By Fred Reed for the Saker Blog
In today’s column, we will revolutionize science, and establish that much of what we believe, at least regarding living things, is at best improbable and likely impossible. Science won’t notice, so no harm will be done.
As we explicate the Theory of Impossibility, we must begin with particle physics. This will give the column a touch of class. Specifically, the Fundamental Theorem of Quantum Mechanics states, “If a thing makes no sense at all, wait until you get used to it, and then it will.” For example, the idea that a particle can simultaneously be a wave is absurd, but is now everywhere accepted, like potatoes. The EPR effect, holding that if one of a pair of entangled photons, in Scarsdale, changes polarity, its entangled partner, in Alpha Centauri, will simultaneously change polarity, is ridiculous. How would it know? Neither of these things can happen. But they do, so we regard them as reasonable. Here we enunciate and underlying principle: A thing is not necessarily possible merely because it happens.
Unless something is going on that we do not know about.
Scientists see the universe as if it were a gigantic crossword puzzle. Crosswords are inherently solvable. While the great puzzle of life and existence has not been entirely elucidated, we assume that it can be, given time and effort. We may not know a five-letter word ending in Q that means “seventh-century Persian coin,” but we assume that it exists and can one day be found. But…is this so?
This reminds me that when I was in college, before the invention of fire, sophomores quoted Gödel’s Theorem as saying that in a logical system of sufficient complexity, there were questions that could not be answered within the system. Whether the theorem actually says this, I forget, but we said it said it, and felt very wise.
Here we come to one of my favorite clichés, by the British biologist J.B.S. Haldane, “The world is not only queerer than we think, but queerer than we can think.” Just so. Perhaps there are questions that can’t be answered, and therefore won’t be. This cannot be a comforting thought to a new-minted chemist as he rushes forth from CalTech, which may be why anything suggesting inherent unanswerability is rejected. But it may be that we just aren’t smart enough to understand everything, or maybe even much of it. Here we come to another cliché by my favorite philosopher (me): The smartest of a large number of hamsters is still a hamster.
Now, impossibility. Suppose I showed you a pair of tiny gears and said, “See? When I turn this one, it meshes with the other and makes it turn too.” You would respond with a lack of surprise. Suppose I then showed you fifty such little gears in an old-fashioned Swiss watch in which they all turned to make the hands move. You might say, “Isn’t that ingenious.” Suppose that I then told you that someone had assembled, literally, a cubic mile of such tiny gears and that they meshed perfectly for fifty years to do many complex things. You would ask me what I was smoking.
Even though each step in a cubic-mile process could be shown to be possible—gear A turns gear B, which turns gears C and D—you would sense that the entire complex wouldn’t work, however plausible each sub-process might be. You would be unconsciously applying the law that the improbability of the whole is greater than the sum of the improbabilities of the parts. The improbability is not a linear function of the number of parts but increases without limit as the number of parts goes above, say, one thousand.
Does that sound dreadfully portentous, or what? One day it will be the foundation of ponderous overpriced textbooks to extract money from sophomores. At least I hope so. I could use the money.
To a neophyte of biochemistry, the textbook description of a cell seems the mapping of a robotic Japanese factory onto a swamp. For example, in what sounds like a computer-controlled assembly line, enzymes uncoil the DNA, others unzip it, complementary nucleotides snap into place, a zipper-upper enzyme glues them together, click, click, click, whereupon the mRNA rushes purposefully off to a ribosome where, click, click, click. This is probably AP biology in decent high schools, if any, and has been verified thousands of times by biochemists. But…it sounds like mechanical engineering, not mindless undirected glop in solution.
You say, “But Fred, you don’t know anything about biochemistry.” True, but so what? You don’t have to know anything about it to know that it is impossible. Too many little wheels. You’ve got mRNA and microRNA and rRNA all rushing about, or sometimes holding still, and doing complex and purposeful things, and tRNA codons and anticodons coupling like drunken teenagers, and busybody enzymes editing this or that on the fly in the manner of bioschoolmarms or splicing this and some other thing and ribosomes and lysosomes and spliceosomes and palindromes and maybe aerodromes and really twisty long molecules with names like 2,4-diethyl-polywannacrackerene—and all of this is said to run with the efficiency of a Mexican drug cartel. All of this in a tiny space where everything ought to bang into everything else and just lie there in smoking rubble.
To us barbarians on the outside, the cell looks like a microscopic globule of goop with sticky stuff diffusing mindlessly about. I do not doubt that biochemists, whom I respect, have shown all of this to happen by careful experiments. I just don’t believe it. It’s the cubic mile of gears again. You have hundreds of reactive species in close proximity doing extraordinarily complicated things for sometimes a hundred years with what sounds like precisely coordinated purposefulness–instead of congealing immediately into a droplet of disagreeable mush. I do not doubt that lab folk have proved that it happens. I just don’t think it is possible. Unless something is going on that we don’t understand.
The foregoing is not orthodox biochemistry and may encounter initial resistance in the trade.
A problem of biology for years has been the inability of evolutionists to explain how life or many of its manifestations can have evolved, irreducible complexity and all that, the usual response being ok, we aren’t sure, but any day now we will have the answer. The check is in the mail. But in fact the inexplicability grows ever greater year on year as more and more complexity is discovered, such as epigenetics, and the more complexity, the less likelihood of coming about by chance. But we advocates of Impossibility Theory assert that not only can living things not have evolved, but also that they can’t function. Too many little gear wheels. Therefore life doesn’t exist.
Consider the retina, a very thin membrane consisting of ten distinct sublayers engaging in appallingly complex biochemistry, somehow maintaining position and function for, occasionally, a hundred years. These layers consist of millions of cells doing the impossibly tricky chemical dance mentioned above, more or less perfectly. In the rest of the eye you have the three layers of the eyeball, sclera, choroid, retina, and the five layers of the cornea, epithelium, Bowman’s membrane, stroma, Descemet’s membrane, and posterior lamina. And a lens consisting of a proteinaceous goop contained in a capsule, attached to the muscular ciliary body by suspensory ligaments, and an iris of radial and circumferential fibers innervated competitively by the sympathetic and parasympathetic subsystems of the autonomic nervous system. No way exists of explaining how this purportedly evolved—or how it works for many years without the layers of intricacy, biochemical through mechanical, collapsing. (I know this stuff because I have eye problems connected with Washington’s foreign policy.)
The intricacy of life is layered. We start with a zygote which, being a cell, is bogglingly complex. This little time bomb develops into a baby, which is impossible. If you don’t think so, try reading a textbook of embryology. The migration of cells, this control gradient, that control gradient, DGRNs, perfect inerrant specialization to form implausibly precise and complex things like incus, malleus, stapes, tympanum in the ear and (very) numerous other examples, all impossible individually and more so in aggregate.
Impossible, at least, unless we can come up with an auxiliary explanation. Magic seems a good candidate.
All of the organs of the baby are in varying degrees impossibly complicated and, even more impossible, almost always all of them are perfect at once. Everyone knows Murphy’s Law: If something can go wrong, it will. A baby should bring joy to Murphy because the opportunities of disaster are nearly infinite—yet things almost never go wrong. It is like a federal program that actually works.
The functioning of said baby is as mysterious as its formation. Babies grow. Children grow. How does this happen? For example, the baby has various small, hollow bones which grow year after year into large hollow bones. For this to work, cells (osteoclasts) eat away the bone from the inside, making the hollow larger, while other cells (osteoblasts) lay down new bone on the outside. Complex and wildly implausible communication between blast and clast purportedly makes this work. Medical researchers, honest people, no fools, assure me that this happens, and I believe them. Sort of. The idea that this evolved by random mutation is, if I may use a technical term, nuts. So, according to Impossibility Theory, is its precise, inerrant functioning. We come back to magic.
The whole baby does this sort of thing. The skull grows. Kidneys grow. The heart grows. All, with few exceptions, perfectly. Meanwhile, kidneys excrete, endocrine glands secrete, neurons weirdly but correctly link up, skin grows in perfect layers, nervous system deploys—perfectly. Do you believe this? It isn’t possible.
Unless there is something we haven’t figured out, and perhaps can’t.
I don’t know much about anything (readers delight in assuring me of this). However, I don’t know less about computers than I don’t know about biology. I want an engineering information-flow analysis of cells and a baby. Probably there are courses and books about this, and I just haven’t heard of them.
Consider a drill, perhaps in a factory, controlled by a computer. The total information involved in this transaction presumably consists of information flowing from sensors on the drill to the computer, and from the computer to the drill. Digital bits are easy to understand if you have at least two fingers. Cells are dauntingly analog.
A whole lot of things have to happen in a cell at the right time and produce the right amounts of all sorts of stuff. But to my naïve gaze, not only do processes have to produce things in correct amounts, but the systems that tell them how much to produce have to know how much that is, and these interrelationships all have to interrelate with each other. How much is that in gigabytes? Again, I am a barbarian of such things, but I wish a software engineer would reduce the whole shebang to data-flow diagrams, including how it knows when things are wearing out and the information paths needed to repair them. And why everything doesn’t just stick to everything else.
Thee you have the elements of a theory of impossibility. Doubtless it will rank with general relativity and Watson and Crick. You saw it here first.
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I am in total agreement. Just finishing up “Power, Sex, Suicide” by Nick Lane. I think we are all on board.
Simple instructions repeated over and over by enough points produce complicated reactions look at a bird flock for example or a termite’s nest for example this is repeated everywhere that’s all I have to say
But Fred’s cellular soup is neither a flock of birds nor a termite’s nest (both are, NB, sentient).
If I press one pedal in my car, there’s a liquid that transforms into speed…
I don’t know what’s going on, it seemed magic to me at first, yet it happens and it’s not sentient.
The mechanic roughly knows how the car works and can even repair it. I met him a few times.
And the engineer can even design and instruct robots to build one car. I never met him, but I know he exists, because the car didn’t mafically spawn out of thin air.
Perhaps I already saw one, but didn’t know he was an engineer because I didn’t interact with him…
We all see life happening and Universe going on. Our mechanics (scientists, doctors) can even roughly understand how it works and fix some things. But will we ever meet the engineers? Perhaps there are things we see without knowing what they realy are, perhaps when we are able to interact we’ll find out they are engineers.
After all, we can’t just keep calling “black” or “dark” to all things we don’t know well, can’t see, or didn’t interact with yet: black hole, dark matter, dark energy. Science needs to stop being racist, and interact with everyone!
Now seriously, about the evolution of the eye in particular or evolution in general, and talking about computers, you can see how with a simple code you can create a neuronal network (a series of nodes that either transform 0 into 1, or 1 into 0, or keep them the same) that through trial and error evolves into a complex behaviour that resembles thinking, or evolution, or magic.
In the end, an electric current passing through several transistors, is capable of playing Pacman alone, deciding when to turn, when to hide, how to avoid ghosts or when to defeat them, learn the need to eat and go after all remaining food, and stay alive until the level is complete.
We can even play against each other in opposites places of the planet in real time. The information flows near the speed of light, it can even go to space and back.
We know how it works because we were the engineers of such information channels.
So, if a particle’s spin information can be sent to another part of the universe, the existence of such a communication channel is real. We just don’t understand it yet, because we were not the engineers.
