” [my emphasis] But later you note that “it is also possible that the Empire wants to escalate the situation in the Ukraine enough to force a Russian intervention but not enough to have a shooting war.”
Apart from a direct military clash, are not ongoing false flags, sabotage, cut-throat mercenaries, ‘low level’ conflict, arranged ‘suicide’ bombings, etc – in short, US/NATO gladio-ish state sponsored hellish violence – the contemporary alternative US/NATO warfare? Arranged within the Ukraine in an attempt to antagonize and demonize Russia, is this not a plausible despicable option, instead of direct military action.
You write: “Can you guess what they [specialists in the field] concluded? That a nuclear won cannot be won.”
But this did not stop top level military in the US from advocating nuclear war before, after, and during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kennedy desisted. And am I mistaken in assuming, based on subsequent released transcripts and analysts’ sober second thought, that nuclear war during the CMC was avoided as much or more through serendipity’s grace as through good management?
You write:” What makes me believe that we are in a crisis potentially much more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis is that at that time both the US and the USSR fully understood how serious the situation was.”
Again, from the historical record, there were those in influential positions, at least in the US, who didn’t seem to draw sane conclusions, no matter what the logic and real implications of nuclear war were via the cogitations of experts and sober-minded people, and in any case this did not stop the situation from going to the very brink. It was not ‘fully understanding the situation’ that saved us.
A disturbing little noted development over the last year or so has been the replacement of top people in the US nuclear weapons hierarchy.
Another point pertains to the possibility that those with actual effective command of elements of the US nuclear conglomeration might risk an insane limited nuclear exchange, to create martial law conditions in order to attempt to derail their uncloaking and fall from power: those who arranged 9/11 were more than peripheral to power in the US. They clearly had extensive command and control capability within the US and are clearly not loyal to the people or the constitution of the US, nor to ethical norms, but to cold blooded perversity.
This is line with the first comment in this thread.
Some analysis of Obama by Robert Parry who helped expose Iran Contra
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/08/putins-subtle-message-to-obama/
Not sure he is right but it seems plausible. Can he act like Jack Kennedy did?
Hi Saker,
Nice article and its something I have often wondered about myself. Particularly puzzling to me is why the EU and specifically Germanys Merkel going along with the americans craziness. Has washington got such a strangle hold on Germany that they are willing to hang themselves in order to go along with american foreign policy?
In spite of all of Snowdens revelations on NSA spying on Germany and the bugging of Merkels mobile phone, the refusal of washington to sign a no spying treaty with Germany, refusal of washington to let Merkel see the file on her by the NSA and the americans still dragging their feet on repatriating Germanys gold bullion back to Germany we still have Merkel trailing washington like a poodle which I find totally baffling.
My own take on the situation is this : the yanks are a one trick pony and completely unimaginative. If something works for them once they will try it again. So I believe their current plan is to lure president Putin into invading east Ukraine and then embroil Russia in an Afghanistan type war of attrition using their rent a mob blackwater mercenaries and the right sector nazis thereby weakening Russia by draining her in a war right on her own borders. I have no doubts in my mind that the neo cons in washington pulling the strings are completely barking, they are completely divorced from reality and I am sure there are quite a few of them who do think they can win a war against the Russians, after all they wont be the ones doing the actual fighting and dying. They have gotten so used to destroying third world country after third world country that they have started believing their own propaganda in their “exceptionalism” and I truly believe only an actual nuclear strike on the american mainland will shock people back to their senses and stop the murderous neo con agenda. And they must be stopped because ultimately we are all in danger from the bellicosity and belligerance of the neo con driven washington agenda, if not today it will be our turn at some future point.
Life is a process of discovering who is who, and what is what.
You can command the waves to recede, but you are unlikely to succeed.
If timing is right you can conflate causation with co-existance, and co-existance with correlation, thereby increasing the odds of future innundation.
Afford your opponents opportunities to conflate.
Even pool is not about potting one ball – and its rumoured that Samson had a haircut.
On nuclear winter and the case for nuclear disarmament or at least a dramatic reduction in US and Russian nuclear arsenal
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11819
Anonymous at 5:54 posted a link.
http://yurasumy.livejournal.com/
below is google translation:
Where there are two Ukrainians there are three hetmans
yurasumy
May 8th, 21:07
I’ll try to put together and make sense of some of the events of recent days. All of them are pretty good fall into a coherent picture.
I would start with a ” talking head ” Obama , who urged the junta to “terminate” ATO and start looking for ways out of the situation. It happened ( in Kiev ) on the night of 7 number. 7 number Putin’s statement essentially the same thing only more specifically about the items that should be done. Supported the statement and European representatives .
Actions junta remarkable. In words, she is determined to carry on until the last ATU Ukrainian. Pulled artillery. tanks, MLRS . Completely blocked ( according to her ) Slovyansk . 7 number actually ATO was not conducted ( local battles . Rather counter- subversive war). And after Putin’s announcement complete calm under Slavonic , which continues until now ( albeit under a verbal ” diarrhea ” representatives of the junta ) . Not only in the fully “locked ” city today penetrated machines byuletnyami for voting. My question is – how ?
Exemption Gubaryov like also does not seem to desire to continue ATU and disrupt the referendum .
Concludes: “The ATO actually ended, but this has not yet announced , not to get an explosion in Kiev .” Junta releases to float freely DNR and LC . At least she had not disturb them . Today, without much resistance DNR continues to take control of the city of Donbass. The only ones who really ” interfere ” in the processes that use it from an unknown group of PS in the area of Mariupol. There is speculation that this special battalion “Dnepr”. This is no accident . Clearly, Benny is bending over backwards to disrupt the referendum in the Donbass. He knows who is next in line . It is also clear that Kiev Kolomoyskogo no controls . This is a separate feudal state , which has its own armed forces , territory and populations that hate him . Almost all the actual fighting group SS already deduced Kolomoiskiy territory that it is controlling. That’s why now near Odessa battalion battalion located in Beni troops . You do not want to upset people from Odessa , but it looks like they want to stay there forever.
