by Larchmonter445 for The Saker Blog
What the US just did regarding Human Rights in Xinjiang, blacklisting companies used by the China government and refusing visas for officials is pretty close to a last straw.
Combined with financing, training and leading the HK protests, arming Taiwan with high level weapons systems (F-16s), and destroying the global supply chains, restricting export of semi-conductors, attacking Huawei all over the globe, imprisoning CFO Meng Wanzhou in attempt to extradite her for US trial, the Chinese have no doubts that the “deal” is pure extortion. It’s not about negotiations. It’s about coercion and submission. and humiliation.
I’d say the odds of a deal are now one hundred million to one, on the low side.
And if Trump does not get the USMCA through Congress this year, he will have nothing but the Japan deal to talk about. The economy will sag. And if China works hard to hurt the US economy once the break actually happens, a Recession is almost certain.
Combined with endless war everywhere and no “deals” in the ME, NK, China, Ukraine, North America, his foreign policy and economic policy is dead, an abortion.
For the tenth time he says we are leaving Syria. And immediately the Pentagon and all the neocons said no, and no is the actuality.
China is a nation under war. Not a threat of war, real war, aimed at destroying its territorial sovereignty and its economy.
The CCP has been targeted directly as human rights criminals.
They can’t negotiate under these war conditions. Now the US will restrict capital flow investment from pensions funds going into listed on the Stock Market corporations. So, the US is attacking the biggest Chinese corporations, trying to strangle them as it has with ZTE and Huawei. Total WAR.
No Chinese citizen doesn’t understand what is going on. They are unified that the US is trying to destroy what they built in the last 40 years. And they perceive it as racist, also.
It’s a recapitulation of centuries of racist imperialism.
The reason the Chinese have stated their strategic relationship and acted in coordination with Russia, more and more every day, is their sense of need of Russia’s titanium spine against the Hegemon. China knows it is not strong enough to handle the storm.
John Pilger has an excellent video, ‘The Coming War on China’, which is worth a watch. However, in truth, the glorious West, those God Chosen Herrenvolk, have been at war with China and the rest of humanity forever.
China has been a victim of Western aggression since 1793 or thereabouts, and unremittingly since 1949. The support of separatist terrorists in Tibet, Xinjiang and now Hong Kong has been unrelenting, but, of course, now that China is the largest economy on Earth, and not a completely financialised sewer of monetary repression, exploitation and parasitic speculation like the USA, the Rulers of the Universe are in a lather of panic and racist rage.
It would be hard to describe just how deep, hysterical, vicious and depraved the racist hatred of China is here in Australia. While I can remember NO positive stories in the fakestream media concerning China, now it is just an unending river of venom and lies. China is the New Nazis. One million, two, three-ALL Uighurs are imprisoned in concentration camps. China ‘meddles’ in our politics, which are totally controlled by the USA and Israel, and for which there is NO evidence of Chinese interference, but what the Hell-just make it up. The hatred is led by the American Satan, Murdoch’s hate-machine, and the military/intelligence collective, including think-tanks financed by Lockheed and Raytheon, with a coterie of hyper-obese Sinophobes ever present on the TV.
Fortunately, the USA’s trade-mark thuggish bullying here meets its Nemesis. An economic war on China just hastens the day when China will not need US high-tech, and a divided world will just congregate the loser boot-lickers, like Austfailia, in one refugee camp, while those tying themselves to China, or simply refusing to join the rejectionist camp, sailing off into the sunset. Of course Thanatopolis DC won’t allow that-they are ‘Exceptional’ after all, so war is certain.
With all the “China is bad’ spewing from the politicians in Canberra, what a touch of irony to observe the Rugby League Grand Final between the Sydney Roosters and Canberra Raiders. on Sunday.
Plastered all over the Canberra Raiders’ uniform was the logo of their sponsor … the Chinese firm – ‘ Huawei’.
Ha ha. Money does talk.
An excellent summary.
As a fellow Australian I am constantly amazed and appalled by my fellow countrymen’s self-destructive stupidity.
My current favourite example is the denizens of Townsville, some few months after a ‘one in 2000 year’ flood devastated the city, voting for Adani, and thus for more floods, the death of the Great Barrier Reef and doom for their own children. Of course today’s twin malignant imbecilities of Joel Fitzgibbon of ‘Labor’ demanding that Labor’s ludicrously inadequate decarbonisation goal, be reduced even further, and the Energy Minister demanding that coal power stations remain in service as long as possible, gives it a run for the money, but what that happens in Austfailian public life is not a moral and intellectual travesty these days?
Now now now, beggars can’t be choosers, if Australia wants to insult China (because of the Anglo privilege of wagging fingers at others for the same atrocities, that the anglos themselves have committed), then Australian boggans are going to have to swallow whatever swill Adani floods them with. This is called karma.
Now if they (and the self Australian Anglo establishment) weren’t such a bunch of self blind loudmouths, they’d realize that it’s better to be polite and respectful of all trade partners (and interlocutors), including China, so as to not end up limiting their credibility and future options.
Their establishment really need to get a handle on their insecurities and inferiority complexes regarding their much more powerful Asian neighbors.
That’s ‘bogans’ with one ‘g’ Anaam. Yep-we’re loudmouths, and toadies to our ‘Great and Powerful ‘Friends” in the USA, just as we were once with England. If there’s an Imperial blood-bath going, we’ll be there, fighting for ‘Western Moral Values’.
@mulga
I deliberately put an extra “g” to see if you’d correct it, your doing so has confirmed that my posting has had its intended effect.
Your characterization of Australia being a toadie and being supportive of any war instigated by conniving Britain or neocon/neoliberal/etc. factions in the US is something supported by evidence and so, finally, we agree on something.
And what, pray tell, was that ‘intended effect’? Me displaying my unparalleled knowledge of Austfailian slang? I hate to tell you, but I rather often agree with what you say.
Yes I already know that (that you often agree with what I say), because your views are well documented here thru your very large number of comments.
As for the intended effect, I’m going to keep you guessing because you should be able to answer that for yourself.
But I’d like to end this thread out of respect and mercy towards the moderator because we are off topic and getting into a personal discussion that is trivial.
I do find your knowledge of Australia to be valuable and a constructive addition to our collective knowledge here.
Best regards (with apologies to the mod.).
Thank-you for your kind words. I will now ponder the enigmatic problem you have granted me.
mumblebrain: since you know a hell lot about Australia, could you put down in ten lines a subject of my particular interest? Unable to get information.
What has Canberra been doing in Timor Leste – local oil depots – lately and what are Timor s chances ?
I believe we finally reached an amicable and fair agreement with Timor Leste over the hydrocarbon reserves. Under Howard and Foreign Minister, Downer, the wannabe boy spy who helped set up Papadopoulos in the conspiracy to derail Trump’s Presidential bid, for his MI6 colleagues (see Hakluyt and Co.)we bullied the Timorese into a very bad deal, plus spied on their Cabinet, illegally, an operation revealed by a whistle-blower who is currently being viciously persecuted and prosecuted, along with his lawyer, by the current hard Right, sub-fascist, ruling thug regime, in a secret, Star Chamber style, ‘trial’. In short, we are sinking into the cesspit, quite rapidly.
Eventually, Australians will wake up and realize that constantly insulting their best customer is poor business strategy — especially if said customer has alternatives for everything Oz offers.
Australia is already hurt. Economy is reeling under pressure from the Americans. Being a US stooge yet geographically belonging to Asia, Australia is confused. I must admit that I am for reasonable tariffs and a vibrant domestic production industry but to blindly follow the crazies that live half way round the world and sacrifice your own interests is suicidal.
To understand Australian politics and recent political hardened attitudes read up on the whitlam government collapse in 1975. Whitlam challenged US to remove bases off Australian soil. Thus whitlam government was brought down.
To directly defy washington is dangerous and that is known deep inside Canberra . (Oz like NZ are part of the five eyes data collection network as most know)
Washington is still powerful plus devious in most of its activities: but its influence is rapidly wanning as it soils its own nest.
As for MSM commentaries I dont bother watching or reading or debating their childish assertions.
@Ross
“ Whitlam challenged US to remove bases off Australian soil. Thus whitlam government was brought down.
Not entirely accurate, if memory serves me right. Whitlam was refused access to Pine Gap and was understandably piqued by the insult, probably what he intended to rouse the public opinion against the US bases in Oz.
