Dear friends,
Our little experiment with unmoderated comments is coming to an end. Yes, this was fun, but this is slowly becoming tedious, and many are already yearning for Monday. I understand them.
Yesterday’s thread got almost as many comments as the initial one, and before the end of the day I expect the total number of comments will reach 1000 for the two threads (plus a few more in the thread below).
Typically, most of the comments were about me and how I had been replaced by somebody else and gone totally insane. Only a few comments addressed my question directly, and most of those made no logical sense anyway.
A major logical flaw of many commentators was the assumption that COVID-dissidents constituted a big, or even major, part of the readers of this blog. I understand why COVID-dissidents would make that claim, directly or by implication, but I want to reassure my readers – I assure you that this is not the case. When looking at why a specific subgroup is over-represented in a situation we always need to keep in mind that drive is a much more powerful factor than competence.
There is also an obvious solution: over the years of existence of this blog I witnessed a pattern which was repeated over and over again, here is how it goes:
- I write something which a person really likes
- That person then assumes that since I wrote “A”, I also believe in B, C and D. Example: I believe that JFK was killed by several people and that 9/11 was a controlled demolition. Therefore (?) I must also believe in the Great Replacement, COVID is a plandemic and Putin is a 33 degree Mason.
- When I fail to write what expected or, worse, when I write non-B, non-C and non-D our new reader is absolutely horrified (sincerely!) and suffers from a massive cognitive dissonance which results in a strong sense of betrayal, frustration and anger at me for my “crazy” behavior/ideas.
- That person than leaves the blog (with or without an angry “divorce letter”)
Those thus leaving are sure that now that they left the blog will collapse in a short time (I heard that prediction so many times that I now consider it as par for the course).
But from the blog’s point of view, this is really not a problem because since day 1 this blog was always aimed at mature, intelligent and well-educated people who are not hell-bent on preaching their certitudes to the planet. Here are the groups which have already left the blog in the past: racists of all types, Nazis, Jewish and White supremacists, pride-homos, Takfiris, Alt-Righters and Latins/Papists. The COVID-dissidents are next and this is a very good outcome for the blog.
Think about it – these folks rather assume that I was kidnapped or gone batshit crazy over admitting (even to themselves) that I simply am totally unconvinced by their arguments (which they have been mailing me for months!!!). Being the infantiles that they are, they believe that kidnapping/insanity is a more likely explanation than that their totally illogical arguments failed to convince me.
Not exactly my target audience…
Later today I will “lock” the comments on these three threads, but I won’t delete them as I consider them extremely interesting from a sociological (and even psychological) point of view: they are a telling monument of the levels fanaticism and intolerance exhibited by people who claim to defend alternative views but who, in reality, simply want to silence those who don’t agree with them. These are the type of people the Komsomol and the Hiterjugend like to recruit as they make for the best foot-soldiers for any totalitarian ideology.
But until this final locking of the threads, this third thread will also be unmoderated so, if you came late or still have some more stones in your me now is the time to hurl them!
Finally, as I have already mentioned too, I want to keep these threads up as a beautiful illustration of what an unmoderated comments section inevitably degenerates into when the trolls are given free rein.
That’s it on my end. I wish you all a great Sunday!
Kind regards
The Saker
To the Saker.
Today you remind me of a boar squirrel. I hope you understand the symbolism. If not natgeo can help.
Just want to put in my 2c as a COVID dissident, I try to bracket that over here and still find this blog very helpful
As if by providence I came across this interview with Franciscan hermit Alexis Bugnolo from Rome. I think this interview goes someway to answering the Sakers question, but doubt if he will accept Bugnolo’s point of view.
Bugnolo is an Italian-American with a degree in anthropology and besides being a monk, is also an historian, journalist and aspiring politician. He has shown great courage in resisting tyranny.
The interview is by the Polish writer Konrad Stachnio and they discuss many topics including: the geopolitical world order, the state of Russia, the state of Poland, the state of Italy, the masonic societies, the state of the catholic church, the idea that Russia might want to convert to catholicism (a strange idea), the purpose of the vaccine, what it means to be human and many other topics.
I think these “articles” with a free and only loosely moderated comment section show what a free comment section can be: more interesting, more informative and more insightful, and less infantile and less hateful than the article itself.
Normally I do not write in this tone but the article basically asked for it.
I prefer an unmoderated forum with the added feature of an ignore button. That way I’m the sole arbiter of what I can and cannot read. Hanging around waiting for a moderator to vet your comments slows down the conversation. Being able to see who is drawn to a particular forum is also useful information. Moderated forums also run the risk of becoming echo chambers, despite the best intentions of their authors.
Saker
Sometimes it feels like we are wasting our time being rational and civil to commenters who hold a set in stone view.There are some explanations for this condition amongst them a willingness to accept the voice of authority no matter what.
This is when one becomes a follower.Being a follower will inevitably lead to dissappointment and frustration when the leaders latest pronouncements do not match our expectations.
Of course we must continue to live and survive and continue to apply our own critical thinking to the issues of our times, issues that affect us all and there are many in this time of hybrid wars.
Hopefully some who have contributed may learn the fallacy of denial, others sadly, will continue on the same trajectory because simply faith and belief are close neighbours although not the same thing and when in a state of denial it is easy to confuse both faith and belief.
This is the condition that trolls and insulters find themselves in.
Thank you for the experiment/opportunity and God Bless.
Thanks to all who have contributed to these several blogs on covid. I’ve only had time to read one page, but I didn’t find that the majority, even those who did not agree with me, were impolite. Some were confused at Saker’s tone, as was I, but I don’t count that as disrespect. We all, and especially Christians, should pray for one another and my prayers are with Saker and family. I think the stresses we are all undergoing would encourage denial as far as human compassion is concerned – the enormous losses to the virus are hard to comprehend, and when it hits close to home that has the magnitude of a nuclear explosion in the tragic consequences.
I find so far the majority of posts are well meaning, and it is a tribute to those posting, plus also to the integrity of this site, that the human responses to these difficult days are pouring out here, one of the few places these consequential matters are able to be openly dealt with.
I trust you know we are grateful, Saker, that you have made this possible. And I intend to read every post and thank the posters, who are all, I believe, well meaning in their hearts of hearts. We will get through this, guys. Hold fast to the good.
Via this latest posts, The Saker was harvesting information, your addresses etc. He was doing similar before, collecting your posts to publish his ‘books’.
