Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov
Note: Videos & a PDF of the Google Web-cache Have Been Preserved and Are Available Upon Request
Preamble: Why did the BBC delete this report by Olga Ivshina? Is it because the BBC team was unable to find any evidence that a rocket was launched in the area that the Ukrainian Security Service (“SBU”) alleges to be the place from which the Novorossiya Militia launched a “BUK” missile?
Or is it because every eyewitness interviewed by the BBC team specifically indicated the presence of Ukrainian military aircraft right beside the Malaysian Airlines Boeing MH17 at the time that it was shot down?
Or is it because of eyewitness accounts (like the one posted following the transcript of the BBC report) confirming that the Ukrainian air force regularly used civilian aircraft flying over Novorossiya as human shields to protect its military aircraft conducting strikes against civilian population from the Militia’s anti-aircraft units?
I reserve the final judgment to the readers of this blog. This entry is broken down into:
- introductory paragraphs to the BBC video report;
- English-language transcript of the BBC video report; and,
- a video interview with Elena, a Militia fighter, recorded in Slavyansk on or about June 18, 2014, or one month prior to the MH17 catastrophe, wherein she states that, even then, the Ukrainian military aircraft would customarily hide behind civilian aircraft to bomb civilian targets on the ground.
In the last part of this entry Elena predicts that the Ukrainian military will stage the horrible catastrophe like the MH17 crash – she makes this prediction one whole month prior to the disaster.
Video: The Catastrophe of #MH17: #BBC in the Search of the “#BUK”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8sjMWhl-4
Original BBC Video Report: Preserved by Google Web-cache
Introductory Paragraphs to the BBC Video Report
The “black boxes” of the crashed Malaysian Boeing have finally been transferred into the hands of the experts. However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from Russia.
The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile.
BBC reporter Olga Ivshina and producer Oksana Vozhdayeva decided to find the place from which the missile was allegedly launched.
Transcript of the BBC Video Report
DPR Representative: Here it is.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The black boxes from the crashed Boeing are finally being transferred into the hands of the experts. However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …
Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.
Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.
Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from the direction of Russia.
Vitaliy Naida, Department of Counterintelligence of SBU [Ukrainian Security Service]: This was a BUK M1 system from which the aircraft was shot down. It came to Ukraine early in the morning on the 17th of July. It was delivered by a tow truck to the city of Donetsk. After that, it was redeployed from Donetsk, as part of a column of military equipment, to the area of the city of Torez, to the area of Snezhnoye, to the area of Pervomaisk.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile. We attempted to verify these photographs and information at the location.
One of the photographs showed a landscape not far from the city of Torez, on which smoke could be seen coming from the presumed location of the missile’s launch. We attempted to find this location, and it appears that we were successful.
We are now on the outskirts of the city of Torez. Behind me, approximately five kilometres away, is the city of Snezhnoye. And the landscape here matches the landscape that we can see on the photograph published by the Ukrainian Security Service.
To find the place from which the smoke was allegedly coming from, we adopted as markers these three poplars and the group of trees. Presumably, this is the place that can be seen on the photograph published by the SBU. And here are our markers: the three solitary poplars and the small group of trees in the distance.
The smoke that can be seen on the photograph came from somewhere over there [pointing behind her], behind my back. The SBU believes that this is a trace coming from the launch of a “BUK” missile.
However, it must be noted that there are here, approximately in the same place, the Saur-Mogila memorial, near which the fighting continues almost unabated, and a coalmine. It turns out that the smoke with the same degree of probability could have been coming from any of these locations.
Having circled around the nearby fields, we were unable to find any traces of a missile launch. Nor did the local inhabitants that we encountered see any “BUK” either.
At the ruins of an apartment building in the city of Snezhnoye, the topic of the jet fighters that may have been escorting civilian aircraft comes up again. A bomb dropped from above took away the lives of eleven civilians here.
Sergey Godovanets, Commander of the Militia of the city of Snezhnoye: They use these civilian aircraft to hide behind them. It is only now that they stopped flying over us – but, usually, civilian aircraft would always fly above us. And they hide [behind them]. [The experience in] Slavyansk had demonstrated that they would fly out from behind a civilian aircraft, bomb away, and then hide, once again, behind the civilian aircraft and fly away.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The commander of the local militia emphasizes that they have no weaponry capable of shooting down a jet fighter [flying] at a significant height. However, he says that if such weaponry were to appear, they would have tried to.
Sergey Godovanets: If we know that it is not a civilian aircraft, but a military one, then – yes.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: So, could the Boeing have been shot down by the militias that had mistaken it for a military aircraft? There is as yet no unequivocal confirmation of either this or any other version [of what took place]. The international experts are just beginning their work with the information obtained from the crashed airliner. It now appears that it is difficult to overstate the importance of this investigation. Olga Ivshina, BBC.
