I don’t know if Iben Thranholm gets as much hate mail as I do (though I suspect that she probably does), but I will say that I totally agree with her: the modern European culture has “de-masculinized” European men no less than it has de-feminized European women. It is good to see somebody, especially two brilliant ladies like Naouai and Thranholm, having the courage to speak the truth and not be terrorized by the “you are blaming the victim” mob. Of course, neither Naouai nor Thranholm are excusing the thugs who are how regularly assaulting women all over Europe, but they are explaining, at least in part, why such mass assaults are possible in the first place (the mindset of these thugs) and why so many men (cops or civilians) just stood by or looked away.
To be honest, I felt rather lonely 10 days ago and it is good to see that this is not the case and that courageous women like Naouai and, especially, Thranholm are now speaking up.
The Saker
This is an important discussion. thanks, Saker, for continuing it on this forum/blog. A blog with a more heavy handed approach to just about everything but is an important part of the planetary buzz has this to say:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/russian-rescues-commuters-from.html
Can’t watch the interview as I don’t have that kind of bandwidth, nor did I see that interview over RT on satellite tv. But if the ladies above didn’t mention it, studies on stone age tribes in Papua New Guinea or South America revealed that where the men calmed down and because domesticated, not engaging in violent acts, being nicer to their women, etc, those tribes disappeared.
On the contrary, those tribes where the men remained violent like and more or less maintained their tradition ways, those tribes survived.
So in Europe the men have become too domesticated. Why must a man there defend an unknown women, a women is supposed to be equal to a man so she must defend herself, bitch. That’s why Europe is going downhill, women and their never ending opinions are the cause.
Virtually the only mammalian society where females rule is in the case of hyenas here in Africa. Here not only are the females bigger than the males, but the females also have bigger pseudo penises than the males. Intercourse takes place through the female penis, birth also – google it if you don’t believe me.
That hyena Merkel must go if Europe is to stand any chance of coming right.
My humble corrections, women are not the cause of the problem, women are merely a symptom of the problem. The real problem is civilization.
Civilization results in too much tolerance, tolerance for opinionated women, tolerance for public homosexual affection, tolerance for outsiders in your street walking around with their funny customs and notions, etc, etc. Civilization killed the good old barbaric gang mentality.
For a society to survive its best to be a little uncivilized, to be more primitive, to be more intolerant.
@gT
“For a society to survive its best to be a little uncivilized, to be more primitive, to be more intolerant”
alternative is to have a competent, effective law enforsment in place.. but that is not the case as the EU state’s aparatus is plagued by so called political correctness..
thse gangs will be roaming the streets of EU cities for a lot longer than hoped.
get pepper sprays canisters my fellow ladies and leave hope that coppers is going to run to your rescue should you get harrassed or attacked.
I think that having an effective police force on the streets which is not trying to pussy foot around political correctness would be an example of a civilisation that is not being too civilised.
Imagine if the police had drawn their batons and cracked a few heads of those perpetrating the sexual assault. I imagine that would be hugely discouraging for the perpetrators who probably would have returned to their home countries in Africa and the middle east.
Of course imagine if European countries had actual border control and didn’t let “refugees” cross safe country after safe country in order to claim refuge in the countries with the most generous social welfare programs.
If the identified everyone entering their countries. That would also have prevented this problem.
Of course now it’s too late for those millions they’ve let in up until now but it would help prevent the problem from getting worse.
Those countries with migrants (via the refugee / asylum back door) better start figuring out exactly who each of those migrants are. Do they have criminal records, did they fight in any of those wars, do they sympathise with terrorists, do they know how to behave in public, can they manage to avoid sexually assaulting women or vandalising property (churches, cars, etc).
If they commit crimes in your countries then deport them! There are plenty of other countries in the Muslim world albeit with far lower benefits to live off…
This is a serious topic! Has it come to this?
Women may be raped, and there is no response from their men, brothers, fathers?
Do you remember the 2011, massacre of 77 children by Norwegian terrorist, Anders Breivik? I wrote at the time that the lack of response by anyone from the families of the murdered children was a telling commentary on how low my Norwegian brothers had fallen. During the trial, one shoe was thrown. Not a bomb, not a bullet, not a knife. Breivik rests easily in a country club prison. Next, the nation of my grandfather awarded a girlie man, a Nobel peace prize.
Iben Thranholm is very well spoken. She is very impressive.
Thanks to the Saker for featuring Iben Thranholm’s interview.
Yes, we must Man Up, protect our women and our National Republics. The feminizing, “pussifying” (as we say in Brooklyn), of our male citizenry, including the concurrent weakening of our women, has been the most important goal of the Zionist American Oligarchs. After they succeed in that, and they have, they can get away with anything, any crime, murder our President, murder millions, de industrialize our nation, suborn our daughters, (and sons), anything!
Those who rose at Lexington and Concord, defended Playa Giron, and resisted at Stalingrad, and who resist today, are the ideal humans, kind and generous in Peace, but -Don’t Tread on Me- do not threaten our Women and children, do not threaten our elderly, do not even threaten our men.
Women, are also weakened by Zionist American culture. The German women might also have fought back, in an organized manner, using weapons at hand. They can do that – tomorrow.
It also must be noted that the police forces of Germany, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, have been either feminized, or ordered not to protect their own people. That is the price of the Post WW II conversion of Europe into a Zionist operated non-national Concentration Camp, replete with ‘girlie’ leaders such as zionist puppet Hollande, and American puppets Cameron, and Merkel.
European and American Peoples have been weakened by the brainwashing of Zionist world dominated media and school education. Additionally, Jesse Ventura claims that part of the reason for the passivity of Americans lies in the chemicals placed by the Government, in our water. What don’t we know?
Death to all rapists!
For the Democratic Republics! Defended by- The People in Arms!
Later in that same edition,Anissa Naouai talked about the newly edition of Hitlers “Mein Kampf”
If someone like Brevik or George Zimmerman had been in charge of Germany, things would have been very different indeed!
Yes,there would be gas chambers and firing squads .Very different indeed. There is a line between a proper reaction. And a counter terror reaction. That line needs to never be crossed.
Breivik too was a CIA/Mossad tool.
Ole Dammegard has done fantastic work on the 2011 Norway attacks. For example in this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTZaOJkonJg
Yes, and in contrast to Sweden we had the school siege in Beslan. Fathers with guns surrounded the school right away and the biggest worry of special ops was that the fathers will go in and everyone will die. That’s tribal Caucasus. I think it is more natural.
Uncle Bob 1,
zweistein,
Russian heart,
This is very important. Perhaps it is the most important topic. Will we show enough intestinal fortitude to take a stand and defend our women, children, elderly, and men, -all our people- and our Democratic Republics, from the criminal Zionist American Terrorist Oligarchs, and all their machinations, (tricks), or not?
If we do not (actively) Resist, then we are cowardly slaves, and they have won. The whole point is that they wish for us to be cowards (another word for slaves). So far they have (mostly) achieved their wish. This lovely Iben Thranholm, is doing what my Dad did 50 years ago, when he made me and my sister stand up to a group of neighborhood bullies (in Brooklyn).
After the fight, my sister & me against 5 of them, which ended in a draw, the 5 attackers asked us if we wanted to play. They became our childhood friends, and schoolmates. My father, who served in 2 armies, would never allow a woman to be attacked, while he breathed. In those days, in Brooklyn, Men were men, although my mother ruled the household with an Iron Fist and leather strap.
zweistein, thanks for that priceless link. I’ve sent it to my mailing list.
Durruti, (another Manly Man, and often, my nom de plume).
The emasculation of Man, in some ways stems from the worship/submission to Mammon. An Aaron Russo interview where he discusses among things the so called Women’s movement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ (Sorry about the Alex Jones in the video)
I also get the feeling somewhat, that Iben by stating the obvious is playing a sort of point-counterpoint as depicted in the sci-fi classic Ender’s Game. Is it information bread and controversy circus?
This Danish lady hammers the nail on the head. European men have turned into outright, fully-feminized cowards and this has real consequences. Not only in the extreme sense that their compatriot women are getting routinely raped by immigrants, but also in the sense that they have become accustomed to being cuckolds. Euro-men have also degenerated to such a degree that they defer to women all the time, in all sorts of ways.
In my opinion, there are 2 root causes for this sorry state of masculinity in the Western world today:
a) The relative affluence of the native population via comfortable “office” or “white collar jobs”. In such an environment, there is little room for any kind of masculinity to thrive. Moreover, the extreme risk-aversion inherent in the pursuit of modest bourgeois careerism, further entrenches a culture of universal cowardliness.
b) The wholesale proliferation and dominance of “post-modern” or “decontructionist” values. It begun from the University faculties and how slowly infested the entirety of Western societies. There is no objective historical process, but only “narratives”, there is no nation, only the “fantasy community”, there are no genders, only “social constructs”, if you do this or say that you are a “racist”.
What is also a by-product of situation a), is that the extreme eagerness to accept any kind of “economistic” argument as policy (real or imaginary) Just look at the financial MSM in any western country for the past several years. The mantra is that unless western countries import vast numbers of immigrants, they will suffer an economic collapse. This is of course total BS, but even if immigration would result in a couple of extra percentage points in terms of GDP, why should any European people accept all the negative consequences of immigration for such a meager return?
In my opinion, Russian information warfare, must put extreme emphasis on the feminization and humiliating cowardice of the contemporary Western World. This will easily serve to discredit and ridicule all those in the West, Russia or the Third World (including, crucially, Ukraine) who look up to the West in sheer awe and veneration. Look people, there is nothing to admire over there! Their lives may be a bit more comfortable than ours, but other than that, people in the West are actually living in a perverted, effeminate, rape-infested dystopia. Russian propaganda must hammer this point home.
Another potential gain out of such a propaganda angle, would be that European men (and women) who are sick and tired of their post-modern tyrants, will unite behind the banner of renewed and Russia-friendly masculinity, for their own sake, and Russia’s!
In my opinion sex is at the root of all our blessings and curses. Until we get our sexual bearings straight the war of the sexes is bound to get worse.
Natural and common sense says that “woman and child” are first in priority with men as defenders of that system when necessary.
In the beginning men were not so much protectors as enhancers of women’s pleasure. But with the rise of patriarchy some men attacked the woman centered life and made themselves gods.
Brutal men derived their power from killing and eating animals. They used this power to destroy the matri-focal culture and then turned to killing other men. The same dynamic is in play today.
Men are needed to defend a natural, womam centered life. But it won’t happen until we get our mind made up in the right orientation according to nature’s template. Womam first (and her child) and men second in command.
This requires a basic reorientation of values, sort of like Putin’s “nature-like technologies.” Not an easy task given the ten thousand year reign of patriarchy. I don’t believe it can be done societally but it can with individuals and small groups like perhaps this vineyard.
The problem is broad and deep. We have to go back past history into her-story and see how the original plan was destroyed by the fall of man. It takes guts and balls, starting on the intellectual level. It also involves physical fighting like Syrians, Russians and Iranians are demonstrating. Not all men are fit for such fighting but all men can think like real men.
Practically all sane people agree that while force is sometimes needed to defend justice, military might is not enough and is self-defeating in the long run. That means we have to talk, even with our enemies about what is critical to survival.
