Dear friends,
Here is the latest installment of my quarterly conversations with Catherine Austin Fitts.
This one was recorded on February 5th, 2019.
You can listen to the interview on the original Solari Report page:
https://home.solari.com/the-emerging-multipolar-world-the-unraveling-with-the-saker/
Listen to (or download) the Interview MP3 audio file
https://home.solari.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/sr20190214_InterviewHQ.mp3
You can also grab the transcript here: https://home.solari.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/sr20190214_Saker.pdf
Is there a transcript?
It was entertaining to hear Saker defend the US (inspite of all its faults) against Europe, with Ms. Fitts defending the latter and she ultimately changed the topic! :P
The vital differences between the neo-liberal EU and the neo-feudal Exceptionalastan is the degree of control of the Zionazi hegemons. In the EU the dominance is very great, particularly in the slave states of France and Germany, with the UK being brought under control by destroying the UK Labour Party for the ‘antisemitic’ crime of describing Israel with honesty and regarding the Palestinian ‘human dust’, as the Zionazis say, as human beings. There are pockets of vile ‘antisemitic’ disobedience in places in the EU, but they will certainly soon be criminalised, as in France under Ziothug Micron, and in the USA, where the process of outlawing the BDS movement or any manifestation of support for the Palestinians, or any criticism of the behaviour of any Jew, anywhere, ever, proceeds apace. A situation truly unprecedented in human history, I would say, and one that cannot turn out well in the end.
Better that the prior interviews because this became more conversational. It was rich with topics of urgency and rich with doubts, but nuanced. Two friends sharing their disparate opinions in a wide-ranging chat.
I felt like we were all in a coffee shop and I was listening from the booth behind you.
What is most salient is all the signs pointing to the dead ends the Hegemon faces in every region, the dead ends of Israeli policy, and the dead ends of the US financial system. Agreed on this analysis, is the counterpoint of Russia-China-Iran-India and a few EU voices who are working to construct alternative tools and institutions. No certainty of what is ahead, or when “collapse” may come, and a certain sense or dread of the insanity of neocons who are pushing everywhere for what looks like conflicts if not wars.
Also, agreed was that democratic voting would not get rid of the tyranny and hegemony. That the French uprising is one necessary method, but not the only way. If local reform is possible, it certainly has not shown up as realistic anywhere.
In my opinion, systemic corruption of the scale of tens of trillions of dollars requires something much more existential. However, Rule of Law is deeply embedded in the citizenry. That leaves the Tyranny to begin a total repression that leads to a civil war. It is entirely possible that no change will happen unless there is a civil war.
In a few more years, if the Federal interest rate rises, the debt will choke the American economy. This is one reason it has become predatory and seeks to take gas, oil and gold from its vassals, targets and ultimately, from Russia. It must steal wealth in order to stabilize its debt-ridden economy.
Yes , if there are to be citizen uprisings it will certainly be messy ….. Uprisings need a clear acceptable leader who does not become corrupt by the power of that position and a clear message of promoted, acceptable demands …… That is missing – except in France. The French uprising is becoming ugly….) if only the police would lay down their arms as they too are suffering from Macrons theft of the wider French economy to benefit the few….)
Eastern europe in its transitional phase … the 1990s had the #mythical west# they aimed for and all its western preaching ….. (most of what they discovered in the end was different ….. politically …. but they gained a wider range of social and material and income choices and a wider planet to explore. That did cost them their strong communities pre transitional period. (Many still held onto their state provided homes and many had been educated to third level at little cost plus many are multi lingual unlike westies ….. They integrated into europe and other places with some key advantages over the westie s.)
Thus Eastern europe s transition over a ten to 15 year period was not too distressing for most. (Yes the EU did suck their fledling economies dry leaving terrible conditions for some)
Civil wars however are messy and can be extremely violent with senseless killings (to the observer from afar) with too many groups competing for the centre of power. eg Northern Island, Basque s in northern spain Catalonians in the south of spain plus Yugoslavia to name a few and all still unresolved.
There can be no easy transition coming to the ” west” when most in the west are arguing for a better “western system” ….. but what is that !!!!!