From all the above, I do terrible for Ukraine , but it is obvious to me conclusion. Ukraine has three.
1. This LC and DNR .
2 . Kolomoyskogo This feud . Dnepr Zaporozhye, Odessa, Kharkiv (not yet definitively ) . In the coming days he will try to bend under him Kherson and Nikolayev . Apparently the operation has already started and will be held starting tomorrow .
More in the next post
Continuation:
3 . This is still formally the “residual ” Ukraine, which is torn by hard elites into zones of influence .
Apotheosis seems to be May 25. Tymoshenko has already stated that it does not recognize the result ( which is obvious ) . Uniquely her gang will attempt to carve out a piece of yourself and ” Ukraine” ( if it does not retain the entire piece ) . Thus the decay of Ukraine may be fixed in the results of the events of 25 May.
If it happens that way , then it is clear that the persistence with which Kolomoysky struggling with rebellion. It was his feud will be next , and Kiev until no danger (because Mariupol forces trying to keep Kolomoyskogo . This is his best ” checkpoint ” ) . Hence it is clear that the junta does not make sense to get involved in this fight ( which she does . Strenuously It generates its army , which soon need. Paruby already announced a “call to service hundreds of self-defense ” ) . It is a war of liberation movements and the Southeast Kolomoyskogo . Without support from Kiev last doomed. A support does not seem to be .
Now the pair – Poroshenko Tymoshenko. Submit a lasting peace between them can be in only one case . Agree among themselves when the U.S. elite . And it is not yet visible. Means to be a fight . For the battle is one thing. TCU ( TCU to control Southeast is not needed. Therefore it is released while a separate swimming). Moreover, each of the parties have “arguments ” on which they can rely on. Poroshenko is the clear favorite in the election. Yulia has the real power , the Interior Ministry and MAT (what ‘s left of them ) . Such a small Marketplace in miniature. Julia instead of Yanukovych. Poroshenko – opposition . What the outcome is even difficult to imagine. For Kolomoyskogo clearly the best ” neighbor ” would Poroshenko for Putin and DOYUV – Tymoshenko. That is a civil war can break up into two “wars” in the coming months . And then a federation of South- East of Ukraine (currently consisting of LC and DNI ) would be ” a strong move .” Putin Donbass not needed. In contrast to the Crimea is 100% headache . Much more profitable and more logical on the basis of these republics to form the backbone of the future of Ukraine which over time can be attached and the rest of the field .
PS I understand what I said at the moment it seems unlikely. But it was too good in this scheme lie facts. Accept this scheme while for the hypothesis .
Tags: The territory that was once Ukraine
N-V
“As for whether the AngloZionist plutocracy of the 1% who rule over us has gone completely crazy – your guess is as good as mine.”
Saker,
Somebody clever (I forget who) with deep insight once said “Madness is not the loss of reason. It is the loss of everything but reason”.
So it is with our 1%. Having lost their capacity for balanced judgement, they proceed with both vigour and rigour from false premises to bizarre action.
And therein lies the rub, for all of us.
Erebus
It may be keeping for it from the goyim, but the yiddish blessing should be,
May you be blessed with wise friends and stupid enemies.
Look on the bright side, Marie Antoinette reportedly thought they should eat cakes, whereas Victoria apparently delivered them.
Re: “… Not sure he is right but it seems plausible. Can he [Obama] act like Jack Kennedy did?”
Mr. Obama may recognize he faces the same fate as JFK, if he tries to act like JFK. My guess is that LBJ recognized it, steering the Warren Commission to blame Oswald alone, rather than the Soviets and Cubans, clearly set up as a casus belli (see “JFK and the Unspeakable…” by James W. Douglass). He gave the “neos” of his time Vietnam as a consolation prize, thereby saving us all from nuclear war. Mr. Obama (if not entirely an empty suit) may face the same stark choice: having to give the neos Syria or Iran, rather than the war with Russia they clearly want.
There was a 1983 movie starring Matthew Broderick in which a computer runs a simulation prior to a first strike against the then Soviet Union. It stops itself when it realises that there are no winning scenarios. Perhaps somebody can rent that movie for President Obama.
Mindfriedo
Today being Victory Day, it seemed like a good opportunity to ask you, Saker, if you have heard of or read the book by Victor Suvorov titled: The Chief Culprit: Stalin’s Grand Design to Start World War II.
Suvorov as a former Russian army intelligence officer, has been digging through recently released Kremlin documents and revels (among other things) that:
Stalin conspired with German leaders to bypass the Versailles Treaty, which forbade German rearmament, and secretly trained German engineers and officers and provided bases and factories for war.
After Germany occupied Poland, defeated France, and started to prepare for an invasion of Great Britain, Hitler’s intelligence services detected the Soviet Union’s preparations for a major war against Germany. This detection, he argues, led to Germany’s preemptive war plan and the launch of an invasion of the USSR.
The rapid Nazi advance initially was due to Stalin’s forces being deployed for offensive rather than defensive operations, however, after the initial shock of the German attack (and thanks in large part to the winter of ’42) the Soviet forces with superior equipment and the numerical superiority in artillery, tanks, aircraft and boots on the ground, were able to chew up the 80% of the German war machine they fought.
The picture that emerges of Stalin as a diabolical genius at manipulation and misdirection is quite remarkable.
Bonjour Saker,
I think your analysis suffers from CEP = Civilized European Prejudice. Back in early March, you wrote a piece “Obama just made things much, much worse in the Ukraine – now Russia is ready for war”. And my remarks on that piece apply with equal vigour to this one as well. To wit:
Firstly, the degenerate, moribund US Empire will NEVER resort to anything but confrontation, coercion and total deception all along the line. Whether Russia likes it or not, given the violent, extreme insanity of Western imperialism, Russia has no other option than to take down the beast once again in a merciless, ferocious battle. Nazism, after all, is the spawn of Americanism = the epitome of Western imbecility and depravity. Indeed, Ukraine’s Nazi style coup d’état furnishes an excellent proof positive of all these ideological connections.