Azra, you have been banned a long time ago, I let you last one pass only because I promised to unmoderate the thread. But yes, even by the low standards of this thread, you are too stupid (and too driven) for me to let you speak again. You are rebanned, effective immediately :-)
Cheers
The Saker
PS: FYI – Everybody: “Azra” is a well-known long-time troll who posts, on average, 2-8 comments per day, none of them have passed moderation in years already, we banned Azra long ago, but he/she continues, either unaware that his/her comments don’t appear or crazy enough not to care. Azra also likes to use a lot of colorful language about what he/she suppose are my sexual inclinations and habits, clearly indicating his/her own frustrations in this matter. It is a good thing that I had a chance to describe to you the kind of things our poor (and heroic!) moderators have to put up with on a daily basis.
The Saker
He has crossed to another side since a while.
In order to save his ass in States. He will sell you all,
But I forgot to provide the link to the interview with brother Alexis Bugnolo.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/crtfI7AuCX2V/
The title of the video is just clickbait I think, as it is only a very minor part of the interview.
“Once Russia is converted to the Catholic Faith, the Great Reset will implode”
Happy Sunday.
I would say you should only limit conversation that is not backed up by some scientific evidence – actual peer review.
There is a lot of data that stands with those suspicious of the whole thing, and were you to discount it without considering it, well that would make you the takfiri, sadly.
40 cycle thresholds is what the NHS uses for its PCR test. It’s just https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsRNcxy0QhQ
Good idea, but it has a problem. Just like your freedom fighter can be my terrorist, your scientific evidence is my snake oil (and vice versa).
We live in a post truth society in which truth, or even reality, don’t matter very much, at least in Zone A.
Thus ANYBODY can write ANYTHING about ANYTHING and feel quite entitled to his/her “opinion”. But when challenged, they rage because they don’t see a challenge as a challenge to their arguments or logic, but a challenge to THEM, they take it as an insult.
And while I can keep a semblance of order in the topics I am an expert it (military) I cannot do that with topics I am a total ignoramus in: and that includes all of medicine and biology. As for the mods, they can only follow a set of (pretty blunt) rules and do their very best. This is why I don’t want this blog to discuss the medical aspects of COVID and just made this one-time experiment which provided me with ample reasons to continue on the path set before and never repeat this experiment.
Saker,
Thanks for this opportunity to post. I first saw this on Friday night as you were about to shut it down and was feeling a bit irritated that I would not be able to respond in any reasonable manner.
I am an engineer, mostly dealing with electrical/electronic and mechanical, but also had to learn a bit of chemistry to build (etch) components. When I was a kid I read every book about science I could get my hand on, so I have a pretty wide basic understanding in a lot of technical areas.
You are correct in your lack of trust in what is presented as scientific evidence (or “facts”). The peer revue system in scientific journals is pretty horrible now, but it has been bad for decades. The original problem was the “publish or perish” syndrome created by the academic tenure system, and also the way government grant for research are awarded. It is basically a “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours”, so any real critical of a paper or grant proposal will get you blacklisted and de-monetized, whereas simply accepting junk will keep you in good graces with the system. If you are competent and understand the area, you can pretty easily recognize most of the crap, but if you are a “total ignoramus” in an area, knowing what to believe will be pretty hopeless.
Because health is (or should be) one of the more important things in everyone’s life being a total ignoramus about medicine puts one in a very vulnerable position. I was pretty much in that position as well for most of my life. I got the first swine flu vaccine in the 1970’s (one of several “emergency” vaccines supposedly needed to prevent massive illnesses that never materialized) it withdrawn from use due to many adverse reactions. I had rather severe pain in my left shoulder (on and off) for about 10 years after that. Of course there is no way to prove my case was caused by the vaccine, but I believe it was.
The current state of medicine is a mixture of some fabulously effect surgical operations/skills that can patch up accident victims who would have been crippled of died without it, and a massive use of prescription medications that seen (to me) to be designed to keep the patient functional without curing anything, while maximizing the transfer of cash from the patient to the pharmaceutical companies. Cataracts would have left me essentially blind over 5 years ago. With the acrylic lenses replacing the ones I was born with, I can see now at 64 years old just about as good as ever. On the other hand, I was able to avoid medical intervention on a knee I injured over 4 years ago with collagen supplements and careful, gradual increases in applied stress. It only took about a month to give good improvement, and after a year it is almost as good as new (or at least as good as 60 years old, before I hurt it)
Regarding COVID and vaccines in general, there are some papers (peer reviewed, technical papers) questioning the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. There is a religious like doctrine stating that vaccines are safe and effective. If they are so effective, why are “anti-vaxxers” vilified as a threat to everyone else? I had been studying nutritional supplements for helping the immune system for several years prior to COVID, but having a lot going on I never got around to doing anything. When I first saw the videos coming out of China showing police welding doors shut to enforce lockdowns, I got off my butt and ordered a bunch of them. Vitamin D and zinc for viruses, collagen for my knee, magnesium and vitamin K for my heart/arteries. For probably the first 2 winters of my life, I had no respiratory illnesses. I guess I should sign off here as it is pretty long already. I have lots of information and studies I could provide if anybody is interested.
A global sociological experiment is a wonderful thing to behold . It reminds me of the Milgram experiments.
A genetic engineering experiment is boring, until the consequences are known.Then it may become very exciting.
Best wishes and good luck to all those who take part in the GE experiment . I look forward to the results , and thank you for your brave actions.
I am neither a dissident nor an anti-vaxer.
Per. Me, non è proprio una vera pandemia tipo lebra ecc ecc. Non dico. Che non esiste. E poi, io Non voglio certo vivere con una maschera x sempre. Se devo morire sono pronto. Già mi è capitato più di una volta
I just hope you are safe.
Well I for one appreciate the insights into the present geopolitical situation I get from reading the many articles offered on this site.
As for the Covid-19 vaccination, my wife and I were both vaccinated, did as soon as the opportunity presented itself. We both felt privileged and thankful. The rest of you can do what you want.
If you’re here it’s because one way or another you don’t like the globalist/neocon “elites” that govern the West.
So you disagree with them on geopolitics but immediately support their vaccines.
Doesn’t make much sense.
Okay, so where do you draw the line, Jose?
Do you not trust “their” weather reports? Asphalt? Software products you are actively using?