It will be chaos as there are fractured communities everywhere…. In europe with over 7 million immigrants to date – mostly male – and some immersed in an alien middle east islam which is not european islam. What will happen to them?
Add into this mix of an exposed hypocritical papacy from rome with too many victems eg children nuns and male to male relations which are preached against ….. This is an erosion of core religious belief for many.
Core foundations of belief – political social and religious are being challenged everywhere in the wider europe (not just in the EU).
Tomorrow looks bleak for europeans …… although we dont view ourselves as europeans …. we are french english german algerian nigerian syrian and english ….. perhaps ..
One more point. We europeans from over 30 plus nations are not united across border at all. We are steeped in our national identity. Any Protests directed will be against our national governments….
Altho the EU can be reformed….. The EEC trade customs union benefits most and may survive …. But the political dictatorship from the EU supranational institutions they are/will be under threat.
The french yellow vests incidently have finally formed a committee who have posted their demands. They can be followed on http://www.defenddemocracy.press/. Much in french but can be translated.
https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2018/11/peace-behind-me-war-in-front-of-me.html?m=1
Saker, China prepares for war. Fairly awesome PRC Army video footage.
https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/452041-nopec-oil-banks-gold/
Do the US is trying to stop OPEC from dupporting Venuzuela by letting OPEC know that if they help Madura resist the US the US will convict each on cartel violations and seize all of their assets.
It seems to me Putin has been clear on supporting Venuzuela. That he doesnt want another Cuban missile crisis. But if there is going to be one he is up to the showdown.
A very strange eclipse happened a few nights ago. Sirius was occuluded by an asteroid. The shadow of the eclipse covered Venuzuela.
Sirius carried a bow and rides a white horse.
The first rider of the apocalypse.
Another point raised in the above discussion is that of wider europe now flooded with migrants … These mass s are evident everywhere especially near and around holiday resorts where some/many hawk their wares in the hope of raising some income. some latest figures place numbers around 7 million influx since this all began a few years back …. (Figures obtained via german web site.)
Other migranst are evident in their primitive sleeping arrangements with encampments anywhere there is vacant land and bushes to hide their presence ….
Media in its deceiptful portrayal of these people fail to demonstrate that most are male from all over the middle east. The idea they are Syrian families is way off the mark …. Just view online the hundreds of fotos of those landing in oversized rubber boats … Male !!!!!! . Some are imbued with a sexist islam which is not tolerated in wider europe. European islam – predominantly – has over time moulded with european cultures…. But some of the middle east form of islam which has arrived is alien to european cultures and european islam and is offensive to non islamic women and others.
Another point is that the very generalised situation that many arrive without employable skills, few speak any european language, are aged between 17 and 35 and expect way beyond what europe can provide. Most will remain unemployed and unemployable and on welfare if available. Many will end up in ghettos ……
A tiny percentage however do qualify to remain in europe …. figures vary but around 5%. The failed seekers are disgarded but remain in the nation where they filed applications ….. drifting …
This huge mass of displaced peoples of many languages cultures and expectations drifting around cities is disasterous and dangerous …. This situation is visible in many large cities if one decides to look. These people need to eat sleep and survive and consume …. They can gain stuff legitiamtely or violently ….. but survive they will.
Yet as people they have a right too to decent treatment but are pawns of an exploitive sytem which now punishes the western middle class all over – The rot has come home to roost ….. (After all powerful western banks have raped many fledling economies then imposed austerity on unpaid debt which then was called Structural Adjustment polices (SAPs). To repay debt public services have been reduced or shut down.)
Wider europe struggles now to cope with this momentous influx. It is a cluster bomb which will explode in all directions …..
The Saker is right. The US cannot change it self, as the existing mechanism is just too strong. Only a shock event can change it. This shock event can be external or internal. However, both could be very lethal indeed. An external shock would be a military conflict. An internal shock would be a financial collapse. A military conflict would destroy the country. A financial conflict would not destroy the country physically, but it would most probably break it up into different entities. I think the second possibility is the one to be expected.