The second remark below was about the notion that the West is “playing with fire”:
The West understands full well what fire is from its centuries long, sweet experience of successful, global plunder and genocide. And, yes, it remains as dearly infatuated with this rewarding behaviour as ever — it forms a key part of its very class consciousness, mind you. But at such a historical juncture as this, the ruling corporate elite instinctively realizes that the fire is becoming more and more unpredictable and erratic. Parasitic ruling classes, however, have little options than resorting to fire as their decline begins to bite — hence their “playing” with it.
For the information of the entire readership here: A few years back, there was a Russian blogger around with the quite astute pseudonym of “poiuytr” (type it!) and whose blog was named >> Insurrection Daily. The global insurrection against Western occupation >>. He wasn’t a military or security policy expert to rival you, Saker. But this was made up for by his rock-solid understanding of the West as an utter horrible plague on the planet, including much of its “civilized” inhabitants. poiuytr and the rest of us usually referred to the latter as lowlives, Neanderthals, or braindead baboons. Indeed, the adorable William Kristol, former Chief of Staff — mind you — recently complained:
>> What’s the good of nuclear weapons if you can’t use them? >>
I conclude this rather lengthy post with poiuytr’s extraordinary assessment which rings truer today than ever before:
“The West is made up by bankrupt hideous baboons for whom the total destruction of humanity and, indeed, life itself is their only capable wetdream”.
As for whether the AngloZionist plutocracy of the 1% who rule over us has gone completely crazy – your guess is as good as mine.
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They are not crazy. They are possessed. This is for sure.
The only thing which could help get their attention is Putin’s whispers in the right ears that Russia has developed a “Titus Option”.
Opposite to Samson, Titus survived.
@ Where-wolf
The serfdom was unknown in Russia. It was introduced only by Catherine II, a German by birth and Protestant by soul, fiercely anti Church as Peter I; during their tenures the monasticism almost disappeared from Russia, because of their persecutions.
It’s for this that the West call both “Great”, as Charles the Frank.
It was abolished by the Tsar Alexander III, it did last only a century in Russia.
The key to understand Russia is Christ. The mysterious Russian soul is the Christian soul; it’s mysterious only to non Christian (mind you, I’m not proposing the equation Russian=Christian here).
I will only stress who a Christian is. A Christian is who thinks that every crime (sin) can be forgiven if REPENTED of, not just confessed. God cannot be mocked!
You cannot win the Christian soul; Christian will choke you in their own blood. Where is the mighty pagan Roman Empire? Where is the mighty atheist Soviet Union? Gone, chocked by the blood of millions martyrs.
It’s that soul whom Stalin did appeal to smash the Germans, after the first catastrophic years of war, that same soul that Bolsheviks had tried so hard to destroy until then.
Bolsheviks had distinguished until that moment for being crushed by Poles in the first years after the Revolution and nailed down by Finnish, beyond being literally overwhelmed by Germans at the beginning.
They were very good to murder, not to fight.
Then Stalin openly called for Mother Russia, persecutions against the Church did stop to never again resume as before and the atheist leader had the Icon of the Most Holy Theotokos flied over Moscow for protection in the worst moments.
After that, Germans did choke in the Russian blood too and that mysterious soul did start to regain slowly the upper hand
You’ll not prevail against that soul in the open. You have to subtly turn her away from Christ, to disavow Him and to apostatize, a tactical so successful in the West and also in Russia, in 1917, to the extent that useful idiots did get rid of the Sovereign.
They did try again after the suddenly triggered Soviet Union collapse; they almost succeeded!
In less than 10 years atheist consumerism was on the verge of obtaining what 70 years of atheist communism could not: the annihilation of that soul!
Of course, Russia does not exist without that soul. Russia is Holy Rus’ or she isn’t! You can have Russian citizens, Russian government, et cetera, but you shall not have Russia.
A little advice for nostalgic Soviet there, to conclude.
Flush down the toilet Lenin and all the other Bolsheviks leaders, where they belong, and substitute them with Christ. Substitute the Capital (a real misery of philosophy, after all, full of bias and logical non sequitur) with the Gospels.
Ask then for citizens votes, (almost) the same political program, but with Christ instead of Marx and the rest of Jewish revolutionary as the cornerstone.
And feel free to drop me a few lines of thanksgiving after.
“Nussiminen on 09 May, 2014 15:55 said…
“The West is made up by bankrupt hideous baboons for whom the total destruction of humanity and, indeed, life itself is their only capable wetdream”.”
Dear Nussiminen,
Excellent!
Add, to that that the West believes that God is in Constant War with the Evil. And, eventually the Good will triumph the Evil.
So, they need to help God. They go on looking for Evil and their Exceptional Selves make them see Evil where there is no Evil. Thus, they create their own Reality. Now they have to help God to fight Evil, and they keep on destroying humanity.
The total destruction of Earth and all life on Earth.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Where-Wolf:I want to add one more idea to this regarding the Russian soul. Few people in the West understand the psychological differences between Russians and themselves. 90% of modern Russians are decendants of people who were ‘serfs’ barely more than a century ago.
That statement is typical of the racist and condescending bullshit westerners brainwashed by centuries of russophobia parrot over and over again. FYI – serfdom was abolished in Russia in 1861 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_reform_of_1861). Though serfdom is not the same as slavery, it is comparable and thus it is interesting to see when slavery was abolished in the Anglo world. By the British Empire between 1833-1843. USA 1863 (Emancipation Declaration) 1865 (end of Civil War). As for the Zionists, they never renounced enslaving non-Jews anyway. Thus: Russia not only did not have any form of serfdom a century ago, it abolished serfdom right between the time when the British Empire and the USA abolished slavery.
You will not find a single Russia person alive today who has any recollection of serfdom, while there are millions of Americans who still remember Jim Crow and the lynching of Blacks. I won’t even go into the “continental poly-genocide” of Native Americans which can be compared to the record of the Russian Empire in which not a single nation was genocided. On that record, we know that the Zionits are engaged in a genocide against Palestinians right now, supported, of course, by the entire Anglo world.