The Saker Vineyard does go where angels fear to tread with articles such as this. Angels can’t do it because from what I hear they do not have sexual bodies. We do and that is the challenge.
Sex without love results in Cologne like irresponsibility. Love without sex results in species extinction.
As a species we were designed for maximum sexual pleasure and responsibility. On nature’s path we walk a very fine line. It’s easy to fall off into excess or regress.
We fit somewhere between beasts and beauties. It takes a fine tuned mind to stay sexually fit. The mind is the best aphrodisiac and the worst macho-maniac.
I do my bit with what wit I have left at 76, here and elsewhere, particularly at thelovegovernment.com. I hang out here for many reasons, not the least of which is that it’s sexy in a holy sort of way.
Man, what are you talking about???……………………………….
Hi Dennis, I like your comment…and I agree with it, altrhough I don’t agree with this paragraph
“…In the beginning men were not so much protectors as enhancers of women’s pleasure. But with the rise of patriarchy some men attacked the woman centered life and made themselves gods….”
I still think you spend too much time on thinking about pleasure…in the ancient ancient times, people were completely saturated with God…not women’s pleasure.
Thanks for the comment. You’re right imo about pleasure. In the original love culture, the focus was on connecting to Source and maintaining it by sexual rituals that were communal. Pleasure was present but not hedonism.
Most people now equate Source with God. That doesn’t fit with me because the term is patriarchal and not congruent with open sexual rituals. God is rather anti-sexual, bodiless and “spiritual.”
I prefer to think we were created by advanced lovers who made us in their image, as lovers. It fits better as a natural segue and is in step with quantum mechanics’ “spooky action at a distance.”
Kudos to the lady from Denmark, Iben Thranholm. She says it as it is.
Well, first, I think anyone, man or woman, no matter how feminized or masculinized in Europe would had been able to fend a coordinated attack by organized groups of dozens or hundreds of young men, probably with psychopathic tendencies and very well paid.
I have to say that I also I missed that women in Cologne were defended by any man or group of men, and that this event should lead women to organize themselves, learn self defense (essential when physical inferiority is almost granted, I will not tire of repeating ) and form vigilance groups to patrol the European night. If men want to join these groups, great, if not to stay at home watching football or doing whatever they prefer to do instead, but then when their patrol wives are back home, if they dared to demand the dinner, I would give them a good mamporro.
Second, that statement about that even the police is feminized in Europe is a fallacy with a secondary objective, for people to require the police to be more aggressive, because then, as it was observed in the days following the shameful events in Cologne, where police remained on a suspicious passivity, they performed very well, and even in a very masculine way, against the protesters who marched against raping and European immigration policies, just as well as they performed to crush the fledgling social protest movements that emerged with the 2008 crisis/scam, conveniently appeased/dismantled by the birth of the “new otanist and pro-system left”. I did not see any trace of feminization there. Not in vain several police forces in Europe ( amongst them Spanish ) are being trained in Israel.
Third, the problem with the notion of masculinity is that still many men, and even not so few women, confuse it with authoritarianism and aggressiveness.
I do not know what experiences has Iben Thranholm to her age, but to mine, I still found myself attacked by European or Western men ( and interestingly also by women), who do not find me submissive and obedient enough, who can not stand with me expressing my sincere opinion loud and clear, who do not understand a “no” for an answer, who play an offering of friendship or an expression of brotherly human affection as a promise, guarantee or threat of I do not know what…..
To me, personally, before returning to drag us by the hair again to get us into waist I would have achieved higer levels of freedom and respect than those women have achieved so far.
In my country continue to rise every day, every year the number of cases of death of women by their partners and former partners. This happens and happened before this manufactured “crisis of the refugees.”
I know that many of the disputes at home emerge from the fact that many women now work outside and also refuse to do so alone in the house when they come back, while their husbands / partners sit on the couch watching football or reading news in the the newspaper or the computer. It turns out that we also like to read some news on the computer.
Thus or we all play the cards or the pack is broken.
Also economic independence and social and institutional support makes women feel empowered enough to take the decision to leave a toxic relationship in which she is not only unhappy but that also leads only to own destruction, something that some men, even in Europe, seem unable or unwilling to accept.
So, if this men who are coming to Europe do not respect European women, we must do what would be necessary to get them respecting us as we have done so far.
It was a labor mainly of slaves to be freed from their masters, it was a task of women to get rid of the opression of eras and centuries and get equal rights and it was/is the work of the proletariat to get rid of of the elite who wants to enslave and exploit them until exhaustion. To wait and delegate these tasks to “paladins” and “messiahs”, it is wrong, any help is welcome, but the main effort depends on those who are oppressed, as it always has been, it is and will be.
And, BTW, I am not lesbian, I am Communist, and ¡notice to mariners!, while I learn Systema, I have three not at all feminized brothers with a couple of balls to go for any “missing link” or “Gladio nazi mercenary” who wants to start/continue threatening me or insulting me via email or by any other means…..and…..my own piolet!
Hey Elsi, I doubt anyone thought you were a lesbian for your strong views…in nature the females are usually more deadly than the males..
Wolves – and wolf dogs…. for instance…if two male wolf dogs are fighting, their human can separate them…but not the females…the human is in too much danger separating two adult females…
And lions too, its the females that do the hunting and killing.
And yeah, you have a point, because ‘housework’ is still ‘striclty for women’ unless the man has become ‘effeminate’…that’s too bad…because there’s a difference between a sensitive man and a macho guy….that does not have to do with the former being ‘effeminate’…
Its a tough one…religion too, has had men that are not macho, but that are definitely men…
My niece thinks my female dog is clever because it doesn’t immediately listen to what I tell it, it has a mind of its own she says. She considers my male dog to be stupid because it immediately listens to what I say. I prefer my male dog.
While we wait for the “male revolution” in Europe and the West, better we go preparing ourselves to defend from the mercenary armies, now ISIS and tomorrow whoever……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0HlLqilGcM
A far better and full version of the fight scene at the restaurant in “Tiger and Dragon”, original with subtitles in English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZvzB7zG_HM
Enjoy!
Homosexuality has never been a threat to the production and reproduction of the species and was in fact encouraged among Spartan men so that they would fight harder to protect their lovers. Any demented individual spreading nonsense. The old days in Europe involved burning women at the stake for being witches. People in the ME were charting the stars and building pyramids while we still lived in communal villages rubbing wood together to start a fire.
RR
For those, men or women, interested, try to translate this essential and interesting article from a series of three by Blog del Viejo Topo:
“Angela Davis: woman, black, communist and feminist. Biographical approach”:
http://blogdelviejotopo.blogspot.com.es/2016/01/angela-davis-mujer-negra-comunista-y_21.html
“Being a woman is already a disadvantage in this always machist society; imagine being a woman and being black. Now make a greater effort, close your eyes and think, being a woman, being black and being a communist. What aberration!”
Angela Davis
“When I talk about new forms of democracy, I speak of socialism”
Angela Davis
BINGO!
This is the case in all western countries including Canada, and the USA.
Although us Slavs in the E.U. will not put up with this.
Europe has become the land of Conchita, a dysfunctional melting-pot where God is dead,the men have voluntarily signed up to be emasculated, the women wear the pants literally and figuratively and to be ”transgender” is considered cool.
https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/top-google-searches-conchita-wurst.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=1600
You now live in Conchitaland, a post-Christian wasteland. Why are you surprised?
Many many years ago they told us what they would do, didn’t they?
WE WILL DESTROY NATIONS
WE WILL DESTROY RELIGION
WE WILL DESTROY FAMILY and
WE WILL DESTROY GENDER!
I think they are 4 for 4 so far. what do you think???????
She speaks the truth!. Lets put it bluntly European men are completely pussified and American men are not far behind. This is a consequence of the pendulum of women’s liberation swinging too far. Because men historically (and presently in many places outside Europe) oppressed women, Europeans have decided that masculine values and behaviors are verboten. In many middle class households in the US, the women call all the shots, the men are basically infantilized. We see the same modelled on family and kids TV shows and increasingly in advertising for household and family use products. In school yards, pushing, shoving, fighting is forbidden. Boys have no way to sort out their masculine instinctual behaviors, so they grow up conflicted and insecure. I know one school here in the US where mothers volunteer to ring the playground during recess/break time to ensure there is no rough play, hitting etc. The slightest show of aggression on the part of the boy, gets the parents called into school. This is amongst the bourgeoisie.
Amongst the working and poor classes the predominance of single parent, female led households, means that the boys do not have any adult male in the house to model proper submission to the female. So they rebel against the females and “act out” unconstrained masculine instinctual behavior. They become inappropriately violent or immerse themselves in inappropriately violent video games.
Apparently once women achieved a rough power parity with men they decided that the only insurance against their returning to their former subjugation, was to feminize their men. They succeeded, but they don’t really like it. Hence the high divorce rates.
The problem has now spread to the last bastion of masculinity in America; sports. Almost everyday now we see calls to pussify male sports like American football. They are, we are told, too violent and have too many injuries.
In the end one must ask; are these men, who preen themselves and talk about confronting Russia, really up to the task?
Saker, your comment :
“…To be honest, I felt rather lonely 10 days ago and it is good to see that this is not the case and that courageous women like Naouai and, especially, Thranholm are now speaking up.
The Saker”
Saker !! Maybe they’ve read your book !!!
@The Saker,
European men are not cowards for not protecting their women from these thugs. European men, as men mostly everywhere, especially in militarized cultures, are primarily cowards for beating up on their own women and raping them themselves. True, dominant European “values” are turning towards the overtly exhibitionist and sadomasochist, but then again Incest, to take one example, has never been taboo in that it would not be widely practiced (read perpetrated), but only in that its pervasiveness not be discussed. I’m utterly disgusted at these brothers of mine who now proclaim to care, but as in most of the previous comments, through their everyday disinterest and complicity and now these immature and shallow proclamations of care, or rather ownership, only make obvious their disdain and disrespect towards who they call “bitches.” There is a third way where women are actually regarded as fully human as we regard ourselves.
Thranholm’s comments were self serving and too surface to be apt or deep.She sounded and looked lost, out of her depth. Anissa by contrast is sharp, quick and perceptive.
@ Suzanne Majo De Kuyper
I agree.
Actually IT looked a bit like a man in drag.
Also, no comment on the fact that homosexuality is a large factor in most ME societies, and that is part of the sexual dynamic in those societies, and no doubt in the lives of the migrants, too.
just not out in the open.
Very superficial. Hitting emotional buttons but very little solid analysis. Also, inconsistent in terms of where her assertions ultimately lead.
Katherine
Suzanne, you have no idea what you’re talking about … this woman you don’t understand is one of the best of any person, male or female, about many deep topics in the world today.
Spend some time researching her, and if you still feel that way, then all I can say is…your opinion reflects who you are.
Re “Your opinions reflect who you are . . .”
Wow, that is deep!!!
Now, for your opinions. Not do deep:
This Thanholme woman has made a career as a Catholic polemicist and mouthpiece and spokesperson for conservative CAtholic values. WE are back in the land of KKK. Kinder, Kirche, Kueche. She is the kind of person and with type of belief system that originally prompted the insituttion of laicite in France, as highlighted by Marine Le Pen.
It is really weird how the left hand does not appear to know what the right hand is doing/saying on this blog. Just shows how little people really think things through and how weak their analytical capabitlites actually are.
