By Amarynth for the Saker Blog
Let me first give the links to the debate in question (and this is a sitrep, so it is more freewheeling than a serious article for the Saker blog).
We’ve been talking about Ritter’s 180 swing in his coverage on both the SMO-404 and the Russian capabilities.
This article, titled “Ukraine War Has No End in Sight” gives the Ritter view post his 180: https://www.energyintel.com/00000180-d669-d410-aba9-f66dbd120000 and there were three prior videos where this view developed. But this written form is good enough.
Andrei Martynov weighed in and Larry Johnson weighed in on various occasions and on a professional basis. Gonzalo Lira weighed in his casual style. On the Saker Blog, I weighed in during discussions and even analyzed a few paragraphs of Ritter’s article.
Even Pepe Escobar had to retract a quasi ‘Ritter sentence’ that he used. This was his short and creative retraction. “Martyanov is right on Western Ukraine. I should have emphasized the conditionalities – as it stands a 404 “New Model Army” is American wishful thinking.”
All of these people (including myself) were 180 opposite to Ritter’s view and I for one asked for evidence of this New Scary NATO army because clearly, Wunderwaffe came to mind.
Yet, there is no discussion and Ritter did it again. This time in an interview with Sputnik here:
Both Andrei Martyanov as well as Larry Johnson weighed in again.
Before I quote from their work, let’s try to answer the question of Why? Why are we responding to Ritter in this manner? I will give you only my personal perception. I view Ritter’s 180 as pushing NATO talking points and even spreading Ukrainian manure. He assumes a static position from Russia. After his 180, his tone changed and he presents NATO as the All Powerful and backed by the US Money Machine and Weapons Machine, as Invincible. He creates new armies out of thin air, and professes knowledge of the Russian thinking and possible future actions which he cannot possibly know. We can then discuss whether this is pure deception of his mainly western audience, or purely disingenuous, or a project based on a think-tank or something. I hope it is none of those, and that he will enter into discussion and debate with his peers. (Note Johnson’s article quoted later in this report). If not, we have to question his whole basis for pumping American Wishful Thinking, as well as the substance of his presentation.
I’ll go back to an older quote from Martyanov: “That is why when I hear that some piece of metal and a pile of increasingly diminishing US Dollars are going to make any real tactical, operational, let alone strategic difference in 404, other than being blown up or taken as trophies, I smile. Even LDNR people today complain (in Russian) that most of the US equipment when even not-expired and up to date, often doesn’t work and breaks down. I know, for true American patriot such as Scott it is difficult to accept this fact but in the last 20 years it goes without saying that institutional rot completely engulfed America’s strategic and operational thought and, and I wrote three books on that, US increasingly produced weapons which like Javelins or Littoral Combat Ships, or F-35 or Patriot PAC 3s are not really suited for a serious war against competent enemy who, in addition, like Russia, has all means to see the enemy and destroy it.” http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/05/on-my-brief-response-to-scott-ritter.html
Let’s go to Larry Johnson’s latest titled: Debating Scott Ritter.
He deals with the new funding, western weapons supply, training and intelligence sharing. And he posts a video of Gonzalo Lira, who in his casual format understands these matters. Here are some points but read the whole article:
- Money may make the world go around but it does not magically produce trained, enthusiastic troops willing and capable of using such weapons.
- Ukraine’s problem right now is not a lack of equipment. They had combat aircraft, helicopters, tanks, artillery and drones. Russia destroyed a significant amount of that materiel and killed the soldiers and pilots who were trained to operate those systems.
- Scott Ritter sees the training of Ukrainian troops in Poland and Germany as a critical variable that could really hurt the Russians. Training reinforcements on new technology might be a potential game-changer if the situation on the ground in Ukraine was static. It is not.
- Scott also asserts that intelligence sharing gives the Ukrainians an edge. When you provide intelligence on Russian troop movements, locations or plans, there is an assumption that the recipients of that intelligence will be able to do something to hurt the Russians. How did that work out in Mariupol? How about fending off the Russian missile attack in Desna. In my view, sharing intelligence with Ukraine is an effort in futility. Am empty gesture that will not change anything on the ground.
How to actually understand this Hot Potato?, and it is an important one. The Ukraine SMO is only but a small representation of what Russia means by stopping the growth of NATO, indivisibility of security, the security balance in Europe, and most important, military-technical measures. And then, one has to bring into the calculus that China is solid behind Russia in the thinking, and further, that the US pre-amble to actual kinetic action in the Ukraine, is now being duplicated around China. The dead give-away is that SHOULD in Biden’s sentence. Remember the many ‘ifs’ and ‘shoulds’ that we saw in the runup to Russia entering the Ukraine. “President Joe Biden said Washington could be directly involved in conflict should China try to take the island by force.” They are again trying to project and create a condition that is not necessarily there.
And this is the tone change in Ritter’s work. He is projecting a condition that is not necessarily existent and presents it as fact.
We have to understand that NATO is now being presented as the ultimate force projection by the small collective west. Those familiar with Martyanov’s work understand that this is but a paper tiger and the boogyman (although with destructive ability) under the bed. This is a projection and the small collective west only has a boogyman left to threaten the world.
Here is another such projection, this time with a clown: Klaus Schwab has just introduced President Zelensky of Ukraine to the World Economic Forum in Davos with a glowing tribute saying that all of Europe and the international order stands with him.
Lira’s view is important here, albeit not professional. He asks the question, Why is it Absurd that the Ukraine is standing up a million man new army? (Short, 7 minutes or so).
For comments, I remind you, that this is not a personality contest. As Johnson says – it is a substantive matter. So commentators, please be reasonable and kind, and don’t tell us who you like most. At least present knowledge of the substance of this matter. From the commentariat, let’s keep this one closely focused on the topic.
There is a bigger picture here. From here and there in Europe, we see that everyone is now desperately scrambling for a peace plan. A contributor sent me this one from Italy titled Now, Italy begins backtracking on its promises and extending an olive branch toward Russia. https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/05/22/now-italy-begins-backtracking-on-its-promises-and-extending-an-olive-branch-toward-russia/
I smiled, on two accounts. This peace plan is Minsk redux!
And secondly, why this reach for a peace plan now? Besides worrying about economics and gas and oil, it is another containment of Russia. They all know Russia will win in the Ukraine, the way Russia perceives it, handsomely. So, everyone desperately wants to devise new conditions, because the fear is that Russia will not stop. So, they want to devise peace now, and send Russia back to Russia. The news is that we are in a world-changing epoch, and Russia will not stop but take her full part in this world-changing epoch, preferably peacefully, but if not, military-technical.
Isn’t this just like a game of chess where two world champions play and all those who are watching are playing along but don’t really understand what those two are up to? Sure some play chess too, but they are not world champions. I have a feeling which player will be the new world champion. Probably the one with the best track record of generations of excellent chess players.
I have no doubt that military forces of the Russian federation are acting with competence and patriotic zeal to demilitarize ukronazis. Fine.
Yet I fear that some of the US backed wunderwaffen such as the switchblade drones, Starlink constellation or real time plot fusion intelligence sharing are actual game changers. Not to forget that the West backs Ukraine with the world’s most powerfull propaganda tools, allowing Ukraine to field volunteers for use of their western supplied weapons.
But I have a deeper fear. I have Polish family. I saw the Polish president make a anti-Russian war speech in front of the Rada (the ukie parliament). And I am fearfull that, should the situation escalate, or should Russia suffer heavy losses, a preemptive nuclear strike on Poland would be Russia’s best option into reminding NATO the true cost of attacking Russia. How likely do you think this nightmare scenario is ?
Very unlikely. Lavrov has said nukes will not be used against Ukraine, and Russia led Jan 2022 effort at UN to declare “Nuke war cannot be won and must not be fought”.
However, “Russia will use nukes” noise seems to be possible prep for a potential nuke false flag.
Also, likely Russia will eventually use conventional hypersonics to take out US nuke missiles based on Poland, Romania, if they are not quietly removed first. America did not tolerate nukes in Cuba. Russia will not tolerate nukes in Poland. Quietly removing these would stop America from being dragged into WWIII, and keep the conflict only regional, a win for America.
So as long as your family’s not by a US base, they should be safe. Until Poland enters the war.
It must be clear that if the Poles make the stupid move, Russians won’t show the same restraint as they show to Ukrainian population. ‘Silence will reign again in Warsaw’. If not ‘Finis Poloniae’. It happened several times in the past. God forbid that Poles would repeat their past mistakes.
The problem with NATO equipment is simple. NATO wars are elective, ie they pick on weak pponents who cannot fight back so weapon efficacy does not matter. Just deliver more. This leads on to weapons being designed for profit rather than efficacy. If the efficacy is only 50% (eg Tomahawks since day 1) then twice the number are needed to do the job. That doubles the profits. As the opponents usually cannot seriously harm NATO forces there is no issue if two sorties have to be flown rather than one.
This approach stems from the reserve currency nature of the USD. The US controls the printing of it and the world needs (or needed) it for energy purchases. The US thus effectively lives off the back of productive labor in the rest of the world, just as the British did during their Empire (and the Romans in theirs).
Russia on the other hand knows its opponents usually are nominal peers, or proxies of nominal peers, and wars are forced on it not a matter of choice. Its weapons therefore have to be cheap and effective. It also does not waste effort on going for gee-whiz photogenic (good for PR) weapons (although form follows function automatically with the Sukhois etc).
Personally, I see the trophies as more valuable in an R&D setting rather than being used on the front lines – carefully selected PR events aside. Russia could possibly learn things from them, if only to verify and improve defenses against them.
Their new shiny laser antimissiles weapon might be one of these PR things. Read it’s pretty effective, but I doubt they have more than a few of them.
After reading Scott I am struck by the question of whether the West is waging a Matrix war against Russia.
MATRIX USA-West, with sky-high public office as a judge of the Supreme Court, representatives and senators who can not define (Biden included) that she is a woman !!! This leadership of this kind can fight Russia? US military strategies against Russia-NATO can not be valid if they are made by idiots and that’s why Scott is lost? or we fight against something even more evil and worse than we know?