So much for comparing the Russian soul and the AngloZionist one.
The Saker
Saker,
I hope you understand that when I brought up serfdom and peasantry the other day, it was not AT ALL as a racist or derogatory thing! I’m probably not expressing this very articulately but African-American slavery here was very, very different and far more brutalizing than probably any form of it anywhere else, whereas the serfdom model as adopted by Russia (later than anywhere else in Europe, I believe) functioned for a very long time in peoples’ minds as part of an organic whole where each level in society played its own role in contributing to the welfare of every other part. So even though there certainly were instances of serfs being brutalized, my understanding is that was more of a bug than a feature: they certainly weren’t routinely bred, bought and sold for profit — as done and described by none other than Thomas Jefferson. He calculated about 5%, not bad for that time period and certainly enough to make the state of Virginia (where slavery otherwise wasn’t profitable), very wealthy indeed when they were raised as a commodity for the Lower South. So serfs in Russia in 1861, quite unlike Blacks in America at the same time, could not only expect to remain in their homes, with their families, but to a very great extent see that they were contributing to the welfare of all around them. (I’m not praising the system but looking at how people could live within it far better, far, far more securely, than any slave or slave-descendant here.) Bottom line, there was a trust in Little Papa NO slave here could ever possibly feel. And I think — again probably not very articulately — that Eastern culture as a whole, far before the existence of serfdom, valued a collective, for-the-benefit-of-everyone, kind of mentality that I don’t think ever did exist in the West — it certainly never did here after the white man arrived. One church, one community *might* have some cohesiveness, but always in an “us vs. them” way. And what we’re seeing now is that Western individualism, “let-me-get-everything-I-can-for-myself-and-the-hell-with-everyone-else”, taken to its logical, and very horrifying, extreme. But I’m also wondering if the sense of being part of a whole where one’s needs generally are met — as under serfdom, peasantry and Communism — in combination with what I consider the very healthy concern for humanity as a collective whole, might not be contributing to the hesitancy of so many in the South East to become as aggressive as we here would expect.
During my travels in Russia I came to be struck by the cultural differences between the US and Russia – despite an initial impression that the first place I visited (a large city in central Siberia) had what I would call a very European feel to it. This visit took place in 1993 and society was in a state of chaotic transition. The people we visited highly educated academics) hadn’t been paid in 6 months and everyone was raising potatoes tomatoes and cucumbers etc on plots of ground here, there and everywhere, fishing, gathering from the forest – putting up food for winter. Despite the crazy state of affairs people had their sense of humor and exhibited an amazing resilience and ability to adjust. They were all still going to work of course. Their outlook on life, sense of humor, personal relations all had a markedly different character than what I was used to while still retaining some familiar elements.
This ability to put up with, and adjust to, difficult circumstances had what I judged to be a negative aspect also – a willingness to put up with bullsh*t – a sense of resignation perhaps, that I felt held people and society back.
This particular city had been a dumping ground for intellectuals from the western regions since the time of the tzars and thus had a lively cultural and intellectual life and people from a wide range of backgrounds. The history of the area struck me in its similarities to the US history. Europeans came to exploit the natural resources (furs mostly) and subjugated the indigenous population to this task with alcohol and cheap firearms. after 300 years it was a meltingpot of cultures.
People in the villages still dressed smartly and everyone raised flowers it seemed.
There was another fault – excessive consumption of alcohol – that I came to think was perhaps a natural response to things as they were and had been, but often destructive in effect.
I have visited a number of times since – various regions including Moscow – and always had a memorable time and I remain grateful for these opportunities.
the pessimist
Let’s try with an accelerated course to get rid of the principal western dogmas about Russia today.
http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/myths-about-contemporary-russia/
“Maedhros on 09 May, 2014 16:22 said…
I will only stress who a Christian is. A Christian is who thinks that every crime (sin) can be forgiven if REPENTED of, not just confessed. God cannot be mocked!
Dear Maedhros,
The above is what the Muslims believe too. Does that make them Christians?
We own God, or He owns us? Do we have exclusive right on God?
“Maedhros on 09 May, 2014 16:22 said…
You’ll not prevail against that soul in the open. You have to subtly turn her away from Christ, to disavow Him and to apostatize, a tactical so successful in the West and also in Russia, in 1917, to the extent that useful idiots did get rid of the Sovereign.
I am 61 now. When I was a kid, I asked my dad, why the Holy Quran considers Christians to be closest to the Muslims, even though the Christians are non-Monotheistic (believing in Holy Trinity).
His answer : Prince of Peace Jesus (as) has installed the true love of God in his adherents that no others have been able to. Best answer! :)
Best regards,
Mohamed
@Nora
We here in the West have no right whatsoever to expect Ukrainians to act any differently than they are. I enjoy your posts Nora, but I take issue with the suggestion that communism has made Ukrainians passive. Today celebrated the Russian triumph over nazism 69 years ago… nothing passive about that! In fact, without the Russians, Americans would probably be speaking German today.
Americans in particular are sitting on their butts and closing their eyes to all that the USG is doing around the world… I read somewhere that only 6%/7% of Americans think the US ought to intervene in the Ukraine. But they absorb the disinformation from the MSM… believe Russia is ‘evil’ – even so called intelligent folks. Americans are sitting back while our tax dollars are being stolen by the 1% – courtesy the USG, which is controlled/occupied by a foreign country. Americans just go about their daily business – I often wonder what exactly would light a fire in their belly.
Native Americans lived in ‘collectives’ for eons before the Europeans came. Capitalism sucks! It’s a ponzi scheme… what would all the banksters do if Americans lived in a ‘collective’ – Not gonna happen! The banksters (please stop calling them the ‘Elite’ – they are anything but…) want the whole planet to live under capitalism… the better to control and steal from us.
namaste
@KC
“Some analysis of Obama by Robert Parry who helped expose Iran Contra”
A nice read, thank you.
@Mohamad
“I am 61 now”
MashAllah, though I expected you to be a lot younger.
