The Saker: Please introduce yourself and your past and present political activities.
Karganovic: My name is Stephen Karganovic. My background is Serbian, Russian, and Polish. On my father’s side I have been able to trace family roots to the town of Khmelita, Smolensk district. In the first half of the 19th century Yuri Karganovich held the by then probably obsolete office of стольник (stolnik) in the regional town of Iskorosten. Perhaps because of my ethnically ecumenical background, I prefer to identify myself simply as an Orthodox Christian. I am a law school graduate, also with a degree in philosophy. I have never engaged in political activities as such. What interests me are issues with a moral dimension, and if they also happen to impinge upon politics, so be it.
The Saker: You are one of the best “Srebrenica specialists” out there. So, could you please in your own words describe, step by step, what actually took place in Srebrenica from the moment the Bosnian-Muslims raided the Serbian villages around Srebrenica to the moment the grand “genocide” strategic psy-op was launched.
Karganovic: I became interested in what happened in Srebrenica in July of 1995, during the Bosnian war, when in 2001 at the Hague I became involved in the defense of a Bosnian Serb officer accused of war crimes before the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. I was in America, of course, while the war was going on and knew nothing of Srebrenica at that time. Neither did I have any axe to grind in the controversies that sparked that conflict. I was raised and educated in the United States, had a very vague concept of my ethnic background(s), and neither I nor my family had suffered any detriment at the hands of the other contending parties, so I had no motive to favor one side or disfavor another. As we sifted through the evidence in order to construct a defense, I noticed that the prosecution’s case consisted of broad allegations and was bereft of specific facts to support the grave charges laid against the defendant, which included genocide, an accusation that takes much highly technical evidence to prove. As I witnessed firsthand the unconventional legal procedures of the Hague Tribunal, which is a polite way of saying its complete alienation from the traditions of civilized jurisprudence, I became shocked. There did not seem to be much substance to the charge sheets. The remark once made by a hubristic US judge that “we can convict a ham sandwich,” which sounded flippant to me when I read it many years ago, ultimately received its full embodiment in the operation of the Hague Tribunal, and I had a ring-side seat to watch that professionally unedifying show.
I went on to work in several other defense teams at the Hague in cases that were not related to Srebrenica. But to make the long story short, I quickly realized that Srebrenica was the mainstay of the Hague Tribunal, or ICTY, and that officially confirming the “genocide” and “8,000 men and boys” version of the narrative was its principal mission. I was bothered to see defendants convicted to decades-long imprisonment on the most heinous of charges and flimsiest proof, and a nation tarred with the most serious crime under international law, based on improvised and fabricated “evidence” that would not stand up in any non-political domestic court. So, I began to pay special attention to Srebrenica and to use the resources available to me at the Hague Tribunal to collect all the data I could lay my hands on about what happened there.
In 2008 at the Hague, under the laws of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, I founded a non-government organization “Srebrenica Historical Project,” dedicated to a contextual, multi-disciplinary study of this issue. Our goal is to get to the bottom of what happened, and how and why. Our colleagues, whose research articles you can read on our website, are of diverse ethnic backgrounds and professional profiles. Almost none are Serbian. They have in common a critical approach and a desire to factually deconstruct what the late Prof. Edward Herman aptly called “the greatest triumph of propaganda at the close of the twentieth century.” He was referring to Srebrenica, of course.
Instead of my presenting a possibly subjective account of what happened in Srebrenica, I recommend visiting our website. Our many authors give, I think, persuasive and factual answers to most Srebrenica questions.
The Saker: What has the impact of Srebrenica been on the Serbian people and the Serbian state? Who has benefited most from this?
Karganovic: Srebrenica’s impact has been to bewilder the Serbian people, who are under the firm impression that they are victims, not perpetrators, of genocide. After bewilderment came indignant rejection of the Srebrenica smear. Western governments and the Soros organization have invested huge sums in Serbia into propping up a bevy of phony “NGOs” with the principal task of indoctrinating the public in the Srebrenica genocide guilt complex. Their efforts have been a dismal failure, notwithstanding the country’s demoralized state and the covert support of Serbia’s quisling governments. The goal, of course, is to further morally break down and emasculate the Serbian nation, to lay on them a paralyzing guilt trip and to render them submissive and obedient, apologizing and atoning forever for acts of moral turpitude that, unlike the Germans, they did not commit. So far, that particular “use of Srebrenica,” as Diana Johnstone would put it, has been a resounding flop.
But another, and very lethal, use of Srebrenica has been a huge success. The Srebrenica narrative is the foundation stone and chief rationale of the “right to protect” (R2P) doctrine of cynical, predatory imperialist interventions that have destroyed and devastated a dozen mostly Muslim countries and claimed several million innocent Muslim lives. R2P’s phony rationale is the supposed failure in July of 1995 of Western countries and NATO to act robustly to prevent the “Srebrenica genocide.” Srebrenica as a metaphor for unbridled imperialist aggression has indeed been a slaughterhouse for Muslims, but not in Bosnia in 1995.