To think Scott Ritter’s change is a change is to not know him, He claims to be a “former” US” Marine officer. The USA is the only country I know of that produces so many of these “former” military officers, former” intelligence officers who worked for years for the US war machine, then all suddenly have an apparent change of heart and begin telling all or critiquing their “former” bosses, on mass media sites and independent media all over the place. No other country produces such people who turn on their former commanders in public, It makes one wonder what their real role is and with Ritter it has been clear since the Iraq War that he is still an agent. He did not condemn the Iraq War, just claimed it was a mistake since Iraq had no WMD, meaning that if the had then the invasion of Iraq would have been fine with him. His position on Iran is similar. So are we suprised thar in this war he first sucks people into watching his rants supporting Russia, giving him credibility, then, wham, he turns the tables and completes his mission as US propagandist by now telling everyone the US is going to win. It is clear what he is.
terrific point christopher black. thank you for posting it.
You know what Christopher Black – you just nailed it, bang on. You said in a sentence what took me nearly three paragraphs to get across. Fair play.
I dismissed the thought because I expected him to have been framed considering his judicial past, but now that you’re mentioning it the situation seems fairly similar to all these “former” CIA agent that constantly intrude in the medias to give their opinion on everything. I have to admit it as a possibility, although I’m too lazy to check extensively his bio to assess how likely it is.
Let me start with a quote from the movie “World War Z” where high-ranking Mossad official is explaining to the main character the concept of “The tenth man”:
“In the ’30s, Jews refused to believe they could be sent to concentration camps. In ’72, we refused to fathom we’d be massacred in the Olympics. In the month before October 1973 we saw Arab troop movements, and we unanimously agreed that they didn’t pose a threat. Well, a month later, the Arab attack almost drove us into the sea. So, we decided to make a change. If nine of us with the same information arrived at the exact same conclusion, it’s the duty of the tenth man to disagree. No matter how improbable it may seem, the tenth man has to start thinking with the assumption that the other nine were wrong”
Scott Ritter is in my opinion playing the role of that tenth man here, the devil’s advocate if you like, and he’s reminding us that it’s just deadly stupid to underestimate the empire and its abilities to continue hurting Russia.
Maybe it’s time for Putin to pass the torch to Dmitri Medvedev and go enjoying very well deserved pension. He has made Russia truly great again, but it seams that old guard like Lavrov, Shoigu and Putin himself should be making space for Medvedev, Zakharova, and even maybe Ramzan Kadyrov as a minister of defense, to bring in the new energy so to speak and to ensure the continuity of the leadership for many years to come. It is not that I doubt the ability of the old guard, it’s something more of contingency planning. Succession under unfavorable conditions of any of the Russia’s key leaders would prove to be very costly and dangerous.
Russia wanted to act diplomatically for 8 years, probably longer.
I think now that the Russian Maschine is on its way, it will not stop until whole Ukrain is under Russian control, and if Poland trys something, they will become a target too.
Russia tried to negotioate in the beginnig of the war, they probably will try it again, but I guess that most of the Russian leadership thinks that any further negotiation is a futile endevor.
Idk why people think Ritter is making 180 turn. He is just concerned about political outcome of this war, nothing more. NO one knows for sure what is the ultimate goal of the whole thing but we can read the general picture which is quite obvious. Russia safety. So simple. If this is going to be achieved this year or maybe 5 years from now, who knows.
The combined West and Europe are currently unloading every piece of military junk they can find, to be replaced with what exactly? In reality, the West has no idea what military stockpiles Russia has, plus the fact that the best Russia has not even been brought into play yet.
If You think about it, natoistan has just found a way to modernize and re-invigorate it`s armed forces – and make ukraine pay for it…
We have witnessed the shock of Western implicit denial of the Russian people’s great sacrifices in WWII, repudiation of that enormous holocaust while upholding suppression of antisemitism, denial of Neo-Nazi violence and hatred against ethnic Russians in Ukraine, journalistic malpractice and fraud, economic mob tactics, and cultural prejudice beyond all reason intended to isolate and denigrate Russia. This shameful delusion led by the Western elite’s political minions and executed by the institutions under their control only serves to accelerate the decline of the Western Empire.
Russia’s current military actions against Ukraine are the “tip of the iceberg” of what can only be perceived as an epic struggle to purge these evil motivations from the European landscape, in a comprehensive way that somehow was not accomplished in the Great War. Most Western observers do not understand the historical context and don’t comprehend how powerful is the Russian collective determination to prevail in this existential crisis.
I feel a tad disappointed in the discussion here. I’ve certainly not learnt anything new about the outcome of the war. The aptly named “Wobblie” makes the point that “strategically the SMO has clearly failed in its objectives of removing NATO forces from the borders of Russia”. After three months, an offensive “fails”!! Anyway, when did Russia ever say this was their objective? None of us know what it is, but we can be sure they are fluid and will become more ambitious the longer this war goes on. As for Scott Ritter (who has always struck me as overrated, not least by himself), whatever the reasons for his volte face, it doesn’t take much military nouse to see that the idea of any major Ukrainian summer or autumn counter-offensive, is about as far fetched as the idea that you can bring down massive skyscrapers with aircraft fuel. But believe it if you wish. I am old enough to remember the sudden collapse of the American-armed and trained South Vietnamese army as soon as the Americans said they were off home, with the last of them fleeing in helicopters. Then, more recently the American-trained and armed Iraqi army quickly disintegrated, as did the Afghan – again amidst a panicky last minute evacuation by western forces. Looking at most of NATO’s present top brass, I recall the old British joke about the Guards officer who was so stupid that his fellow officers realised it. I would not put anything past the morons in charge of my own country at the moment. but it’s pretty clear that no one else (except maybe the Poles), are stupid enough to put their own boots on the ground. No – so far as NATO is concerned – this war is going to won ulimately on the economic front. The European regimes in particular are by now painfully aware that their ill-thought out “sanctions” are hurting their own citizens far more than Russia, while Russia itself has hardly yet begun to retaliate. This
I understand your point. However consider that as soon as Russia intervened the whole Western mob would shreiked invasion and it is possible Zelensky could have immediately invited the US/NATO to move in behind as in Croatia. If the Russians attacked as they were expected to do through Donbass, all the Ukies had to do is to retreat to their massive prepared defences but with NATO in the country.
What happened was that Russia achieved tactical surprise and blocked any quick US/NATO intervention, blockaded the coast and closed down the airspace. The planned air exclusion zone was never allowed to happen. That is my reading of it all.
It’s only necessary for the UN to declare a no-fly and no missile zone over Ukraine. Russia would never violate a rule imposed by the UN. Then, the US and NATO could move in howitzers at their leisure without fear of them being destroyed. The border of Poland could move forward as the NATO firing line advanced. Eventually Russia would be pushed back and out.
Meanwhile in Ukraine – Russia continues to kick ass!
https://voenhronika.ru/
FIRE FROM ALL GUNS: The assault on Liman has begun! “Svetlodarsk arc” fell down! Latest reports – Ukraine noon on May 23 (18 videos)
Local sources report the beginning of the assault on Liman by units of the RF Armed Forces. According to residents, fighting is already underway on the northern outskirts of the village.
The defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Svetlodarsk crumbled. Units of the allied forces occupied the settlement of Mironovskoye, approaching from Troitsky. At the forefront of the advancing forces were the Wagner PMC assault groups. Control over the settlement is also confirmed by the withdrawal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the fields southeast of Svetlodarsk: locals hang out Russian flags and wait for the approach of the allied forces.
Unlike the Severodonetsk-Lysichansk agglomeration, media attention to Svetlodarsk is not riveted, so the Ukrainian units were able to safely escape.
I must say that the prospect of raising and training a million-man Ukrainian army, given the markedly negative response of the mass of service age Ukrainians to repeated call-ups since 2014, seems chimerical.In part, this unwillingness to serve was long masked by the massive outflow of working-age Ukrainians in search of work outside of the country. Jacques Baud, the Swiss military and intelligence official who was directly involved in the initial effort toi rebuild the Ukrainian army after Debaltsevo, suggests that the wholesale incorporation of the nationalist and far-right volunteer units (together with foreign mercenaries) into the national guard and field units was direct result of the reluctance of the mass of service eligible Ukrainians to show up for induction. https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/
I also recall hearing that the Verkhovnaya Rada has passed a law providing for 10-15 year prison terms for no-shows.
I have never had personally anything against Scott Ritter. I did appreciated his analysis in late 2002 why Bush Iraq intervention in longer runs would be failure, just as it was.
When it comes to SMO Ritter was thingking it was 1 month maximum 2 months Blitzkrieg. And when it never was he likely made his 180 degree turn. SMO was never planned to be Blitzkrieg.
The Blitzkrieg myth is fooling too many people not understanding the nature of land warfare as mostly very slow process until the breakpoint. Some of you might remember spring of Vietnam 1975. After more than 10 years fierce fighting suddely during just few weeks the ARNV suddenly collapsed completely. What most people forget is the huge influence or energy crisis (oil prices fastly rose in new higher level) from late 1973 to 1976. It had devastating blow effect to Saigon regime and that even surprised Hanoi regime too.
In same way we can’t understand SMO without understanding the effect of oil, gas, energy generally, dollar reserve currency hegemony threatened and ruble-yuan as rising reserve currencies. Nor should we not ignore the rise of India as “new” (old) big power. Its economy is now bigger than Japan and Germany together. According British study India will pass USA as second largest economy in 2040. After focusing these facts it’s easier to understand the looming demise of Europe as power house. It has poor demographic. It can’t compete (with Asia) and it is lacking stragetic critical resources. And even more shocking: its science is going down. Many of these weaknesses are fooled by several European utopia, from multiculturalism as new religion to global warming hysteria. March of Folly is quite perfect discription of Europe of our era.
Thanks for Sitrep,
One thing is for sure but a;so which most western-based analysts seem to ignore is this slow yet steady loss of faith of all Ukrainians military or civilians, in their western sponsors. Yesterday, a reporter from the Iranian national news channel – who’s in Kiev right now – said that he had interviewed many people across Ukraine and most expressed annoyance with the US and Co. exploiting Ukrainians as low level foot soldiers in their war with Russia. It’s evident that a whole lot of Ukrainian soldiers who’ve lost their initial zeal, may soon switch sides and turn their guns at the pianist puppet president Zelinski and the rest of those NATO backed thugs that want to see this once economic powerhouse in E. Europe, totally destroyed.
TFI global is an indian company. Islomophobia is s deep undercurrent in its reporting. Publishing libel against muslims is in its DNA.
Just wanted to let you know.
Sometimes the simplest explanations are the right ones, or at least indicate what factors might be at play.
To “do a 180”, an “about-face”, reverse one’s previously strongly-held and persuasively argued position.
What can persuade a person to do this?
