First, Alexander Borodai has made an important press conference. I hope to have the subtitled video available soon.
Second, the main story is not MH17 but the murderous attack of the Nazis on Lugansk which, contrary to BBC claims, has not been taken. However, scores of civilians have been killed in repeated volleys of MLRS rocket strikes by the Nazi forces.
Third, the Nazis in Israel are also using the MH17 as a cover/distraction to kill Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
Fourth, I am, yet again, sick with the flu (yes, I know, again…) which one of my kids brought back home, so I will leave you today with an open thread.
2 Questions for all:
1) can somebody confirm to me that red-tipped Buk missiles are dummies used for training and not missiles equipped with a warhead?
2) is is true that the Resistance forces only seized red-tipped missiles?
Thanks and kind regards to all,
The Saker
Saker Message:
Larchmonter – agreed. Hate to see dirty pool used to kill the momentum.
Hopefully this will turn out to be the real story:
“Regarding the shoot-down of the Malaysian jetliner on Thursday, I’m told that some CIA analysts cite U.S. satellite reconnaissance photos suggesting that the anti-aircraft missile that brought down Flight 17 was fired by Ukrainian troops from a government battery, not by ethnic Russian rebels who have been resisting the regime in Kiev since elected President Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown on Feb. 22.
According to a source briefed on the tentative findings, the soldiers manning the battery appeared to be wearing Ukrainian uniforms and may have been drinking, since what looked like beer bottles were scattered around the site. But the source added that the information was still incomplete and the analysts did not rule out the possibility of rebel responsibility.”
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/19/airline-horror-spurs-new-rush-to-judgment/
Anon said- there are very no angels in war.
20 July, 2014 01:52
There is rarely an equivalency. Usually one side is attacking and the other defending. “Right” is almost always on the side of the defenders.
The ‘defenders’ are usually the ones fighting on their own territory and the ‘attackers’ are from elsewhere and fighting on someone else’s territory.
It is usually straight forward and simple. The sophistry and the “fog of war” bullshit is usually put about by the apologists for the attackers who are almost universally led by psychopaths and definitely in the ‘wrong’.
“Balance in reporting” is another bullshit theme that implies both sides lie and the truth is somewhere in between when in fact truth is usually on one side and the other is lying.
So “balance” means mixing lies with truth to provide ‘responsible reporting’.
@Pessimist, 20 July, 2014 03:21
From the quote you cite of Robert Parry’s, he is putting forward the idea that it was negligence or incompetence on the part of individual Ukrainian soldiers.
Incompetence is the ‘safe harbour’ psychopaths head for once their actions have been exposed to avoid the truth of their malevolence. Limited hangout in other words. They are also offering up the lower down the ranks perps to protect the psychopathic leaders.
From this I would judge that the Ukrainian government know they have been exposed and Russia has all the proof it needs. The psychopaths are now in damage control and Consortium News is helping in that endeavour.
I watched a 12 minute video of the identification of body locations and damages to the plane. It is horrific what happened to people thrown about, out and down, torn apart, burnt to skeleton, ripped apart.
Yet, not much different than the souls killed in Lugansk the next day. Horrific tearing apart by grad and bombs and shells, slaughtered in the street, mangled by metal, bashed and crushed.
One is called terrorism by the major Terrorist of the Globe and his nazi sidekicks in Kiev and most of the Western toadie government leaders.
The other is not mentioned, not even remarked upon as collateral to the ATO. It’s like residue, not death. It’s a byproduct of necessary lethal artillery shot at homes and businesses. Hell, if the people had cleared out, they wouldn’t be dead, would they?
I took a walk or two at a baseball game today to help fetch some foul balls, later to go get some catcher’s mitt from my son’s truck. And I imagined as I innocently walked across the green grass of the park what sudden GRADs or bombs or long range artillery shells built to guarantee at least 5000 pieces of deadly shrapnel would do to me out there in the partly cloudy Saturday at the park.