Mindfriedo
Does that make them Christians?
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Of course not, my statement applies only inside the billions who pretend to be Cristians today.
“…even though the Christians are non-Monotheistic (believing in Holy Trinity).”
If You, your Word and your Spirit are three different individuals, well, then you’re right: we are polytheists.
@Saker
On the Russian soul (formerly serfs).
That statement is typical of the racist and condescending bullshit westerners…
It was not meant to be condescending although as I read it again, I accept your interpretation and apologize for my poor choice of words and insensitive example.
I was trying to draw a distinction between the aggressive individualism of the West and what I perceive to be the more passive communalism of Russian civilization, an example of which is the slow gathering of defenders in the east.
Far from criticizing this tendency, I admire it and see it as a source of strength without which Fascism could never have been stopped. We have gone so far in the other direction in the West, thinking we are free when in fact we are a society comprised of perfectly contented slaves. Plodding Slavs have not followed us in this direction and are therefore far more liberated in their thinking than are we.
Happy Victory Day.
“Maedhros on 09 May, 2014 19:09 said…
If You, your Word and your Spirit are three different individuals, well, then you’re right: we are polytheists.”
Dearest Maedhros,
Muslims don’t believe that the Creator can be creation.
Shia Muslims go one step further and say that everything is creation. Existence vs. non-existence.
Everything is non-existence beside God, therefore every thing is created. Humans, emotions, love, hate, good, evil, senses, instincts and so forth are all creations. Therefore, Creator cannot be any of these. He cannot be creation. Just like there cannot be two creators.
In my comments to Where-Wolf and WizOZ above, I have shown how the so called, “chosen people” hijacked the Christians religion through TaNaKh’s translation to OT. I want also to show how they hijacked Islam too, if anyone is interested.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
The key question is, “How badly off is the European economy?”
It is rapidly descending into deflation, a condition that favors coupon clippers, but destroys the populace at large.
Is it so badly off that the only “solution” is a war to distract and conscript the masses (test case in Ukraine?)?
@Maedhros
I have mentioned before my weakness concerning religious understandings. I see how this ignorance wrecked what I wanted to say.
Concerning repentance, I did not make the proper distinction. I was talking about about the institution of Confession and how it is interpreted in the spiritually declining world in which we live. I can think of too many examples where the underlying message of Christ is ignored while the rhetoric remains intact. Perhaps this is too cynical but my intent was not to insult Catholics. I was raised in an irreligious family although I see myself as ‘ethnically’ Catholic, if that makes any sense.
When you say “flush down the toilet Lenin and all the other Bolsheviks leaders, where they belong, and substitute them with Christ”, I become nervous.
I become nervous because it seems insufficient to replace one King with another, even the most righteous of all. Surely we must do much more than make a substitution. I do not believe we can all find the ‘Christ’ within. I do not believe all souls are made in the likeness of Christ. I am deeply skeptical of idea that such an end point will ever exist. There have been people in my life I have no desire to forgive. Why must I forgive? For myself, OK, maybe it would be nice to let go but I often prefer to remember if only to defend myself. I cannot simply fall to the floor and beg for deliverance. If this is a strength then I do not possess it.
Perhaps that is why you can say that you have faith while I have never been confident enough to say so myself. I know of it’s value and necessity but this is obviously different from belief.
Of course, as always, I remain eager to learn. Thanks for your comments.
@Where-Wolf:It was not meant to be condescending
I know. My angry reply is not really directed at you but at the prevalence of the russophobic myths in the western propaganda machine which nolens volens infects most people not only in the West, but even in Russia too.
You *ARE* right that the Russian culture is much more “collective” but this is not due to serfdom but to more complex phenomena of Russian history of which by far the most important one is the Orthodox ethos towards the community, towards death, towards struggle, self-sacrifice and suffering. The West which has been cut off from its original Christian roots for more than 1000 years now has mis-interpreted these aspects as a sign of the “serf mentality” of the Russian “mujik” but that re-interpretation is a reflection of the cultural reality of the West and not the cultural reality of Russia.
Anyway – sorry for the angry tone of my reply, I am rather under pressure these days (barely have the time to get anything done) and this morning when I read your comment right after seeing people in Mariupol trying to stop Western-backed neo-Nazis APCs with their bare hands just set me off this morning. The angry tone of my reply is a reflection of MY weakness and fallibility and not your post.
I apologize to you.
Kind regards,
The Saker
I have a pretty fair amount of Native American blood and a very deep appreciation of the cultural advantages thereof, absolutely agree with everything you’re saying about America and Americans and seriously doubt that anything but hatred could ever light any kind of fire in most bellies here. I was just rather clumsily trying to praise the collectivism that, along with Eastern Orthodoxy, I think contributed to the grit, determination and sacrifice that that led to the victory being celebrated today.
@Mohamed
It is good to be reminded that I am ignorant of so many things — as has happened repeatedly today.
I am out of my depth in these matters. My reduced understanding is that scripts were written by scribes employed by self interested Kings. The scribes wrote the stories and changed them according to the needs of the rulers.
If I understand correctly, you believe that the Quran is the perfectly preserved word of God. With respect, I have difficulty accepting this but it is impossible for me to know. I have seen the way religion is abused by so-called believers and non-believers alike. I have only my own experience to guide me and it tells me that everything I have ever read is propagandistic.
What is not propagandistic, to me, are the emotions and intuitions I experience with I am directly in contact. This requires presence in a reality which can’t be represented in written form. Words are abstract symbols meant to precisely define something that is often undefinable. Does that make any sense?
Here’s an example:
Bring me the number ‘3’
Can you?
I am not trying to be clever but I don’t mean bring me three oranges or tap your finger three times — I mean the actual thing that we mean when we say ‘three.’
I put it to you that you can never bring me the number three but only a an abstract representation of it. Three is therefore something beyond our understanding as limited beings.
It is the soul which must reach for the number three and it is there where we experience it.