But we can study to become one. And if the current knowledge is not enough, we need to keep creating more knowledge. If it exists, then it’s possible to know, sooner or later. It was not long ago that people didn’t even had the knowledge to know what knowledge was. But we evolved to understand it and to expand it.
If you told science community a couple hundred years ago that we would be able to ressuscitate people with electric shocks, or have in every pocket a tiny window that allows us to speak to and see anyone on the planet (and at the ISS) in real time, they would say we were crazy, talking about magic, or about something impossible. They wouldn’t be able to even understand the concept of something that became natural to us nowadays.
So, the problem with the theory of impossibility is this: it makes the mistake of not learning with our own history. Just because something is not yet explained, it doesn’t mean it can’t be explained. More complexity means news discoveries. For example gravity. When it was explained by a simple equation, we were more far away from the truth than we are now. Now we know more, about what happens at a nanonscale, and about gravitational waves.
Maybe one day we’ll know enough to use gravitons with the same ease we now use electrons. Maybe make an FTL engine for interstellar travel, that contracts space ahead of us, and expands it behing us, in the same simple and explainable way we nowadays transform a liquid into speed by pressing a pedal on our cars, or create an artificial intelligence with electrons and transistors, or make our information go to space and back to another part of the planet by just tapping the glass of that tiny window in our pocket, or create a new human compatible organ in a 3D meat printer.
So, in the end, time is the proof that destroys the theory of impossibility. Because with enough time, we’ll get the knowledge to explain all that today has no explanation and seems magic. And without enough time, if manking ends before all knowledge is gathered, then there will be no one around to say this theory became law in the human world. Thus, the theory of impossibility killed itself with its own paradox.
Quite brilliant
Time appears to be your god. Fred, however, is right. Evolutionary theory is rife with contradictions. It’s foundation is survival of the fittest. How could vision possibly evolve? So many interdependent steps would be required and each one of them makes the organism less fit for survival. For a simpler example take a 4 legged mammal that is adapted to running. Each step along the way of changing their feet into something like the hands of a chimp makes the organism less adapted to survival – until the changing of feet into hands is complete – along with all the other changes necessary for the hands to become an advantage – such as a rotatable wrist.
The answer – “with enough time it is bound to happen” is illogical. It is akin to saying that if you light fire to enough wooden houses one will eventually burn into a stone mansion.
Jose Olivera: “For example gravity. When it was explained by a simple equation, we were more far away from the truth than we are now.”
That is the problem – gravity has not been explained – what is ‘curved spacetime’? Einstein most certainly did not know what curved space time is because space is supposed to be a vacuum, a sea of emptiness, nothing, so how can nothing curve if it has no form, no substance? And herein lies the problem, we are talking about things that not only do we not understand – we do not even have the conceptual framework to begin to figure out the real secrets of nature. Technology is a very poor analogy, sorry, I do not mean to offend, but it is, it is an argument used repeatedly. Technology is a product of man’s (sorry, ‘human’) ability to manipulate nature & materials by understanding certain aspects of nature & materials. But attempt to create the nature & materials that go into the technology. Take computers. Plastics. Silicon. Rare metals. These materials, when you break them down, say plastics to basic oil/tar, how do we create it? We can’t, we don’t even know what it is, because it is still referred to as fossil fuels. Oil is clearly a geological phenomena, is it just a matter of time that we come to understand how we can simulate it? No, because at the sub atomic level something is going on that we can not even begin to even conceptualize, this is why quantum mechanics was invented – it was a gimmick invented to conceptualize that which we are unable to conceptualize. Like in the film ‘Interstellar’ the mysterious singularity & unattainable quantum data that will enable humanity to master gravity & migrate off planet – Cooper needs an act of God in the end to obtain the quantum data & transmit it through some arcane tesseract to his daughter so she can practically make use of it. The God that helps Cooper & save his life are humans from the future who have transcended 3-4 dimensional space time, basically, humans have become Gods. Yes indeed. We have a long way to go before we begin to understand even the basics of the universe, of the reality we find ourselves in, we will need to develop an entirely new conceptual framework, a totally new philosophy.
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conhece a lógica paraconsistente desenvolvida pelo lógico-matemático brasileiro Newton da Costa?
https://periodicos.sbu.unicamp.br/ojs/index.php/manuscrito/article/view/8641922
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Do you know the paraconsistent logic developed by the Brazilian logic-Mathematical Newton da Costa?
See my comment below. You’ve missed the point.
@José: “For example gravity. When it was explained by a simple equation, we were more far away from the truth than we are now.”
Not exactly. Truth doesn’t mean anything in logic and math, until you give a precise, unambiguous definition and stick to it. Mathematicians did it, and within the logic/math theoretical sphere it’s not a problematic term anymore. But when it comes to physics, truth becomes problematic, because it involves checking the correspondence between theory and matter’s behaviour. And this check is not always a simple task, especially in modern physics.
Nonetheless, many tried to find a method in order to verify scientific propositions. None of them succeeded. So Karl Popper noted that you can never be sure that a scientific theory is true, but you can easily check that it’s false.
Hence, how can you know how far or close to the truth you are?
In the case of gravity, we only refined the theory together with the ways of checking its predictability. We depured it of some falsities, if you want. But “truth” is not a wise term to be used in this context.
@Buckwheat: “The answer – “with enough time it is bound to happen” is illogical.”
But Evolutionism doesn’t necessarily give that answer… it’s more like “with enough time it CAN happen”.
And the evolutionary mechanisms are way more complex than what you explained, science has gone far beyond Darwin. I suggest you to dive into the Evo Devo if you want an example (but I studied these things some years ago, so I’m sure they progressed further in the meantime).
@Srbalj: “Einstein most certainly did not know what curved space time is because space is supposed to be a vacuum, a sea of emptiness, nothing, so how can nothing curve if it has no form, no substance? And herein lies the problem, we are talking about things that not only do we not understand – we do not even have the conceptual framework to begin to figure out the real secrets of nature.”
I don’t get it. In Einstein’s theory space-time is only a mathematical expression. You know what a sphere is, right? Even if you cannot find a single sphere in the material world. Because a perfect sphere is just a concept. Concepts can stand by themselves without necessarily needing a “substance”, a “form”, or whichever Aristotelian metaphysical term you want to use.
Yes, I know, we’re still digging into gravitational waves and that kind of stuff, but we’ve since long decided to build and try whatever “conceptual framework” we may need in order to make new hypoteses and check them with the experimental method. Some of those frameworks are hard to get used to, but to what avail talking about “the real secrets of nature”? It makes no sense.
There’s no “true world” out there. Nietzsche explained it very well. I don’t want to disqualify all platonism-derived epistemological theories here, nor I’d like to force some good old German idealistic philosophy, I merely state that taking a “real nature” for granted is a mistake.
For sure, “real nature” is utterly unnecessary for science. And if you want to open the gates of spirituality from here, you can, but don’t blame science, because from this point of view it’s only a method and nothing more.
Gab: “I don’t get it. In Einstein’s theory space-time is only a mathematical expression.”
No it’s not. Curved space-time is something that in Einstein’s general relativity is expressed mathematically – obviously, otherwise there would be no theory – but has no reality in the world. Gravitational lensing is a phenomenon attributed to curved space-time & is claimed, by the mainstream discourse in physics, to be a firm proof of the reality of the phenomenon of the curvature of space. Your sphere analogy I will leave to you, it makes no sense, the concept of a sphere is analogous to real world phenomena as well – you may as well say time does not exist, it is just a theory. This is called proof by abstraction, or in my gutter terminology, proof by bullsh**t. Beg your pardon.
Gab: “but don’t blame science, because from this point of view it’s only a method and nothing more.”
That is not true either – that is a statement of what science should be: a method of inquiry & testing/proof – but in the real world, the human world in which we live, science is something very much more than a means to learn about the workings of nature. Science is a socio-political phenomenon, there is something called a scientific establishment, mainstream science, conventional wisdom & the like, all of it very closely linked to the political economy of the so-called mainstream media, or corporate media if you like. Science is an instrument of power, & it is used brutally, as we have just discovered in the last 2 years, I think you know of what I speak. This is the context in which we are discussing science, its misuse, & the flaw in what is claimed to be the scientific method, which the imperialistic part of the world attempts to claim ownership over.
@Srbalj: I’m not denying your second point in any way. On the contrary, I agree: science, in a broader meaning, is what you described, too. But I wrote: “science […] from this point of view [is] only a method”, where the keywords are “from this point of view”… and in that point of view science is only an experimental method and nothing more. I was talking merely epistemologically there.
As for the first point, I don’t know what you’re talking about when you say “real world”. It’s just an unnecessary construction to me.
I mean the real world of objective experience – without which we can reduce everything to an abstraction. The real world in which 2 + 2 = 4. That real world. I understand perfectly well that on a philosophical level, we can question the very existence of objective reality, & when one gets deep into it, question whether there really is such a thing as objectivity at all. Yes I know. And I don’t disagree fundamentally with these kinds of observations, I mean, in a way it returns to the original point of how difficult it is to construct a coherent picture of reality – however you want to define reality – because we neither have the date (Cooper’s singularity/quantum data) or even the conceptual model for this. I’m not trying to demean what you are saying though, I respect your point of view & your arguments.
@Gab: “I don’t know what you’re talking about when you say “real world”. It’s just an unnecessary construction to me.”
So “reality” has now joined “God” as an “unnecessary construction”?
Laplace on not mentioning God in his book on astronomy: “Je n’avais besoigne de cette hypothese” (I had no need of that hypothesist”).
I am uneasy about that sort of confident extrapolation: I think “that way madness lies”. I feel the same way about your mention of Popper: that one cannot prove a hypothesis but one can easily disprove it.
“Karl Popper noted that you can never be sure that a scientific theory is true, but you can easily check that it’s false.”
Speaking as a former lab-bench scientist who has done experiments both to prove and to disprove certain hypotheses, and known experimentalists doing similar things in different branches of science, I would say there is no difference: it needs as much experimental work and takes as much discussion to “falsify” an hypothesis as to “truthify” one (with acknowledgment to Frank Wilczek for the verb, “to truthify”).
Sometimes a single observation can “truthify” an hypothesis; because of this Problem of Universals that has preoccupied great minds from Plato and Aristotle to Maxwell and Wilzcek: why is it that, when you have seen one electron, you have seen the lot? At a higher level of complexity, the question, “why do creatures breed each according to their kind?” reduces into the question, “Why do the codon molecules ATGU contain similar atoms in similar conformation?”
@Srbalj: no problem, these kind of discussion are often fruitful. And I never felt I grasped the whole subject with complete clarity… these are philosophical problems that I really struggle with, in an Odyssean neverending intellectual journey that can be sometimes encouraging, but often painful. So thank you for your insights anyway!
(ps. I’m a double-degree guy: engineering and philosophy).
@Deplorable PHD: “So “reality” has now joined “God” as an “unnecessary construction”?
Laplace on not mentioning God in his book on astronomy: “Je n’avais besoigne de cette hypothese” (I had no need of that hypothesist”).”
Exactly like that.
Also Kant had expressed something similar (and he was a devoted Christian). Even Leibniz sometimes embraces this point of view (in his private writings, because in the public ones he apparently felt he couldn’t, quite understandably because he was often way more extreme than Kant in expressing his points and that could bring him political problems).