What followed was a well-orchestrated press vilification campaign by the press barons (Murdoch, Fairfax, Packer) against the Labor government and its entire mild socialist programme, the main thrust of which was the nationalization of the energy and mineral resources for the benefit of the people, not for the multimillionaires who used price transfer mechanisms to pay paltry royalties and taxes while exploiting the national resources – blatant daylight robbery.
The CIA was very busy then: Chile 1973, Portugal and Australia 1975.
Whitlam was beset by the most vicious hate campaign up to that time, a real sign of how the country’s real masters, the rich owners of the place, hold ‘democracy’ in total contempt, if it produces the wrong results. The Murdoch cancer, in a sign of things to come, launched a campaign of hatred, fear, lies and disinformation against his Government, as did, less viciously, the rest of the MSM. The Opposition more or less made the Parliament unworkable with sabotage tactics, including blocking the Government’s money supply, twice, an unprecedented assault. The State fascist regimes, particularly that in Queensland run by the imbecile hick, Bjelke-Petersen, sabotaged the Federal Government at every opportunity, and events were not kind, as the oil shock hit at the same time.
Whitlam made mistakes, turning towards proto-neoliberalism and appointing Kerr, a known US intelligence asset from WW2, as Governor-General. The Government was fractious as the Left fought the beginnings of the Right turn that has made Labor now a more or less complete simulacrum of Blairism and Clintonism.
But the writing was on the wall from the time, just after their election in ’72, when Government Ministers from the Left attacked the USA for its Christmas terror-bombing of Hanoi and Haiphong. By ’75 the US had appointed CIA coup-meister, Marshall Green, the architect of the ’65 coup and genocide in Indonesia, as ‘Ambassador’ to Australia, and sure enough, supply was blocked again (only possible after Bjelke-Petersen refused to appoint a Labor member to the Senate after the death of a Labor Senator, another unprecedented outrage) and Kerr sacked Whitlam. The country has gone down the toilet, ever more rapidly, ever since.
Austfailian household debt is gargantuan. Wages are stagnant after decades of Rightwing attacks on unions and working conditions. The housing bubble is more hypertrophied that that of Ireland back in the mid 2000s. Anthropogenic climate change is hitting agriculture hard, killing the rivers and the Great Barrier Reef and burning the country in unprecedented megafires. And we are ruled by a Federal regime of absolutely villainous imbeciles, thugs, ignoramuses and happy-clapping God-botherers. Nemesis is very near.
Mulga
The irish housing bubble has no base value such as is found in UK Canada NZ Oz and other developed nations.
The value of most Irish houses built on tiny pieces of land are poorly constructed – the finishing and design are also not well thought thru. Plus they are grossly over priced compared to the nations cited above whom do have a base value system reviewed every five years or there abouts.
The observations of your nation s housing bubble becoming so inflated probably beyond the average wage earner are interesting .
What you decry in OZ is quite common around so called western nations…. Austerity once called structural adjustment policy which trashed africa south east asia pacific and carribean nations is exactly what Oz is being subjected to by your political class….
Please stay on topic and take this conversation to the MFC. Thx. Mod.
Mulga Mumblebrain
In 1971 Kissinger went to China, followed by Nixon in 1972. The aim was to bring China into the Western political and economic orbit and isolate the USSR (Russia), thus preventing a Russian-Chinese economic and political partnership. By isolating China from Russia, it was thought that Russia, too, would fall into the Western orbit, with the West controlling Euro-Asia. A huge mistake. The Chinese are no fools. They knew what the game was. Yes, they rushed to establish economic ties with the West, boosting their economy and standard of living for the population. However, they did not turn their back on Russia. And the result ? China trades with both the West and Russia, getting from Russia both high tech and energy.
Seeing what happened, the West goes after Russia. In 2014 it instigates that coup d’etat against Yanukovich in Kiev, hoping to bring Ukraine into the EU and NATO, so that NATO could grab the naval base of Sevastopol and place missiles right next to the Russian border, giving it an advantage in a nuclear confrontation, after which Russia would be given an ultimatum: surrender or perish. What the West got was war in the Donbass, the humiliation of the Ukrainian military, and the drastic deterioration of the standard of living in Ukraine, which is now looking into an economic collapse and disintegration as a state.
Seeing what the outcome was, the West turns again against China, hoping to destabilize it through economic and political measures. It won’t work. Too late for that. All the West did was bring China even more closer to Russia, as neither are willing to fall for the old divide and conquer tactic.
An what now ? We shall see. The Washington political establishment is still living in the past, using old methods of political and economic subversion. As The Saker correctly stated a day ago, such a mentality and methods used will bring the US empire crashing sooner than anybody expected, all the more so if you take into account the gigantic US foreign and domestic debts, and the fact that countries are discarding the use of the US dollar.
The Clintons, Blair, David Petraeus, Lawrence Summers, Robert Zoellick, Carl Bildt, Shimon Peres, Radek Sikorski and various other Imperial reptiles met at Yalta in the Crimea, in September 2013, to plot regime change in Ukraine and Russia. The ‘Maidan’ broke out soon after. The meeting was one of an annual series organised by Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, needless to say, a Jewish human being. The mood at the meeting was described as ‘euphoric’ at the prospect of severing Ukraine from any relations with Russia.
If this truly is the last straw, Beijing must immediately:
*Crackdown on the “American” Sheldon Adelson
*Shutdown ALL consulates of USA, UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, & France in Hong Kong
*Announce major new trade deals with Iran & North Korea, & declare all USA sanctions as illegal violations of international law
*Announce as official policy the support of reunification movements for Ireland, Korea, & (if Putin approves) the USSR
@Dick.
Putin does not want a return of the USSR.
He is on record stating this multiple times.
Watch his Valdai Club + SPEF and similar forum appearances over the last decade + and he is clear and consistant in artculating his vision for Russian Federation and alliances in Eurasia and beyond
I realise that, however the main idea is to upset the West. Furthermore, Putin has also stated the USSR was illegally broken up against the will of the people. Finally, Putin said the USSR could have been reformed.
By quietly encouraging Abkhazia, Eastern Ukraine up to Dnieper river, Belarus, Kazakhstan, & other like-minded territories to hold referendums on reunification, it would be legally legitimate way to give Putin another term in office (if he so desired.)
I don’t agree with your take…This is China’s Golden Age. This is China’s time in the sun. This is China’s time to shine and the wicked West cannot stop the rise of China.
“The sun has set in the West and is rising in the East” George Galloway former British member of Parliament…
“The system of RACISM and Global white supremacy must be dismantled and replace with a system of TRUTH and JUSTICE. Dr. Frances Cress Welsing…
Remember the three ports in China that had explosions close to each other followed by an explosion in a port in Japan? The US sent three messages to China then China sent a message to the US via Japan. That was when the US war on China was ramping up.
“What the US just did regarding Human Rights in Xinjiang, blacklisting companies used by the China government and refusing visas for officials is pretty close to a last straw.”
I actually think that Trump may sincerely wants a trade deal with China – for the obvious reason of boost to economy for his re-election next year.
But the China hawks don’t want any deal. They are doing everything to sabotage it. Just like the war hawks are doing everything to sabotage the withdrawal from Syria.
Trump is weak and easily manipulated, plus being too arrogant and ignorant.
I actually think that Trump may sincerely wants a trade deal with China – for the obvious reason of boost to economy for his re-election next year.
Trump only wants a trade deal where Uncle Scam’s boot is on China’s throat. As an arrogant & ignorant person Trump is unable to comprehend the concept of “mutually beneficial.”
If Trump is so easily manipulated then that gives Beijing all the more reason to crackdown on the assets & organisations belonging to “Americans” like Sheldon Adelson, George Soros, NED, and others like them.
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since i’m early maybe i’ll be read. to understand Trump you have to see him from within his own system.
you have to know your opponent on his own terms.
at random: 1) any President, esp Trump, sits on a cauldron of competing power and competing forces.
you don’t get power, power gets you.
the entire power structure is out to destroy him. Flynn was a vulnerability. removing a target is not a betrayal.
you believe the neocons are running foreign policy? but they’ve crashed all their initiatives. Michael Hudson
wrote on this site he believes Trump set them up to self destruct. do you give this any credence?
with globalization gone into reverse, the shine is coming off China. this is a power which entered the late
20th century on the back of a generation of industrial slavery. where does all your enthusiasm come from?
there’s too much satellite evidence to deny the mass internment camps of China’s Muslim minority.
how’s this going to play in the larger framework of Central Asia in the Russo-Chinese alliance?
i’m not even calling this Chinese regime Stalinist yet.
last and most important. Trump doesn’t want to strangle China. he wants a radical change in the terms of
relations and he’s almost won. how? the money.