1) Bribery: for the amoral and/or person motivated primarily by money, or whatever the bribe is (wealth/power)
2) Blackmail: for a basically moral person, and/or when bribery fails
3) Entrapment: basically a subset of (2), but deserves special mention as used so often by the likes of the FBI.
4) Direct Threats: to health and physical safety of a person (i.e., no carrot, only stick)
5) New (Material) Information: new inputs leading to new outputs/conclusions
Ritter has been right many times. He might not always be right but who is? Not even me.
So who knows what’s happening in, with, Russia? They say this and that. How would they know if Putin’s in bad health? Short on missiles? I think some people are grasping at straws trying to save a situation rapidly going south.
Russia has a lot of clubs. The biggest is they have more of what the world needs than any other country. If we don’t want it, somebody else will buy it.
If Russia breaks a club in Ukraine, it just grabs another one and continues the beating. If Germans have to burn furniture to keep warm why would Russians care? They might even turn the thermostat up a bit, smile and remember the past. Germans have plenty of lignite so all’s not lost. Meanwhile the price of gasoline in L.A. is 7 bucks.
A million man Ukrainian army? Sounds almost as huge a myth as 6mil. jews.
Key sentence: “The Ukraine SMO is only but a small representation of what Russia means by stopping the growth of NATO, indivisibility of security, the security balance in Europe, and most important, military-technical measures. And then, one has to bring into the calculus that China is solid behind Russia”.
I have great respect for Ritter, the man who sacrificed his career as UN Weapons Inspector by declaring that he, Ritter, had done his job properly, and Saddam had no WMD. Also I thought at first that Ritter was anticipating Russia’s struggle for indivisible security, as in Amarynth’s says above, which is certainly lot bigger than Ukraine alone.
However, it is possible that Ritter being a Yank is hypnotized by his childhood memories of a great “Coalition of the Killing” with the U$A and other NATZO countries ganging up on some little country that has no allies (as in Serbia, Iraq or Libya). I heard a well known Yankee strategist give a really impressive account of why Russia hasn’t a hope against the EU$A: Russia has a relatively small population compared to the EU$A. Russian is aging, too old to renew its population; the few that are young enough to be conscripted into the SMA are either diseased or junkies, and all of the Russians, old or young, are drunk. Educated Russians have already fled to the West, even more since February. The country has spent all its money on a few good weapons but these won’t make any difference in a fair fight against NATZO. The only thing stopping NATZO from fighting Russia right now is that Russia, being small and weak, might pull the Sampson Option. “This is really scary”. Which is why NATZO is proceeding so cautiously toward an assured victory.
One thing that Amarynth mentions above, which analysts in the EU$A rarely take on board mentally, is that NATZO cannot choose to fight only Russia — it has chosen to fight China as well, also Iran and a host of small to medium size countries who have scores to settle with the EU$A Empire of Chaos.
The United States government is especially good at one thing: buying expensive weapons, not necessarily good weapons, from private companies in its technological-military complex using the money of the American people, but preferably of other peoples. Training, reinforcing, updating are terms that only mean more purchases of weapons charged to someone. The US, from Vietnam to Afghanistan, has left a trail of failed regimes with trained and equipped armies that have crumbled at the first breath. The simple and grotesque corruption is what keeps united the providers, receivers and facilitators of this so well-known choreography. Will training what remains of the Ukrainian army in Poland make a difference? Not for Ukraine, but for American companies yes. Later they will want to burn Poland and Romania to sell more weapons, transferring important portions of the European economy to the US. This will only stop when the peoples of Europe rise up and oust the corrupt from their governments, which can happen very quickly as the economic situation worsens. NO, Scott Ritter, nothing can change the course of the SMO in Ukraine, but YES it is in the US plan to keep the flame of war in Europe for the benefit not of its people but of its military-industrial complex.
Maybe I am missing something, but I do not see a 180 from Scott.
I see new information. I see that NATO and everyone else want to get involved in the war more openly than anyone thought was possible at the beginning.
The “gamechanger” as far as I can see is better-trained soldiers, because they can be trained with less pressure on them in other countries. They do not have to worry that Russia will do a strike on the training grounds again. That does not mean Ukraine can win. It just means you have fewer green idiots with better knowledge of their weapons.
The situation is changing and Scott is adapting his analysis. If he didn’t take new information into account I would have been worried.
Personally, I think the new agreement between Zelenski and Poland is just a way to say that Russia is now fighting against Poland, so NATO has an open door to get fully involved on military level.
It’s just grandposturing, no one wants to get involved in this war except Poland. You give too much credits to western politicians endless talks. When nations go to war they don’t claim it beforehand, they send their army. That’s what Putin did. You never announce you’re entering a conflict in advance, since it gives the opportunity for the opposing side to cripple your preparations. Also you don’t take into account how much western Europe is dependant on Russian energy. If Europe enters the war, Russia will stop selling them gas and oil, and then everything will go to hell for Europe. Politics in the western world is a complete farce, circus for the masses.
As the Ukrainians themselves say: NATO = No Action Talk Only
Ritter’s newest piece in Sputnik
https://sputniknews.com/20220522/us-military-expert-russia-to-score-major-victories-in-donbass-must-adapt-to-new-nato-game-1095703665.html
Nothing too crazy in that. The US and NATO are committing to a longer fight. Russia better be prepared for it too.
I have followed Ritter, Saker, MoonofAlabama, Lira, Escobar from near the beginning of the war. I like them all. No need to personally attack Ritter or believe he has been compromised for simply having a different opinion.
Larchmonter445: writes
Two Polish Battalions have entered the war zone.
A couple of days ago, it became known about the arrival of two Polish battalions in the Pavlograd area of the Dnipropetrovsk region, equipped with Rapira anti-tank guns, armored personnel carriers and American armored cars.
https://t.me/epoddubny/10844
If you look at Putin’s objectives through military eyes, you cannot escape the fact that Ritter is on to something when he says there is no “off ramp” for Putin.
Here are Putins words from his February 24 speech:
“The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine…”
There is no way in hell Putin is going to “demilitarize” a certain part of the Ukraine, say the Donbas, and then go home.
For the simple reason the remaining part of the Ukraine which Putin leaves behind is going to pick up the pieces and start the fight all over again.
Putin, obviously, knows that.
So what, then, as Ritter puts it, is Putin’s “off-ramp?”
It’s not, apparently, going to be a military off ramp. In which case, that leaves the political off-ramp.
Given a partitioned Ukraine, what, in Putin’s mind does a political off-ramp look like?
A clue to that answer might be found in how this battle is being fought. Putin is going to great lengths to protect the innocent civilians, the victims, caught up in the fight.
Larch has written a telling POV regarding Ritter, well worth reading.
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/05/larry-wrote-excellent-counter-argument.html#comment-5865734373
key takeaways: “[1] What he demonstrates now is a pathetic show of his core military background. [2] He cannot accept that the US and NATO are going to get destroyed in Ukraine.”
I respected and enjoyed Ritter’s frank yet informed and to-the-point observations. But we cannot fight against our own psychology. Maybe no knuckle-draggers visited him at all to achieve the change. It must be extremely shocking and distressing for him to realize that (1) war has moved onto a dimension beyond his ken and training, and (2) the west is being left far behind in the dust. This reality is dawning on all layers of the west..
My question to Ritter would be once Russia and allies destroy the Ukrainian army in Eastern Ukraine, and stop right there, will the Ukrainian people have the numbers of men, and more importantly, the will to fight. While the West may have infinite resources to supply the weapons, do the Ukrainian people have the infinite will to offer up their sons, brothers, fathers, grandfathers, nephews, uncles, and husbands to the grinder of the war. Will the Ukrainian people realize that the West was not joking with the phrase that they will fight Russia down to last Ukrainian.
I don’t think the sitrep here accurately summarizes Ritter’s current position. He’s not denying that Russia is winning decisively on the battlefield. He’s just saying Russia’s long term strategic ends: a demilitarized and de-Nazified Ukraine (all of of Ukraine), indivisible security, a NATO rollback seem to be further away now, not closer.
That said, I think he’s not giving enough importance to two factors: 1) the ability of Kiev to recruit new soldiers, when they keep getting killed; and 2) the economic damage coming in the West, and the concomitant effects on the politics there.
Ritter is pretty clear about what he means. He’s looking at what he calls “small arrows:” howitzers, APCs, MANPADs, and everything else arriving to the front, inflicting damage, and prolonging the Ukrainian defense. Yes, most of that stuff doesn’t arrive, some will fail/get damaged. But then, some of the equipment IS out there and working. Ritter started from a position that “Russia will destroy everything before it gets to the front and even if gets there it will break down.” I’m paraphrasing. But that was an unrealistic absolutist position. It should be obvious that Russia can’t interdict everything. Now that he’s seeing what is going on, he’s modifying his view and becoming more realistic. It’s not a 180 at all. These weapons won’t change the outcome but it will change the nature of the game as he says, because now Russians will have to deal with better equipped and better trained Ukrainian units.
More importantly, he’s trying to provoke a reaction in Moscow. “Russia can’t keep fighting with 200000 men.” His position always was that Russia will win decisively, but being undermanned makes it less decisive in a way. By the way, that sentiment is echoed by Russian soldiers on the front, who on Telegram channels call their force a “peacekeeping-size force.” It’s also the position of Paul Craig Roberts, who also is also trying to get Moscow to act much more strongly. That doesn’t make Ritter some NATO operative at all.
Martyanov looks at…not even big arrows, he’s looking at “tactical operational” stuff which is a different level altogether. While Escobar looks at things from a Eurasian political-economical perspective. He makes Ritter’s mistake to some extent in so far as he doesn’t take into account that the US is an effective geopolitical actor. In the face of a possible weakening or collapse of the dollar the US will respond and things may not turn out as Escobar assumes.
You can’t really compare these perspectives. All of them contribute something to the picture. None of them on their own offer a complete or accurate picture of what is going at any given point.
I’ll try to be as kind as possible here. Lira has nothing substantive or serious to contribute to an understanding of the SMO; he’s no authority or expert in any relevant matter, he’s not even a “journalist reporting from Kharkov,” he’s, as expected, trying to cause some clickbaity feud with Ritter. Frankly, I don’t understand why his videos get promoted here on The Saker.
In the end, the mistake was on our part, to take Ritter’s (or Martynanov’s, Johnson’s, or Escobar’s for that matter) mostly informed opinions as the truth and then we were shocked when he does the reasonable thing and modifies his assessment based on the reality on the ground and many are overreacting for no reason.
War is an uncertain business but the way Russia has gone about things makes the attainment of its objectives as the most likely result.