I’d like to point out that deeming God as an “unnecessary construction” doesn’t traditionally come from evil atheist scientists: it comes directly from the religious sphere, where many scholars were trying to derive the concept of God with pure rationality (from S. Thomas and Abelardus to Kant and Leibniz).
“Reason vs. faith” is just a more modern imposture.
But…sorry, I’m wandering off…
About “truthify”, I don’t know what it exactly means… but I don’t want to disqualify that notion. I know that the Popper’s perspective has been criticised, so there may be some other consistent interpretations. If you have some materials/links to suggest, I’d check them with pleasure. Thank you.
Explain this to me, mr. Materialist.
I have seen ghosts at night, including a bright white orb, many times. Hallucinations? Could be.
One night when i got out of my bed to go to the toilet, something “bumped” into my face, it felt like plastic fingers. Hallucination? Next morning i found my bank card on the floor while clearly remembering i put it on the wardrobe.
Fred, that was excellent.
How does your theory apply to human societies and economies, which are collectively as complex as any cell?
This ia the best article I’ve read in quite a while. It had alternating between laughs and amens. Now if Mr. Reed can get that guy, oh what’s his name? You know the skinny balding dude who talks of useless eaters while hanging around with Klaus Schwab … Dr. Harari ..yeah, get him to read this.
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Oh, but hariri does understand. He is, not just like all his crowd but science since the so called enlightenment, in thrall to its polar opposite, the god complex of small boys pulling legs off frogs.
Gallileo, one of the enlightenments forefathers, was incarcerated not for heliocentricity but for the same view as hariri, for his statement that the universe and all in it should be stretched out on an operating table and dissected until it was fully understood.
Einstein’s only great discovery that will stand the test of time is the cosmological constant, that irritating specifc and random number that needs to be inserted into the theory of general relativity to make the equations work. The inexplicable prerequisite. Whatever else the equations describe, only this peculiar, required insertion from outside the rationality of the equation, or dissecting table, is true to reality.
It is that inexplicable external constant that Fred implies must exist. It is this external what hariri denies exists. It is what has been so wrong in enlightenment thinking.
Interestingly, the fundamental unarticulated reason why the enlightenment west is arrayed against Russia today is not just economic or political or territorial but because, in re-finding its faith, that belief in the inexplicable external constant, it is the first country to officially repel enlightenment thinking. Because Russia has re-found this, all other errors within the economic, political, legal spheres that are extrusions of the enlightenment, must also be discarded and are being.
The real horror of the west at Russia is that, so far out on the enlightment pontoon of death as the west is, they know that a big wave of truth has arrived.
Well said. I like the way you tied the essay to the metaphysical differences that now exist between Russia and “The West”.
‘I do not doubt that lab folk have proved that it happens. I just don’t think it is possible. Unless something is going on that we don’t understand.’
Many things happen and are proven to happen the precise details and mechanisms of which are not fully understood. Individual acceptance of the possibility of such happenings seems unlikely to change their occurrence. They’ll go right on happening just the same.
If astonishment or even disbelief encourages further investigation, then it may be worthwhile. Otherwise, I don’t quite see the point, except perhaps as a way to ignore demonstrable realities that one would rather not face.
This whiffs of scientism. The history of science is replete with examples of a simple principle overturning then assimilating what remains of an established dogma. While science is a methodology, the interpretation of the results is limited by what has been ascertained. To be fair, I think you have missed Fred’s point(s), and I would suggest a persual of Gregory Chaitin’s work to clarify the issue, should it remain opaque.
Scientism or not, I was merely agreeing with the author’s own contention that some things do happen that “we don’t understand.” Of course, if a lack of complete understanding then defines what is “impossible”, I guess that also makes lots of things impossible.
Unfortunately, such word redefinitions and the resulting lack of any commonly understood semantics also makes any kind of rational discussion (scientific or otherwise) nearly impossible. My mistake. Sorry. I’ll just drop it.
Please, don’t apologise, it looks like I got hold of the wrong end of the stick!
When Fred uses the word “impossible”, he seems to mean that the appropriate description is completely and obviously inapplicable to the thing in question; he also seems to imply that the description is wrong and/or beyond our ken: if wrong, we might rectify the matter, and if beyond us, then we might extend our capabilities, but neither is guaranteed. It’s an interesting notion. I doubt whether he simply means “not possible” and is being rhetorically provocative (as we expect!).
Btw. love your wordplay!
Regards, Seamus.
@Arvy: “Sorry. I’ll just drop it”
Please don’t. I liked what you said. And it provoked a good comment from Seamus.
“From friction comes the spark that lights the fire”. — Primaeval technological wisdom.
“Only connect” — EM Forster, circa 1920.
“It is not necessary to agree on basic principles in order to have a productive conversation about basic principles”. — Karl Popper, circa 1970.
diethyl-polywannacrackerene? I knew Fred was good but that takes a kind of genius.
Wonderful column.
How about a real name, which has a graceful rhythm to it:
cyclo-pentano-perhydro-phenantrene ——- base molecule of cholesterol and other steroids… if I remember from my highschool days..
@Fanto, yes that has a graceful rhythm. I like the lilt of Glycos-amino-glycans, a word which my wife brought home from work. I tried it as a Scrabble word but there isn’t enough room on the board.
Well that was fun Fred. You are not as ignorant as you pretend to be. If I read you right you are really poking fun at the narrow Cartesian bourgeois paradigm of science. For a horrible minute I thought you were going to start poking fun at our most holy of holies Charles Darwin.
What you call a theory of impossibility I call a theory of consciousness. About a week ago I had the pleasure of watching a documentary on Netflix. It was about scientific research into consciousness itself. Damn good documentary. Radical to the core. That was why it was on late at night. Highlights were:
Consciousness is not a product of material biology. To attempt to explain consciousness itself as a product of material and biological evolution is counter to science. It just cannot be done. The documentary studied human experience of higher states of consciousness and ended up with the clear understanding that pure consciousness is the initial starting point and all phenomena in finite existence is a manifestation of pure consciousness. Consciousness precedes biology.
Metaphysics?
This means evolution did not produce consciousness. But evolution is a product of consciousness. How else can science assimilate the reality of the Big Bang that created the universe? The universe itself is a manifestation of a creative subjectivity that preceded the universe itself. That is the real modern science.
Science itself now proves the existence of a Creator. Oh God. How do we avoid denial here? So scary for our little ego bound minds.
Well I once had the pleasure of being a student of an enlightened master who had a PhD in physics. This was all easily laid out by him. The universe we see is a conscious manifestation of divine subjectivity. He called it transcendent Being. Hence evolution is a product of intelligent design. Evolution is the means by which divine consciousness enjoys its own playfulness. And we are all totally safe inside this. Well this is science for me, but it does obviously require an openness to universality. Universality = impossibility in your model perhaps.
Also in this documentary was scientific research demonstrating that plants have feelings and consciousness. And they talk to each other through their root systems. Experiments were done in Australia to prove this. The science was not critiqued, just the fact that “it could not be so. Our minds will not allow it.”
So I see our culture embroiled in an ongoing civil war regarding what actually is science. It is in fact a class war. It is really a war of scientific paradigms. That between the Cartesian mechanistic paradigm of the ruling bourgeois capitalist class, which is rigorously imposed without question in all of the Western universities. This paradigm is mechanistically materialistic and refuses to allow for any dimension of transcendence, particularly in the realm of consciousness. It is a fortress of egoism disguised as science. The capitalist class use this paradigm as a blunt instrument, as it validates their own spiritual emptiness.
Every civilization in history produces its own culturally specific science. Each culture has its own paradigm that explains life and how we fit into it. The only one that denies the non material dimension is the paradigm created by the Western European Bourgeoisie. It is unique in this absurdity. That denial however is not based on science itself. The denial of transcendence that characterizes our ruling paradigm is an a priory psychological assumption that is never itself tested scientifically. UNTIL NOW.
Fred I see you as a revolutionary critic of this bullshit posing as an uneducated fool. Cute, and by golly you can make it work.
However, much to the chagrin of the exponents of this ruling paradigm, science itself has moved so far beyond this sick and narrow cosmology. Science does not stay still. It evolves and has now reached the point where it is now possible for humanity to cognize a scientific paradigm that has the capacity to leave the ruling bourgeois capitalist class in the dustbin of history. Intellectually and scientifically speaking.
But what is not allowed is the various component proofs of this new science being collated and presented to the public in an integrated manner. So the fiction is allowed to persist that the original paradigm still reigns supreme. Now that is definitely political.
I call this new paradigm “Holistic” This is a terror word for the establishment when it comes to science.
Essentially it says as the documentary laid out – Science can now validate the presence of limitless pure transcendent consciousness as the primal causal ground state of all things. From which it purposefully manifests creation. Contemporary cosmological research makes all of this spectacularly clear and logical, to the point where science can now honestly recognize that the universe and our place in it is clearly a product of loving intelligence.
But who among us needs to say that is what Fred means when he says “impossible?” So scary for the ego mind bound inside finite matter. But how can you have a real science that does not take into account the transcendent basis of human consciousness? Impossible. Only for those who need to rule over us.
Science is political.
Where i get hung up in this understanding is in the notion that the emanating consciousness is “loving.” Most of what is discussed and displayed in this site and so many other organs of dissemination is about the violence and horror that a few gears in the whole impossible thing visit upon the rest of us at the macro level. And so much in my own life and what I know of the lives of others reflects a micro-scale infliction of pain and death. So it’s impossible to know where and in what form or formlessness this consciousness is, from inside the living structure, but we humans seem to have the ability to invent the notions of good and evil, comfort and pain. Yet so many of us humans, like the Azov creatures at one scale, and the looting class and the overarching political structures at the macro scale, foment and foster and inflict violence and pain and destruction. I don’t see osteoblasts and osteoclasts in this. I’m sure it’s just that my consciousness just is not large enough to comprehend or “grok” in the hippie language, this seeming contradiction that has troubled me since as a young person of 15 or so, participant in the Presbyterian catechism, I came across the postulate that “If God is God, he isn’t good. If God is good, he isn’t God.” I can;t accept the notion that for example, the horror that is Ukraine can in any way be the product of an omnipotent and kindly divine spirit. Hard stuff to be ruminating over, late in life. Not sure Impossibility Theorem offers an answer other than “It’s too big to know.” In operational analysis terms, what is the end state? The little I know of theology and philosophy seems to have a lot of words but no answers to “the problem of pain” and why fear and horror are major products of the complexities that are political economies.
@JtmcPhee
“The problem of Pain” is the First Noble Truth my friend. An ancient doctrine and discipline is based on the eradication of this condition inherit in all sentient beings.
Sometimes, the act of granting “free-will” to those who are created requires God to permit things to happen that He does not approve of. Otherwise, it is not free-will. In the end, those who freely chose to do evil things will be judged. And those who freely chose to do good will be rewarded.
Roger,
free-will ultimately results in the logical problem of evil posited by, for example Epicurus (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/).