Militia Elena: Ukrainian Military Planes Hide Behind Civilian Airliners
Video: Recorded at least one month prior to MH17 Crash, published with ENG subs on June 18, 2014
Note: Pay close attention starting at 01:10
The BBC consigns material to a 1984-style ‘memory-hole’ all the time. The famous ‘destruction’ of most of the 1960s ‘Doctor Who’ did not occur because of the ‘re-use’ of video tapes, as moron apologists claim. It happened because in the 1970s, and again in the 1980s, the BBC destroyed large amounts of its archives so the degree of social engineering present in BBC output could not be studied.
When the BBC destroyed video tapes (and much of their archive was actually preserved on one-time film), the tapes were of a long obsolete format (BBC destroyed only B/W Doctor Who episodes, long after BBC’s entire current output had been converted to Colour- using very different video equipment), so couldn’t have been ‘re-used’, even if the richest broadcaster on the planet wanted to be this pointlessly frugal.
More recently, the BBC pulled all of its news reports from 9/11 and afterwards from publicly accessible archives, when it became apparent that the BBC reporting of “rivers of molten steel” below ‘ground zero’ and the BBC reporting of the free-fall collapse of WTC7 significantly before it happened were proof that the official conspiracy theory was a complete lie, and 9/11 was obviously a false flag.
Famously, the BBC World Service (an MI6 operation) created Al-Jazeera from its ‘Arab’ desk, and curiously also helped to set up PressTV and RT (at the time Britain was busy telling Iran And Russian that, unlike the USA, the UK was a fair and decent player- of course Blair also fed this laughable lie to Gaddafi).
If the BBC tells you “the sky is blue” or “the grass is green”, you better go outside and check for yourself.
Flight MH17 Crash Resulted From Ukraine’s Disregard of ICAO Regulations
MOSCOW, July 24 (RIA Novosti) – The Ukrainian government is responsible for the tragic Malaysia Airlines plane crash as Kiev is under binding international legal obligations articulated in the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation and ICAO regulation DOC 9554/932.
Ukraine ratified the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation in 2003, which automatically classifies Ukraine as a member of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) with all the associated legal obligations applicable upon signing.
(…) Additionally, the ICAO clearly defines (…) that “the responsibility for initiating the co-ordination process rests with the States whose military forces are engaged in the conflict,” (…)
Better yet, incomplete coordination or lack thereof does not relieve the state of its safety obligations, as “the responsibility for instituting special measures to ensure the safety of international civil aircraft operations remains with the states responsible for providing air traffic services in the airspace affected by the conflict, even in cases where coordination is not initiated or completed.” This excludes any loophole that might be used by Ukraine to evade being held accountable for the tragedy.
(…) While the investigation into the crash is still underway, Kiev’s breach of international agreements provoking the tragedy can hardly be denied.
Full article:
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140724/191200199/Flight-MH17-Crash-Resulted-From-Ukraines-Disregard-of-ICAO.html
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I heard Olga Ivshina on NPR yesterday morning and I could not believe they were letting her talk. Her mild manner and her just-the-facts-on-the-ground approach, coupled with the disarming fact that she was from the BBC, with which NPR no doubt feels ideological kinship, made her retelling of the eyewitness testimonies of Novorossiyans very compelling. The host interviewing her could not shut her down even if he wanted to.
Posting this to be seen ASAP.
Oh, boy, look at this. It’s purported to be the missile that shot the plane down and it was from Ukie controlled territory. Info not confirmed, yet, but it looks interesting. This may be it:
Vladimir Suchan shared a link.
10 hours ago
Here it is raw as received–a video published on July 24 is reportedly showing a surveillance recording made by a “meteorological satellite” of a Buk missille launch (supposedly against the MH17 Boeing) from the territory controlled by the Kiev regime on July 17. The landscape appears to fit the satellite imagery of the Ukrainian Buk missile battery 8 km south of Shatyorskoye as presented by the Russian Ministry of Defense on July 21.
http://nemolchu.ru/video/ukrainskaja-voina/streljali-po-boingu-vsu-s-territorii-podkontrolnyh-kolomoiskomu.html
Further info at the Facebook link: https://www.facebook.com/vladimir.suchan
R_of_R
the fifth column at work:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ukraine-rebel-commander-acknowledges-fighters-had-buk-missile/503995.html
@R_of_R
25 July, 2014 04:45
that video looks to me to be a fake. First of all it is not imaging from a satellite, that I am sure of. Look at the aspect angle from the viewport to the missile, that is not from orbit.
