by Captain Fifteen
I’m appalled at just how crude, self-righteous, and horribly one-sided our mainstream reporting is. What baffles me even more is that the majority of the people I’ve spoken to on the Western side of the Iron Curtain don’t notice it and shudder when I mention the word “propaganda” when referring to it. It seems to be such a Pavlovian response that every time I see the reaction, the electrolytes scene from the movie Idiocracy immediately comes to mind (https://www.youtube.com/
Living in Ukraine in the 90s, I started learning English by listening to The BBC and The Voice of America on my parents’ 70s-era short-wave VEF 201. The war in Yugoslavia was raging at the time. Even though I was very young and highly apolitical, I was exposed to the news on a daily basis through the BBC and VOA’s programming, and as I learned to understand spoken English, I was taken aback by the rather crude and highly biased reporting on that very complex conflict, where both the BBC and the VOA, instead of impartial reporting, had the primitive cast of the bad guys (the Serbs), the poor victims (the Bosnians and the Croats), and the good guys (Western Europe and the omnipresent United States of course). As Serb-bashing was gaining popularity and tortured Sarajevo and demonized Milosevic were becoming the main buzzwords for the war, nobody seemed to care about the tragedy of hundreds of thousands of Serbs forced out of their homes and off their land by the Croatian military – it just didn’t fall into the framework built by the Western propaganda. A few years later, during a blatant NATO-led aggression against Serbia, neither The BBC nor The Voice of America seemed to care about the tragedy of regular Serbs and their civilian infrastructure being destroyed; instead it was about the bad guys (the Serbs) getting what they supposedly deserved from the good guys (NATO).
Fast-forward to a different time (2015) and a different place (Eastern Ukraine). You have another bloody conflict in Europe with the same roles: the good guys (Western Europe and the omnipresent United States), the victims (Ukraine with its “Western aspirations”), and the bad guys (the “Russia-backed” separatists and Russia in general). As Russia-bashing has gained popularity and “Russian aggression” and demonized Putin have become the main buzzwords for the war, the media has been deliberately diverting attention away from the complexity of this bloody and highly destructive war and from the tragedy of the people caught up in it. Instead, the media is shamelessly pawning off the false narrative of a number of Western governments – governments whose irresponsible behavior led to this war in the first place. This time, there is no Sarajevo: the cities of Donetsk, Gorlovka, and Lugansk apparently don’t qualify for the role, despite them and a whole number of other rebel-controlled cities and towns having suffered much heavier damage from Ukrainian shelling than Sarajevo; these cities happen to be on the “wrong” side, and it just again doesn’t fall into the framework built by Western propaganda.
Pretty much all (sic.) the buildings in the Gorlovka neighborhood I grew up in have suffered some sort of shelling damage (ranging from direct hits to shrapnel damage and broken windows), and destruction can be seen in every single part (from downtown to the outskirts) of the city, where more than 300 thousand people once lived. Despite the so-called ceasefire, the Ukrainian military stationed in nearby Mayorsk and Dzerzhinsk shells the city very frequently and at random, though mostly at night. Occasionally, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s (OSCE) vehicles do appear from the Ukrainian-controlled territory, OSCE observers come out to inspect some of the damage, ask a few questions (https://www.youtube.com/
Where does the American and European media stand on this? Nowhere. Other than on occasion and in the context of Ukraine’s “response” to “Russia-backed separatists escalating the conflict”, they just don’t report on the ongoing indiscriminate shelling of residential areas of rebel-controlled cities – not since the ceasefire (of course, how could a US- and Europe-backed Ukrainian regime kill innocent civilians, right?). The US Department of State (as well as tame American and Western European media) stated that the fighting in Maryinka in early June was the result of “the Russian separatist forces” (Ms. Harf made sure to reiterate this several times) launching coordinated attacks against Ukrainian positions (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/
I have reached out many times to human rights organizations and mainstream American and British newspapers and magazines about Western media bias, under-reporting of civilian casualties and suffering, and consistent distortion of what’s going on in Eastern Ukraine. I have never (sic.) received a response other than a number of out-of-office replies and two automated and impersonal messages in the form of “Thank you. Your message will reach the appropriate person.” (Apparently, that appropriate person didn’t care – or was not allowed – to respond, because I never got a reply even on my follow-up attempts.) So I found some phone numbers and started calling the biggest regional newspaper in the area where I live. After I was able to get through to one person and tell her that the city I was originally from was being shelled consistently and inquired why the plight of civilians was getting so little attention, she replied – in a rather irate sort of way – that she had nothing to do with international