Dear friends,
I just received an email from Larchmonter 445 who is raising a very important question. With his permission, I have decided to share my reply with all of you.
Kind regards,
The Saker
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QUESTION:
Ukraine is becoming an American/NATO platform with no viable economy, a thoroughly corrupt junta-criminal government. It has lost most characteristics of a state. We know its economy is no longer functioning. It is on economic life-support.
Q: What in history does this colonization most remind you and what does it present as a permanent platform for the projection of US hegemony right next to Russia?
In the context of US cruise missiles into Poland and 100 US tanks into Latvia, also right on the Russian border, how do you interpret these developments?
Add, Canadian military police running the police in Kiev (security apparatus hardening, in my view) and 1000 US military advisers on the ground with Ukie troops, and inside the command and control of their military, I see this as the two proxy armies facing off behind a mere mask. Do you see the ‘boots on the ground’ as sacrifices the Hegemon is prepared to make (for surely the Russians don’t care who’s inside the battle zone they must dominant or they will be defeated)?
I interpret all the latest hardening of NATO surrounding the Russian border with Eastern Europe and the buildup internally (take over of the Ukie government in fact) as ominous and imminent to a shooting war to forever scar the Russian Federation as a menace to world stability.
The militia is paper thin mask over Russian military. Everyone understands that Russia cannot allow defeat or loss of ground. The Ukies, a proxy army of cannon fodder value, a mask over NATO and US mercenary contractors and some regular “advisers”.
The opposite side does not bear any such burden of ‘loss’. If the Ukies lose and refuse to fight anymore, Russia will be demonized and the battle for more military conflict will shift to some other hot zone. Therefore, the Hegemon cannot be defeated by defeat in Ukraine.
For your answer I hope you stick just to the military threat, the military challenge, the strategic values of moves and counter-moves. I think this situation is a changed scenario, and has upped the existential threat to Russia. But without military analysis, I don’t know if what I see is what I think I see.
Larchmonter 445
REPLY:
Military planners like to have options and contingency plans available for as many situations as possible. It just does not look good for a Chairman of the JCS to tell the President “no Sir, we never envisioned that situation”. In order to avoid that, the military will practice and plan for a lot of situation the vast majority of which will never happen.
Just recently, right at the end of the WWII, Anglo powers had at least THREE plans to wage war on the USSR: Operation Dropshot, Plan Totality and Operation Unthinkable. Here is some basic reminder of Wikipedia about what these operations were about:
Operation Dropshot: included mission profiles that would have used 300 nuclear bombs and 29,000 high-explosive bombs on 200 targets in 100 cities and towns to wipe out 85% of the Soviet Union’s industrial potential at a single stroke. Between 75 and 100 of the 300 nuclear weapons were targeted to destroy Soviet combat aircraft on the ground.
Plan Totality: earmarked 20 Soviet cities for obliteration in a first strike: Moscow, Gorki, Kuybyshev, Sverdlovsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Saratov, Kazan, Leningrad, Baku, Tashkent, Chelyabinsk, Nizhny Tagil, Magnitogorsk, Molotov, Tbilisi, Stalinsk, Grozny, Irkutsk, and Yaroslavl.
Operation Unthinkable: assumed a surprise attack by up to 47 British and American divisions in the area of Dresden, in the middle of Soviet lines.This represented almost a half of roughly 100 divisions (ca. 2.5 million men) available to the British, American and Canadian headquarters at that time. (…) The majority of any offensive operation would have been undertaken by American and British forces, as well as Polish forces and up to 100,000 German Wehrmacht soldiers.
I am not making these things up, you can look it up for yourself on Wikipedia and elsewhere. This is the Anglo idea of how you deal with “Russian allies”: you stab them in the back with a surprise nuclear attack, you obliterate most of their cities and you launch the Nazi Wehrmacht against them.
With “allies” like these, who needs enemies?!
Still, it did not happen. Oh, not because these “beacons of democracy” had any scruples, but for far more mundane reasons: in all three cases the risks were considered far too great and the chances of success too little. Now here is the good news: some 70 years later the chances of victory against Russia are even far smaller and the risks quite literally infinitely bigger.
First, in 1945 a surprise attack was theoretically possible. Today it is categorically impossible. Second, in 1945 the Anglos had a monopoly on nuclear weapons. Today Russia actually enjoys a superiority in the quality and quantity of nuclear weapons. Third, while in 1945 the Soviets could not strike at the US “homeland” itself, now Russia can destroy every single major city in the USA. The only thing which has not changed is this: just as in 1945 the Soviet military could have made minced meat out of Anglo forces so the modern Russian military is far more powerful and NATO forces in Europe.
On three occasions this year I have tried to explain why the US/NATO does not have a military option in the Ukraine (see Ukraine SITREP March 11, 13:50 EST (and some debunking); Remembering the important lessons of the Cold War and Thinking the unthinkable) and I will not repeat it all here again. I will just point you to the US preparations for Desert Shield and Desert Storm which saw a massive US and allied move of equipment and forces into the KSA which lasted many months before the attack on Iraq could take place. Moving a few air wings around or sending tanks to Latvia is nowhere near the kind of massive effort which would be needed to prepare for an attack on Russia.
Furthermore, in modern warfare the US does not need the Ukraine (or even Europe) to project its power. In fact, getting closer to Russia is actually dangerous for US forces and systems which are quite capable of striking Russia from afar, unless of course you are seriously considering a US Army ground offensive in the Ukraine which the US/NATO are currently unable to execute due to a huge shortage of forces for such a major operation.
Also, keep in mind that all these “NATO” armies are more or less a joke. If you really want to be serious to threaten Russia only the US really has the means to do so, the rest of the NATO ‘alliance’ is primarily a political one. The Poles and Estonians can “play NATO” all they want, but they are no more relevant than the Netherlands or Italy (less in fact).
We all saw what the US/NATO airpower can do in the best possible conditions in Kosovo: nothing. And that is going against 1970 Russian air defenses. You can imagine what the same airpower would do against modern 2014 Russian Air Defenses. Same thing for air-to-air: it is one thing to fly against early export version of the MiG-29 and quite another to take on SU-35s and MiG-31BMs (or even SU-27s modernized to SM1/SM2 standards). And keep in mind that NATO has extremely weak and old air defenses. Once the Russian Air Force begins striking NATO ground forces with SU-34s escorted by SU-35 it will get very ugly very fast, at least for NATO. Russia also has the advantage in artillery, in tactical ballistic and cruise missiles, in anti-tank weapons, in airborne tactical cruise missiles and many other aspects of warfare. But most importantly, I also firmly believe that the single most important part of any military – the foot-solider – is far more capable and way tougher in the Russian military then in any NATO country. True, the US/NATO still have superior communications, including battlefield communications and generally better reconnaissance capabilities, but that would not be enough to tip the balance.
But even if we give the US/NATO the advantage in every single assumption, we know that official Russian military doctrine clearly states in if the Russian conventional forces are not sufficient to protect Russia, tactical nuclear forces would be used. So it is hard to imagine what kind of “victory” US/NATO forces would try to achieve.
For all these reasons I do not believe that a US/NATO attack on Russia will happen.
The move of military forces which is being observed in various locations in Europe and the USA serve a very different purpose: to show in “political terms” that the US and NATO are “serious” and “determined” to “protect” their “European allies” even against a completely imaginary “Russian threat”. Even the NATO “spearhead forces” is really a joke. A costly PR trick, nothing more.
The real risk is that the US/NATO will wage war on Russia, but via the Ukraine. A lot of observers in Russia and the Ukraine are now saying that “the US is ready to fight the Russians down to the last Ukrainian solider” and that is sadly quite true.
The widely expected post-elections Ukrainian attack did not happen. Probably due to a combination of factors including elections in the Ukraine, the Russian re-opening of the Voentorg and the fact that Ukrainian commanders have made the judgment that they need more time for preparation. Still, if by some miracle the Nazi regime in Kiev survives until the Spring, a resumption of combat operations is most likely. At which point the US would use its total control of the Nazi junta to start a real war between Russia and the Ukraine which, of course, the Ukraine could not win, but which would be a disaster for both Russia and the Ukraine and which would justify an even more rabid russophobia in the EU, especially following the inevitable Russian victory.
The best defense which Russia has against such a scenario would be to strengthen Novorussia enough to resist the Ukrainian attack while using all her covert power to try to trigger an popular revolt against the regime. We are, after all, talking about sending Ukrainian soldiers into a war they cannot win to be massacred en masse by a infinitely superior Russian military. We always come to the same conclusion: at the end of the day, the Ukrainian people have to decide for themselves if they want to live in a Nazi failed state or if they want to die for the AngloZionist Empire.
As for Russia, the threat for her is not military. Not from the US, not from NATO, not from the EU or the Ukrainian military. In fact, Putin specifically stated that the Russian Armed Forces were sufficient to protect Russia from any conceivable attack. And he is right. For Russia, the threat is first and foremost the internal “5th colum” the “Atlantic Integrationists” inside the regime, especially in and near the Medvedev government who are in a prefect position to sabotage the “Eurasian Sovereignist” political course of Putin and his supporters and who have a vested interest in preventing the much needed reform of the Russian economy in order to create popular discontent against Putin.