The Saker: Can you outline what is currently happening in Serbia? We hear of a possible conflict with the US-backed Kosovo Albanians, of a possible EU and/or NATO membership? What is really taking place?
Karganovic: In response to your question about what is happening in Serbia (I am in America right now) I will quote from an email that I received today from a friend who teaches at a university abroad but is currently on holiday in Serbia: “There are heavy rains and floods here – Belgrade has been flooded twice – with torrents sweeping away cars as if they were mere toys. There is general chaos in the entire country, and everything is falling apart. But the gang in charge are celebrating themselves as saints and saviors, and there seems to be nothing of greater importance to Serbs than to put on the shackles of the European Union!”
That is admittedly a pessimistic assessment, but I believe it to be close to the truth. Slavic nations generally are not politically sophisticated and can easily be fooled and manipulated by savvy conmen. The Ukraine is a notorious example. Serbs are not far behind; they have the political acumen of seven-year-olds. I read somewhere that young Germans nowadays watch Hitler’s histrionics and wonder how their parents and grandparents could have been so simpleminded as to put their faith in that buffoon and accept his leadership. Future generations of Serbs will undoubtedly be reviewing the performance of the loathsome character who is running their country into the ground today and will wonder how their parents and grandparents could possibly have tolerated his obnoxious misrule.
As for the news of conflict with US-backed Albanians in Kosovo, on the part of the quisling regime there is neither the will nor the means to enter into such a confrontation. The regime was installed in order arrange for Serbia’s legal renunciation of Kosovo and its capos are well aware that reneging on that commitment will have for them most unpleasant consequences. As for actually opposing anything, Serbia no longer has an army worthy of the name, hence no means with which to effectively assert or defend its interests. It is at the mercy of foreign imperialists and their bought and blackmailed local agents. NATO membership seems definitely on the horizon because incorporation in today’s Axis is an essential component of the planned Ostfront war, as much today as it was in 1941.
The Saker: What about Montenegro? Has the Empire been successful in breaking off Montenegro from Serbia and is what is happening nowadays with Montenegro similar to what the Empire did in the Ukraine? I hear that an “independent Montenegrin Orthodox Church” is being prepared, is that true? How toxic/important is this development (assuming it is true)?
Karganovic: The only reason that Montenegro is not labeled “Europe’s last dictatorship,” but Byelorussia is, is that unlike Lukashenko its blackmailed dictator Djukanovic is a servile Western lapdog. With many criminal indictments in Italy waiting to be activated against him at the slightest hint of disobedience, for drug, cigarette, and human trafficking, he has no choice but to be one.
The similarities between the “nation-building” procedures in the Ukraine and Montenegro are striking. What this refers to is the artificial insemination of the target population with a phony, completely fabricated identity entirely at odds with their genuine history and culture, all to their detriment and in the service of their geopolitical manipulators’ and enemies’ agenda. We already know the Ukrainian story and need not repeat it here. The Montenegrin story is precisely analogous. Since subservient local chieftains receive memos telling them what they are expected to do, one may safely assume that in one of those memos delivered to Djukanovic he was instructed to initiate the setting up of a non-Serbian Montenegrin identity in order to fragment and undermine Serbian ethnic and cultural space even further. He obeyed.
The result today are regime-sponsored and condoned anti-Serbian excesses that closely compete with those of the Ukrainian looneys and often boggle the imagination. A recent example is an Instagram message by a certain Mirna Nikcevic, a counselor at the Montenegrin embassy in Ankara, where she wrote contemptuously of the crowd of Montenegrin Serbs that gathered around the cathedral of Christ the Savior in Podgorica to protest the regime’s plan to take over the temples of the canonical Orthodox church and hand them over to a schismatic pseudo church it had set up, that she would “cram the assembled cattle [meaning Montenegrins asserting their Serbian heritage – S. K.] into the church and set it on fire.” That most undiplomatic remark was mildly reproved by Djukanovic’s foreign ministry, but it accurately reflects the dementia of his partisans.
