I thought of the picture of a cartoon bomb that Netanyahu held up at the UN when I saw the American “evidence” myself, but the Colon Powell one works too.
Video made my western journalist Ostrovski, watch in fullscreen: How can an *alive* person fall 10km from the sky, hit a road and THERE IS NO BLOOD??!! Shocking: No blood at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2rfWBW4wg#t=322
However: Cartoons shown by USrael are more trustworthy, aren’t they? I propose somebody contacts the real Powell so he can return back to office for one day and show this damn authentic cartoon evidence to the UNSC *lol* :)
Sometimes I wonder, why the RF isn’t showing more of the real proof it has, to the world community. With 9/11 I always asked and continue to ask myself the same questions.
Morons think the West is vulnerable to humour and mocking. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The modern Angle-Saxon regimes- the most powerful the Earth has ever seen- actually encourage the sheeple and their ‘clowns’ to laugh at their ‘betters’ on a daily basis- with excellent psychological reason. In Britain, centuries ago, the most vicious political cartoons, that would have got the author executed in any other nation, were laughed at as much by the ‘victims’ as those foolish enough to think the ‘victims’ were damaged by such.
In the US Constitution, satirical ‘speech’ directly mocking the most powerful figures in US public life is protected by Law- why do you think that is so?
Sheeple anger and distress is a danger to those that need the passive support of the sheeple. Laughter diffuses such emotions, safely and cleanly. It makes the sheeple feel ‘powerful’, while in reality they are demonstrating their powerlessness.
The woman that laid down the ground for Tony Blair- Margaret Thatcher- had her rule coincide with the TV show “Spitting Image”- where puppets designed by ‘lefties’ to be as ‘cruel’ as possible, portrayed Thatcher and her cronies in the worst possible light. Thatcher adored the show.
What the West wants is for people to keep talking about the false flag for as long as possible. So the West blows ‘hot’ then ‘cold’ to generate ‘talking points’ so fools think they are scoring some kind of verbal victory. When you have no power, all you can do is talk.
The picture merely reminds one that the USA didn’t pay even the tiniest penalty for lying at the UN in order to murder two million people in Iraq. Is THAT funny?
Russia should demand that the UN Security Council refers the MH17 case to the ICC. If the US has any evidence against a Russian or Novorossiyan, they should present it there or shut up.
As the International Red Cross has recognized the conflict as a war, NAF can no longer be charged with terrorism. If it was a NAF missile, then criminal responsibility stops at the solder who operated the controls. No one can be accused for moving an AA missile battery to a town that was bombed the day before, with 13 civilians killed. War causes collateral damage; so far the junta has killed at least twice as many civilians as were on the plane.
On the other hand, if the junta was responsible, this would be the chance to put them away for life. There can be no military rationale for shooting down a civilian airliner. Criminal responsibility extends to the very top, where ever that is. (Patrick Armstrong suggested somewhere that it is the State Department, not the CIA who are the Masters of Chaos.) If the US knows the truth, then they might oppose referring the case to the ICC. In that case too they should shut up!
The Ukie pilot who fired the missile may get away; may be he was told he would be shooting at Putin’s plane.
I wrote a long rant accusing Russia of incompetence. Ended up posting it as a blog.
Russia, Libya, Syria, & MH17 I spent an hour yesterday yelling my head off on the telephone with my friend and Finnish contact in Moscow. This was after looking at the shrapnel patterns on the wreckage and finally realizing that MH17 was not an accident but a false-flag attack targeted at Russia and Putin personally. The reason for my anger was the total incompetence and the total unpreparedness of Russia in facing MH17 – and more generally – the lack of support Russia has given to those fighting for Russian in the information war in the English speaking world.
The MH17 attack could not have been a surprise. In fact, on the morning of July 17th the air was so full of anticipation of “something happening” that you could almost cut it with a knife.
I have been investigating this crime for three years, that is long before it even happened. This is not an isolated crime but only one in a long series of geopolitical crimes, each one them coming closer and closer to Moscow. Each one of them directed from the same command center somewhere deep in the Empire of Chaos* – with full participation of the bullhorns of the Western “free” press. With my friend Adam Larson we have been able to solve many or even most of these “massacres” and show that they are false-flag attacks.
In all these years we have received no help or support from Russia or the Russian civil society. If Russia ever did any proper investigation on anything, it is buried so deep in the Runet that knowledge of it has never entered the English speaking world.
Medvedev’s Russia agreed in the UN Security Council on devastating economic sanctions on Libya, including freezing $ 100 billion of assets on February 26th, only three days after the “al Baida Massacre”, a jihadist massacre of Libyan solders claimed by international Human Rights organizations to be Gaddafi “killing his own people!”
A month later Russia abandoned Libya to the mercy of the Western genocide machinery. Massacre after massacre followed, all of them attributed to Gaddafi and his “regime”.
If Russia ever had any real intelligence on the Ghouta CW massacre, it never shared it. Russia may have put its Mediterranean fleet face to face with the US fleet, maybe even showed off its nuclear warheads but it never really challenged the US on the information front.
What finally solved the Ghouta CW massacre was going body by body trough all 2000 or so victims and finding the murder weapon – a knife! (Or more precisely, the pool of blood around the body after the undead victim was stabbed.) By implication: if one of the alleged CW victims was murdered in cold blood by the alleged helpers, then all 2000 were murders in cold blood.
Russia did not help here. (It was a US doctor.) No one cared to collect and catalog and store for distribution the available evidence. Even simple things could have had a great impact. In our work we have not even received so much help from the target nations that we could transcribe a street sign or wall graffiti in Arabic.
@Petri Krohn: The MH17 attack could not have been a surprise. In fact, on the morning of July 17th the air was so full of anticipation of “something happening” that you could almost cut it with a knife.
There was actually someone on Twitter who had predicted the whole scenario, to the day. Came out with an “I told you so” and a screenshot after it happened (people actually remembered his prediction tweet). Unfortunately with the huge info flow I lost track of who it was. Hope they’re safe.
From Reuters: “Pro-Russian rebels have shot down two Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jets, a spokesman for Ukraine’s military operations said on Wednesday. The spokesman said the two were downed near Savur Mogila in eastern Ukraine.”
i’ll bet this is spun as the fighter jets were flying at 32,000 feet just like the Malaysian plane so more “proof” the wicked freedom fighters absolutely must have done it.
quick, cue “patriotic” chants of USA, USA before anyone questions other proof, like WMD, chemical weapons in Syria…
For national security reasons the data in question can only be answered in a classified, closed session and guess what, you’re not invited.
This is an enlightening photo montage because it should remind us …
Seventy-seven years ago, the Spanish town of Guernica was bombed into rubble. The brutal act propelled one of the world’s greatest artists into a three-week painting frenzy. Pablo Picasso’s “Guernica” starkly depicts the horrors of war, etched into the faces of people and animals on the 20-by-30ft canvas.
In February 2003, only weeks before the attack on Iraq, when Colin Powell and John Negroponte were trying to sell the upcoming war to the public at a United Nations press conference, they insisted that the painting had to be covered with a large curtain for the duration of the conference. Warmongers and liars don’t like it when they are confronted with the consequences of their vile actions, it seems.
There’s a popular anecdote about Picasso and Guernica, which is possibly not true: While living in Nazi-occupied Paris during World War II, Picasso suffered harassment from the Gestapo. One officer allegedly asked him, upon seeing a photo of Guernica in his apartment, “Did you do that?” Picasso responded, “No, you did.”
quote “Among them high-profile Graham Phillips” why is he high profile? because he is english/ so russian journalists have less value/ this shows how little russians value themselves!
@pteri krohn russia is determiend to self destruct then who can save her? the rusisans are incaable of knowing even simple fact that they msut destroy england the main enemy of russia and of the world to save themselves otherwise they always will have problem england is a parsite pest which msut be sorted out otherwise nations after antions willf all one by one -thatis world war 3 which has been in advanced stage for soem time now-only the stupid victims liek russia,china india and others donto know about it.,
He’s the son of a Ukrainian nationalist, who as many others of his kin, has found refuge in Canada post WWII.
The father, Bohdan R. Bociurkiw, was a prominent member of the numerous and influential Ukrainian-Canadian diaspora, made a university career as a specialist of Soviet policy and interactions between the Soviet state and the Ukrainian religious organizations (mainly focusing on the Ukrainian Uniate church).
The father was a convinced anti-Soviet militant.
The son has never hidden his pro-Maidan loyalties.
Marusya, the sister of Michael Bociurkiw, is a writer, a representative example of the new English-speaking Canadian-Ukrainian prose and an associate University professor.
Her writings mainly deal with multiculturalism, her Ukrainian roots, and her bisexual identity.
The USA has no domestic policy – since 9/11, it has consolidated internal police state powers and is in economic collapse. US foreign policy is now clear – WWIV. The only future for the US economy is to put it on a war footing.
I believe the Russian Federation saw this coming a long time ago, and everything we are witnessing from day to day reflects that reality.
I for one, as an American, will be fighting on the side of the Russian Federation.
I see the smoke & mirrors faction is out again in full force, trying to muddy the water, to distract from the issue at hand and generally to sabotage any rational fact-finding and analysis which could help to explain the cause of the MH17 disaster. Nothing much has changed since 9/11, it seems. Then we had a devil’s face in the smoke of the twin towers, masonic conspiracies and assorted “illuminati” all over the place. Now there’s a plane full of bloodless decaying corpses and far-fetched theories about the miraculous reappearance of the long lost MH370 … what next? Personally, I don’t care whether people who spread such nonsense are genuine assholes or whether they are nasty manipulators doing the dirty work of even nastier people based in the aptly named Foggy Bottom district of D.C. I can only recommend that people keep their feet on the ground, that they use their own reasoning powers and that they don’t waste their time with obscurantist garbage like that.