Truly, it is the Ukraine and the EU who are most at risk from the current trend. They are the sacrificial lambs of an AngloZionist Empire gone insane in its arrogance and hypocrisy. If the AngloZionists succeed in triggering a Russian-Ukrainian war the Ukrainians will, of course, lose it while western Europe will become completely subjugated to the USA for many years to come under the pretext of protecting Europe form a completely fictional “Russian threat”. Considering how totally subservient to Washington EU politicians are and the total control the US is having over the Nazi junta, the only hope is for a late and miraculous wakeup of the European or Ukrainian people. I am not holding my breath, even if hope dies last.
The Saker
“Just recently, right at the end of the WWI, Anglo powers had at least THREE plans”
That would be WWII, not “WWI”, right?
I think your reply is entirely accurate. The Anglo-Zion regime is hell bent on “justifying an even more rabid Russophobia in the EU. If they can somehow provoke Russia into an overt physical response, then the western media can run with it and the “Russian menace” will demand a doubling down on all kinds of MIC spending to the detriment of all the real western economies (and real people). The best thing Russia can do, as you said, is to make sure Novorussia is strong enough to defend itself against the coming onslaught of the NeoNazis.
The main problem that I see is the complete insanity of US political leadership, especially the newly installed Rethugs. If another financial meltdown occurs in the west, as is looking more and more likely, these psychopaths will probably look at war as their best possible option. As the history of the 20th century has shown, The Anglo-Saxon race cannot be trusted.
Greetings from Singapore:
Assume you see no contradiction in following?
(1) Russia got itself militarily ready, all this years, to face a situation like now.
(2) The Atlanticists are still in power, or at least they share power and whatever power they still have, keeps them there where they are now.
Having gone to the trouble of (1) without taking care of (2), is a very dangerous situation and could make any prepardness in (1) futile.
My assumption is that the Atlanticists are there purely for show, a smoke screen for the West, without power and to make belief the West that Russia has some people which are still willing/able to talk to the West.
This would also explain why Putin is able to concentrate in showing the world that Russia is not isolated by travelling to China, Turkey & India and sign multi-billion deals. He could not do this, if his power internally is challenged.
Just speculating
Rgds
Mario Medjeral
Saker
Might want correct WW1 in the 2nd para of your reply. ;)
Agree, the ziofascists are not seeking open warfare against Russia, like in WW2, they are reusing most of the previous cold war strategy of pitting proxies against Russian allies, trying to isolate Russia economically and diplomatically, and demonise them with propaganda.
The Russians, on the other hand, have learned from the mistakes the USSR made when dealing with the fascist west, something which has prevent the fascists/ziofascists getting the sort momentum going they managed to get against the USSR.
The Ami planning to attack their allies right after winning a war is nothing new in Ami international relations. They did the same sort of planning to attack the UK and Japan after WW1, as they did against the USSR after WW2. Had the UK not caved and sold out their Japanese allies in the early 1920’s, WW2 probably would have been the USA being a nazi Germany directly (instead of manipulating them indirectly) against the UK and Japan. The planned Ami naval build-up for post WW1 envisioned a 2 front war against both Japan and the UK, though true to American habit, their planned ship designs were inferior to those planned designs of Japan and the UK.
Putin’s response to the current ZPC/NWO threats is classic. :)
‘Remember lessons we taught Hitler’: Top 10 quotes from Putin’s State of Nation address
http://rt.com/news/211411-putin-state-address-top10/
вот так
Wow, superb presentation. Thank you once again, Saker!
I am left wondering what might happen if the junta doesn’t last through the winter. What are we facing then? What would the US do? What position might Russia be in and what options available to her?
Endless thanks. I hope the well-earned donations are coming your way.
I also firmly believe that the single most important part of any military – the foot-solider – is far more capable and way tougher in the Russian military then in any NATO country.
As disgusting as the US government and its Nato lackeys are, I would not be so quick to dismiss the capabilities of their armed forces. US marines, US army airborne divisions, UK royal marines and parachute regiments, and French Foreign Legion have plenty of combat experience. Those units, along with Canadian and Dutch infantry and special forces, have performed well against battle-hardened and CIA-trained Afghan Taliban militias. The pilots flying F-22s, F-18Es, and Eurofighters also train extensively (200+ hours per year;) do Russian pilots train as much? (Maybe you can confirm this for me.)
An intelligent question by Larchmonter445. And a very reassuring answer by the Saker. Thank you.
I’ve not been on this sight all day, so am perhaps posting a link which others have posted.
I believe the article at this link to be very significant. It’s a quite different take on TurkStream and on Putin’s comments in introducing it.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40445.htm
HI Saker, I don’t agree with everyone who says the USEU is gone insane. I think its the plan to keep down the middle and east of europe…same as the middle east, except that that is for resources and the Germans and Russians and all their tributaries is world domination on a cultural level.
but I think also, that if we (meaning Saker community and friends all over the world) defy and forestall these anglo plans, then the higher worlds too will help, over the coming centuries.
I think the Jewish community has been used and that what we see in Israel and the lobbies are stooges and thugs. and that the real bosses are in england.
oh, and by the way Saker, thanks so much for your pragmatic and positive answers that never fail to dispel fear and panic and despondency.
I think the answer to my question above at 03.23 can be Largely found here:
Thursday, July 31, 2014
Thinking the unthinkable
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/07/thinking-unthinkable.html
Attempts to make use of UK troops vs USSR in 1945 would probably have triggered mutinies and revolution.
@DLF1977:As disgusting as the US government and its Nato lackeys are, I would not be so quick to dismiss the capabilities of their armed forces. US marines, US army airborne divisions, UK royal marines and parachute regiments, and French Foreign Legion have plenty of combat experience. Those units, along with Canadian and Dutch infantry and special forces, have performed well against battle-hardened and CIA-trained Afghan Taliban militias.
According to the Afghans themselves, these units performed much worse than the regular Soviet infantry solider of the 1980s which had to fight in terrible conditions. There are plenty of interviews of Afghans which confirm that. Also, while these forces could not even hold Kabul properly, the Soviets held every single city and all of the roads (at least in daytime – at night the Afghans ruled). One day I want to write a full comparison of the US/NATO performance in Afghanistan vs the Soviet. Believe me, it is no comparison. The Soviet were far better and far tougher. And that is the Soviet military of a totally decaying and demoralized Soviet Union in full-scale crisis, with a crippled economy and terrible training conditions.
The pilots flying F-22s, F-18Es, and Eurofighters also train extensively (200+ hours per year;) do Russian pilots train as much? (Maybe you can confirm this for me.)
Yes. they do. The horrible 1990s when they flew 20-30 hours are now long gone. And their machines are superior to the ones you mention. Also, remember that US/NATO Air Forces are used to fly in quasi impunity, with air supremacy on their side. Just imagine how different it would feel for them against the most advanced air defense forces on the planet AND while confronting the Russian Air Force.
Truly, that perception about such powerful US/NATO forces is a result of very good propaganda, but not military reality.
Cheers,
The Saker
Excellent balanced analysis, Saker. Thank you for sharing.
My 2 cent’s worth:
1. Canadian ‘policing’ interventions are for domestic Canadian ex-pat consumption by Harper. (Btw: How many of these ‘Canadian police are of Ukrainian descent?)
2. However, there is a remote risk (harmonized with WW1 dynamics in which some types place added significance) that a ‘stray’ bullet into a Canadian chest may provide a casus belli for Russian-Canadian hostilities and which in turn would invite US response on the support side of a ‘dear neighbor’ etc. Low but possible, imo.
3. If this happened then the front would be via Alaska and freeing up some of Russia’s north eastern regions may not be entirely against Chinese long-term foreign policy — especially if it meant a rail line from Beijing to NY etc.
4. Ukraine is a failed state and front line in the collapse of the current odious form of financial capitalism. The EU is on the edge of revolution with 50% youth unemployment etc. War or change the system? There are many (especially in DC) who would see war and loss of lives as a preferred outcome to a meltdown in the core of capitalism. The point being, do not rule out irrationality in the ‘Chaos’ scenario.
5. The attack on Russian policy independence is actually part of the friction between the global financial and real economy domains. Denial of access is the weapon sanctions at present.) Certain issues are being played out which are beyond nationality etc. Maintaining independent (and inter-dependent) viability is likely the Russian goal and time is the determining factor (as the rot sets in elsewhere).
6. As for the ‘gangrene’ festering in the “Russian Soul” on its western borderlands — really Moscow is becoming part of the problem and Saker analysis on the internal roles and dynamics of the Russian Oligarchy is insightful. This cancer has completely taken over DC and EU decision making spheres and it is now largely an inter-generational issue as to whether the future world (for a generation or three) will be tending towards exclusive corporatism and fascism or towards a more benign set of social values (and less Tragedy of the Commons). In this trend the Latin American Saker awakening is an interesting development in the promotion of a ‘united-nations’ of languages and cultures for those in the global community focused on working thru resetting policy and governance towards a viable and sustainable future.
7. Now we read that Kiev Yats & Co. think Eastern Ukraine and Crimea will again become one by 2017. Obviously he’s dreaming but the outcome may be possible under one scenario — that being that Russia moves and absorbs much of Ukraine as a post-failed state mop up. Around 50:50, imo.