Second, look how fast the smoke trail clears. This is not consistent with other videos I have seen from BUK missile smoke trails. Also, the trail just looks to be computer generated to me.
I do have experience in satellite imagery and also 3D computer graphics.
You also have to ask yourself why a video of this importance would be released on an obscure blog and not through official channels.
Some commenter posted coords on that page and entering them into google maps does not show the same location. nothing around it matches up for many miles.
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on another note, did anyone catch that Elena Kolenkina is Motorolla’s new wife?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBQKh6KJ4r8
best wishes to you two.
I stumbled on this last night – has anyone seen the video going through the audio channels of the ‘intercept’ released by Kiev? It’s in Russian only, but it seems very convincing:
http://nikolay-istomin.livejournal.com/3057934.html
(video embedded at bottom of page.
Basically, the author introduces himself as an A/V professional, then points out several ‘fingerprints’ pointing to the intercept being artificially put together)
Saker, regarding that link I posted above with the sat image of the missile being fired: How can it be determined if the video is legit? Maybe you or one of the Russian speakers can sign up at that site that posted it (not the FB link) and contact the source. It’s obviously a missile being fired but is it THE missile? If it is, this is huge.
R_of_R
@ Anonymous
25 July, 2014 03:31
yes, yes, yes. I posted this a few days ago. I am glad Russia put out the info. so people will see this.
Not only did Ukraine ratify the 2003 convention, but updates to the ECAC regulations have been added since but still fall to Annex 13 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation. This ECAC updated code was signed onto by Ukraine in Aug. 2013.
Ukraine is a member state of the European Civil Aviation Conference (ECAC). The ECAC sets all the rules for aircraft and operating procedures in its member states. This authority was granted by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) in 1956, ref. ICAO Document 7676, ECAC/1
All responsibility for administration and adhearance to the rules set by the ECAC in Ukraine is placed on the State Aviation Administration of Ukraine (SAAU). Responsibility for assignment and adhearance to restriced airspace falls directly on the SAAU.
The organisation, assigned by ECAC, which coordinates all flight plans and air traffic and reponsible for safety is the European Organisation for the Safety of Air Navigation. Also known as Eurocontrol.
The SAAU will notify Eurocontrol of any changes to airspace, such as restrictions due to military activity. These notifications happen daily and immediately if changes happen that pose a danger to aircraft. These procedures are outlined in Eurocontrol Handbook for Airspace Management, vol 1 and 2.
Whoever shot that plane down or the method used is a mute point. The responsibility for the safety of that aircraft falls 100% on the SAAU of the Ukrainian Gov.
Dear saker,
I am a dutch citizen en I follow your blog for a several months now.
To me Elena looks the same woman as in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBQKh6KJ4r8.
Sad to marry with a gun on your shoulder.
Coby
The video posted by Anonymous looks extremely interesting….the only thing is that no one seems to have seen the vapour trail left by the missile – that seems to be a continuing problem.
So still we are left with was it an air-to-air missile or a Buk? Or both?
Further to R_of_R’s posting:
Youtube link is available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdqIDYnSNq8
Ignition at 00:13 slightly left & down of centre screen.
The comment includes the claim that Kolomoskomomi is the criminal.
Erebus
Accounts of witnessing below are not very convincing. It was cloudy that day and boeing was flying at 10km. Even when the sky is clear it is difficult to spot a jet at this altitude.
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Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.
Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.
Putin’s “soft approach” to Europe is useless. They’re serfs of the US War Party. All info regarding the barbarian acts of Nazi Junta will always be blocked. All the US sanctions will be implemented on time and form. Time to accept the truth. Stop playing Mr. Nice
Just a few more dots being connected each day.
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British-American_Project.”
this headline rolling quote from W.Churchill is severed “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”. http://www.britishamericanproject.org/
This group contains a core of US/UK influence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British-American_Project .
One Example, the Newsnight BBC2 influential news/prog, new boy Evan Davis,member BAP,taking over from J.Paxman,member BAP.
see http://www.newstatesman.com/journalists-who-enjoy-freebies-and-flattery-turn-truth-upside-down
(thanks to Jackthehat/poster ID)
XbNB
They can’t pay their bills or troops but have money for this???
Ukrainian Junta Restores Several Military Airfields In The South
and they hope for NATO to fight their battle
Ukrainian Minister Wants NATO Involvement In 100-Day “Terrorist” War
some progress on South Stream.
Bulgarian Government Approves South Stream Loan from Gazprom in Its Last Days
and this is something to pay attention to. who will be liable?