An “independent” Montenegrin church, as a fitting complement to the country’s statehood and alleged ethnic specificity, was in fact created a few years ago in a way that even the Ukrainian lunatics, who serve as the model for Djukanovic and his crew, would have difficulty topping. This “church” founded by atheists (which is what former Communist youth leader Djukanovic admittedly is) was set up as an NGO and registered as such in a Montenegrin police station. Recognizing the autocephaly of the Ukrainian pseudo-church was a piece of cake for the corrupt ecumenical patriarch in Constantinople compared to his forthcoming task of legitimizing the Montenegrin sect. He will have to figure out how to do it when he gets the memo from NATO that this is the next thing that is expected of him. (It is true that the ecumenical Patriarch informed Djukanovic a few days ago that Montenegro never had an autocephalous church and never will have one. But the fickleness of the Patriarchate is legendary. With a little pressure here, and some financial inducement there, the latter having worked miracles in the Ukrainian affair, a canonical rationale for a flip flop can surely be found.) Toxic is one word for the phenomenon of using Orthodox church institutions for the self-destruction of Orthodoxy. Ominous is another word for it and, as sheikh Imran Hosein would say, it is a reliable sign of akhir al-zamaan.
The Saker: Who won the Yugoslav civil war, if anybody? Here forget about Slovenia – please focus on Croatia and Bosnia.
Karganovic: The war was won, in a manner of speaking, by the globalist power centers which engineered the dissolution of the former Yugoslavia. They got what they wanted, feeble and dependent statelets run by their hired hands instead of a unified country with weight in world affairs, which at home did not even perform badly. The losers were all the citizens of the former Yugoslavia without exception, not only those who perished in senseless mayhem instigated by foreign agents and executed by domestic fools, but also the miserable survivors who must now live in the resulting neo-liberal hellholes.
The Saker: Are there any Serbs left in the former UN Protected Areas in what is Croatia nowadays and, if yes, how do they live?
Karganovic: Yes, there is a very small number of Serbs left in present-day Croatia, their share in the total population hovering around the 3% mark, drastically down from a quarter of the population before the slaughter in the Nazi-satellite “Independent State of Croatia” during World War II. They are mostly elderly, waiting to die hopefully natural deaths, if permitted by their Croatian fellow citizens.
The Saker: Are there any Serbs left in the Muslim-controlled areas of Bosnia today?
Karganovic: Yes, they are a whopping and largely disenfranchised 5% of the population of that section of the country. For purposes of comparison, in the capital of Sarajevo, where before the outbreak of the hostilities in 1992 there were about 150,000 Serbs, there are now only a few thousand left.
The Saker: How much autonomy does the Republika Srpska have today? Focus on this: are the Serbs in Bosnia safe or at they at risk?
Karganovic: The Republika Srpska, which is the Serb-run entity within Bosnia and Hercegovina under the Dayton Agreement signed to end the war in 1995, is continually struggling to preserve the autonomy guaranteed to it under international law. Above the local authorities, there is a “High Representative” of the “international community” who is really the official in charge in Bosnia and Herzegovina. He has arrogated to himself vast arbitrary powers to interpret laws, set up institutions, and dismiss democratically elected officials he deems unsuitable. It is a replication of the British colonial system. The Srebrenica genocide matter is being used as a pretext to dispute Republika Srpska’s legal and moral right to exist. No one is entirely safe in present-day Bosnia and Hercegovina.
The Saker: How do you see the future of Kosovo in general and of the Serbian minority in Kosovo specifically?
Karganovic: Until the results of NATO aggression in 1999 are annulled Kosovo will have no future, except as a narco and human organ trafficking pseudo state. Albanians are fleeing en masse the utterly incompetent and corrupt terror regime that was installed by NATO occupiers twenty years ago. The land is saturated with the depleted uranium munitions left over from the three-month NATO bombing campaign and is scarcely fit for human habitation. If you go to Kosovo, I would recommend you make your visit brief and bring your own canned food, avoiding contaminated local ingredients. Babies and animals are being born with hideous defects. Few people are aware of this, but Kosovo was targeted with the highest concentration of depleted uranium and other toxic substances during NATO’s 1999 “liberation war.” Being the majority of the population, Albanians are now paying a heavy price for NATO’s generous favors. Meanwhile, since Kosovo is a pot of gold in terms of its mineral and other resources, the chief liberators Wesley Clark and Madeleine Albright have made a financial killing by awarding themselves juicy business opportunities, while the “philanthropist” George Soros has his eye set on the enormously valuable Trepča mining complex. International corporations will get their choice pickings. Meanwhile, Albanians are dying of cancer and desperately moving out. There is a small remnant of Serbs still living in Kosovo which is spiritually and culturally their Holy Land. The future of that scene of ghastly crimes against humanity is in God’s hands.
The Saker: How many Serbs were displaced in total by the war and where do they reside nowadays?
Karganovic: Estimates are not reliable, but about a quarter of a million are thought to have been displaced from Croatia and as many from Kosovo. A further unknown number sought in Serbia safety from the war in Bosnia. We cannot be sure of the numbers, but we do have striking pictures which portray an exodus of biblical proportions.
The Saker: Are the Serbian refugees from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo a major factor in Serbian politics? If yes, how, if not, why?
Karganovic: They are not a factor at all. They are not allowed to interfere with the policies pursued by the Western-installed Serbian political elite.