8. What can easily be seen is the NATO panic for relevance (and behind it the military industrial congressional complex) in the new age of austerity. Timing is the key and personally I think the stage is fast approaching when it won’t really matter what Russia does in respect to Ukraine — they may as well act to end the suffering of at least some of the people and demand an end to NAZI resurgence purely on the basis, if no other reason is justified, of respect for the 20-million Russian/Soviet citizens who died in WW2 defending freedom along with all but Germany.
9. The new geopolitical reality will be little different than Palestine or a dozen other areas on the global stage.
I presume the reference to ‘Atlantic Integrationists’ is a euphemism for the Zionists and Zionist collaborators within. The money elite with their ties to the West within Russia still exert substantial influence, the disentangling process is excruciatingly slow, despite Putin’s best intentions.
The tenacity of the opponents of human freedom is astounding to behold. The global banking elite and their hidden fraternities work within time frames that encompass centuries, theirs is a long game. Their imposition of control over Russia was started long ago, and has been unfolding in stages, this most recent battle for control will have to be decisive, there will not be a second chance, not this time.
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If Ukraine attacks Russia the response should be to beat the devil out of it, in a few days, and go right back home again. So much for Russian expansionism. The American people would be very upset at the US government, I think, despite propaganda since they are already mostly against going to war, and it wouldn’t be that difficult to see who was behind it all.
One thing I’ve found aboud what the MSM says about how Americans feel or think: it lies through it’s teeth and the situation on the ground is often very different from what even the phonied-up polls supposedly show.
__Blue
Few days ago re-found it interesting about short, intermediate (AMRAAM) & long-range air-launched fighter missiles, pros/cons, both sides.
what would be matched up for example opposing europe conflict sides.
there’s a very new USAF missile out or nearly, called the Cuda, which is internal-bay launched, supposedly, is active radar guided to target (not Ired), & hits/destroys with kinetic energy only (no warhead).
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/04/pentagon-worries-that-russia-can-now-outshoot-u-s-stealth-jets.html
@ Penelope – thanks for this link. This is to Joaquin Flores and his huge analysis of the Turk Stream pipeline. It’s probably THE definitive commentary, certainly for now. It illustrates in very concrete terms the exact nature of the shifts.
Flores explains that Turk Stream is not that much of a geographical shift, but it does reflect a large kind of update in realpolitik. It’s a better, modern synthesis of Nabucco and South Stream, and it reflects current insecurities and realities more accurately. Flores uses four different maps to present his analysis, and each one is necessary to understand this very simple pipeline war that we think has to do with other things.
But Flores also shows the situation as similar to a spinal readjustment from the chiropractor (or whatever subtle adjustment you prefer). Point is, it’s not flashy or earthshaking, but the realignment may just mean health rather than illness, peace rather than war. This is what the quiet multipolar world looks like. In its coarse energy resource politics, it also has its subtleties of posture and position.
This Joaquin Flores analysis is starting to appear in several places, and you can find the source here:
Russia and Turkey’s gas deal can save Europe and the World
It’s long, but very readable. I found it very valuable and I recommend it when you have a pot of tea and some time to spend.
To Angelo
Angelo said…
I presume the reference to ‘Atlantic Integrationists’ is a euphemism for the Zionists and Zionist collaborators within. The money elite with their ties to the West within Russia still exert substantial influence, the disentangling process is excruciatingly slow, despite Putin’s best intentions.
Yes, Angelo, Saker has said, if I’m not mistaken that Medvedev is an Altantist Intergationist…so these Us affiliated elites in Russian Gov. are at highest levels…not Putin of course, but that guy beside him…My understanding is that this was part of the package Putin inherited when he first was given the presidency. Maybe the oligarchs who put him there thought he would be on their side, but he surprised them.
mjm I read your comment and would like to comment on your comment…
Maybe these AI’s are ok with Putin getting money for them and Russia no matter where he gets it…but they don’t want to turn away from the Atlantic, which perhaps Putin would like to do, much more than has happened. Now with sanctions these rich Atlanticists are fine with him turning east. The sanctions are probably not in their best interests either.
Saker,
Thanks for the reply. I know your time is precious, so double thanks.
Sorry to hear of Serbia blog, but getting Latin American is huge. Probably, Brazil could join in with some contributions of articles and discussion. That would be another great gain.
An amazing 2014 for the Vineyard, heartaches, headaches, setbacks and all.
Stay well.
Anonymous said…
” If this happened then the front would be via Alaska and freeing up some of Russia’s north eastern regions may not be entirely against Chinese long-term foreign policy — especially if it meant a rail line from Beijing to NY etc.”
That would of course depend on them winning such a war.And fighting in Siberia or similar territory,I think favors Russia much more than any other country.
But that brings up a far bigger question that I’ve never seen a definitive answer to.Why would the NATO powers,mainly the US risk a nuclear war with Russia.Do they REALLY think they wouldn’t be destroyed in that war.Are there people in power in the US that REALLY believe Russia’s nukes won’t strike the US at full force.Even if Russia was destroyed in that war.The US would be also.Are there REALLY insane people not UNDERSTANDING that.Or am I wrong and is there a way they think they won’t be struck by Russian nukes?
Uncle Bob
@saker
“…Truly, that perception about such powerful US/NATO forces is a result of very good propaganda, but not military reality.”
You keep saying this, but it’s small comfort to Russia’s allies from Syria to Novorossiya. If Russia is truly superior or equal to America militarily, how come the Americans are everywhere destroying and smashing resistance across the globe, and Russia is nowhere to be found whenever her allies come face to face with American militarism? You seem to conflate theoretical armies on paper with actual forces affecting the reality on the ground. NATO hit nothing with their air campaign in Kosovo according to you, yet camp bondsteel and the prostrate posture of the former Yugoslavia is testament to the efficient results of that campaign. The Afghan mujahideen say the soviet infantry were superior to the American equivalent, yet Afghanistan suffers helplessly under the American boot for nearly 14 years now, whereas the USSR is no more. Everyone in Europe fears the mighty russian war-machine, just not enough to dissuade them from killing, stealing, bullying and cheating Russia at every turn. Everyone the world over knows the American warmachine is a toothless propaganda fabrication, yet no one dares to oppose them, Russia included. If the Russian military invaded Mexico, or Venezuela, even a fake invasion for PR purposes the way you say NATO is doing in the Baltics, American retribution will be swift, and violent. And everybody knows it, including Russia. How come the permanent aggressors are the paper Tigers, and the permanent victims are the superpower according to your logic? Pretending weakness is strength doesn’t change the reality, so what’s the purpose of pretending
There was another and very important reason why the US never did any of those …Field Marshall Montgomery. The person the US has ‘airbrushed’ out of WW2 (it was his plan for D-Day and he was in charge of ALL forces until Sept 44, when Normandy had been won).
He killed those mad ideas as military nonsense (his scathing comments about Vietnam were legendary) .
Unlike all the idiots he actually went and visited the USSR and met Stalin and all his generals. His conclusion was simple, the USSR was in no condition to attack western Europe until 1960….
As number #2 in NATO (and one of its biggest creators) for many years, he built a totally defensive strategy where an invasion by the USSR would be so expensive that they would never think of it.
It worked, until he retired…then NATO went feral….with whacko US generals in charge and no Monty to keep them under control.
I too believe that NATO will not attack Russia, for all the reasons Saker has given. Plus even if they won and Russia did not use nukes, what would they get? A demolished Ukraine with a Russian fueled perpetual insurrection in the east?
No. Their strategy is to cause trouble for Russia, not for themselves.
I think the NATO strategy is to enmesh Russia in a long war in Ukraine. They’d prefer a Russian invasion but a proxy war between east and west Ukraine will do just as well. They can use such a war over the next 3, 5 maybe 10 years to drain Russia and cause a collapse like in 1990
However, they will fail. The Russian leadership is too astute, the Ukies too unreliable and the US too befuddled.
In the long term I predict that Russia gets eastern and southern Ukraine up to and including Odessa. Western Ukraine becomes another small landlocked NATO statelet
All wars since at least WW 1 have been at the discretion of the central bankster cabal, which controls all the West. Hawks in Washington are of no relevance on their own, although their election (due to bankster-owned media) could be an indicator of aggressive plans.
Events in Ukraine and elsewhere cannot be analyzed in Cold War terms – they must be analyzed in terms of New World Order planning, of which Huntington’s Clash of Civilizations is a central part.
I’ll add a nightmare for western forces.
A key element to the incredible success of the Whermacht was its core ‘mission command’ leadership model.
The was essential in them master what is called 3GW (3rd generation warfare or manoeuvre warfare).
The west has tried this. The two closest have been the 21st British and Canadian Army group in ’44 and 45 under Monty. They succeeded at this.
The US marines tried this in the 80’s and 90s (check William S Lind for references) they failed.
No western force currently uses ‘mission command’ and are hopeless at 3GW. Culturally it is now impossible for them.
The Russians did, starting in the 50’s with their elite units, they had got it together by the 80s.
Look at the Novarussian forces, perfect example of superior 3GW forces running rings around vastly greater sized 2GW ones.
