You know the expression, “better a bad peace than a good war“. This surely sounds true and common sense seems to support this. But, as with many slogans, it all depends on the meaning of words.
For one thing, Russia has been at war with the Empire for at least since 2013. You can call that “peace” as opposed to a full-scale convention or nuclear war, but considering the human and material costs of this very real war, I am not so sure that the word “peace” fits.
Next, if we accept that we are already in a costly and ugly war (even if this war is not a full-scale military one), one could reasonably say that “bad” is still preferable to “worse”. But here the assumption is that a transition to an open war would be necessarily worse for Russia. But is that really true?
In economic and political terms, Russia remains weaker than the consolidated West. In military terms, however, it is the opposite (see here for a very good primer on this issue). Would that then not make sense for Russia to move the confrontation into the mode which favors her?
Furthermore, the notion that now is “bad” and that it will get “worse” if Russia is forced to intervene makes another logically flawed assumption: that if Russia does absolutely nothing things will not become “worse” anyway!
Then, we need to define the concept of “good war”. Thousands of volumes have been written about what a “just” war is and even thousands more about what a “good war” might be. This is a complex and even philosophical issue which I don’t want to discuss now, but I do want to point out the ambiguity of the concept.
There is also a practical reason: seems to me that the time has come again for the West to receive the painful smackdown the West gets from Russia about once every century. Clearly the folks in Germany have forgotten WWII. As for the US Americans, 99.99999999% of them don’t know shit about WWII!. Maybe all these loudmouths need a, what shall we call it, maybe a not-so-gentle “reminder”? I would not suggest that if I had ANY hope AT ALL that the Europeans at least remember WWII. Alas, I have no such hopes left.
So what are we left in the case of Russia vs Banderastan?
I submit that what Russia did in 08.08.08 five day war (in reality only three!) was correct. She did the following:
- Comprehensively disarmed Saakashvili’s gangs of thugs in uniform
- Guaranteed the safety of both South Ossetia and Abkhazia
- Did not engage in a long occupation, take Tbilisi (absolutely correct decision!) or impose another ruler
Russia got the job done, and simply left (with a small contingent left in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia)
Now let’s transpose that the Ukronazi controlled Ukraine:
- Comprehensively disarm “Ze’s” gangs of thugs in uniform
- Guarantee the safety of the LDNR
- Not “solve” the Ukrainian crisis for the Ukrainians (that is their job, not Russia’s)
Seems to me rather reasonable. And, besides, just like Georgia, the Ukronazi Ukraine will not recover from that “minimal response” for many years. In fact, I believe that only by defanging the Ukronazis would guarantee the collapse of Banderastan into several successor states.
There are, of course, major differences between Georgia on 08.07.08 and today’s Ukraine, both quantitative and qualitative. Just one example: the Ukies could attack Russia proper (I said “attack” – I did NOT say “prevail”!) something which Saakashvili could not do. Still, the fundamental sequence disarm->protect->withdraw is, in my opinion, one worth considering as “good” a war as can be, especially since the “peaceful alternative” might turn out much worse.
So what do you think? Should Russia repeat the 08.08.08 scenario if the Ukronazis attack?
The Saker
PS: bonus question: check out these two news items:
- Russia is transferring 10 amphibious and artillery ships of Caspian Flotilla to the Black Sea Fleet.
- US Mulls Sending Warships Into Black Sea To Be “Ready To Respond” To Ukraine Crisis.
Question: can you find a logical military rationale for either move and, if yes, which one?
Just a thought:
It could be Ze is afraid Ukraine will turn into a “forgotten” black hole.
Perhaps one of the motivations is for Ze to create just enough tensions with Russia to draw international attention to the upcoming “Crimean Platform” in August and “cash” in on Western Russophobia. Uraine might be trying to attract international investments by heightening tensions with Russia without really going to war (yeah i know, it sounds weird).
This is a risky tactic if true, miscalculations on all sides (Ukraine, Nato, Russia) might happen.
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Crimean Platform.