It is quite clear where she is coming from. But most of the world does not come from there.
@The Saker
This de-masculinization is also largely a myth and a pornographization of both men and women and our expectation of relationships is more accurate. If you consider that most men use porn, that porn is cruelly and grotesquely violent through and through today, that boys use it from a very young age and come to expect in their idea of masculinity the kind of sex and exhibitionism and service from girls and women, it’s just as persuasive, if not more so, to say that men won’t react to disrespect, sexual assault and even rape on the street simply because it’s nothing new when we/they masturbate to filmed rape and degradation of girls and women every day! Totally disgusting, but true. So I think this is just what one would expect and calling for more masculinity without understanding how it is today is not necessarily helpful. Anyway, thank you.
You are absolutely right.
A recent porn movie in which a young woman had her head shoved into a toilet while being simultaneously sodomized was dismissed by that noted ‘justice’ campaigner and alt journalist Glen Greenwald as ‘fiction.’ He effectively ‘ disappeared’ the woman who was subjected to this vicious act of sexual assault just because it was porn.
Meanwhile his partner gets a payout or having his ‘human rights’ violated by being prevented from boarding a plane.
Far from ‘feminized’, the Western male is being thoroughly desensitized to sexual violence via the mainstreaming of violent porn.
They expect all sorts of degrading and even dangerous sexual favours from young women as a result.
A recent article in the Independent expressed a columnist’ s shock at a doctor’s revelation that she and colleagues were seeing more and more cases of rectal injuries in teenage girls as a result of their -often first – boyfriends -insisting on sodomizing them. They get the ‘inspiration’ from porn – where is is routine – and then try it out on girls who have no means of ‘turning the tables’ so to speak. And this report was from leafy Hampstead, where the wealthy British middle class reside, not the boondocks.
The leading cause of death for pregnant American women ? Homicide. By their male partners.
No, it is not the ‘feminization’ of Western culture that has lead to this refusal to protect or intervene when women are attacked:it is priapic brutalism, porn, rap and ‘gay’ – really sadomasochist priapism – that has lead to this inaction and indifference towards real threat to real women.
Secretly, many believe like the immigrant attackers themselves that the ‘b*****s’ had it coming to them. And it is through Western – usually American – porn that they ‘learn’ about Western women. This is quite deliberate – all part of the priapic, male supremaist cult that is actually in financial driving seat.
.The New Athenians.
As one who has worked with adolescent males, I know what I am talking about. The cheap ready contempt for girls is truly shocking, as well as the appetite for sexual violence.
Thank you for that comment. Exactly right and well articulated!
To see this porn culture as a thoroughly pervasive business of women’s exploitation and dehumanization isn’t that difficult, if women indeed are human. We don’t have the same problem identifying the virulent cultural russophobia and analyzing it as a deliberate policy and seeing who benefits. Only with this, we as men by far don’t want to.
While we put stupid, idiotic, cowardly and evil men down with exactly those words, we ultimately want to reserve the right to put down any woman as a bitch, a fuckhole too ugly to fuck etc. That’s wrong and sociopathic towards women, and it’s also incredibly stupid politically and strategically.
Eimar, thank you for your observations.
To further what you are saying, and if you want a historic expose of who controls the Porn Industry, do a search on the battles Walt Disney had with the “Movie Mafia” in the USA and who eventually won that one. Porn though, in this case, has been used as a means for lowering the value of human sexual relations between participants. This plus the turning people into happy little consumers in the eyes of society and humanity gets flushed out the door.
Relations between men and women are distorted and the structures of a functioning society broken down by relentless marketing, propaganda, so called special interests groups and also at the political/legal level. It is nothing short of an all out attack on humanity itself.
The events of New Years celebrations are nothing more than a rubbing societies noses in it. Co-ordinated assaults on native populations by large groups of false refugees. What would any of us do in this situation on the street? Personally I would pull my head in and try to sheppard my friends, loved ones out of there as soon as I would have seen such groupings. Minimising confrontation unless absolutely required.
It is not that men in Europe are weak, it is the attack on them by those that control society that has left them little room for action. Anything done is micro analysed and criticised. Warped dehumanised behaviour is pushed and strong but civilised behaviour with definitive male and female roles is spat upon and demonised.
Thanks Anonymous and J.
I agree with both of you, and very well put.
I would add that feminism – in the Anglosphere, mainly a reaction to this culture-wide degradation – is being deliberately misrepresented in the corporate media. (The Saker, because he’s basically a decent human being, has little or no idea of this and seems like others, to have a ‘cartoon’ idea of feminism.)
Not surprising, when
‘feminists’ only show up on slut-walks, ‘freeing’ their nipples or as topless protests from Sorosian operations like Femen. (Clue is in the latter’s title – actually promoting a ‘semen’ (priapic) agenda, using ‘F for Female’ as occluder.
One of the main actors in the Brazil Femen recently blew the whistle in a tell-all book. Femen is essentially a business: like most of the LBGT groups, its function is to promote promiscuity (important to Big Pharma contraceptive sales), promote drug culture, as well as ‘sexing-up’ the Malthusian abortion industry. She also revealed a strong pro-pdophile culture within its ranks.
( Sadly, she herself continues to drink the Kool-aid, referring to the psyops still as ‘feminism.
As an early school leaver involved in prostitution before the age of sixteen, I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised.)
Yes, there are aspects of Anglosphere feminism that lend themselves to this extremist hijacking, just as aspects of Islam can seed the cancer of IS
IS.
But they are tumors.
Real feminism is concerned with poverty and sexual violence. African feminists for example, are pro-natal to a far greater extent than Western feminists (though the despicable dehumanizing of -typically third world – women in the surrogacy business is changing that.) They only want legal parity with their menfolk and the same education/economic opportunities. But they do not eschew motherhood by any means.
Their main bugbear is the terrible practise of FGM – Female Genital Mutilation.
They are also trying to eradicate polygamy which
does neither women nor young men any favours, the latter because wealthy older men hoover up resources in their quest for multiple offspring as well out-competing the unresourced young male for young women. (And they are the least happy of all.)
Globally, feminists are far from all being on the same page on the abortion issue. There are observant Roman Catholic /Orthodox feminists who argue that the concept of marital rape (which is a default consequence of eliminating male conjugal rights) gives women full ownership of their bodies. And with full ownership comes full responsibility. Only rape is the exception.
All are absolutely against prostitution and its now pathologically – violent filmed variant, porn.
All the ‘discussion’ by alleged ‘feminists’ in the media is staged: the corporate media is deeply entwined with the pornography industry. These ‘feminists’ have the same function as the Faux Left: to deflect attention from root causes, and to give the impression of both disunity and extremism. Occasionally a real feminist (some of whom are men) will get a turn in the spotlight, but only to attract controversy.
Most of all Faux Feminism functions to ensure men (who actually benefit generally from parity in education and opportunity with women, as it removes the full burden of provision for families from them) view ‘feminists’ as butt-ugly party poopers, or sluts too dumb to charge for turning w****s tricks.
Now – in whose interests would that be?
Draw your own conclusions.
Many people are very alarmed and worried about these sexual assaults now, but before this it has been estimated around 10-15000 women mostly from countries like Ukraine and Romania were trafficked into the EU into sexual slavery through my country every year. Every year. Obviously this could not be done without the complicity and help of various authorities in this model country of equality and no corruption. Obviously these women and their fate was of no concern when the war was ramped up and marketed. In our media climate and with the resurgent “chivalry” it is systemic injustices like these that men still don’t find the will to discus, confront and fight, but choose disappearing these women instead.
Well observed Anonymous.
Prostitution/human trafficking is intimately connected to warfare. Always has been.
The pro-legalization lobby (via the ‘Greens’, long since hijacked for Malthusian/Big Pharma agendas in Germany) has succeeded in turning Germany into the ‘brothel of Europe.’
The skin-trade in that prosperous country had hitherto been little more than a cottage industry – until the destruction of Yugoslavia.
The legalization of prostitution was actively promoted to soak up and profit from the hordes of displaced East Europeans, including the many anonymous victims of ‘shock therapy’ in the Baltics and Poland.
(The Russians experienced it in the nineties, but had enough institutional strength for their current resurgence.)
Amnesty International, under the control of US State Department apparatchik, Susan Knaussel and her UK compradors, is a major player in the legalization canard . ( The colonial imperialists are not going to miss any opportunity to exploit all that ‘
freedom’ and ‘democracy’ their mercenary hordes bring to their target countries, are they?)
Legalization of prostitution also functions to erode the basis of the welfare state (social insurance against unemployment ) by denying bodily integrity as a fundamental human right. After all, anyone can turn a trick, even children. (The agenda was exposed when a young out of work waitress was told to take up employment as a prostitute in a brothel by her local employment exchange in Germany. Fortunately, she took a case against them and won. )
Legalizing pdophilia by stealth (classifiying ten year old boys as sexual ‘partners’ to adult males, ‘temple’ prostitution, children’s ‘sexual rights’) through LGBT ‘health’ and ‘education’ is another vector of this agenda.
As VVP recently observed, corruption in the West is at the top, and institutional ( political, academic and media.)
Corruption in Russia and China is bottom-up, and mostly involving baksheesh to petty officialdom.
The wider aim is to return nation-states to pre-welfare conditions,, like Victorian England when prostitution and crime flourished within its impoverished, teeming underclass.
Welfare savings, including from health and education can then be transferred to the transnational class to fund their security, as well as providing a burgeoning underclass to exploit at will – prostitution, porn, egg-extraction, womb-prostitution, organ trafficking. (Biggest IVF/egg- extraction industry in the world? Israel.)
The surplus can be killed off by sparking sectarian wars through terrorism.
Currently it is the Ukraine which provides the ‘raw materials’ to exploit, as well as the Middle East and parts of Asia and Africa.
…still no video recording of the notorious “mass rapes”…tsk, tsk…all those millions of cameras out there…tsk, tsk
Yes similar to the lack of documented evidence of the Paris Bombings.
No such issue with the events in Ukraine or Syria though.
shhhhhhhhh, you are asking ‘too much’ I wonder if they found any passports and pages of the Qur’an.
Violence and women: well, obviously none of you have run up against a sharp shooting, totally feminine looking and acting Texas gal. These ladies pack pistols in their purses, know how to use them and take no disrespect. And the law in Texas backs them up.
An elitist patriarchy is just as hard on the men as the women especially a dying one which thinks it can replace the lower caste/class men with robots ( yes, seriously there was some discussion in 2015 in various magazines until the meme went dead suddenly). As I tried to tell a very talented, beautiful young woman: the opposite of a brutal, powerful man is not an ineffectual, weak man, but she went for the weak guy because, after all, who likes to be beat up and abused by some yahoo who thinks masculinity is being dominantly violent using the money from his high paying job to play around?
As for guys who dress up in mini skirts as a gesture of solidarity with women: In Sacramento each year the various gay guy clubs dress up, put on high heels and march in a fundraiser, ” Walk a Mile in Her Shoes” for a local abused woman’s center. The high point is when they all break into a gallop for the last quarter mile: lots broken heels, skin and skinned knees.
Despite what people bemoan, there are men in Europe who are organizing to protect their communities and they will hold responsible all emigrants who aid or shelter those among them who are violent and anti social. Are some of them fascist types–undoubtedly. But the picture is much more complex and is gradually emerging more clearly as days go by.