@DLF1977: The pilots flying F-22s, F-18Es, and Eurofighters also train extensively (200+ hours per year;) do Russian pilots train as much?
Not all Western fighter planes are brand spanking new F-22s and Eurofighters.
A few days ago Dutch TV news showed video footage of Dutch F-16s intercepting Russian Su-34’s flying in international air space over the Baltic sea. The general idea is Dutch fighter planes flying over the Baltic is normal, while Russian flighter planes flying over international waters from the Russian mainland to Russian Kaliningrad is an act of agression.
The Dutch F-16’s are the 1979 version of the plane with the mid-life update. These planes are well-maintained, but 30+ years old. Please tell me where is our air superiority is.
I completely agree with the sakers take on the Anglo forces compared to Russian troops. Russian troops are far more hardy and tough whereas Anglozionist troops are far too used to their creature comforts (they even used to have ice cream runs in Vietnam) and too used to fighting goat herders armed with AK47s, in short they have begun believing in their own propaganda of just how “tough” they are. The British have some good units such as the SAS/SBS and parachute regiment but the numbers of these units are miniscule in comparison, as for the yanks forget it, these guys are bully boys and cowards who will fold up against real hard core forces.
One British SAS soldier who went on an exchange training programme to the US said he got the impression that American soldiers tend to concentrate too much on developing upper body strength and like he also said there is no point in having a chest and biceps like Arnold Schwarznegger if you dont have the lungs and stamina to go with it. The American idea of “fighting” is to hunker down in a bunker and call in air strikes on your enemy. Americans are masters of “fighting from afar”, be it targetting a wedding party with drones from thousands of miles away or firing off cruise misiles from the safety of a ship in the middle of the ocean.
One last thing too. When it comes to taking casualties Americans (i.e. the west) are pussies. The Russians lost over 26 million dead in defeating Hitlers war machine and I really cannot envisage Americans losing even a tiny fraction of this immense number before capitulating. America is a bully and like all bullies are immense cowards.
Russia should have just declared an all out war in April after Rostov region was shelled. The purpose would be manifold: to liquidate Ukraine and to liberate Russophone areas of the occupied territory, that is the Black Sea coast and the Novorossia and Russia Minor (Malorussia). Russian Federation should have of course imposed (it is not too late) comprehensive sanctions against the Fourth Reich (otherwise still also occasionally known as the U.S. of A.) as well as Canada, Australia, Poland, the three ethno-Nazi Baltic statelets (with complete trade and transit cargo embargo), possibly also against Germany (closure of automotive marks, and ransacking of banks and retail assets, like Metro Real, etc.) and of course Ukraine (but that goes without saying). Russia should have (it is also not too late) withdrawn its recognition of independence from three Baltic statelets and from the Ukraine. It is again not yet too late. The proverbial train has not yet left the station. Russia should also have broken off all relations with the EU (which it should have done ages ago as it is pointless to deal with an institution that usurped the title of Europe and excludes Russia from it, the EU past 1990-2000s expansion is a hostile force) – one can have good relations with France, Italy, Portugal or Austria BUT not with the EU. That would have also undermined the EU internationally. That is all in the past. I understand that Putin has other considerations and there are other more important and more pressing priorities like safeguarding of the living standard and of general well-being and assets of the Muscovite thieving classes, ensuring that the Muscovite nomenklatura and security people who essentially privatized the Soviet state remain the (illegitimate) owners of it and of nation’s assets for the foreseeable future, better forever (albeit forever is alas impossible) but I don’t understand why he is turning the other cheek to sanctions and I can’t figure out what is the cause of his inexplicable penchant for sheepish pacifism. That said, there are a few things that are not yet too late to be taken care fo. All right, if the prognosis here is correct and we have the Fourth Reich (the USA and its closest and most obedient vassals) preparing to launch a war in the spring using the failed state of Ukraine as the beachhead for their aggression and are now betting on junta’s survival until spring, then it is important for the Russian Federation (which is smaller than Russia) and for the entire world, for mankind in fact, or for humankind if you want to be gender neutral, that the junta does not survive until spring. So the period between now and April is crucial – in that case it would be logical to cut off all energy supplies to Ukraine, ensure that its power system collapses, cause it to default and stop all financial transfers between Russian Federation (where most labor migrants from the territory are working) and the failed ethnostate of the so called Ukraine. At the same time there must be of course all the support for Novorossia and a veiled but irrevocable pledge of direct assistance to anyone who rebels against the junta or undermines it in any shape or form. If the alternative is war, as the assessment claims, and there is a collapse of the statelet which (like Estonia or Latvia) should not come into existence in the first place, then I would rather opt for its collapse. But I don’t see Russia(n Federation) taking any steps to hasten the junta’s demise. I don’t mean war, I mean obvious things to help the junta kick the proverbial bucket sooner that it otherwise would. Mind you under ideal situation the junta must collapse at or before mid spring.
In a slightly unrelated–but important–matter, Diana Johnstone thinks recent NATO deployments in the Baltics may be more than just theater. She speculates that The Indispensable Empire may well have Kaliningrad in its sights.
Kaliningrad used to Königsberg. Immanuel Kant lived there, and that’s where the summer palace of the kings of Prussia was. Could this be why Merkel seems so enthusiastic about the confrontation with Russia? Johnstone wonders.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/12/is-kaliningrad-natos-real-target/
The Operation Unthinkable plan is the smoking gun for the start of the Cold War, and it’s on Winston Churchill. He never fully accepted the Tehran Agreement and was willing to betray it with the arbitrary, unprovoked use of force if he thought he could get away with it. Truman was Churchill’s poodle at Potsdam.
Penelope.
Thanks for the Flores article link. This puts into perspective overall Russian strategy.
Very sad story, Russia is today in the same situation as once Carthage before Rome.
If Russia falls we will enter a new age of American tyranny.
It is strange nobody yet wrote a SF book describing the unipolar world.
Once Nazi, today Natoist
Quoting Saker
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Also, while these forces could not even hold Kabul properly, the Soviets held every single city and all of the roads (at least in daytime – at night the Afghans ruled).
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We also need to take in consideration
that UKUSA supported terrorists/rebels at that time against Soviet Union.
Today Russia does not support terrorists/rebels against America and her vassals in Afghanistan.
UKUSA are Master of Chaos
Thank you for the post. This clarifies many of my personal questions about the situation.
If you have a chance can you report to us something about how the people on the ground in Novorossia, who suffered so much from Ukie attacks this year, are faring as winter aproaches.
pcz
We are back to square one! This is what I wrote on the situation on February 6, 2014 (translated):
On the situation in Ukraine today.
Yanukovych can not order the police to use batons on the rioters because of fears of Western economic sanctions. Not only sanctions, but direct military aggression, using terrorist insurgents. In the current situation, even light bludgeoning and arrests are impossible. The fact is, the situation would require armored military forces brought to Euromaidan Square in 1989 Tienanmen style. This is impossible, as it would lead to direct military threats from the West .
Yanukovych will only act after he gets the necessary security guarantees from Russia. A guarantee that Russia will secure the Ukrainian economy in case of EU and U.S. economic sanctions, and assurance that the Russian armed forces will secure Ukrainian airspace against a Western “no fly zone”. (In reality air war in support of the rebels rats.)
Putin can not provide the security guarantees before the end of the Sochi Olympics .
We should therefore expect accelerating provocation from the West as long as the Olympic Games continue. What happens after the Olympic is beyond predictable.
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From the point of view of Western geopolitical strategy it would be very desirable to see Soviet tanks in the streets of Kiev. In the absence of Soviet tanks Russian tanks will do – if not in Kiev, then at the very least in the Crimea. Western strategy is the same as that in Afghanistan, get Russia tied up to its own Vietnam. Russia must be internationally condemned and isolated from the “international community.”
For a successful outcome it is not even necessary to see Russian troops in Ukraine. The mere fact that Yanukovych uses force to disperse the demonstration is a symbolic Soviet tank – for the West and its presstitute media every blow of the truncheon represents Putin’s tyranny and Stalin’s crimes. In a way the Western media is right, as even the whacking would happen in the shelter of “Putin’s” nuclear umbrella.
Thanks for the question,L445,and for the answer Saker.Top notch as usual, and very reassuring.
I read your RI piece just now,and have to say that although born in great Blightain,those newspaper headlines made me ashamed to be born blitish.Thank God I no longer have to live there with such hypocrites.
God speed Russia.
XbNB
The following Facts provide Logical Proof on how to prevent your family and your friends from being killed in WW 3.
There is a Fact concerning Kosovo and Crimea, where the Nazi Anglo-American Evil Empire and with its Puppet of the Nazi European Union wants an Independent Kosovo for WW 3 and Crimea became Independent of Ukraine in order to try to Prevent WW3.
We All know that WW 3 will Destroy our Planet, and it will kill All Humans, and this is why Honest People are against an Independent Kosovo, and this is why Honest People are in Favor of Crimea being Independent of Puppet Nazi Ukraine.
Russia does not want to reoccupy Countries, because if it did, then it would never have left those European Countries in the first place.
There were high hopes based Entirely on False Promises from Anglo-America at the end of the Cold War, and we All now know that it was because Nazi Anglo-America and the Nazi European Union wants WW 3.