It is obvious that the Russians have thought all this out and in my view come to the conclusion that they had no choice but to act now and in the way they did.
This short article is not without interest – https://frenchdailynews.com/society/geopolitics/4746-ukraine-the-hazards-of-war
There is however one big change that has to a great extent limited Putin’s options and that is the barbaric behaviour of some Ukrainians to prisoners of war and civilians. We know there was a massacre at Bucha but not as claimed by the MSM but by the Ukrainians against pro Russians. It is a continuation of eight years of the same but it has caused a change in attitude amongst Russians both soldiers and civiilians, namely that after what happened to civilians at Bucha Russia cannot abandon civilians to the brutality of the Ukrainian secret police and neo fascists. That means that they will not be able to trade territory at a peace conference as perhaps they might have done. It means that they will have to take Karkhov and most definitely Odessa. Note that the change in war aims to include occupying the whole Black Sea coast came in April after Bucha. Public opinion will accept nothing less.
Re. Gonzalo Lira.
Last I knew Lira was under house arrest by Ukrainian authorities and held incommunicado. All of a sudden he returns with a NEW account on Twitter and a name change on Telegram without ANY INFORMATION WHATSOEVER being supplied about his having been freed. On twitter whoever owns the account claims he reopened a new one because his old one had been”compromised’, and that makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER considering even IF his password was found out and his account used by other parties (it has not) twitter would return the account to him and he’d simply change passwords then remove any tweets no by himself. Meanwhile his old account is still on twitter, lying fallow, unused.
I HAVE TO assume Lira is still under house arrest and whoever owns @GonzaloLira1968 on twitter is a fake.
If anyone can supply information to the contrary, please do.
Most people here seem to find Lira wholly reliable and even brilliant.
I can say that the guy now Italian Foreign Minister was selling beverage cans at the stadium before being a politician, he is a totally clueless puppet. His claims are just pathetic, because it demonstrates the level of hypocrisy and lack of strategic vision of EU political class.
Regarding the new army, now *elensky is asking his parliament to approve a special citizenship status for Polish people in Ukraine, allowing them to be hired for positions requiring Ukie citizenship, like the army itself. Another shame for Ukrainians if they allow this, but this is the trick to form a new NATO army, Polish disguised as Ukrainians with NATO weapons. I am not saying that this will turn the tide of the war, but it will provide the additional trained manpower for which Ukraine is in desperate need, without formally allowing to enter an army with Polish/NATO flags. This should be ready to meet the Russian after the grinding of the Donbass, rising the concerns of Ritter. Does this make sense?
For the rest, I was not commenting in the last weeks but I would like to thank in any case the staff of the blog for their updates.
Russia appears to be in control of the current situation. Ritter frets that the United States cannot tolerate this, and via NATO will expand the conflict by means fair or foul. We can’t know or change what provocations may emerge, or how Moscow will deal with them.
It is difficult to maintain mental clarity in a period of massive propaganda. It makes sense to me that losing confidence in a fact based vision of circumstances is not just a possibility but over time quite likely. Add on to that the resentment of people who are cheering on a propagandized vision of things and there is a huge pressure to conform to the big media vision of events. Not everyone is comfortable standing against the tide. People do get confused. Scott Ritter may just be worn out or confused. Other explanations are possible. But may not be required to explain a change of perspective.
Many contributors here have made pretty clear how the Ukraine army has been dismantled and outclassed by modern Russian hardware and strategies. If the Russian military doesn’t decide to stop there seems like no real possibility of them not prevailing in Ukraine. And consider that after the Ukrainian army is defeated it will not be Russian troops providing security in Ukraine. It will be Ukrainians. From Donbas and Luhansk. And from the rest of Ukraine after the balance of the population has decided they prefer neutrality and an end to western supported morons play acting Nazi occupiers. Scott could be having a moment of confusion. We won’t know the truth. Becoming hugely hostile to his perspective isn’t very kind. He can be wrong without being “turned”
Scott Ritter used to produce analyses that were connected to reality. This is no longer the case. Well, his palinody does not detract from Martianov’s analysis and the one produced by this site. It is enough to give us a good view of how the real world works, and especially of Operation Z. Thank You for your fantastic work.
I was impressed by comments on a related thread yesterday indicating that the Vineyard regulars are better than this. Ritter has his opinion. He may or may not be correct in his analysis, and while it is not inappropriate to question anyones motives, it seems that critical analysis is helpful for better understanding a situation. Echo chambers are intellectually lazy but more importantly they reinforce blind spots within a shared consensus. Lira’s counterpoints may be accurate but come off as just his opinion no more reinforced by fact than Ritter’s. Let’s welcome critical opinion rather than mirror the cancel culture of the west.
The first design requirement of every U.S. weapons system is that it be as costly as possible, and then some. So you get something like the F35 Eagle, supposed to meet all combat requirements.
It turns out to be a decent ground attack aircraft, but much too slow to stand a chance against much faster 5th generation Russian air superiority fighters.
As if that were not bad enough Trump told the developers they would only get $100M a pop, instead of the $200+M they had expected.
Guess why he got the sack?
I hate to be a contrarian here but I think that the much maligned Ritter may have a point. I think the russians will probably have to take a lot of and even maybe occupy all of it. I think that the Ukrainians will be trained by NATO in Poland or wherever so his point about strategic depth holds water and I think that the Russians may well have to increase their involvement beyond their original goals. I may be mistaken but I don’t think the zelenski government will surrender but I hope it does.
“Ukraine War Has No End in Sight”
https://www.energyintel.com/00000180-d669-d410-aba9-f66dbd120000
Scott Ritter proves to be starting to discover the obvious, finally. This is a war being fought on the territory of Ukraine, but between Russia and the US.
In fact, there is not, nor has there ever been, any prospect of this war having a quick end. However, it may have a sudden outcome.
Perhaps Scott Ritter can also understand that money and weapons in and of themselves do not win wars, even if they contribute to it.
If this were so, the USA would not have been driven out of Vietnam. As it also did in its recent and shameful escape from Afghanistan after 20 years of consuming too much money and too many weapons.
For Scott Ritter, 《Neither Russia nor Nato knows where and how such escalation would end》. But this does not correspond to the truth. Both Mr. Putin and Lavrov have already stated:
11/04/2022, Lavrov:
《Our special military operation is designed to put an end to the reckless expansion and the reckless course toward the total dominance of the United States – and the rest of the Western countries under them – in the international arena.》
https://tass.com/politics/1435849
12/04/2022, Putin:
《What is happening today? The demolition of the system of the unipolar world that took shape after the collapse of the Soviet Union. That’s what’s important! 》
https://t.me/vicktop55/3067
There will come a time when Scott Ritter will eventually also realize the inexorable fall of the US as a hegemonic power.
Just as the end in sight of this war is that we will reach the brink of nuclear armageddon.
So Russia is handing Ukraine/N.A.T.O. their asses. So far, so good. You wouldn’t know it reading propaganda organs like the Canadian Broadcasting Corpse. The people of the west are being absolutely lied to, known as YELLOW journalism, by compromised talking heads, moral degenerates who do what they are told. Please bring the west to its knees, Russians! Many people here see through the B.S. we are being fed by our m.s.m. Now they claim over 13,000 atrocities by brave Russian soldiers. No turning back now.
“Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.”
Will Rogers
Ritter’s support of disarmament is a lot like Putin’s, in my opinion.
He is for nuclear disarmament. (The Saker was extremely dismayed at the prospect of nuclear war because of Ukraine and the U.S./NATO psyops, and justifiably so.) We are not out of the woods yet. There is no acceptable level of risk when it comes to global extinction.
His experience around nuclear disarmament, Cold War history and common humanity, is hopefully not pearls before swine.
Scott Ritter on US Withdrawal from Disarmament Treaties w/ Russia
https://youtu.be/kiGR5rsFumw
Matthew 7:1-6 (KJV) 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
There’s a lot of motes and beams in eyes here, especially in propaganda narratives, false flags and disinformation, or ‘fake news’.
It’s organized blindness managed at the highest levels, psyops, but it is not new. Nowadays we have print, radio, TV and internet, which are only enhancements of what was always true.
“Language does for intelligence what the wheel does for the feet and the body. It enables them to move from thing to thing with greater ease and speed and ever less involvement.”
― Marshall McLuhan, Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man
Jesus is referring to Torah. The Torah contains much military advice and Jesus is commenting on a form of military advice given in Torah, pertaining to the special military and divine operation in the land of Canaan.
Numbers 33:55 (KJV)
But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them [shall be] pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
Joshua 23:13 (KJV)
Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out [any of] these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.
But it’s Jesus, not Moses? It’s a Special MILITARY Operation? But with the gospel we are saved by grace through faith. Can the gospel be militarized? If you destroy a person’s housing, but spare them, will they love you for it? If they are released from captivity by Nazis, where they were used as human shields, will they love you, or love the Nazis, like a Stockholm syndrome?
Faith, military and service are related, but the faith of the civilians may be more like Mearsheimer’s appraisal of a divided Ukraine, than Putin’s Rus or pan Slavic unity, but the military solution is brutal, and like the Old Testament.
Ritter also seems to see a permanently divided Ukraine, with divisions exploited by the west for regime changes, as the current crop of westerners do everywhere.
Old Testament or New Testament, Ritter still sees it as a job or mission, even disarmament and intelligence, military or otherwise.
The best cure for the anti-Ritter critter is more of the Ritter critter. Ritter means Knight in German. He should be at least a Baron.
Ritter – Wikipedia
Ritter (German for “knight”) is a designation used as a title of nobility in German-speaking areas. Traditionally it denotes the second-lowest rank within the nobility, standing above “Edler” and below “Freiherr” ( Baron ).
Scott Ritter on Joe Biden Mocking War
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ecH1SI9ufr8
Scott Ritter talks about bipartisan support for funding the war in Ukraine
https://youtu.be/3K8wOoNI6UM
Azov Surrender in Mariupol: Scott Ritter and Richard Medhurst
https://youtu.be/HOzs_cCHVeU
I am not saying that he doesn’t have his blind spots, or his own 6, but he deserves any support he can get.