My wife and I have had a brilliant day today…and last night – the bands playing in our local pubs are extremely talented…mostly doing covers..and I pipe up…and i ask if they can do some of their own original stuff (and they do).
Just before we went out a book arrived…Well I admit it did cost a lot of money – about £20…
It is hard backed, big – easy to read – nice type large – quality…
I told my wife…well its a little bit like War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy judging from the size..and she was impressed and asked me his name…I can’t remember that…This is
THE ESSENTIAL SAKER
Thank You,
Tony
Saker, it is well worth remarking on the feminization of American men and the breakdown in relationships it produces. (I would be happy to discuss that offline.) However I think you are off base here. While it’s fair to recognize the cultural weaknesses that the “destabilizers” are exploiting, it’s quite another matter to treat them as somehow the cause of the attacks.
We have seen ample circumstantial evidence that the flood of Syrian refugees was unleashed by the Turkish government in conjunction with the German and other NATO governments, and we have had ample warning that thousands of ISIS fighters, whether mercenaries or fanatics, are embedded in this refugee population. We know that the US and client governments have been at least cooperative with ISIS. The circumstantial evidence that the New Years Eve attacks were coordinated and planned is strong. Media and government response – massive condemnation of the foreigners in our midst – was right on cue and utterly predictable, so much so that whoever expended the considerable effort required to organizing them must certainly have been able to predict it.
Provoking a violent xenophobic reaction could of course be just a tolerable side effect of actions taken with some other intended result in mind. I have not been able to discern any other purpose however, so I have to assume the reaction was the purpose. The next question is. whose interests does it serve?
It’s hard to see how this reaction could advance the cause of European independence from the Empire. Therefore our purpose must be to help people identify our visceral and hormone-mediated reactions as such in order free our minds from the trap prepared for us.
I assume you could see all this. Do you find the trap prepared for us so irresistible that you just can’t stay out of it?
I don’t think the Saker or MsThranholm is saying that the feminization of European men is the cause of the attacks. Ms Thranholm clearly asks, how come the men did not defend their women? In pretty much every culture, the presence of a woman’s man makes other men leave her alone. No harassment. This is true even in middle eastern and African cultures. The reason is that if you mess with a man’s woman in his presence you are going to get beaten up. Thats a universal human value. Unless of course, of course its a European man who is thoroughly pussified.
I value the Saker and this blog very highly for the insight and information it provides about the Ukraine and Syria battlespaces and the internal dynamics of Russia first of all and about the growing global resistance to the Empire. I think he and most on this blog understand very well that “culture wars” are a tool that is aimed against us, and I probably shouldn’t have feared. It is important to understand the foe’s weapons, but once we start to believe that for example the struggle between Islam and Christianity – or Shia and Sunni – is of fundamental importance, that weapon, that mental wedge, is doing its damage. Our side will always be the side of unity of all peoples against the Masters of War. It was a central principle of the Communists against whom Saker once struggled, but now it belongs to us all.
“Provoking a violent xenophobic reaction could of course be just a tolerable side effect of actions taken……………………”.
The sudden massive influx of refugees was originally concocted by the Turkish, European and US governments as a means of frightening the European sheeple enough so that they back their respective governments in a full scale invasion of Syria to topple and murder Assad to “stop the flow of refugees”, and it was also co-ordinated with the Paris attacks for added incentive.
If people remember correctly at the time just before president Putin ordered the Russian airforce into Syria there were all kinds of talk from the evil scumbags of setting up “buffer zones for refugees” along the Turkish border, etc. to “stop the refugee crisis” which they manufactured.
The presence of Russian military forces in Syria put a stop to all their plans as it was the last thing they expected or anticipated and now they dont know what to do and are stuck with the refugees.
The interviewer doesn’t get it. That’s obvious to me. Calling Merkel a strong woman is absolutely ridiculous. Quite the opposite is true. She is a traitor. She is totally submissive to the Neo-Con clan agenda. A strong leader would have closed borders long ago. But the are just non-existant and no one knows if this ever will change.
Government introduces new orwellian speak almost everyday: to quiet the public they started strict border control some days ago. Upon a closer look what that means you find out that police is ordered to reject every migrant who does NOT want asylum in Germany. That is everybody who wants to exploit german welfare is welcome. And that’s the huge majority.
And what she also doesn’t know obviously is that after the Cologne event feminists were all over the place to excuse the aggressors.
Living in the US comes at a price.
I do not watch TV..I had no idea…maybe its just a co-incidence or a little example of synchronicity
My wife is watching on TV now a TV adaptation of War & Peace by Leo Tolstoy.
Tony
I haven’t watched this video and don’t intend to waste my time doing so.
This comment refers to the the on-going disaster forcing human displacement that is the Middle East, the ultimate crime of our time. The Israel project. Manmade’Religion’Vs manmade’Religion’. Medieval Fascism, Racism, Hegemonic destruction of supporters of Palestine. Murder and mayhem. Everything that is ‘deaf dumb and blind’ humanity, is daily on show for everyone to see.
To reduce this chaos to ‘girly men’ when better policing and sensible policies in Europe might have neutered chaos first up is unfortunate.
IMO good analysis of events requires an open mind, unfettered by ‘religion’, nationalism, racism etc etc. A mind closed since birth by say a ‘religious belief’ about the way we should be, produces not analysis but propaganda that will continue the status quo forever. Maybe that is the plan….Sadness.
Re: “For a society to survive its best to be a little uncivilized, to be more primitive, to be more intolerant”
This shows how confused and unintelligent people have become about even the most elementary truths and the nature of things. For starters, one should carefully the “Communist Manifesto” to become aware of how thoroughly Western society has become saturated and brainwashed, and thus to what extent society has become penetrated by “trojan horses” such as feminism, and by “useful idiot” “intellectuals” propounding “gay rights,” “women’s and gender studies”, and the like, not to mention the aggressive promotion of atheism as well as the politicization of religion generally. People are not aware that the idea of “political correctness” (PC) originated in the Communist party decades ago, when Russia was the Soviet Union. Its techniques of bullying and denunciation are typical of the Communist party. People have no idea to what extent Western society has been subverted and to what extent they have been converted into dupes of a godless and inhuman agenda of collectivization and globalization. Our intellectual and moral softness is the result of this subversion.
Regarding the subversive roots of feminism, for example, see “Betty Friedan and the Making of the Feminine Mystique: The American Left, the Cold War and Modern Feminism,” by David Horowitz.
For feminism, see also Kate Wiegand’s “Red Feminism: Communism and the Making of Women’s Liberation.”
See also the review of Stephen Koch’s book on one of the originators of the infamous “Frankfort School,” http://www.contra-mundum.org/cm/reviews/mh_double.pdf And then, get the book.
Bella Dodd, one of the leaders of the American Communist party in the early decades of the 20th century wrote a very revealing book, “School of Darkness,” which can be read online: http://genus.cogia.net/
I can no longer speak for Europe and have no wish to enter the male/female domination discussion but I will make this one point:
Canadians and Americans of both sexes are mostly docile and submissive while professing otherwise; they bow down before authority and believe every word the controlled media tells them.
Frankly I find this kind of humiliating domination sickening and too embarrassing to watch; I cringe with every fresh example.
I’m not sure if European/Whites are aware of this, or perhaps have forgotten it, since it was once present in their own cultures. In many parts of the world (I know this is true in Africa) it is common to enforce social norms by means of public humiliation. For example women who dress/behave in public, in ways that are sexually provocative and hence inappropriate will sometimes be subjected to public humiliation. Now I’m not justifying or excusing this behavior. But it is an age old sanction that is still practiced in many societies in the world today.
Certainly it is mainly enforced against women and it embodies a hypocritical double standard on the part of men. But it is a reality. I have seen numerous reports in the African press of incidents where a woman wearing a very short skirt is force to strip to her underwear and walk the gauntlet. Typically the punishment is meted out by both men and women, but frequently its just women who do it. In fact in my own society it was women who were traditionally expected to discipline their fellow women in this way. Men were supposed to stay away.
Today, of course, this behavior is against the law. So what typically happens is that drunken hooligans will mete out the punishment to some unfortunate girl under the guise of standing up for the culture.
All this is not to say that the German women behaved inappropriately for their culture. But the migrant hooligans may have applied their own cultural standards in order to have a bit of fun.
All the “real men” are in NATO training and fighting along with ISIS.
Not ONE Syrian arrested in these attacks.
Real sane men and women would be calling for the end of occupation and demand NATO off of the continent along with the refugees displaced by them. That is the real threat, otherwise Clapper wouldn’t be over there putting the hammer down on anyone who does.
RR
This says everything about the UN…
So money CAN BUY votes…
Notice some of the countries severed ties with Iran and got a bonus to be spent in the swiss alps..
15 Countries in Arrears to UN Including Venezuela Lose Vote
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has informed the General Assembly that 15 countries including oil producer Venezuela are in arrears in paying their annual contribution to the U.N. regular budget, which means they can’t vote in the 193-member world body unless there are exceptional circumstances.
Comoros, Guinea-Bissau, Sao Tome and Principe, Somalia and Yemen.
The five other countries that have lost their voting rights are Bahrain, Libya, Mali, Marshall Islands and Vanuatu.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/15-countries-arrears-including-venezuela-lose-vote-36460829
From the article, the annual contribution that varies in amount by country does not vary by denomination in which it is paid -US dollars. If that is true then that says it all.
Off topic just a bit but not by much because it shows what is to come.
sadly
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBritainFirst/videos/951770628301532/
So, since Iben Thranholm insists above all on “reality” and “practicality,” let’s see what she is in reality proposing. It follows as B follows A, from what she says here, that women can no longer go out at night without men to protect them.
So, how far back in time does that take us? Or where does that take us?
Thranholm seems to be advocating a Sicilian-type system where men take immediate revenge where they see the need to do so, they take direct action to protect their womenfolk, the womenfolk cannot go out without and escort, and if they do, they know they are provoking and they deserve what they get. Sure, IT doesn’t say this, but this is where her ideas inexorably go. She really is not making sense, and is quite inconsistent.
Now, out in the wilderness, fine, pack heat and know how to use it. That goes for women, too, by the way, and on the American frontier women did know how to defend themselves and to shoot to kill if necessary: a bear or an unwelcome intruder.
But frontier law is not applicable in settled urban communities. Not in a law-abiding societies, where individuals are not empowered to take the law into their own hands, for any reason, except actual self-defense. The Sicilian system soon ends up exactly where these men have come from: societies where honor killings of both men and women are de rigueur, stonings, Hatfield-McCoy feuds, women constrained and kept at home “for their own good.” Etc. A woman may be glad to have her life saved for her in a threatening situation, but few women are happy to be treated like children by men in their sphere and to have their actual hardwon freedoms reduced for their own protection.
Out in the wild or even in a deserted city street if a man or his woman or his child or friend is attacked, or he is attacked, he has the legal right to defend himself and them. Not so on the Domplatz of Cologne or any other busy city setting.
On the streets of Cologne it is for the *police* to protect everyone from lawlessness—women, men, and children. The big question here is the one raised by Elsi: Where was law enforcement? Why didn’t police immediately intervene and arrest these gropers? BTW, where are the phone videos etc. that one would expect from such a scene????