What Catherine means when she says the day to day in Europe is superior to the US, is the general mood of the public. In the US people tend to be tense, suspicious of one another and always on the lookout for people who want to do them harm. This is the product of decades upon decades of fearmongering, keeping people at a knifes edge with constant propaganda about outside and inside threats to the safety of them and their families. It’s a system designed to keep people from organising in a major way, can anyone say that a protest on the scale of the yellow vests is possible under any circumstances? The deep seeded mistrust of people would prevent anything like that from ever taking shape. I mean the over 2000 different protest locations which happened simultaneously in France in the first week of the yellow vest movement. Not to mention the gun lobby loves selling people guns, and they wouldn’t buy a gun if they felt safe. I’ve heard many, many anecdotes of people who lived outside the US for a couple of years and they noticed this right away. People are scared to leave their homes after certain hours, they are always looking over their shoulder, they constantly fear that some maniac is about to open fire on the street because mass shootings are happening pretty much every single day at this point.
I recently saw a Jimmy Dore clip about Cannabis and he played this trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjHOBJzhb0
One particular sentence stood out to me like a sore thumb: “This plant can be grown in YOUR NEIGHBOURS YARD.” The wording is very specifically designed to make people afraid, suspicious and as a consequence, keep them divided. They could’ve said that it can be grown everywhere, no, they specifically made it personal to the viewer, it’s not some guy, no, it’s YOUR NEIGHBOUR! So be suspicious of YOUR NEIGHBOUR because, he might be a drug dealer. The other stuff said in the trailer is equally bad. Cannabis joints look like “harmless looking cigarettes,” in other words, everybody who smokes (which in 1936, pretty much everybody), could be smoking a “deadly new drug from hell.” Hidden in shoes, which everybody has, or a watch case, again, everybody has them.
It’s ridiculous. This is an example which is over 80 years old. This was before “Hitler will get you!” “Communists will get you! They infiltrated every institution! Especially the unions!” “The Soviets will get you!” “The terrorists will get you!” “The muslims will get you!” “The mexican gangs will get you!” and so on and so forth. You have people living at the butt-end of nowhere, shaking in their boots, sleeping with shotguns because they are afraid of ISIS… it’s just plain ridiculous.
In Europe people go to cafes in the evening without being afraid. It doesn’t mean there is no crime, there is plenty of crime, but there’s just no constant, in your face propaganda effort to make people aware and afraid of it, disproportionately so. Even with all the migrants all over the place, it hasn’t changed all that much.
Tulsi Gabbard was indoctrinated from birth to hold an anti-gay stance, which she used to have into her early twenties, but she changed it not for this campaign like Saker believes, she changed her views years ago.
The more info I get about her, the more I become suspicious of Tulsi Gabbard. More and more red flags are starting to pop up. For example, I only found out a few weeks ago that she voted for sanctioning Russia over the bogus election “meddling” narrative. She made bellicose, imperialist statements against Russia over Ukraine. She said she sees circumstances where torture is a valid approach to information gathering, torture is horrible, it doesn’t work no matter what the circumstances. She described Assad as a “brutal dictator” and said there is no disputing the “fact” that the Syrian “regime” used chemical weapons… which has never been proven. Not once. She was supposed to be better on foreign policy than Bernie Sanders… I don’t see it.
Tulsi is another cutout. She is Ye Olde ‘Hope & Change’ political Evergreen in a female package. The Establishment Showmasters play the same records every election just with a few different platitudes echoing the current zeitgeist to capture the emotions of the voting herd.
The two Evergreens are always the same ‘Hope & Change’ (change) vs ‘MAGA’ (preserve). This fires people up and give them the illusion of choice.
The Voting Herd votes, and… they end up with the opposite of what they voted for.
Hopefully for those of us who cannot hear well, a transcript will follow :)
Interesting that the Saker said that Germany was primarily responsible for the mess in Ukraine. Previously an American general said that the German elite was particularly encouraging of the anti Serbian bombing of Yugoslavia, they way it sounded was like Germany was the instigator of the Yugoslavian campaign.
One would have though that the Germans had learnt their lesson after WWI and WWII.
Banking criminals never learn — to think of anyone but themselves.
More precisely, they learn that crime almost always pays (them), no matter how many peoples’ lives are disrupted and /or killed.