Every time I even think of that, I remember a friend in Khan Younis emailing me on the spot, “He has no scent!” Meaning no authenticity at all, just utterly transparent lies.
And people still fall for this stuff, which is even more poorly-done now than it was then! Mencken may have understated the problem…
@Martin Bochnig How can an *alive* person fall 10km from the sky, hit a road and THERE IS NO BLOOD??!!
Because if he was exposed to the outside from the start of his fall he would have been frozen after a few hundred meters. It’s minus 50c at 10km and the wind of the fall makes it even more effective: that’s how deep frozen food is made!
Indeed the whole Ukrainian crisis is very much related to the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Uniate church antagonism towards the Russian Orthodox Church.
Not sure if everybody understands this, but this conflict is as much about who is going to inherit the historical territory of the Kievan Rus: Orthodox Muscovites, or Greek-Catholic Galicians, as it is about the Atlanticist vs. Eurasianists geopolitics.
Western Ukrainian nationalists see themselves as the true heirs of the Kievan Rus, and they also see themselves as the heirs to the Byzantine Chuch after its union with the Roman Catholic Church.
They see Russians as Finno-Ugric and Tatar usurpers, who are not only not ethnically Slavs, but are schismatics from the religious point of view, which have usurped the leadership of Christendom in the land of Rus.
This is a very deep psychological and emotional motivation that is often overlooked, but is very much affecting the psyche of people such as Yarosh, who has spoken about “The liberation of Kievan Rus-Ukraina”.
They really see themselves as fighting against the ” Empire of Evil”.
A team of Pentagon officials is heading to Ukraine to help the country rebuild its fractured military, a mission that lawmakers and analysts expect will result in recommendations for greater military assistance in the country’s fight against pro-Russia separatists amid international outrage over the downing of a commercial airplane.
Within the next few weeks, a group of Defense Department representatives who specialize in strategy and policy will head to Kiev to evaluate specific programs that the United States may want to help bolster, said Army Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman.
All their clothes came off in the fall. Saw a Lifenews video with bodies in the fields of corn, where a woman said the clothes fell after the bodies. So the temperature freeze dried them and the fall denuded them. That explains everything except the stench, which was first militia and then I saw several very separate places where the people reported the stench of the corpses immediately.
So what’s the reason for that?
And wouldn’t the blood eventually thaw and leak out of the wounds, like torn off head, limbs and some perforations?
The temperature for three days didn’t thaw them?
Just asking. Maybe someone with medical knowledge knows why these phenomena were present here and never reported at other air crashes. Could be unique to Malaysian Air. They seem to have a special role in modern aviation disaster stories.
You can’t make this stuff up. Or you can make this stuff up.
I do it in my books. I write fiction. Anything is possible in fiction.
He is listed in this publication as the coordinator/leader of the OSCE investigation team, and I cite in Russian:
Майкла Боцюркива, назначенного руководить Специальной мониторинговой миссией ОБСЕ на Украине, которая и будет координировать расследование авиакатастрофы.
Translated in English:
Michael Bociurkiw appointed to lead the Special OSCE monitoring mission in Ukraine, which will coordinate the investigation of the crash.
The author of the regnum article seems knowledgeable about Bociurkiw’s role in the OSCE investigation, as much as he is knowledgeable about Bociurkiw’s family’s background, and his role as the representative of the Canadian Ukrainian diaspora to maidan.
So the question I ask is: how could Russia ever accept this person among the OSCE team investigating the MH17 tragedy?
And even more so in a leading position?
I think it is a question worth asking, which has nothing to do with propaganda or disinformation.
So Dutch official and social media are purportedly full of anger over the handling of the crash site and the bodies based on distortions and misrepresentations of the actual situation on the ground and what has occurred there. BBC, which is a prime offender in spreading such lies and rumors, is now ‘wondering’ (read hoping) if Dutch grief will now turn fully to anger against Russia and support for harsher sanctions. Makes one’s blood boil.
Probably hardcore is too young to have ever heard of this experience of an F-8 Crusader pilot about 50 years ago. He did suffer frost bite and he bled. He was not quick frozen and lived to tell about it. It is worth noting that deep frozen food is already dead when put in the freezer. A living mammal takes quite a long time to freeze solid.
Unless reuters is seriously distorting what he said, it looks like all the rumours about Khodakovsky being in the pay of the ZPC/NWO (through Ahkmentov or whoever) and setting up the earlier disaster at the Danbas airport and the ambulance massacre are true.
Exclusive: Ukraine rebel commander acknowledges fighters had BUK missile
This meme about the bodies freezing is nonsense. In the 2.5 to 3 minutes it would take the body to fall, it would not not freeze solid, or probably at all. Flash freezing is done at temps close to -200 deg C. But just for the sake of argument, even if the bodies froze, all that frozen blood would thaw after the bodies layed around for a bit – so there would STILL be lots of blood on the ground at the crash site. Ever thaw some frozen meat and notice all the liquids that come out?
Vostok commander Reuters interview: read carefully, admits nothing except accuses Ukropy SU25 false flag. Buys time for Putin to convince Merkel before he has to do whatever he has to do tomorrow.
Украинский Су-25 попытался обстрелять экспертов из Малайзии на месте авиакатастрофы (Ukrainian su-25 attempted to engage experts from Malaysia on the site of the crash)
“The su-25 attack aircraft of the air force of Ukraine attempted firing on a group of international experts from Malaysia and the OSCE, working on the crash site Boeing under Donetsk, reported on Wednesday by telephone, Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk national Republic Alexander Borodai.
“In the area of the fall of Boeing has arrived group of Malaysian experts and OSCE experts. Now they attempted to engage the su-25 now, in this moment,” he said, reports RIA “Novosti”.
Earlier it was reported that on a place of accident there are three Malaysian expert. Field continue to protect militias DND.
On Tuesday it was reported that a group of Malaysian experts, who tried to travel to the place of the crash Boeing, came under fire of the Ukrainian aviation…”
These are not accidental attacks by the ZPC/NWO proxies, and a sure sign of direct American or Israeli control of operations.
So You did not like my idea of Putin publically handing the black boxes to Merkel.We would not be worrying about Cameron/Farnborough as we are now. OK,heres another ,bit left field.The nations of BRICS immediately refuse to acknowledge the US Dollar.Dead stop.Thjey go planB ,gold backed Ruyuan tomorrow.fuck america and its financial blackmailers. try that for size MR V V. And please dont censor my posts AGAIN.Im on your side FFS. id =XbNB
Yesterday the Ukrainian security service SBU ( basically a CIA franchise) has released a recording of Khodavskyi affirming on the phone that “Moscow has asked not to transfer the (MH17) black boxes to anyone”.
He was also responsible for the Donetsk airport disaster.), he has ordered the attack which was turned into a mayhem for the DPR’s militia.
And he confirmed that Kadyrov’s Chechens fought in Vostok battalion, but as he stated: “(T)hey’ve all gone back (to Russia) already”.
We have to remember that Khodakovskyi is a former SBU officer…
From time to time I try to stand back and get a bigger picture.
Question is: Why now? What was the compelling reason for the events in Kiev the resulted in the confrontation with Moscow (which could have easily predicted)? The collapse of the petro-dollar is enevitable as are BRICS type of reallignments.
Again in a different way: what is the immediate threat to the “Anglo/ZIonists” that is forcing a rapid confrontation with Russia and China?
passive radar guided air to air missle would hit the nose where the radar array is.”
Thanks for posting that photo showing the part of the airliner it came from.
This is a very important piece of evidence of air to air attack, rather than a missile if seen in conjunction with the Russian military data of the Ukraine military aircraft “popping up” in front of the airliner just before it disappeared from radar. It also helps explain some other info released.
If the Su-25 that popped up from low altitude in front of the airliner fired AA missiles, they would confront the airliner from the forward sector and damage would most likely be in the forward part of the aircraft. The cockpit looks like it was completely riddled, there is probably very little chance the pilots even had time to react, let alone send a distress message.
From that angle of approach, it’s likely the airline pilots didn’t see the Su-25 attacking them and probably didn’t see the missiles(s) until maybe the last second before the explosion which killed them. I’ll bet the cockpit voice recorders wont have anything more from the pilots, at that last moment, than exclamation of shock.
This could explain why the airliner slowed down the last couple of minutes. With the cockpit wrecked and the pilots dead, the throttle mechanism or something else may have been affected, which slowed down the airliner. It could of flew steady for a short while as it was breaking up.
Targeting the front of the airliner had to be planned and was why the Su-25 attacked from the front and below, out of view from the airliner’s cockpit. They wanted to reduce the chance as much as possible that the pilots would be able to ID their attacker and get a message out, or even say something that could be recorded on the voice recorder. They wanted instant decapitation of the airliner.
FWIW, I was in downtown MAnhattan yesterday and walked around ground zero for the first time sinse before 911.
I was overcome with disgust and revulsion at the travesty the occured there not too long ago, and disgusted by that gaping hole in the ground of a memorial that was put there.
This is written on the bases of long practical experience.
In propaganda purpose and audience are always key.
Succesful propaganda is a lateral process of emotional oscillation – delivery needing few words but design many considerations.
Succesful purpose is attained subliminally; the minimum desired impact – catalysing a lateral process of questioning prevailing perceptions – aka prejudice.
Prevailing perception and its potency tends to be audience specific.
However using doublethink, humour can also re-inforce prevailing perceptions.
It is true that humour can act also as a safety valve and hence dissipate focus into areas of self congratulation in being a member of the cognescenti, and undermining resolve.
Much humour is based on discordance, and the sparing use of culturally specific imagery can catalyse subliminal discordance if the audience is capable of perceiving discordance in the ways the catalyser targets.