I don’t see that the “feminization of men, or society” has any relevance here. I am tempted to say that sounds like a cri de coeur from men who feel themselves marginalized and are looking for a “new” role—one based on a romantic notion of the old one. And from women who, similarly, yearn for a romantic ideal in males. These types of women invariably make bad choices when it comes to love and real-life relationships.
Far more relevant than the feminzation/remasculinazation business is, IMO, the issue of gender imbalance as discussed by Professor Hudson from Texas A&M (link was provided by 2Legit on another thread), and also the unrealistic *political* position of EU leaders who welcomed about a million young men to their countries under the wrong impulses and with very unrealistic expectations. These guy and gal “leaders” seem to have been trying to get a star for good behavior from someone and made bad political and policy calls.
BTW, if you are attacked and you scare the attacker away, you do not have the legal right to run after him and perform an extrajudicial killing. You are to call the police. You do not have the right to carry out a revenge killing under the banner of protecting the virtue of your sister or your wife. You do not have the right to lie in wait for this attacker who ran away and to shoot him dead. That is planned extrajudicial execution, Mafia style. That is the kind of thing that is going on in Ukraine.
Very disappointed in the fuzzy thinking and atavistic nonsense being spouted and corroborated by other fuzzies on this thread.
Katherine
@ Katherine:
“[..] So, since Iben Thranholm insists above all on “reality” and “practicality,” let’s see what she is in reality proposing. It follows as B follows A, from what she says here, that women can no longer go out at night without men to protect them.
So, how far back in time does that take us? Or where does that take us?”
In a society where a lot of women are the sole breadwinners supporting a family – whether it’s their own children or their extended families; younger siblings/cousins, elderly parents (etc) – what does this Thranholm female MRA/fifth-columnist/NGO propose women without male relatives should do?
Hire a bodyguard?!?
And what if the women in question can’t afford it? What should they do? Choose to go without eating, or make her family go without? Decisions… Decisions….
I suppose the ‘women sans male-relatives’ should have thought about those negative consequences before choosing to be born female, uh!? Serves them right! Sluts with no self-respect! That’s all they are! /end sarc
I’ve already read cases of European women doing late-night work shifts, who are having to spend a huge chunk of their pathetically low wages in taxis because they feel no longer safe to travel by public transport, nor walk alone late at night to get to the bus-stop/train-station.
What are these women supposed to do? Just quit their job and allow their families to go hungry and eventually homeless? Oh yeah… because that has SAFETY written all over it, doesn’t it?
-TL2Q
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PS: ^ BTW, non of the above was directed at you, Katherine, nor to the rest of your post.
It’s quite relevant since there is connection between feminisation and thirld-worldization of society.
When your men are weak, then other (often less tolerant) men will move in. In nature, it is usually males who guard the perimeter, or the pride, etc. from other males. Humans are no different; it is not a coincidence that men are more xenophobic, while women are more accepting of foreigners. Neutering of men will cause a decrease in xenophobia, and then other, more aggressive males will move in.
Katherine,
I agree 100 percent with Ms. Thranholm’s commentary.
Do you believe the purpose of law enforcement is to protect people from assault and battery or to stop the theft of property? That rarely ever happens in real life. The police only become involved after a crime has been committed and reported to them; they do not protect you and they don’t prevent crime.
In America if their is no law enforcement immediately available to effect an arrest, a person is permitted to pursue another individual who witnesses the commission of a crime and make a citizen’s arrest. The idea of ‘… not empowered to take the law into their own hands ..’ is a socialist myth. The arresting person must contact law enforcement as soon as possible and can detain that person until the police arrive.
People have a natural right to defend themselves, their loved ones, neighbors and property. It’s our personal responsibility to be aware of situations at all times because crime is a like a fluid jungle, criminal laws don’t exist in there, only violence and mayhem.
As a Sicilian male I take umbrage with your comment about the men of my culture. We do defend our wives, daughters and girl friends against any and all other males who dare make any gesture or motion that is considered disrespectful. The response is usually measured; it make be nothing more that a serious glance or strong words to rebuke the offender or it can escalate into a knockdown brawl. I can personally attest to one event where I punched a man hard in the face when he touched my wife inappropriately. If you have a problem with that, too bad for you.
Thank you for that comment, Katherine.
Hmmm,Iben Thranholm-” back in time,history,you have to fight back”. Now where have I heard that before “ooops” that’s right,from me. I say,and now she says the same thing. You can’t back down from bullies. If you do,you end up with what’s happening to Europe today.
For Mods,
When trying to access Russia Insider I get the following pop-up page
Deceptive site ahead
Attackers on http://www.clickterra.net may trick you into doing something dangerous like installing software or revealing your personal information (for example, passwords, phone numbers, or credit cards).
Automatically report details of possible security incidents to Google. Privacy policy
Could one of you, or The Saker, please advise them;
Thanks,
Stephen
As most people here, I agree with the lady from Denmark about the lack of virility in Europe. However like most vulgar propagandists infecting the mass media all over Europe and America, this lady did not miss the opportunity to associate the culture and the religion with the heinous crimes, worse Anissa didn’t bother to ask her for clarification as she normally does. What is most disgusting and disappointing is not one, NO ONE SINGLE of the posters noticed and commented about that big lie, to the contrary almost every one seems to agree “one hundred percent” with this woman. If one has to follow this woman’s reasoning, then the countries with the highest quota of incarcerated criminals (not political prisoners) are certainly the American countries (North, Central and South America) and Europe (East and West), all of them Christians and of European culture, I invite this woman and whoever “agrees 100%” with everything she said to ruminate on this reasoning..
I’m inclined to agree with Katherine here in the sense that we are stamping on thin ice, making a lot of assumptions and drawing a lot of conclusions while proffering simple solutions to a complex political, social and cultural phenomena all based on scant information or video recordings, eyewitnesses and victim testimonial of events that took place place in a number of German cities NYE.
Lets back up for a moment and review what we do know (at least what I know) of the what took place that night according to the scant reports and videos that have surfaced of the event to date.
In brief: German nationals in Cologne exiting a train or subway station over the evening hours into a large square unexpectedly encountered a thick crowds of up to some 1,000 mostly younger men described variously as looking like “Arabic and/or darker skinned north African and Moroccan migrants and refuges” celebrating NYE, many of them drinking openly and setting off fire works with some intentionally aimed into the crowd itself by the party revelers.
As I understand it, it’s when these German transit exist passengers tried to make their way thru this crowd of men that (with some 500 or 600 having since filed criminal complaints) variously claiming they were, physically jostled and accosted, pickpocket-ed and robbed, sexually harassed and molested and some actually raped. All while a small contingent of police overwhelmed by the size of the crowd of unruly men and unable to get any back up, did little to protect and defend the hapless victim’s and largely stood back and watched the mayhem unfolding in front of their eyes. And then apparently the police chief and the media tried to cover it up for most of the rest of the week.
So if true and a reasonably accurate description of the circumstances that a flow of German transit travelers of men and women either individually, or as couples or in small groups suddenly faced upon having exiting the train station into the square, what exactly could the men among them have done to fend and fight off the onslaught of this aggressive mob of some 1,000 abusive young men gathered there?
Unless you’ve watched way to many Tommy Lee and Rambo with his iron fists & a machine gun movies, survival instincts and common sense tells me as a man you’d have had no choice but to grab the wrist of your female companion or any other woman hold on to her for dear life and do your best to try and break thru and escape the gauntlet of abusers with body checks at a football players full run.
Something I would imagine many German men actually did under is circumstances. If you know anything at all about the mentality of a frenzied mob, outnumbered like that it would not only be suicidal to stop and start a fight with the crowd but also put in dire jeopardy and risk loosing altogether your female partner in the process and having her dragged off by the mob. Exactly what probably happened to women that were separated from a group and raped.
Don’t get me wrong, I would sooner die defending a women a child or my countrymen against grave injustice. But just as a fox does not go head to head combat with a bear it would be a crime to risk another person’s safety or life in some kind of futile and vain Macho attempt just to prove one’s manhood.
Even a tiger knows when it’s time to fight or take flight if he or she has any choice.
I just wanted to touch on this singular aspect here for now, since the whole male and female issue is a heated and highly charged one judging from the dialog and comments here so far and goes much deeper and raises a lot more fundamental questions than I can go into in this missive this late at night.
Besides I think the real issues at stake here are what ought to be self-evident in this day and age one’s of basic universal humane rights irrespective of gender, political ideologies, religious beliefs or cultural norms.
As for whats happened politically since and the disgustingly inept demonstration by men wearing pink skirts protesting the attacts I don’t even want to go there at the moment, excepting to say that Germany and all Europe needs to severely crack down on the perpetrators of these crimes and educate all misogynists and sex offenders both domestic and foreign with some severe Head Line News heavy long term jail incarcerations and/or immediate deportations.
And get the hell out of the middle east and the Ukraine and thus stop creating any more legitimate refuges and criminally inclined migrants just for starters.
And on a (probably final) note, news from RT that a Danish girl who used pepper spray to deter her assailant is expected to be fined:
https://www.rt.com/news/330264-denmark-girl-rapist-fine/
I wondered when this would happen.
@ eimar:
“I wondered when this would happen.”
Me too. It was only a matter of time, really.
This one is for all those people out there wondering why Europeans don’t fight back. This is just one of the many reasons why they don’t, all those reasons are State sanctioned and it has freak-all to do with men being “feminized.”
I, personally, think it’s far better to pay the fine than allow something truly horrible to happen to you.
On the other hand, if the instances of women getting fined for using pepper spray on their assailants start piling up, wouldn’t this become a sort of taxation fee for, wait for it… NOT getting raped?
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Another case of European injustice here:
Frenchman who brandished gun at migrant demonstrators at Calais
“Gaël was handed a 22-caliber air rifle by a friend, and waved it briefly on the doorstep of the house for a few seconds.
Police were informed and Gaël was briefly arrested, before being told that he would be released without charge [..]”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418115/I-just-don-t-think-invasion-Frenchman-brandished-gun-marauding-migrants-Calais-insists-not-anti-foreigner.html
^ It’s doesn’t matter if he was “charged” or not, it does matter that he was arrested, whether it was “briefly” or not is not the point either.
The point is that the State will inconvenience you if you make any attempt to self-defend, while letting the aggressors off the hook because, you know…
…it’s such a hassle to track them down, arrest them, charge them… Just think of the paper work! Not to mention it’s a dangerous task, what if they find the suspect and he’s violent? Oh no! No-one needs that! Much better AND safer to hand over fines to women for carrying pepper sprays.
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Here’s yet another lame excuse from the so-called “law enforcers” for not doing their job:
Thousands Protest As Russian Govt Accuses Germany Of Covering Up Migrant Rape Of 13 Year Old Russian Girl
“German police have claimed the disappearance by the 13 year old daughter of a Russian migrant family for 30 hours on January 11th, and her use as a “sex slave” by a trio of Arab men had been consensual, and no kidnap or rape had been involved [..]”
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/27/russian-government-accused-german-authorities-of-migrant-crime-coverup-after-elleged-gang-rape-of-13-year-old-russian-citizen/
^Someone needs to remind these pigs: Errr…. Yo, a$$wipes! Engaging in any sexual activity with a minor is against the freakin’ LAW!!!!!!!!!! If it’s consensual or not is irrelevant, it’s still a felony!