If I accept that the soul exists but also cling to the notion that it can’t be properly represented by anything fashioned by human hands (such as book) then am I denying the existence of God or just the ability of humans to grasp and properly represent him?
In other words, if I can’t question a book then surely I also can’t question men.
Simply put: I am afraid of this.
@Saker
I had the experience of living with a Russian family for just two weeks of my life, right after my house burned down. This is not much time to come to an understanding of the Russian soul but I can tell you that the feeling I had amongst them has never left me. All my days since, when I think of them and their kindness, generosity, sincerity, I am re-spiritualized.
The experience of coming to your blog during this terrible moment has rekindled some of those feelings. I wish I could return what I received from what were basically strangers. It makes me so furious to see good people suffer for the greed and stupidity of a monstrous few.
I could never have imagined feeling so directly involved in this but I am conscious that my connection is distant and very different from what you must be experiencing. I want you to know that I am embarassed by the people who have caused this suffering and that they have done so in my name infuriates me.
I am grateful for your efforts.
Thank you and please remian resolute.
Mr Where_Wolf
“Three is therefore something beyond our understanding as limited beings.”
Umm, no, in fact the very opposite is the case. Simple abstract objects are precisely the only “things” that are fully “understandable”. That is why they were the very first objects that were understood. Understanding them is what led to our understanding (however flawed) of the rest of the universe.
But, one would have to start an epistemology thread to flesh this out, and that is surely out of place here.
Erebus
@ The Jews used to have another place to escape, where the people were not Jew aware yet, but where are they going to go now?
What about Birobidzhan, where Putin invites them to go to? They will be in the heart of the incoming economic boom, with the chance to contribute to the growth of the EEU! They will perhaps thank Stalin.
@I don’t know where to start as I am not lost for words, but the space for words is limited.
Dear Mahomed,
I feel sorry to tell that you are not lost for words, but out of your depth.
Again, the Quran is irrelevant in the interpretation of Christian Scriptures. How they must be interpreted is told by the Holy Apostle Peter:
“For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
The Luficer that you believe Christians believe that is the adversary of God is the “day star” of which St. Peter speaks in the passage quoted above: “ἕως οὗ ἡμέρα διαυγάσῃ καὶ φωσφόρος ἀνατείλῃ ἐν ταῖς καρδίαις ὑμῶν (II Peter, 1, 19)
@Back to Isaiah and prophesies regarding the King of Babylon (not Jesus) in TaNaKh (the Jewish scripture). No mention is made in TaNaKh of a “Virgin” giving birth but rather a “Young Girl” will give birth.
I do sincerely hope that you will realize that in this respect Muslims endorse the Jewish interpretation of the prophecy. They are their objective allies, no matter their protestations.
What makes a Christian is the belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ:
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. (1 John, 4, 1-3).
@ Where-wolf
I’m not Catholic, my statement was just meant for Catholic and all those who pretend to be Christian, and think that God is a kind of bureaucrat; you present the certificate of confession and He will stamp it.
Some centuries ago the Popes could even tell you can buy a free pass for a congruous number of ducats.
Protestants by then think that they do not need anymore to present the certificate too.
This kind of faults are not strange to some nominal Orthodox too: I think that is Russian that saying about a man who prayed to the Lord to forgive him for the chicken he had stolen that day and to forgive him also for the one he was going to stole the day after.
This is obviously ludicrous and all of these guys are going to get a nasty surprise in due time.
The Forerunner, the Holy Prophet John the Baptist, did start preaching with the word : “Repent!”.
The Lord also did begin His public teaching with the same word: “Repent!”.
To repent means only one thing: you regret your wrongdoings and change your way of life, to live it according to the words and the commandments of God.
You try at least, according to your strength, but your effort has to be sincere.
Forgiveness always presupposes the repentance. You MUST forgive them IF they repent. This is the rule.
Of course, you CAN forgive them in any case. That’s considered one of the most high Christian virtue.
The Lord did ask the Father to forgive those who did crucify Him, so did the First Martyr Stephen and many of the greatest Saints after him.
But they ASK. God will have mercy of whom He will have mercy.
You see, most of humanity is just cheated and of them you must have mercy, even if they do not repent, because they simply “do not know what they do”.
Mercy has to be the “default” state for a Christian, because you will not receive mercy if you do not give it.
My understanding is that even a non-Christian can receive the mercy of God. Think of a pious Muslim, for example. He can very well live all of his life according to the Commandments of God and to His Word, yet he does not believe in the divinity of Christ.
That is a sin against the Son of Man, a very very serious one, but the Lord Himself said that it CAN be forgiven.
Only the sin against the Holy Spirit CANNOT be forgiven, i.e. the conscious, tenacious rejection of the Truth, the willing and steady choice of evil; in a word, IMPENITENCE!
For us God is a Person, not a book, and He gives if you ask.
Pride is what make you stand up before the Cross.
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
“Where-Wolf on 09 May, 2014 22:00 said…
If I understand correctly, you believe that the Quran is the perfectly preserved word of God. With respect, I have difficulty accepting this but it is impossible for me to know. I have seen the way religion is abused by so-called believers and non-believers alike. I have only my own experience to guide me and it tells me that everything I have ever read is propagandistic.
I am out of my depth in these matters. My reduced understanding is that scripts were written by scribes employed by self interested Kings. The scribes wrote the stories and changed them according to the needs of the rulers.”
I fully agree with you and this is what I am trying to say all along. There is sooo much schism in Islam as any other religion.
Quran might be perfectly preserved but the Muslim believe in Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad, which explains the Quran. Therefore, to Muslims:
Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad = Quran
It is the Sunnah which is not perfectly preserved. Without the Sunnah, one cannot understand the Quran. And, to almost quote you: “It is the Sunnah which were written by scribes employed by self interested Caliphs. The scribes wrote the stories and changed them according to the needs of the rulers.” Go figure! :)
The so called, “chosen people” had a very big hand in the Sunnah, just like they had the a very big hand in translating TaNaKh to OT. And, as well as in NT. No wonder they are controlling the masses and the world.