I incline to agree with Ritter’s critics’ criticisms for the most part, but they still don’t seem to me to address the nub of the issue he raises. Ritter is the spokesman for all those, inside and outside of Russia, who think Russia went into Ukraine too slow and too small, and that it is past time to end the SMO and move to full-scale mobilization and war. Russia’s true enemy is not Ukraine but the US/NATO, and for Russia to prevail, it is absolutely necessary for it to go large, the sooner the better, starting with going all out to take the whole of Ukraine so that the US/NATO can’t keep using what’s left of the country as a cat’s paw to weaken and ultimately defeat Russia on the war’s various fronts: dissipate its military power, increase economic pressure (esp. through secondary sanctions), and keep the pressure on countries like India and Brazil to diplomatically isolate Russia. That’s where Ritter is coming from, and his concern is shared by all those who think Russia went in too slow and too small. I don’t have the knowledge to opine on this, but I would like to see more commenters focus on the question whether the people inside and outside of Russia who think the SMO idea ill-suited to Russia’s task have a point.
RITTER IS CORRECT
After reading the supplied link to Ritter’s piece, that currently there is no end in sight to the Ukraine war, I don’t see where he is that wrong. This piece and his other earlier one is saying, ‘without Russia mobilizing more resources this war is going to continue ad infinitum’. Show me where anyone has given a cogent response to how this war ends with the current situation? This war is existential to both parties, Russia and the US led West. Nobody is backing down.
Ukraine is not allowing its troops to withdraw even though everyone knows they are going to be destroyed or surrender. Why? First, a surrender is like a simple time out on the playground. Everybody (except the neo-Nasties) are going to go home eventually. Second, the longer they can hold out before they surrender, the higher the price that Russia etc. has to pay. For the West that is exactly what they want.
The one position that I disagree with Ritter is his assumption that Russia needs to close the western border of Ukraine. I would say let them come in and go to the eastern front, as Russia’s supply lines are shorter, less potential for guerilla warfare with the civilians, and by now Russia, et.al. knows this area very well.
Poland is already being reported that their troops are going to the front, with NATO weapons. It is a new phase to the conflict. I don’t see an advantage for Russia to go further west into Ukraine. The war will best be fought where Russia is strongest.
My questions are can Russia continue the intensity of launching high precision rockets, etc. at the current rate or higher forever? Can the Russia’s destroy the reconstituted air defense systems (S300, etc.) of Ukraine and take back more of the skies, giving them more air superiority than they currently have.
The US led West doesn’t expect to “Win” but to weaken Russia, which is totally different and possibly easier objective than what Russia wants. To actually end this the citizens of Ukraine or Russia have to say we’ve had enough. Not seeing that yet.
Comes down to logistics and supply lines. New York to Kiev is 7500km. Moscow to Kiev is 900km.
Now not all armaments come from New York or Moscow or even from the USA. Some from Germany etc.
But on average looks like 7.5:1 ratio in favour of Russians for logistical support.
From what I’ve read elsewhere logistics is what wins wars
Just a thought. It may be that part of the $40 billion from the US to Ukraine will go to US and other Western private military contractor companies to provide say 200,000 to 300,000 mercenary troops to fight on the Ukraine side. That kind of knowledge could have caused Ritter’s 180 swing in his coverage. I believe many mercenaries were employed in Afghanistan and other areas of conflict, who may now be available. There is also a serious shortage of airline pilots in the US and other Western countries – where did they all disappear to? All retired?
$40 billion is about 60% of the RF military budget. That’s a massive amount of money.
There was NO 180 turn by Scott Ritter. He is merely adapting his analysis as the reality changes.
Scott Analyses may have some extrapolations but, fundamentally, he is making the RIGHT QUESTIONS.
Questions that I see NO ONE making, let alone, attempt to answer.
And all this hysteria about “180 turn” because he is not telling what people here WANTS to HEAR. Including Lira and many other pro-russian individuals (many, including Lira, more for the utter-dislike of the west than for any genuine “pro-russia” instance…)
So, after Russia complete Phase 2 and retakes all the south and all the east portion of Ukraine including, for the sake of argument, Odessa……
THEN WHAT???
Will Ukraine instantly fold like a house of cards and sign it’s surrender? Is that what everyone here believes?
There’s lot of Nazis in the ENTIRE country, not only on mariupol, and if they aren’t rooted out, with the west’s support they WILL keep stirring trouble for Russia and will keep putting pressure requiring a never-ending response by Russia (which is not cost-free both in terms of equipment and lives). We could call this “strategic grinding of Russia military capabilities”. They don’t need a “million men” army to achieve that – just by preventing Ukraine for signing ANY deal with Russia, PLUS propping-up the country with $$ and resources and this is already enough to cause LOTS of trouble in Ukraine for Russia. Like Scott Said, making Russia lose by preventing it from winning – or to put in another way, to keep the wound open and festering with worms, never healing.
And this is Ukraine alone. Then we have the Romania+Moldova situation that is brewing silently, then Poland, now Finland…. NATO is doing it’s best to stretch Russia’s ability to defend itself in multiple fronts. And unless NATO backs-down, I don’t see this going that well for Russia, meaning, the west’s overt objective of keeping Russia bogged-down à la Afghanistan has a real chance of succeeding if Russia doesn’t change the DYNAMIC of this situation. So outside completion of Phase 2, there’s LOTS of questions to be made on how things will, if they will, settle. Scott’s “SIN” was to point those things (even if the specifics of his analysis was flawed) and now he is a liar and suspect individual in the eyes of those that didn’t want to hear any of this.
This blog owner, Andrei, gets it. Which is why he mentioned that the likelihood of Russia confronting NATO directly would be very high and this of course would mean that the world would be on the brink of destruction. That’s what would take to make the west BACK OFF. And many people here disagreed with him, when he was looking far beyond on the horizon, looking the true strategic challenges for Russia.
Underestimating the enemy is a huge mistake. Cheerleading and infantile wishful-thinking won’t change the reality. The road ahead for Russia is more difficult than anyone here is willing to admit (taking the full-fledged victory of Phase 2 into account, including Odessa). Hope that Andrei can be back soon to give his unique strategic perspective.
I feel like a parent whose beloved children are fighting amongst themselves. Ritter, Martyanov and Johnson all have valid points. And to be fair, Ritter never says that Ukraine is winning–only that increased weapons and support from the west changes the calculation, and could cause Russia to continue to pour more time and resources to the SMO. And while Putin has sky-high approval ratings, getting bogged down in a quagmire could eventually erode some of that support. All of which works toward the west’s goal of weakening Russia. On the other hand, no one knows the Russian military better than Martyanov. And LJ seems to reflect Andrei’s thinking. But all three men must surely agree that there are no certainties in war. In the end, we can only wait and watch developments on the battlefield. My concern is that three of the finest military minds in the world are wasting time taking shots at each other.
https://voenhronika.ru/
More than 500 soldiers surrendered in Liman! APU DEFENSE CRASH! Yuri Podolyaka latest reports – evening of May 23 (19 videos)
The number is approximate, but from the field they report that hundreds are surrendering. There is no video confirmation yet, the details will be late in the evening or tomorrow morning, since there are no military correspondents there either. In the afternoon it was reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were pushed back behind the railway – look at the map, there is a large railway junction in the city center. There are street fights in Liman. They say that the battle is going on at the railway station.
The front is buzzing from Liman to Avdiivka. Consider the entire Donbas arc in motion. Already by the sound, our military distinguishes fire from Soviet and American howitzers. M777s take longer to recharge, either the operators are stupid, or the system is not very good.
The rate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the mobilized obviously does not work. It is clear that the regime is saving its military personnel, is forming some kind of reserve formations with an eye to several months ahead, and for this it is throwing a large number of unprepared personnel into battle. Cannibalistic approach that does not bode well.
@ Radar on May 23, 2022 · at 1:49 pm EST/EDT
I was impressed by comments on a related thread yesterday indicating that the Vineyard regulars are better than this. Ritter has his opinion. He may or may not be correct in his analysis, and while it is not inappropriate to question anyones motives, it seems that critical analysis is helpful for better understanding a situation. Echo chambers are intellectually lazy but more importantly they reinforce blind spots within a shared consensus. Lira’s counterpoints may be accurate but come off as just his opinion no more reinforced by fact than Ritter’s. Let’s welcome critical opinion rather than mirror the cancel culture of the west.
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Very good points.
Ritter is entitled to his opinion, however, what the SitRep presents is the evolution of a noticeable regression in his posture, observed by many posters in former threads. Personally, I never trusted him, not difficult to see his “critical analysis” has more to do with correcting the mistakes of the establishment he worked many decades for, than contributing to a line of progressive thinking, to which he pays lip service.
Regardless, he knows that establishment very well, and is able to deliver valuable analysis and valid points that needs to be rescued from his not-so newly found alignment with his former masters. A military conflict is always a defining point, and Scott Ritter will not be the last one to be called for his zigzagging. I agree with your point re: mirroring the decadent West’s cancel culture, however, calling a spade a spade is not cancel culture.
Ritter’s regression is not only obvious, is pathetic. It is clear he’s now afraid of Russia wrapping up NATO, drop it in a trash bag, and put it in the trash bin of history. His Russophobic instinct, which he’s been able to restrain while Russia was only a potential threat to the US/NATO, took the best of him once he realized the threat is real, and Russia’s victory is not only possible, it is around the corner.
R.I.P., Scott Ritter.
Lone Wolf
Money does make a difference. The US and UK still have good military minds.
They are obviously not going to use Ukranians. They are going to use US and other troops.
How do they move in? It’s a very long border
They are also clearly going to go after Russian navy in black sea, it’s biggest vulnerability and can access land by sea if they succeed.
Impossible for Russia to get more ships in.
Drones make a difference. If they are serious and put out vast numbers of high quality drones this will have an impact.
The idea there will ge zero impact not realistic. The idea West is incompetent with no plan not accurate.
The West has to attack hard before winter.
40bn buys alot if false flags, a lot of Ukie politicians who will sell their people and a lot of top quality special forces.
I .not saying it will change win to lose. But it will have an impact if only to drag the war on longer and create more casualties.
America is not trying to win this war that’s not their aim. Their aim is to extend it. 40bn buys more war time.
Excellent Sitrep Amarynth
It has been mentioned in comments already, and I agree, that this conflict is between Russia and USA/NATO. Ukraine was used to bait Russia into armed conflict and now the USA/NATO have the war they have sought after for a long time.
It is existential for both sides.
If Russia loses, USA/NATO plunder and rape the Eurasian landmass on a titanic scale with China next in line.
If USA/NATO loses, USA loses it’s world hegemonic position, NATO and EU collapses, a new multi-polar system arises with a win/win policy for all nations in Zone A & B.