Evaluating propaganda requires a large datastream and rigorous methodology – the opponents understand the first part hence electronic surveillance, but fortunately not the second, although recent scrabbling efforts via facebook etc show the oppononents are aware of their lacunae.
In the light of the above perhaps you could reconsider your contention that ” Ridicule is the best weapon in propaganda wars” and consider that ridicule is one propaganda weapon like others always context specific and to be used sparingly.
This present image in this context may on balance serve rather harm present purpose.
No absolutes exist – propaganda is complex presented as simple.
When asked your opinion on a survey – always give the opposite to your opinion – poison the datastream.
Anonymous wrote: “””””So You did not like my idea of Putin publically handing the black boxes to Merkel.We would not be worrying about Cameron/Farnborough as we are now.”””””
Let me tell you as East-German: 0==0 Merkel bitch or Cameron puppet == ZEROTRUST == USA’s marionettes
It would have backfired twice: Western mouthpieces MSM would claim, Putin? Oh well, he “adjusted” it.
Well, the lies and untruth stories are going to be our everyday puzle. This maneuver of changing the story of the US inteligence is just a game nothing else. They are going to lie till last minute, but of course I had a very good laugh from the picture even it is fake, but it describes the situation where the loosers get themselves by changing the lies every day. I’m looking for the movie recently released abou the Khodorkovskij / now living in Switzerland /and the name of the movie is “Khodorkovskij’s pipeline and corpses” Please if someone has this documentary movie with the English translation I would really appreciate to post a link. It supposed to be a very revealing movie how these guys operates and how they get rich sundenly
On frozen persons falling from the sky remember the opponents developed a whole branch of medicine on this topic initially informed by data and “experts” formerly employed at Dachau and other facilities then exported through Paperclip.
The following could be just a tortuous fantasy, or…. In events such as the shotdown of MH17, with their high number of victims and high emotional impact, finding the adversary to blame is a common game, as some similar cases in the past teach. Expecially when a confrontation is under way that is related to the tragedy. Each “fighting” part accuses the other. On the other side, even those that have evidence, do not disclose in full it to show that they are right and the opposite is to blame. That is only partially due to the need to not expose their own detection-intelligence capabilities. There can be another reason: that, indeed, both parties (or their “puppets”) have something to blame or to hide. When this is the case, after a first stage of reciprocal and hot accuses, the tones moderate, and, as the past experience has shown, reciprocal signals of a possible common acceptable compromise are sent from both parties. Until a final reciprocally satisfying approch is found that, so to say, blames and at the same does not blame both and no one, leaving to each one some justification for their behavior in the events. Are we assisting to this phase, now? USA (with their Ukies puppets) blamed the “rebels” and hence Russia as “barbaric” and “in-humane” at the beginning, and when Russia started, finally, to disclose some of their sound information, then the tone, from USA, changed. The rebels are to blame, as before, but with some excuse to have done a mistake during a military action, while there is not proof that Russia helped them in such action, providing the used military equipment. We have to undestand that, if the “rebels” are culpable, their action can indeed only have been a mistake. But, if the Ukies are to blame, that was a crime on purpose (to accuse of it Russia thanks to US and MSM). Two very different levels of culpability (even if the MSM will enhancet only the first). If that is true, in some sense, we could see the USA as “disperately” trying to offer to Russia a compromise. Even, it may be, in the next days, going further, admitting that who fired were yes Ukrainian units, but that, however, had just defected (to explain some elements surfacing in the web, as the uniforms and the actual location of the launchers). So, if this is the situation, what Russia has to do: accept the compromise or going on, disclosing all the information to definitively discredit both the Ukies (and their sponsors)? Probably, this would be the course, if all the blame were on the ukies, in the sense said above. But, what if that action was also a ukie mistake? The “rebels” have only, as reported, one SU-25. The ukies have brought in, close to the Russia border, several BUK units, to be prepared to repell feared russian airstrikes from altitude to their heavy armored units attacking Novorossia and shelling the cities. Now, this lone SU-25 was making a flight for a mission when some Buk units detected it and decided to engage it. He was flying close to its normal max altitude (about 6000-7000m), when his sensors detect the aiming of the tracking radar. . What is his reaction? A formidable pull up to try to excape (for some reasons he could not do the opposite). In this manouvre it arrives close to 10.000 m high, and, by chance or purpotely, close to a big airliner. The rocket guidance system becomes locked to such much bigger echos and the missile/missiles deviate and hit that, while the Su-25 makes a dive and excape (or, pheraphs, it too is hit:…there were talks of one parachute). The other unknown radar echos appearing while the MH13 is falling could have been a ukies interceptor rushing to try to catch the pulling up SU-25, or (less probably) a big flat debris from MH17 “sailing” while, relatively slowingly, going down. So, we have a scenario in which the Ukies are culpable but by mistake, while the SU-25 of the “rebels” (where is it now?), with its evading manouvres, could also be blamed. A compromise in view?
@Larchmonter, GlebBazov and Gayle Can you share the source of your optimism about the situation on the ground because this is Strelkov’s latest SITREP, and it doesn’t bode well. It translates to Donetsk slowly but surely being encircled and cut off from LNR. This developing catastrophe is being confirmed by colonel Cassad and voices of Sevastopol as well so kindly point me to the source of your optimism. Strelkov: “Karlovka we left last night, as Nikolova as Pervomaisky is under threat environment, and subsequent destruction of the available there our small forces. The first went platoon “East”, followed by our company of the battalion “Kalmius”. On command, without loss in engineering and with minor losses in men. To give ukrem “at the mercy” several platoons good infantry in our conditions it would be criminal. Yes, the enemy is the result was unblocked the airport and went directly to the North-Western outskirts of Donetsk, but it would have happened with a delay of no more than a day, and hundreds of militia would have paid with their lives for this gain, nothing in General, is not significant. Still the enemy deep into the city will not go: “bad dumb”. Donetsk is not a tiny Dzerzhinsk a garrison of 80 fighters… They will try us cut off and forced to leave – on the model of Slavyansk. If still foolishly climb – “welcome!”
T1, the bigger picture might actually be quite small.
Assuming that the shoot down was from Ukrainian government forces the chances are that it was to enable a reframing of the conflict in the south east such that the Ukrainian forces bottled up along the Russian border and getting a real pasting could be released. At the same time the inevitable distraction would enable a new offensive in the north and west.
Of course the political fallout and calls for help were/are bonuses.
And, of course, it does not really matter what actually happened because the narrative will be forced upon the majority of the people that this was a rebel and/or Russian event with all that entails.
“abou the Khodorkovskij / now living in Switzerland “ now why was that criminbal releqased by putin -is this not itnerference in judiciary to please his anglo freinds putin was so desperate to be in good books of anglos that he released the traitors and criminals! not only that putin,knowing very well the machinations of anglos west and all other crimes in syria iraq was still hoping for better relations with west. wheat it means is that russia has no moral standing it also wants to be part of the lkoot done by west -onlky trouble is anglos want to loot russia too. what a sad come down for russia to coem to this low moral standard where it wants to bepart of evil anglos emoire rather than resist this.
quote “What could Russia expect from an OSCE investigation led by Bociurkiw?” this and the fact that black box was sent to england the centre of maoney launderers and evil plotters. is there a more stupid nation than russia? self destruction built into its nature.
quote ” believe the Russian Federation saw this coming a long time ago, and everything we are witnessing from day to day reflects that reality.
I for one, as an American, will be fighting on the side of the Russian Federation.” i am afraid russia always lives in illusion. russia bever learns may be russia shoudl start a foreing legion who will fight on her behalf in the foreing lands just because russiansd are too stupid to plot or think anything agasint their anglos enemies.
“(Australian) Prime Minister Tony Abbott has asked Defence chiefs and senior government officials to prepare plans for Australia to join a possible multinational force to enter Ukraine to secure the crash site of MH17.
Hardening his language around the need for international intervention to ensure a genuine air crash investigation and recovery effort is conducted, Mr Abbott on Wednesday signalled he was willing to send more Australians to Ukraine to enforce the United Nations resolution that the almost 300 victims are recovered ”with immediate effect”. ”
Now nothing Australia does is on its own now, so we can reasonably speculate the he has been contacted by the US to sound him out to see if we would send forces to the Ukraine, right into rebel territory.
Probably the planned ‘end game’ from this (increasingly likely) ‘false flag’ operation*, though there is a lot of back peddling going on now.
NATO in, clear the rebels, invade Crimea…and so on.
And what is the current status of “Rapid Trident 2014 — a large, USAREUR-led multinational exercise scheduled for July — is ongoing, he said.
hat exercise, in Lviv, near the Polish border, is to “promote regional stability and security, strengthen partnership capacity, and foster trust while improving interoperability between USAREUR, the land forces of Ukraine, and other (NATO and partner) nations,” according to the USAEUR website.
In addition to USAREUR troops, Rapid Trident 2014 will include units from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Canada, Georgia, Germany, Moldova, Poland, Romania, the United Kingdom and Ukraine, Westover said. It will feature a combined U.S. and Ukrainian battalion headquarters practicing a peacekeeping operation, he said. “Exercise planning will continue until we are told otherwise. ”
* I predicted ‘something’ would happen in July on this site a few months ago..
I live in one of the reddest parts of one of the reddest states, and there’s an article in the local newspaper about how Ron Paul sees a big conspiracy around the downing of MH17, and how the US line is all wrong. Paul is right in the money with this. Please add your comments to the article to back him up!