The Insurance Companies Involved With Flt. MH17
another good read from Andrew
It should be clear by now that as global inequality continues to rise, trust in institutions will continue to fall, and social unrest will explode in new and more dramatic ways than we have witnessed thus far. We truly are entering a World of Resistance.
World of Resistance Report: IMF, World Bank, Giant Consultants Admit The Storm Is Coming
Could that be?? Check the images of the 2 Boings
http://quer-denken.tv/index.php/692-war-es-doch-die-mh370
Anonymous 05.18
…fifth column bla bla…
Don’t you know better than to treat reports with a healthy dose of scepticism? This report has been debunked at least since the moment it came out two days ago. Even here on the Vineyard.
Do try and keep up. You own it to your own equanimity, if not to the counter-propaganda effort.
About the vid producing an image of the missile being fired? Another poster on another site questioned the snow on the ground…in July?… ;-)
Can someone please finally post the original and full Reuters video?
Khodakovsky said he would post the original video already three days ago! Still no video. This sucks. Note: The “Sut Vremeni” interview is NOT the Reuters video.
There is no evidence so far that Reuters lied. I want to believe that Khodakovsky was saying the truth, but where is the original video?!
Here is the link to the Google Web-cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia/2014/07/140722_v_mh17_buk_hunt.shtml
The download still works:
http://wsodprogrf.bbc.co.uk/russian/dps/2014/07/buk_140722_v_mh17_buk_hunt_16x9_hi.mp4
Saker,
The Russians made a mistake in the press conference when they said that the BUK in the video moved through Krasnoarmeysk. The Buk moved through Lugansk:
https://twitter.com/djp3tros/status/491651820188860416/photo/1
More evidence that the Russians made a mistake during the press conference about the BUK video is here:
http://www.interpretermag.com/category/blog/
Look at July 23rd and 21st entries.
I know, it’s a website from the enemy, but unfortunately their evidence is strong.
Another poster on another site questioned the snow on the ground…in July?…
This is an INFRARED image, more white means more HEAT.
Given the huge number of retards on every side it’s no wonder that propaganda (which is tailored for them) works so well.
@123abc:
Looks possible, but going through Lugansk would put that Buk going NW from the alleged launch site, NOT East towards Russia?
Doesn’t address the whole issue of it being Buk 312 either.
The article says, “The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion …”
I believe the black box cockpit voice recording might reveal a lot more than this. I imagine the crew would be discussing why in the world these Ukraine military jets were escorting them off course. If the pilots were told they were being taken to a safer route, wouldn’t they find this incredible? They would know the planes were directing them onto a path right over the conflict.
Unfortunately, I doubt such a conversation would be openly reported by a black box forensic lab located in, of all places, Britain.
Fwd from Canuckistan:
This little nugget was discovered while scrolling throight the CBC websitr where smoe pretty hot debates have transpired regarding select censorship and republished AP propaganda articles for the most part. Below it is a link to the article in question…
http://robinwestenra.blogspot.ae/2014/07/explosive-report-abot-bbc-censorship.html
UPDATED
Ukraine crisis: Government forces attempt to retake key town
Horlikva has been held by pro-Russia rebels for months
The Associated Press Posted: Jul 26, 2014 12:13 PM ET Last Updated: Jul 26, 2014 8:21 PM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-crisis-government-forces-attempt-to-retake-key-town-1.2719051
Plz note that at this point it is not so clear as to the actual update that has recently occurred.
The eye witness who saw the plane turn sharply may turn out to be VERY important. First the plane was hit by an Air to Air missile (presumably took out a motor), but it was able to be turned back (presumably heading for an airport, and with the pilots alive – so black box recordings unlikely to be released, certainly not the real ones)
“Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].”
That is absolutely explosive testimony. Having headed back to the airport, the plane was shot again. Once again, no one saw a vapour trail that one might expect to see from a BUK. Some say on a hot day there would not be one of course. But its possible that the whole episode was air to air.
The scrape marks on the left wing which point in a line to holes in the cockpit support the air to air scenario, but must have happened as part of the second attack, since the pilots could not have turned the plane and straightened up again if they were dead.
No wonder the BBC deleted this. Also, FlightRadar24, FlightAware etc, are said to have been changed 3 days after MH17 went down. Before that, FlightRadar24 (by far most accurate for Ukraine territory) showed the plane had turned as well. Think about the significance of that. The plane was shot (presumably say one motor), it tried to make it to an airport, and it was shot again, all by a fighter in close proximity.
Gleb – the significance of that testimony is worth highlighting. Obviously people were interviewed at TWO different locations. The location where the Ukies said the BUK was fired from must have been where the Fighter took out the motor, because witnesses there saw the U-turn. Crash site witnesses just saw it blow up mid air. Deliberate action proven. Murder, not mistake