The Independence of Crimea from Ukraine is a Unique Case, because it helps Prevent All Humans dying in WW 3, but more is needed such as America leaving Eastern Europe and the Balkans, as they have no good intentions there.
The People of the World need to boycott All British, American, and German Goods and Services, until Nazi Anglo-America leaves Eastern Europe and the Balkans to try to help Prevent WW 3.
There are in Reality only 2 Conditions that need to be Realized if Kosovo is not to become Independent and used by Nazi Anglo-America and Nazi Germany for WW 3, and these may be impossible or they may be possible, and only time will tell us the answer to that.
One Condition is that Nazi Germany Renounces Nazism in order to join the Human Race, and the other Condition is that Serbian Politicians have some Integrity to Lobby All European Union Nations for Nazi Germany to Renounce Nazism, in order to join the Human Race, but the Serbian Government should not allow Kosovo to become Independent, even if Anglo-America and Germany have given them Underground Nuclear Shelters as their one of their Bribes, even as Nazi Anglo-America and Nazi Germany have Bribed the other Puppet Governments of the European Union.
If Nazi Germany cannot or does not want to Renounce Nazism in order to join the Human Race, then Serbia should Secretly not want to join the European Union, and if Serbia really wants to join the European Union, then they just need to be Patient, because History Proves that Nazism is always Conquered in Europe.
There could be People who think that if the Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo wants to join the Nazi European Union, then they need to Revoke their Illegal unilateral declaration of independence, in order to make it easier for Nazi Germany to have the Kosovo Albanians join the European Union as part of their European Country of Serbia.
The Kosovo Albanians should Realize that they cannot Publically say that they do not want to be under Nazi German Domination as part of the Nazi European Union, and there could be People who think that the Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo should therefore say to Nazi Germany that they wish to join the Nazi European Union as part of their European Country of Serbia, and if the Kosovo Albanians do not want to join the European Union, then Serbia should not want that either.
A few of the Facts in this comment can be put on a one page Word Document, which has small margins of 1.5 centimeters in order to hold more writing, and this should be Translated in Most European Languages.
That one page Document can be stored in a USB, and Copies can be made and distributed in America and Europe, and other Countries in their own Languages.
It is Vital to use the Nazi word, because Nazism in another form is a Reality, and it is Vital to Warn People that All Humans will die in WW 3.
This Factual Information can be Distributed by means of Illegal Mobile Radio Stations in any Country on a frequency that is not being used by other Radio Stations of those Countries.
Hi,
An said:” …then the higher worlds too will help, over the coming centuries”
That’s the subject of my new analysis of the current 7 months referring to long waves actually emerging in centuries.
I commented last week at the end af a long thread of comments seemingly a done discussion.
So here’s my second try to contribute:
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2014/12/berlin-kiew-and-russia-in-next-7-months.html
No one would ever accuse me of being an optimist, or wearing rose colored glasses. Nevertheless, I am perhaps more optimistic than the Saker.
Unless the EU and US are prepared to bail out the Ukraine, the state will fail within the next few months as it literally runs out of money. The ceasefire is a sign of weakness, not strength.
Furthermore, whilst the western Ukrainians are the backbone of the Kiev Junta, they are far from the majority. There are simply too many Ukies who want no part of any war with Russia.
Further, the cross cultural interactions and communications between Ukies and Russians, cannot be blocked. For example, there are heated debates on blogs on both sides of the border, so the ability of the Ukrainian ministry of Truth to suppress contrary views is limited. Without an active war, the Junta will be blamed for the imposition of extreme austerity.
When the americans failed to seize Crimea, they lost the big prize, huge oil and gas reserves offshore and one of ther very best naval deep water harbors in the world.
Without Donbass, the ukie state is failed, lacking coal resources. So the end result will be just another american foreign policy disaster.
Quoting DLF1977:
“As disgusting as the US government and its Nato lackeys are, I would not be so quick to dismiss the capabilities of their armed forces. US marines, US army airborne divisions, UK royal marines and parachute regiments, and French Foreign Legion have plenty of combat experience. Those units, along with Canadian and Dutch infantry and special forces, have performed well against battle-hardened and CIA-trained Afghan Taliban militias”
It is one thing to fight against militia irregulars with light weapons. It is another to take on a modern, fully equipped army on their home turf. If NATO thought they could win via a direct military confrontation, they would have already attacked. America NEVER shows restraint when the odds are vastly in their favor.
Special forces are useful against militias, but are just as vulnerable to heavy artillery and tactical nukes as the average grunt.
Saker is right, its all for show.
From BBC
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As a result, the question of the presence of the far-right in Ukraine remains a highly sensitive issue, one which top officials and the media shy away from. No-one wants to provide fuel to the Russian propaganda machine.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955
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No-one wants to provide fuel to the Russian propaganda machine.
But when is in question Russia
then all Nato media and all UKUSA vassals do provide fuel to American propaganda machine….
F********BBC and NATO
Top Secret US satellite launched on Atlas V rocket.
It depends on Russian engines to get off the ground. Russian-built RD-180 engine.
The rocket will target the Molniya orbit, an elliptical trajectory with a 12-hour period that is named for Soviet Molniya satellites, the first spacecraft to use the orbit.
The mission of the satellite, NROL-35, was not disclosed. However, its use in the Molniya orbit suggests that it will probably be used for communications or signals intelligence.
The Atlas V is an active expendable launch system from the Atlas rocket family, formerly operated solely by Lockheed Martin and later joined by Boeing to create the United Launch Alliance. It uses a Russian-built RD-180 engine that uses kerosene and liquid oxygen for fuel for the first stage, and an American-built RL10 engine that burns liquid hydrogen and oxygen for the Centaur upper stage.
The rocket’s first launch was in August 2002. It has had a near-perfect success rate, with the exception of a 2007 flight when the rocket experienced an upper-stage anomaly that caused it to shut down four seconds early, causing the payload to end up in a lower-than-intended orbit. Still, the NRO said it considered the mission a success.
“The Third World War” by Boaventura de Sousa Santos:
http://blogs.publico.es/espejos-extranos/2014/12/13/la-tercera-guerra-mundial/
There are a number of examples of US support for one side in an internal civil war – but without direct US intervention.
China comes to mind – “democratic” forces were the official government of China – but by 1949 were driven out of mainland China completely.
Korea and Vietnam were both sites of massive direct US intervention; the former was stalemated after many billions of economic aid and ongoing direct US military presence while the latter saw the US driven out despite said direct military presence.
What it boils down to is: which way will the Ukrainian people go as their economy continues to deteriorate? Will/Can the US and/or EU invest the hundreds of billions into the Ukraine to make it South Korea, or will it be left to wither on the vine like Vietnam?
re: politically and economically Putin will have the last laugh…when the Western system crashes and the IMF has to issue paper to back international trade, the ruble will rest on its gold reserves. When the NATO generals bluster, the labor and people’s parties of Europe will go on a general strike. And when Merkel resigns to retire in California as is her fond wish expressed in a recent biop in the New Yorker mag, the captains of German industry and banking will hasten to make nice to Russia. Meanwhile, we in the blogosphere fret and, in the case of war criminals left scot free in the USA, we fume in helpless rage. Justifying torture is an excuse to do Evil.
Agreed with you Saker about US forces needing months to build up. There’s also the problem that US/NATO forces against Russia won’t have the luxury of a long “Softening Up” bombing period. The US always assumes they will have this in any crisis, such as a China-Taiwan fight. They won’t be able to tailor sorties to their now very high maintenance aircraft. In other words, the Russians aren’t going to stop just because the USAF needs a rest period for their newer drones and aircraft. Saddam and the Serbs didn’t have the means to hit them back – the Russians do.
Here’s another point: The US is wholly dependent on private contracts for the bulk of serious maintenance; in the Cold War, these jobs were mostly instrinsic to the Armed forces with soldiers performing these tasks. The USAF might have people who can run a checklist and reboot the software, but if the systems really go on the fritz, they’ll need Private Contractors there or even have to send the planes back to Western Europe or the US itself.
Soldiers can be ordered to stand and keep working under attacks. Will 40-year old civilian contractors with two kids and colleges to pay for, who signed up for the $80k USD/year feel the same way? How will they feel when their airfield comes under cluster bomb attack, that kills or wounds half their co-workers? Can they be held under courts martial for quitting, when their employer is Haliburton/KBR/Lockheed-Martin and they are not in the Armed Forces or even DoD employees?
Of course, as you say you can’t hide a 1991 buildup of forces. The US assumes the Russians (or the Chinese against US forces building up in Okinawa or Taiwan) won’t launch a spoiling attack.
Striking your enemy as he organizes to attack you is an ancient and effective strategy. Especially when the enemy pompously thinks you wouldn’t dare do so.
I read frequently yahoo news. They are terribly anti Russia. How is that possible. Who controls all these journalists editors etc? Can people from USA or insiders explain how does it work in MSM?
Paul Robinson, University of Ottawa, December 04, 2014 Russias role in the war in Donbas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjshHd1u-JE
Seems to back up a lot of the Saker analysis. Robinson just skims the Maidan episode.