-TL2Q
I agree with Iben Thranholm up to a point. Other involved aspects of our culture seem to pass under her radar. Both men AND women have been messed up by the current social engineering taking place thru media, education, etc. Women in my opinion are also surrendering their feminity. How else would you call being dressed up but still looking practically naked? Do men systematically show their legs and thighs, or wear see-through blouses or stretch jeans? Where is modesty? I often take as a model the Indian sari: feminine, covering the body, decent, following the body’s movement while undulating, leaving a minimal part of the lower back naked for sexiness.
To summarize, these ‘refugees’ suddenly find in front of them practically naked women. Another factor completely ignored by most is that they are probably drugged with Captagon, which would explain the unbelievable savagery of some scenes viewed on Youtube etc. Should we call a Captagon user ‘a real man’?
@ Gilles:
“[..] Women in my opinion are also surrendering their feminity. How else would you call being dressed up but still looking practically naked? Do men systematically show their legs and thighs, or wear see-through blouses or stretch jeans? Where is modesty?” + “To summarize, these ‘refugees’ suddenly find in front of them practically naked women…”
Or… to summarize…
….does your rather loose definition of “practically naked” also includes toddlers?
.
Yet ANOTHER Migrant On Child Sex Attack At A European Swimming Pool
Staff at an Austrian swimming pool have been told to “pay attention” after a horrified mother caught a migrant sexually assaulting her three year old son in the children’s pool
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/21/yet-another-migrant-on-child-sex-attack-at-a-european-indoor-pool/
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Please, do ‘fill’ me in, because at this point I’m not sure if we’re supposed to force only the women into black tent-like garments, or… we should also dress infants – of both sexes and any age – into tiny tent-like garments too…
…lest we transgress the penis-centered unwritten-laws on “modesty”?
(?)
Hmmm?
-TL2Q
The answer to your query is in my first comment if you care to read. Regards.
” Please, do ‘fill’ me in, because at this point I’m
not sure if we’re supposed to force only the
women into black tent-like garments, or… we
should also dress infants – of both sexes and
any age – into tiny tent-like garments too…
…lest we transgress the penis-centered
unwritten-laws on “modesty”?
(?)
Hmmm?”
*snorts laughing*
Indeed. This *modesty* debate is downright sexist.
I want to see a spirited condemnation of Speedos from the Saker.
(He’s already done pink shorts, so lets not go there again…:)
I find the behavior of the “rapist” the refugees, rather strange. It is according to me uncommon behavior for ME people. Of course the whole thing is a political move. What is really behind all this ?? If the rape story is true then the rapist must have been doped or otherwise stimulated.infiltrated etc.
The story about the aggressive male is repugnant. You can for instance read “The Land of the Naked People” about the indigenous people of the Andamans. Matriarchal societies are were less cruel more civilized then our present one. Unless one thinks that having atom bombs etc. is a sign of superior civilisation. When a black man rapes a white woman it is hell when a white man rapes a coloured woman well those things happen. Wonder what is the rape “incidence in the US at present ?? In any case rape is a sign of lack loveliness of a society without true love.
And oh you can also read the treatment of indigenous women African American Asian by the white christian civilized male men. amen
ZH screams the barbarians have breached the walls of Rome:
Where were the men that night…? — Perhaps psychologically standing back and watching some payback?
Balance? Sure…. but first viable systems are needed from which requisite balance can emerge.
And when the culture is shot, the whole unravels.
Seems Europe is now descending from failed theory into a successful geopolitical colony.
Interesting times indeed.
From my own observations over the years I’ve noticed that most married American men are thoroughly dominated by their wives. This is especially noticible among the rightwing types, who make the most noise about how they are in charge.
@Vot Tak
Nothing new here!
It is simultaneously anthropological and apocryphal.
But why not, anyhow?
We all know that women work harder than men.
The Danish knew a thing or two about this as of when Hans Christian Anderson recorded what happens when a man decides to take a day of rest by switching jobs with his wife.
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/norway010.html
Har de har har har har.
SEriously, though, let’s just unpack the assumption that there is something wrong with a wife dominating her mate.
Obviously, the unspoken and unexamined assumption is that this up-ends “natural’ power relationships and of course the hubby should dominate the little woman.
In reality,” Iben’s favorite word, it has been ever so that many, many women have ruled from behind. Some conceal it better than others.
Damned sorceresses, how did they do it???!!!
But, the fact is, domineering behavior is a bummer wherever it is to be found.
Katherine
“let’s just unpack the assumption that there is something wrong with a wife dominating her mate”
Wife dominating her mate means that she found/chose a weak mate, and will probably have weak offspring. Women (and many female animals) are hypergamous, which means that they are programmed to look for a top 10 percent male. In other words they try to marry up. And those top ten percent males are usually dominant and powerful males.
These types of arguments make me laugh!!
Never heard the word “hypergamous,” but I don’t question it.
HOwever, “the top 10 percent” can mean a lot fo different types of power. It can be money, it can be physical power, it can be social class, it can mean intellectual power. It is definitely not necessary dominant in the sense “macho” behavior.
This, too, has been scientifically demonstrated.
But this is the kind of discussion that lays a false trail, a red herring, that gets further and further afield of the actual issues raised by whatever occurred in Cologne, and its reception, and makes it more and more difficult to see through the murk and understand just what occurred, and what it really means. Big picture. Everyone’s p.o.v. based on how their marriage or most recent relationship ended or their view that their best friend is pussy-whipped etc. (and I have relations who I see pussy-whipping their hubbies and I do not like that; as I say, all domineering behavior is a bummer)—this anecdotat tack is not going to get us very far. And anecdotal is more or less the level of Iben Thranholm’s comments.
Katherine
A dominant man in the sense that:
1 He is competitive, and outperforms other males and females, and has higher position in society.
2. He can not be pussy-whipped because he has options and other women are waiting for him. All Quality men have other women competing for them, and so those men are not needy, not willing to take sh.., and are hard to tame. So it is hard for a woman to control a top ten percent man, because he has many other options and many other women are waiting for him.
“So it is hard for a woman to control a top ten percent man, because he has many other options and many other women are waiting for him.”
Right.
However, if they get married in the U.S. (e.g.) – then she really gets on top, she can threaten him with courts & lawyers & police, divorce, enslavement by alimony for life – and our poor “dominant male” is finished, finito, kaputt… Else he becomes meek like a kitten ‘n obeys…
God bless wild animal kingdom, for there are no courts…
@Anonymous
Even in the US that’s not correct. First, the majority of US adults are not married, so marriage is less relevant than before. That’s not the 70’s, when almost everyone was married. These days the trend is against marriage.
Second, i do not see someome like let’s say Donald Trump as finished, devastated, or turned into kitten. He had several marriages. So?
Hmmm, sounds pretty simple.
Especially when a top ten percenter has the harem or four-wife option or divorce your wife by circling her thrice while saying, “I divorce you. I divorce you. I divorce you.”
Otherwise, maybe not so simple.
And, assuming ditching the bossy b—h can be done, this of course leaves another female without an escort. But she deserves to be harassed at night etc.and perhaps raped because she was bossy.
Sorry, can’t keep a straight face here.
Does the same apply to the top 10% woman, I wonder . . .
Katherine
“Does the same apply to the top 10% woman, I wonder ..”
I don’t know, Katherine…
Now concerning the harem you mentioned.
Years ago I had a colleague at my university (here in the U.S.), who came from Iran, a “devout Moslem” (or whatever) – and a womaniser if there ever was one. (And BTW, I am not making any of the following up, no one could. Life is more interesting than fiction.)
One day we were lunching in the cafeteria as usual, but now he was terribly downtrodden. What happened, I asked. Well, he had this profound conviction that every man should have four wives. So, naturally, he started putting his theory into practice (here in the U.S. :-)). First, he “married” one of his (American) girlfriends (not legally, but according to some ritual he claimed was religiously valid, where only he and she were present). Then he did the same with (or to :-?) another girlfriend. The only minor omission was, that he did not tell to either one of the two happy brides about the existence of the other one. He said, he had been planning to introduce them to each other “gradually”, since the two came “from a different culture” (American) and would first need to get “accustomed” and “acclimatised”…
Just the night before our lunch he finally made the first “step” and – “introduced” the wives #1 and #2. To his utmost astonishment, however, the meeting of the two “wives” turned mutually extremely violent, just like mixing matter and antimatter. Needless to add, both of them instantly “divorced” my colleague and hence he was now a sad single. Over lunch he was cursing the lack of culture of American women :-)
P.S
I met the same fellow a few years later in our library. He wasn’t teaching there any longer (was toiling some industrial job) and was showing me a letter he was composing. He in fact had a son with his (for a short time and now long former) “wife #1”, and he was presently in the midst of a bitter and prolonged unsuccessful legal fight for custody of the child. His letter was addressed to the court, to an American judge by name, and started with the following preamble (approx.): “In The Name Of Allah, The All Merciful …” (etc.),
in which he was trying to convince the judge that it was only fair that a male child be brought up by a deeply devout Muslim father. (I am sorry if I might have hurt his feelings by suggesting to him then, that the approach might rub an American judge exactly the wrong way, and that he should hire an experienced lawyer instead.)
@Katherine
“Does the same apply to the top 10% woman, I wonder .”
From biological point of view, there is no such thing as top 10% woman. There are alpha males, but there are no alpha females. All women are equal to each other from genetic point of view, because all women could easily reproduce (unlike men, who are not guaranteed to have kids, and must show some qualities in order to reproduce). Historically, 80 percent of women reproduced, but only 40 percent men managed to reproduce. This is why there is much more variation among males, while women are more similar to each other. This could be seen in IQ scores – women usually have moderate IQ, not much variation among them, while men are both those with the highest scores and those with the lowest scores (there are more geniuses and more dumb people among men).
For nature, it makes sense to create top men, with exceptional qualities or unique abilities, who are also called alpha men, but it doesn’t make sense to create top women, because a high quality man could theoretically impregnate many women, and have more kids compared to a high quality woman. The womb limits the number of kids a quality female could have, while the quality male is not limited by this and could have more kids, and easily spread his beneficial genes. This is the reason why almost all geniuses, nobel laureats, etc. are male.
This could be seen in animals as well, where most females reproduce, but not all males manage to reproduce. Those who reproduce are those who are high in the male hierarchy, and show better qualities. Males (but not females, who are equal to each other) exist in hierarchy (alpha males, beta males), and are like genetic filter, where females pick up the best males and share them, while the rest of the males do not reproduce.
@ Anonymous (from January 26, 2016 at 10:37 am UTC)
“… 80% … 40% … IQ scores … in animals …”
Ausgezeichnet, mein Parteigenosse, ausgezeichnet…
A good old theory from our Third Reich…
Katherine
RE: wives being dominant in the usa.
“But why not, anyhow?
We all know that women work harder than men.”
Sadly, that is the problem with much of modern human societies. They have been steeped in the dominance/submission mentality so long and so thoroughly they can no longer grasp a co-operative concept where NOBODY is dominant.
Besides the endless strife this causes in society, it also creates the “us vs them” sorts of stereotyping that is manifest in your 2nd sentence I quoted.