That is the simple state of things against which human beings of little consequence to the world, but God’s children and full humans with human rights are facing. A day of innocence and then a demonic death.
Keep in mind that kinetic moment of impact that tears apart their bodies, when all the media feed us is the horror of the plane falling out of the sky.
Aviation has long been a battleground for terror and always has its risks from weather and human error and chance. Bad things can happen.
But walking to the store and sitting on a bench and going to church or school or talking with friends in the town you live has seldom been a battlefield without due notice.
The Ukies have declared war against all its citizens in their homes, cities, villages, everywhere. They call it ATO and they seem to mean a war against the militia. But 90% of the ammo is shot at citizens.
The Ukies are the most criminal “government” in history. I can’t recall any government so set to kill all inhabitants of wide regions of its territory. Since the first minutes in office the junta President has made war, not against its enemy Russia, but on its own people, daring Russia to intervene.
When is the world going to declare this war crimes against humanity?
The entire military machine of the Ukraine is aimed at its civilians. From air, mechanized, long range, GRAD, howitzer, mortar and missiles, its entire arsenal is primarily killing innocent citizens.
Saker:
It is common to have many colds followed.
I think your problem is allergy to any chemical cleanup.
Some allergies have symptoms similar to influenza.
Big hug, take care.
Proftel.
Whatever cards the Russian Federation is holding, it had better start playing them because time is running out fast.
Probably less than 72 hours to go.
Take a defensive position in Novorossia and move on to the next world war.
Gonna have to fight for the chance of peace.
What do military experts make of that supposed CHAFF streamers in that video ? Looks legit to me.
I’ve been digging for more info on the BUK-M1 spotted in Snizhne allegedly on July 17.
The road it was on has been geolocated and location of taping in the now infamous Euromaidan video of a BUK-M1 being driven down a divided highway accompanied by a small vehicle.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wkgwxxhJlk4
Earlier versions of this YouTube video of this scene before EuroMaidan reposted it have been deleted by the user. Possible sanitization of evidence? The only video left is EuroMaidan’s.
This road is the T-05-22 (Yuriia Hahariia Street) heading south from Snizhne and the location is four intersections south of Lenin Street at Yepanchyna Street. The video is shot from an apartment block to the west of the road on the north side of Serhiia Kirova Street. The road comes to a gentle bend south of town and then the median strip with pine trees ends after going around the curve. Its clearly visible as the location in all the major mapping services like Google Maps, Google Earth, Apple Maps, etc.
Here is another site with a picture of the same road:
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/50150301?force_desktop_version
The directional information from Euromaidan is incorrect. The BUK in the video is travelling south towards Pobeda and Stepanovka, not west from Torez to Snizhne.
These links below got to the infamous picture of the BUK on a lowboy trailer with a white semi-truck. The BUK is under camo wrap on the missiles and it appears a Jeep is following it. This is clearly the same truck and trailer seen in other pictures of the BUK, including the ones where it is shown missing a missile and also shown accompanied by what appears to be a KAMAZ with soldiers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/finriswolf/status/489828883194077184/photo/1
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/buk-system-russia.jpg
It is being alleged by the Ukraine Interior Ministry that this is behind the Furshet Grocery Store in Snizhne, but I cannot figure out the view perspective from online imaging so I don’t think that information is correct.
http://en.censor.net.ua/photo_news/294249/terrorists_movement_with_buk_systems_recorded_in_the_area_of_boeing_crash_today_photo
It is beyond crediblility and strains credulity that the NAF would transport the BUK and the missles would be under camo wrap early in the afternoon before the downing, but then the BUK would be transported openly without camo wrap to show off missing missiles afterwards.
The SBU is now claiming that three BUK systems were withdrawn to Russia the night of July 18.
http://en.censor.net.ua/news/294555/after_boeing_777_crashed_terrorists_transported_at_least_3_buk_missile_systems_from_ukraine_to_russia
This is somewhat contradictory to all the daytime photos and videos being published of BUK’s being moved about, and the assertion is that they drove the BUK’s to Severny in Luhansk Oblast nar Donetsk, Russia instead of directly south to Marinovka, which seems preposterous.