The Saker: Do you think that the US and/or NATO have the stomach to use force against Serbia if the Serbs move to protect the Serbian minority in Kosovo?
Karganovic: It is a moot question because the hypothetical situation envisaged by the question is unlikely to occur.
The Saker: What happened to Bishop Artemie and why did the Serbian Orthodox Church yield to the Empire’s pressure and took away his diocese of Kosovo? How is he now and how can the readers find out more about him?
Karganovic: In essence, the American ambassador in Belgrade told the Serbian Patriarch that Bishop Artemie was an obstacle to “normalization” in Kosovo and that it was highly desirable for him to be removed. Within four days, Bishop Artemie was dismissed on trumped-up financial malfeasance charges which after a decade have not been proved in a court of law. His ouster seems to have been a blessing in disguise. He is now leading a thriving “diocese in exile,” where he is joined by most of his Kosovo clergy and monastics. Catacomb parishes, as he aptly calls them, of the exiled diocese are springing up all over Serbia and countries with a Serbian diaspora. The diocese that was contemptuously cast away by the servile, ecumenist leadership of the Serbian Church has now become its salt, providing much needed spiritual nourishment to Orthodox believers. It is living proof of God’s ability to confound the adversary’s most carefully laid plans and to transform them for the good.
The Saker: What should Russia do to help Serbia? What is, in your opinion, the “solution” to the Serbian drama in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo?
Karganovic: That is an overtly political question and as I said, I don’t do politics. I will just say that what Russia can and should do is to never abandon Serbia. That will at the same time be the solution to the drama that you mention. But none of that will be purely the work of human hands.
The NATO war on Yugoslavia in 1999 bombed out of me the last of my being in identity with US exceptionalism and its lies. It was then that I learned the America that I believed in during Cold War v1 never existed.
In 1999 my head was filled with the words of Diana Johnstone and others that exposed the nest of vipers in NATO. I marched in San Francisco with Justin Raimondo (may he rest in peace) and others from the Antiwar.com, CounterPunch, and Chronicles alliance against the bombing of Yugoslavia.
It was then that I learned my dim hope that an alliance of left and right against the warmongers had a slight chance to curb US foreign interventionism. That hope rose again when a Tea Party march met an Occupy demonstration in Dallas. Many there on both sides realized how much they were in agreement. But I have learned another lesson: US elites are very proficient in using the two party system to keep us at each others throats. They coordinate their dirty work. The US antiwar movement is now hardly on life support.
He died on the eve of Vidovdan. I am so sad.. Btw, Saker, I discovered you through antiwar. I listened to Pepe Escobar on the Scott Horton show and started reading him on Asia times. That’s where I first saw an article by the Vineyard Saker. What are we supposed to do when all those who guide us die? Who will be left to give us light?
Great article by Stephen Karaganovic. He is so right about so many things. We heard the rumours about the terrible birth defects in Kosovo I will comment more when I am feeling better..Thanks for everything that you do. Everything you write.
The Empire also bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade by “accident”. Dozens were reported killed because many Chinese, families of Chinese diplomats, were sheltering there although China admitted only 3 journalists killed.
Good and informative interview, thanks, although I think it is an error to leave earthy issues only to the will of God.
I was too young to get interested, and even be aware, of the war on Yugoslavia, but as I am getting aware of this and other events related to recent, and not so, European history and Imperial wars, I was missing a question and its correspondent anwer on the real nature of this war, as the birth of the First Islamic Caliphate of the WOT.
I am referring to these events of which nobody talks, not even people who usually touches this topic of the Yugoslavian War, like The Saker.
Found in this Twitter thread( translated ):
More about the issue:
https://twitter.com/EnemiesOFSerbs/status/1143114061116321794
Another interesting thread:
SkY NEWS video documentary reveals uncomfortable truth concerning Bosnia as the first ISIS and Islamic Caliphate in Europe. See the whole documentary at below link ⬇️
https://bit.ly/2IZ4oMe
https://twitter.com/KosMet_1244/status/1142761241108262913
The video by Sky News has been removed from Youtube, but you can still view it at this link, where the reporters conclude that a remaining force of “mujahedeen”, now nationalized Bosnian, have remained insie Bosnia for future use in the European continent:
https://twitter.com/Bodljikava/status/1142897878035292161
“That is admittedly a pessimistic assessment, but I believe it to be close to the truth. Slavic nations generally are not politically sophisticated and can easily be fooled and manipulated by savvy conmen. The Ukraine is a notorious example. Serbs are not far behind; they have the political acumen of seven-year-olds. I read somewhere that young Germans nowadays watch Hitler’s histrionics and wonder how their parents and grandparents could have been so simple minded as to put their faith in that buffoon and accept his leadership. Future generations of Serbs will undoubtedly be reviewing the performance of the loathsome character who is running their country into the ground today and will wonder how their parents and grandparents could possibly have tolerated his obnoxious misrule.”