A more constrained Deity would, probably, be a more thoughtful belief https://human.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Philosophy/Philosophy_of_Western_Religions_(Levin_et_al.)/03%3A_ATTRIBUTES_OF_GOD/3.02%3A_What_Type_of_God_is_it_Rational_to_Believe_in
“God can take many forms and have many traits. It is entirely rational to believe that a limited God exists, that is, one that can only do things that are rationally possible and is capable of being understood, as there is nothing about this God’s traits that are inherently irrational. It is when infinite traits are ascribed to a deity that we run into problems maintaining a rationally consistent understanding of the God and the universe. The goal of many religious philosophers has been to describe a system that understands the traits of God as both internally consistent and consistent with what we understand about ourselves and the world. I will argue that for the sake of consistency, one can only maintain a single infinite trait that is traditionally ascribed to God, for if others are introduced, the result is a contradiction between the traits themselves or serious difficulties for what we understand to be the reality of the universe. Believing in more than one infinite trait would thus be irrational; this isn’t to say that people shouldn’t hold such beliefs, but being irrational is a very strong reason to be said against keeping them.”
Do you imagine “free will” exists in Heaven where, apparently, there will be neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain.
Its not quite clear if yourself believe in the reference you make. But I see both the author and most commentators go wrong.
Its impossible to understand anything by the microscope as the universe are one single interconnected plasma controlling and holding itself together.
We can only understand our world from God’s place in heaven and down. https://st4.depositphotos.com/5394272/22960/v/1600/depositphotos_229600964-stock-illustration-layers-earth-atmosphere-education-infographics.jpg
When you understand how the stars, sun, moon, earth, milkway, spheres function together, you start to understand how the earth interact with us, thus we end with the logical and obvious conclusion that we humans must adapt us to our universe, and any attempt to control it will end up in sh.t.
When we adapt us we say we live with God, when we try to control the creation we do the devils work.
My free-will on earth gives me the freedom to choose between thinking and doing good and evil. However, if and when I finally choose to serve God and not to sin anymore, because I am human I still sometimes sin even when I do not want to. It’s known as the “human condition.”
Being in heaven gives me the continued ability to follow through with my decision already made back on earth to serve God. The difference is that I will no longer be subjected to my fleshly passions and be tempted to sin as I was when still on earth. I will still have free-will, but without the sin.
I may still have tears in heaven, but they will be tears of joy, rather than of sorrow. Those in heaven neither hunger nor thirst. And they will not be given in marriage as they will be as the angels in heaven. I suspect that those who do not go to heaven will not be missed as they will probably not be remembered by anyone. Being in heaven means that all we need will be provided by God Himself. Whatever it was that prompted us to sin on earth will be absent in heaven.
“Whatever it was that prompted us to sin on earth will be absent in heaven.”
Indeed – this magical “Whatever” can, apparently, be added/taken away at the Creator Deities whim. As you say, your Deity will have changed the operating conditions there so as you are no longer tempted.
Of Course the question arises as to why the Deity created temptation conditions on earth (which it, apparently, foreknew every human would fail to pass) if it knows that by re-instating similar test conditions in Heaven would make it practically certain (by the operation of your continued free-will) that you would re-affront it again.
All this Deity needs do is re-introduce some arbitrary temptation there and call it an offence (sin) to give in to it and you will be in the same predicament as you were on earth as your free-will leads you up the garden path once more.
Don’t count on such a bizarre Creator providing you an easy way into the the following follow-up Heaven as it introduces a new 2 strikes policy.
Snow Leopard,
“…pure consciousness is the initial starting point and all phenomena in finite existence is a manifestation of pure consciousness. Consciousness precedes biology.”
Wow. That’s advaita in a nutshell!
How on earth did the documentary makers come up with that gem?
Hello Again Steve: Studying psylocibin and indigenous religious wisdom. And then drawing supportive evidence from brain scans etc. The biological research into plant consciousness was most enlightening. Thing was it was an official American University research project, with a German scientist research leader. One mistake on my part – it was not Netflix. It was broadcast TV. So the science is really moving forward. No wonder they had to show the documentary after midnight. The thing I get enthusiastic about is that it advances a verifiable paradigm that undercuts bourgeois capitalist ideology and supports a spirit based socialist paradigm. Potentially at least.
That’s why I argue that science is political.
“That’s why I argue that science is political.”
Indeed it is SL.
And nowhere more so than in evolutionary biology where the cult of individualism (with a strong whiff of eugenics) gained traction through the work of WD Hamilton that led to the selfish gene nonsense of Dawkins. Dawkins admitted that his work had inspired social darwinism, even though he was not so inclined himself.
Plants are not conscious. They do not reason. They have no will.
They are aware. Some of them can smell herbivores coming. They communicate. But they are not conscious.
Consciousness is the preserve of humanity. We exhibit it on behalf of the rest of creation, we blossom with it as the flower on the upper branches of the rest of creation.
Consciousness expressly manifests that we might objectively conclude, as the article obliquely concludes, that our surroundings are the product of a higher being and, on behalf of all creation, to praise Him.
Proper Gander: I agree with your distinctions regarding consciousness. Perhaps awareness is a more appropriate term as you suggest.
One thing that sticks in my mind is the section of Job where he’s asking God why He let all those terrible things happen to him. And God says, essentially, how dare you think you can understand me?
As for evolution, it doesn’t need to be an either-or answer. It seems to me, reverently, that God could have used any old method he darn well pleased.
But He didn’t. God created man complete and then breathed into the lifeless body the breath of life.
There was no Big Bang. The entire idea is built on idiotic premises such as:
1. “The further an astronomical object is from us, the faster it is receding from us!” (scientists decided that a redshifted object is both far away and moving away, but there is no foundation for either conclusion. There are galaxies with a highly redshifted half and a connected, not redshifted half, but if you mention those galaxies, you’ll just be removed from the scientific society or killed).
2. “The cosmic microwave background is uniform, which must imply that it was created in the Big Bang!” (two problems with this: first, it’s not even provably uniform; the measured “cosmic microwave background” is nothing but a bad photoshop job and an even worse fourier transform job, and you cannot ever ask to see the raw data; second, the logic is idiotic, since a uniform cosmic microwave background would imply a boundless, relatively uniform and static universe much more readily than a bizarre “big bang” universe).
To begin a very basic introduction into actual cosmology, it is good to start with the (incomplete and often flawed, but still excellent) sources of Electric Universe theory (Thunderbolts Project on YouTube) and Pierre-Marie Robitaille’s work.
How do we avoid denial here?
How do you know that you are not the creator just dreaming this up? Let there be light and there was. After all, It’s entirely possible you will awake tomorrow with a belief that you are an ancestor simulation.
As far as the the ruling bourgeois capitalist class goes the Russian income tax regime takes a massive leap from 13% to 15% for those earning over 5 million rubles per year. It’s a regular Nirvana for all.
@Snow Leopard: “How else can science assimilate the reality of the Big Bang that created the universe? The universe itself is a manifestation of a creative subjectivity that preceded the universe itself. That is the real modern science.”
Big Bang theory in a nutshell:
“In the beginning God said, Let there be Light, and there was LIGHT!!!”
A searing flash of ultra-powerful ultra-hot radiation, created God alone knows how, from which — as the light continued to radiate outwards and cooled according to the Law of thermodynamic expansion — God’s own Light condensed into our so-called fundamental particles such as electrons “each according to its kind”. And from such identical fundamental particles (atoms) were made “the dust of the Earth” — the chemical elements hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, iron “each according to its kind”. And from the red (Adom) iron oxide that colours “the dust the earth” (Adamah) the Lord God created humankind (Adam) “according to its kind”.
The modern physicist Frank Wilzcek has published some very nice popular books and videos on this fundamental question which preoccupied Plato and Aristotle: “How is it that the Laws of Nature manages to produce so many “fundamental particles” (ie, nameable objects such as a rabbit or an electron) all with the same property? For instance, how is it that if you’ve seen one electron you’ve seen the lot?
For a more complicated class of objects, an 18th century biologist in Europe was shown a duck-billed-platypus from Australia. His first reaction was: “There’s no such animal.” Then the biologist made an immediate and accurate prediction (even though Statistical Theory says a single observation has Confidence Value of zero). The biologist said confidently: “There must be more like that where it came from; because only one rabbit is no more rabbits but only two rabbits is many more rabbits”. Animals, like electrons, come “each according to its kind”.
According to Wilczek, one of the few physicists who pondered both problems — first “Let there be LIGHT” and second, “each according to its kind” (and even mentions Plato) 19th century mathematical physicist Maxwell concluded that accumulation of errors (mentioned by Fred above) would make it physically impossible to manufacture so many identical electrons or atoms “each according to its kind”. And yet this is done all around us; so Maxwell concludes that Man manufactures but God is the greatest manufacturer.
(Though Wilzcek says he knows how it is done: the Laws of the Electric Field simply can’t do anything else than create mathematically identical electrons, and the Laws of a couple of dozen other ChromoDynamic Fields can’t help but create different mathematical sets of identical particles, “each one according to its own kind”. That, according to Wilczex, is A Beautiful Idea. The mathematical perfection of fundamental Laws — which Plato says can only come from the Mind of God who alone is perfect — might be the answer to Fred’s humorous conundrum of how it is statistically impossible to assemble many fundamental particles into such highly complex machinery as living creatures operate with.)
Very good Deplorable PhD: “God said let there be light” As good a way to put it in short hand as any I have seen. I have been taught, I believe wisely, that this “light” is in fact truth. Truth is a knowingness one attains by having one’s consciousness integrated into the light of God. Many call that attaining higher more cosmic states of consciousness.
All this modern fuss about science could do itself well to recall that the original founders of Western science were interested in it for its ability to discern the mind of God. Science being a pursuit of Truth, which was wisely seen to be a property of the divine mind of God. Therefore science = truth = mind of God. Ours is the quest.
The modern scientific quest to discern and co create with the mind of God has a lot to do with science becoming a replacement for religion which was a result of the conflict in Europe between Catholics and Protestants which ripped the culture to pieces and forced it to seek an alternative to religion. So the religious quest was replaced by the scientific quest.
I read a fascinating book that described the Christian quest for the perfection of man as being the foundation of modern science. So do you see a convergence process underway in our culture for the integration of science and spirituality? I do. And I am inclined to think that convergence has a lot to do with empowering our evolution beyond ego bound capitalism. This in my view is what makes science so political.
Your thoughts?
yup liking this. Check out scientific and medical network…..exploring this kinda thing.
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Oh dear…predictable….given the known ingredients of life and the universe plus its age….life is no more than a mathematical probability . If a god was a thing..it couldn’t possibly be as evil as the one worshipped here on this planet…can’t speak for the other billions of habitable planets though
What was the name of the Netflix docu you reference? I am totally on board with your perspective. Consciousness is primary. All else is derivative. You might be interested in the work of Bernardo Kastrup. With PhD’s in Comp Sci and Philosophy, he a leading proponent of the metaphysics of Idealism. I have learned a lot from his books and extensive youtube library.
Bob H. My mistake. It was not a Netflix documentary. It was a late night PBS documentary.
I have studied college level immunology, genetics and virology. I taught myself cytology on my own.
And I have come to the conclusion:
A couple of nights I have lain awake in bed thinking. “We have this staggering mystery here and scientists are not even talking about it.”
They are talking about it. There have been some really very profound discoveries and admissions over the last decade.
The problem is that right at the point where curiosity and discovery should be rendering us immobile with wonder, a sort of submission to truth and a re-alignment with the wisdom of the past, we enter a period of maximum denial and maximum death.