Some Observations:
Russia clearly had/has a military hardware advantage going in to the conflict. I notice that the USA just successfully tested a hypersonic missile off the coast of California. Wonder if Scott Ritter had advance notice of this achievement. $40 billion dollars is a lot of production to throw into hypersonic missiles which would negate those advantages presently enjoyed by the Russian and Chinese militaries.
A hypersonic NATO would be a completely different opponent to the one Russia presently faces.
I have nothing but admiration for Russia’s adherence to UN doctrine and it’s careful avoidance of civilian casualties.
However, there are a lot of clever people in the ‘Western’ intelligence community – despite suggestions to the contrary. I do not believe they would be in the hegemonic position they are in today without such intelligence. So it is possible that Russia was baited to go to war with Ukraine in the knowledge that the sanctions war ( which everyone assumes has failed ) would actually benefit the USA, in so much as providing it a lifeline to print another trillion dollars or so in order to fast track their hypersonic missiles and put their military back on a par with their peer rivals.
Options for a solution to the SMO in Ukraine become very time driven now, but I also believe that even if Russia was to take all of Ukraine up to the border with Poland, USA/NATO knowing defeat would be the end of them, would simply start another conflict on Russia’s borders until they have enough hypersonic weapons of their own to overwhelm Russia’s missile defences and hit anywhere they like.
The questions then becomes, is Russia prepared to use nukes ? I have no doubt in my mind that the USA/NATO would use nuclear weapons as soon as they believe they can cripple most of Russia’s nukes first.
They have already dropped two nuclear weapons on Japan with a justified narrative. Coming up with a narrative to use nukes on Russia would be like eating apple pie and cream for Uncle Sam.
One possibility I see in preventing such a scenario would be a popular uprising across all of western Europe to remove all of the USA/NATO puppets and enslaved governments. Things would have to get really bad very quickly for such a popular uprising to take place but with the media control that the USA/NATO masters have over their suffering captive conglomeration, I fail to see that happening.
Another possibility that may prevent such a nuclear escalation would be the introduction of the alternative international trade mechanism – linked to a global resource backed digital currency. A paradigm shift encompassing the entire global south immediately joining the new trade mechanism whilst publicly dropping SWIFT would catapult human consciousness into a new empathic period of interdependence, development and prosperity.
I live in knowledge of possibilities, mine and not mine.
The olive branch now becasue Russia has the evidence to expose everything….Scam-demic was bio-weapon, viruses are fake (read Terrain Theory), Uni-polar financial order run from City of London is a giant scam etc etc…
Is Ritter compromised, or do “they” have his dog held hostage? I’m actually curious as to the deeper background here . . .
I think Scott Ritter has made some very good points and deserves to be taken seriously. He has too much real-world experience to be taken in by US propaganda, and he certainly isn’t a US shill. He deserves a lot more respect than he is given here.
Having said that, of course he can be wrong. Just as other well-informed people like Martyanov can be wrong. Nobody is right all the time.
Having read and thought about all the analyses, my personal conclusion is that the long-term outcome is unpredictable. Nobody knows the exact situation on the ground. Nobody knows both the current thinking in both Washington and Moscow. Even people in Washington don’t know how Washington will respond to Moscow’s next move – and even people in Moscow don’t know how people in Moscow will respond to Washington’s next move. On both sides, there are intelligent, creative people.
My personal sympathies, as a European, are with Russia. I don’t like the fact that my country takes orders from the USA, and I would hate to see American power increased by a major defeat of Russia. I’d like to see a multipolar world, not a world run from Washington. But I try hard not to let wishful thinking influence my judgement. I recommend this attitude to anyone who wants to understand the situation.
Also this will not be some big fat NATO army farting and singing as it swaggers over the border.
They may come in small batches probably in civilian clothing. Ukrainie has a huge border.
In case anyone missed it. 2500 polish troops are reported to have entered Ukrainie.
NATO has a better idea of what to expect now from this war. The Brits have some good strategists. The Israelites will be in there.
I don’t follow convicted pedophile Ritter, don’t give a damn what any paedo says, but he just seems to be highlighting an obvious risk.
US 82nd airborne, an army in an army, built for thus type of war has 100k troops in Poland they are not there for the food or the lack of culture or to eat paprika. They ae going to enter the war. As fool.Biden himself said.
Does the risk to Russia increase due to 40bn? Ofcourse. Obviously. Combined with everything else it does.
Will it be enough to turn tide of war? Very difficult to do that once Russia is entrenched and if they have popular support.
My bet would be Russia taking East and South.
Huge sea attacks by NATO.
Huge guerilla and conventional type attacks by NATO from West Ukrainie. These are. Not intended to win back the territory. They are intended to keep up perpetual war, stop any peace and try to drain Russia.
Anyone thinking America wants a quick win here I believe is wrong. They want continuous chaos and instability that will tie russia down, keep war on and crate another middle East type situation.
Voenkor Kitten Z
Military expert Boris Rozhin with a brief summary of the results of the operation to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine at 21.30 on May 23, 2022, specially for the Voenkor Kotenok Z @voenkorKotenok channel :
1.
Svetlodarsk.
The Svetlodar arc fell down. The village of Mironovsky was taken near Svetlodarsk. There are battles near Vozdvizhenka and Mironovka. The Svetlodarsk-Artemovsk highway is under threat. The Armed Forces unsuccessfully tried to undermine the dam of the Uglegorsk TPP.
2.
Soledar.
After the capture of Vladimirovka, the RF Armed Forces began shelling the Artemovsk-Lysichansk highway, as a result of which the main communication line of the Severodonetsk grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was under direct threat. Fighting also continued in the Novaya Kamenka area.
3.
Artemovsk.
The fighting continued at Pilipchatino. Rockets are being fired at the city. The enemy is concentrating troops on the western outskirts of Artemovsk.
4.
Golden.
The troops broke through the fortified area and reached the outskirts of Zolote. A cleansing of Kamyshevakhi is also underway. There are also battles in the area of Viktorovka and Vrubovka. There are unconfirmed reports of the occupation of Toshkovka. The Gorsko-Golden fortified area did not last long.
5.
Severodonetsk.
The assault on the city continues. The fighting has already moved to urban areas. On the other hand, there are more and more complaints from the military that they are not being supplied, as well as chatter about the fact that Zelensky does not allow Zaluzhny to withdraw troops from the operational bag.
6.
Red Estuary.
The assault on the city began. Our troops entered from the north and began to occupy city blocks. Artillery and aviation have been working very actively since morning. The enemy retreated to the southern part of the city. A large number of prisoners are reported.
7.
Raisin.
Fighting continued in the area of Bolshaya Kamyshevakha, Kurulka and Dolgenkiy. The battles here so far are more of a positional character.
8.
Kharkov.
Medium-intensity battles continued in the area of Liptsy, Ternovoe, Rubizhnoye. After the enemy transferred part of his forces from near Kharkov to Izyum, the front here stabilized and the progress was more of a tactical nature.
9.
Avdiivka.
Fighting near the Avdeevka-Konstantinovka highway. There is a probing of the enemy defenses on the outskirts of Avdeevka and in the area of Krasnogorovka. After occupying Novoselovka, the troops continue fighting on the outskirts of New York.
10.
Zaporozhye.
On the line Kamenskoe-Orekhovo-Gulyaipole-Velikaya Novoseloveka without changes. The enemy expects that soon this direction will be activated and the RF Armed Forces will go on the offensive either on Zaporozhye or in the Gulyai-Pole area.
11.
Marinka, Nikolaev, Odessa – no change.
I already said it and will said it again, the NSA got his hands on Scott Ritter. In the past they framed him for possession of infantile pornography, and I have no doubt they menaced him of dire consequences if he wasn’t changing his script regarding this conflict. Him being a US resident, he’s been extremely reckless in his coverage of the war. It’s not the first time naïveté gets the best of him.
The caveat of the Ritter article is that Russia can not achieve it’s goals without committing more forces. Russia has and will commit more forces to Ukraine. The demonstrated reality that Ukraine has become the proxy military of the US and NATO will motivate Russia to revise its goals as well as tactics. Forget regime change. Forget denazification. Forget securing a land corridor to Crimea and the protection of ethnic Russians in the Doonbas. Russia’s goal is now the utter destruction of Ukraine as an independent state much less a military power.
Russia will accomplish its new goals by first securing the Doonbas, with a secondary goal of exterminating Ukrain’s army with extreme prejudice. Second, Russia will move to seize Odessa and the remainder of Ukrain’s former coast line. Securing Odessa will enable securing Transnistria. Russia will then drive North from the Northern tip of Transnistria towards Kyev simultaneously with a drive South from Belarus to bisect Ukraine. Once again, exterminating the Ukrainian military will be a primary objective.
Russia has a plan! They are following that plan and no doubt adjusting it when it needs to be adjusted !
They all know Russia will win in the Ukraine, the way Russia perceives it, handsomely. Yes!
I dislike opinions but I will give this one ! Russia needs to win to bring the world to a safer place ; if they do not the neocon and neoliberals will be relentless in their global uni polar Neo-feudalistic BS!
Although some of the players in this debate reiterated their respect and friendship for Ritter,there is a persistent odor of betrayal. The suggestion that Ritter did a 180 on the pro-Russia camp feels to me a little juvenile.We should try to take a less parochial view. After all there are so few military-political experts that go public on the other side of the mirror of lies, deceit and toxic propaganda sustained by western MSM meaning StratComm by MIICIMAT apud Ray McGovern, one of the few noble souls, originator nevertheless of The Former Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.There are so few of them that we the commoners that try so hard to stay awake and have a clear perception of geo-political realities, know all by name and can count them all on the at most both hands fingers.Therefore a perceived dessertion of such a revered warrior like Scott Ritter from the good side can cause quite a painful derangement of senses,then we have to remember that even the most functional families even when they elude the risk of falling to the echo chamber tentation,they ‘re never just rosy picnics and feel-good symposions.There are also deep dark under-currents of meaning and conflict we should understand and integrate. But enough with psycho-analising. Haven’t occured to you that Ritter didn’t switch to NATO side but to a different side of the Russia’s internal front, that maybe he is just infiltrating on a very dramatic inside Russia’s debate?In Saker’s terms, he might just have defected to the sixth column, the bunch of red-hot patriots who believe Putin is weak and beholden to the West. These ones wouldn’t have any simpathy or understanding for Putin’s master chess game or his Aikido moves, for them SMO is too soft, vulnerable, they want all-out war. But of course they might be sincere, for sure tempestuous and naive, prone to adverse high-level intelligence penetrations. The trouble is with more profound and existential strategical dillemma that seeps in to the highest levels of inner security apparatus and Kremlin sanctum? See the perceived critical statements of more belicose Medvedeev.What if Ritter is shooting up for that level? Then is not by chance that he is building momentum on Sputnik. It’s funny that somebody made a comment that that’s the proof that Sputnik is free not a mouthpiece of Kremlin!!! :)).After all Scott is an american patriot, intelligence even though a Marine. Nobody probably can understand better what’s he up to than Larry Johnson, of a similar ilk, when it comes to allegiances but also more versatile and a real maverick.