вот так Imagine and “X” where one stroke is the airliner path and the other the fighter. The attack came from below and left (at least in the case of the missile’s trajectory). The fighter climbed to it’s max altitude (app 10km) , fired the AtoA, and then descended. The missile flew the remaining distance in altitude and detonated near the trailing edge of the LEFT wing tip (photo of crash wreckage shows slashes caused by rods discharged from AtoA which rake toward the cockpit) and the left side of the cockpit looking like swiss cheese. SHeared the wing off and the airliner descended essentailly in one piece till impact. The 3-D simulation on Russian TV made truly sensational case…pity it is not on youtube (that I know of). We saw it on RssianTVClub.com news programming last night…very disturbing… along with expert testimony that a BUK would have turned the airliner into confetti… no large peices in close proximity (small debris field) which is what the crash site looks like from published photos. They’d still be collecting bits of bodies from Donesk to Rostow if a BUK hit it… Nard
oldskeptic – if so that may be motivating Russia to move first. They are better positioned to very quickly intercede and have been practicing all summer. Once NATO got there they would never leave.
For me, I look at videos of the units in action, before action and after action. They are small, fast units that have very high morale.
They are the units taking the fight to the Ukies. Strelkov is dug in. All he gets is reports and he wants to stop the artillery and aerial bombardment but has no way as yet.
That’s why he is always complaining. Over in Lugansk, Bolotov set his units back on the counter-attack and they kicked some ass.
I think the militia needs 2500 more men. Volunteers from Russia. Vets. That’s who is fighting. The locals are guards at blockade points. They have little experience and when attacked generally withdraw.
The city defense is a political decision. You need the cities of the Oblasts to be recognized as Novorossia. So Strelkov has the unlucky duty to hold cities. He gets the bejesus kicked out of him.
The next round of escalation will see better counter-artillery “found” for the militia to silence the GRADS and other missiles.
Russia must win this war. Understand that. There is no maybe about it. Russia MUST WIN!. Now when you begin from that imperative, you can understand why I think the militia will win.
If I am wrong in my premise of the imperative, Russia is gone. Do you think that is going to happen? No Russia?
Or do you think somehow Putin is taken out? That is a possibility. But I believe that won’t happen. And therefore, Russian must win, the militia is the instrument of victory and I am positive in my outlook, even thought there are days and weeks when the flow is negative and I get worried.
Strelkov is a symbol for some. I don’t rate him that important in the long run. Putin is important. Strelkov is a Colonel. Colonels are a dime a dozen for nations like Russia. What he brings is inspiration to some of the most aggressive scout and sabotage sniper/mortar units. He brought some of them with him. They fight for him.
But ultimately, Lugansk is more important for resupply. Donetsk seems to be important for maneuver and ultimately for the drive that crushes the Ukies. The people there go to the beach.
However, I think there will be a push out from Crimea soon. This will be drive that fractures the Ukie command. It will be like two armies in two theaters of war. Fewer planes over either area. Supply lines longer. The Ukies will be totally confused.
Putin and the military of the RF have a strategic battle plan that we will soon see in an enlarged militia.
I imagine all this stuff. Because Russia cannot lose in Ukraine. That’s where my thinking begins and ends.
U.S. Admits Its MH17 ‘Evidence’ is Based on YouTube Clips & Social Media Posts
AP journalist challenges State Department spokesperson on official narrative
Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com July 22, 2014
In a testy exchange between AP reporter Matt Lee and U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf, Lee virtually corners Harf into admitting that the “evidence” presented by the U.S. to blame Russian-backed rebels for the shoot down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 amounts to nothing more than YouTube videos and social media posts.
“MOSCOW, July 23 (RIA Novosti) – The Moscow-based Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) said Wednesday its expert will take part in retrieving and deciphering data from black boxes of the crashed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 plane.
“On 22 July 2014 an official representative of IAC joined the work of international commission on the investigation of the incident with Boeing 777 aircraft which was established after the adoption of the UN Security Council Resolution and will participate in the reading of flight recorders “black boxes” data in the UK,” the IAC statement says.
IAC is an organization overseeing civil aviation in Russia and a number of former Soviet republics, including Ukraine, where the Malaysian plane crashed last week, killing all 298 people on board…”
That should make it more difficult for Israel’s pet public schoolbois to alter the data, at least. Maybe prevent them from doing it, hopefully.
Wont stop the ZPC/NWO quislings from falsely reporting what the data says, though. That they’ll try that can be pretty much guaranteed.
Khodakovsky is claiming reuters misstated what he said about the milias having a Buk system. It wont be the first time the zio presstitutes have done this, and reuters has been in the vanguard of the ZPC slander campaign against Russia and Novorossia. Literally just about everything they have written about either has been goebelsian lies.
Источник: Ходаковский не говорил о применении ополченцами «Бука» (Source: Khodakovsky not talked about the use of militias “Buka”)
“The commander of the battalion “East” Alexander khodakovskiy denied that Reuters in an interview he talked about the application of the militia system “Buk”, said a source in the entourage of the commander.
“I didn’t say anything like Reuters, and I have a record of the conversation”, – quoted a source words of Khodakovsky, transfers RIA of “news”.
Reuters had earlier published an interview in which Khodakovsky, allegedly said that the militia was rocket launcher “Buk” at the time of the disaster Malaysian Boeing-777.
As reported, the comments stated that even if the plane was shot down from this installation, the Ukrainian side did everything to provoke this blow…”
Whether reuters accurately stated what Khodakovsky said, or resorted to their usual falsehoods, it was a rather clever move of the ZPC fascists to use Khodakovsky this way since he is already “tainted goods” in the eyes of the Novorussian supporters and such a sell out by Khodakovsky would not be unexpected.
There isn’t direct visual evidence of the distance between the fallen bodies and the actual crash site, but, obviously, there’s a certain distance between them.
It looks like [not a wild guess] a part of MH17 was damaged enough for bodies to be sucked out of the plane [pressurized vs depressurized] and thus ‘rain down.’
This does not tell ‘us’ whether the missile was STA or ATA, but my gut tells me it has to be ATA and that means another plane/jet in the vicinity of the crash site.
All in all [with the additional Russian sitrep] it’s almost certain the Kiev fascists are the culprits of this heinous crime and the answer to the ‘cui bono’ question is thus obvious.
I thought of the picture of a cartoon bomb that Netanyahu held up at the UN when I saw the American “evidence” myself, but the Colon Powell one works too.
Thanks needed a chuckle.
Stepping Razor.
Thanks Saker, I needed a laugh this morning
This montage needs to go viral on social media. Ridicule is the best weapon in propaganda wars.
Video made my western journalist Ostrovski, watch in fullscreen: How can an *alive* person fall 10km from the sky, hit a road and THERE IS NO BLOOD??!! Shocking: No blood at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2rfWBW4wg#t=322
It really begins to appear, as if it is really http://opensxce.blogspot.de/2014/07/obviously-nobody-can-verify-this-but.html
However: Cartoons shown by USrael are more trustworthy, aren’t they? I propose somebody contacts the real Powell so he can return back to office for one day and show this damn authentic cartoon evidence to the UNSC *lol* :)
Sometimes I wonder, why the RF isn’t showing more of the real proof it has, to the world community. With 9/11 I always asked and continue to ask myself the same questions.
Morons think the West is vulnerable to humour and mocking. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The modern Angle-Saxon regimes- the most powerful the Earth has ever seen- actually encourage the sheeple and their ‘clowns’ to laugh at their ‘betters’ on a daily basis- with excellent psychological reason. In Britain, centuries ago, the most vicious political cartoons, that would have got the author executed in any other nation, were laughed at as much by the ‘victims’ as those foolish enough to think the ‘victims’ were damaged by such.
In the US Constitution, satirical ‘speech’ directly mocking the most powerful figures in US public life is protected by Law- why do you think that is so?
Sheeple anger and distress is a danger to those that need the passive support of the sheeple. Laughter diffuses such emotions, safely and cleanly. It makes the sheeple feel ‘powerful’, while in reality they are demonstrating their powerlessness.
The woman that laid down the ground for Tony Blair- Margaret Thatcher- had her rule coincide with the TV show “Spitting Image”- where puppets designed by ‘lefties’ to be as ‘cruel’ as possible, portrayed Thatcher and her cronies in the worst possible light. Thatcher adored the show.
What the West wants is for people to keep talking about the false flag for as long as possible. So the West blows ‘hot’ then ‘cold’ to generate ‘talking points’ so fools think they are scoring some kind of verbal victory. When you have no power, all you can do is talk.
The picture merely reminds one that the USA didn’t pay even the tiniest penalty for lying at the UN in order to murder two million people in Iraq. Is THAT funny?
Russia should demand that the UN Security Council refers the MH17 case to the ICC. If the US has any evidence against a Russian or Novorossiyan, they should present it there or shut up.
As the International Red Cross has recognized the conflict as a war, NAF can no longer be charged with terrorism. If it was a NAF missile, then criminal responsibility stops at the solder who operated the controls. No one can be accused for moving an AA missile battery to a town that was bombed the day before, with 13 civilians killed. War causes collateral damage; so far the junta has killed at least twice as many civilians as were on the plane.
On the other hand, if the junta was responsible, this would be the chance to put them away for life. There can be no military rationale for shooting down a civilian airliner. Criminal responsibility extends to the very top, where ever that is. (Patrick Armstrong suggested somewhere that it is the State Department, not the CIA who are the Masters of Chaos.) If the US knows the truth, then they might oppose referring the case to the ICC. In that case too they should shut up!
The Ukie pilot who fired the missile may get away; may be he was told he would be shooting at Putin’s plane.
AAAhhh
Colon Prowl his self, LOL!
I wrote a long rant accusing Russia of incompetence. Ended up posting it as a blog.
Russia, Libya, Syria, & MH17
I spent an hour yesterday yelling my head off on the telephone with my friend and Finnish contact in Moscow. This was after looking at the shrapnel patterns on the wreckage and finally realizing that MH17 was not an accident but a false-flag attack targeted at Russia and Putin personally. The reason for my anger was the total incompetence and the total unpreparedness of Russia in facing MH17 – and more generally – the lack of support Russia has given to those fighting for Russian in the information war in the English speaking world.