coverage and gave me another number to call. I called that number, left a message, and received no response, so I went to the newspaper’s headquarters hoping to be able to speak to someone in person. The security guard didn’t let me in of course (what was I thinking?!) and told me to use the phone in the lobby to try to get through to someone in the newsroom. I was lucky to get someone’s attention this time, but when I asked him if there could be someone who could come down to the lobby or if I could come up, since I was right there in the lobby, he replied: “Things aren’t done like this here. You’d need to make an appointment.” “How do I do that?” I inquired. “Call me later in the day,” he said. After leaving three messages over the course of the next two days, I got a phone call back from the guy to be informed that the newspaper believes it is adequately covering the events in Ukraine and that they only rely on trustworthy sources. I said I’d be willing to accompany any of their correspondents, translate for them as well as provide room, board, and transportation – all free of charge, if anyone would be willing to travel to Eastern Ukraine with me and cover what they see there in an impartial manner. “We can’t send someone into a war zone just like that,” the guy responded. He also said their staff was limited, reiterated that they use “only reliable sources”, and hung up. I emailed the newspaper one more time, extending the list of contacts and asking them if they were not allowed to truthfully report on the subject. I received no response.
Meanwhile, the infrastructure of the region I grew up in was getting destroyed and innocent people were getting killed, and practically none of that was seeping through. I shared my frustration with a friend who held a non-journalistic position in a well-known progressive American magazine. With the best intentions in mind, he said he might be able to help and introduced me (through email) to an editor there. I contacted the editor and received no response. I asked my friend for an update. He prodded them, but there was still no response. I asked my friend again. He said they were discussing on how to proceed with the topic and that they would get back to me in a couple of days. After two more weeks of silence, I contacted the editor again, asking them if they were still interested in talking to me or if the subject was a taboo and people were afraid to write about the issue. The response I got was that what was going on in Ukraine did not fit their beat for the near future so they would be unable to meaningfully engage with me.
A couple of months ago, I ran into two young reporters covering a local protest. I started talking to them and asked them why our newspapers have such limited and distorted coverage of the war in Eastern Ukraine. “I’m sorry, I don’t know much about the conflict,” one of them said, adding that he would love to know more but that his focus was local news. We talked a bit more, and one of them said: “You know, we can’t just publish what we want. We have the interests of our audience to cater to…and then there’s the editorial board.” “So you have censorship?” I asked. “No, but we have the editorial board.”
I’ve contacted many more media sources and received no response. I’m still yet to meet a professional journalist in this country who will openly admit to me that they are being censored or are engaged in self-censorship. You can use whatever euphemism you want (editorial board or first amendment rights), but it does not detract from the fact that the mainstream American media (just like mainstream Canadian and British media) are highly censored tools of indoctrination rather than sources of information. I know it’s hard to make Americans or Brits care about what’s going on in Ukraine, even though their governments are very much implicated in those events. It’s hard for them to even imagine that their “democracies” bring oppression, suffering, and destruction elsewhere. The media is an integral part of all this, it being one huge indoctrination machine that only serves the right version (the one with electrolytes). However, this is no longer just about Ukraine. It is also about the truly messed up state of things in your own country, and there is simply no excuse not to care about that.
Captain Fifteen blogs at http://captainfifteen.blogspot.com/
Sad but true, “the media is…one huge indoctrination machine”.
Schooling “is…one huge indoctrination machine”.
Hollywood Movies are, “one huge indoctrination machine”.
Reality must be really frightening to these fools to spend so much effort to remain vitally unconscious.
Great Read ‘Cap’ : “thanks for organizing your world into print: it’s nice to read the musings of kind souls”.
Yes, newspapers have Assignment Editors, who choose which reporter covers which story, and what the angle or attitude of the story will be. The Assignment Editor gets the newspaper’s stancec on the issues of the day from the Editorial Board, who lunch daily with politicians, ambassadors, and spooks, and that’s where they get their marching orders.
Just study the Cold War demonization of the USSR for it is now what the West has reverted to being. Listen to the voice of Western elites demonizing the Other for their words tell us what they themselves are doing or plan to do. Since 1990 they have unleashed immense rivers of blood, the murder of millions. Until the US is defeated or exhausted many more millions will perish. We should not be surprised that the western media that they own will not do the bidding of the bloodthirsty western elites.