This is The Most TRUTHFUL Part Of Interview,(no caps please its like screaming and breaks rules. Mod.) and it stands for all Balkan nations in general
This is not just unique to the Balkans…my country of Pakistan also suffers from this…just look at the commentary of the ‘pundits’ on Imran Khan’s visit to the USA and White House.
Thank you both Saker and Stephen Karganovic for this indepth, illuminating interview on the tragic situation in Serbia and Kosovo. Yet another example of the sheer immorality and depraved nature of the Anglo Zionist Empire, and of course later, the destruction of Iraq followed on from the blitzkrieg on Serbia. Madeleine Albright must be quite pleased with the financial killing she is making. I wonder if she loses any sleep at the hundreds of thousands of children killed as a direct result of the actions of the ‘international rules based order’. What evil resides in the West. Anything to smash an independent nation and its people. And here in Australia, the vile former Foreign Minister Gareth Evans was an architect of the R2P fraud, which is just more blood soaked Imperialism dressed up in sheep’s clothing.
Gareth Gareth-Evans is, in my opinion, the epitome of the vile proto-Blairite Hawke/Keating regime. Labor produces more rats than a gravid Mama Rattus rattus.
Mulga: and later on the vermin slime got a plush job as Chancellor of ANU. $$$$. Wonder how many East Timorese remember his treachery? These are the sort of rats pushing R2P on countries like Serbia, Libya, Iraq, etc. Oddly, they’re very quiet on doing the R2P insert into Yemen. Odd that.
The only honest application of the Responsibility to Protect doctrine I can think of was Russia’s rescue of Crimea from the clutches of Ukronazi death-squads.
It has to be said that there are other Orthodox nations in Europe and in the Balkans in particular like Romania, Bulgaria and Greece. None of this nations has big problems with the West except Serbia which is the only one openly professing brotherhood with Russia. It is this pro-Russian stance that Serbian people have been paying such a terrible price for. On the other hand not only that Russia do not reciprocate but it openly undermines and even militarily and politically supports Serbian enemies as it did during Civil War in Yugoslavia. As a matter of fact Russia somewhat came back after the coup in Ukraine when it realized that it was only Serbia that refused to introduce anti Russian sanctions. However the lesson has been learned by many Serbs. Fragmentation of the Serbian people is continuing unabated. So far the Croats, Macedonians, Bosnjaks, Montenegrins, Kosovars have been created out of Serbian nation and the process will stop only when no Serbs will be left. The only possible salvation for the Serbian nation is to follow examples of other Orthodox nations in the Balkans. If Serbs stick with unwilling and unreliable Russian “brother” they will become non-existent in less than 100 years.
http://www.pollitecon.com/html/ebooks/From-Sanskrit-to-Macedonskrit.pdf
You make the claim that Macedonian identity is derived from Serbian. This shows you know little about the Macedonian language and if you are truly interested in this subject then visit the link and study the e-Book, “From Sanskrit to Macedonskrit”.
Along with a comprehensive glossary comparing Macedonian with Sanskrit which reveals the common basis of both through thousands of words almost unchanged in today’s modern Macedonian, there is a facsimile from the Webster Dictionary ( edition 1967-1969 ) where the principle branches and sub-groups of Indo-European languages can be seen. For political reasons and due to the creation of the modern nations, Macedonic languages as of the 19th and 20th century were subdivided into: Macedonian, Slovene, Serbo-Croatian, Bulgarian, Czech, Slovak, Polish, Kashubian, Wendish, Sorabian, Polabian, Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian. The table in the facsimile was then ( after 1969 ) for political reasons, removed and under ‘Definition of Macedonic’ remains only Macedonian.
Reknowned Slavist, Vatroslav Jagić who was interested in the language of the “Old Slavs” ( “Staroslavenski jezik”, ie; Old Church Slavonic ), after years of research and study concluded and proved that it did not originate in the central plains of Pannonia, as most experts claimed, but in southern ( Aegean ) Macedonia.
The mere fact that modern Macedonian is literally unchanged in 15 centuries confirms it’s ancient roots, and the geographical location of the Macedonians throughout geographic territory of MKD, prove that the Macedonians are autochthonous population to the region.