Really Saker because that’s not what I have been reading. You picked a fight lost badly and threw your toys out of the pram, was a hell of piece of self destruction, very entertaining
The biggest indicator of how you know it is not what it is marketed as:
Mainstream Media/Politicians all hail the number of Covid ‘cases’ they have found with their testing. The numbers were ‘staggering’ they wailed day after day.
Ok.
So that means millions upon millions have developed antibodies and immunity to Covid.
The next thing we heard was that there were not enough vaccines available as fast as we need!
Everybody do the safety Vax!
Let’s grant them the first and second points for argument’s sake.
If there were not enough vaccines, why was not a program implemented to give the Vax only to those who had not been exposed to Covid and already developed immunity – in order make the limited number of vaccines perform the most immunological good?
That would be a rational and scientific approach.
But that didn’t happen.
Instead the MSM & Fauci, et al Were hyperventilating EVERYONE MUST GET VAXXED!!!
That’s because it’s not about immunity it’s about getting that jab in your arm.
The fact that Saker can’t or won’t address even these most basic flaws of logic is indicative of something quite illogical.
When you take all of it into consideration:
Fauci’s “Don’t mask they are useless”
Followed by, “Of course everyone needs a mandatory face diaper!”
Followed by Fauci’s, “ Oh, I lied about not needing masks because there was a mask shortage and we needed masks for frontline health workers not you plebes!”
To Fauci’s “Covid came from Bat Soup at the Wuhan Wet Market, no chance it was engineered in the Wuhan Bio Lab! That’s crazy conspiracy talk!”
To Fauci’s “I never funded gain of function research at Wuhan BioLab!”
To Fauci’s “Of course I gave money to EcoHealth but they didn’t fund gain of function at Wuhan Lab!”
To the creator of PCR testing saying it SHOULD NEVER be used to prove vital infection because of the 90% or higher false positivity!
And on and on.
Now Saker is acting like this?
Three days running?
Castigating and demonizing people who merely point out or note all these connections and breaches of logic and scientific method?
Yeah, I may not know the entire set of objectives for this operation, but I feel certain it is multi-pronged and most certainly nefarious, anti-freedom and anti-human.
I started with Colonel Cassad, way back in the day. Then found Saker and read it every day.
Because it provided info that was not widely available.
But this?
Yeah, I can just tune in to CNN to hear what a nut job I am for questioning my betters and noticing the Emperors has no clothes.
Yes, these are challenging times, but they do provide superb opportunities for training our sense of truth and spiritual discernment.
Put the comments in a time capsule and let’s look at them in 5 years. I look forward to that!
In the end, I trust my God-given immune system more than anything the pharmaceutical industry can offer me.
Thanks dear Saker for the wonderful experiment. Delicious times we live in!
If it were only “we” who expressed certitudes.
I concur with your analysis Saker and see only confusion and distrust if truth is reduced to a drama reviewed through the lens of conspiracy theorists. Your open window is a breath of fresh air in a room where all the doors seem to be closing.
I was truly fascinated by the comments of these COVID-dissidents.you can learn a lot from them (not from their opinions obviously)
Keep up the good work dear Saker
Wish you luck from Iran
To the Saker
Once, I had a blind pitbull. Them squirrels used to sit on the back fence and taunt my dogs. They reveled in it. Finally they figured out the pitbull was blind. After that day, I felt sorry for the pitbull.
Enjoy your 4th.
i hear pitbull has a very excellent sense of smell
This one did, I called her hog dog.
I want to tell you the rest of the hog dog history. The dog used to do way worse to the hogs. Cause a game dog will find the hog blind or not. Hog killing is a bloody spectacule with the right dogs. Even so them squirrels were the only ones that ever stole that dogs food right out of her bowl while she was eating. The other dogs sure didn’t.
or to turn your cognitive dissonance steps around:
1 Saker states he believes 9/11 was controlled demoliton.
2 Find it very difficult to take seriously anything else he writes.
But I try to keep an open mind!
Hello Saker,
The biggest thing to come out of your ‘simple question for all COVID-dissidents and anti-vaxxers’ is that many people let their emotions override their reasoning when it comes to many controversial issues. This is a very good measurement of the state of our society, people of different opinions can no longer have a civil discussion about many issues of our times.
We used to live in a moral culture, but that ended many years ago. We now live in a culture of the self. Materialism and selfishness, along with a dash of narcissism, have taken over.
We have all been affected by this to some degree, including The Saker and myself.
The terms Zone A and B, are unfortunate, and I notice they are used a lot by Saker and no one else much.
Never mind, these threads have been the best thing since white sliced bread Saker, thanks a million, I’ll be off to eat my sandwiches now, good day Sir.
and you write that from which Zone exactly?
Ok. I think I’ll try to write something to at least inject some sanity into covid dissent.
1. It is healthy and natural to view the information space that we inhabit as being constituted an attack on our consciousness. Iraq, colonialism, Libya, Russia, economics etc are all routinely subjects of astonishing and intensifying levels of disinformation. Thus when the covid campaign is established, it would strike me as entirely predictable that people would view it with skepticism. The fact that the beneficiaries of this campaign are corporates and the state which receives tremendous new surveillance powers facilitated by technological advances only adds to this skepticism. The fact that the tests for this ailment are of doubtful and changing utility also doesn’t help. The fact that the lockdown has many impacts which can be argued exceed the disease is also inescapable.
Against this. Healthcare systems are being overwhelmed. A whole lot of countries are treating this as an emergency. People in the UK, which I am aware of are reporting horrendous outcomes. India and Brazil at least are demonstrating horror.
It gets more complicated States are using this for geopolitics. So the firewall between countries is clear. All discussion in the UK media assumes that the European corporations will appear on a white horse and save the benighted third world. Other countries have vaccines. Look at Venezuela. The US subordinates vaccines to sanctions and the Cubans fill the gap with Russian and Chinese support. Tanzania claims covid doesn’t exist and that inanimate objects are returning results indicating infection with covid. Sources indicate that one of th causes for the belorussian coup attempt was the refusal of Lukashenko to lockdown….
It’s not surprising that people are confused. I do not understand why in Switzerland I have to take an MRNA vaccine but that is all that is on offer. I feel like a guineau pig that wants to travel and have a beer but it looks like I’ll have to take out a lifetime subscription to a baleful corporation to be able to do that.
Even better the virus mutates. Just when it seems to be being addressed out pops a new more awful version.