I wonder if Ritter in his 180 is expressing a wide feeling in Washington D.C. to the effect that, “It is inconceivable that US-trained proxies and US weapons could be defeated, therefore a miracle army with miracle weaponry must be in the making and we need to help form it and move it to reverse our defeat.”
I am reminded of Hitler’s expectation of a wonder weapon and, much earlier, the expectation during the Late Middle Ages that a Christian King named Prester John, behind the Arab lines in deep Black Africa, would attack the Moslem Arab armies from the rear and thus relieve pressure on the Christian Germanic armies of Europe.
The mind plays tricks. When one’s most dear dears are done and gone, the mind can manufacture reasons for believing relief if near to save them. Perhaps Ritter is in this condition.
I’d like to see Scott Ritter on a panel discussion where he can explain/defend what he’s saying and others can challenge him if they disagree. Has this happened yet and I missed it? If so I hope someone will provide a link to the discussion. I much prefer that to all the sniping at him from the sidelines. He seems pretty willing to talk with anyone so if this hasn’t been done yet, why not?
A couple of days ago casually listening Ritter’s interview with Ray McGovern i was stunned by his change of rhetoric. A thought ran through my mind that he must have been blackmailed (especially having legal issues in the past). Then two days ago i watched his interview with Richard Medhurst and he was 99% back on his usual track. After that it seems to me that he just had a hysteric lapse of judgement.
People can have an episode of “sudden unexplained derailment” and just hope that was the case. Even highely esteemed Martyanov had such moments so please give Ritter a chance to show us where his heart truly lies.
Oh my goodness! Crucify him! Crucify him! What did Ritter actually say: “The US is all in.” It’s willing to wreak the economies of the US, Europe, indeed the world, in order to split Western Europe off from Russia/China. It is willing to plunge itself into depression and sacrifice the well being of its population to maintain hegemony over the West. It is willing to sacrifice what will no doubt become 100s of billions of dollars to keep this thing going. The US is not clueless. The economic, social and political costs are obvious–it doesn’t require deep study or brilliant analysis. Ritter didn’t say that the Russians are incompetent or even that they will lose. He said they need to up their game. That’s it. His views are legitimate. Maybe he’s right, maybe he’s wrong. What the response has shown is that the Pro-Russian cohort can be just as intolerant, bordering on cultishness, as the fanatics in the West.
I know this is slightly off-topic but I felt it was important enough to forward anyway.
Regarding the two Polish battalions in Pavlograd referred to elsewhere –
Have the Russians blown up a battalion of Polish military in Pavlograd?
“A military facility in Pavlograd was hit amid reports of the arrival of units from Poland
Over the past weekend, military correspondents received information that two armed formations from Poland had arrived in the Dnepropetrovsk region. According to some sources, these are mercenaries, according to others – two full-fledged battalions, which include Ukrainian soldiers trained in Poland, as well as NATO military “vacationers”.
Against this background, information about a missile attack on a military facility in Pavlograd draws attention. The blow was struck about an hour ago. It was witnessed by local residents, who report that a thick cloud of black smoke rises over the territory where the military concentrated.
One of the residents of the Dnepropetrovsk region confirms the explosions in Pavlograd:
In this regard, we should expect a report from the Russian Ministry of Defense about which object was hit in Pavlograd.
It is likely that the target was precisely the place of concentration of the very armed groups that arrived there from abroad”
.https://en.topwar.ru/196696-po-voennomu-obektu-v-pavlograde-nanesen-udar-na-fone-soobschenij-o-pribytii-tuda-podrazdelenij-s-territorii-polshi.html
Eagerly awaiting confirmation of this. A strike definitely took place but was it on the Polish military battalions?
Also being reported RF enters Lyman, with some sort of Orc mass surrender, 24/7 arty will do that. At warnews247.
Cheers M
Here is part of Larchmonter’s comment on Andrei Martynov’s site –
According to preliminary data, the first two battalions of Polish infantry were transferred from Kiev the day before and have already reached Pavlograd
Polish units may also be transferred from Pavlograd to Popasna. There, the Russian army and the DPR forces are actively advancing towards Bakhmut, defeating the Ukrainian army every day. In Bakhmut, Russian troops can join up with the southern group, and a significant group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be in the fire bag — those units that did not have time to retreat to Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Severodonetsk and Lisichansk.
They are trying to drag anyone into the war, because the army of Ukraine actually ceases to exist, there is only teroborona, which can no longer provide serious resistance. As soon as it turns out to destroy them in the Donbass, this will mean – “everything”
Military expert, Doctor of Military Sciences Konstantin Sivkov also added that Poland’s participation in a military operation on the side of Ukraine does not mean that a Russia – NATO conflict will begin.
If the Poles are drawn in, then, of course, we will hit the Poles. And they expect that in these conditions, after the Poles, NATO will join. But they have already told the Poles that if they get in there, it will be their personal initiative and it has nothing to do with the alliance.”
So . . more than likely that Russia has struck the Polish forces knowing that they are not there however as part of nato.
Sadly, absent your brilliant military intellect, the Russian General Staff will just have to muddle through to victory.
I think the ex-KGB apparatchik is doing just fine.
Ritter stated about his background : ” we trained everyday to kill Russians”
What to expect from someone who delved into that sort of thing ?
I’m not surprised.
Was it your impression that the army is trained on making pancakes? Perhaps fajitas?
This is actually their job. To learn how to kill people, defend the nation.
‘we trained everyday to kill Russians”
first we practiced on Iraq, twice, hmm, they kicked us out, a few times….
then we practiced on Afghanistan…..need more practice
we tried to practice on Syria….still practicing
we talked shit to Iran, they kicked us in the balls…….practice, ouch
Lots of practice for Scott and his ‘type’…….how’s that practice working out, Scott?
Cheers M
I’d through Vietnam in, didn’t feel like being mean.
Dear friends. I guess we are not in religion here. There are more readers of the Saker than commenters and contributors. These readers for the most part come here looking for alternative views different from/opposed to the MMS chorus.
S Ritter’s analysis can go either way, pro-x one day or anti-x another day, it depends on his perception and understanding of the facts. What matters to us is the accuracy of his views and the relevance of his arguments. For good or bad, S Ritter’s past and present positions add to our own understanding. Overall, whatever some may think, his “180° turn” is a contribution to the “open debate”. I do not judge him, i simply study his analysis relative the hard and irrefutable facts we call reality. From what he and others submit to readers, i try to build my own opinion. No campism. Only truth we long for.
Say our elders : ” Watch and listen carefully, think hard, filter, retain the good grain and throw out the rest”.
Here is the response I’ve made elsewhere to Ritter’s Richard Medhurst interview in which he repeats his “analysis” of the situation.
OK, in the last thread someone said Scott Ritter did not say that Russia was losing in his interview with Richard Medhurst.
Well, yes, he did. I watched the whole thing, skipping over the later parts which were all the same as he’s said before. What matters is the first part in which he discussed “where we are now” in the war. The following are either direct quotes or paraphrased without changing the meaning.
He starts out by asking: “Is Russia achieving its political objectives?” He describes those objectives as he understands them, which of course are totally focused on Ukraine: neutrality, no NATO, de-militarization and de-Nazification.
Then he says “Ukraine is not neutral, in fact Ukraine is more NATO than they have ever been… NATO is not folding like a house of cards, they are doubling down…bringing forces towards the Russian border, not away from the Russian border…” and then says Finland and Sweden are the “eastward expansion of NATO”.
He says “That Russia has not accomplished its objectives yet does not mean that Russia will never accomplish its objectives, but there is a widening gap between the military objectives and the political objectives…”
He claims in order to de-Nazify Ukraine, Russia has to deal with the Ukraine government being a de facto Nazi state, which means Russia needs a plan and “I don’t see that plan right now because 200,000 troops may be sufficient…” to do Donbass but are not enough to capture Western Ukraine.
He says “Ukraine has a long-term plan to reconstitute its military, bring them into Ukraine, and continue the fight. So how can you speak of de-militarization when every unit you’re destroying on the front line NATO is helping Ukraine reconstitute a better unit in German soil or Polish soil?”
“One would expect that the Russians would have figured out how to interdict more effectively the arms coming across, and there is some success…But we also see the artillery pieces show up on the front lines. We see the Polish tanks shows up on the front lines.”
“The tanks are moving. Why? Because Poland and Europe are providing them with refined petroleum products, hundreds if not thousands of rail cars…”
“The game has changed. That doesn’t mean Russia will lose.”
Then he complains Russia hasn’t changed its plan. He says Russia winning the tactical battles and the operational maneuvering. “But you don’t win a war just by winning battles. You have to accomplish your political objectives. And the risk here is that by not accomplishing its political objectives, Russia is losing by not winning and Ukraine is winning by not losing.”
One thing he points out is that both Poland and Finland, in buying F-35A jets – which are nuclear weapon delivery vehicles – are painting Russian nuclear targets on themselves. This part he gets right.
The rest is bullshit. I was beginning to think he was compromised, but not I swing back to my earlier opinion. He simply doesn’t comprehend what Russia is doing in the wider scheme. He thinks that Russia is solely focused on eastern Ukraine, isn’t going to de-Nazify anything but eastern Ukraine, and isn’t going to be able to demilitarize Ukraine because NATO will replace every unit with a better armed, better trained unit created by NATO out of Ukrainians. Meanwhile NATO is going to expand and apparently he thinks Russia can’t do anything about it.
It’s hard to know where to start. I took this stuff apart before in my review of his Energy Intelligence article in a previous thread.
1) On the one hand, he complains Russia is not achieving the political objectives now. Then he contradicts himself by saying that doesn’t mean Russia won’t achieve them later. So which is it?
2) Since he apparently doesn’t understand Russia’s political objectives – or even know them since, frankly, no one knows how those political objectives will play out in Ukraine, other than the logical outcomes I and Karlof1 have mentioned which have not occurred yet by definition, why is he complaining about something that hasn’t happened yet/ How soon does he want these political objectives achieved? In this regard, he admitted that he expected this whole SMO to be over in two months. Apparently, since that didn’t happen, he’s gotten frustrated at the pace.