This and many more examples confirm an antithesis to your claim – that Macedonian ( I can’t speak for others I don’t know ) – derived from Serbian identity – does not make sense except as nationalist Serbian idea. In fact the disintegration of Macedonia today and the assimilation of Macedonians throughout the centuries into the neighbouring peoples through occupation, ie; Serbs, Bulgarians, Albanians, and Greek points in the other direction, that there was once many more Macedonians but through the “arrows and slings of outrageous fortune” ended up as other nationalities, ie; forcibly became either Serbs, Bulgars, Greeks, Albs. Torbesh etc. This includes the example of my maternal grandfather born in 1903 in Bitolsko, MKD whose family was told in 1913 by Serb occupiers to become a living Serb which his family chose over the alternative ( to be a dead Macedonian ). So despite historic similarities Macedonians are distinct people different to neighbouring Serbs.
If this comment is directed to me, it misses the mark completely. If Dimitar rereads my interview he will notice that Macedonia and the Macedonian language are not mentioned in it at all. Nor is there any speculation about the origin of that language. I am not a professional linguist and I would not make a fool of myself by advancing theories on subjects that I am not competent in. If Dimitar perceives all Slavic languages as derived from Macedonian or Macedonic, I am happy for him. Why not include English as well? I will refrain from linguistic comments but will offer a political assessment, if I may. When facing existential threats we should be making friends, not rejecting them and turning them into enemies. My guess is that the Albanians will remain singularly unimpressed by Dimitar’s linguistic derivations of Macedonian from Sanskrit while continuing to relentlessly push for the destruction of Dimitar’s country. So if I were Dimitar, I would focus on the main issue — survival, and I would leave linguistic issues to scholars.
Sanskrit: The classical Aryan language of ancient India, systematized by scholars. With the exception of a few ancient translations probably from Pali versions, most of the original texts in Buddhism used in China were Sanskrit.
So why isn’t pre-Yugoslavia predominantly Buddhist? If true that their language evolved from Buddhist teacher-travelers who brought sanskrit all over Asia?, even SE-Asian country’s that had no written language of their own adopted it
I travel the world, in SE-ASIA you can see sanskrit everywhere, but where is sanskrit in say Yugoslavia? ( When I last traveled there it was still called such )
The only symbol I can think of is Hitler’s “Swastika” (Sanskrit svastika) , which is the symbol of “Rest in Peace” seen in cemetery’s everywhere in ASIA, and welcoming door-ways in India.
Then there is Russia, not to be blamed here, but clearly the only country fighting to maintain their ethnic majority, all the while ((they)) in Tel-Aviv keep the Goy killing each other in Yugoslavia.
It’s clear now, with the refugee crisis in Europe, that destroying Yugoslavia was a first step for destroying Europe. Same happening in USA, funny how ((they)) want to destroy homogeneous cultures.
Lastly, why don’t we just say that all Macedonian languages evolved from Hebrew?? Since it evolved from ancient China, which mixed with Sanskrit. Then we can say that the Chosen also are entitled to Yugoslavia, as well as the Ukraine.
Dear Saker,
I live in Serbia and I don’t fully agree with Mr. Karganovic about current situation in Serbia.
My opinion is that Serbian government plays very complex game with the Western powers. Major problem is a very weak Russian support. We don’t have Russian troops in our country even though we are surrounded by NATO forces. The government is trying to avoid any conflict (for now) with Albanians in Kosovo because there are always traps for us and Americans are behind them.
‘The Saker: What should Russia do to help Serbia? What is, in your opinion, the “solution” to the Serbian drama in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo?’
My question (for The Saker): Is there a real possibility (or the will) of Russian state/government to help Serbia? US/NATO/The Empire supported Albanians, Croats and Muslims against us. They bombed us. They fought against us. Can Russia support Serbia in the same way?
With best regards,
Milos
Serbia, through Gastrans (Gazprom property), received last month as a first delivery 7000 tons of tubes to connect its gas network with Hungary, as part of the South stream project.
I do not think Russia will really let down Serbia.
Hi Molos,
Your question is somewhat multi layered. As it has been indicated in the past Russia is in war with the West. At the moment this war is 80% informational, 15% economic and 5% kinetic. The only reason Russia has won the information war is because it provided the complete contrast to what the West propaganda and political establishment stands for. This means telling the truth and sticking to the international law. How this has reflected in Russia’s stands on being involved in internal affairs of other country has been best illustrated in Syrian conflict. Russia was the only outside power that was legally present in Syria because elected Syrian government has officially invited it. So for Russia to get involved in Serbia’s internal affairs it has to be also officially invited by Serbian government. Serbian government will not do that as it is staffed with low life traitors (with few exceptions) which are owned by the West. These people are actively involved in committing probably the biggest betrayal in the history of Serbian people and that is recognizing Kosovo as independent state. This step is crucial as without it there is no independent Kosovo. The West knows it and that is why there is constant pressure on all those that occupied the government since 2000.
My heart bleeds for my orthodox Serb brothers and sisters in the former Yugoslavia.a people who have suffered for so long first at the hands of the ottomans and lately at the hands of the zionists.i can only prey that God have mercy on them and there suffering ends.