Dear Saker: I agree with your military analysis entirely except for one item: Ground Forces personnel. They are no doubt well equipped now, and frequently trained in exercises. But the last few years there have been end-of-year snapshots of military numbers showing a total number less than 800,000, as opposed to the one million TO&E. There are also occasional anecdotal reports of draftee constant-readiness Ground Forces units only 2/3 manned because of personnel shortages. In the very large Eastern Military District exercise last summer there were articles about a substantial number of reservist called up to fill up units, from their photos many well into their thirties. Consequently, draftee Ground Force units aren’t strong enough for any offensive action, and might have difficulty defensively until they fill up with reservists.
Russia is indeed recruiting a large number of “contract” soldiers, but these are going to full-time contract units (airborne, naval infantry, units outside the country, the 42nd Division in the North Caucasus (likely brigades now), the re-assembled Taman division outside Moscow, and are also being trained as NCO’s and specialists for draftee units. All of these are important, but they are not being used to fill up the ranks of the under-manned draftee units.
There are several reasons for this state of affairs, none easy to solve, given the correlation of forces. Perhaps the easiest is the draft. Mr. Putin has promised repeatedly it won’t be extended past 12 months (four of them training), so this is unlikely to change. But some 30% of the 700,000 or so 17 year olds never register for the draft at all. (Almost all that register do report when called up.) Prosecuting them hasn’t proved effective. It’s rarely done because of general opposition to the draft locally. What has been proposed, but not pushed through the Duma, is denying people that won’t register entrance to any Government sponsored education or training (almost all), very sought after in Russia, or to any jobs with the Government or on Government contracts. Commentators think might help, but there has been little support for it because of the unpopularity of the draft. If Mr. Putin introduced it as a military necessity, there’s a good chance it might pass.
Another related problem is the churn of draftees within units. Every six months a new batch comes in after four months training for eight months service, overlapping the draftees from six months before. It would be relatively easy to completely train each batch six months, including unit training at training centers, before shipping them to units, as was the old system before the 12-month draft, but with the severe lack of manpower, they are needed ASAP in their service units, and so acquire their unit training there.
Yet a third problem is the lack of reserve units. Ex-draftees are supposed to be assigned to the TO&E of an active duty unit (or in some cases to an entirely unmanned unit at a military warehouse), called up every third year for a month or two refresher training, but rarely called up for a unit exercise, except as in the Eastern Military District exercise. The reserve refresher training is very unpopular, large number of occupations are exempt, and is widely evaded, rarely with any penalty. There are, moreover, no actual, trained reserved units as such (!). For several years the Ministry on Defense has been test a single (!!) experimental brigade of contract reservists, to see if that might work on a larger scale, but nothing further has been done yet.
In general, the draftee constant-readiness Ground Forces units are undermanned, under trained, and without trained reserve units to back them up. They’d have a difficult time in combat.
Putting Cruise Missiles in Europe will destroy NATO. This time there is no Thatcher to rescue Helmut Schmidt with Greenham Common siting of useless Pershing missiles………Europe could explode as things stand and overturn governments
Perhaps now we know why the US “gave” Greece 400 Abrams tanks and 700 APC’s about three years ago.
@DLF1977 on 13 December, 2014 03:55
answer to your query is here.
May 5, 2011
Last year, British forces in Helmand province send a message to the Taliban that all major operations were carried out by the Americans, so if we did not target them, the British forces would not target the Taliban,” Nazir said.
What a cowards!!
-also here
=” Taliban to western reporter and how do you find the british and Americans=
Taliban=”Cowards”=
why??=”The Russians at least had the bravery to face us=”
The Americans and british behind American skirts call in air-support so that they try to destroy us to make it easy for their soldiers=”
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began in 1940 and Churchill believed it held the secret of victory. He was convinced that raids of sufficient intensity could destroy Germany’s morale, and so his War Cabinet planned a campaign that abandoned the accepted practice of attacking the enemy’s armed forces and, instead made civilians the primary target. Night after night, RAF bombers in ever increasing numbers struck throughout Germany, usually at working class housing, because it was more densley packed.” – The Peoples’ War, Angus Calder. London, Jonathan Cape, 1969.
“Hitler only undertook the bombing of British civilian targets reluctantly three months after the RAF had commenced bombing German civilian targets. Hitler would have been willing at any time to stop the slaughter. Hitler was genuinely anxious to reach with Britain an agreement confining the action of aircraft to battle zones.
Also recall now a common strategy of the anglosaxon parasites : initiating agitation and divisions, feeding weapons and aid to both sides of a conflict to get them to wipe each other out, so the anglosaxon hyenas can move in unimpeded.
A messianic and matricide land built by Illuminati, freemasons and cromwellian agents (the creators of Oceania, a theme that inspired Orwell in his famous novel), America adores to destroy for theological reasons. Tocqueville has remarked this trait. Courageous and creative director Oliver Stone has reminded us in his TV program on American forbidden history that Churchill and Truman the atomic bomb-dropper started the cold war, not Stalin. They built communist threat as they built later Islamic threat.
http://indrus.in/blogs/2013/06/13/operation_unthinkable_churchills_plan_to_start_world_war_iii_26091.html
“In the closing days of WW II, Winston Churchill came up with a bizarre plan for a joint British-American attack on the USSR. When told the Russians would bombard the UK on a massive scale, the British PM quietly backed off.”
[from Blue]
You can learn a lot from cats. Last year Flipper was just a little black and white kitten. One day I put food ut and all the cats gathered around to eat from the dish, but Flipper glared at them all most fiercely and growled. The other cats, some of them five times his size, astonished, backed off, and he ate his fill, and wandered off before the others filled their bellies.
Any of the other full grown cats, or even the larger kittens, could have defeated Flipper in a scrap easily with a single swat, but they had no desire to fight, or to risk getting scratched even a little, or to hurt Flipper.
Often the most aggressive or threatening animal will get it’s way in small matters, even if weak and small, if actual combat does not ensue. Flipper bluffed them all out with his posturing, like many other animals in nature.
Bullies in the school yard sometimes do the same, intimidating larger kids with threats. The US engages in this bravado as a matter of policy against equal or more dangerous opponents. It’s the smaller countries they attack, like the bully in the playground.
You could easily defeat a raccoon which was running after you, but do you want to take a chance of being injured some so you could kill it, or will you avoid it? Would you stick your hand into their nest, probably being bitten even though you can destroy them?
This explains, in part, Russians’ hesitancy to engage in combat: what’s in it for them? What are the real dangers to Russia of letting the US stomp around ranting and blustering (while the US is in the process of destroying itself)?
__Blue
How time has still to pass before we will read something similar as below?
“The Extraordinary Assembly of the Free and Confederate Regions of Ukraine (FCRU), in short Ukraine Confederation, has had its first meeting in Donetsk on 29 December 2014. The meeting was attended by representatives of all the Regions of the former Ukraine as at March 31, 2014.
It was unanimously declared that the Extraordinary Assembly of the FCRU recognizes as legitimate the Referendum for the Independence of Crimea following the fascist coup in Kiev on 21-22 February 2014 and that it respects the subsequent willing of the Crimean peoples. After this decision, the representative of Crimea, invited as observer, left the meeting thanking the Extraordinary Assembly of the Free and Confederate Regions of Ukraine and wishing its success in the hard times the Regions are experiencing.
It was decided to declare Donetsk the Provisional Capital of the FCRU until Kiev will be liberated.
The Extraordinary Assembly of the Free and Confederate Regions of Ukraine decided to nominate a Provisional Government of the FCRU.
The Provisional Government of the FCRU took the decision to create the Army of the FCRU, whose scope will be to ensure the liberation of the whole territory of the Confederation by the fascist occupation, punish the perpetrators of crimes based on racial grounds, assuring to all peoples, languages and cultures equal rights in the Confederation, create the conditions for the return to peaceful conditions of life.
It was decided to make an appeal to all units of the Army of the former Ukraine to join the Confederation Army to fight together to liberate all the territories by the fascist occupants and their foreign mercenaries and destroy the traitors in the pay of foreign powers.
The Provisional Government of the FCRU declares as illegal and void of any legal and binding effects all decisions, including treaties with foreign nations or organizations, taken from February 21 2014, by the illegal Government actually in Kiev.
The Provisional Government of the FCRU decided to order the expulsion of the US ambassador from Kiev and the closure of the US Embassy for the time being, for their continuous interference in internal affairs causing all the suffering to the peoples in the territories of the FCRU.
For the same reasons, it is expelled the EU representative and closed its offices in Kiev.
The actual representatives of (the former) Ukraine in International Organizations are removed from their offices and new ones will be nominated as soon as it will be possible. All the Ambassadors in the Embassies abroad of the (former) Ukraine are instructed not to obey any more the instructions from Kiev not to be charged with high treason…….”
Fascist Sunni militants with NATO help have been waging war against NON Sunni Muslims for 20 YEARS, now! These same NATO/Sunni militants have been conducting mafias that deal drugs, traffic human beings, smuggle weapons and supply mercenaries to conduct terrorist acts.
It began in 1978 when Washington (and Saudi Arabia) started to finance the right wing Islamist mujahedeen uprising against a left wing pro-Soviet government in Kabul. The left regime was finally defeated in 1992 and the Taliban emerged as the dominant force among several other fighting groups in the mid-90s.