The MH17 attack could not have been a surprise. In fact, on the morning of July 17th the air was so full of anticipation of “something happening” that you could almost cut it with a knife.
I have been investigating this crime for three years, that is long before it even happened. This is not an isolated crime but only one in a long series of geopolitical crimes, each one them coming closer and closer to Moscow. Each one of them directed from the same command center somewhere deep in the Empire of Chaos* – with full participation of the bullhorns of the Western “free” press. With my friend Adam Larson we have been able to solve many or even most of these “massacres” and show that they are false-flag attacks.
In all these years we have received no help or support from Russia or the Russian civil society. If Russia ever did any proper investigation on anything, it is buried so deep in the Runet that knowledge of it has never entered the English speaking world.
Medvedev’s Russia agreed in the UN Security Council on devastating economic sanctions on Libya, including freezing $ 100 billion of assets on February 26th, only three days after the “al Baida Massacre”, a jihadist massacre of Libyan solders claimed by international Human Rights organizations to be Gaddafi “killing his own people!”
A month later Russia abandoned Libya to the mercy of the Western genocide machinery. Massacre after massacre followed, all of them attributed to Gaddafi and his “regime”.
If Russia ever had any real intelligence on the Ghouta CW massacre, it never shared it. Russia may have put its Mediterranean fleet face to face with the US fleet, maybe even showed off its nuclear warheads but it never really challenged the US on the information front.
What finally solved the Ghouta CW massacre was going body by body trough all 2000 or so victims and finding the murder weapon – a knife! (Or more precisely, the pool of blood around the body after the undead victim was stabbed.) By implication: if one of the alleged CW victims was murdered in cold blood by the alleged helpers, then all 2000 were murders in cold blood.
Russia did not help here. (It was a US doctor.) No one cared to collect and catalog and store for distribution the available evidence. Even simple things could have had a great impact. In our work we have not even received so much help from the target nations that we could transcribe a street sign or wall graffiti in Arabic.
…rant ends, continued with links.
There is long list of publications and research material in the blog post (all by our team).
The Russian Foreign Ministry has demanded the immediate release of journalists working for RT and the ANNA news agency.
Among them high-profile Graham Phillips. This situation is going to have legs, I think.
@Petri Krohn: The MH17 attack could not have been a surprise. In fact, on the morning of July 17th the air was so full of anticipation of “something happening” that you could almost cut it with a knife.
There was actually someone on Twitter who had predicted the whole scenario, to the day. Came out with an “I told you so” and a screenshot after it happened (people actually remembered his prediction tweet). Unfortunately with the huge info flow I lost track of who it was. Hope they’re safe.
From Reuters:
“Pro-Russian rebels have shot down two Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jets, a spokesman for Ukraine’s military operations said on Wednesday. The spokesman said the two were downed near Savur Mogila in eastern Ukraine.”
i’ll bet this is spun as the fighter jets were flying at 32,000 feet just like the Malaysian plane so more “proof” the wicked freedom fighters absolutely must have done it.
quick, cue “patriotic” chants of USA, USA before anyone questions other proof, like WMD, chemical weapons in Syria…
For national security reasons the data in question can only be answered in a classified, closed session and guess what, you’re not invited.
This is an enlightening photo montage because it should remind us …
Seventy-seven years ago, the Spanish town of Guernica was bombed into rubble. The brutal act propelled one of the world’s greatest artists into a three-week painting frenzy. Pablo Picasso’s “Guernica” starkly depicts the horrors of war, etched into the faces of people and animals on the 20-by-30ft canvas.
In February 2003, only weeks before the attack on Iraq, when Colin Powell and John Negroponte were trying to sell the upcoming war to the public at a United Nations press conference, they insisted that the painting had to be covered with a large curtain for the duration of the conference. Warmongers and liars don’t like it when they are confronted with the consequences of their vile actions, it seems.
There’s a popular anecdote about Picasso and Guernica, which is possibly not true: While living in Nazi-occupied Paris during World War II, Picasso suffered harassment from the Gestapo. One officer allegedly asked him, upon seeing a photo of Guernica in his apartment, “Did you do that?” Picasso responded, “No, you did.”
Great instihg! That’s the answer we’ve been looking for.
BREAKING Obama sends ‘military advisers’ to Ukraine.
BREAKING Ukropy claims 2 SU25s shot down by Russia near Saur-Grave.
One of the latest articles published by the Daily Mail was so pathetic that it even insults the intelligence of the average British ‘lager lout’ yob.
Review the comments to see how many Brits are no longer buying the BS:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702130/The-selfish-cowardice-Germany-France-Italy-little-bring-Putin-Kremlin-gangsters-line.html
quote “Among them high-profile Graham Phillips”
why is he high profile? because he is english/
so russian journalists have less value/
this shows how little russians value themselves!
@pteri krohn
russia is determiend to self destruct then who can save her?
the rusisans are incaable of knowing even simple fact that they msut destroy england the main enemy of russia and of the world to save themselves otherwise they always will have problem
england is a parsite pest which msut be sorted out otherwise nations after antions willf all one by one -thatis world war 3 which has been in advanced stage for soem time now-only the stupid victims liek russia,china india and others donto know about it.,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfotnnYpzes
This guy here is the head of the OSCE inquiery team responsible for the elucidation of the MH17 downing.
http://www.osce.org/contacts/117909
Please meet Michael Bociurkiw.
http://m.huffpost.com/ca/author/michael-bociurkiw/
He’s the son of a Ukrainian nationalist, who as many others of his kin, has found refuge in Canada post WWII.
The father, Bohdan R. Bociurkiw, was a prominent member of the numerous and influential Ukrainian-Canadian diaspora, made a university career as a specialist of Soviet policy and interactions between the Soviet state and the Ukrainian religious organizations (mainly focusing on the Ukrainian Uniate church).
The father was a convinced anti-Soviet militant.
The son has never hidden his pro-Maidan loyalties.
EuroMaidan in Vancouver: http://youtu.be/hnZyf8d85oE
(Notice the red-black flag of the Ukrainian nationalists in the right corner).
Post Crimea Flag Ceremony in Maidan: http://youtu.be/xC1aO5eQ0h4
Call to Arms: http://youtu.be/d1-x_0Mpit8
Marusya, the sister of Michael Bociurkiw, is a writer, a representative example of the new English-speaking Canadian-Ukrainian prose and an associate University professor.
Her writings mainly deal with multiculturalism, her Ukrainian roots, and her bisexual identity.
You can find an example of her writings here:
http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/canadian_ethnic_studies/v039/39.3.klymasz.html
Basically the whole family seems to me a typical example of the diaspora Ukrainian intellectuals well adapted to their north-american homeland.
What could Russia expect from an OSCE investigation led by Bociurkiw?
I guess that the answer is obvious.
The USA has no domestic policy – since 9/11, it has consolidated internal police state powers and is in economic collapse. US foreign policy is now clear – WWIV. The only future for the US economy is to put it on a war footing.
I believe the Russian Federation saw this coming a long time ago, and everything we are witnessing from day to day reflects that reality.
I for one, as an American, will be fighting on the side of the Russian Federation.
Well I’m convinced. They would have saved everyone a load of trouble and grief if they had shown this before the plane was shot down.
I see the smoke & mirrors faction is out again in full force, trying to muddy the water, to distract from the issue at hand and generally to sabotage any rational fact-finding and analysis which could help to explain the cause of the MH17 disaster. Nothing much has changed since 9/11, it seems. Then we had a devil’s face in the smoke of the twin towers, masonic conspiracies and assorted “illuminati” all over the place. Now there’s a plane full of bloodless decaying corpses and far-fetched theories about the miraculous reappearance of the long lost MH370 … what next? Personally, I don’t care whether people who spread such nonsense are genuine assholes or whether they are nasty manipulators doing the dirty work of even nastier people based in the aptly named Foggy Bottom district of D.C. I can only recommend that people keep their feet on the ground, that they use their own reasoning powers and that they don’t waste their time with obscurantist garbage like that.
Every time I even think of that, I remember a friend in Khan Younis emailing me on the spot, “He has no scent!” Meaning no authenticity at all, just utterly transparent lies.
And people still fall for this stuff, which is even more poorly-done now than it was then! Mencken may have understated the problem…
Just a thought here… Would blood freeze at 33000ft? Frozen carcasses wouldnt bleed…. Just sayin…
@Martin Bochnig
How can an *alive* person fall 10km from the sky, hit a road and THERE IS NO BLOOD??!!
Because if he was exposed to the outside from the start of his fall he would have been frozen after a few hundred meters.
It’s minus 50c at 10km and the wind of the fall makes it even more effective: that’s how deep frozen food is made!
Daruma Doll,
Here’s more on the front man of the OSCE, Bociurkiw.
Basically, exposes the Ukranian Church movement and the US-Ukrainian ties going back to his father’s Galician birth.
OSCE Stooge
Indeed the whole Ukrainian crisis is very much related to the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Uniate church antagonism towards the Russian Orthodox Church.
Not sure if everybody understands this, but this conflict is as much about who is going to inherit the historical territory of the Kievan Rus: Orthodox Muscovites, or Greek-Catholic Galicians, as it is about the Atlanticist vs. Eurasianists geopolitics.
Western Ukrainian nationalists see themselves as the true heirs of the Kievan Rus, and they also see themselves as the heirs to the Byzantine Chuch after its union with the Roman Catholic Church.
They see Russians as Finno-Ugric and Tatar usurpers, who are not only not ethnically Slavs, but are schismatics from the religious point of view, which have usurped the leadership of Christendom in the land of Rus.
This is a very deep psychological and emotional motivation that is often overlooked, but is very much affecting the psyche of people such as Yarosh, who has spoken about “The liberation of Kievan Rus-Ukraina”.
They really see themselves as fighting against the ” Empire of Evil”.