China’s financial system is way more leveraged than that of the West – US or Europe; and it’s disconnected
from the West and Japan. i.e., if it crashes it crashes China, esp the CCP, not a spider-web of western
counter parties. the viability of that massive banking system depends on sustaining China’s (mercantilist)
growth rate. if that growth rate fails, the money and the currency go with it… at what rate i don’t know.
what Trump is doing with his tariff hikes raises the ante to where China can’t play.
here’s my best source on the issue. i don’t have to like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5QzuzD01A there’s 5 of them.
Andy Xie saw this coming a year ago. (readers: Andy Xie is former Asia head for Morgan Stanley who
left the profession to work as a financial journalist from Shanghai.)
(mod: you can call this “clickbait” and hobble your readers or you can expand the frame of reference.
i know how a cult mentality works.)
finally, in war antagonists increasingly resemble each other. think of it. from the stirrup to now when
everything is war. human behavior functions as mimesis. there’s a scapegoat system.
basic Rene Girard; good memorial in NYRB.
in the larger framework we’re converging. this ideological militance is self-defeating.
if you don’t want to believe Bannon and Bass, this should play out soon.
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China’s financial system is way more leveraged than that of the West – US or Europe
False. External debt, public and private:
China, 15% of GDP (March 2019)
US, 115% of GDP (Dec 2018)
UK, 313% of GDP (Dec 2017)
The external debt is what counts; a debt denominated in a country’s own currency can be dealt with easily, without a need for foreign currency. From the above, it’s clear that China is in vastly better fiscal condition than the U.S. or the U.K.
I think the above debunks the rest of your comment too.
And China sits on massive private savings, piles of gold and US Treasuries and a population that actually sees its elites as ruling for the common good, not just for the rich, as in the West. And it is beginning to dominate intellectual property and patents, too, as its scientific-technological level rises inexorably.
You have so many false claims that I don’t even know which one to refute, e.g.
“there’s too much satellite evidence to deny the mass internment camps of China’s Muslim minority.” – of course, you can tell from the satellite whether it is an internment camp or not? LOL, can’t get more silly than that.
“China’s financial system is way more leveraged than that of the West – US or Europe” – US and Europe’s debts are much higher because they consume, China produces. If you don’t understand this, God also can’t help you.
“what Trump is doing with his tariff hikes raises the ante to where China can’t play.” – So you still believe Trump when he says: “trade war is easy to win”? It has been almost 2 years since the trade war started, how come China is still “playing”?
@d.dan: “US and Europe’s debts are much higher because they consume, China produces. If you don’t understand this, God also can’t help you.”
Is this a U$ Article of Faith? I ask because I met a Yussie in Phillie about half a century ago who assured me: It’s better to consume a lot and be deep in debt than to produce a lot and have little debt.
To me it sounds like Religion not Reason. Could you please explain your reasoning, and why you think even God can’t help Cyril?
https://youtu.be/eI9ayLlTX-s?list=RDeI9ayLlTX-s
https://youtu.be/eI9ayLlTX-s?list=RDeI9ayLlTX-s
Apologies to d.dan, I mistook him for bogdan; d.dan was actually quoting bogdan but only in order to refute him. All clear now.
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obviously, none of you have opened the links.
i can vouch the argument is tight, dense, cohesive and professional.
enough said.
Bannon and Bass is… well… for western media.
Thats as gently as possible I could put it RE: the youtube in realvision.
Andy was much better, but he, I believe, may not be in the loop anymore.
be well
Do you believe China’s debt is more leveraged than the United States? Not even close. Let’s have a close look at the Western Central Banking era, beginning around 1720, in London, England. It’s basis has always been imperialism (if there’s one thing Lenin got right, it was imperialism). This is what allowed a debt based fiat currency to become a world currency, i.e. “Credit”. That is, nothing has been created or produced, yet you owe me. It is by virtue of power.
Almost everyone believes the U.S. dollar will evaporate. It won’t. History shows that the senior currency always (that’s ALWAYS with capitals) strengthens during an economic contraction/recession/depression. We have had six catastrophic depressions since the 1720, and the senior currency gained in purchasing power.
Why does the senior currency/reserve currency strengthen despite all the “quantitative easing”, which in simpler terms means lower interest rates, cheap money? It is due to the power of interest rate of which all debt is purchased. For the last 75 years, the world’s debt is almost all in U.S. dollars.
In other words, debt has become exponential. The world is short of dollars. First we hear Turkey’s Lira takes a hit, that means the Turks have run out of dollar reserves; next is Argentina, followed by India and China. Currency depreciation means one thing: insufficient dollar reserves. Period.
One often hears that all China has to do to implode the U.S. is sell all it’s U.S. Treasuries. Horsefeathers. Those Treasuries are the very liquidity necessary to obtain dollars to conduct payment and trade in dollars. They need those dollars for transactions.
The key point in a depression is that debt has become “exponential.” Just take a look at the $U.S. Dollar chart. After 911, the Yanks thought they could inflate the debt away, and reverse the trade deficit. The dollar eventually fell to 62. Today, it’s at 99. It’s one long uptick. The senior currency in strengthening because people are having to sell everything they own to service their debt.
Read the papers in the 1920’s. The British Pound was going to fail, it was worthless, etc. It’s purchasing power strengthened thru the late 20’s and 1930’s despite the depression. It was the senior currency.
Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela have the right idea. Do not trade in dollars. The problem is the dollar debt is massive, and overhangs the world like a net. It’s Father Time knocking at the door.
We live in an age best described by Marx as Surplus Value. Over production. Everyone has two televisions, two cars, two bikes, to too much of everything. One can drive around my neighbourhood and furnish a house with all the crap people put out on the side of the street.
As we print money and it goes into circulation, new mines are built, new factories, etc., until we have so much that storage fees are a problem. Look at the commodity index, it has plunged. We are awash in commodities.
Money goes straight into the stock market and credit markets. That is where inflation is. It is the last refuge before the debt monster, Depression, takes everything.
Nobody escapes this coming depression. Nobody.
Interesting… you seem to have put some thoughts to the conundrum of China…
and unlike the current trending narratives – I actually broadly agree with you…
but we need to go to the finer details, which if you read Chinese correctly, could be totally opposite from the ‘broadly agreed’ and changes everything!
Maybe “conundrum” you listed here is – by designed – a design spun hundred of years ago!
and we probably need go back further into history (much further than the few decade since CCP birth to really talk about China the middle Kingdom)
Here’s my take on the following…
1) “China’s financial system is way more leveraged than that of the West” – True and true, its not a spider web as the west. That’s means, by design, the Chinese are free to change to a new system whenever, with or without the west. “THE SWITCH” I mentioned b4.
Note also, there is no more accounting standard, with all the black books and dark pools. So talking about debt is just a ‘perceived honesty yardstick’, if not a cruel bad joke these days. Why not allow the hot money to build some bridges, city in the desert and yes, build some island too! Is not like the west intend and capable to pay back their debts?
2) “the mass internment camps” – True and they are there because the dissidents were paid by foreign agents to steal, kill and destroy the peace in the population, not just directly causing harm to CCP. They are all trained, by their western handlers, to used the local population as ‘collateral damage’ to inflict the greatest chaos, just like HK.
—> Josh Wrong just have to go ask his own grandma, ‘Did the colonial British give you and freedom and rights of free speech, grandma?” Or the old Brits did not even treat the HK locals as human and classify them as dogs, literally. All gov are regimes. Period.
Its beyond clear…
We have no control or lost control of them all. They are not representative of The People (anymore or ever before) esp under the old roman extension system, which basically is today’s western world of religion and politics. (Note – this can be change and can fail and definitely not the only ‘truth’ ever spun on earth)
So…
For us (for now) —> Let’s try hard not to be their ‘collateral damage’ grade. Fate and luck will be your handlers. May your god be kinder to you.
Others, if you will, if you felt you are called, if you know you are destined, will fight – with bodies and/or with weapons and/or with “magic”.