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Russia, Do NOT let Israel, England and the other members of the criminal gang against Syria fool you with a few gas contracts. What they are offering you is similar to narcotics, and they ONLY wish you evil. When Russia was weak and Chechnya’s terrorists were trying to separate from Russia, all these Western countries and Israel were calling the terrorists freedom fighters and were hoping Russia would split. All these intentions are still valid. Soon, you will be able to export all the gas and oil you want to Asia. Deceit, greed and hyposcrisy are profound qualities in the character of the Western society.
“Oh when will the ironies end? Edward Snowden finding asylum in “freedom loving” Russia from the persecution of a snooping, prying Empire. Amerika supplying weapons to Syrian “freedom fighters” with known al-Qaeda ties. NATO parlaying with the Taliban to ensure a graceful exit from the Graveyard of Empires. Washington promoting universal “democracy” and “freedom” in a Middle East where its principal bedrock ally, Saudi Arabia, flogs journalists for blogging about freedom and arrests women for the crime of driving. Perhaps taking the cake, the US wagging its finger at China for espionage! All those kettles calling all those pots sooty messes.
Indeed, “Do as I say, not as I do” should be the national anthem of most anglosaxon countries led by england , who depend on a high-wire act balancing lofty rhetoric with the dirty business of lying, stealing, spying and killing.
A group of terrorists on 9/11 blow a tower block, kill 3000, the U.S goes and kills 2 Million people.
Then they use the same excuse of stopping terrorism and blanket apply it to the Internet. What a perfect excuse to very thinly disguise TOTAL control over everything online
Everybody better be well prepared for a global war of plunder to fix these collapsing economies of the USA, Britain.
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The Empire is Britain and it enforces its will through its Death Star, which is its USA colony.
“white “=misnomer used by english occupiers who detested even whiter irish and germans as nonwhites.
the english spies in us discrimnated agasint much of non anglosaxon whites in america.white misnomer.
The reason minority england worshipping anglosaxons are still ruling USA is because of this-other stupid whites(whom the anglosaxons hardly care about) are not fighting for their right from anglosaxons but from the blacks!
Usa comes to rescue of not European white nations but only england and its anglo colonies.
Usa shares stolen secrets not with white nato nations but only with anglosaxon races.
english racists occupiers of america really mean -white= anglosaxons who worship england as master nation.
most of anglos are not anglosaxon race which is the most vile race using usa as a colony for england. wake up whites and blacks in usa. kill british spy journalists and their stooges in hollywood.
Benjamin Franklin “we should bewary of allowing Germans and sweds to immigrate, because they were too swarthy!”
@Suvorov: I think that you are correct in your thesis, that there are still shortages of personnel and that this is a problem, but I think that you are mistaken in your conclusions.
First, while some units do indeed experience shortages, the key units, the ones which would be called in to fight a US/NATO attack do not.
Second, you are overlooking time: if the US/NATO would need at least 4-6 month to prepare for a war in the Ukraine, that is time Russia could use to mobilize and get ready.
Third, you are overlooking geography: NATO would have to cross the Ukraine before getting anywhere near the Russian Forces which means that combat operations would primarily involved long range strikes, not infantry or armor.
Russia under Putin is not Iraq under Saddam: she will not just sit and do nothing while the US/NATO engage in a massive beefing up of its forces in Europe in preparations for an attack. As soon as the Russians become convinced that an attack is inevitable, they will strike and preempt it. Nobody in the Russian military is going to just sit and wait for another June 22, 1941 to happen.
As for training, since now the recruits neither cook, nor clean, not build nor do anything other than combat training and associated skills, their level of tactical expertise has gone through the roof.
Anyway, here are the raw numbers as provided by the IISS’s “Military Balance 2014” for the Russian Armed Forces:
Active: 845’000
Army: 250’000
Airborne: 35’000
Navy: 130’000
Strategic Deterrent Forces: 80’000
Support: 200’000
Paramilitary: 519’000
Reserves: 2’000’000
Mind you that the IISS tends to under-estimate Russian figures. For example it gives a totally dated 60-120 hours for Russian pilots, which is totally off the mark.
Again, this or that figure doesn’t matter. That is bean-counting. All I am trying to show is a general order of magnitude, a rough ballpark figure and that is enough to show that a US/NATO offensive in the Ukraine or any other US/NATO attack against Russia would be utter folly and would be defeated.
Cheers,
The Saker
Part I:
JBlarson said…
@saker
“…Truly, that perception about such powerful US/NATO forces is a result of very good propaganda, but not military reality.”
You keep saying this, but it’s small comfort to Russia’s allies from Syria to Novorossiya. If Russia is truly superior or equal to America militarily, how come the Americans are everywhere destroying and smashing resistance across the globe, and Russia is nowhere to be found whenever her allies come face to face with American militarism? You seem to conflate theoretical armies on paper with actual forces affecting the reality on the ground. NATO hit nothing with their air campaign in Kosovo according to you, yet camp bondsteel and the prostrate posture of the former Yugoslavia is testament to the efficient results of that campaign. The Afghan mujahideen say the soviet infantry were superior to the American equivalent, yet Afghanistan suffers helplessly under the American boot for nearly 14 years now, whereas the USSR is no more. Everyone in Europe fears the mighty russian war-machine, just not enough to dissuade them from killing, stealing, bullying and cheating Russia at every turn. Everyone the world over knows the American warmachine is a toothless propaganda fabrication, yet no one dares to oppose them, Russia included. If the Russian military invaded Mexico, or Venezuela, even a fake invasion for PR purposes the way you say NATO is doing in the Baltics, American retribution will be swift, and violent. And everybody knows it, including Russia. How come the permanent aggressors are the paper Tigers, and the permanent victims are the superpower according to your logic? Pretending weakness is strength doesn’t change the reality, so what’s the purpose of pretending
13 DECEMBER, 2014 07:12
Let me attempt at answering that:
1) No one is claiming that Russia can rival the US in global power projection. That is a wholly different matter. In terms of global power projection the US reins supreme and no one is claiming otherwise.
2) US/NATO are also very powerful in their control of global financial flows. This has nothing to do with their military capabilities, but one of the main reasons that Russia has for so long avoided confrontation with proxies with the AZ Empire, is that the West can hurt Russia economically.
3) What the Saker says, and I would agree, is that if NATO attacked Russia (not the other way round) then Russia can defend herself. That is the primary goal of the Russian Armed Forces and the Russian weapons are designed specifically to that end.
4) Whether we like or we don’t, the Baltics are indeed members of NATO and the Americans can move troops in there. Mexico is not a Russian military ally. Maybe in the future though :)
Part II:
5) The US and its lackeys are not smashing resistance everywhere. What you are claiming there is highly inaccurate. The Americans have only smashed extremely weak and defenseless countries with very old weaponry and the like. They have been threatening Iran for ages now, why have they not attacked it? Do you think that the reason for not attacking Iran was a moral one? Or do you think that Iran would not be attacked if they Americans did not worry about serious losses? Why did they not crush North Korea? Why are they going batshit crazy whenever Russia decides to sell S-300 missiles to any other country? (now S-400) Why have the Americans threatened every single country that expressed a desire of purchasing the SU-35? Even South Korea wanted to buy that plane.
5) My final point is that the reason why the Americans have had it so easy in bullying so many countries in recent years was the relative economic weakness of Russia, the only now-arriving Chinese (remember that China was a Third World backwater until extremely recently) the “Atlanticists” in the Kremlin, their control of global financial flows and their extensive alliances and networks of corrupt regimes. This US Empire is only now truly beginning to unravel and this is precisely the reason why they are now attacking Russia. It’s a last gasp attempt for the AZ Empire to preserve their now fat-fading hegemony.
The Taliban quote:
“The Americans and british behind American skirts call in air-support so that they try to destroy us to make it easy for their soldiers=”
The Ukie way to fight, too. Drive down the road, pound a village with shells for a day or two before putting people in. Never mind there may be no enemy there at all. Oh, sorry, forgot the babies are terrorists
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“..Bullies in the school yard sometimes do the same, intimidating larger kids with threats. The US engages in this bravado as a matter of policy against equal or more dangerous opponents. It’s the smaller countries they attack, like the bully in the playground…”
My brother at 7 or 8 used to come home at least once a week torn and bruised by bullies. He always said he sees no point in fighting them. One day he came home a lot worse than usual but grinning ear to ear “I WON!”. Turned out the bully had picked on a much smaller kid so felt it necessary to step in to save him. Nobody ever picked on him after that, either.
Should I give his number to Putin?
UNCLE BOB said, “But that brings up a far bigger question that I’ve never seen a definitive answer to. Why would the NATO powers,mainly the US risk a nuclear war with Russia?”
Uncle Bob, everyone speaks os this question as if US elites are acting to create “US hegemony” over the world. I believe that the entire international cabal of elites desires planetary rule by their oligarchic class. The nation-state is not meant to survive; US is only a tool.
As to WHY they are willing to risk the world’s annihilation in order to rule it and the mass of humanity (those that they deem necessary for their projects & therefore fit to survive)– it’s worthwhile to look at their psychology. Just how crazy are they? What motivates them?