3) He says Ukraine is “more NATO than it’s ever been”. Yeah, Scott, but for how long? The fact that a bunch of outmoded weapons are being sent in doesn’t mean squat if and when Russia decides to finish the job.
4) He talks about “the widening gap between the military and political objectives”. This is purely a perception with zero meaning. Again, it depends on locking himself in to this moment in time and not seeing the inevitable outcome of the military operation, which is a necessary antecedent to achieving the political objectives. He also doesn’t distinguish between the political objectives in Ukraine and the political objectives outside Ukraine, which are linked but not identical.
5) He says no plan to de-Nazify the rest of Ukraine because in his view 200,000 troops aren’t enough to do that. Once again, he’s locked in to this moment in time. Who’s to say Russia won’t dump another 200,000 or 400,000 troops into Ukraine when it needs to? In fact, who’s to say 200,000 troops are NOT sufficient to sweep across Ukraine and take Kiev and take Lviv? Who’s going to stop them when Russia has air supremacy and the ground between eastern Ukraine and western Ukraine is open steppes and the best-trained and equipped forces Ukraine had were in eastern Ukraine?
6) He says Ukraine has a “long-term plan” – no, it doesn’t. The US has that “long-term plan.” And how “long-term” can it be when Russia moves on to “phase 3” and “phase 4” of its SMO? How long can Ukraine actually continue to function?
7) He says Ukraine is going to “reconstitute” its army with $40-50 billion and NATO training in NATO countries. With what? How fast can NATO produce Ukrainian troops trained to NATO standards from Territorial battalions – because that’s all Ukraine has left? As noted by others, most of the money in that aid package doesn’t even go to Ukraine. How are you going to get these units in country to “continue the fight”? Smuggle them one by one over the border? NATO tried that with the mercenaries – who died outside Lvov, for the most part, or died when they reached the front line.
Russia can keep killing Ukrainians until there are no Ukrainians if necessary. But it’s not necessary. You need cohesive units on an operational level to conduct a war – not a bunch of random units fed in a few at a time. Ukraine has no operational plan and no capacity to make one and no capacity to carry one out.
8) He complains Russia is not interdicting every weapon coming across the border. So what? They’re destroying them on the front line as well as in the rear. More importantly, there is no indication that they’re having any significant effect on the pace of the war. The only thing slowing the pace of the war is the fact of the sheer numbers of men who have to be killed in dug in fortifications. Again, he’s fixated on this moment in time and forgetting that Russia is inflicting significant, if not massive (500-1,000 a day is not “massive”), casualties while minimizing their own.
More importantly, he forgets that tactical weapons – which is what everything (including tanks and artillery) other than air power, long-range stand-off and nuclear weapons are – can not determine the outcome of a war. What determines the outcome of a war is the relative advantage of the strategic and operational plan. I’d love to see him try to convince Martyanov that M777 howitzers and Polish tanks are going to matter in this war. Just as Russia is killing Ukrainians, they are destroying Ukrainian weaponry regardless of where it comes from. And as many have noted, the rate of replacement of weapons is much slower than the rate of destruction. And if that changes, the rate of destruction – of either Ukrainians or weapons – can be easily increased.
9) He complains about rail shipments from Poland of diesel and gas to be used by Ukrainian tanks. He omits the fact that most of the Ukrainian railways have been damaged and there is no reliable information as to how much of that fuel is actually being delivered to the front lines.
10) He says the game has changed, and while that doesn’t mean Russia will lose, he then contradicts himself and says “by not accomplishing its political objectives, Russia is losing by not winning and Ukraine is winning by not losing.” Again, this reveals a fixation on this moment in time and he is irrationally extrapolating that to the future, simply because Russia has allegedly not “won” within the first two or three months. He completely forgets everything he said about Russia going in “soft” and avoiding civilian infrastructure and civilian and even Ukrainian military deaths. Apparently he would like to see Russia revert to classic Russian or American strategy by just destroying everything in sight.
What he fails to appreciate is precisely what Martyanov continually harps on. Russia has the best General Staff in the world. That General Staff does nothing but plan 24×7. In operational planning strategy and logistics are number one and two. Scott should know what operational planning looks like because he was involved in it with Schwartzkoff in the Irag war. He needs a refresher course from that video Martyanov did last week Monday entitled “Surprise, not!”. Martyanov laid out how operational planning was done; he even showed the sort of computer screens involved in the military models of an operation. I uploaded the document he was working from to my Google Drive, you can download it here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YJSVVqmelleySoH3pd2zey__KKvyLmao/view?usp=sharing It will give you an idea of the complexity of operational planning.
The point of Martyanov’s video is that the Russian General Staff is rarely if ever “surprised”. They have contingency plans for everything. It’s risible that they did not imagine NATO becoming involved one way or the other in the Ukraine war or that they will “run out” of anything they need to prosecute this war at the pace desired.
I suspect Ritter has a problem believing that Russia is quite capable of handling this war, as a result of his belief that it “should have been over in two months.” He ignores what he himself said repeatedly over the last months – that Russia is avoiding civilian casualties and civilian infrastructure because it needs an intact Ukraine to achieve those political objectives.
Finally, he claims Ukraine is “winning by not losing.” This is nonsense. There can be no doubt on the ground that Ukraine is losing. They are simply not losing on Scott’s timetable – so he’s frustrated. It’s not totally unreasonable. Everyone would like to see the war end fast with a quick victory (except the neocons, of course.) But again, Russia is doing this at its own pace taking into consideration matters that are not apparent to people not familiar with the conduct of war or the political objectives Russia has for Ukraine.
In short, Ritter has made a completely erroneous analysis based solely on his personal emotional response to the situation on the ground and his perception of what Russia “shoulda-woulda-coulda” be doing. Well, send an email to Shoigu and criticize, Scott. Maybe he’ll educate you.
I’d really like to see Ritter and Martyanov go on The Duran livestream and argue it out. Martyanov would trash Ritter is my prediction.
It’s significant because Ritter is everywhere on the Internet as one of the main voices for the alt view of the war. If he starts muddling the issue, because o his own personal issues, it’s not helpful. It does nothing but produce more “concern trolls”.
I won’t go so far as to say Ritter is a concern troll, because I think his issue is frustration at the pace of the war, thus forcing him to continue to argue against the US/NATO aggression more than he probably hoped he would have to. But he hasn’t thought it through. Even if Russia wins the war, even if Russia occupies all of Ukraine (as he initially suggested), that isn’t going to resolve the NATO expansion issue – except in Ukraine. So he’s conflating two different – if linked – matters, as many people have done throughout the crisis. As I’ve said many times, Ukraine is but the first step in dealing with US/NATO aggression. But it is a necessary first step and there are consequences to how it has to be done and the extent to which it has to be done.
Ritter either doesn’t understand that or has forgotten it. And as a result he’s confusing people as to the likely outcome of the situation. It’s fine to be aware of risks to the operation, especially since we don’t really know whether Russia itself understands what needs to be done until it does it, but he’s gone overboard on emphasizing them and elevated them to some sort of crisis in his mind.
I actually think Ritter makes some good points. The situation has changed in many ways since the beginning of the SMO. It is undeniably true that a 40 Billion dollar aid package has the potential to alter Russia’s course of action in Ukraine. What we don’t know is how the money will be spent.
What we do know is that the Donets basin is vitally important to Russia. Brzezinski made it clear in his book “The Grand Chessboard” that severing Ukraine from Russia transforms Russia into a regional player that is unable to challenge the U.S. hegemony. Russia naturally views this as an existential threat and will act accordingly until this conflict has ended.
I’m sure that Russian military planners have set objectives that are clear, unambiguous, with measurable results. There are deadlines and specific assignments of accountability as well. That being said objectives are based on Intel and expectations. Expectations are at best informed guesses and that is why there are contingency plans. There are factors outside of the control of the Russian military, the world isn’t standing still. Factors like US/ China relations, Israeli/ Iran relations, NATO/EU being used as a military training ground and distribution hub for the conflict with Russia change the SMO significantly.
Money spent isn’t everything though. The success of most military operations depends on secure lines of communication of adequate capacity. Nodes along the LOC are it’s most vulnerable and inviting targets (Ukraine sure has found this out). LOCs in space are very important to the US and its capacity to share targeting intelligence with Ukraine, for example. Would be a shame if a country had developed a highly capable anti-satellite weapon that could endanger this LOC.
Unfortunately a much wider war looks to be on the horizon and needs to be planned for.
Mao Zedong once said in his essay On Protracted War,
“There is the so-called theory of “weapons mean everything “… Weapons are an important factor in war, but not the decisive one; It is man and not material that counts. The contest of forces is not only a contest of military and economic power, but also one of the power and morale of humans”.
Clever guy this Mao.
Getting a tad long in the tooth this, he said, she said, thread. Almost like a school yard spat. The horse is dead, no amount of flogging will make it get up.
Move on people, medals can be handed out later.
Cheers M
Saw this reported elsewhere few hours ago, hopefully can be validated for accuracy by SITEREP level knowledgeable sources
War update: “Ukraine took some heavy losses today. Probably the 4th worst day since the war started.
Lyman, Toshkivka, Zolote (fortified trenches), Troitske, Myronivsky, Svitlodarsk have fallen
Ukrainians are retreating all along the frontlines to stronger defensive positions.”
Ritter didn’t shift 180°. He simply recognized that after Phase 2, the Russian offensive may face a prolonged and difficult Phase 3. Specifically, unless the Donbass campaign breaks the Ukrainian military, thereby breaking the state, Russia isn’t done. Russia can incidentally roll up Odessa in Phase 2½, and reduce the Ukrainian state to a landlocked tragicomic parasite on Europe, but this will not neutralize Ukraine, nor achieve any of the goals in the December 2021 draft treaties. By summer 2022, Zelensky-led Ukraine, armed to the teeth, flush with mercenaries and “advisors”, will be taunting Russia along the new, longer LOC. Ironist Zelensky is perfect for that “Ukraine = War” state which no longer has to support itself, develop, educate, like a normal state. The charity will keep flowing. Rich western countries (plus Japan) with populations totalling over 1 billion can support the 20 million or so remaining in Ukraine as specimens in the violence preserve. Much depends on Phase 2, or Phase 2½, collapsing the state into one wishing normalcy. Neither we nor Ritter can predict this. But if it occurs, and Ukrainian Nazism is finished, then Zelensky — one versatile performer — will find new ironies for that state.