I am not saying anything except this virus accelerates a centealisk go mojo which in the Anglo Saxon ‘democracies’ fills me with foreboding. When these scandal ridden corporates which control the state takeover our data, I just feel terrified for our children. Basically if you liked martial law you’ll love a corporate benefitting public health emergency which intertwined the corporation and the state for the ‘good of our health’.
Thank you Gideon Anthony. Your contribution encapsulates my own thoughts also. It is very confusing times, with so much distrust as to what all this is being used for, and to what degrees it is planned, or not. The level of distrust in leaders, authority figures, politicians, media, et al leads to this sad state of affairs.
I have read all comments to all 3 articles, and wish to respect all points of view as people struggle to understand the present situation.
This seems like a good argument: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-covid-aids?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29
I.e., humanity and its elites are bumbling through. Remember when they panicked around last March and the mainstream was like, ‘whelp, if we don’t want to die we might have to fullscale switch to some kind of socialism’… I wish I had saved the articles, it seems like a dream now. They quickly returned to form. Seems all kinds of things have been mishandled on the fly and vested interest had played some role. Every crisis is an opportunity, remains to be seen what the fallout is. I got Sputnik in Serbia even though I’m not fat and under 40, i.e. have nothing to fear, but thanks to it I’m now happily chilling on the seaside in Thessaloniki so I’m quite happy to have been pumped full of genetically modified adenoviruses.
Dear Saker,
your experiment reminded me of experiences I made many years ago, in a time we still used mailing lists: every
member received a copy of all the other comments.
Well, the topic was aromatherapy, the mailing list was located in the USA. I was very happy to be able to share experiences, information, books with others. The groups grew to more than thousand members, then the trouble started: there was no moderation and it attracted more and more people trying to make a point, screaming and
adding publicity for their own companies. I tried to help so we created FAQ’s, I helped to ban advertising by making a list of those who wished to be know with their businesses, to be downloaded, or better by automatic reply to a mail address I made available, to avoid advertising. But it did not worked: the multi level marketers came back, the screaming started all over. I saw many similar attitudes in this topic coming back (back to the future?). At that time I thought the screaming attitude was “typically American”, as the European contributors like me were more polite, but today, it’s as if the whole world just know how to scream.
You are right: you need moderation. And I do not necessary agree with everything I read, I helped create your French section in the past (remember the Charly Hebdo reaction how that went with some), but I love the quality of the discussions and to have direct insight from Auslander and others who make me understand so much more. Kind regards from the South of France.
Thanks my friend, and “bonjour et merci” to everybody at the French Saker blog!
Kind regards
Ok. I think I’ll try to write something to at least inject some sanity into covid dissent.
1. It is healthy and natural to view the information space that we inhabit as being constituted an attack on our consciousness. Iraq, colonialism, Libya, Russia, economics etc are all routinely subjects of astonishing and intensifying levels of disinformation. Thus when the covid campaign is established, it would strike me as entirely predictable that people would view it with skepticism. The fact that the beneficiaries of this campaign are corporates and the state which receives tremendous new surveillance powers facilitated by technological advances only adds to this skepticism. The fact that the tests for this ailment are of doubtful and changing utility also doesn’t help. The fact that the lockdown has many impacts which can be argued exceed the disease is also inescapable.
Against this. Healthcare systems are being overwhelmed. A whole lot of countries are treating this as an emergency. People in the UK, which I am aware of are reporting horrendous outcomes. India and Brazil at least are demonstrating horror.
It gets more complicated States are using this for geopolitics. So the firewall between countries is clear. All discussion in the UK media assumes that the European corporations will appear on a white horse and save the benighted third world. Other countries have vaccines. Look at Venezuela. The US subordinates vaccines to sanctions and the Cubans fill the gap with Russian and Chinese support. Tanzania claims covid doesn’t exist and that inanimate objects are returning results indicating infection with covid. Sources indicate that one of th causes for the belorussian coup attempt was the refusal of Lukashenko to lockdown….
It’s not surprising that people are confused. I do not understand why in Switzerland I have to take an MRNA vaccine but that is all that is on offer. I feel like a guineau pig that wants to travel and have a beer but it looks like I’ll have to take out a lifetime subscription to a baleful corporation to be able to do that.
Even better the virus mutates. Just when it seems to be being addressed out pops a new more awful version.
I am not saying anything except this virus accelerates a centralising mojo which in the Anglo Saxon ‘democracies’ fills me with foreboding. When these scandal ridden corporates which control the state takeover our data, I just feel terrified for our children. Basically if you liked martial law you’ll love a corporate benefitting public health emergency which intertwined the corporation and the state for the ‘good of our health’.
Prove me wrong that your moderators and you are not cowards and publish the comment. I dare you. Not that it matters to me so much, but it will change my impression of you for being at least honorable enough to publish your opposition. All of my 3 comments were censored the other day. So much for a “unmoderated” comment section.
There were some very well thought out comments, but you just chose to ignore them.
Again, some wordclass projection in this article.
You do exactly the same kind of “manufacturing of consent” as the evil, evil “Zionist-Anglos” you never miss to prominently moan about.
Your past 3 “answers” are full of logical holes, presumptuousness, cult-like tone and frankly vulgar towards your readers.
It seems like you build up a mighty, mighty straw men (argument), which you now choose to burn.
I really don’t care about much of what you say about your personal life(choices) and I do not think you are insane, quite the opposite – just as a flawed human as all of us. I will continue to frequent the blog as I do with the MSM. I’m perfectly capable to judge the information myself and do not need to follow any self appointed internet leader. Well, my respect for you took a major hit, but again, it’s ok, I’m not here for your drama. And, yes I do think you are a fraud in the capacity of being a 911 truther (ask Xi, Putin etc. and all relevant scientist if they think 911 was in inside job, I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t contradict the official narrative), while now disparaging all those who have very well grounded skepticism towards the ‘one true church’ of SARS-COVID-II.
I will limit my energy expenditure and will not write a comprehensive rebuttal (which has a good chance of not reaching the ‘blog’ light of day); many very upstanding and intelligent people already did this in the comments the other day.
I wish you and your family health and happiness. No hard feelings.
Have great weekend
Prove me wrong that your moderators and you are not cowards and publish the comment. I dare you.
LOL!! Which part of “unmoderated” do you not understand?
No wonder you don’t understand what I wrote :-)
Lol! Which part of “All of my 3 comments were censored the other day” don’t you understand? Really? This is gettin embarassing…
Man, I understand that you are not personally checking and dismissing all the comments. If you do not know that your moderators simply censored my comments in the first article of the ‘covid dissident’ series, then I simply cannot help you.