Lastly, Andy Xie has some interesting views… (I believe that was some years ago?)
but let us learn to read much deeper into why and in what context such TV personalities say whatever they say… Same rule applies to the east.
The most-free-speech country on earth, atm, I think is Russia. They literally do not hold back on very sharp ends while still able to hold a very intelligent debate.
I wholeheartedly agree with Larchmonter445 – This is a v.v.v.v.v.v astute and profound insight!
“The reason the Chinese have stated their strategic relationship and acted in coordination with Russia, more and more every day, is their sense of need of Russia’s titanium spine against the Hegemon. China knows it is not strong enough to handle the storm. “
And somebody posted b4…
when peace time finally come along next… India will be the biggest benefactor.
Lets agree to outlast “them” and meet in the peace time coming next…
pls do be safe, you and your family and your country
The same America that is waging wars of aggression against Muslim nations like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, or Yemen–slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people in the process–now sheds crocodile tears for Uighur Muslims in China.
Indeed, the same America that has concentration camps for undocumented Latinx immigrants in the USA–including putting their children in cages–makes false allegations about “mass internment camps” in China.
Psychological projection is a defining American core value in which the USA tries pathetically to project its malign national character onto its geopolitical opponents.
Welcome to the world of Orwellian American values in all their delusional glory.
Freedom, democracy, and human rights are truly the American Empire’s version of the Western Civilizing Mission and White Boy’s Burden–a propaganda pretext for American imperialism.
No, the UN did not report China has ‘massive internment camps’ for Uighur Muslims
https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/
Very interesting!!
China only joined the globalised economy following the principle of “If you can’t beat them” and is on the way to beating the West at its own game. Hence the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
China can always go back to its communist roots and nationalise any industry that is socially necessary but unable to function because of the economic war waged on it. The West could do the same but ideology prevents it. The West could voluntarily stop its predatory economic system but then they would no longer be “The West”.
Titanmachia: war of the titans; any projection, moral or otherwise, upon the thunderous clashing of fearsome giants, by little wee mortals, is absurdity (or great wisdom). We should reject any attempt to paint black and white, what is by nature, a wavelength emitting noumenon, and not simply a tangential reflection of inner nuance. But, to be kind, all mortals live the same life, despite the pretenses; and freeing from distractions, our darkly weighted spirit, isn’t anything to take lightly. So, who’s to say a titan can be guilty of any mortal charge? —or compelled by any mortal fear . . .
It really shows that Trump is an idiot and has zero real power.I would not be surprised if the Deep State decide to kill him.Anyway they will NEVER allow him to be reelected not even be candidate.This is too risky for the corrupted establishment.Trump promised a lot he did not deliver anything.Yesterday he announced that the troops will leave Syria.Less than 12 hours after both Pentagone and State Dept cancelled the order.The Ukrainegate is going on full force and the Russiagate is back tonight.
https://sputniknews.com/us/201910091076992976-intentions-remain-unclear-us-committee-publishes-report-on-russian-meddling-in-2016-elections/
This is clearly a ‘coup’,a reverse color revolution with regime change in their own country.These warmongers need a real hot war since 2014,as they know pretty well that the financial system is about to collapse.They have been good,they managed to survive 11 years since 2008 with fake money printing but we are reaching the end game(negative interest rates,even more debts,very big repo necessary..12 times bigger than in 2008)Recession or even depression is about to reach both the US and the EU.Growth is also decreasing in the rest of the world due to stupid trade wars.They are at war with both Russia and China,not to forget Iran and Venezuela.Ecuador is now in a near revolution.Power will change of hands in Argentina soon.Bolsonazi could be impeached in Brazil as Lula is more and more active in European msm(something must be in store?).
China did the big mistake like a lot of countries to buy 1 trillion of US debts,they should try a sell off even if they must make a big loss.For Russia this is already a done deal.
China and Russia have been far too patient,there is nothing to expect from the US controlled by the deep state whatever the puppet is president(since JFK).
https://www.voltairenet.org/article207764.html
Both China and Russia have now nothing to loose.No sanctions left against Russia and the same coming up for China.But the worst ennemy may be inside both countries,the fifth column.
China needs to give America a taste of its own medicine and start sanctioning and even arresting American regime leaders, organizations, and companies that are involved in America’s wars of aggression around the world from Iraq to Afghanistan to Libya to Syria to Yemen.
Of course, this would entail sanctioning and arresting the entire American political and corporate system, as they are all sucking at the teat of the American war machine and its serials wars of aggression throughout the planet–starting with America’s current War Criminal in Chief, Donald Trump.
America is preeminently guilty of the supreme international crime, as established by the Nuremberg Tribunal–waging wars against peace–and deserves to be exposed and punished as such.
“And if Trump does not get the USMCA through Congress this year, …”
Quick update on USMCA (or CUSMA if you prefer):
https://globalnews.ca/news/6007012/mexico-democrats-us-trade-deal/
Mulga Mumblebrain above:
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Fortunately, the USA’s trade-mark thuggish bullying here meets its Nemesis. An economic war on China just hastens the day when China will not need US high-tech, and a divided world will just congregate the loser boot-lickers, like Austfailia, in one refugee camp, while those tying themselves to China, or simply refusing to join the rejectionist camp, sailing off into the sunset. Of course Thanatopolis DC won’t allow that-they are ‘Exceptional’ after all, so war is certain.
Anonymous
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war is coming
These warmongers need a real hot war since 2014,as they know pretty well that the financial system is about to collapse.They have been good,they managed to survive 11 years since 2008 with fake money printing
China and Russia have been far too patient,there is nothing to expect from the US controlled by the deep state whatever the puppet is president(since JFK).
these posters and many others are not wrong. it is time for Putin and Ji Ping to stand up. war is clearly inevitable! l that may stop war is the clear willingness of Russia in particular to stand and tit for tat…kick out western NGO’s from Russia, close consulates..even the embassy reducing diplomatic relations to third party etc.
if if Russia does not start defending its citizens from American attack up they will encourage the USA to go to far probably necessitating the Russians themselves to precipitate war
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‘The reason the Chinese have stated their strategic relationship and acted in coordination with Russia, more and more every day, is their sense of need of Russia’s titanium spine against the Hegemon. China knows it is not strong enough to handle the storm.’ eoq
I see all this but I also watch what is happening in Russia..or with Russia relative to humiliation heaped on Russia by the USA and Putin totally unresponsive. I have been noting this for a long time and like Paul Craig Roberts scratching my head about Russia/Putin.
http://www.unz.com/proberts/will-the-russians-ever-learn/
if China depends on Russia, especially for spinal buttress..what in the hell do we have here when Russia does not stand up for its own citizens..will Russian stand up for China?
Ben
As much as admire PCR for his commentary and his outspoken courage I am afraid I cannot agree with him on this sentiment from your link…”There is no reason whatsoever for Russia to be so afraid of the United States, a bankrupt, socially degenerating country…”
From where I am standing there is every reason in the world to fear this wounded and reckless Hegemon, mainly because at least half of Washington’s war council is comprised of evangelical rapturist nutjobs who eagerly anticipate and even salivate over the prospect of a final showdown.
As totally frustrating as it has to be in dealing with these malicious imbeciles, both Putin and Xi must continue to tread carefully….very carefully. Besides, why do anything at all…Trump and his team are doing an admirable job of finishing off the Hegemon…for goodness sake leave them to it… let them go for it…why interfere!
Washington has been burning up diplomatic capital since soon after the end of WW2…the Drumpf admin has stoked it into a raging bonfire. In all their exceptionalism and institutionalized hypocrisy they will never understand the old saying…”I have met the enemy and he is us”. I am in no doubt whatsoever that the other two major players know this only too well and that by the time it does finally dawn on Murica at large, the empire will be already lost.
Cheers
Col
Col,
Agree completely.
I read PCR regularly. He admonishes Russia for not standing up. But I see Putin and Russia playing a waiting game.
I have had this feeling since 2016 that Trump will make America great again by collapsing the empire and giving it an opportunity to re-grow free of the shackles of billionaires, deep state, and israel.
Thanks Larchmonter – wonderful opinion piece – it simply states it all….really excellent
ann
China has been on a charm offensive to sell more countries on its BRI initiative and to allay fears that it will be a new hegemon. It certainly can counter the US, but it will be on its own terms. The tail will not wag this dog.