Dear Mohammad ali sattar,
Thank you kind sir, for that heartfelt and beautiful comment. We should be brothers and sisters in peace.
May God Bless you and your family.
I live in Belgrade and I see things differently. Time is working in our favour. This is far from over, and I am going to point to a migratory trend which the West and NATO with all of their power, money, and influence can do absolutely nothing about. In fact, their power, money, and influence is only precipitating it.
Basically, Croatia has fallen below 4 million people. Albania has fallen below 3 million people. Bosnia must also be below 3 million in total by now, of which about 1.2 million are Serbs. Kosovo doesn’t even have a million people as we speak. Don’t compare them to Ukraine. Compare them to the Baltic statelets, where there is a substantial disenfranchised Russian population, and the Baltic population is shrinking so quickly due to migration that soon enough (10-20 years from now) Russians will most likely no longer be a minority.
Our former Yugoslav “brothers” can win all the wars they want with Western air support, but they can’t run their own countries and “countries”, so they are leaving them en masse, as Mr. Karganovic says.
I don’t know if Mr. Karganovic is aware of the epic numbers of Croats leaving Croatia – especially Slavonija, the part between the Serbian border and Zagreb (which is actually the territorially largest part of Croatia).
It has become so bad that Croatian companies are going to Kosovo and bringing Albanians over to Croatia to work for them, because there are virtually no Croats there to do any jobs anymore. They love each other (not really, but they both hate us with a passion), and they understand each other (most Albanians in Kosovo speak Serbian), so let them have each other.
Croats are immigrating mostly to Germany – for obvious historical reasons – and Ireland – because it is a strongly Catholic country where English is spoken.
Of course, Serbs are leaving as well, but not at the same rate in terms of total numbers or in percentage terms. Also, there is simply more of us than Croats, Bosniaks, and Albanians in Kosovo put together, and our ties to the land are stronger (that is why there are small minorities of Serbs living in Croatia and in Kosovo who face danger every day – but Croatians and Albanians who live in Serbia have all of their ethnic minority rights protected and are in no danger whatsoever).
When enough of them leave their countries and “countries”, things are going to change.
There was a great article on Sputnik talking about the number of individual cell phone numbers in Kosovo, and how judging by the most recent election turnout in Kosovo and by the number of individual cell phone numbers and taking into consideration the European, Balkan, and Albanian average of cell phone numbers per capita – there can’t be more than 800 thousand people in Kosovo in total, and of that, about 150 thousand are Serbs. That is why I believe that a comparison of Kosovo with a country such as Estonia or Latvia is not too far out of place in terms of the non-Orthodox Christian population shrinking faster than the Orthodox Christian population.
There is a reason why the EU requires tourist visas for citizens of Kosovo and is loath to remove that requirement. If the EU were to remove the tourist visa requirement, within a year or two so many Albanians would leave for the rich EU countries that Serbs might easily become 50% or even more of the population of Kosovo.
Another “advantage” that we in the Balkans have over the Western European countries is that the vast majority of migrants from the Middle East don’t want to stay in Serbia, or even in Bosnia for that matter. We are so poor and so completely immune to white guilt for historical reasons, that there is nothing for them here. A certain loathsome character whom Mr. Karganovic mentioned can’t even afford welfare for his own people, much less for foreign refugees.
Also, I don’t think that anyone in Serbia really wants to join the EU anymore. We all see that the EU’s days are numbered.
The people are way past the point of being tired of false promises, and the corrupt “elites” are afraid of any kind of actual rule of law because under rule of law they wouldn’t be able to keep getting richer the way they are now.
The politicians know very well that if Serbia were to join the EU, they will have outlived their usefulness, and they will be replaced. Hopefully without bloodletting – but still, I don’t know what our current loathsome character will do when the day comes that he loses power. I don’t know how, or if, he will be able to handle it.
Even the Western-sponsored NGOs just want the EU money to keep coming, and if Serbia were to join the EU, then much of that money would dry up because there would be no need to convince us to join the EU anymore, and we already have all of the requisite NGOs for all of the non EU-related propaganda that is prevalent all over the West (you know what I’m talking about).
So it is in the interest of our politicians, of our corrupt “elites”, and of our Western-sponsored NGOs not to take us into the EU – which I personally don’t want either, thank you very much – but instead to keep us “in the process of entering the EU” as long as possible, even though the EU is falling apart as we speak.
Things are changing. Russia has already done a lot for us Serbs by vetoing that Srebrenica resolution at the UN, and by getting involved in Syria and showing the West that they can’t have their cake and eat it too. Not anymore.
More to the point, thanks to Russia’s growing international clout – I don’t think that there will be any more Western bombing of Serbia. Hopefully, ever again. Thank God for Russia and for Vladimir Putin, as well as for China and for Xi Jinping.