No wonder you are so flippant Saker XD
take care
I understand that you are not personally checking and dismissing all the comments.
If you do not know that your moderators simply censored my comments
Not true. All the mods do is place the putatively offending comment into the trash bin of WordPress. Then I go over every comment and decide whether I agree with the mod or not. Mostly I do. But here is the point: I know that no mods censored your previous comment simply because I never saw it in the WP trashbin.
Seeing your alias, I am not too surprised that you would be so blatantly (and ineffectively) lie.
Wow, this is f up. I have posted the comments period. Now, I cannot exclude a technical issue, all that I can say is that I saw the ‘in moderation’ banner.
About my name, this has been raised so many times, that I’m sick of it. I posted so many times on this blog and most times, it was in support of your work. Check the article about Biden and Putin’s meeting in Switzerland. I remarked that the article should be put in a “pantheon” of your best articles.
This is a sad state of affairs. I was thinking you made the right choice not to post on the covid issue. Then you did and You chose to pick the low hanging fruit and placate all sceptics as “covid dissidents” – assignining an arbitrary lowest common denominator in your eyes. Being smeared yourself, I thought you wouldn’t steep so low
3 material things in this world will never change; death, taxes and the Great Unwashed’s stupidity. The Powers that be depend on them.
Assalaamu alaykum w w. Dear Saker. I posted a vomment in the last tread but it said that it were to be moderated and then it did not show up…
I just want to ask you, dont you think that vaccines are unnatural?
And when the Messiah (pbuh) returns. Do you think he will allow himself to get vaccinated?
Thank you, and may God bless you all.
I just want to ask you, dont you think that vaccines are unnatural?
That depends on your definition of “natural”.
And when the Messiah (pbuh) returns. Do you think he will allow himself to get vaccinated?
This is not about what He will allow or not, but how creation will be re-transformed by His Second Coming. Sin brought suffering and death into the world, after the Last Judgement our nature will be restored to its full potential, at which point we will know no suffering, death or disease.
Wa aleykumusalam wa rahmatollahi wa barakatuh!
Assalaamu alaykum w w.
I mean that it is not natural to let a virus in the backdoor so to speak. The natural way that God created was to get the virus, let it pass trough the lines of defense of the immune system, let the body fight of the disease and produce antibody’s.
I am no academic. But I am very religious and for me the vaccines just seems unnatural. I have a strong feeling that i dont want to do take one.
I trust the president of Russia and I love him like a father. And I am sure that there is nothing satanic about the Russian vaccines.
But I feel that to take a vaccine (the Russian ones included) is a more unhealthy way to develop antibody’s than the natural way mentioned above.
And I can not believe that the Messiah (pbuh) would do anything as unnatural as get vaccinated. The idea is ridiculous. And if he would not do it. Why should we?
A completely different topic. I have been studying the religion of Abraham for about ten years (praise be to God) and I have come to the conclusion that your (the Orthodox) direction for prayer is the temple in Jerusalem and not the East.
Partly because the Bible says this on repeated occasions (Psalm 5 and Ezekiel 8 for example) and also because Hagia Sophia is built with the direction of prayer towards Jerusalem.
What do you think about this?
May God bless you all.
To those who believe that every event in this world is the consequence of the actions of a grand conspiracy of a handful of ultra-powerful, practically omnipotent and omniscient men working in “the shadows” and controlling all visible “decision makers” across countries, cultures, and systems, I offer a much simpler and much more likely explanation as a retort.
Namely, as the great Yugoslav/Serbian/Croatian (whatever you want – it really doesn’t matter) author, Ivo Andrić said:
“If people knew how little wisdom rules this world, they would die of fear.”
This is, quite often, the unifying principle of many complex world events.
Those that think a handful of globalists, probably a few thousand, are manipulating the world to best suit themselves, would not necessarily disagree with author Ivo Andrić.
The answer to your original question is very simple. Covid-19 is an opportunity for every nation-state and their embedded “medical industrial complex” partners to exercise control over their subjects in an apparently benign and caring way. It is another exercise in getting people to embrace the nanny state, which is why the playbook is so similar wherever you go.
It is also a test run for the next “crisis” whether a climate emergency, energy/food rationing or a regional war.
Zero Carbon ; Zero food ; Zero population.
Should be a lot of fun :-)
The fact that the saker buys the totally bogus Covid narrative disables him as a credible source of information. He is even censoring true dissidents, usually very well informed people. This is a bad joke. This fool -at best- is even taking taking the jab shot. If you ever gave him a dime you wasted your money. Fortunatelly I never did. Saker locked down from my feed news. For ever
You crazy bastid. You really ignored every argument made in 1500+ comments with snarky replies and argument-free replies.
You madman. Love you but try to stick to your forte in the future ;-)
I see that even in your third go at the subject, Andrei, you haven’t actually addressed the glaring anomalies in the official covid story, which the calmer voices in these threads have been putting to you. Lots of assertions that you have it right, and we’re all just silly, childish irrationals (!). But no actual sober consideration of the anomalies. Interesting, that.
I consider, Andrei, that you’ve made a serious blunder here, driven by a hot-button/blind-spot conviction (which ALL we fallible, imperfect creatures have, somewhere in our repertoire, about some cherished error). BUT…
You remain one of the impressive analysts on matters geopolitical, and I shan’t be flouncing off from your excellent blog. You *are* wrong about the covid scam, though. I hope that, eventually, when the dust has settled, and you’re feeling less exercised by it, you’ll be able to get round to entertaining that idea for some serious consideration. Your past record suggests you have the moral stature to be able to do that, and to admit it publicly. Good luck. And do keep your excellent analyses coming, please. One glaring screw-up doesn’t ruin a good record.
I have been reading here since the wretched Obama/Hillary/Kerry days and I have never read anything from the Saker this absolutely retarded
Obviously a computer algo or interloper
Later today I will “lock” the comments on these three threads
You promised earlier you would do it after the two threads, and I predicted you would not (that prediction got deleted).
Funny how the leader of Belarus wasn’t included in the list of those leaders who have bought the Scamdemic.
Sake may go back to writing his breathless accounts of impending nuclear holocaust in his WW3 fan fiction.
And moderating his comments lest some-one should have wrong think.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2021-06-08/coronavirus-strategy-forever-virus
Well done!