There are also some assertions being made that the 14 second video of the BUK under transport are at Artemoviisk on Dnipropetrosk Street where it passes Horkoho Street. I cannot confirm that, but Dnipropetrovsk Street in Artemoviisk is at least a heavily treelined street, unlike most roads in this part of Ukraine.
Realistically, Ru’s trump card is that the West wants no part of any military battle. The rulers in the West are fat and happy and basically want nothing to disrupt their stock markets. Tactically speaking (not endorsing), if I were Ru I would use the military option. Russia can’t compete with the West when it comes psyopps and financial warfare.
@Andrew said, 19 July, 2014 18:25:
Corroborating evidence for #Ukraine govt missile strike on #MH17
A convoy of Buk-M1 mobile surface-to-air missile systems was also photographed leaving the barracks of the 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment on the northern outskirts of Donetsk on 15 April, heading into the countryside.
http://www.janes.com/article/36783/ukrainian-internal-security-units-lead-response-to-pro-russian-paramilitaries
On Thursday, when a Malaysian Airlines plane was apparently shot down over Ukraine, a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region, the Russian Defense Ministry said, contradicting Kiev’s statements.
The battery was deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner, the ministry said in a statement. It said radiation from the battery’s radar was detected by the Russian military.
“The Russian equipment detected throughout July 17 the activity of a Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla [a village some 30km south of Donetsk],” the ministry said in a statement.
http://rt.com/news/173784-ukraine-plane-malaysian-russia/
So, the map looks like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Donetsk,+Donetsk+Oblast,+Ukraine/Snizhne,+Donetsk+Oblast,+Ukraine/Pobjeda,+Donetsk+Oblast,+Ukraine/Styla,+Donetsk+Oblast,+Ukraine/@47.8689605,37.7746076,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m26!4m25!1m5!1m1!1s0x40e0909500919a2d:0x36335efdc5856f84!2m2!1d37.80285!2d48.015883!1m5!1m1!1s0x40e0527fe326ac47:0xa186a4453c6414ce!2m2!1d38.765611!2d48.028278!1m5!1m1!1s0x40e1ad04d31dec89:0x2746b84b86eb33dc!2m2!1d38.806667!2d47.979444!1m5!1m1!1s0x40e0c5a557be8031:0x2fb959cc53ff30c0!2m2!1d37.8375!2d47.693611!3e0
(Good grief, I hope that long Google maps link will post. If not, I’m @R_of_R on twitter) and will add to this tweet:
R_of_R @R_of_R · 57m
Corroborating evidence for #Ukraine govt missile strike on #MH17 Read: http://tl.gd/n_1s2hpr4
CDN says
The Aviationist has a video of BUK missiles being launched. All of the missiles have white nose cones and each missile launch results in a very clear contrail as the missile crosses the sky.
See it here:
http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/20/inside-buk-telar-images/
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Also there are multiple generations of BUK launchers. With the latest versions the launcher vehicle has a basic radar capability so that it can operate independently of the BUK command post radar unit.
However, the early versions of the BUK did not have this capability and the launcher was completely dependent on the command post vehicle to direct the missile to the target.
It has been reported that the version operated by the Ukies is this earlier version in which the launcher units are fully dependent on a central command post unit. This suggests that a BUK captured by NAF would not be capable of targeting an aircraft if that aircraft was not being “painted” by the central command unit. The NAF may have fired a BUK missile but this missile would not have been able to find a target unless that target was being painted by the Ukie command unit.
The system works by virtue of the fact that the missile contains a radar receiver in is nose cone. This receiver sees the radar energy being reflected from the target and tracks toward that reflected radar energy. I suspect this is the reason for the white nose cones. What you see is an unpainted plastic nose cone intended to be fully transparent to radar energy. A painted nose cone would have decreased sensitivity due to the paint coating.