Looking more like war every day:
Obama orders Pentagon advisers to Ukraine to fend off Putin-backed rebels
A team of Pentagon officials is heading to Ukraine to help the country rebuild its fractured military, a mission that lawmakers and analysts expect will result in recommendations for greater military assistance in the country’s fight against pro-Russia separatists amid international outrage over the downing of a commercial airplane.
Within the next few weeks, a group of Defense Department representatives who specialize in strategy and policy will head to Kiev to evaluate specific programs that the United States may want to help bolster, said Army Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman.
More at link
hardcore,
All their clothes came off in the fall. Saw a Lifenews video with bodies in the fields of corn, where a woman said the clothes fell after the bodies. So the temperature freeze dried them and the fall denuded them. That explains everything except the stench, which was first militia and then I saw several very separate places where the people reported the stench of the corpses immediately.
So what’s the reason for that?
And wouldn’t the blood eventually thaw and leak out of the wounds, like torn off head, limbs and some perforations?
The temperature for three days didn’t thaw them?
Just asking. Maybe someone with medical knowledge knows why these phenomena were present here and never reported at other air crashes. Could be unique to Malaysian Air. They seem to have a special role in modern aviation disaster stories.
You can’t make this stuff up. Or you can make this stuff up.
I do it in my books. I write fiction. Anything is possible in fiction.
The situation in Donbass on the evening of July 23
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3118-situaciya-na-donbasse-na-vecher-23-iyulya.html
вот так
Great photo. LOL. False flags aren’t as easy to plant as they used to be. Damn internet.
Can somebody translate this article?
http://censor.net.ua/video_news/274823/ukraina_zaschischaet_donetsk_ot_napadeniya_rossii_zenitnoraketnye_kompleksy_buk_zanimayut_pozitsii_fotovideo
@Daruma Doll 23 July, 2014 15:25
This guy here is the head of the OSCE inquiery team…
Really?
Then how comes he referred to as Spokesperson? (Your own link)
I am no specialist in disinformation and have no idea of what you expect from this blatant lie but you are getting tiresome Mr Daruma Doll.
I have taken my info from here:
http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1827880.html
He is listed in this publication as the coordinator/leader of the OSCE investigation team, and I cite in Russian:
Майкла Боцюркива, назначенного руководить Специальной мониторинговой миссией ОБСЕ на Украине, которая и будет координировать расследование авиакатастрофы.
Translated in English:
Michael Bociurkiw appointed to lead the Special OSCE monitoring mission in Ukraine, which will coordinate the investigation of the crash.
The author of the regnum article seems knowledgeable about Bociurkiw’s role in the OSCE investigation, as much as he is knowledgeable about Bociurkiw’s family’s background, and his role as the representative of the Canadian Ukrainian diaspora to maidan.
So the question I ask is: how could Russia ever accept this person among the OSCE team investigating the MH17 tragedy?
And even more so in a leading position?
I think it is a question worth asking, which has nothing to do with propaganda or disinformation.
But you have the right to judge otherwise…
So Dutch official and social media are purportedly full of anger over the handling of the crash site and the bodies based on distortions and misrepresentations of the actual situation on the ground and what has occurred there. BBC, which is a prime offender in spreading such lies and rumors, is now ‘wondering’ (read hoping) if Dutch grief will now turn fully to anger against Russia and support for harsher sanctions. Makes one’s blood boil.
Probably hardcore is too young to have ever heard of this experience of an F-8 Crusader pilot about 50 years ago. He did suffer frost bite and he bled. He was not quick frozen and lived to tell about it. It is worth noting that deep frozen food is already dead when put in the freezer. A living mammal takes quite a long time to freeze solid.
http://www.sdheroes.com/?p=6987
two Ukrainian jets shot down today.No more civilian aircraft to hide behind.
▶ Одна из сбитых из ПЗРК СУ-25 силами ПВО ДНР с.Дмитровка 23.07.2014 – репортаж icorpus.ru – YouTube
If they were frozen they would shatter in pieces…
another good analysis:http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/07/ukraine-caught-in-third-major-lie-magic.html
URGENT: can someone pls translate
http://lb.ua/news/2014/07/22/273779_rossiya_potrebuet_ukraini.html
it seems like putin sets an ultimatum?!?
Loved that cartoon…errr I mean “evidence”!
I had a great laugh. Thank you Saker.
Reports that Southern Cauldron is ***eliminated***
(per Gleb Bazov)
Look at this, if it’s not a fake, the russians seem to be right…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtL-VxSCIAIpt6o.png
passive radar guided air to air missle would hit the nose where the radar array is.
Unless reuters is seriously distorting what he said, it looks like all the rumours about Khodakovsky being in the pay of the ZPC/NWO (through Ahkmentov or whoever) and setting up the earlier disaster at the Danbas airport and the ambulance massacre are true.
Exclusive: Ukraine rebel commander acknowledges fighters had BUK missile
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-ukraine-rebel-commander-acknowledges-fighters-had-buk-165910507–sector.html
Looks like the zio-fascists timed this to coincide with the release of the phony American “intelligence” announcement.
вот так
Yes I’ve read this.
If it is true, then Khodakovskyi is a double agent.
This meme about the bodies freezing is nonsense. In the 2.5 to 3 minutes it would take the body to fall, it would not not freeze solid, or probably at all. Flash freezing is done at temps close to -200 deg C.
But just for the sake of argument, even if the bodies froze, all that frozen blood would thaw after the bodies layed around for a bit – so there would STILL be lots of blood on the ground at the crash site. Ever thaw some frozen meat and notice all the liquids that come out?
Vostok commander Reuters interview: read carefully, admits nothing except accuses Ukropy SU25 false flag. Buys time for Putin to convince Merkel before he has to do whatever he has to do tomorrow.
Maskirovka
Украинский Су-25 попытался обстрелять экспертов из Малайзии на месте авиакатастрофы (Ukrainian su-25 attempted to engage experts from Malaysia on the site of the crash)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/23/696917.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/vz.ru/news/2014/7/23/696917.html
“The su-25 attack aircraft of the air force of Ukraine attempted firing on a group of international experts from Malaysia and the OSCE, working on the crash site Boeing under Donetsk, reported on Wednesday by telephone, Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk national Republic Alexander Borodai.
“In the area of the fall of Boeing has arrived group of Malaysian experts and OSCE experts. Now they attempted to engage the su-25 now, in this moment,” he said, reports RIA “Novosti”.
Earlier it was reported that on a place of accident there are three Malaysian expert. Field continue to protect militias DND.
On Tuesday it was reported that a group of Malaysian experts, who tried to travel to the place of the crash Boeing, came under fire of the Ukrainian aviation…”
These are not accidental attacks by the ZPC/NWO proxies, and a sure sign of direct American or Israeli control of operations.
вот так
So You did not like my idea of Putin publically handing the black boxes to Merkel.We would not be worrying about Cameron/Farnborough as we are now.
OK,heres another ,bit left field.The nations of BRICS immediately refuse to acknowledge the US Dollar.Dead stop.Thjey go planB ,gold backed Ruyuan tomorrow.fuck america and its financial blackmailers.
try that for size MR V V.
And please dont censor my posts AGAIN.Im on your side FFS.
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Sorry, the “cauldron” report is unconfirmed as of yet… I got excited and jumped the gun ;-)
Hodakovskiy:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/23/us-ukraine-crisis-commander-exclusive-idUSKBN0FS1V920140723
This story – perfectly timed – is no hitting German news.
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-ukraine-rebel-commander-acknowledges-fighters-had-buk-165910507–sector.html
It is the headline of http://www.faz.net
Sounds like this guy got bought….
Probably a double agent.
Yesterday the Ukrainian security service SBU ( basically a CIA franchise) has released a recording of Khodavskyi affirming on the phone that “Moscow has asked not to transfer the (MH17) black boxes to anyone”.
He was also responsible for the Donetsk airport disaster.), he has ordered the attack which was turned into a mayhem for the DPR’s militia.
And he confirmed that Kadyrov’s Chechens fought in Vostok battalion, but as he stated: “(T)hey’ve all gone back (to Russia) already”.
We have to remember that Khodakovskyi is a former SBU officer…
From time to time I try to stand back and get a bigger picture.
Question is: Why now? What was the compelling reason for the events in Kiev the resulted in the confrontation with Moscow (which could have easily predicted)? The collapse of the petro-dollar is enevitable as are BRICS type of reallignments.
Again in a different way: what is the immediate threat to the “Anglo/ZIonists” that is forcing a rapid confrontation with Russia and China?
Would enjoy some opions.
Anonymous said…23 July, 2014 17:50
“Look at this, if it’s not a fake, the russians seem to be right…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtL-VxSCIAIpt6o.png
passive radar guided air to air missle would hit the nose where the radar array is.”
Thanks for posting that photo showing the part of the airliner it came from.
This is a very important piece of evidence of air to air attack, rather than a missile if seen in conjunction with the Russian military data of the Ukraine military aircraft “popping up” in front of the airliner just before it disappeared from radar. It also helps explain some other info released.
If the Su-25 that popped up from low altitude in front of the airliner fired AA missiles, they would confront the airliner from the forward sector and damage would most likely be in the forward part of the aircraft. The cockpit looks like it was completely riddled, there is probably very little chance the pilots even had time to react, let alone send a distress message.
From that angle of approach, it’s likely the airline pilots didn’t see the Su-25 attacking them and probably didn’t see the missiles(s) until maybe the last second before the explosion which killed them. I’ll bet the cockpit voice recorders wont have anything more from the pilots, at that last moment, than exclamation of shock.
This could explain why the airliner slowed down the last couple of minutes. With the cockpit wrecked and the pilots dead, the throttle mechanism or something else may have been affected, which slowed down the airliner. It could of flew steady for a short while as it was breaking up.