Some are just employees, like the generals and the CEOs. The Big Boys are the leading lights of long-rich families. The historical rise of the middle class didn’t please them; prior to that the NORM was oligarchical rule– at least in the
West for several centuries. The desire to extend one’s rule to cover the known world isn’t new.
To wish to rule over others, to make the effort of their lives serve one’s own ends, strikes the modern ear as barbaric. You and I are possessed of empathy and the urge to cooperate– and a true aversion to slaughter. Those who wish the global oligarchy are different.
Among such families already inside this generational plan children are raised to be different. In the 19th century some of the sons of American families w such aspirations had to be put to death: Upon reaching maturity and being informed of their role in this plan they became resistors. The culture in which they had been raised was too rational, too civilized. After that care was taken to raise their young in secret societies, beginning at a young age. These inculcated that they were important, possessed of secret knowledge. Such societies– Yale’s Skull & Bones, the highest levels of masonry among them– are one method of killing off normal empathy for others. I think being raised by servants & boarding schools can be another.
Perhaps the most important aspect of their obssession w power is that it is a religion, reinforced w ritual– the breaking of all sexual taboo, even involving children. When you pervert the seat of pleasure. . . . There are elements of satanism. I can’t go on, except to say that once you have selected absolute rule over others normal virtues become vices, and every variety of treachery the implementing virtues.
One big advantage Russia has, too — a unified single command.
NATO is fragmented. Every little group has its own commanders and own systems. They don’t even have a single shared language.
I wonder if Russia really has to kill anyone, first off? what if all the nearby NATO aircraft got bombed on their airfields? just with very heavy black smoke bombs? followed by a phone call that gives the calibre and quantity of real bombs coming in the second wave if they don’t back off? they can’t even be blamed for aggression if nobody gets hurt (soiling their pants not counted).
Dear Saker and friends,
@ JBlarson
Apropos Afghanistan, one needs not be a military expert or even ask the Afghans as to who performed better over there (Soviets or NATO)
As far as I know, the Soviets never had more than 80,000 troops in Afghanistan and still managed to control all the cities and at the same time inflict massive casualties on the Mujahedeen. We must also factor in the massive logistical support provided by Pakistan, the Saudis and the US for the Mujahedeen against the Soviets.
NATO on the other hand, required much more than 80,000 soldiers in order to try and control Afghanistan, newer technology and the Afghans had zero support from either Russia or China. In fact Russia co-operated against the Taliban in Afghanistan. Imagine what NATO casualties would be and how disastrous their whole campaign would be if the Afghans had even a few advanced Russian anti-tanks weapons, or anti-aircraft missiles etc…
As for the performance of western ground troops, as far as I can tell, the last time a western ground force was really good at fighting was the Germans in WWII. I am completely unaware of any occasion where a western army had to face serious ground forces since then. Even against extremely weak opponents they have tended to perform very poorly and always rely on on complete Air Superiority. The Anglo-Americans in WWII were hopeless in ground operations. They could never defeat any half-serious German ground force despite the fact that the Germans were massively outnumbered on either the western front or North Africa, and despite the fact the troops on the western front were at best second rate. The only reason the Anglo-Americans could defeat the Germans was complete Air Superiority (30:1) Even then, we must also keep in mind that the Germans would much rather surrender to the Anglos than to the Soviets.
I am not saying here that WWII has much relevance with our discussion here, but I would like someone to point out to me an occasion where a western ground force performed well under difficult conditions.
Seamus Padraig said…
In a slightly unrelated–but important–matter, Diana Johnstone thinks recent NATO deployments in the Baltics may be more than just theater. She speculates that The Indispensable Empire may well have Kaliningrad in its sights.
Kaliningrad used to Königsberg. Immanuel Kant lived there, and that’s where the summer palace of the kings of Prussia was. Could this be why Merkel seems so enthusiastic about the confrontation with Russia? Johnstone wonders.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/12/is-kaliningrad-natos-real-target/
Just read the Johnstone piece. Very interesting. I think we tend to think of Ukraine as being in “southeast Europe” and picture it in relation to the Black Sea. But it is actually pretty close to teh Baltic. I noticed some days ago that if one looks at a pipelines map of Europe and Russia that puts Ukraine more or less in the center of the map (e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes), it becomes obvious that Ukraine amd BE;ariss more or less lie athwart a land bridge. Now see the pink blob of Kaliningrad (which I hadn’t really noticed when I looked at this map before). I must say, when I look at that map and also take in Kaliningrad, it seems that taking control of that territory might look like a no-brainer to some NATA gamesters.
Katherine
Richard Moore (rkm) said…
“All wars since at least WW 1 have been at the discretion of the central bankster cabal, which controls all the West. Hawks in Washington are of no relevance on their own, although their election (due to bankster-owned media) could be an indicator of aggressive plans.”
Thank you Richard Moore. The sooner Russia is out of the IMF and bankster control of their monetary system the better.
Anonymous said…
I read frequently yahoo news. They are terribly anti Russia. How is that possible. Who controls all these journalists editors etc? Can people from USA or insiders explain how does it work in MSM?
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Approx. 90% of US media corporations are owned or controlled by Jews. This has been true of Hollywood since the beginning. Media business is now highly vertically integrated. Most of the Internet programming, TV and Radio, newspapers, magazines (even book publishing)are part of huge conglomerates which keep on consolidating until there are only 6 huge ones left right now which control almost all media. Worldwide the situation is almost as bad. Murdoch is possibly the worst and the most prominent worldwide.
Editorial positions and world news will usually be dictated from “corporate.”
If there is an issue which the elite Jewish oligarchs don’t want everyday people focusing on, it will be difficult to find it covered.
Discussing of WW III in these terms is pointless, NATO Nations won’t attack Russia. Period. Larger NATO Countries have tough professional forces ready to go wherever called without asking any question, but, as it has been pointed out, they are just a few. I can’t see Bundeswehr draftees marching into Russia, never mind Slovaks or Rumanian or the like.
The problem is that roobit, albeit exaggerating, is basically right: Russian response is weak, weak and contradictory. They are being spitted in the face daily and they tell the spitters “dear partners, this might perjudicate our outstanding relations”.
I don’t believe for a moment that Russia might work out a preemptive strike: they never did in history and won’t do so. Even reaction to open hostility is now put at minimum level.
Wiping the Nazis from the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk Republics would be the way to show the Empire you don’t mess with Russia, and probably to cow the Ukies into quick submission (they were incredibly scared of russian reaction when they started attacking Donbass, and just took courage when they saw that nothing happened) or to start a revolt in half their Country.
Every day Donbass gets more and more damaged, more of its people die, the Ukies get more equipment and entrench themselves better. Putting a good deal of equipment and “volunteers” – the West says they are there anyway – would do the trick, if Russia weren’t paralysed by the fifth column. Or maybe they fear that the West might sanction them…
@ anon 11:19
“It is strange nobody yet wrote a SF book describing the unipolar world.”
I’ve been a long-time SF fan (not now – it’s become political and degenerate) – and there are some SF novels classed under the heading “alternate history” which explore worlds that could have been if a historic event had happened differently. One of the best of this kind is called “The man in the high castle” by Philip K. Dick which explores a unipolar world (where the US has lost WW2). Fascinating.
FWIW :-)
LiSA FOS: You mention 3d generation warfare.
Here’s the US Special Forces Manual on 4th Generation Warfare–
like they’re pursuing against Syria.
http://nsnbc.me/2012/02/15/us-military-logic-behind-syrian-insurgency-the-special-forces-uncon/
USA FLYING IN 4 planes cargo
NOW
Airspace has been close for “security concerns” and 4 USAF cargo planes are on the way to deliver cargo….. 2 unloading now and 2 more expected soon.
It is feared this may be lethal cargo or belong to “mercenaries” who are less subject to oversight by anyone.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/blogger-colonel-cassad-reason-for.html
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/dnepropetrovsk-air-space-shot-down.html
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meanwhile a full day ago a big convoy of DPR troops very well marked and deliberately filed with “To Mariupol” written on them…. went towards Mariupol and not been seen or heard since. They are planning something there, the public parade is a softening-up step to scare the enemy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GerM6YPd9KQ showing you enemy posting of video which is a DPR production.
ANONYMOUS @ 16:19 asks how does US control media, yahoo, etc to make everything so anti-Russian.
All the major media– TV, radio, periodical, newspaper & book publishers are companies which are part of larger consortia of Big Business. The managing editors are people who have been approved. There are only about 6 major media companies in US, each one owning many media. Minor newspapers tend to just copy the big ones since they must rely on AP & Reuters. Anyway the advertising which supports radio/TV/newspapers can be withdrawn if someone should choose to reveal too much of the truth.
US has something that has been dubbed “the media wurlitzer” which enables it to have most any article appear in most any media worldwide. I’m sure US/UK own much overseas media, too.
PressTV, which tells so much truth, has simply been banned in many countries.
US laws which prevented the Pentagon from using propaganda at home have long-since been overturned. Now it’s quite legal for Pentagon productions to be shown on TV and for the many CIA journalists to operate in US.
Perhaps someone else can supply a link to the story about the German journalist who explains how the CIA buys off his country’s journalists.
There is no law in the US against lying to its citizens.