I made a typing error in my posting that at its end should read “We should not be surprised that the western media that they own will do the bidding of the bloodthirsty western elites”.
But as Hillary and Kerry has pointed out the times they are a changing in which they are desperate to regain the loosing information war . With only 6% of separation and our ability to cross post to differing networks the desire for more truth will prevail . “They” after all are on the loosing side and will continue to slide off the cliff of lies ….peace
It has been almost one year and half that we live behind “the iron curtain” in canada, us, eu
Please have hope, Canada! Harper will not live forever.
Jim of olym south of you.
Those in the media who choose not to report on verboten subjects, because “it doesn’t suit their audience” or their editorial boards, are GUILTY. This amounts to willful blindness on their part, and is especially egregious because it amounts to censorship by omission, which supports the official narratives that have become blatant propaganda.
Its all about money, about funding, That is all that seems to matter these days. As long as you have money, that is all that matters, not where or how you got it, only that you have it.
As Paul Craig Roberts has written, all the leaders are bought with dufflebags full of cash. The pressitutes report what they are told to report. Their readers have been progressively dumbed-down in an educational system designed to create obedient workers.
The neocons would never have been able to legislate away the Constitution and Bill of Rights in a society of informed and educated Americans. But such a society no longer exists.
Instead, we have an uninformed, frightened electorate that accepts the dictates of a Federal government that has set itself above any law (that was the purpose of destroying Constitutional protections). These “leaders” are as ill-educated as any other Americans. It is not clear that they even understand the power of the nuclear weapons that they command.
Thank you, Captain Fifteen. Irrefutable proof indeed of what kind of morally stinking, horrible sewer that Zionazi rule requires for perpetuating itself.
As for the Western monkeys wallowing in their mental wasteland, they should be treated with brutal austerity, courtesy of their ruling elites. I think it’s in the making.
“No, but we have the editorial board.”
Yes and then they advertisers that are major corp. and most corp. have a hand in making money from the death & destruction. This what Amerika is all about 6 corp. own 95% of the media and what they want us citizens in Amerika to know they will tell us and we’ll shut and be happy.
Sad isn’t I grew up in Amerika that we questioned all authority but that Amerika is gone. I’m glad you sent the story to here. Send more.
re: Captain 15: My kudos to you and believe me when the overworked intern in charge of answering Sen. Feinstein’s mail sent me the form l e mail etter beginning, ” We understand your demand to send more military aid to the Ukraine…etc. etc.”, I gave up attempting to communicate with her. The New Yorker considers my style of writing ( i.e. non use of obligatory academic words in academia speak with an oh so measured tone of gravitas/pomposity) a screed but the interns there at least probably got a kick out of my reaming of their senior editor who is a close friend of ex ambassador Mc Fowel/Mc Foul ?… Dear Captain, it is no use because they give journalistic awards for precisely these skewed articles but soldier on, my friend, soldier on.
Yes, I’ve called it the Propaganda and Indoctrination Systems for almost 2 decades now, but that’s not to imply they aren’t older, for they certainly are.
I was reminded today that the US flag is also the flag of the Slavocracy–not just the Confederate flag qualifies. Globally, the stars & stripes are a gross symbol of death and oppression–even moreso now that we know the contents of the so-called Trade Agreements.
High time to reissue the Declaration of Independence, for the Tyranny the Outlaw Empire represents is every bit as reprehensible as that of its Mother Empire and its morally debased society.
The USSA learnt a WRONG lesson from the Vietnam War, which they *lost*. Because they lost, they looked for reasons or *scapegoats*. They came to the conclusion that they lost because they didn’t win the “info-war”, i.e. sufficiently negative news on the war appeared in the USA and the war became “unpopular”. So their lesson from this is that, first and foremost, they MUST control /win the info-war – obviously the way to do that is to control what is in the USSA’s MSM.
This is of course, a total reversal; it’s like the USA has been turned into the Soviet Union when it comes to the media – where PRAVDA is the only source of news. Of course, you have “choices” of MSM – CNN, Fox, ABC, etc, but they ALL convey the *same* message that the war moguls want to convey.