The resort to ad homenim, as many understand the classical rhetoric, is what speakers do when they have no argument in logic. It is an admission that the speaker agrees with his object of derision, but is unhappy about this…indication of mental condition, of cognitive dissonance. Sometimes even transient psychosis.
Better, smarter people inclined to ad hominem understand this principle, and keep silent. And think…
The speaker of ad homenim, thus, is seen as an actual endorsement of the subject he’s unhappy with.
Go figure. These people are terminal…
(FWIW I myself am very cautious about “vaccine” like whatevers… Think about it, “they” happily ruin entire nations with violence, used germwar on China and Korea in ’52 (and there’s no end date) , cheerfully bomb foreign countries, and couldn’t care less about homeless Americans and kids… All that and more, and we’re bombarded with “provax” propaganda like the most obnoxious used car huckster…and we’re supposed to believe this stuff? Believe that all of a sudden the junta givesadamn about “deplorables? This is obviously horsechit.
I’ll wait, and wash my hands, and all that. And maybe, in Time, my cautions soul will decide otherwise. I doubt it.
But withal, Saker did a best try, and everybody learned from it.
Thanks, old man!
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This will never be published, but since the beginning of this false Covid crisis, The Saker has outed himself.
He makes his living on the one premise that he defends one part of the world against the other, Russia against some stupidity he calls A world.
Now, that all of the world is being attacked, actually the end game was always against the ‘workers’, 90%, he has to stay with the lie he was propagating, or he loses the income.
You see, he harvests your comments to sell his books and make money.
I hope he has not harvested all of the 1000 comments of the well meaning people, to sell them to a deep state.
Because, he has sold out long ago.
”Here are the groups which have already left the blog in the past: racists of all types, Nazis, Jewish and White supremacists, pride-homos, Takfiris, Alt-Righters and Latins/Papists. The COVID-dissidents are next and this is a very good outcome for the blog.”
With all due respect, the blog still (occasionally) publishes blog posts authored by two not so discreet White racists/supremacists, but I can live with that as long as they are the exception and not the rule. Most articles are top notch material.
As for the COVID-dissidents, judging by the open threads during the weekend, they are extremely heterogenous in terms of articulation, writing ability, and depth. Some of them can produce some seriously good stuff while other commenters — usually the anonymice — are at or near the trolling level. The one thing I do find annoying is much similar to what sometimes materialises in discussions online about, for instance, 911 and MH-17: Unnecessary payload wasted upon low-level details with lots of speculation/opining about these details. This kind of discussion tends to obscure the more central, straightforward aspects of the topic. Depending on the participants’ egos, it could really deteriorate into an uninspiring and tiresome p•••ing contest.
I can’t say whether Covid is a hoax or not. What I don’t have the slightest doubt about is that the West’s vaccines amount to corporate greed and profit-driven junk that should be flat-out rejected. If vaccination is called for, there are alternatives which the resistance countries don’t hesitate to order promptly from Russia and China. The pandemic — or whatever it is — is clearly being used by the West’s ruling plutocracy to enforce restricted social rights. What should be welcomed is that the corrupt, sleazy, greedy, and grossly incompetent political class in the West brings itself and the ”democracies” that it pretends to rule into considerable disrepute everywhere else. They tried to implicate China — it backfired to say the very least.
With all due respect, the blog still (occasionally) publishes blog posts authored by two not so discreet White racists/supremacists
Which posts and which authors did you have in mind?
Hi Saker,
Thanks for the stimulating and interesting discussion.
The six leaders congruent position on COVID is not any of your suggested answers in my opinion.
All leaders are from Zone B and opposed to the Anglo-Zionist empire. Four countries actually produce
one or more vaccines. The other two are consumers.
The producers need to sell their vaccines and get a lot of money. The vaccine buyers are their dependent friends.
They cannot afford pissing against the wind.
All the country leaders are obliged to respect the International Health Regulations (IHRs), an instrument of international law,
that is legally binding on some 196 countries including some 194 WHO member states.
The WHO oversees the implementation of the IHRs. Unfortunately the WHO has been, in my mind, hijacked since some time ago.
The leaders are not necessarily honest and transparent but have to deal with a lousy situation and seem to be doing their
best under very trying circumstances.
Parting shot. I continue to be amazed at how most people can be blissfully unaware that we are in the midst of a restructuring of the global political economy, a pivotal juncture in history. It seems as if the elephant in the room is invisible.
Almost everyone who is observant knows something very significant is taking place. However, the government keeps us totally “in the dark” about everything and we have considerable difficulty trying to determine exactly what it is that is happening to the world. We only know that it is not good. Politicians are examples of “bad trees” and “bad trees” can not produce “good fruit”.
Dear Saker:
On July 3 at 12:53 pm I responded directly to your question with your suggested four possible answers. While none of your four suggested answers applied to me and there was no fifth option, “None of the above”, I modified answer number one somewhat to best indicate my viewpoint on the matter. I can understand that, with so many comments, you may not have read my comment.
In having a discussion with people on the COVID issue, I realize that it is hard to have a rational discussion on the issue. Before I can finish offering my evidence on the issue some say loudly “conspiracy theory” which, of course, ends any possibility of a rational discussion. If one disagrees with my evidence, I would ask them to provide the evidence that refutes the evidence I have offered.
If I am labelled a “COVID dissident”, that’s OK by me. To assume I am like any other “COVID dissident” and that means I have an irrational approach to the matter is not a logical or rational conclusion. If a wrong path is taken in science, how is the issue to be corrected if no rational dissent is allowed? As an individual, I want freedom from the tyranny of the majority on any issue.
Saker,
I may have missed your definition(s) of a “Covid dissident”.
Without that everything is moot.
Exactly.
Perhaps somebody who is not in favor of Covid?!
Too many people (in these comments) inhabitants of the city bubbles totally removed from reality and common sense. I would advise them to go to the fields, countryside, mountains, etc. for about three months, without any electronic means, books or magazines and doing the tasks typical of the field. I assure you that, in addition to sleeping much better, your views on many things will change …
as I consider them extremely interesting from a sociological (and even psychological) point of view: they are a telling monument of the levels fanaticism and intolerance exhibited by people who claim to defend alternative views but who, in reality, simply want to silence those who don’t agree with them. These are the type of people the Komsomol and the Hiterjugend like to recruit as they make for the best foot-soldiers for any totalitarian ideology.
Honestly, i have read most of the comments, and there was not a single one that was as fanatical and intolerant as this one is.
I rest my case.