When it comes down to brass tacks, China can withstand totally disconnecting with the US on trade. Though it would be painful, exports to the US amount to 18% of total exports and about 4% of GDP. The pain would be mutual however, and in an election year to boot.
Beyond ‘trade’, there is the matter of China holding $1trillion in US debt. Not s small thing. And, getting back to trade, China could simply say “no rare earths for you” as it controls 90% of the world’s supply, including having a financial stake in the US’s only rare earth mining operation.
While China will undoubtedly buttress its position among its friends, it doesn’t need to borrow a spine from Russia. Just as Russia has said “never again” to fighting a war on its own territory, so China has said “never again” to the “Century of Humiliation”.
Never. Again. As in Not Ever.
Yes, indeed, China has a large financial stake in the US’s only rare earth mining operation, as well as in the Australian and almost everybody else’s rare earth mining operations! China is patiently doing business as usual with the rest of the world… It has already won this tradewar (as well as other hot wars with its alliance with Russia) – it is just a question of time until the rest of the world recognizes it.
There are a number of salient factors few of you realize and/or comprehend. Russia and China are playing the long game, President Trump has been hobbled since they were still counting votes in ’16 amongst many others.
Has everyone forgotten the screams for ‘impeachment’ before they even announced the ‘official’ vote tallies? Has everyone forgotten the false ‘Russian involvement’ in the election process? Has everyone forgotten the continuous, and generally successful, attacks on all Trump’s picks for his advisers and department heads? Has no one noticed the steadily growing, and ludicrous, crescendo of screams against Trump from the supposed ‘neutral’ media? Even Russia Today has at times fallen for the West Media’s anti President Trump campaign, but then that is not surprising, RT wants so bad to be considered ‘western’. And what of Department of Defense openly disobeying an order from the Commander in Chief? Are all of you blind to the ongoing and ever increasing coup d’etat against the legally elected and sitting President of the United States of America?
Putin and Xi are buying time. Yes, it’s an annoyance to have ever increasing sanctions and actions bordering on outright war, the arrests of citizens on patently false charges, the outright theft of properties and blatant attempted destruction of firms large and small, but which one is ‘the last straw’? Both leaders have seen the total and hideous destruction war, real war, brings and neither will ever have that destruction again on their land, clearly stated by both Putin and Xi. Neither has ever said they won’t fight on ‘someone else’s’ land, and if push comes to shove I have few doubts that what seems to be the war Foggy Bottom and Five Points are so eagerly pushing for will bring destruction and death to continental US the likes of which neither entity can fathom, plus destruction to Europe again that will boggle the mind.
Why do you think I’ve mentioned on occasion the fact that old comrades and friends are ‘going home’, moving back to the heartland, the small cities and towns that are the backbone of USA and far away from the tempting and juicy targets festooned all along the coast of Continental USA, far away from, according to them, the hedonistic plethora of raving maniacs who have taken over the society and government of USA? As more than one has said, quoting an old quote, ‘an ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure’.
As I’ve often said, be careful what you pray for, you might get it, and if Russia and/or China reacts to the constant cusp-of-war actions against them, they will do so in their own manner and their own time, and if and when they do react, may God have mercies on your souls because they won’t.
Auslander
Author
Never The Last One, paperback edition. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1521849056 A deep look in to Russia, her culture and her Armed Forces, in essence a look at the emergence of Russian Federation.
An Incident On Simonka, paperback edition. https://www.amazon.com/dp/1696160715 NATO Is Invited To Leave Sevastopol, One Way Or The Other.
A very good read of the Russian/Chinese long game in their chess match vis-à-vis the US, Auslander. But I disagree that Russia and China are ‘buying time’. They don’t need to ‘buy’ anything. I read their moves simply as ‘soberly watching that gorilla sloshing down that slippery slope, faster than even during the Bush/Obama eras’. There isn’t the need to do anything as that gorilla is squandering its own hard-earned pile of soft power.
Sanctions against Russia does little to impede Russia’s long term plan of building up/diversifying its economy. Tariff and sanction against China do little to impede China’s long term plan of setting up the alternative trade regime in BRI or upgrading its own industrial capabilities. Color revolution in Ukraine hurts only those Ukrainians who are anti-Russia in the first place. Color revolution in Hong Kong hurts only the small fraction of Chinese who are westerners-wanna-be in the first place. Taiwan/Tibet/Xinjiang are simply the gorilla’s pipe dreams of inciting Chinese killing Chinese–people there know how to spell the word ‘suicide’. Twisting the arms of its vassals in the Middle East, Japan, Korea, and western Europe are only hurting its own ‘coalition of the willing’. So, how is anything the gorilla’s doing amount to anything that may under mind either Russia’s or China’s goals?
Where is the need for either to do anything to counter the gorilla’s follies? All they need to do is to flash their military capabilities as warnings to the gorilla to not cross the redline of launching a hot war; they have both done that recently and convincingly. Now they can simply sit back and watch the gorilla squirm, waste away, and turn into a monkey. Multipolarity on the blue planet is coming along on schedule.
“Putin and Xi are buying time”. My Premise: Putin cannot stay additionally in office for a long time. So: Are there “proteges who are as skilled as he? If not, I fear greatly for, minimally, the land of my birth.
Have a look at some of the recently appointed Governors. Some are showing considerable administrative skills. I suspect one of them will be the next President of Russia, with Putin as an advisor for a transitional period.
My thoughts are the laws will be changed so VVP can serve another term as President. Nothing definite, just a feeling I have. Time will tell.
Auslander
“Has everyone forgotten the false ‘Russian involvement’ in the election process?”
How can we forget the f a c t that Russia put Trump in power? The media remind us of this horrible fact approximately every day.
Roman on October 09, 2019 · at 4:59 pm EST/EDT
“How can we forget the f a c t that Russia put Trump in power?.”
What sort of “fact” is that? After two years of searching for proof of that; A.G. Barr (I think it was) turned up NOTHING, zero, zilch, niente, nichts, rien, etc. A “nothingburger” as someone called it, if ever there was.
How did they “put Trump in power”? With a small advertising campaign that hardly mentioned the election? How did they swing the Electoral College? If it were true, the pundits who tell US politicians how to win elections would all be in St Petersburg, studying technique.
Trump was elected because he made some promise that people wanted to see turned into policies and the candidate he was opposing was so ghastly. The Russians had minimal – zero influence on the result.
“The media remind us of this horrible fact approximately every day.”
Are you so naive that you believe anything the msm tell you? The msm are the propaganda arm of the ruling class. They have about as much respect for the truth (Of anything outside the sport, the weather and the stock market figures for yesterday) as Trump has! Maybe even less.
US policy is constipated by its excessive hubris and arrogance.
Australian governments, both Tweedledee and Tweedledum, have been very busy over the past several years, planning for, putting out tenders and purchasing multi billion dollar weapons of mass murder, in the form of fighter jets, submarines and drone technology.
Was this done under the heavy, bloody hands of the MIC?
Was this done to impress the Indonesian Generals?
Was this done to intimidate the Chinese government ?
Will any sons or daughters of the Australian ruling class be flying those jets, or manning those submarines?
Those submarines won’t be ready anytime soon. It is an untested French design. Instead of settling for short-range quiet cheap defensive submarines, they have opted for the precise opposite. It is another boondoggle.
Even if they get the boats, they won’t be able to crew them. The RAN has enough troubles crewing three Collins boats.
If you watch The Drum on the ABC sewer, today, with its usual guest list of hard Right thugs, abusing the climate extinction protestors, lying about them and deriding the reality of rapid anthropogenic climate destabilisation, as the country falls deeper and deeper into drought, and megafires rage in early spring, you will note that all that money spent to please our US Masters and Lockheed, Raytheon and Boeing in particular, will be wasted, because we will certainly have greater problems to worry about than attacking China.
Unfortunately for the world, China won’t be destroyed so easily. Even if Tibet, Uygur, Hong Kong, and Taiwan break away, China will still remain a threat with their global ambitions.
I really don’t understand the pro-China sentiment here. Enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend. I doubt the pro-Chinese commenters here would cheer for China if a country or people they cared about were labeled terrorists and put in concentration camps en mass. The same people defending China blindly would flip out if the US claimed Russian areas of the arctic the same way China is laying claims on the entire South China Sea. It has gotten to a point where one can’t even criticize China without attracting ad hominem attacks.
Russia doesn’t need China, and she has nothing to gain other than a temporary alliance against American aggression. It would be foolish to trust the Chinese and let their people and business flood into the country and take over everything.