@Vot Tak
“Sadly, that is the problem with much of modern human societies. They have been steeped in the dominance/submission mentality so long and so thoroughly they can no longer grasp a co-operative concept where NOBODY is dominant.”
Sure.
I am the person who wrote early on in this thread that all domineering individuals/behavior are a bummer.
K
k 9:38
Then which is it?
“But why not, anyhow?”
or
“all domineering individuals/behavior are a bummer.”
In the English language there is a word called consistency.
ACTION
’Forced migration’ to Europe (CIA and Soros type NGOs)
REACTION
Instigating migrants vs. locals conflict (local Intelligence services and Rothschild press)
SOLUTION
Police state, etc.
Just saying, folks. Careful with jumping to quick conclusions in the ‘mass rape in Europe’ story. Couldn’t this be a planned provocation by the usual suspects? 5% facts mixed with 95% lies and media hysteria to further radicalize an already panicky, frustrated and confused population? Once the middle ground is lost, communities start breaking apart. Could this be the controllers’ motive?
It’s all part of the Elite’s agenda. Anissa Naouai and Iben Thranholm both have a long way to go to understand what is really going on and who is pulling the strings.
There are numerous studies indicating that women are less xenophobic, less racist, and more accepting of foreigners, including more willing to help foreigners/refugees in need. 75 percent of converts to Islam in the US and the UK are women. It follows that a feminized society will be more tolerant and accepting society, while a masculinized society will be more nationalist society. There are plenty of studies showing that women have more liberal voting patterns, are more supportive of affirmitive action in order to fight “racial inequality”, are less willing to support deportation of illegal immigrants, etc.
Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in government expenditures and revenue and more liberal voting patterns for MPs.
It is not a coincidence that Sweden, the most feminized country on the planet, took more refugees per capita than anyone else. There is only one anti-immigration party there and women were only 36 percent of its voters, same for most anti-immigration parties in Europe.
So women are not going to fix the islamization/third-worldization problems, since, in many ways, they caused those problems, via “child-free” behavior causing negative birth rate (below population replacement rate), political support for “tolerance”, “multiculturalism”, the welfare state, and dysgenic behavior (highly educated women are more likely to be childless compared to less educated women).
The more nationalist countries are those with more male influence (Russia, China, Muslim countries, Japan, Israel, Eastern Europe, etc.), while the more liberal countries are those with more female influence, such as those from Western Europe and North America.
Men evolved to protect the perimeter against males from other (mainly patriarchal) tribes (chimps do the same). Having women involved in decisions about the perimeter results in what we see – open borders, multiculture, diversity, “tolerance”.
Women, for the most part, care about resources and smoothing conflict over. They evolved to fill that role. Stockholm Syndrome is far more pronounced in female captives. Women were frequently taken captive by (or in some cases traded to) other groups, and so they evolved to smooth things over with distant groups (whereas their male kinfolk were simply killed). The survival of their genes, unless they were exceptionally ugly, was more or less guaranteed – whichever tribe they end up being with. That is why they are more accepting of foreigners and foreign rule.
So, women tend to vote for resource redistribution and being nice to everybody (including those who aren’t in their group), and for helping everybody in need, regardless of their group (say hello to refugee crisis).
The last thing this serious issue needs is more ‘just-so’
‘ stories from the socio-biologist crew.
That particular academic fashion has pretty much gone the way of its parent ideology, genetic determinism.
Must try harder.
Well, i do not particularly care if you like it or not.
I see nothing wrong in the diversity of comments, viewpoints, etc.
It’s about the big picture. I don’t think the situation has much to do with the lack of macho guys in Europe. What’s frustrating people is what’s left unsaid. European leaders total subservience to US Neocon, media/foreign policy/power matrix that controls most all politicians in the west
When the refugee crisis was first happening, Hungary was very resistant to the idea of housing the refugees. So of course in came the sob and guilt stories of their own past and own plight being refugees from WW 2. The pressure is on.
And if you resist? All of a sudden your core economic sectors will be threatened. (Volkswagen, BNP bank of France, Toyota etc.) That’s why the leaders sellout their sovereignty, to protect other more powerful interests.
The Neocons who have infested the US power establishment hates Europe, cannot stand the idea of an independent Europe that could align itself economically with Russia, and will even destroy it by fermenting chaos with this refugee “crisis.” that they caused themselves. The trap has been set.
@fullback84
Very good points.
Keep your eye on the ball.
“Violation of womenfolk” is a tried and true technique used to whip up emotions and aggression, divide and rule those whose interests actually are similar. Cf. the American South and the cult of white womanhood, ow much horrifying injustice was done to African American men under this rubric.
Cui bono from this whole rape hysteria? Were women actually raped on teh Domplatz? Am I the only one who finds this hard to believe? Have the raped women come forward to tell their stories?
We really need to look below the surface here and figure out who is using these incendiary ideas to stir, stir, stir the pot. I am not in favor of this million=man migration, but again, what is behind it? Why was it encouraged and who enabled, who paid all of those transport rats?
And when will European powers understand that they must stop following the Americans and Brits like lemmings? They are helping the whole world—or the MENA and reaching ever farther into sub-Saharan Africa and coming soon to other locations in your neighborhood—go over a cliff.
A very disturbing essay from Tom Englehardt about the ongoing destruction of nations in the MENA:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176094/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_tomorrow%27s_news_today/#more
Katherine
Well, I watched and read this thread from when it was put up. I made up my mind I would not comment but I did read the discussion couple times a day. By this time I’m appalled at what is written here, running the gamut of everyone is at fault to no one is at fault and everything in between with some pretty deep philosophical discussions and pontifications.
Here’s what happened in a nutshell.
Apparently some locals exited a train station at or near Koln center on New Years Eve. Apparently they ran in to a large crowd of migrants recently arrived from other countries. There were enough reports within an hour of the two groups meeting that something happened and from the vids of the crowd of migrants they were pretty rowdy.
How many, if any, women were raped, molested, had their tushies fondled or their cell phones stolen is open to conjecture but it is obvious that the local police failed to protect anyone and did nothing to break up the rowdy crowd of migrants. Two or three days later, however, those same police were out in their hundreds to break up an anti migrant demonstration while at the same time protesting that they had not enough manpower to stop whatever happened in the square.
What you have here is a failure of paid employees to do the task they are paid to do, which with the police it is to keep public order, protect their citizens and stop criminal behavior. I don’t give a damn whether or not Merkel knew, whether or not the local police head knew or even cared (I read he resigned a day or two after the altercations), I don’t care if Bonn gives a crap or not. It is up to the German People to make sure that their highly paid police do their job. End of story. If the German citizens can not or will not have their police enforce public order then they have no one to blame but themselves. If the German citizens can not or will not if needs be force their government to do what the German citizens want then they have no one to blame but themselves, and this statement includes every other country in what is known as the european union bar none. If your government does not do what you want then toss ’em out, one way or another.
As for the relationship between men and women, these relationships have been going on at least since I was conceived and possibly for some decades before. There are good men, mediocre and bad men just as there are good women, mediocre women and bad women. We are creatures of our genetics and instincts, pure and simple. The ability to harness those genetics and instincts is the mark of real men and women, the inability to harness them puts that individual right up there with an amoeba crawling through protozoan mush. All the rest of the verbiage is just that, verbiage for the sake of verbiage.
Agree.
This is by a long shot the lamest thread I have ever read on this blog.
Very revealing.
Disappointing.
Katherine
@Katherine
Agreed. Lamest by far in the comments section. The Dawkins scholars have come out in force with their Genes for Dummies catechism telling us about the “programming” and “hardwiring” towards marrying top 10% domineering husbands and other jewels. It follows that about 90% of women have to settle for inferior levels of submission, as the truly bossy men are already taken. Tough luck. On the other hand, the real ambitious females look only among the top 0.1% bossiest and settle for nothing less. Those are the leaders of femalehood. The future of the species.
Fun thread though. Because of the unbridled nonsense.
Except that the top ten percenters apparently can’t handle those women who chose them because the latter are bossy—more dominant than the guys! This implies that the most dominant females are more dominant than the most dominant guys.
Jeez, I think males are less logical than females (:-))
The guys express their putative “dominance” not by dominating the woman but getting her out of their sight, if they can— if you buy in to any of this . . .
Oh, and speaking of percentages, and DNA, do you know what percentage of children are not fathered by the supposed dad? Here you go:
http://disinfo.com/2011/02/one-out-of-ten-people-werent-fathered-by-the-man-they-believe-is-dad/
“” Splat !!!”” [[sound of genetic theories of heritability of male dominance features hitting wall]]
“The research shows that the lower a purported father’s socioeconomic status, the more likely his wife got someone else to father the child. From a Darwinian standpoint this makes perfect sense, since she wants her offspring to have the highest-caliber DNA, which may not come from the stiff she settled for at the altar.”
Women are not stoopid, and they seem to understand practical genetics just fine, thank you very much!!
Katherine
Exactly. I thought about mentioning cuckolding as well.
“sound of genetic theories of heritability of male dominance features hitting wall” Nope.
“The research shows that the lower a purported father’s socioeconomic status, the more likely his wife got someone else to father the child.”
Do you understand what you just copy pasted? The weaker her male is, the more likely is for the woman to look for an alpha male, who will usually be a more dominant male as well. His genes go forward, while the weak beta male failed to reproduce, but he does not know that, so he takes care of the child. Those women who cuckolded their weak husbands understood practical genetics just fine, but for you, i’m not so sure.
As for women, dominant behavior does not matter, because both dominant and submissive women will reproduce. Intelligence does not matter as well, since both smart and dumb women will reproduce. That is why males are sexually turned on by female bodies, and not by other qualities of the female. That is why there are situations where low status maids or babysitters have children from the husband, behind the back of his powerful wife.
Men do not have problem to marry down or to have kids from low status women. Women are the other way around – they seek to marry up. If the male has low status, as you posted, they will seek more high status man. This is why there is a tale for female Cinderella, but there is no tale for male Cinderello.
“Exactly. I thought about mentioning cuckolding as well.
“sound of genetic theories of heritability of male dominance features hitting wall” Nope.
Yep.
The point is that the “most dominant male” (most power, money, cars, etc.) may not be the one whom the female chooses for DNA, who may be the cook or the chauffeur. But the former is the one who will get to care for her and the child and provide the best chance for the child to reach adulthood. And who will be coiunted among the “top ten percenters.”
The ability of the female to mix and match nature and nuture is what turns the notion of “dominance” and “top ten percenter” on its head.
The whole top ten percenter thing is faintly ludicrous, don’t you agree? Not to mention the fact that many who who would be so described turn out to be gay.
Anyway, bye-bye. I am moving on from the nonsense bubbling to the surface on this thread.
Alexander Mercouris is sooooo much more rewarding, in every way. Now, there is a real top ten percenter!
I think . . .
Katherine
@Katherine
“The point is that the “most dominant male” (most power, money, cars, etc.) may not be the one whom the female chooses for DNA, who may be the cook or the chauffeur. ”
Did you read your own info? The study says that the lower the social status of the husband (and purported father), with whom “she settled for at the altar.” the more likely is that he will become a cuckold and the woman will look for quality DNA somewhere else. The higher the social status of the husband, the less likely is that he will become a cuckold. Because, according to your own info, a woman “wants her offspring to have the highest-caliber DNA”.