Targeting the front of the airliner had to be planned and was why the Su-25 attacked from the front and below, out of view from the airliner’s cockpit. They wanted to reduce the chance as much as possible that the pilots would be able to ID their attacker and get a message out, or even say something that could be recorded on the voice recorder. They wanted instant decapitation of the airliner.
вот так
FWIW, I was in downtown MAnhattan yesterday and walked around ground zero for the first time sinse before 911.
I was overcome with disgust and revulsion at the travesty the occured there not too long ago, and disgusted by that gaping hole in the ground of a memorial that was put there.
My God! Americans are such fools!
signed,
A Recovering Fool
The Red Pill has some strong side-effects.
I am also feeling nauseous sometimes when I contemplate the whole mess forced upon us by the global kleptocratic oligarchy.
But it is a small price to pay for being awake when others are dreaming in a MSM induced hypnotic trance…
Amonymous @ 13:33 23 July 2014
This is written on the bases of long practical experience.
In propaganda purpose and audience are always key.
Succesful propaganda is a lateral process of emotional oscillation – delivery needing few words but design many considerations.
Succesful purpose is attained subliminally; the minimum desired impact – catalysing a lateral process of questioning prevailing perceptions – aka prejudice.
Prevailing perception and its potency tends to be audience specific.
However using doublethink, humour can also re-inforce prevailing perceptions.
It is true that humour can act also as a safety valve and hence dissipate focus into areas of self congratulation in being a member of the cognescenti, and undermining resolve.
Much humour is based on discordance, and the sparing use of culturally specific imagery can catalyse subliminal discordance if the audience is capable of perceiving discordance in the ways the catalyser targets.
Evaluating propaganda requires a large datastream and rigorous methodology – the opponents understand the first part hence electronic surveillance, but fortunately not the second, although recent scrabbling efforts via facebook etc show the oppononents are aware of their lacunae.
In the light of the above perhaps you could reconsider your contention that ” Ridicule is the best weapon in propaganda wars” and consider that ridicule is one propaganda weapon like others always context specific and to be used sparingly.
This present image in this context may on balance serve rather harm present purpose.
No absolutes exist – propaganda is complex presented as simple.
When asked your opinion on a survey – always give the opposite to your opinion – poison the datastream.
Anonymous wrote: “””””So You did not like my idea of Putin publically handing the black boxes to Merkel.We would not be worrying about Cameron/Farnborough as we are now.”””””
Let me tell you as East-German: 0==0
Merkel bitch or Cameron puppet == ZEROTRUST == USA’s marionettes
It would have backfired twice: Western mouthpieces MSM would claim, Putin? Oh well, he “adjusted” it.
Well, the lies and untruth stories are going to be our everyday puzle.
This maneuver of changing the story of the US inteligence is just a game nothing else. They are going to lie till last minute, but of course I had a very good laugh from the picture even it is fake, but it describes the situation where the loosers get themselves by changing the lies every day.
I’m looking for the movie recently released abou the Khodorkovskij / now living in Switzerland /and the name of the movie is “Khodorkovskij’s pipeline and corpses” Please if someone has this documentary movie with the English translation I would really appreciate to post a link. It supposed to be a very revealing movie how these guys operates and how they get rich sundenly
On frozen persons falling from the sky remember the opponents developed a whole branch of medicine on this topic initially informed by data and “experts” formerly employed at Dachau and other facilities then exported through Paperclip.
On the Reuters – Khodakovsky story see my take here
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/07/reuters-interviews-benedict-arnold-rebels-had-buk-downed-mh17.html
The following could be just a tortuous fantasy, or….
In events such as the shotdown of MH17, with their high number of victims and high emotional impact, finding the adversary to blame is a common game, as some similar cases in the past teach. Expecially when a confrontation is under way that is related to the tragedy.
Each “fighting” part accuses the other. On the other side, even those that have evidence, do not disclose in full it to show that they are right and the opposite is to blame. That is only partially due to the need to not expose their own detection-intelligence capabilities. There can be another reason: that, indeed, both parties (or their “puppets”) have something to blame or to hide. When this is the case, after a first stage of reciprocal and hot accuses, the tones moderate, and, as the past experience has shown, reciprocal signals of a possible common acceptable compromise are sent from both parties. Until a final reciprocally satisfying approch is found that, so to say, blames and at the same does not blame both and no one, leaving to each one some justification for their behavior in the events.
Are we assisting to this phase, now? USA (with their Ukies puppets) blamed the “rebels” and hence Russia as “barbaric” and “in-humane” at the beginning, and when Russia started, finally, to disclose some of their sound information, then the tone, from USA, changed. The rebels are to blame, as before, but with some excuse to have done a mistake during a military action, while there is not proof that Russia helped them in such action, providing the used military equipment.
We have to undestand that, if the “rebels” are culpable, their action can indeed only have been a mistake. But, if the Ukies are to blame, that was a crime on purpose (to accuse of it Russia thanks to US and MSM). Two very different levels of culpability (even if the MSM will enhancet only the first).
If that is true, in some sense, we could see the USA as “disperately” trying to offer to Russia a compromise. Even, it may be, in the next days, going further, admitting that who fired were yes Ukrainian units, but that, however, had just defected (to explain some elements surfacing in the web, as the uniforms and the actual location of the launchers).
So, if this is the situation, what Russia has to do: accept the compromise or going on, disclosing all the information to definitively discredit both the Ukies (and their sponsors)?
Probably, this would be the course, if all the blame were on the ukies, in the sense said above. But, what if that action was also a ukie mistake?
The “rebels” have only, as reported, one SU-25. The ukies have brought in, close to the Russia border, several BUK units, to be prepared to repell feared russian airstrikes from altitude to their heavy armored units attacking Novorossia and shelling the cities. Now, this lone SU-25 was making a flight for a mission when some Buk units detected it and decided to engage it. He was flying close to its normal max altitude (about 6000-7000m), when his sensors detect the aiming of the tracking radar. . What is his reaction? A formidable pull up to try to excape (for some reasons he could not do the opposite). In this manouvre it arrives close to 10.000 m high, and, by chance or purpotely, close to a big airliner. The rocket guidance system becomes locked to such much bigger echos and the missile/missiles deviate and hit that, while the Su-25 makes a dive and excape (or, pheraphs, it too is hit:…there were talks of one parachute). The other unknown radar echos appearing while the MH13 is falling could have been a ukies interceptor rushing to try to catch the pulling up SU-25, or (less probably) a big flat debris from MH17 “sailing” while, relatively slowingly, going down.
So, we have a scenario in which the Ukies are culpable but by mistake, while the SU-25 of the “rebels” (where is it now?), with its evading manouvres, could also be blamed.
A compromise in view?
@Larchmonter, GlebBazov and Gayle
Can you share the source of your optimism about the situation on the ground because this is Strelkov’s latest SITREP, and it doesn’t bode well. It translates to Donetsk slowly but surely being encircled and cut off from LNR. This developing catastrophe is being confirmed by colonel Cassad and voices of Sevastopol as well so kindly point me to the source of your optimism. Strelkov: “Karlovka we left last night, as Nikolova as Pervomaisky is under threat environment, and subsequent destruction of the available there our small forces. The first went platoon “East”, followed by our company of the battalion “Kalmius”. On command, without loss in engineering and with minor losses in men. To give ukrem “at the mercy” several platoons good infantry in our conditions it would be criminal. Yes, the enemy is the result was unblocked the airport and went directly to the North-Western outskirts of Donetsk, but it would have happened with a delay of no more than a day, and hundreds of militia would have paid with their lives for this gain, nothing in General, is not significant. Still the enemy deep into the city will not go: “bad dumb”. Donetsk is not a tiny Dzerzhinsk a garrison of 80 fighters… They will try us cut off and forced to leave – on the model of Slavyansk. If still foolishly climb – “welcome!”
On people not bleeding. To bleed you need positive blood pressure and a beating heart. If victims died during the fall, they would have neither.
T1, the bigger picture might actually be quite small.
Assuming that the shoot down was from Ukrainian government forces the chances are that it was to enable a reframing of the conflict in the south east such that the Ukrainian forces bottled up along the Russian border and getting a real pasting could be released. At the same time the inevitable distraction would enable a new offensive in the north and west.
Of course the political fallout and calls for help were/are bonuses.
And, of course, it does not really matter what actually happened because the narrative will be forced upon the majority of the people that this was a rebel and/or Russian event with all that entails.
“abou the Khodorkovskij / now living in Switzerland “
now why was that criminbal releqased by putin -is this not itnerference in judiciary to please his anglo freinds
putin was so desperate to be in good books of anglos that he released the traitors and criminals! not only that putin,knowing very well the machinations of anglos west and all other crimes in syria iraq was still hoping for better relations with west.
wheat it means is that russia has no moral standing it also wants to be part of the lkoot done by west -onlky trouble is anglos want to loot russia too.
what a sad come down for russia to coem to this low moral standard where it wants to bepart of evil anglos emoire rather than resist this.
quote “What could Russia expect from an OSCE investigation led by Bociurkiw?”
this and the fact that black box was sent to england the centre of maoney launderers and evil plotters.
is there a more stupid nation than russia? self destruction built into its nature.
Dugin once spoke to Brzezinski.
Dugin asked: “So when you promised convergence and peace to the late USSR apparatchiks, you did lie to them, didn’t you?”
Big Zbig answered: “Of course we lied, these people were so gullible, they were like children.”
Then Big Zbig offered Dugin one of his books with an authograph and a wish for Dugin to “change his outlook (on the Russian-Western interactions)”.
That is Russian-Western interaction in a nutshell.
And it has been that way for a very long time…
quote ” believe the Russian Federation saw this coming a long time ago, and everything we are witnessing from day to day reflects that reality.