Dictionaire des Idees Recus (Dictionary of Readymade Opinions)
Corey on October 09, 2019 · at 10:42 am EST/EDT
1. if Tibet, Uygur, Hong Kong, and Taiwan break away
2. China will still remain a threat
3. with their global ambitions.
4. the pro-China sentiment here.
5. Enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend.
6. China … concentration camps en mass.
7. China is laying claims on the entire South China Sea.
8. Russia doesn’t need China
9. It would be foolish to trust the Chinese
10. their people and business flood into the country and take over everything.
11. one can’t even criticize China without attracting ad hominem attacks.
Corey is, in my opinion, a fabulously ignorant and brainwashed Sinophobe. It’s all the rage, don’t ya know?
You’re free to believe what you want; it doesn’t change the reality. But the very fact that you constantly resort to personal attacks without actually refuting any of my points says a lot about the kind of person you are and the sheer ignorance and hatred that clouds your mind.
But I guess I now understand why you support China so much: you share their intolerance and hostility for independent thinking.
Corey I couldn’t agree with you more. Mulga can’t refute the facts you’ve presented, so he stoops to lashing out at you personally. It’s bizarre how he gets away with this abuse. Same with others who behave the same way.
You will note that the article posted here by Larchmonter ends by concluding that China is not strong enough to withstand the storm: that is abundantly clear. Chinese GDP growth has already tanked to 5-6% and that’s an inflated number. The supply chain of components that feeds China’s manufactured goods and high tech hardware sector is moving away.
Just yesterday, I saw an interview of the ex ceo of Walmart admit that his colleagues were moving away from sourcing goods from China to other countries due to the fact that Walmart could no longer absorb the cost of Trump’s tariffs.
This whole idea that China will save Russia and the multi polar order is failing. As Larchmonter pointed out, it’s Russia that provides the ‘titanium’ spine, not transactional, opportunistic and pragmatic China.
Well-our bromance didn’t last long.
Come on mulga, there you go again jumping to an extreme conclusion. Just because Corey made a completely legitimate point regarding your penchant for personal attacks when the facts go against you, and I fully agree with it, does not mean that I don’t appreciate that you could be a subject matter expert on Australia and that you might have a good heart.
It’s just when you behave like a troll or destroy your credibility by having double standards, you can’t blame people to call you out for it.
Given the amount of energy you have, it would be great if you could educate the rest of us on your part of the world, that includes the littoral and neighbors of Australia. You have to admit given that the region is on the periphery, compounded by the fact that it is in the Southern hemisphere, it tends to get neglected. I’m quite serious, I think your knowledge could be very valuable, and people would be grateful. I know I would be.
Anaam, Corey made an undisguised appeal to China’s destruction. What would you say if someone turned up here and stated that ‘Unfortunately INDIA won’t be destroyed so easily..’? And then he made a number of observations that were Sinophobic and asserted that the Chinese were not trust-worthy. Surely you can see that that is not a decent contribution to the thread. You could, ignorantly, assert that the ‘Chinese leadership’ is not trust-worthy, but to assert that ‘the Chinese’ are not so, is, I would say, racist. Do you see my point?
“I really don’t understand the pro-China sentiment here.”
Could be that some people have studied China a bit more thoroughly than you have and have admired their grit and determination to make China a better place for all their population to live in.
“Enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend.”
True.
” I doubt the pro-Chinese commenters here would cheer for China if a country or people they cared about were labeled terrorists and put in concentration camps en mass.”
How do you feel about the USA’s destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, and dozens of other countries which have had their economies and elected governments destroyed by the USG, How do you feel about the killing by sanctions of 500,000 Iraqi children by US sanctions before the Gulf wars, that Madelan Albright, US SoS said was “worth it”.? How do you feel about the children and adults in Syria, Venezuela and Iran who are suffering and dying because of US sanctions today?
These Uigers, that you say are suffering and have been imprisoned en masse, were recently inspected by a delegation of 14 members, from the Organization of Islamic Countries, that went to Xinjiang and took themselves around and came back with a report that was very favourable, complimentary even, to the Chinese government. (How, as a matter of curiosity, would you deal with Islamic terrorists if you were dictator of an Islamic country that suffered from Islamic terrorist activity?)
“The same people defending China blindly would flip out if the US claimed Russian areas of the arctic the same way China is laying claims on the entire South China Sea.”
The US and the rest of the world, had no problem with the Chinese claiming the whole of the South China Sea until 1/10/1949.
It has gotten to a point where one can’t even criticize China without attracting ad hominem attacks.” Ah! Diddums!
Not ‘foolish’ at all!
I really hope Chinese tech firms like Huawei use and promote their own free and open source software for their devices, both smartphone OSs and apps. To hell with Google’s Android, which claims to be open source but with Google in control you can be sure there will be all kind of backdoors in it.
I hope the new Huawei Harmony smartphone OS takes off big time, that they keep it strictly open source and make the source code available. If China will commit to developing and promoting open source software and software transparency, it will be both a feather in its cap and difficult for the West to demonise it as spyware.
Chris, I hope so too. It is infuriating, the way Google Android saved money by building their system on open source Linux and then closing it off. Like closing off the commons in England. It’s a sort of Intellectual Landgrabbing.
Uncle Sam and his satellites lose no opportunity to attack Russia, China, and all independent nations.
Military attacks and threats, economic strangulation, subversion, support for terrorism, false flags, venomous propaganda warfare, attacks on Russian and Chinese companies, sport, diplomats, and ordinary citizens, kidnapping them from third countries and imprisoning them for decades.
Both have been far too reticent in responding and retaliating.
Russia should have broken off diplomatic relations completely the instant its diplomatic premises and the homes of its diplomats were invaded. On the grounds of self respect alone.
The joint space programme and the NATO supply route to Afghanistan should have been closed down immediately.
An embargo on the export of nuclear fuel, titanium, rocket engines, rare earth.
China should have dumped $1 trillion of Treasury debt.
All debt repayments to western banks should have been frozen, with payments going into blocked accounts in Russian/ Chinese banks.
The scope of counter sanctions should have been greatly expanded to include cars, electrical goods, clothing, alcohol, tobacco.
The US and its satellites should be treated openly for what they are, vile, implacable, hate filled enemies not open to any agreement or negotiation.
Anything less is just taken as weakness.
Thank you, mail, for putting these thoughts very precisely. Exactly what I have been thinking all along.
No doubt, Mr. Putin’s comment about building out China’s early warning system has set some heads spinning. I would be interested to know what Xi’s option are at this point. Certainly, he needs Putin’s help very badly, but beyond that, does he have any way to push back? My sense is that the US is playing a game of chicken, throwing everything they have, short of missiles, at Xi, hoping to scare him into retreat. If he were to pursue, quickly, a handful of tactics, what would they be?
Larchmonter, with regards to the US destroying China’s wealth, I totally agree with you that,
“No Chinese citizen doesn’t understand what is going on. They are unified that the US is trying to destroy what they built in the last 40 years.”
I am sure the inauspicious symbolism of the swine flu killing off pigs during the Year of the Pig (2019), is not lost on them. Pigs are symbols of wealth. I think the Chinese know this confrontation with the US is going to cost them.
What I don’t understand is the US. It seems very short-sighted of them to bully China. China has a monopoly on pharmaceutical manufacturing of certain antibiotics and generics. China also has a near-monopoly on rare earths required for computers, batteries etc.
Here is an article where some democrats are discussing how Chinese monopoly in pharmaceutical manufacturing affects national security. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-rely-on-china-for-pharmaceutical-drugs-thats-a-security-threat/2019/09/10/5f35e1ce-d3ec-11e9-9343-40db57cf6abd_story.html
China can retaliate in many ways. The have many cards to play. I think what we will be seeing is more joint coordination with Russia, but this time with China taking on a lead role.
Serbian Girl,
Not for the first time you have an insight that I wish was mine. Year of the Pig attacked with swine fever. Brilliant.
We know the history of CIA and these viruses that attack nations that don’t obey the Hegemon. Dengue fever is another staple of the Agency.
I salute you for this insightful observation.
Thank you for your very kind words, Larchmonter!
I agree this swine fever is very peculiar. It’s actually an outbreak of Ebola- a virus that is/was limited in geographic area on the African continent, had a mortality rate of 50%, and could only be transmitted via direct contact with body fluids. Strange how it managed to leap frog to Asia, pigs seem to be catching it as if it were airborne, and it has a mortality rate of over 80% (pig death rate)..