On Magonia, the planet I come from, we discovered that DNA is a radio and the physical world of life is a song powered by the sun played by the radio. The signal broadcasts from a place beyond space and time, and the song is tuned in and played by and through the DNA. That’s how it all can work, just like a song on the radio plays in your mind and your mind is illuminated with understanding of life. QED
Very nice Mr. Reed. Good stuff indeed. Well done for a human.
How about a real name, which has a graceful rhythm to it:
cyclo-pentano-perhydro-phenantrene ——- base molecule of cholesterol and other steroids… if I remember from my highschool days..
“well done for a human”
and I may add, that Artificial Intelligence (AI) will arrive and trump the human – when it discovers humor and wit and beauty.(“BHW”)
“AI” is nothing but a big and incredibly awkward and inflexible excel spreadsheet. Study even a basic course in AI at any real computer science institute and you’ll be disillusioned very soon.
Ово је нешто најбоље што сам прочитао у животу. Свака ти част, човече!
Једино што ти не верујем, то је да се зовеш Фред Рид. Али то није важно.
Поздрав!
This is the best thing I’ve read in my life. Every part of you, man!
The only thing I don’t believe in you is that your name is Fred Reed. But that doesn’t matter.
Greeting!
Fred writes this vor min. 15 years now. It’s more a summary of his articles.
His article “Understanding economic” is my favourite in another field.
Aqui em casa temos dois gatos, um deles não tem nome e o outro se chama Fred. Ao ler o texto, descobri uma relação de causa e efeito entre o autor e nosso gato mas posteriormente a perdi no meio do m3 de engrenagens explicativas. Alguns diriam que eu estava me socorrendo de pensamento mágico. Que falta de alcance intelectual.
Peço ao Fred ( não o meu gato), um para mim importante esclarecimento… depois de muito pensar, concluí que o surgimento do universo ocorreu em 19 de outubro de 1960, nâo por acaso a data do meu nascimento.o que me definiria como creacionista. Por aqui, alguns estão me chamando de maluco e narcisista, mas não conseguem refutar esta tese com argumentos válidos. O que você acha?
Here at home we have two cats, one of them has no name and the other is called Fred. When reading the text, I discovered a cause and effect relationship between the author and our cat but later I lost it in the middle of the m3 of explanatory gears. Some would say I was relying on magical thinking. What a lack of intellectual reach.
I ask Fred (not my cat), an important clarification for me… after much thought, I concluded that the emergence of the universe occurred on October 19, 1960, not by chance the date of my birth. as a creationist. Around here, some are calling me crazy and narcissistic, but they can’t refute this thesis with valid arguments. What do you think?
This is easily refuted: the universe clearly began on Dec 29, 1959 (my birthday). You are merely a figment of my imagination, and I am not narcissistic, but I am maybe a little solipsistic.
Wow, Mr. Reed, you sure are a treasure. I am not a member of the church itself, but you might find Science and Health by Mary Baker Eddy to be very interesting.
Fred, some friends and I, on a paradise beach, developed the Theory of Imbecility! I don’t really remember the surprising statements, maybe I had to go back in time and take a whole huge range of substances to get a new brain kartase, and remember… I have to do this! Thanks for the magnificent text!
Fine essay Mr Fred!
Considering assumptions about brain size and intellectual capacity, it seems impossible that a parrot can use language in a self-aware way. But not only parrots, many birds do. See>https://youtu.be/ldYkFdu5FJk
We, here at Anoxia, only partially in jest, speak of the creatures being linked by spooky action at a distance, the “the EPR effect” you wrote of, I suppose, though “magic” would do as well.
Do you believe the universe is made-up from ‘particles’?
Materialism Is Baloney.
The universe is actually made of particles of baloney.
Ha Ha!
Esp. the Western Universe.
Evolution is the biggest con ever played on humanity and the most asinine theory ever devised.
The advent of DNA and an understanding of how the process of genetics works should have immediately put an end to this ridiculous theory, but the need for the secular alchemists to forward Newton’s ‘world as a machine’ theory and the dedication to a Godless genesis have deluded people and kept breath in this dead corpse for over a century.
The ideas in this article are based on the assumption that the Universe is a puzzle to be solved. It is not. You can sing it, you can dance it but you can not solve it. Science merely pushes back the frontiers of our ignorance.
This article is essentially about the meaning of the word impossible, about the meaning of the word meaning and about the meaning of the word word.
The way to Truth is Direct Perception not theorizing. Intellectuals talk a lot but they are not serious.
For every PHD there is an equal and opposite PHD.
The main problem for each individual and for mankind is the ending of suffering. Verbal masturbation such is found in this article does not take even 1 step toward the ending of suffering. This dude is very surface,
I think the article is saying the opposite to what you inferred. It is loaded with irony throughout.
Second biggest (after Covid).
Read some Stuart Kaufman. He asks the same question and poses many explanations. Fascinating stuff.
Complexity science is very interesting.
The problem with science is that it is only speech and does not represent the Truth.
There are as many truths as speeches.
The only thing that validates a speech is its coherence and not its truth.
The Truth will remain a mystery for us, poor humans, who believe they know everything.
The notion of truth, according to Alexandre Grothendieck (excuse me, it’s in French)
https://youtu.be/irNEJwh2_No
There are few things more unfortunate, and pitiful, than “intellectuals”. Tangled into, and in awe of, your own fantasies, theories and the impressive combinations of words you put together. Often unable to actually see the real world, or to even experience it.
Words invariably bind.
In the Lord of the Rings, there is the following exchange, which I managed to find online so that I didn’t have to paraphrase the quote…
‘Halflings!’ laughed the Rider that stood beside Éomer. ‘Halflings! But they are only a little people in old songs and children’s tales out of the North. Do we walk in legends or on the green earth in the daylight?’
‘A man may do both,’ said Aragorn. ‘For not we but those who come after will make the legends of our time. The green earth, say you? That is a mighty matter of legend, though you tread it under the light of day!’
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Impossibilities and legends run rampant on our planet, and precious few people give any consideration to the excruciating, mind-ruining level of detail that is encompassed in every single object around us, and nigh-infinitely moreso in the functional organisms we encounter on a daily basis, some of which are even sapient! (to one degree or other…)
For interesting reading on impossibilities in the world, I recommend Douglas Axe’s “Undeniable”, Stephen Meyer’s “Signature in the Cell”, David Berlinski’s “The Devil’s Delusion”, and for connected reading on the thoroughly confused state of the modern sciences, Sabine Hossenfelder’s “Lost in Math”, Peter Woit’s “Not Even Wrong”, Lee Smolin’s “The Trouble with Physics”, and a book I just picked up lately, “Metaphysical Experiments” by Bjorn Ekeberg. Sometimes the reading can get a little dense, but a determined layman can work their way through these things if they choose to. Axe and Meyer are Christians, Berlinski and the rest agnost to atheist, but Berlinski’s the honest type of agnost, the kind who admits to possibilities beyond our limited understanding.
Good reading for those wanting to investigate impossibilities in our world. Some might go as far as to call them miracles.
Fred, the Indian mystics had a crack at these creation/complexity problems, at least 5000 years ago!
They came up with these source powers of consciousness and Eternal Awareness!
http://theuniversechallenge.org/theory%20of%20everything.htm
The reason there is a rise in articles like this is because there is a general disconnect between people and the scientific method. I have people (for real) telling me that “We don’t really know how computers work” exact words. I learn to program when i was 9, 41 years ago, and have coded in about 2 dozen languages. I’ve worked in IT for my whole life building up banking system and built Mux\demux stuff for fun. We know EXACTLY how this stuff work, but to some it’s magic. This personal actually tried to use religion to convince me that Computers were fundamentally evil too, something something bill gates. Be we built those mosfets, we know what we’re doing with CPU’s despite the impossibly small size.
The fact is, science has explained near on everything over the course of the past few hundred years and the human mind is still the same as it was when were to konking rocks on heads. We may be for many reaching the limits of what a person could reasonably grasp. This fog of doubt for most of humanity would be largely dispelled just by reading a nice easy to consume book called The A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. Thats a very broad crash course on science. Couple that with The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins which I find excellent at understanding society and intersexual dynamics of all things.
It’s perfect that the author highlighted the specific areas where any unknown even exists as that the only place where you can point and say “Look there is stuff we don’t know!”. Given that we have most put together this stuff over the past few hundred years reconsider this theory of impossibility in the context of civilisation lasting say 100,000 years then wonder, is understanding this stuff REALLY going to be unknown?
Just look at the rate of change of development. As a 50yo, in my teens I thought technology was too slow. Now, it’s too fast. But, I have to remind myself that it’s not my perception that’s change, rather the actual rate of development is increasing, it’s not linear. So, chances are, we won’t need 100k years to discover the answer to every question we could possibly ask today. Chances are, 100% of all questions will be known within a human lifetime. What I consider a safe guarantee however is that we will just dig up more questions.
The Author is generating a philosophy of ignorance. Please feel free to go ahead, but many of us will consider it to be about as useful as musing on the ‘thoughts of god as weather patterns’ by a 14th century peasant.
Guys, please remember that Science, as corrupted as we might consider the cardinals of science to be, science is really nothing more than putting ideas to tests to see how things work. Science only make progress by disproving as much as possible and finding out what can’t be disproved.
Since nobody mentioned Plato’s cave I’ll assume that all reality is an illusion is still off the table. That’s a better discussion for a different forum. What we know is that reality exist, it’s consistent and has high fidelity and granularity.
Discussion of ‘consciousness’ are really difficult because we have been mostly unable to even define where the edges are. How stupid of an animal is still ‘conscious’ for example, Orangutan’s are smarter than some humans after all. The discussion of consciousness has remarkable implications for AI, as what we have today is not AI, and as a life long IT person I doubt the current direction will ever produce AI. It’ll very soon produce something which is a simulation of a human, with enough randomness added in to make it not entirely predictable, but, if it’s just code, it’s just code, and a neural net with machine learning is really just code, but data led. Again, a simulation of consciousness as real as a 3d render is compared to reality. 3d renders are already hard to separate from reality, but it’s still a simulation.
Consider the difference between knowing and understanding. Knowing is distributed among a large number of individuals and over time. It is essentially a long sequence of instructions which must be in exact order and to a sufficiently accurate scale for the result to happen as determined by the market. No one person can ‘understand’ a computer in the sense that he can build it, not even a dozen but the claim of understanding is the cornerstone of all science. That understanding is really a hypothetical description and importantly does not require proof by actual demonstration.So one person can claim he understands say cosmology but that understanding lacks instructions for achieving such a result. Another person can claim a different understanding with equal result.
That is an essential difference between science and technology. The motivation is fairly obvious.
I think what you are saying is merely that because one person cannot know everything that we use different definitions. Understanding is how our brains interpret inputs. We write things down and can read each others shared thoughts, and gain understanding of what others have discovered.
” No one person can ‘understand’ a computer in the sense that he can build it,”
I would suggest that this is completely wrong, unless the point is to dump a naked individual in to a forest and say ‘start building a Mac’. Then sure. Apart form that I’m not sure why creating a special definitions for communal projects is useful? A very simple computer can be constructed from simple components, all of the first computers were built this way. They we added complexity and started needing more people to make it more complex. If even today if we really wanted to we could build an analogue computer easily at home, providing your rules allowed me to buy wires and other items. If not, then we could build mechanical computers as we did often hundreds of years ago, unless you also want to define a minimum for what a ‘computer’ is. See how silly the concept gets. Too many shades of grey to get anything useful out of the idea.