“The research shows that the lower a purported father’s socioeconomic status, the more likely his wife got someone else to father the child. From a Darwinian standpoint this makes perfect sense, since she wants her offspring to have the highest-caliber DNA, which may not come from the stiff she settled for at the altar.”
If the “purported father” whom she “she settled for at the altar”, is a low status male, it is more likely that he will become a cuckold, and will take care for the child of a man with quality genes (an alpha man).
Cuckolding happens, because there are not enough alpha males for all the women. Not all women could marry a top man. Many women are forced to marry weaker beta males. So it makes sense for them to look for alpha man seed, and to try to turn their weak husbands into a cuckolds.
Do not mistake a CEOs wife having (safe) sex with the cook, and having kids from the cook. Those two are very different things. According to you own info (thank you for it), a high status male is less likely to be cuckolded.
Other than that, i also like reading Alexander Mercouris. Have a nice day.
Most aspects of the whole practical genetics neodarwinian narrative is impossibly muddled and self contradictory at the slightest scratching beneath the surface. In the case at hand, for example, if you examine the history of the measurement of “intelligence” you will find hilarious levels of tinkering performed almost exclusively by white males to establish that the white male is the most intelligent object in the known universe. Going by the narratives, the most succesful among those males (i.e. by definition the ones with the highest quality DNA, supposedly) should not choose air-headed bimbos as reproductive mates, and should instead opt for brainy specimens, preferably with very wide hips and sturdy thighs for reproductive ease, with near complete disregard to the face features etc. But they don’t generally do that. Also, their claims to the superior DNA of the succesful ones is comically contradicted for example by the well-known fears that wealthy white men have commonly had about their wives sanitarily consorting with laborers, stable boys, and even black slaves in the US south, suspecting their wives genes would fail to grasp the inferior nature of the DNA in whose brutish arms they wished to throw themselves, throwing breeding wisdom to the winds etc for the sake of pure pleasure. And I am told by studious antrhopos that beta and even gamma chimps are happily allowed by the prettiest females of the group to consort with them when the alfas are out of sight, and sometimes those old inferior lechers are observed flashing their attributes at females after making sure no alfa is watching.
Truth is we know nearly nothing about any of this and the tales spun by “evolutionary psychology” to explain away matrimonial customs and other lore are extraordinarily entertaining nonsense. At least to me.
@Anonymous
Actually people from East Asia have higher IQ scores compared to white males. Also white males on average have similar IQ to white females. But intelligence among males in more variable, so they are both those with the lowest scores (compared to white females), and those with the highest scores.
Also nobody really knows if intelligence is a good thing from reproductive point of view, Whites and east asians are those groups with the lowest birth rate. The most educated women have less kids than less educated women. Females are looking for males with high status in the male hierarchy, but that does not necessarily mean the most intelligent males. It could also mean a sportist, or a high status criminal, a gang leader, a “bad boy”, etc. Criminals are known to reproduce very well.
Humans were doing fine before 5000 years, just like many other species exist without the need for large brains, technology, etc.
According to some studies, IQ across the world is actually declining:
“Evidence suggests that the IQs of people in the UK, Denmark, Norway and Australia have declined in the last decade.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/mind/iq-in-decline-across-the-world-as-scientists-say-were-getting-dumber/news-story/f08cbe3b4ab62c500e28d4a4e3b64780
Data fot the US also suggests possible IQ decline.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-03/americans-have-never-been-dumber
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/brookings-now/posts/2015/07/decline-in-average-intelligence-marine-corps-officers
@Anonymous 2:37
*wildly applauds*
Great post – evo psych is a parlour game, no more, no less. (Though like psychoanalysis, it has been a good moneyspinner in McMedia/McAcademia. )
Even E.O. Wilson (who never made a fraction of the claims his disciples like Dawkins did ) had to eventually dissociate out of scientific embarrassment
Thanks for making me laugh.
@Anonymous
“Going by the narratives, the most succesful among those males (i.e. by definition the ones with the highest quality DNA, supposedly) should not choose air-headed bimbos as reproductive mates, and should instead opt for brainy specimens”
It is very hard for this to happen because the female fertility window limits it. Men are aroused by young women – those with the highest fertility – 20 – 29 year old. Male sexual arousal corelates with female fertility. And those young women are usually not that smart, and usually did not achieve much in life. It is hard to have a 25 year old female professor or accomplished scientist, don’t you think? Yet the 25 year woman is also the most fertile woman. A younger woman could also have sevaral kids, but it becomes harder for older women to have more than one kid. Secondary infertility is the inability to conceive or carry to term a second or subsequent child, and it affects mostly women who are above 30 years of age.
A 40 year old infertile female proffesor/successful scientist is useless from reproductive point of view, but a 40 year male proffesor could impregnate several younger women.
This is why female intelligence or social status are not very important factors for males, as far as breeding is concerned. Men regularly report youth and looks as the most important female reproductive indicators. Youth and looks corelate with female fertility, intelligence or social status, not so much. Therefore it doesn’t make sense for nature to make males to be attracted by high female intelligence, or high female social status. Those factors may still play some role, but it is lower role compared to female youth and looks.
Katherine, you must love lame threads..you’ve got more comments here than anyone.
You’re funny.
Comment counting?
What for?
Lame.
comment counting = trolling.
@Ann:
Suzanne, you have no idea what you’re talking about … Spend some time researching her, and if you still feel that way, then all I can say is…your opinion reflects who you are.
@Ann: Katherine, you must love lame threads.. you’ve got more comments here than anyone.
You’re funny.
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Ann, I am calling you out on this comment and on this genre of comment, in which you have shown yourself a specialist in other threads. But I thought you had gotten enough bad feedback on your earlier sniping to cut it out. Apparently not. I am surprised the moderator allows such cattiness. Always, I have noticed, directed toward other women. Apparently you don’t sit there counting men’s comments.
Katherine
and another thing about this thread…I was actually really impressed with Eimar’s comments near the beginning…it certainly didn’t start out a lame thread.
Eimar, thanks for your very interesting input, always…
Auslander
“We are creatures of our genetics and instincts, pure and simple.”
And also of our environment. For example: an american redneck family can adopt a Korean orphan infant and chances are that infant will grow up to be a redneck, as well.
Environment has a huge influence in how a child developes, especially before age 5.
Define ‘redneck’, please. I’ve seen more than one positive gem come from very poor families and more than one positive waste of oxygen come from ‘upscale’ environments.
Auslander Author Never The Last One http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGCY8KK
Auslander
In that particular example I was not negatively referring to rednecks. The point was that take an infant from one culture and raise the child in a very different culture, the child will most often grow up more resembling the adopted family’s traits than those of the culture they had been born into, provided the child is young enough. The older the child is, before the change of environment, the more influence their original culture will naturally have.
Thank you Auslander.
I was also thinking: something is wrong when the safety of the female citizen depends on how willing the male citizens are to fight to protect the women.
And also, as I understood some are suggesting, that we should not expect men (or women for that matter) to behave respectfully because of the Law, or even human decency, but simply because they are afraid of being beaten up by stronger men.
That kind of “protection” is a sign of a society that is encourages “cave man” behaviour, instead of human decency and good laws (and good “cops”).
@Anonymous 3:37
Very well said.
It’s the culture-wide loss of civility that is really at the root of it all.
Although it is not the focus of this debate, i would add that two other vulnerable groups have suffered from this loss: the elderly and children.
The former are expected to self-euthanize to avoid ‘burdening’ the state, while the latter are commodities to be exploited and, under the A.R.T. agenda, manufactured to bespoke specifications.
It’s the Weimar Republic all over again, but now gone global.
Yes we should go back to our old European ways when we burnt women at the stake for being witches. This women is actually encouraging more lawlessness. All of the economic migrants who are there to make a living have to go home unless it is a war zone. All the Syrian refugees who have actual credentials and not fake ones from Turkey stay. The rest go home. The people who care should band together with the people and march down to NATO headquarters, bases or US embassies and tell them out of Europe out of MENA. End the occupation. WW2 is over GO HOME.
Europe could also say that in future they will accept only UN Convention Refugees who have been vetted by them and go over and vet them again with own immigration. That would be the policy. All others who arrive from now on will have to go home.
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“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because of what God has preferred one with over the other and because of what they spend to support them from their wealth.” [Qur’an : Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 34]
that’s really all there is to it…
Vot tak,
Exactly.
What’s more, the old genetic determinism ideology is largely redundant, though it still persists among ill-informed (most ly in the corporate media and the heavily-politicized AngloAmerican social sciences.)
Currently, Complexity and Chaos theory are the preferred paradigm to investigate how genes ‘express’ in contingent and environmentally-influenced ways.
The Nature/Nurture dynamic is complex and the roles each play cannot be comfortably quantified.
Well… That brought to my mind that old Charles Bronson movie, Death Wish. If the Law enforcement fails, if the Goverment’s seem to be powerless then the law comes to citizens hands… Then you stop being civilized… You become one-man vigilante.
If you are woman, and you are living in Europe; you really need to watch this. Feminized culture will be conquered by a masculine one. IS not the first time it happened. Really you have no point here Anissa, she is absolutely right, femenine men will not fight back, thats why they sold you the gay stuff. If they fight back dressing as woman, so maybe they want to be pnetrated also. What a shameful behaviour!
Hi Saker, this was such a good In The Now…I love the guest, I’ve seen her before on Crosstalk and I was so impressed with her then…
Interesting interview. Thank you.
A few random thoughts. I read mainly European news and blogs. From May until October, there were few reports on refugees and “problems”, except from Austria and the Eastern European countries.
Then, in October, the riots in Hamburg and elsewhere including Lower Saxony where black flagged Jihadists fought the Kurds and the police could not contain the violence happened. That was the turning point. Newspapers which had been silenced by the Politicals of the EU started reporting. We learned that the police had been told to dismiss or not file charges on the refugees. That any posts or speech that could be labeled “hate speech” by officials, including reports of assaults would result in the arrest of the speaker, and an investigation of whether they were a fit parent. That thousands of military age and unaccompanied youth males were missing from the camps, gone, where? No one knew.
A man who tried to help a woman defend herself from rapists on the street was jumped by three thugs who beat almost to death. Their animal behavior at pools and public areas have been caught on CCTV. Recently, a Swedish refugee assistant was stabbed to death. They have broken into transport trucks, tried to steal cars, taken over train stations and every other sort of mayhem. And still the apologists for the “refugees” wax poetic over their “plight” and excuse their behavior blaming the European women, men, children.
Today, headlines in the DWN, read that the EU has determined that 60% of the immigrants flooding Europe are not refugees. What are they then? Have the Jihadists learn the lessons of the NeoCultists well, how to infiltrate, invade and bring civil wars to a stable society.
And Merkel is still calling for open borders. A recipe for disaster.
It’s not just cultural, endrocrinal disruptors in environment, industrial products and even food are a big part and cause of the problem.
I am so left speechless at the way the European men reacted to the attack on the women. They responded to these men who hate “kaffir” women and their whole society by putting on skirts? Europe is in no way equipped to deal with this issue and Erdogan fully knows this and is having his last laugh.
“Men in mini skirts” — eh? …. ever seen a UK airport lounge full of Scotsmen in kilts?
What an annoying interviewer, Iben is right !
As a female I want real men back in our society !