I for one, as an American, will be fighting on the side of the Russian Federation.”
i am afraid russia always lives in illusion.
russia bever learns
may be russia shoudl start a foreing legion who will fight on her behalf in the foreing lands just because russiansd are too stupid to plot or think anything agasint their anglos enemies.
An interesting leak….
“(Australian) Prime Minister Tony Abbott has asked Defence chiefs and senior government officials to prepare plans for Australia to join a possible multinational force to enter Ukraine to secure the crash site of MH17.
Hardening his language around the need for international intervention to ensure a genuine air crash investigation and recovery effort is conducted, Mr Abbott on Wednesday signalled he was willing to send more Australians to Ukraine to enforce the United Nations resolution that the almost 300 victims are recovered ”with immediate effect”. ”
Now nothing Australia does is on its own now, so we can reasonably speculate the he has been contacted by the US to sound him out to see if we would send forces to the Ukraine, right into rebel territory.
Probably the planned ‘end game’ from this (increasingly likely) ‘false flag’ operation*, though there is a lot of back peddling going on now.
NATO in, clear the rebels, invade Crimea…and so on.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/we-must-bring-them-all-home-20140723-3cfyy.html
And what is the current status of “Rapid Trident 2014 — a large, USAREUR-led multinational exercise scheduled for July — is ongoing, he said.
hat exercise, in Lviv, near the Polish border, is to “promote regional stability and security, strengthen partnership capacity, and foster trust while improving interoperability between USAREUR, the land forces of Ukraine, and other (NATO and partner) nations,” according to the USAEUR website.
In addition to USAREUR troops, Rapid Trident 2014 will include units from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Canada, Georgia, Germany, Moldova, Poland, Romania, the United Kingdom and Ukraine, Westover said. It will feature a combined U.S. and Ukrainian battalion headquarters practicing a peacekeeping operation, he said. “Exercise planning will continue until we are told otherwise. ”
* I predicted ‘something’ would happen in July on this site a few months ago..
@ b: “On the Reuters – Khodakovsky story see my take here”
Thank you for the info, very helpful to know.
I live in one of the reddest parts of one of the reddest states, and there’s an article in the local newspaper about how Ron Paul sees a big conspiracy around the downing of MH17, and how the US line is all wrong. Paul is right in the money with this. Please add your comments to the article to back him up!
http://www.chron.com/news/gallery/Ron-Paul-s-propaganda-fight-90239.php
Ron Paul is a decent man.
I wish he could have become POTUS.
Of course the global oligarchy would’ve never let it happen.
Anonymous said…
“abou the Khodorkovskij / now living in Switzerland “
Similar name different man
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Imagine and “X” where one stroke is the airliner path and the other the fighter. The attack came from below and left (at least in the case of the missile’s trajectory). The fighter climbed to it’s max altitude (app 10km) , fired the AtoA, and then descended. The missile flew the remaining distance in altitude and detonated near the trailing edge of the LEFT wing tip (photo of crash wreckage shows slashes caused by rods discharged from AtoA which rake toward the cockpit) and the left side of the cockpit looking like swiss cheese. SHeared the wing off and the airliner descended essentailly in one piece till impact. The 3-D simulation on Russian TV made truly sensational case…pity it is not on youtube (that I know of). We saw it on RssianTVClub.com news programming last night…very disturbing… along with expert testimony that a BUK would have turned the airliner into confetti… no large peices in close proximity (small debris field) which is what the crash site looks like from published photos. They’d still be collecting bits of bodies from Donesk to Rostow if a BUK hit it… Nard
oldskeptic – if so that may be motivating Russia to move first. They are better positioned to very quickly intercede and have been practicing all summer. Once NATO got there they would never leave.
Poop very near fan if this is true.
SitRep,
For me, I look at videos of the units in action, before action and after action. They are small, fast units that have very high morale.
They are the units taking the fight to the Ukies.
Strelkov is dug in. All he gets is reports and he wants to stop the artillery and aerial bombardment but has no way as yet.
That’s why he is always complaining. Over in Lugansk, Bolotov set his units back on the counter-attack and they kicked some ass.
I think the militia needs 2500 more men. Volunteers from Russia. Vets. That’s who is fighting. The locals are guards at blockade points. They have little experience and when attacked generally withdraw.
The city defense is a political decision. You need the cities of the Oblasts to be recognized as Novorossia. So Strelkov has the unlucky duty to hold cities. He gets the bejesus kicked out of him.
The next round of escalation will see better counter-artillery “found” for the militia to silence the GRADS and other missiles.
Russia must win this war. Understand that. There is no maybe about it. Russia MUST WIN!. Now when you begin from that imperative, you can understand why I think the militia will win.
If I am wrong in my premise of the imperative, Russia is gone. Do you think that is going to happen? No Russia?
Or do you think somehow Putin is taken out? That is a possibility. But I believe that won’t happen. And therefore, Russian must win, the militia is the instrument of victory and I am positive in my outlook, even thought there are days and weeks when the flow is negative and I get worried.
Strelkov is a symbol for some. I don’t rate him that important in the long run. Putin is important. Strelkov is a Colonel. Colonels are a dime a dozen for nations like Russia. What he brings is inspiration to some of the most aggressive scout and sabotage sniper/mortar units. He brought some of them with him. They fight for him.
But ultimately, Lugansk is more important for resupply. Donetsk seems to be important for maneuver and ultimately for the drive that crushes the Ukies. The people there go to the beach.
However, I think there will be a push out from Crimea soon. This will be drive that fractures the Ukie command. It will be like two armies in two theaters of war. Fewer planes over either area. Supply lines longer. The Ukies will be totally confused.
Putin and the military of the RF have a strategic battle plan that we will soon see in an enlarged militia.
I imagine all this stuff. Because Russia cannot lose in Ukraine. That’s where my thinking begins and ends.
I think you (and many others on this blog) overestimate Putin.
He worked for Sobchak, was a Berezovsky’s protege, was named by Yeltsin and never denounced Gaidar or Chubais.
I don’t think that Putin is a real Russian nationalist, I think he’s in for power and money.
That is why Russia could well lose this war.
U.S. Admits Its MH17 ‘Evidence’ is Based on YouTube Clips & Social Media Posts
AP journalist challenges State Department spokesperson on official narrative
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
July 22, 2014
In a testy exchange between AP reporter Matt Lee and U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf, Lee virtually corners Harf into admitting that the “evidence” presented by the U.S. to blame Russian-backed rebels for the shoot down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 amounts to nothing more than YouTube videos and social media posts.
Read more: http://www.prisonplanet.com/u-s-admits-its-mh17-evidence-is-based-on-youtube-clips-social-media-posts.html
Moscow-Based Aviation Authority to Take Part in Deciphering MH17 Data in UK
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140723/191158699/Moscow-Based-Aviation-Authority-to-Take-Part-in-Deciphering-MH17.html
“MOSCOW, July 23 (RIA Novosti) – The Moscow-based Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) said Wednesday its expert will take part in retrieving and deciphering data from black boxes of the crashed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 plane.
“On 22 July 2014 an official representative of IAC joined the work of international commission on the investigation of the incident with Boeing 777 aircraft which was established after the adoption of the UN Security Council Resolution and will participate in the reading of flight recorders “black boxes” data in the UK,” the IAC statement says.
IAC is an organization overseeing civil aviation in Russia and a number of former Soviet republics, including Ukraine, where the Malaysian plane crashed last week, killing all 298 people on board…”
That should make it more difficult for Israel’s pet public schoolbois to alter the data, at least. Maybe prevent them from doing it, hopefully.
Wont stop the ZPC/NWO quislings from falsely reporting what the data says, though. That they’ll try that can be pretty much guaranteed.
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dd this photo of the left wing to the cockpit image and the dots connect!
http://opensxce.blogspot.de/2014/07/abschuss-mh17-zeigt-tragflache.html
http://southfront.info/boing-777-sbival-ne-buk-m1/
Nard
Khodakovsky is claiming reuters misstated what he said about the milias having a Buk system. It wont be the first time the zio presstitutes have done this, and reuters has been in the vanguard of the ZPC slander campaign against Russia and Novorossia. Literally just about everything they have written about either has been goebelsian lies.
Источник: Ходаковский не говорил о применении ополченцами «Бука» (Source: Khodakovsky not talked about the use of militias “Buka”)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/23/696955.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/vz.ru/news/2014/7/23/696955.html
“The commander of the battalion “East” Alexander khodakovskiy denied that Reuters in an interview he talked about the application of the militia system “Buk”, said a source in the entourage of the commander.
“I didn’t say anything like Reuters, and I have a record of the conversation”, – quoted a source words of Khodakovsky, transfers RIA of “news”.
Reuters had earlier published an interview in which Khodakovsky, allegedly said that the militia was rocket launcher “Buk” at the time of the disaster Malaysian Boeing-777.
As reported, the comments stated that even if the plane was shot down from this installation, the Ukrainian side did everything to provoke this blow…”
Whether reuters accurately stated what Khodakovsky said, or resorted to their usual falsehoods, it was a rather clever move of the ZPC fascists to use Khodakovsky this way since he is already “tainted goods” in the eyes of the Novorussian supporters and such a sell out by Khodakovsky would not be unexpected.
вот так
@ Martin Bochnig,
Thanks for the link.
There isn’t direct visual evidence of the distance between the fallen bodies and the actual crash site, but, obviously, there’s a certain distance between them.
It looks like [not a wild guess] a part of MH17 was damaged enough for bodies to be sucked out of the plane [pressurized vs depressurized] and thus ‘rain down.’
This does not tell ‘us’ whether the missile was STA or ATA, but my gut tells me it has to be ATA and that means another plane/jet in the vicinity of the crash site.
All in all [with the additional Russian sitrep] it’s almost certain the Kiev fascists are the culprits of this heinous crime and the answer to the ‘cui bono’ question is thus obvious.