Cheers!
Larchmonter, I don’t know about you but I am not fighting a war. However, in Ukraine they are. Yes you are right, the job of the Ukraine army and militias is to kill rebels and people in rebel held areas and the job of the rebels to stop that killing from happening.
I was interested in the nose cones, as were others, because given the info available, the information could have reduced an info gap that is being used to hamper the rebels’ ability to d their job.
Clearing that point up has no impact upon the prosecution of the war in Ukraine, but the outcome could have done. As it is there are other data points being added to the picture that clarify what happened and, hopefully, the evidence collected will be publicised honestly because it is more important than just the dispute in Ukraine.
Saker. I hate to say this, with all the restraint RF has show, all the life lost, city bombed for not interveneing, RF may end up go in anyway. Just when you think they are about falling over, they pull another rabbit out of their ass. This probably will go on and on and on.
The RT page referring to the pilot/atc expert and his opinions about the case is using the knowledge of a bloke called Desmond Ross.
He really does have both piloting experience and ATC experience as part of an interesting career that has taken in airline security issues and training. From what I have read he seems to be a credible source.
here’s his CV: http://archerfieldairport.com.au/Downloads/Media%20Release_GM.pdf
“However, just like in Damascus, Syria in August 2013 when NATO gassed thousands of Syrians in what is now confirmed to be a false flag attack, the West is racing against the clock to do maximum damage before the truth of MH17 emerges” (Tony Cartalucci, http://journal-neo.org/2014/07/19/mh17-world-see-tragedy-us-sees-game-changer/
After following the MSM in Germany carefully (its hard work, you have to suppress your nausea) I have the feeling that the propaganda is not working as expected. We live in the year 11 after the famous infamous Powerpoint presentation. The MSM propaganda in Germany is frantically trying to get their propaganda going in the right direction and failing: for example, the faked video about “Intercepts” Between Militia Commanders emerged as news yesterday morning in all newspapers and was silently abandoned in the afternoon, ditto with the OECE being hindered while the official OSZE says something else. The commentaries sections are awash with sponsored hysterical trolls. Too many facts are there that they cannot hide like the redirection of the route and now this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-18/ukraines-security-service-has-confiscated-air-traffic-control-recordings-malaysian-j
The FAZ had an interview with Yats yesterday evening, where Yats says: „Nach dem Flugzeugabschuss vom Donnerstag ist dies ein internationaler Konflikt geworden. Finanzielle Hilfe, Militärhilfe, Sanktionen und Gespräche, das brauchen wir.“ Crying for money in such a craven way is not „die feine englische Art“.
I completely agree with Anon Mongoose 19 July, 2014 22:27 that “Imo, the Kiev junta are keystone cops – overworking the propaganda and failing.”Despite all the cries that Putin is weak, he can just wait till the spin “spins out of control” – I am sure he knows how a boomerang works ;o).
Dear Saker,
the last two weeks have been a rollercoaster for all of us who hope and pray that the Novorussians win. Would it not be for your blog we would all be depressed and giving up hope. If we are looking to you for comfort, how must you feel, being yourself in need of hope. We are with you in our thoughts – try to keep well. Do not let negative thoughts overcome you to the deteriation of your health, meditation and prayers help, as several here already said.
Best wishes to you
Angelika
Dear Saker, Get well soon, leave the stress behind the cabinet
Blessings to you
To Gayle @15:39 looks like you have a very good intuition!!!
All of us we remember at 9/11 when three of the buildings were on fire later changed into a dust and in some miraculous way they have found almost perfect undamaged passport of Mr.Atta and here we go here we have the same story again this time in Ukraine . Plane was burning and they have found undamaged passports, interesting in deed………
There seems to me to be a distinct
likelihood that the Malaysia Flight 370
airliner – the Boeing 777 Twin Jet – or
else its twin has finally resurfaced, in
the disputed territory surrounding
Donetsk, Ukraine.