The series on wetiko @ SOTT is, IMO, very relevant:
“Predators, “full-blown” wetikos, are not in touch with their own humanity, and therefore can’t see the humanity in others. Instead, they relate to others either as potential prey or as a threat to their dominance. As if a different breed who is more animal-like predator than ordinary human being, someone fully taken over by the wetiko psychosis consumes others’ lives, physically, emotionally, psychically and meta-physically, beyond just the material body and physical possessions to the level of meaning itself.
“Once the parasite becomes sufficiently entrenched within the psyche, the prime directive coordinating a person’s behavior comes from the disease, as it is now the one calling the shots. Just as someone infected with the rabies virus will resist drinking water, which would flush out the infection, someone taken over by the wetiko parasite will have nothing to do with anything that will help them get rid of the disease. Wetikos are phobic towards the light of truth, which they avoid like the plague. In advanced stages, this process takes over the person so completely that we could rightfully say the person is no longer there; they are just an empty shell carrying the disease. In a sense there is just the disease, operating through what appears to be a human being. The person becomes fully identified with their mask, their persona, but it is as if there is no one behind the mask.”
https://www.sott.net/article/237287-The-Greatest-Epidemic-Sickness-Known-to-Humanity
Also IMO (your milage may vary), although highly controversial (to many, explosive), Gregory Klimov’s insights into the biological rooting of ponerology are germane to this:
http://g-klimov.info/Essence-e.htm
For whatever it may be worth (if anything); not to stir up controversy, but to offer food for thought.
Thanks, never came across this kind of thinking before.
Your comments on the US military’s diminishing capabilities in projecting hard power reminded me of a term used by Emmanuel Todd (in his book ‘After the Empire’) … “theatrical micro-militarism”. Referred particularly to pre-Iraq adventures in Grenada and Panama.
RE the demographics in Russia and Pensions:
In Putin’ latest Union Adreess, he presented an exhaustive overhaul of the social programs for families, pensioners, and the elderly among other things. How could anyone assume he won`t follow through with these promises? The life of his Political party depends on it for one thing, and for another, it`s the first opportunity he`s had, fiscally, to address these very pressing issues having been up to his ass in alligators since 2014 from sanctions and very real threats on Russian borders, all beyond his control, and certainly not of his own doing. It`s a miracle he can now adress these issues at all,but a testament to the strength of the Russian people to band together in the face of a common enemy,the USof@s. I read, but cannot find it now, where some benefit payments will be retroactive. All that`s left to do is hold him accoutable to his promises; how difficult can that be? This is Putin we`re talking about. What more do you need to know?
Ponerology. Your site Saker is a very high energy portal. Political Ponerology was a work written years ago. Again, Catherine Austin Fitts a sincere dialed in being, too. I apologize I do not follow-up when I comment on the web. Even at Russia Today where I get lots of approval I simply check that I read the comments. My primary input is about the Tao and the Taoist Masters who changed China and very vile Emperors. Sun Tzu, Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, the Divine Peach Immortal and the Monkey King, et al, e.g. Quite a number of “Enlightened” humans have lived in the Earth. India has birthed innumerable “saints”. Gandhi, Yogananda, Sai Baba, Sri Rama Krishna, the Divine Mother, et al. Hua Ching Ni rewrote the German Wilhelm Baynes I Ching. The Tao Te Ching Lao Tzu translation via Hua Ching Ni also well worth time. Hungary Ghosts. Humans who blow holes in our subtle body allow dense, coarse, gross energy to in essence “possess”. We are living in a time of grave darkness. There is no actual knowing how this darkness is going to shift, but there is no system other than change, in reality. “The Book of Changes and The Unchanging Truth”. Sixty-four Hexagrams. Get some yarrow stalks and consult daily the “I Ching” via Master Ni. The powerful wisdom is guaranteed to be a best friend.
Love your world of higher consciousness, Saker!
Thank you for being enlightened and reflecting the light to shine bright.
Thank you very much for the transcript of the Saker’s interview by Catherine Austin Fitts !
FWIW, I do not think that mom-&-pop investors boycotting treasury notes would have any effect on the financial system. Their contributions are so miniscule as to be irrelevant to it.
“The system” (which I have watched as it took shape over 40 years) is a gigantic machine. Toss a spanner into the gears, and it just gets crushed into powder without having had any effect.