What a troll. I hope the Sputnik check cleared you filthy hack. Let’s base medical decisions on a popularity contest for corrupt politicians? You can tell you got bought out. These readers don’t pay the bills. Zerofakes sold out years ago. Magnier followed suit in 2020. Looks like they cut you a check as soon as Putin said he was pro forced experimental gene therapy on a global scale. You don’t have an opinion. You have interests. Financial ones. And now that you’ve self exposed, you’re getting testy and trolly. Hope it was worth it. How does it feel knowing you fcuked off 90% of your readers for a check cashed? Voltaire is not far behind I’m sure. There are still some hold outs. You’re no longer one of the. Won’t link to your site ever again. Hope your kids don’t get injected. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. Clearly you’re ” different “.
“Looks like they cut you a check as soon as Putin said he was pro forced experimental gene therapy on a global scale.”
Where did VVP say that? The Russian vaccines are based on a DNA approach that’s been around for decades and is well understood. They are not some cyka mRNA cocktail with unpredictable outcomes. Show me a report of Sputnik outcomes that are anything close to the horror show being perpetrated by in the West by Big Pharma and their media and political satraps. Facts, or idi nahui.
That was ebear talking. Sorry about the anonymous. I forgot to fill out the fields, blyat.
Damn, I did it again! LOL.
Dear Saker,
You threw a lump of mud in the lake and provoked a torrent of well formulated, sensible, worthy replies which may be the true intent of your experience. I never saw such a huge collection of excellent contributions against that lump before: thank you!
“Typically, most of the comments were about me and how I had been replaced by somebody else and gone totally insane. Only a few comments addressed my question directly, and most of those made no logical sense anyway.”
I read the comments and came to a different conclusion. While there were the usual ad-hominems that are par for the course on open forums (see Zero Hedge) there was also a fair amount of informed opinion backed by credible evidence, such as the efficacy of alternatives to the vaccines, as well as the glaringly obvious suppression of same by parties with clear conflicts of interest.
We’re over a year into the pandemic now, and the medical, social and political consequences become clearer with each passing day, as do the number of dissenting voices with substantial evidence to support their views. Bear in mind, those promoting a singular view of the pandemic are the same agents promoting the Russiagate and Orange Man Bad narratives. So, why should we trust them on the pandemic when they clearly can’t be trusted elsewhere?
The first rule of analysis is ‘consider the source” followed by “cui bono.” It should be obvious by now that there are serious vested interests behind whatever is happening here, just as virtually none of the major media sources can be trusted to report accurately on what’s really happening.
One thing is clear, however. Regardless of the source of the virus, or its alleged lethality, the response on a global scale is completely unprecedented in the history of medicine. That, in and of itself, should be a major cause for alarm. Far more damage to humanity is being done by the response to the virus than anything the virus could achieve on its own.
Amen.
From what I gather, this discussion has turned into religious dissent. By “religious”, I mean that the discussion is based on dogma. I reject dogmas and I also reject this polarizing thinking, of boxing every opinion against vaccines or certain vaccines as anti-vaxer. This is absurd.
In my case, I studied what everyone that knew anything on the matter, medicine journals like lancet, the salk institute, etc. and microbiologists, specialists on vaccines, virologists and all the specialist on actual science.
Then I believed I had enough facts and information for a prudent decision.
The debate is biased, and most opinion makers don’t have a clue of what they are talking about.
Are vaccines good? Yes, most are.
Is what Pfizer and everything based on the Oxford protocol is a vaccine? No, they are not vaccine. They are something new, claiming to be a vaccine which interfere with our immunodeficiency system with unknown long term effect.
Regarding China, I would like to bring a point that is rarely discussed, anywhere.
China controlled the spread of this virus in a short period of time (about 6 months) without using vaccines, they used mostly traditional Chinese medicine, with great success. This, at a time that the world knew almost nothing about the virus in question. China is also the country, that was the first to publish the whole virus schematic for every researcher to enjoy.
And last, to add to the cacophony of around the world of disinformation, the big Pharma giant entered the fray with a vast array of lies and half-lies.
This brings us to the current situation.
In my case i decided against vaccines, why?
1) Because I’m convinced that anything made on the Oxford protocol is defective and hurts my immunosystem.
God, the creator or whoever created our bodies, gave us the greatest gift ever and that is our immunosystem. I don’t accept charlatans to play with it or modify it.
Vaccines are not that, their purpose is to teach our immunosystem to identify a new prey. What we have from big pharma is what we call a god-mode, which is taking control of our immunosystem by forcing our body to manufacture a protein for accomplishing a specific goal. When that protein brakes down, we have the blood clots situation and that killed many peoples already.
2) In America, there is no real covid vaccine. Maybe China and Russia have one, but there is none here.
Peoples should think, inform themselves and not be blinded by big names, that know nothing of what they say or worst, could be corrupted or make money on what they push.
Therefore, I will not give my body to charlatans, for them to count me as a Guinea pigs as another statistic.
I will be prudent, perform the basic protections and precautions to prevent getting the virus and rely on my immunosystem to do the fight if necessary.
This subject was necessary to discuss and thanks to the Saker, to host it.
The way SAKER has framed the issue does not allow of any intelligent conversation.
✦ The hendiadys Covid dissident/anti-vaxxer makes no sense: unconnected issues ✦
➤ What is an anti-vaxxer?
— Some of the most cogent warnings about the new Covid vaccines (which are not vaccines, since no introduction of attenuated/inactivated pathogen takes place) come from people who are very pro vaccination and have spent their professional life developing them.
— Many who have doubts about compulsory vaccination of the already sero-converted have never had a anti-vaccination thought in their life previously.
➤ And what is a Covid dissident?
— Objecting to the fact that measures contrary to law and the constitution have been enacted in many jurisdictions?
— Wondering why such drastic action has taken place without any cost/benefit analysis presented?
— Wondering what this extraordinary upsurge of cancelling, silencing, and censoring heretofore renowned and conventional doctors and scientists is all about?
— Wondering why all public authority is in the thrall of measures heretofore unknown in public hygiene, such as quarantining the healthy, lock-downs (heretofore a measure employed in prisons when the convicts suddenly realize they outnumber the guards), face-masks (despite decades of authoritative contrary science), locking the border with adjacent countries (with the exact same prevalence numbers), etc.?
✦ Lumping everybody with questions into some vast polymorphic conspiracy-theory is a dishonest and disingenuous way of framing the issue. ✦
Saker, with all respect and reciprocal self-respect.