So says Clifford Anthony Paiva, a Navy
Veteran with a Master’s Degree in
Geophysics who created the video below,
as well as this previous one, who asserts
that this plane was not shot down by a
missile but was deposited there by land
and detonated at its purported “crash
site.”
Paiva notes the many hallmarks of an
astonishingly poorly-executed False Flag
operation, including these “obvious
blunders for this stupid CIA operation,”
including “1) Very colorful clothing, seats
and passports, all unconsumed by the
“impact” inferno, of course! 2) No lays on
the ground with their bodies (to say
nothing of their clothes), unburned. Even
for the US-CIA, this is manifestly stupid!
3) Very clear [tire] tracks leading to the
“impact” site; another unnecessary
oversight by the same incompetent United
Airlines Flight 93 team. 4) And of course!
NO BLACK BOX! (Voice and Flight Data
Recorder), at least for public confirmation
of the newest Malaysian-CIA Flight storyline.
“Incidentally, not only are NO bodies
(uncovered with some material) present,
absolutely NO missile radar track files are
presented. NO, this is just more White House
nonsense…and having worked crash fires for
the US Air Force, I can say with some
authority, [a] crash site does NOT end abruptly.
[Here], the grass goes untouched.”
It remains now for the world’s planespotters to
determine if this is the aircraft from Flight 370,
or if this is its twin Twin Jet, purchased by a
shady South Florida aviation company, with
records indicating that it has been held in
storage in a country I won’t name here but as
previously reported, here and here.
Video (2 minutes):
Twin (Twin?) of MH 370 Finally Resurfaces in Ukraine
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/page/26548.html
Damn, Kiev seems threw more man’s and equipment at Novorossia. How long can RF wait?
The hosts of the investigation is the Donetsk government, which should remain in charge over the location of the airplane parts, and should keep them at different warehouses, to avoid another unfortunate Kiev targeting error, to destroy all evidence.
@pessimist (03:21)
“Despite doubts within the U.S. intelligence community, the Obama administration and the mainstream U.S. news media are charging off toward another rush to judgment blaming …” (Robert Parry)
So, here we go again with Madam Albright’s “we think it was worth it” still bouncing around the echo chamber, we get to hear a remix of the infamous trio of buffoons’ (GWBush, Tony Blair and Johnny Howard) classic “He’s Got WMDs to Burn” — I’m afraid the lights may be on in ‘DC-World’ but clearly nobody’s home! Thank goodness that empty ‘Change’ suit, Obama, turned out to be a sleazy politician and not a respected High Court Judge.
Putin is a pariah. He must now be treated as such. – Brought to you by that steadfast beacon of truth [barf] The Business Insider [wink, wink, nudge, nudge].
That Crimea thingie doesn’t sit well with TMotU [The Masters of the Univers].
Daniel Rich and David from Sweden,
The rense article cited above combines both your positions – a missile (air-to-air, though) causes a fire which heats up a bomb, so it explodes prematurely.
Indeed, an independent technical analysis of the video clips from the crash site, by a retired CIA crash expert, confirms just such a scenario:
– the metal fuselage of the Boeing-777 shows no traces of deep and long scratch marks from the steel balls delivered in the warhead of a Buk ground-to-air missile;
– The starboard (right-wing) jet engine was badly damaged and caught fire, pointing to a hit by a smaller air-to-air missile launched from a fighter interceptor, flying at about the same altitude; and
– the midsection was “blown outward and not inward,” indicating a bomb blast inside the cargo bay.
The expert observations, when assembled, shows that a NATO interceptor fired a heat-seeking missile at a jet engine, triggering a fire. The flames were expected to move up the fuel lines inside the wing to set fire to the plane and incinerate all contents, especially the infected corpses and blood packets.
The midair disinfection plan came undone when a bomb hidden inside the cargo bay by the Israelis, timed to explode at Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) to spread biowarfare agents after all the passengers debarked safely, instead heated up and burst midair. The bomb blast blew out the on-board fire before the cargo was torched. The plane plummeted to the ground with the biowarfare agents and corpses intact.