And one more thing. It doesn’t matter that things are falling apart in Serbia right now. Unlike the Ukraine, we are a small country – if the West would ever leave us be, and if some semblance of the rule of law were to ever get restored here, it wouldn’t take too much Chinese and/or Russian investment to get us into pretty good shape.
With that being said, Russians have already built hundreds of kilometers of railroad tracks here, and the Chinese have already been building bridges over the Danube. Russians have invested heavily in our state oil and gas company, and the Chinese have purchased our largest copper and gold mine, as well as our largest steel mill, both in eastern Serbia.
They wouldn’t be doing that if they were expecting any more wars or bombing here.
Many thanks for your very informative comment. I learned a lot from it.
Mr. Karganovic’s observations about condition of Serbian nation and prognostics for the future are both spot on.
Concerning Russia’s influence on Serbian people and politics, I must admit that it is marginal and symbolic. The real question is why is that so? In just one hundred years Russia was Christian Monarchy, leftist dictatorship, willing servant of western enemies ready to self destruct just to be recognized as western-type society and look-alike western democracy. The nation that has real identity can not go through such changes in just one hundred years. Does that nation has identity at all? It’s impossible to be all these things in just one hundred years and have national identity. In order to have influence on others one must have identity. Of these four different identities, only the first one looks like real identity. Last three are improvised identities invented in a hurry. As a Serb, I must know who am I dealing with before I consider him as ally. When Russians decide who they are and become able to project that identity on international level I shall reconsider them as leaders. Until then, no matter how repugnant Anglo-Zionist identity is, at least we know who our enemy is and we must respect it’s power.
It seems to me that Russians are not able to understand what identity is and why it is important. First lesson to learn is that identity is always identity of elite. Mass of people is always just that – biomass. Mass does not have identity. Russian biomass is absolutely the same as English biomass or African biomass. Only elite is able to project coherent ideology that serve the purpose of laying identity foundations. Elite takes time to form. Centuries. When Russians destroyed their monarchy they lost the elite. No matter how much injustice there was in that monarchy, it’s worse not to have real elite because in case of war the enemy who has the elite is at distinct advantage. Are Russians able to understand these simple facts? What purpose has the knowledge to build the atomic bomb if Russians can not understand simple facts of life? Both mass and elite are necessary. One is worthless without the other. Without the dynamics of mass and elite, humans are just another animal. Identity is absolutely essential for self preservation and survival. Without it efficient defense is impossible.
Siege of Belgrade (1456) – Noon Bell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Belgrade_(1456)
“…apologizing and atoning forever for acts of moral turpitude that, unlike the Germans, they did not commit.” – If you are posting cut-and-dried assertions about the guilt of “Germans” for purveying extermination policies, perhaps you can dig in and provide the evidence proving the case. IMO, the Holocaust Religion has gotten a little long in the tooth.
“In response to your question about what is happening in Serbia (I am in America right now) I will quote from an email that I received today from a friend who teaches at a university abroad but is currently on holiday in Serbia: “There are heavy rains and floods here – Belgrade has been flooded twice – with torrents sweeping away cars as if they were mere toys.”
The Lord will cause people to hear his majestic voice and will make them see his arm coming down with raging anger and consuming fire, with cloudburst, thunderstorm and hail. (Isaiah 30:30)
Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. Therefore, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. {Ezekiel 13:11-13}
“God’s voice thunders in marvelous ways; he does great things beyond our understanding… He brings the clouds to punish people, or to water his earth and show his love.” (Job 37:5–13)
“When he thunders, the waters in the heavens roar; he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth. He sends lightning with the rain and brings out the wind from his storehouses.” (Jeremiah 51:16)
“The Lord will cause people to hear his majestic voice and will make them see his arm coming down with raging anger and consuming fire, with cloudburst, thunderstorm and hail.” (Isaiah 30:30)
“See, the Lord has one who is powerful and strong. Like a hailstorm and a destructive wind, like a driving rain and a flooding downpour, he will throw it forcefully to the ground… “I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the plumb line; hail will sweep away your refuge, the lie, and water will overflow your hiding place.” (Isaiah 28:2, 17)
“I struck all the work of your hands with blight, mildew and hail, yet you did not return to me,’ declares the Lord.” (Haggai 2:17)
“The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its people and their animals, even if these three men—Noah, Daniel and Job—were in it, they could save only themselves by their righteousness, declares the Sovereign Lord.” (Ezekiel 14:12–14)
“See, the storm of the Lord will burst out in wrath, a whirlwind swirling down on the heads of the wicked. The anger of the Lord will not turn back until he fully accomplishes the purposes of his heart. In days to come you will fully understand it clearly.” (Jeremiah 23:19–20)
In days to come you will understand it clearly????????????????
Lets hope and pray this happens in that place yes?