“So here is my question. There are four logical explanations of this for COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers”…
At least four logical explanations!
I my case I live in the hellish hemisphere that still only offers pain killers for treatment of mild symptomatic cases and ventilators for serious cases.
In this otherworld it is deemed competent to authorize experimental vaccines for emergency use, and at the same time deemed incompetent to authorize HCQ and Ivermectin for experimental treatment of symptomatic cases.
The dichotomy is therefore not about vaccine/anti-vaxx but about physicians treating the sick or not.
Can anybody be blamed for completely disregarding the opinion of health services refusing to even attempt to treat the sick?
This is one.
Vaccination is voluntary. Habeas Corpus.
Who can blame anybody when inaction and inarticulate boycott is his right?
This is two.
In Soviet times it should have been impossible for Christianity to hibernate in Russia (as Nazism hibernated in Ukraine).
Maybe, the anti-vaxxers should not allow themselves to be called out in discourse when it is the time for passive resistance.
And maybe it is unfair of their best potential friends, with other logical explanations, to call them out.
Qui bono?
With all respect and reciprocal self-respect.
Hi Saker,
It’s been entertaining…
“Here are the groups which have already left the blog in the past: racists of all types, Nazis, Jewish and White supremacists, pride-homos, Takfiris, Alt-Righters and Latins/Papists. The COVID-dissidents are next and this is a very good outcome for the blog.”
Did you have to deal with any flat earthers by any chance? It’s another hilarious modern religion, as fanatical as wokeism.
One once, but my flat-earther was very nice and willing to discuss his theory on its merits.
We are still very good friends though :-)
No, I can’t badmouth the flat-earthers, not if compared to the rabid COVID-dissidents for sure.
YYMV of course.
Cheers
The Saker
Don’t run when you lose a rational response.
I am en expat living in the USA, I got vaxxed with Moderna, an mRNA type vaccine.
No side effects, since I am a cancer survivor gone through all sorts of procedures, thought that one more could not possibly harm me and it did not, I developed antibodies for Covid-19.
So that’s it, my $.02. I am not sympathetic with the USA in general, least of all cancel culture, LGBTQ+, Juneteenth and all the rest, so I am just stating facts.
The Saker has been a good salesman, how was he/she to make money from his/her efforts…advertising? Google has that sewn up?
He has hit on a great sales pitch, sell to the ideologues in Washington a platform to try and regain the control they have lost through their greed and lies.
The Saker became your agony aunt, your sounding board for all your anger and theories, when the price was right the out slipped on hand from the Saker puppet and in slipped American intelligence.
You are now been played, the Saker is trying to regain you brains.
Saker
I have read your blog for a long time for exposure to a Russian point of view where Russia is involved. On the whole I do value your opinion with respect to Russia far more than any US opinion. I certainly think too that the US has fallen on hard times and welcome the passing of the “Anglo-Zionist” empire. You provide much illumination on what otherwise would be dark.
Still, on the matter of Covid I think you are wrong. Covid is an exercise in political theatre which has been used to destroy economies through bogus forms of medical intervention and to assert unwarranted political authority. All of this is very dangerous but the disease itself is not nearly dangerous enough to warrant the response it has received.
In addition there is now a collection of experimental vaccines which appear to be more dangerous than the disease itself and which are hysterically pushed upon all who will listen. There are those who would demand they be made mandatory.
Only time will tell the truth of it all. I expect that Covid itself will fall into the background while the vaccines will only grow more controversial. Vaccine injuries will increasingly be reported and suppressed as the spike protein in these vaccines works havoc on the immune systems of the receivers. I fully expect the governments pushing these injectables to say, first, it is not happening and, second, how could we have known. In any case the severity of the disease justified the risks.
I don’t buy it; perhaps you will. I remain convinced that Covid is a relatively minor disease but the response to it demonstrates a political corruption so massive and widespread as to defy belief. One, such as yourself, who does not doubt the malevolence of the Anglo-Zionist empire should have little trouble grasping the point.
If the disease itself is artificial, deliberately released or not, the fact would only embellish my basic point.
It is true that at present I cannot argue as to why the several leaders you have mentioned support Covid as a dangerous disease meriting vaccination. Perhaps they all listened to WHO and the CDC. Two organizations which are at the center of the plandemic argument and definitely subject to the machinations of the malevolent Anglo-Zionist empire. You should consider their decisions in detail.
Best Wishes
To the Saker:
“A major logical flaw of many commentators was the assumption that COVID-dissidents constituted a big, or even major, part of the readers of this blog … I assure you that this is not the case.”
How can you factually know that ?
By interacting with a lot of my readers directly
The Saker
I appreciate the opportunity to exchange differing views on this topic in a measured and civilized way.
Indeed,
it’s disturbing that Fauci, WEF and Putin seem to be in the same vaccination-boat as else they are not, as the Saker pointed out. I do understand a lot of medicine and by all measures this so-called vaccination program is reckless as least but most likely part of a murky agenda in dimensions unseen of. Just one point: the spike protein that the transfected cells are made to produce isn’t just an antigen to be presented to the immune system but highly biological active as a toxin, and it’s distributed in the whole body.
One unique property of these mRNA vaccines, also vector vaccines is it is extremely complex to check on the real content, unlike in regular vaccines. Sputnik V in Russia mustn’t contain the same like the export version. Curiously adverse effects seem not to be distributed evenly on a national or world wide scale.
Also, as far as I know, China is not vaccinating it’s own people with gene therapeutic substances creating spike proteins, but with conventional vaccines, if at all.
So, on the one hand there seem to be collusion between these antagonist powers, but on the other hand I’m not sure if this isn’t just pretence. And why should China or Russia feel responsible or intervene if the western elites are up for something vicious in regard of their own population?
fake virus… we’re supposed to believe that 3.4 million people have died from this supposed virus which hasn’t even been isolated yet?! this would be laughable if it weren’t so tragic… this is the smoking gun for anyone whose head isn’t in the sand…
fake pcr tests… not fit for purpose… and can render a positive response for our rulers whenever politically expedient to do so… why is it the cases pop up here in Australia whenever a states emergency status is just about to expire?
people are dying in the same numbers as usual and in the same manners… excepting a likely spike in thrombosis-related deaths from 5G radiation poisoning and from the vaxxines…
alt-types should focus on the fact that this supposed virus doesn’t even exist… and not get dragged into discussions about its supposed origin…