Best regards,
Mohamed
“WizOz on 10 May, 2014 02:51 said…
“Again, the Quran is irrelevant in the interpretation of Christian Scriptures. How they must be interpreted is told by the Holy Apostle Peter:
I do sincerely hope that you will realize that in this respect Muslims endorse the Jewish interpretation of the prophecy. They are their objective allies, no matter their protestations.”
Dearest WizOz,
Many a times I have told you that it is not the Quranic interpretation of Christian Scriptures. I was discussing with you the Jewish Book called, “TaNaKh” and the Jewish interpretation of their own scripture. They don’t like someone else or other religion interpreting their own scripture “TaNaKh”. Changing the order the of the chapters, changing the prophesies to fit their own agenda. I hope you realize that it has nothing to do with Islam.
However, I am aware of Holy Apostle Peter and that he created the “Divinity” of Jesus. Who appointed him, I don’t know, though I know the history. Was it God that appointed him? Jesus (as) and his disciples discourse was in Aramaic and not in Greek/Roman. And, so is TaNaKh written in Hebrew. Go figure!
For the heavy influence of Holy Apostle Peter on Christianity. Jesus (as) was not ranked the top most person in “The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History is a 1978 book by Michael H. Hart” as explained by the author in his book.
I hope that your realize that Muslims don’t endorse the Jewish interpretation of the prophecy. The Muslims leave the interpretation of Jewish Scripture “TaNaKh” to Jews, and they leave the interpretation of the Christian Scripture “Bible – (OT and NT)” to the Christian.
However, as far as the Quran is concerned it does mention that Holy Mary was Butula (Virgin Girl). My sister is named, “Butul”. Almost every chapter of the Quran mentions Holy Mary (as) and her Virginity (Piety). It seems in the Quran, God is in awe with Holy Mary (as).
As far as Shia are concerned, they consider Prince of Peace Jesus (as) to be manifest of God.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Dearest Saker,
I remember when I first joined this forum about two months ago, you posted about, “Orthodox Christians and Muslims” should get together for persevering the religion against the Empire.
As long as Christians consider the Muslims to be “second class”, that Prophet Mohammad got his stories from the Bible and he got them all wrong. This coming together of these two great religion is an impossibility.
Even though, the Muslims consider consider Mary (as) to be Virgin. And, the Shia consider the Prince of Peace Jesus (as) to be the Manifest of God, and the Sunnis are there too, the Muslims are considered “second class citizens”.
We make the “liver eaters” more stronger!
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Having read Saker’s piece again here, made me think : Are we that sure that there will be NO nuclear war?
Think back to the intent and purpose of President Truman’s and Washington’s dropping the 2 atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki despite knowing the Japanese were ready to surrender. This human genocide committed, as we all know now, was just to serve a warning to Russia – or USSR then – that Washington would NOT hesitate to use nuclear weapons against Russia if the Communism does not cease its advance globally.
Well, now that the USSR and Communism is no more, why does the Washington continues its belligerence? We all know why but it is perhaps best illustrated by the old Chinese saying : “There can be no two (or perhaps three) tigers on a mountain”. And planet Earth is the “mountain”. And the US (Washington) tiger sure as hell does NOT want to share it with anyone.
Their latest action shows the Doomsday clock is moving inexorably towards 12 midnight like it or not. God help us all. Washington is MAD. That useless lameduck Obumma is just a mouthpiece for his deranged lunatics like Kerry, Nuland, McCain, et al.
Dear brothers Saker and WizOz,
It is the MSM and The Empire that divides us by comments like:
Mohammad got all his stories from the Bible and he got them wrong.
Very true, every story in the Quran differs from the stories from the Bible. However, one should keep in mind that Moses (as), Jesus (as) and Mohammad (saws) were all Semites and spoke the same language.
None of them spoke Greek/Roman to their disciples. All three of them being Manifest of God, could have spoken any language they wanted, however, their disciples only knew Semite language. Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic.
The Empire and the so called, “Chosen People” know how to divide and rule. Meaning, the Anglo/Zionists.
Peace (Shalom, Salam) on you and on brother WizOZ and on both of your families.
Best regards,
Mohamed
@ Where-wolf
When I say to substitute Lenin and Marx with Christ, I am not asking for a new king instead of the old one. I am asking to substitute murders and lies, man’s fallen reason and self-worship with the Truth.
The Truth only will open your eyes and make you understand (to stay inside this particular example) that the Lord did always give, everything He could and from the beginning to the end, FREELY, but He did never ever FORCE anyone.
To force a man is one of the worst sin against God, because you deny him the freedom to choose, that freedom which more than anything else is the basic of our likeness.
So much so that even God cannot deny that freedom because in that case He would deny Himself. That’s not possible.
So He let us free, free to choose, free even to “kill” Him. And free to bear the consequences.
Every soul is made in His Image and Likeness, you just need to look at an infant to understand that, their eyes are devoid of any evil. But we are fallen creatures and this world is fallen with us, because we rule it; they have to grow up in a fallen world and between fallen creatures, so they fall too.
Even the Lord had to bear the temptations of the devil, because the Incarnation did happen in a fallen world. But He was the Lord and we are not, anyway He at least did open again the way to God for us, a way that we had completely forgotten by then.
The Way is there and is He (as much as the Truth and the Life).
To take that Way or not is however up to us.
God cannot deny Himself!
@ Mohammed
The Word and the Holy Spirit are not creation of God. They are expression (I lack a better word) of God and are God.
God did literally call the world into creation.
“Let it be ….”
His Word did it, as the Word is the relation of God with His creation, and is God.
After the Call into existence of everything, His Spirit was upon the waters, to bestow Life into Creation, as His Spirit is the Source and the Subsistence of every life, and is God.
The Word is begotten (the Son) from God (the Father Almighty) and the Holy Spirit proceeds from God, as both find their cause in God, but They are are not created.
They are God, in essence and in substance.
As much as you ARE your word and you ARE your spirit. You do not create them, but they are the presupposition of every your creation.
You are in His Image and Likeness.