I learn to code when I was 8 in 1980. Over the years I’ve build dozens of PC’s from parts. If you asked me to build a mosfet I’d have to go read a book, but have no doubt I could work that out too. A CPU is just a big stack of mosfets and memory in essence. The only limit I feel I have is time. I built my own house, PC and 3d games with ~60,000 lines of code. When I was a kid I would build my own circuit boards. Some people like really complicated things.
Science (as practiced) deals in reducing everything to particles and reconstruction the whole while keeping the tabulator going and thus understanding the whole.
This works for only very simple systems- things like the simplest physics, and mechanics.
In fact, more complex systems, even things like fluid flow and, most certainly, biology and consciousness defy this approach, save to the extent that their mass properties are simple statistics of the particulate.
There is some aspect of science which uses regression techniques with success on these and other arenas, eschewing the particlulate, but, again, the method is severly limited, this time by linearity.
Science has its powers and science has its place, but it is pretty midling at best in the realm of human knowledge. Inuition, experience, genius, spirituality are all avenues to far greater understanding for the problems that plague humanity the most.
“In fact, more complex systems, even things like fluid flow and, most certainly, biology and consciousness defy this approach, save to the extent that their mass properties are simple statistics of the particulate.”
I think what you are saying is that the universe around you cannot be understood except for the most simple example. Yet you sit in a continuum of scientific development. It started long before your birth, and will continue long after your death. Your statement is based on the context of where you stand today.
If you said the same thing for example in the English Tudor period then you would have ascribed all to god. If you made the same statement early enough then accepting that the world was flat would have been perfectly acceptable. If you made the statement 100 years ago then the concept of splitting light in to micro wavelengths. If you looked at fluid dynamic 100 years from now, then you’ll probably find that cellular automata of sufficient granularity solves the problem entirely, we just don’t have the cpu power.
What frustrates me in this subject is that everyone is sitting around in the context of the year 2020, on enormously powerful PC’s with 6-8 nanometer CPU’s… seemingly impossible development for when we were born, yet here we are. But how many people look ahead and say ‘where will be in 100 years’, or better, ‘where will we be in 10,000 years’. The development right now is NON LINEAR, nobody seem to be noticing, development is getting faster and faster practical repeatable understanding IS increasing and your PC and phone is all the proof you need. Saying ‘but! we still don’t know things!’ is foolish, of course, but will we?
The question here really boils down to where you think humans limits are. When our puny IQ’s are no longer able to deal with it, you’ll be in sorrow to see the rise of superhumans via cybernetics. I hate the idea, but it’s inevitable. People using coprocessors to their brains. Then AI augmentation? What ARE the limits would be a question more along the lines of at what point are the products of science no longer human? Id a 1:1 digital human mind operating at 1 million times the speed of a brain still ‘human’. I’m sure at the time when that digital uploaded mind competes with AI’s the people of the time will says, yes, ‘Not synthetic’.
Leap further forwards. Just a mere 1 million years. What will we KNOW at that point. Assuming we don’t kill the whole race off before then, then we won’t even be recognizable to todays humans.
“science has its place”
I’m going to suggest that the box you are trying to put science in won’t hold to it to your (or even my) satisfaction. Science seems to have NO rules, and if anything I consider it completely out of control. Scifi books have nothing on what lies ahead… all due to that one things we can see occurring. Non linear development.
After a life in IT, and a life long love of particle physics I’m retiring to a farm to grow food and enjoy being disconnected.
I’ll go away now, but will part with a thought. On day, and that day will be close in front of us than the building of pyramids is behind us, we will be able to accurately simulate a whole existence to a level of granularity that will make the occupants of the simulated world unable to tell if they are in a simulation or not. Then they, will be where we are now, asking questions like “why does the universe comply to these rules we see that make no sense.’
Can ants understand biochemistry and physics to the smallest detail? Can birds? Baboons? Chimpanzees?
No? Then why do you think humans are so different that you should be able to understand those things? Systems that people have built, like space rockets, computers or cities, are minuscule and trivial in terms of complexity compared to biology. Sitting in an armchair mulling around (very limited) words and ideas doesn’t elevate you to a grand new level of mental processing or sensory acuity any more than an ant or bird or chimpanzee can try harder to become capable of getting a computer science degree.
I have that degree, and I find great joy in discovery, invention and study, but it is absolutely clear to me that humans, alone or in the billions, cannot build or understand systems with more than a very limited number of moving parts, inputs and uncertainties. And that’s how it should be. It is much more important to rejoice in the world than to try to build some kind of grand theory and complete mapping of it.
“A thing is not necessarily possible merely because it happens.”
I know this is a humorous article but I must stop to protest right here. I think the author got it the wrong way round. If I remember rightly, the great humorist Mark Twain appreciated the joke being played on us mere mortals by The Greatest Humorist: the Great Humorist in the Sky.
“Being impossible never stopped something from really happening” — Mark Twain
Very funny. It happens to some children at around age 13 to 17. They suddenly realize: opening a pizza joint cannot work. Do you know how many pizzas you have to sell in order to pay rent, fees, salaries, insurances, utilities, machines, ingredients–and make net profit? Tens of thousands. So it cannot work. At university level, you learn about debt. So now you figure that pizza business is impossible, but works because of invisible money from nowhere. The business owner exists on tax reductions he gets re-funded by the government, not by selling pizza. What is this all based on? Future work. Wait what? Yeah. Also, you can borrow fictional money against your impossible pizza joint, so you have income. Again, not from selling pizza. After years as a successful businessman, you own 50 such joints that are impossible, and you still have no idea how it works but you have 25m and real estate in 7 European cities. It is implausible, physically impossible. Yet here you are earning even more money but selling 0 pizzas. So in your mind you travel back to your youthful self and whisper him: A pizza joint cannot work, my friend. It is impossible. But once you do it, it works. Because we have no fucking idea how anything really works in life. We just do something and the invisible wheels are turning.
ps Pedants Corner. Some people including myself attributed that Haldane quotation to Eddington, others attribute it to Heisenberg; but the original source has been traced by Terry:
“What J.B.S. Haldane really said:
“I have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything I can imagine. Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.”
Possible Worlds and Other Papers (1927), p. 286
Terry adds: “Similar remarks have been attributed to Eddington but without citation of an original source”. Eddington version:
“The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.”
Finished reading. Refreshing humour on a deeper and more universal level than mere political humour.
“Man has a sense of humour but Allah is the greatest humorist” — with apologies to the original version in The Koran
I think this quote might be appropriate for this post. I just hope I attributed the right person?
“According to the laws of aerodynamics, the bumblebee can’t fly either, but the bumblebee doesn’t know anything about the laws of aerodynamics, so it goes ahead and flies anyway.”
-Igor Sikorsky
Chris, thanks for that quote. Could a reader with aerodynamics background give us some idea of how they think such an un-streamlined fuselage can fly with such tiny shards for wings? Two ridiculous shapes: one bumbly fuselage with maximum aerodynamic drag, on two stumpy wings with minimum aerodynamic lift; it really seems impossible.
This was very well written and explained. Thank you! Of course if one admits to a Creator/Sustainer of infinite intellect things do begin to come into focus. Unfortunately, science can only explain the natural order. And that imperfectly.
The average five-year-old child, believes they know everything, about our universe. The fridge is over there, the TV remote is besides the chair, the car is in the garage, and money falls out of the ATM. What else is there to know? What universal mysteries are you talking about, are you all morons?
However, we live in a complex world. There are 100,000 chemical reactions, happening in every cell in our bodies, every second, and there are 37.2 trillion cells in the human body. We can take one strand of DNA from everyone on the planet, and they will all fit into a walnut shell. But the strands of DNA are created by the quantum information fields, and in our waking dimension, they are barely mists, perhaps not even a stream of hookah pipe smoke, so perhaps these fields can easily fit into the space between two atoms.
Our earth, at the equator, is spinning on its axis, at 1670 kilometres per hour. The earth is also traveling around the sun, at 107,000 kilometers per hour. Our entire solar system is moving at 720,000 kilometres per hour, relative to the centre of the galaxy. But our galaxy is also moving through space, so the sun’s velocity, relative to the cosmic background, is 350 kilometres per second, or 1,332 million kilometres per hour!
There are 100 billion stars in our milky way galaxy, and there are perhaps two trillion galaxies in the observable universe. And yet the Indian yogis say that the entire Multi-Verse, the sum of all the Oceans of universes, can fit into the space, inside the size of a mustard seed.
The average scientist, however, with a measuring tape in his hand, will conclude that it is natural for a complex carbon structure, such as a coal seam, to turn into a jet, carrying a symphony orchestra, on a world tour, to perhaps 100 countries, containing perhaps 1000 languages. And the scientist, with all the certainty of the five-year-old child, will sniff, and claim our world is just matter, in various forms of complexity, subject to random chance, and mutation.
And that is the astonishing ignorance that the human mind, endlessly creates around itself, perhaps due to its fear, that it really knows nothing!
Brilliant article. Thank you! The quantum theory, Goedel’s theorem, Murphy’s, Genetic’s are great sum ups. When I started my studies, at that time there were known less than 20 elementary particles (hadrons, leptons, muons, etc). Six years later when I got my degree in nuclear engineering there were over 80 known elementary particles. Now, I suppose the number is a lot higher (including generation particles) – I don’t know for sure, as I lost interest in that field, but the idea was crystal clear to me: the more you think you know in relative terms, the less you know in absolute terms. At the time when there were only protons, neutrons, electrons and photons, the worlds was a better place to live.
When I was a student, even civil engineering students were taught tensorial analysis, Christoffel factors describing geodesics of surfaces, Bessel and Lagrange polynomials from the second year of study. Nowadays they graduate only knowing how to punch values in FEA programs and designing according to codes, and as for all those mathematical elements mentioned above, they don’t even know how to spell them out.
The deputy commander of the nationalist battalion “Azov” (recognized as banned and extremist in Russia) Svyatoslav Palamar (Kalina) surrendered. War correspondent Dmitry Steshin announced this on his telegram channel.
“Kalina left the Azovstal,” said a familiar fighter. Last night, around 21:00. Now they are working with Kalina, ”Steshin wrote.
Russia had previously launched a special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that her goal is to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from genocide. On April 21, the Russian army completely took control of Mariupol. The nationalists who remained in the city took refuge at the Azovstal plant. On May 18, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that 959 people from the territory of the plant had surrendered. In total, more than 1,700 people left the plant.
Zelensky is planning another “super-successful special operation” to surrender the military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Mykolaiv direction!
Almost all special services and law enforcement agencies of Ukraine cheerfully reported on the most successful special operation in the history of mankind – they persuaded their soldiers to surrender to Azovstal. In addition, the money allocated to the families of the dead and wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has already been laundered and distributed among high-ranking officials and military leaders.
From a close circle in the power structures of Ukraine, we learned that the military-political leadership of the 404 in the near future plans to “crank out” another complicated special operation to transfer its soldiers to the Russian army, but already in the Mykolaiv direction, and military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the amount of 400 people are already preparing to a new life!