Already back in 2014, when freak Ebola outbreaks were becoming more common, Russian scientists were wondering about it’s “pathogenicity and prevalence”…claiming there was something artificial about it…
https://www.rt.com/news/178992-ebola-biological-weapon-terrorists/
You might find “Was there an AIDS contract?” interesting.
http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Urgent_Action/AIDS_Contract.htmlhttps://www.africa.upenn.edu/Urgent_Action/AIDS_Contract.html
The USA deliberately infected Cuba with African Swine Fever back in the ’70s or ’80s. And at the beginning of this epidemic it was reported that it had ‘escaped’ from the Lugar laboratory, run by the USA, in Georgia, in the Caucasus. I fully expect a lethal pandemic to be produced by the USA, using zoonoses and CRISPR and other recombinant DNA processes, to exterminate most of the planet’s population, and it will occur soon. I just extrapolate from their previous record, in such a speculation.
Well said Larchmonter! I totally agree with your last sentence “China knows it is not strong enough to handle the storm.” Yes indeed. They are not strong enough.
Russia, on the other hand, has real power, and not where most people think it is, it’s not primarily because of Russia’s massive Superpower scale nuclear arsenal, nor their massive nuclear submarine fleet, nor their new decades lead in super weapons. In my opinion, the primary source of Russia’s power stems from its unmatched intelligence agencies (and their ability to infiltrate their enemies), its unmatched counterintelligence apparatus, the smooth coordination of its leadership, diplomacy, military, state owned enterprises (rosneft), their historical network of relationships in almost every country, their communications apparatus whether internet or conventional TV and, finally, Putin and his team.
China, with respect to their diplomatic, intelligence sophistication, statecraft and smooth coordination, the nimbleness and sophistication of their military and their depth in primary high technology research is not in the same league as Russia. China is still too dependent on exports to the West and too dependent on primary level high technology components imports from western multinational factories and labs in ASEAN that are required as inputs their for finished “Assembled (not made) in China” electronic and software products. The huge trade surplus they’ve imposed on the US and other trading partners means China is on the losing end of the US trade war. The US can and is transferring the supply chain to other countries (mainly ASEAN).
I don’t believe any of these actions is based on racial discrimination, that is self diminishing whining that blinds them to their own mistakes; mistakes such as deliberately imposing mercantile trade policies against their major export markets, leading to huge trade surpluses, then falling into the trap of eventually becoming dependent on these trade surpluses.
The Chinese manufacturing sector began to move part of their capacity to Vietnam years ago. They also have other nations where they have invested capital and technologies. So, the phenomenon is not US-led or forced.
Labor costs over the last half-decade forced the issue, not tariffs.
As for the winner or loser of the Trade War, such wars last more than a few years. When this war ends, China will have replaced the US market with Eurasia. 330 million people will be dwarfed by 3.5 billion people. Belts and Roads Initiative (BRI) actually touches beyond Eurasia. Europe, Africa and Latin America are a few billion more people China will be selling to.
Meanwhile, the US will have squandered the brain power of millions (250,000 students a year) of the best Asian minds for its high tech R&D at universities and labs. The Chinese will be at home developing the next great things. Check the last ten years of US patents and you will see the names are not All American.
Underestimating your adversary is the swiftest road to defeat.
I never think a nation so primed for success, so driven for wealth, so populated by hard workers, so ambitious and so resilient would be a pushover for the US competitor.
The victor in this clash of economies and ideologies will be the people who create and innovate the best, the swiftest. Take a look at the last decade and see who has been leading in this race so far.
Pumpkin lattes are not high tech.
I would point you to Space. Look at how the Chinese organized and executed their ‘backside of the Moon’ project. That will give you a taste of what is to come.
Then look at 5G. They are well ahead, so far ahead that the US is blackmailing the world, terrorizing allies to keep them from adopting Huawei 5G.
The US can’t compete. It hasn’t competed in a long time.
It’s boats and ships for the Navy are junk. Whole classes of them (Littoral) have been abandoned. Carriers are a disaster. The F-35 is incapable of working in the rain and must stand off 250 miles from a combat zone because it can’t take on Russian Su-35s or Su-57s.
Larchmonter,
You wrote: “Underestimating your adversary is the swiftest road to defeat.”
Yet the Cheerleaders-of-China are guilty of exactly that with respect to their underestimating the United States and any other “pole” in the emerging multipolar world.
The supply chains are moving out of China, now, based on the trade war. China’s economy is suffering while the US economy has continued to exhibit low unemployment. GDP stats out of China are not trustworthy, this was even leaked by Chinese leaders: a 5 or 6% growth is not good enough for China’s conditions and these figures are inflated base on shipping stats. The proof is apparent when you see the economic slow down of all of the states that supply China with it’s raw materials (like Australia, Brazil, etc.).
I am the person the made people here aware of how sophisticated and advanced Chinese radio technology was compared to western mobile and mast gear, over 4 years ago. I am intimately aware of it (i can’t elaborate further due to NDAs) and this technology was based on original research carried out at Chinese R&D megacomplexes owned by Huawei and ZTE (and other Chinese organizations). I am one of the last people to ever support the racist self defeating lie that “China only copies and clones and is incapable of original R&D or creativity”, because I’ve actually seen and thoroughly evaluated their original tech, and it’s world class (although a little fragile in quality). I think you’ll agree with me that that kind of idiotic assumption “that Chinese are somehow less gifted in creativity and in original thinking”, is so utterly stupid and contrary to the facts, that it is beneath contempt; the Chinese didn’t build a large advanced civilization thousands of years before Western Europeans (ie., UK/Germany/etc who were in a primitive hunter gatherer stage during those times, and remember Rome is not part of Western Europe) if the Chinese weren’t creative, organized, capable and technically adept -it’s in their cultural DNA. The same logic applies to those Chinese supremacists and their sycophants that idiotically think that China is superior to Indians even though Indian civilization is much older than China’s and was obviously more advanced for thousands of years before China caught up in the 2nd century AD (based on share of global GDP).
What you seem to have missed (probably my fault, since I should have been clearer) is that the core components, ie the CPUs, the DSPs, the radio chips, etc (is the entire component base of the electronics for China’s high tech sector) are Western designed and owned. It’ll take China years to build and replace that ecosystem, time they don’t have and it’s too late. This is why Huawei caved-in so quickly when the US threatened to cutoff access to the component chips (ARM cores, US based DSP processors, etc.) (ARM, is U.K. based but defacto have to comply with US diktat, in any case ARM was built on technology originally stolen from the American designer of the 6502, an interesting anecdote). Just look at a similar example of Japan cutting off South Korea from components critical to Korean High tech, once the stocks of Japanese chips, materials, etc. are exhausted, the Koreans are going to be in trouble.
Consumer electronics are an entirely different kettle of fish than the electronics and CPUs (controllers, etc) that are required to support military systems: in consumer electronics you need to have the fastest, latest and greatest and cheap and in volume. For military applications that doesn’t hold true because even slow or mid range processors (that are entirely indigenous) are more than good enough for most realtime-OS based military applications (the US Space Shuttle was controlled by CPUs that were much slower than an Intel 80386). Also, the price per chip is irrelevant compared to the cost of the overall weapon system. Saker’s example of the Soviet era networked MiG-31 is another good example of this point. This is why China, Russia and now even (increasingly) India can be non dependent on Western CPUs, DSPs and other core chips when it comes to national security applications and systems, but not when it comes to the equivalent CPUs et.al. required for the consumer market.
China is going to have to change and re-evaluate their policies, they will have to comply closer with Putin’s model of a multipolar world. Even if Trump is unseated (which I don’t think will happen), the precedent has been set in the US with respect to China.
The real US unemployment rate is vastly greater than 3.5% if you take into account discouraged workers, and the involuntarily underemployed. China’s economy, the biggest on Earth in PPP terms since 2014, is growing at 6% plus, twice as fast as the USA, which is slowing rapidly. The US economy is highly financialised and parasitical, too, with mountains of unpayable debt. Regretably, India, a great and ancient civilization, is slipping into an economic downturn, and fascistic rule by the RSS subsidiary, the BJP, and its anti-Moslem pogromist, Modi, while still mired in mass poverty, unlike China. And India will be most severely affected by anthropogenic climate destabilisation, rendering much of the country more or less uninhabitable, a truly great tragedy, but one of many that will afflict the world. No-one in the right mind claims that China is ‘superior’ to India, as both are ancient civilizations that gave much to humanity, often in direct or indirect concert. However, China has clearly had a far more gifted and far-sighted ruling elite than China over the last seventy years, hence the great differences we see today.