They hope that by doing so, they will win. Of course, they did this starting in the 1980s, and since then they have invaded, or cause “proxy wars” in multiple places: Grenada, Iraq x2, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, etc,etc. and of course, in all these places, they *win*. They now think that their control of the *info-war* is partly responsible. Of course, the real reason they *win* is because these are all *easy* opponents. But they don’t know that, they think their media control has contributed significantly, and so they will continue to do so. They now think perhaps Russia and China would be the same… they would be mistaken of course, but they wont find out until they lose again.
@ Alan,
Q; They came to the conclusion that they lost because they didn’t win the “info-war”,
R: A person can claim to do Public Relation business, but most know that’s just a fancy way of saying, “I’m knee-deep into Propaganda.”
Josef Goebels admired Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays [a fellow tribesman], for a very good reason…
funny, not just Merkel and Hollande, Brazil’s Rosseff has also caved:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/29/brazilian-president-dilma-rousseffs-flip-flop-nsa-spying/
Welcome to the ziomedia, Captain Fifteen. A neverneverland of total fabrication and psychological/marketing manipulation. One cant change them, but one can shut the war criminals down by refusing to use the ziomedia and using real alternatives instead.
The good thing is that anti Russian media overdid it’s propaganda so badly that it had an effect opposite to intended turning quiet few people against the west and making them pro Russian.
The bad thing is that some of pro Russian media made similar mistake.
The whole point of info struggle is not to preach to a faithful but to convert a fence seater.
3/3 – Observations convince me | Unfortunately in some cases | Agreed
@Captain Fifteen
Dear Captain Fifteen
I am still trembling after watching the beautiful young mother in Gorlovka who suffers so terribly after watching her beloved husband and her beautiful daughter so brutally massacred and not knowing if her little boy will be able to see.
I now realize that this was the family that “Texas” described in one of his video reports. This is just so monstrous, I can’t believe that ordinary Americans would just not care. I watched Cong Rokrabacher drilling Power about the Ukrainian shelling and her disgusting reponse. He clearly stated that the whole problem was due to a “violent coup” which she tried to deflect and she stated that the osce could not really verify Donbass’ claims because the “separatists” don’t allow access.and then that creepy zionist Cuban lady cut him off, I guess she was the chairperson.
Rohrabacher seems to be aware of the truth. He said he visited knowledgable persons in Europe who told him what’s really happening.
Have you tried calling in to CSpan? Sometimes callers do manage to get their 2 cents in even though they don’t like the truth there either.
I would also suggest hammering away at Amy Goodman. She is an establishment shill, but……try try try…Write to Jeremy Scahill too……Write to Paul Craig Roberts….he might have some suggestions for getting the truth out to the average American. Not just the Americans of course, but these are the people who live in the belly of the beast and if they can be riled up….that would be an enormous help.
I have a feeling that contacting Cong Rohrabacher might be a good idea also. He seems angry about the whole thing.
Maybe Dimitry Orlov would be willing to tell your story on his blog ClubOrlov….wouldn’t hurt to try.
Trying established MSM media is a lost cause.
It really is a David and Goliath scenario…
This poor woman had me crying….Monsters these people
Monsters. This story has got to get to the dumbed down West Ukrainians. That would contribute to more defections. There are mothers there too.
Makes me ashamed to think of my petty problems.
Went to your site. Don’t stop. Thank you
Christine
@Captain Fifteen
Sorry, should have posted the Link to watch the exchange between Rohrabacher and Power:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42275.htm
I think this is the link you meant to post :
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42252.htm
Hi Marko,
yes, sorry again, thanks. Don’t know how that happened. Hope you watched that exchange.
Mike Whitney’s article was also great! Someone else has posted that here in the vineyard.
Christine
Pretty good article.
West is using mass media to shape public opinion into approval for their criminal actions.
Once enemy is demonized, they can be bombed / invaded at will. Poor ‘Average Joe’ is manipulated & his tax money used for weapons. Military industrial complex makes lots of money…
In short – unfortuntely there is no independent press / media on West.
Truman Show at its best, or Emir Kusturica masterpiece Underground live.