“This will include investments in:
social infrastructure (developing medical facilities, administrative services, housing for IDPs);
cultural and education needs;
tourism infrastructure;
transport infrastructure;
projects to foster green economy”
Source: http://www.aalep.eu/crimean-platform-wishful-thinking
“Crimean Platform to Keep Occupation of Crimea in Focus of Constant International Attention”
Source: https://mfa.gov.ua/en/news/crimean-platform-keep-occupation-crimea-focus-constant-international-attention-emine-dzhaparova
Erdogan after meeting Ze: Turkey supports the Crimean Platform.
My `point is that the dollar financial crash is inminent. What if the Donbass operation is synchronised with an epic financial collapse and blame Russia for that? The anglozionist empire is all about threat, blackmail, lies, and plausible deniability. They desperately need time to unfold their new digital currencies and whole mass control programs of which cv-19 biological war operation was the first step. This is going to be a landslide and the touchline is going to be moved and must be moved. To what extent? I don’t think that Russia or China particularly want a total collapse of the west. Quite the opposite. Odd as it sounds, I think both are kind of protecting the west from itself. I also have the feeling that we are going to see major changes inside the Ucranian state. So, both an Ucranian state refoundation under multicultural rule or an extension to the Donbass republics to the Dnipr line will be a good outcome for both Russia and the empire. The former will stabilize that front for some years ahead, and the empire will be able to keep using Russia as an scape goat for its evil plans. And Russia will be fine with that since their priority is to focus on Eurasian Belt and Road development.
The Chief of the General Staff in Ukraine has made a well-publicized statement in the West that there will be “no offensive against Russia-backed separatists. Most people I know are pointing to this as more proof that I am quite mistaken in my belief that the UAF is about to launch another war.
Actions speak louder than words, so I will believe the UAF when it withdraws its forces from the areas around the Donbass and Crimea. I tend to think this is just more propaganda to “prove” that when the war starts, it will be the result of “Russian aggression”.
Or am I mistaken?
According to Tass:
https://tass.com/world/1276409
“The village of Oktyabr in the south of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) came under mortar shelling by Ukrainian troops, the Donetsk News Agency reported on Saturday, citing the DPR’s mission to the Joint Ceasefire Control and Coordination Center.
The shelling attack from the Ukraine-controlled village of Pishchevik occurred at 14:20 local time. Three mines of the 82mm caliber were fired…………..”
Proof its all a PR stunt for the MSM – they have carried on their shelling.
https://tass.com/world/1276437
In addition Ze is in Turkey where Erdogan states again that he doesn’t accept the “annexation of Crimea” and supports the Crimean platform:
and
https://tass.com/world/1276443
“Ukraine’s and Turkey’s views on security threats in the Black Sea region and response options are identical, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said on Saturday after talks with his Turkish counterpart, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in Istanbul.
“We thoroughly discussed the issue of security and joint response to threats in the Black Sea region. I would like to note that Kiev’s vision and Ankara’s visions about the threats and about the ways of responding to these threats are identical,” he told a news conference broadcast on the presidential office’s Facebook account.
Zelensky stressed that Turkey’s support on issues of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity was very important for his country……”
Am I the only one that sees this current situation and is instantly reminded of The Ruin (Ruyína) of 1659 to 1686 and the Treaty of Perpetual Peace of 1686?
It is interesting that history does seem to follow patterns. Perhaps, geography itself has a role in conflict.
No, Russia wins more by continued stalemate than by war.
Ukraine is growing ever less functional. Making the Maidan coup lose prestige all the time. Making “friendly to Russia” alternative gain prestige.
Russia and its calm and friendly economic interaction with for example Germany is ever a centrifugal force on the Empire.
If Russia won a war the Empire would use its full spectrum dominance in western media to paint whatever picture they want. It is better that the wounds caused by the misrule of the empire to its own subjucts in Europe be left to fester. Next economic crisis it might break. Or a number of other things, like USA overcomitting to war with Iran or some such. Stalemate weakens the morale and power and cohesion of the empire.
NATO: an outdated and ineffective colony of Pansies.
I wonder if you Saker can elaborate on what’s going on within The Ukraine, internally. Are most Ukranians Ukonazis or are there still some sort of respect or bond towards Russia and Russians.
That view would provide the simples like us, a better understanding of what is going on in that country other than the international mainstream point of view.
Txs