P.S. – Please be sure that the ex-chosen people cannot possibly hijack Orthodoxy. Everything else yes, because that’s worldly and earthly (including much of what still pretend to be Christianity today), but not Orthodoxy.
Orthodoxy has not changed one jota in two millennia.
“WizOz on 10 May, 2014 02:51 said…
I feel sorry to tell that you are not lost for words, but out of your depth.
Again, the Quran is irrelevant in the interpretation of Christian Scriptures.”
Dearest WizOz,
What I am trying to tell you that you consider, “Quran is irrelevant in the interpretation of Christian Scriptures”.
The same thing my Jewish friend was trying to say. To him the TaNaKh is Jewish Scripture and not Christian Scripture. To him, even the translated TaNaKh to OT is Jewish Scripture and not Christian Scripture. Thus to him, “both OT and NY are irrelevant in the interpretation of Jewish Scriptures”. Just like the Christian claim, “that Mohammad got all stories wrong” he was laughing and claiming, “that Jesus, John and Peter got all stories wrong”.
He even went further and said, “this is reasons the Jews were persecuted throughout the centuries by the Christians is to shut them up”.
He was also laughing about the Rabbis translating the TaNaKh into OT and how they set up the trap about Zionist Christians. About the control they exercise on the Christianity. Believe me, they exercise the same control on the Sunnah of Mohammad through the “liver eaters”. As Sunnah of Mohammad = Quran.
@”WizOz said…
Judeo-Christian Apocalypticism,
And Biblical (Mis) Interpretation: .. by Taylor Halverson”
Taylor Halverson is a Mormon. As I mentioned earlier that Mormons believe that both Lucifer (Morning Star in OT)and Jesus (Morning Star in NT) are blood brothers. Therefore, the Mormons don’t believe in Holy Trinity, for them it will become Holy Fortuity due to both Lucifer and Jesus being blood brothers. They are also not Zionist Christians.
If you want to learn Islam then don’t learn it from MSM/Empire. Learn it from Muslims, and not from “liver eaters”.
To brother Saker, we Muslims are indebted for seeing the light and trying to bring the Christians and Muslims together. Blessed are the Peace Makers.
Amen Rabbi,
Mohamed.
“Maedhros on 10 May, 2014 08:15 said…
To repent means only one thing: you regret your wrongdoings and change your way of life, to live it according to the words and the commandments of God.
You try at least, according to your strength, but your effort has to be sincere.”
Dearest Maedhros,
The true Repentance is in TaNaKh too, even in the translated OT.
Remember, Jacob wresting with Elohim, and he eventually overcame Elohim. Elohim got happy with and forgave him and changed his name to Israel. He was basically repenting to Elohim. It is preposterous to think he was really wresting with Elohim and won the war against Elohim.
The Jewish people, they call this story as, “Yetzer hara and yetzer tav”. Google it.
To Muslims Prophet Adam (as) was the first Holy Prophet and Prophet Mohammad (saws) was the last Holy Prophet. From Adam to Mohammad, between them are about 140,000 Prophets. The Commandments and God’s Laws from day 1 from Adam to Mohammad are same and not different.
We don’t own God, and therefore He is not our exclusive Property. And, that we are not the only ones, who have Absolute Exclusive Rights on Him. He Owns us, and He is not a Prejudiced God. We are all equal in His Eyes, thus His Commandments and Laws are same for everyone.
To Muslims, humans are the bests of the creations, better than Angels too. Imam Ali (as) saying:
1. God has given intelligence to angels but no desire.
2. God has given little intelligence to animals but lots of desire.
3. God has given humans both intelligence and desire.
4.When a human uses his intelligence over his desires, he is better than angels. But when the same mam is overcome by his desires, he is worst than animals.
I do realize that you are trying to say that the Christians in the West have made mockery of “forgiveness and repentance”. I pick the same bone with them too.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Many a times I have told you that it is not the Quranic interpretation of Christian Scriptures
My friend Mahomed,
I do wonder whether you realize that what you propose us IS the Quran’s (and Muslim) view of Christianity. For Christians it is wrong. Please consider that both the TaNaKh and the Gospel are literature that precedes the Quran by at least 600 years and whatever you heard from others, they came to us in Greek.
Once again, the divinity of Jesus was not the creation of the Apostle Peter or Paul or any other. He IS God. The Quran denies His divinity. There is no possible understanding between Christians and Muslims if they hold mutualy exclusive beliefs. Tolerance might be possible (until we come to the “liver eaters” and to the crucifixion of Christians, to Boko Haram and disruption of Christian services by Muslim preachers – in Europe!). Please keep that in mind and save your breath.
@Mohamed
Salam
I hope you take this in the right spirit. The more I read your comments, the more I feel embarrassed by my own religious comments earlier. I think if you and I want to talk about Islam, be it Shia or Sunni, Christianity, Judaism, or any of our imams, then we should start our own blog for it.
Saker wants us to contribute here but I think we take undue advantage. I think commentators here, including WizOz, are very well informed and in a league of their own. They don’t need our sermonising.
I still think despite all the differences, including the one of the Divinity of Christ, and Boko Haram, and Crazy Pastors, and the Taliban, Tony Blair, al Qaeda (sadly I can think of more negative “Muslim” examples than “Christian” ones), we the Muslims (Sunni or Shia) and Christians (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestants), do have enough in common to stand together. If we are not brothers in faith, we are all children of Adam. So let’s leave it at that.
Thank you
Mindfriedo
“Mindfriedo on 10 May, 2014 18:57 said ….
Saker wants us to contribute here but I think we take undue advantage. I think commentators here, including WizOz, are very well informed and in a league of their own. They don’t need our sermonising.”
Salam Mindfriedo,
You are absolutely right. Saker is an excellent host and we are in his house. I feel like that I am taking advantage of his kindness and his generosity of being such an compassionate host.
I am sorry, and I apologize to Saker, WizOz, Maedhros or any other person for being so insensitive. The apology is mine.
Thank you for your excellent post.
Best regards,
Mohamed.