‘Editorial board’ = censorship board.. same change of name game that has made kidnapping = rendition, torture = alternative means of interrogation etc. ‘divide and conquer’ always starts in the mind, same with self-censorship and propaganda. Most Americans haven’t got a clue about what’s really going on and don’t really care, not really, though some will act like they do until pushed to explain what they really think about things and why. It isn’t really their fault, as they’ve been ‘dumbed down’ for so long, something one doesn’t realize until they step out of this new version of Plato’s Cave. It’s been a gradual process that’s taken generations, and most people in any empire want to believe the best of their country, even if not their leaders, who aren’t really leading anything so much as following orders from those oligarchic members of the club that vetted them and set them up in office, in business etc. In our post-Vietnam era of imperial domination, it’s best for crowd control if the shepple don’t see, hear or read anything on tv, radio, or any of the mainstream media outlets without being officially approved, something the CIA started doing after WW2, Robert Crowley had this responsibility during part of his tenure. Recently a German journalist, if that title can still be used, has spoken out about this subject, an ancient practice by every empire, which isn’t talked about of course, as neither is anything of substance talked about, which is why entertainment here in the States is so overwhelming… it keeps the minds of the sheeple occupied and vectored into the corral at all times. A few speak out but the herd has been conditioned to ignore them, as well as to ignore nearly anything of ‘substance’, and when that fails, just crash the markets and take their jobs overseas. There are many ways to keep the sheeple distracted and disinterested from the reality that surrounds them; for as long as that reality remains beyond the fenceline, it remains only a figment of their imagination, another aspect of reality best left unexplored.
In short, we don’t really practice ‘journallism’ anymore, haven’t for a very long time, especially since the media laws were changed so the oligarchy could buy it all up, in the name of economics of course.
Captain Fifteen might want to contact The Real News to see if they might be interested in his story. They don’t have a Ukraine “beat” at the moment , but with the appropriate contacts , maybe they’d start one. Here’s their page on Ukraine videos from around the web :
http://therealnews.com/t2/component/hwdvideoshare/displayresults/0?pattern=ukraine&rpp=0&sort=0&ep=&ex=
They’re not big or “mainstream” , but their influence is growing on the web , and they present anti-mainstream positions on many issues. No Brawndo on the beverage menu , so to speak.
Just a thought.
The last few anti-war rallies I visited, I spent the whole time harassing the press..like a fly on a hot day. It was very enjoyable to vent some of my anger on these clowns.
Russia and Novorossiya are at war with the empire. The empire’s media would’ve to be either saints or fools to help their enemies wage war on themselves. To them you’re the enemy, and the enemy’s version of truth is just that, his version of events. Like the American boss of NATO (Breedlove??) said,” We don’t fight fair…and have no intention of doing so…” Sorry Captain Fifteen, but It seems obvious to me that Russia would have to win this one without the empire’s vassals. Just saying.
Having watched the video with the OSCE before and once again today it does appear that the woman OSCE who is being berated (mildly, given the circumstances) demonstrates an officious lack of empathy. The man shows a little more empathy -whether that has any conviction is anyone’s guess. I assume these OSCE types in Ukraine are of Kiev/western Ukraine origin or descended diaspora.
Personally I’d be tempted to kidnap the whole bunch, remove all their communication devices and give them some nice cosy accomodation overnight so they can share the experience of a fine nighttime shelling and Grad rocketing.
Failing that, send them all packing so that at least they can’t falsify/spin those reports.
From the OSCE website:
“OSCE United in Countering Violent Extremism”
“What We Do: Combating terrorism”
“Terrorism is a crime that has no justification, and it should not be associated with any race, ethnicity, nationality or religion.
Preventing people from becoming terrorists requires resolute actions on many fronts to address the various social, economic, political and other factors conducive to terrorism.
The spread of violent extremism is a particularly powerful driver of terrorist radicalization and recruitment. Violent extremism thrives on, and fuels, divisions, marginalization, bigotry, discrimination, and other human rights violations”
Fine words; pity their definition of terrorism doesn’t include shelling and rocketing towns and murdering civilians if the victims are eastern Ukrainians. In fact their definition probably defines those very same civilians as “terrorists”.
Throw the bums out; the OSCE is a political organisation that can’t even recognise that what Kiev is doing to eastern Ukraine is against the Geneva Convention.
Sorry, I forgot the OSCE link:
http://www.osce.org/unitedCVE
I am sure there are stories behind the story but here’s one more reason to dump the OSCE:
Finland has refused an entry visa to 6 Russian parliamentarians, including the parliament speaker, preventing them from attending a parliamentary session of OSCE – of which Russia is a founding member.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russia-disgusted-finland-after-delegates-barred-osce-session/ri8463
Albert Müller, former council to the German chancellor Willy Brandt, nails the reasons for this desaster for any humane society:
“Das bittere Fazit. Demokratie funktioniert in Europa nicht mehr. Es fehlt das Grundelement: die Chance zum politischen Wechsel.” (‘The bitter conclusion: Democracy in Europe does not function anymore. Its basic element is missing: the option for political change.’)