Is this plausible? I’m not asking you to accept the biowarfare thesis. I’m just wondering whether your views can be reconciled. Such matters are well beyond my ken. It is strange, though, that Israeli-controlled airport security always lets the bad things through.
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-us-confirms-russia-supplied-missile-lau#sthash.wi5CWTOH.dpuf
Told you can not stop a war by run away from it. It will come looking for you. It is. Other talks if to bring in peace keeper, NAF have to be designated as terrorist org.Play right out of script people has been writing about here.
Scott Creighton of http://willyloman.wordpress.com/ has an intresting take and a video about Rinat Akhmetov and his miners involvement in this false flag event. Worth reading.
In the Dutch blogosphere some things have changed (for now)..
Before anti-NATO voices were usually painted as naive or misinformed ´fellow travelers´.
At the moment we get accused of being ´traitors´ and how dare we voice our opinion, we should be ashamed! And sometimes the question how much we get paid.
Paul Craig Roberts outlines scenarios for MH17 one of which effectively suggests Obama keeps Putin chatting on jet-phone passing over Ukraine while ‘someone’ lines him up for a crash landing. Those phone coordinates come in handy sometimes although they don’t compensate for Ukrainian incompetence. Worth considering, imo.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/19/happened-malaysian-airliner-paul-craig-roberts/
Daniel Rich:
“I think Strelkov should step back into the shade and let deeds [victories] replace words.”
I’ve been a nay-sayer regarding Strelkov for a while on this here blog, so I’ll stay true to the image.
Strelkov will not step back into the shade. His role in this whole “bloody operetta” is to be up there on the pedestal, overshadowing everyone else. And he played himself into a corner he cannot easily get out of anymore.
Image is everythin’, baby. In the Russian media (especially the blogosphere), there was – and still is – a very persistent and overt attempt to drum the image of “Strelkov = Novorussia” into the minds of those who in one way or another sympathize with the people of Donbass. It seems to work to certain extent. Strelkov says “We’ve knocked out a bunch of APC’s” – and folks hear “Ukie APC’s are being knocked out all over Novorussia, all is going well”. Strelkov makes a sorrowful face and intones “I’m not getting any reinforcements or weapons from *you know who*” – and people hear “Novorussia is getting no help whatsoever, Putin betrayed it”. Strelkov wags his finger and admonishes Putin that he’s chosen Miloshevich’s path – and people foam at the mouth demanding that Putin defend Novorussia with all he’s got, or else they’ll consider doing the Maidan right under his windows, since that’s what traitors get.
It was rather interesting to watch this hype grow, if only out of curiosity about the extent that media coverage can make anyone into a superstar. You see, not only is Strelkov but one among many field commanders, he’s also just about the blandest of them all. Motorola is by far the more picturesque, Bezler is by far the more determined and ruthless, and Khodakovsky comes through as considerably more intelligent. Not to mention the fact that all abovementioned commanders have a long list of successes that are no less impressive than Strelkov’s, perhaps even more so. But at some point, Bezler was pushed into Strelkov’s shadow as his “subordinate”, and Khodakovsky was openly smeared as Akhmetov’s man and a traitor (nevermind that he held Saur-Mogila for weeks). Oh yeah, there’s a lot of dirty internal PR crap going on inside PRD, too much, really.
More…
Cont’d…
Well, all is good while it lasts, but as you mentioned yourself, Strelkov needs to live up to the rep he’s got, and that’s where things go awry. All was peachy while he sat in Slavyansk. But after he suddenly abandoned it along with several other towns, the rep got a bit shaky.