This discussion reminds me of an article I read a long ago in the Journal of Irreproducible Results.
“We thought they had no water. And they came out clean, tidy, rather strong young people in uniform, with weapons. They have not exhausted the resource for resistance – they have exhausted the moral and strong-willed resource” – Vladlen Tatarsky about the captured militants of the Azov regiment:
“Ammunition, they had plenty of opportunities to defend themselves. Yes, they were bombed, but there are such catacombs in every building! Some passages, pipes of large diameter, where a person can easily move.
It turned out that there are so many of them [Azovites]! We assumed that there were somewhere between 800-900 people plus 500 wounded. This was an assumption based on interrogations of prisoners back in April. And there were more than 2 thousand of them, now they call 2.5 thousand.
No one wanted to go to Valhalla, did not want to repeat the “feat” of their idol Hitler. They preferred to sit in comfortable buses and go to Rostov, to the pre-trial detention center.”
“The idea that this evolved by random mutation is, if I may use a technical term, nuts. ”
The mutations may (or may not) be random but the mutation selection process is very far from random.
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I have watched, and waited, for decades, for the greatest minds who call themselves Theoretical Physicists to explain the meaning of physical reality. As some have admitted, physics is in trouble. It is stuck because it has lead to contradictions, as for example, the conflict between general relativity and quantum physics, and observations that nothing can travel through space faster than 2,999,000 meters per second, but an entangled particle can affect its partner instantly. This is hand waved as ok, because no information can be transmitted by it.
So what gives? How did we come to a place where the high priests of “reality” don’t really understand reality?
Let’s apply some deductive reasoning and come to an answer. Item 1, is that these theoretical physicists are among the brightest the human species has to offer. I mean, their IQ’s are are in the far right of the bell curve (and I don’t mean to take anything away from musicians and other great minds who have provided real tangible benefits). Item 2, is that understanding reality was going so well until this point (say the 1970s) – from Newton to Lord “there is nothing more to learn” Kelvin to Einstein to the Copenhagen crowd. It seems that the more we learnt, the less we understood. Or to put it another way, for each layer of the onion skin of understanding peeled away, another, more difficult to comprehend layer is revealed.
The question that arises is, why does it take individuals who are at the far right of the IQ bell curve, and who have studied for a decade, to understand (I use that word advisedly) this current layer of onion skin? Why not the average dude? Or, you could ask, what would happen if the IQ bell curve of the human species was shifted a bit to the left? Logic suggest in that case, the current level of understanding would still be at an outer onion skin. Maybe in a species with such an IQ bell curve, cutting edge physics would be at the level of Newton, and they would be scratching their heads trying to figure out why the orbit of Mercury isn’t quite according to theory. And because the concept of general relativity would be beyond the grasp of anyone that species could produce, physics would be said to be in trouble. They would labour year in year out to come up with all kinds of explanations – such as modified gravitational theory for example – to explain this anomaly, but they would always lead to other anomalies somewhere else. In other words, such a hypothetical species would have reached the limit of what could be understood about reality.
Can you guess where I am going with this? We just need one more item to complete the puzzle. I will suggest that the level of intelligence of the human species is arbitrary. That is, it is what it is, but could just as easily have been something else. It could have been higher (or lower) than what it is. Then you have to ask, why should the human species have arrived at exactly the right level of intellect to understand the universe? I have just shown that only those with IQ’s to the far right of the bell curve can get into the current layer of the onion skin. So, isn’t it possible – even probable – that a little bit more intellect is needed to get to the next layer? And maybe there is another layer behind that, requiring an even higher intellect? Perhaps we are beating ourselves to death trying to discover what we do not have the capability to comprehend – and never will.
Hi Fred Reed, it occurs to me that you argue against the theory that scientists have developed a bio weapon designed to kill people according to race. Impossible. Unless some magic is going on. Or perhaps these people get advice directly from God. Thanks for a hilarious read!
“Magic seems a good candidate.”
Intellectually stimulating writing and conveyance of idea.
Hahaha. Very good. Gets to the nut of it.
The view of a Yaqui shaman:
“The world is incomprehensible. We won’t ever understand it; we won’t ever unravel its secrets. Thus we must treat it as it is, a sheer mystery!”
A very amusing piece thankyou Fred. A total body scan is the ultimate meditation…
Imagine a cubic mile of gear wheels as in an old-fashioned Swiss watch. Imagine next to this cubic mile another cubic mile: a cubic mile of gear wheels as in an old-fashioned Soviet army watch. Does there exist in real time a difference between them? Well, at least twice a day both will show the right time, when there no one outside these cubic miles present to read the time and to adjust & wind up the spring.
The old-fashioned Soviet army watch was put together in a time, when supposedly no one was to exist as present outside the mechanism. The old-fashioned Swiss watch however dates back to the Enlightenment era when persons who mattered officially professed a belief in deism. Since those Enlightenment times the Swiss watch has been winded up but no one is supposed to needed anymore trusting the mechanism’s function of showing the right time.
At present however it seems that the old-fashioned Swiss watch has got into disorder, while the old-fashioned Soviet watch on the other hand has undergone a magic repair & update: the gear wheels are turning around as never before, while the gear wheels of the old-fashioned Swiss watch all of a sudden show their age as if the owner suffers from Alzheimer…
The incompleteness of the theory of impossibility is evident :
Cantor’s transfinite succession of infinities describes the process which Leibniz described as “Schlauerwerden,” or, which is the same thing, the creative “transgression of limits” of that which is expressible by the language created by existing knowledge. This process is the equivalent of achieving a new infinity. In that sense, Cantor says the human spirit is infinite. We can show there are infinitely more real numbers than infinite natural integers.
Living systems are in-your-face all-the-time transgressing limits. And Cantor showed that is how the mind works! Surprise, the mind is living!
That shows the impossibility of using mindless Wiener, Neumann, cybernetics, information theory (very posh today) to even approach reality.
Leibniz pointed out that machines built by us, are different than natural machines. He took the example of a wind turbine (really posh today) – it is a machine, yet when one enters it there are only beams, bolts, gears, fixed things. And nowhere will one find a perception.
Natural machines are quite different – no matter how one zooms in there is always more machine, no limit. Leibniz said natural machines are divine machines in this sense.
That means there is no limit to machines that we might build, other than we impose on ourselves.
Forgot to mention politics is the art of the impossible – and Leibniz proposed what we call BRI now in “Novissima Sinica” (1697).
The Empire of Lies deems that impossible – it is immanently possible.
Carlos Castaneda in “The Active Side of Infinity”, the last book he wrote before his death, deals with this conundrum in a poem which I find very moving:
Syntax
A man staring at his equations
said that the universe had a beginning.
There had been an explosion.
A bang of bangs, and the universe was born.
And it is expanding.
He had even calculated the length of its life:
ten billion revolutions of the Earth around the sun.
The entire globe cheered.
They found his calculations to be science.
None thought that by proposing that the universe began,
the man had merely mirrored the syntax of his mother tongue;
a syntax which demands
beginnings, like birth,
and developments, like maturation,
and ends, like death,
as statements of facts.
The man said the universe began,
and it is getting old;
and it will die, like all things die.
The man then died after having confirmed mathematically
the syntax of his mother tongue.
The Other Syntax
“Did the universe really begin?”;
and, “Is the theory of the big bang true?”
These are not really questions, although they sound like they are.
The real question is whether or not
the only syntax that exists
is the syntax that requires,
as statements of fact
“beginnings”, “developments”, and “ends”.
Other syntaxes exist.
There is one which demands
that varieties of intensity be taken as facts.
Within that syntax, “nothing begins” and “nothing ends”.
Therefore, birth, for example, is not a clean, clear-cut event;
but rather, birth is a specific type of intensity;
and so is maturation;
and so is death.
A man of that syntax, looking over his equations,
finds that he has calculated enough varieties of intensity
to say with authority
that the universe never began,
and will never end.
He will conclude that the universe has gone through, is now going through, and will forever go through
endless fluctuations of intensity.
A man of that syntax could very well conclude that the universe itself
is the chariot of intensity,
and that a person can board it
to journey through changes without end.
He will conclude all that, and much more,
perhaps without ever realizing
that he is merely confirming
the syntax of his mother tongue.
Fred, it looks like a strong basis for your Theory of Impossibility is the need for complexity. Simple things are understood so possible.
However, consider the double pendulum. A simple form of this would be a strip of wood, say, a metre long with a cross-bar at the base of say, 600mm forming an inverted T. Suspend this from a pivot such as a nail at the top so it swings freely (about one swing a second, nice and regular). Now pivot a second rod of about 300 mm from one of the arms pf the T so it hangs down like a pointer. Swing the pendulum. And try and predict the motion of the free-swinging pointer. (It is chaotic).
Just 2 levers and 2 pivots. 2 gears are complex by comparison. But an impossible-to-predict path. For sure impossibility exists but does not appear to be a function of complexity (and no, no clue what it does depend on).
super article and very worth posts indeed..hope there are many more…gonna bookmark it. Please peoples do not post SMO ..politics etc here…keep ” pure”…mods please remove such.
Amazing dream recently…admittedly on pneumonia drugs that have halucinatory side effects.
Fire is ice…ice is fire.
Anything (thought object energy action event experience life death )can have extending to infinity hyper-realism sensibilities existences either “side ‘of it…of course way beyond our personal and technological sensing.
both infinite extremeties -“ends” but are not ..are kind magnetic -anti magnetic…..but they can attract each other and are interchangeable with each other ….whether in our limited dimensional sensibilities or the infinite unknown unknowns….threading their way through these accordingly…endlessly .
So I kinda believe fire is ice..ice is fire.
Remember hitchhikers guide….the absolute answer to everything is 42. So that simple ?????postulating and our own speculations- theorising whether inspirational intuitional or logic based sets up its own consciousness that follow and infinitely travel the infinite possibilities of consciousness.
I have read and experienced things events with others and groups beyond our normal or what we percieve are our limited senses.I know they are real. I have heard with others an angel choir responding to our dancing….
Thank you Fred…more more!!??
I leave you with this.Mods can you please allow the whole Essene poem
I speak to you.
Be still
Know I am God.
I spoke to you when you were born.
Be still
Know I am God.
I spoke to you at your first sight.
Be still
Know I am God.
I spoke to you at your first word.
Be still
Know I am God.
I spoke to you at your first thought.
Be still
Know I am God.
I spoke to you at your first love.
Be still
Know I am God.
I spoke to you at your first song.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the grass of the meadows.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the trees of the forests.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the valleys and the hills.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the Holy Mountains.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the rain and snow.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the waves of the sea.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the dew of the morning.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the peace of the evening.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the splendour of the sun.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the brilliant stars.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the storm and the clouds.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the thunder and lightening.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you through the mysterious rainbow.
Be still
Know I am God.
I will speak to you when you are alone
Be still
Know I am God.
I will speak to you through the Wisdom of the Ancients.
Be still
Know I am God.
I will speak to you at the end of time.
Be still
Know I am God.
I will speak to you when you have seen my Angels.
Be still
Know I am God.
I will speak to you throughout Eternity.
Be still
Know I am God.
I speak to you.
Be still
Know I am God.