He states that the conservative rulers – different to liberal-minded or progressive actors – consider their right to rule as being granted by god…. The election results in Greece have been considered as a provocation by these conservative and neoliberal circles having ursupated political power in Europe. The leftist government in Greece may not succeed in order to deter any similar developments in other European countries… for this purpose, not only the Greek goverment but the entire Greek population has to be starved into submission.
http://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=26635
@ article: the trouble is that “professional journalist” is just another term for a prostitute, paid to say&write what the bosses want them to. No place for any sort of honesty there, it is an industry.
You are wasting your time Captain Fifteen. If you want to get the truth out you only have two real options.
1. Do it yourself. Start with your phone and a youtube channel and report the truth as you see it. One day you will have ground zero reporting of something the western media will want and then you will get your access. In the meantime those who seek the truth will find you.
2. Find a real journalist i.e. a comedian. Through out history the only way to speak truth to power (without losing your head) has been either beauty or comedy. Since I don’t know what you look like I will recommend comedy. See if you can get the attention of a western comedy show. They tend to be far better at news.
My family come from the west of Ukraine, and I have had precisely the same reaction from news platforms and journalists. My experience is the same. The level of ignorance about Ukraine among journalists is only exceeded by their towering arrogance that they ‘know’ everything that’s important about what’s happening there! What a grotesque farce it is. When I start to engage with journalists about events in Ukraine they quickly become incredibly defensive because it’s obvious they know virtually nothing about Ukraine compared to me. ‘So, you’re an expert are you?’ they ask, rather aggressively, as if knowing something about Ukraine is a disqualification and threatening! What is going on? Then… ‘So you think we’re all idiots do you?’ when it become apparent even to the journalists, that they really do know next to nothing and that’s embarrassing, no?
What the journalists do is follow the politicians, regardless of where they are leading them and the country. Towards WW3? It’s really rather frigntening and depressing. If this is ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’, then something is terribly wrong, structurally wrong, and it’s not going to change anytime soon.
Chomsky and Herman’s “Propaganda Model” of how the mass media operates continues to withstand all challenges.
One key exchange with an editor guy on TV had the editor guy claiming that he’d never had a story blocked or suppressed and felt that he wasn’t constrained in what to publish. Chomsky replied (vague paraphrase from vague memory) something like “I’m sure that’s true. But if you were not the kind of person who chooses to publish the kind of stories you do, you would not be sitting in that chair right now talking to me. You would have been pushed out of the business ages ago.”
I used to work close to journalists. This is how it goes:
They are subscribed to a network of “headlines” (ie. Associated Press, Reuters, …) which they consider as a kind of golden trusted channel. They will *never* question it and just reprint while adding some pictures and changing the sentences.
They don’t think of news as a way to spread true and verified information. It’s more of a show. For example “these days, there’s a lot of talks about plane crashes so we’ll publish anything related to this”. And after 2 weeks or so, they’ll talk about something else to avoid boring the audience.
So it’s easy. You just need to control the above headlines channels and publish in batches. The journalists downstream will just copy it, without verifying or sending people there (and when they do, they subconsciously try their best to match the main narrative for example by discarding interviews that don’t fit well enough).
Hi Dave.
Its an old post so your may no longer around – but
What u say is very interesting. Can you tell a little more about how this works.
I dont think most journalists/editors are evil, and i think most journalists believe there own lies (So technically there not lies). That being the case how is it they dont report obvious facts and why do they censor the truth and sustain obvious contradictions.
I would really like to understand how this works
Kevin
Well, as I said it’s all about how journalists work nowadays. Sending a journalist directly to the area of interest is slow, expensive and risky (ie. in a war zone).
Also most journalists come out of “journalist schools”, which formats them and removes any hope left of critical thinking and self investigation.
One of the best example of such manipulation I know is from AFP (in french), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgVKjBjyw6I
Or for Putin (french again), https://www.les-crises.fr/interview-poutine-scandale-des-coupes/
Without access to the original footage, people will never know.
But surly they cant be that stupid ?
It would only take a moments thought or a single phone call to realise it cant be true.