To explain his hasty retreat, lots of stories got floated about by his admirers. Most of them proved to be no more than wishful thinking. One, for instance, claimed that there was a coup brewing in Donetsk, and Strelkov arrived to quash it. That works well with Strelkov’s legend (he’s the only one capable of restoring order in Novorussia), but presents a problem in that it implies that the rest of PRD’s leadership is a bunch of sheepish cretins who just sat in Donetsk and watched the “coup” unfolding. Well, after Strelkov got to Donetsk and failed to make a *single* arrest, much less start a purge of any kind, the story got quietly dropped. Instead, he got named something short of a fieldmarshal. After giving several half-assed explanations as to why he is now 120 km. from Slavyansk and why Novorussia is still going strong, he went off to the “front” where he played the wise God of War by going about ordering destruction of such immensely important strategic targets as single mortar positions while being interviewed by journalists.
And it would all be good, but he and those who spin him overdid it again. For some days it was being implied that Strelkov is, in fact, the one who is in control of the whole “cauldron” operation, and the whole “about to be achieved” Grand Victory is his brainchild (remember, Strelkov = Novorussia, its successes are his successes). And then it all blew in his face, as it turned out that the PRD militia cannot reduce the pockets, cannot take Donetsk airport and is in fact losing ground to a Ukie force that suddenly sprang out of nowhere and is rolling up militia resistance all around Donetsk. And now that he’s the Mars of PRD, this failure falls directly on him.
So he did what he always does when threatened with possibility of defeat: he panicked and blamed his failure on Russia and Putin. That’s a pattern he established in Slavyansk and followed faithfully ever since.
But he’s trapped in the spotlight now, and he knows it. He cannot deliver victories, but cannot step back into the shadows, precisely because everyone now sees him as the embodiment of Novorussia. He doesn’t have an “army”, because the PRD leadership did anything but prepare for war. He doesn’t have the support of the population (Donetsk residents fled in droves when he arrived rather than joining his formations). The PRD leadership, moreover, turned out to be utterly unprepared to handle such contingencies as downing of the 777; its gut response was to freeze and whine while apparently denying its militia any and all AA cover (they’re not even using MANPADs now).
As a side note, it’s interesting to watch the reaction of the top Russian pro-Strelkov bloggers to all that. Yurasumy suddenly shut up and is apparently mulling over Strelkov’s latest lament and how to spin it in line with his hereto upbeat spin. ColonelCassad is whipping up an anti-Putin storm in his comments and implies Russian betrayal. And Strelkov is still a demiurge, of course.
Same old, same old…
Andrew, thanks for the added details on the BUK location.
Really hope the militia doesnt loose their initiative and do stupid reckless maneuvers. They must be patient and smart.
Norwegian Bob
Saker,
regarding your questions I would like you to consider, that it plays into the cards of the perpetrators to join in to the chatter, if or if not the rebels had the opportunity to shoot down MH17 as long as there is not the slightest evidence, the plane was shot down at all, and not blown up.
When Crazy Joey Gallo was murdered in Umberto’s Clam Bar, a gangster, interviewed by I think The Daily News, said, “It had to happen.”
In other words, about five guys with guns had to burst into Joey’s birthday party and fill him full of lead. Stuff like that has to happen.
Whatever else is true about the shooting down of this jet, it is true that it did not have to happen. Accident? Let’s rule that out now. Somebody did this, and probably planned it very carefully. Is it an accident that Malaysia has the largest muslim population in the world?
Dear Saker,
2 others interesting links/informations :
“We have found one engine damaged. It initially looked like an air to air missile hit it. We see signs of fire but there is a question as to whether damage is consistent with a shape charge from an air to air missile. Input from qualified folks welcomed as always.
The BUK is off the table. We have reviewed it extensively and an S300 is capable but not a BUK. It “says” it will do it but experts have ruled otherwise. We have tons of supporting material already.”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/19/mh17-working-group-established/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/19/the-mh17-shoot-down-over-ukraine/
Espina said
Larchmonter445 @20 July, 2014 00:38
Correct 100% imo,the only reason the plane came down was because the Militia was winning.
I like your posts you’re totally on the pulse.