Your views on climate change have been thoroughly debunked here in the last article posted regarding the fake poster girl, Greta Thuneberg. If you really believe in the Empire generated hysteria regarding global warming, then your little desert Australia will be the first to fall off the cliff. You should limit your concerns for that.
China cannot replace the basic components chips that are western designed and built just magically, it takes years to build up the capacity, but by that time the west and it”s satraps, japan, Korea and Germany will be generations ahead with newer faster and cheaper chips and have defined the global standard regarding OS and App ecosystem. It takes extremely irrational magical thinking to think that China or any country can just solve the problem, just like that.
Yes India is undergoing a well deserved economic downturn, so what? What’s that got to do with anything regarding this article.
The Chinese are very astute at sifting out if someone is being a sycophant or sincere. You need to think about that if you’re planning to travel there.
Regarding debt, China has a horrible debt to GDP ratio, as bad as the USA, but without their printing press.
Your crocodile tears for Muslim oppression is exposed by your ignoring the pogroms and horrific religious oppression conducted against the Uyghurs. You can’t have any credibility on this issue until you admit that.
Three strikes-you’re out. China traded for chips with the West because it was cheaper, but now that the Real Evil Empire is using high-tech hardware and operating systems as weapons of war, I expect the Chinese will make their own, and better, in short order. Anthropogenic climate destabilisation is real, scientifically attested and observationally irrefutable, and denialism, so late in the day, is beyond regretable. And the Uighurs are NOT suffering pogroms and religious oppression, unlike the Moslems slaughtered in Gujarat in 2002, the scores murdered for eating cattle in recent times, and the millions living under hellish oppression in Kashmir for thirty years.
Mulga
My complete and response to you re Corey’s posting will be posted at a moveable feast cafe (as explained at the end of this comment)
Now regarding your above posting:
That was really immature of you. “Three strikes..” for what? Like this is a children’s game? Don’t answer that. —> it’s a rhetorical question. (I need to say that because you tend to be too literal).
Getting angry because you didn’t get an immediate response to your question to me regarding Corey’s characterization of the Chinese only makes you look bad. Your emotional outburst in the above posting only further underscores this.
Regarding Corey’s postings and the language he used in describing the Chinese it deserves an answer, but unfortunately, I had personal family emergencies (that’s right, several) to attend to so I had not fully read your query to me until today. However, for that particular topic, I will not respond here but at a future moveable feast cafe slot when it opens up and when I’m available. Because my response will be detailed and it would be more appropriate to post it there since the topic is about human behaviour and not just about China.
USA has defaulted on its debt 3 times since 1776, you fail to mention that.
The “US Dollar” through wars and what not has come&gone many times.
The average age of all fiat in human history is 45 years,
You confuse the US Gov, with its debt & currency, which can be manipulated as they wish.
Laslty, like the 3 times debt default of the USA, much of what is known, is not taught to USA people.
Last time I looked China’s export to USA was 15% of its total gross export, in other words if a full 100% of the export to USA from China was to be closed, it would have little to no effect to the Chinese people.
Much of what is said is just ego, that the USA is important and needed, this is a myth, only for the consumption of the goy, in occupied USA.
Go ahead build dTrumps wall, enclose the hairlip goy, let them cannibalize one another.
My prediction all along, and the reason Sheldon Adelson put dTrumpf in power is to turn the USA into the worlds largest gated whore-house.
You look at history of Trump-Epstein, and then what Adelson does in Nevada and Macao, and you can see that USA’s only purpose is a white-goy disneyland sex paradise for arab tourists.
Trump’s wall is to keep your children from escaping.
When you factor in the ownership by the USA of factories in China that produce goods exported to the USA, the ‘trade deficit’ disappears. As for technology required to be bought from the West, China did that because it was relatively cheap, and to assuage US trade tensions. Now that the USA is playing hard-ball, the Chinese will simply produce their own chips etc, and operating systems, and the USA can, and will, go to Hell. I imagine that smart Indians will get in on the action in China, too, as so many other foreigners have already done. China is the world’s leading trading nation and has negative trade balances, as of 2017, with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Malaysia, Brazil, Thailand, Saudi Arabia, South Africa etc.
“No Chinese citizen doesn’t understand what is going on.” Well, the Hong Kong-ers don’t seem to understand, unless you are categorizing them as still British Subjects.
But a propos that; American TV last week showed 3 American flags being paraded during a demonstration. Curious! One would not think that the Hong Kong people would want to do that (US imperialism in HK. and all that.) Nor would US TV want to show it, lest that be confirmation of foreign imperialism operating inChina. Thus: 1) why and by whom did it happen ? 2) Why did American TV show it?
The compradore terrorist vermin have been waving US and UK flags for a long time, and singing the US national anthem. The scum think their Western idols will come to their rescue, poor dumb Quislings that they are.
China has to hit the informal power that really governs in the US. I wouldn’t be surprised that a military coup is in preparation in the US , after all they’ve been doing it worldwide since at least the 2nd world war and master it. Very troubling times ahead, especially for America. China, Russia, Iran and let’s hope Europe (west) , India, BRICS are the pillards of hope for humanity to stop Evil from succeeding in implementing the “one world government”. Sensitizing the populations worldwide will help stop that project . Think of Gandhi who was able to build support for the liberation of India to the point that the Brits knew that they would never succeed against such a “raised” population . That’s the route but being able to show credible muscles is more than important , especially when applied against the leaders of this Evil empire.
Scott Ritter: Did China Just Announce the End of US Primacy in the Pacific? ……
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/did-china-just-announce-the-end-of-u-s-primacy-in-the-pacific/
For decades, the US has taken China’s ballistic missile capability for granted, assessing it as a low-capability force with limited regional impact and virtually no strategic value.
But on October 1, during a massive military parade celebrating the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic of China, Beijing put the US on notice that this assessment was no longer valid. In one fell swoop, China may have nullified America’s strategic nuclear deterrent, the US Pacific Fleet, and US missile defense capability.
Through its impressive display of new weapons systems, China has underscored the reality that while the US has spent the last two decades squandering trillions of dollars fighting insurgents in the Middle East, Beijing was singularly focused on overcoming American military superiority in the Pacific.
If the capabilities of these new weapons are taken at face value, China will have succeeded……
Defeating the US in a ground war has never been an objective of the Chinese military—the Korean War was an historical anomaly.
China’s focus instead has been to develop weapons to safeguard its national security and territorial integrity. This couldn’t be accomplished simply by mimicking….. they needed to create a uniquely Chinese military superiority that combined Western technology with Eastern wisdom…..
For China, the three principle points of potential military friction with the US are Taiwan, South Korea-Japan, and the South China Sea.
Apart from South Korea and Japan, where the US has significant ground and air forces already forward deployed, the main threat to China is maritime power projected by American aircraft carrier battlegroups and amphibious assault ships. The Chinese response was to develop a range of anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities designed to target American naval forces before they arrived in any potential contested waters.
Traditionally, the US Navy has relied on a combination of surface warships armed with sophisticated air defense systems, submarines, and the aircraft carrier’s considerable contingent of combat aircraft to defend against hostile threats in time of war.
China’s response came in the form dubbed the “carrier killer.” With a range of between 1,450 and 1,550 kilometers, the DF-21D employs a maneuverable warhead that can deliver a conventional high-explosive warhead with a circular error of probability (CEP) of 10 meters—more than enough to strike a carrier-sized target.
To compliment the DF-21D, China has also deployed what it dubbed the “Guam killer,” ….
Like the DF-21, the DF-26 has a conventionally armed variant, which is intended to be used against ships. Both missiles were featured in the 2015 military parade commemorating the founding of the PRC.
….The unveiling {during Oct1 parade}….
The DF-100 is a vehicle-mounted supersonic cruise missile “characterized by a long range, high precision and quick responsiveness,”.
When combined with the DF-21/DF-26 threat, the DF-100 is intended to overwhelm any existing US missile defense capability, turning the Navy into a virtual sitting duck. ………..