If it were that simple it would only be necessary to send the objective evidence to a group of journalists to break the censorship. But it doesn’t happen.
I cant figure this one out. Why do journalists refuse to admit what is clear as day. Have the Russian/Syrian government attempted to contact the MSM ! How does the MSM maintain the censorship and cognitive dissonance & why would an “innocent” journalist go along with it. This has puzzled me for years. To me this doesn’t add up.
And its important, because until the independent media break through to the MSM democracy is just an illusion.
Add Russia Insider to the twisted journalism and censorship.
Here’s part an exchange at http://russia-insider.com/en/christianity/russia-moves-closer-banning-aborting/ri8478 before my two latter replies were deleted.
Someone on staff doesn’t like what I had to say and though it was OK to refer to my post as ‘Orwellian’. Twisk is using old propagandist memes which many others have discredited, such as calling a young fetus a ‘baby’.
My comments were not the only ones deleted.
It’s not just western MSM and the guardian that does this censoring stuff. Very ‘western’ of Russia Insider.
It’s no wonder people can’t get a decent discussion going to work out problems and differences. Maybe it’s hopeless to try with all the authoritarians determining who will ‘win’ in a debate, or even have their views aired. This is especially so with religious issues (note the source of the original article) and something that drove me away from church at an early age, along with inserting their theology into public policies (they can assert what they like but you are not allowed to argue with them).
I’m fed up with Russia Insider at this point.
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Blue Pilgrim • 10 hours ago
If Russia gives in to these theocratic efforts to limit the rights of women over their bodies it will be a big step backwards and cause huge problems in the future, as it has in the US.
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Twisk Blue Pilgrim • 9 hours ago
Always the same mistake. Abortion is not a right over one’s own body, since there are TWO bodies involved.
Any and every pregnant woman is told the same thing “you’re carrying a new life in your womb”. So, abortion is a right of life and death over somebody else’s body, namely the baby.
At least, instead of painting it in Orwellian colours, call it what it is: the right of life and death over a new life.
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Blue Pilgrim Twisk • 9 hours ago
That’s just the way you are thinking and defining it, but others think differently, and you have no right to impose your thoughts or religious beliefs on others. A zygote is not a fetus or baby, so you are being deceptive even in your terms. This is typical of theocrats and others arrogant enough to think their ideas should rule over other people — and that’s one of the big problems that the US and world has encountered, often leading to wars which kill millions of people of all ages.
One should also note that the Church also generally opposes contraception with the effect that fertilization take place when it is not wanted, making the problem of abortion worse, and that in politics much attention is paid to producing babies while too often little is given to supporting children after birth — endemic in the US and among capitalists, and even in the policies of many churches.
There is nothing Orwellian about the facts.
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Twisk Blue Pilgrim • 7 hours ago
“That’s just the way you are thinking and defining it,
I stopped reading after that. Denying realities like the fact a pregnant woman IS nurturing another person in herself (how were you born? Is your body your mother’s body? Don’t you see or feel a difference between you and her?) only triggers one reflex in me: a facepalm.
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Blue Pilgrim Twisk • 6 hours ago
That you stopped reading after That’s just the way you are thinking and defining it, tells me that you are not interested in anyone’s thought but your own, which explains why you think you have the right to tell a woman what she is allowed to do with her body and life. and you aren’t interested in hearing anything different.
No, a zygote or fetus is not a person, and for some time in the early stages does not even have a brain of any sort. All the rest is just religious dogma from ancient religious politicians who said ‘believe because I said it’ — much like the politicians today, who also constantly evoke god to get what they want when it’s convenient for them but are no wiser or smarter than anyone else. Face palm all you want, but you have only convinced me it’s a waste of time posting to you again when you don’t even read what I’ve already written.
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I am an American. It takes a lot of time and the will to know the truth to get it. I have spent many hours comparing articles, checking facts, going to many internet sites and have what I believe is the truth. The blackout on truth regarding everything and especially the war in Ukraine is criminal. It allows the US & Europe to do whatever they want in the name of a scapegoat (Russia) with lies after lies after lies. But, you would be surprised at how many ordinary Americans are getting the truth. I think the most appalling outcome is that most Americans do not believe we are headed for a war with Russia or WWIII, for that reason they really do not care so much. Of course, that just gives the neo-con camp a green light for more killing and looting. Thank you for this article.