Regards Espina
Putin now lost everything.He should have invade the Ukraine just to clean the Junta.Show his force.Now he is a pariah.He won nothing by his attitude of ‘wait and see’,naming ‘our friends’,our colleagues’ etc…politicians and neocons in the US/UE are not friends of Putin,and will never be,they want him killed no less.It is time now for a major military option,and to be strong.If he does nothing it is over at best in a few months.There will be now hard sanctions anyway.Ukies gas bills will never be paid.He may forget southstream as well.Let the West be afraid of Russia and you will see they will also change their attitude.These people are very strong in words,but very little in actions.What happened with MH,should have happen one day.
Even if the Ukies did it,it is now irrelevant.
Putin needs a very big PR action to show the world who the bad boys are,the nazi etc..do not forget that a vast majority of people in the West do not know anything about the massacres,Odessa,the nazis,refugees etc due to the censorship of the MSM.If they could know,the public opinion could also change.
But doing nothing,or talking to the West with ‘our friends’…is 100 pct counterproductive.If Putin does not react very strongly before 48 hours,he is done.
Sad but true.
To Bob Jackson – no that is not plausible, remember Occams Razor, complex explanations should be rejected if simple ones are available.
Occams Razor says reject complex explanations when a simple one will do. Missiles plus a bomb are an unnecessarily complex explanation.
@ Anonymous 20 July, 2014 01:52:
Vice News is not unbiased. The journalists use commentary to color the story they present in ways that reinforce Western propaganda. That said, I do agree with you that it is the best Western source for gaining direct insight. Of course, that’s just damning with faint praise, really.
To anonymous @15:13
Be patient and don’t put all of the blame on Putin. The game is developing and it is very complex to expose the Uncle Sam in his full role of these type of tragedies and wars.
It is coming, the puzzle is slowly getting together and the world is going to be in the shock when all truth will come out.
Power as a revenge never worked as effective, but the evidence will.
Keep calm everything is coming on the right way.
@ Anonymous 15:13
“Putin needs a very big PR action to show the world who the bad boys are,the nazi etc..do not forget that a vast majority of people in the West do not know anything about the massacres,Odessa,the nazis,refugees etc due to the censorship of the MSM.If they could know,the public opinion could also change.”
They could try to put more work into PR so these facts get known, but don’t forget the entire MSM is totally following Washington’s line and that won’t change. It does look in retrospect that Putin should have acted decisevly back in April, or early May at the latest right after the Odessa massacre. No it’s a mess.
Larchmonter445,
Yup, the nanosecond it was clear that this plane was diverted into a war zone, it was even more clear that Russia would be blamed, the Resistance would be stretched thin while the area was flooded with “investigators” supporting Kiev both miltarily and otherwise, and Israel would do something even more awful in Gaza. And in that sense it doesn’t even matter “how” it was done, just “that” it was done; anything else is a diversion, that’s all. We’ll get to the truth eventually.
But in point of fact, living one’s life in the ordinary ways has frequently been a battlefield without due notice since almost the moment airplanes were developed– Belgium, France, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Tokyo, Russia, Korea, Vietnam, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria all come to mind along with whole bunches of other places. It just hasn’t happened here that often, that’s all. It sure has elsewhere, and mostly due to us.
And you really “can’t recall any government so set to kill all inhabitants of wide regions of its own territory” ?? Really?
How the hell do you think you got so blessed to be an American in the first place? God didn’t “give” you this country; you’re standing on the shoulders of the shoulders of the shoulders of the people who took it, precisely by doing their best to kill anyone they needed to.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/20/us-nicaragua-attacks-idUSKBN0FP0T920140720
Sandinistas Attacked, 4 people killed, and 24 injured. While everyone is distracted, again paramilitary terrorist actions in Nicaragua,
Kia ora & good morning Saker,
I had a go a posting a comment last night when I first discovered your blog via Global Research. The information contained in your blog is beyond pertinent. I have yet to make my way through the plethora of the invaluable info therein but I reckon the ‘good things take time’ cliché will be most applicable.
Hope the flu issues are abating.
All th best
Mark Smillie