Thank you. It is still necessary to be able to hear the noise of the Silence (this soft Murmur hidden in your poem) when the din of science blinds us.
thanks for comment. In stillness we sense infinity and all its potential glories…we locate ourselves within the cosmos…conscious and unconscious and subconscious in unity within self and the timeless elsewheres that are actually here with us integrally our very fabric and being…that the I am that I am ..is also us.
I like it!
Speaking of cognition and NATO :
Zakharova said “From the point of view of the logic of the Elysee Palace, everything is clear: the organization, which “lost its brain”, urgently needed new members. Donors?” about Macron😂
Tiny little gears? My what paragraphs you have constructed with tiny individual letters all coupled together to form words.
Amazing and thanks
Cheers
What people don’t want to know is where evolution is coming from, and where it takes you. It starts with the simplest thing, that everything is, just because it is, which is a pagan Epicureanism explanation, the spatially unbounded cosmos without beginning or end. Evolution jumps from this unchanging model of the Epicureans to the Platonic model of change over time. Plato had a god, or gods, who shaped the basic first stuff into things, which is substituted with big-bang and evolutionary cosmological fallout. That’s what evolution means really, is an falling-out-of, it can be interpreted to mean that life, the universe, and everything, just falls out, by evolution! Evolution however defined is the theory that explains everything, of how everything is. This is Plato’s gods, come back to meet us. Of course the developments don’t end there, because nothing can stand still for long, so the doorway opens up to other ideas, however hopeful, such as aliens. This SETI, search for ET intelligence, is that doorway of the Gnostics who plainly see the hands of little gnomes behind every unexplained mystery, ie, the star-seeding of the Demiurge. That thinking chump, the clever hamsters, see immediately that, mutations don’t make. Mutation, as a word, means simply change, so random mutations is interpreted as, random changes, Random change means nothing to people indoctrinated into GMO tomato and fishes, and who accept the divisive operating system updates for their own personal cellular software. These folks recognize right off that a more clever monkey than themselves must be behind things. This is the evolution of evolution, when men forget about God who made all things that are made, they descend into chaos of thinking, saying that nothing was made, or that things made themselves, or lastly, that aliens made us for alien purposes.
Excellent article. Reminds me of “Prof. Kouska’s fallacy”.
Benedykt Cezar Kouska: De Impossibilitate Vitae, De Impossibilitate Prognoscendi
“reviwed” in: Stanislaw Lem: A Perfect Vacuum, 1971
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_scientists_of_Stanis%C5%82aw_Lem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Perfect_Vacuum
Other commenters already noted the Consciousness is a relevant concept to the problem situation.
I am a programmer. My life question for life was: Can we replicate this in a machine? Or in some other existential domain?
My reply to the problem now is: Yes, we did. We did this infinitely times already.
“Unless there is something we haven’t figured out, and perhaps can’t.” Just give Yuval Harari a bell. Apparently he is the man who is going to make our great leaders into Gods who can do things more extraordinary than God himself. You have to laugh. I believe we are all in a large open air lunatic asylum and the loons are running it.
Evolution cannot get started until a living cell, i.e. a self reproducing machine of incredible complexity, comes into existence. This requires that a bunch of atoms, milling around minding their own business, suddenly bang into each other to produce this unimaginably complex machine. Does this seem likely?
The usual answer is to say that although it appears to be highly improbable, the universe is so big, and has been in existence for such a long time, that it could have happened somewhere.
This is a difficult argument to refute, because it would require us to calculate the probability of this event (atoms colliding and creating a self reproducing machine). Such a calculation would be impossible with our present knowledge.
However, you don’t have to calculate it. All you have to do is create a thought experiment which is (1) in every respect more probable than the random formation of a living cell, and (2) possible to calculate. If the probability of our thought experiment is shown to be impossible within the parameters of the known universe, then the random formation of a living cell, required to kick start the evolution of life, is shown to be impossible.
The proof takes about 2 pages of A4, and demonstrates the impossibility of the random creation of life.
The monkey at the typewriter is a lame fallback.
If this were the genesis of things, there would be inumerable excursions back into chaos at every step of the process. The cell would begin to thrive, then the whole edifice would collapse and go back into random motion.
For every one play of shakespeare that the monkey types there are near infinitely many that get the first act right then go to garbage.
This argument, at its root, is saying that ‘because of science’, ‘we deem that the explanation for the state of the universe is the least probably of all outcomes.’
That, in itself, is a refutation of science.
This approach fails.
Not trying to support or naysay evolution here, but I’ll note that once a pattern gets started, entropy tends to lock it in like how a steady wind locks a weathervane in one general position that turns side to side a bit but overall maintains a steady course until the wind changes or stops.
By your logic, a word made by hand by Godawmighty would also tie and untie its shoelaces over and over randomly. The universe does constantly tie and untie its shoelaces, but not randomly. Entropy/the Arrow of Time demand otherwise.
Result: on earth, what goes up MUST fall down unless an intervening force is applied.
Chaos, in our cosmos, is actually very highly ordered, but moves too fast at once for us to register the order except via mathematical extrapolation. The stars in the sky look random but are rigidly following unrelenting natural laws.
It seems a bit more straightforward to me than it does to Fred. Today there are nearly 8 billion humans, and a whole lot of many other fauna and flora. They all work nearly flawlessly, with a few exceptions.
Look at it the other way round. Each organism that is alive and going about its business today is the descendant of literally millions of generations of ancestors – in some cases billions. Every single one of those ancestors worked well enough that it lived out its life and had offspring which also had offspring…
Every single one.
Along the way, of course those ancestor organism got humongously bigger and more complex. But in the process, every single one still produced viable offspring which…
I one of his first novels, Frank Herbert created a technical genius called John Bickel. That guy says something that has haunted me all my life.
“Did you ever stop to think that negative feedback is the most terrifying perfectionist in the universe?”
In simpler terms, the fact that organisms like us exist proves that organisms like us are possible. Or, as a logician would say, “If something is true, then that something is possible”.
Matter can neither be created, nor destroyed.
As living organisms we have abilities to shape matter, sometimes to our choosing. But strictly speaking we can make nothing, as nothing can be made or likewise unmade, per the above. Since we have no actual experience of making, nor can we conceive the possibility, to say it’s possible is . . . . belief.
study the aura…our own energy field of layers you can feel it so can others also see it..is our conscious and subconscious field(eg why people feel phantom limbs) interacting with local and universal energy …incl the aether for example.
Harry Oldfield with his P.I.P. software is able to digitally see these and assist with traditional medical disgnosis’. Helps to see our colours…strengths intensities etc when we are out of balance…need realigning stabilising etc etc
Great article! I’m afraid most will not appreciate or comprehend a lot of what you wrote. I’ve been reading and watching, Bethinking by William Lane Craig for years. This topic reminds me of what the great writer Paul said, “I was caught up into paradise and heard things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat.” And then I remember what the Greatest of all says, “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible”.
” For example, the idea that a particle can simultaneously be a wave is absurd, but is now everywhere accepted, like potatoes. ”
Gives me an excuse for posting one of my favourite theories
If two waves are phaselocked the locked phase sort of impersonates a particle – something having unchanging properties. It is my opinion that electrons and protons are just that. And as a consequence we – our mind(s) must be phaselocked similarwise to the stable entities we call particles. This could be the result of the world – the universe – being generated by some kind of computer program and the output of the calculation would be the space-time-matter of our experience. This leads to questions about the meaning of the rest of the phase beyond the lockpoint which corresponds to the electron. Possibly the proton would be shifted by 90 degrees from the electron if the waves have sinusoidal shape but that shape is unknown and if one takes the simulation theory seriously the proton and electron might be phaseshifted locations along the computer clock ticks if there is a such a clock. If one doesnt believe in the computer simulation theory the idea would inspire further questions about what kind of waves this is and what happens if one finds out how to phaseshift stable particles with respect to their lockpoints. Since all matter contains these stable particles it would mean that matter is an interface with which we are comoving and since the particles are lockpoints it means there must be a pre and post lock phase. The post lock phase could be the outward radius from the electron and the pre lock phase range could be inaccessible to us. Perhaps half or 3/4’s of the universe being invisible. The waves in question might be more than two and could have a connection with multiple time dimensions which does have some mathematical relevance since the wave equation has unique properties for other than the usual 3-1 spacetime
Long ago, Prof Pickering from Leeds Univ. told me :” Nature can be complex, but it surely cannot be diabolic” Such may be the limit : evil.
Scientists have no explanation for how or why the universe was created. We live in this great magical creation. Filled with completely magical beings.
Excellent.
Forever going into finer and finer detail, to find out it was you all along. See you at the other side.
Having had a couple of obe’s and a nde I knew then & know now one thing for certain: I am not this body. That leads to much introspection.
It all (seems) to be one. There is ‘no other side’. It’s all here, right now, in the present moment – which is all there is.
The entire facade of 20’th century magic physics is collapsing. Relativity turns out to be a bunch of BS, just like evolution.
There is a lot of confusion in discussions of ‘science’ or ‘Science’ – especially among non-scientists – between description and explanation. So Relativity is not “a bunch of BS” – it is a close description that ‘preserves the appearances’, to use that lovely old medieval phrase. It made predictions that were subsequently confirmed. If it’s ‘wrong’, it will be shown to be wrong in time. This is science.
Newton’s Theory of Gravitation exquisitely describes how things work at one level. But in no way does it explain gravity. I mean, honestly, it’s spooky action at a distance. But we can characterize how it behaves to a fare-thee-well. Landed men on the Moon and all that.
Same thing with Evolution. This is what seems to happen. A lot of biology makes no sense without it, or something like it. But it’s a description, not an explanation. This is what we see, this is how things seem to work. If not, not. If it’s ‘wrong’, it will be shown to be wrong. This is science.
The real problem is when some people adopt Science as a religion – Scientism. You know the drill: All things are understandable through Science, given time. Nothing is outside the understanding of Science. And the kicker: Science is the ONLY arbiter of truth and reality. There’s your pernicious BS right there.
This belief is usually connected with worship at the Church of Progress and Technology. I know very few scientists who are Believers in that way (though no doubt some are) – it’s mostly non-scientists who want to appear modern and smart and futuristic.
Oh dear. If you believe the US landed a man on the Moon you have a lot to learn. Watch ‘a funny thing happened on the way to the moon’ by Bart Sibrel. It only takes a few minutes of thought to realise just how ludicrous the idea of sending a man to the Moon is using 1960s technology. In fact they still can’t do it for many reasons. One biggie being the Van Allen belts.
They flew around, it takes less a minute to search that. You do not have the slightest idea about the simple fact that every claim moan hoaxers made is debunked on a lot of websites in different languages.
Apart that, e.g. SG Collins (a film maker) shows with his “moon hoax not” film that it was impossible to stage that in th 60ths because a lack of technology. Sure, all you true believers will ignore that and this here is useless because you had grasp it decades ago.
Relativity helped the magicians get around the fact the Earth is not moving as determined by the Michelson-Morley experiment. So obviously special mathematics had to be deployed to do away with this pesky problem and so the foundation was laid for an entire new branch of magic – Relativity. Interestingly Einstein was a Khazarian. The inventor of the Big Bang a Jesuit. The inventor of Evolutionary theory a Freemason. It’s really simple once you see behind the veil.
Michelson Moreley is bullshit, If you hardwire the reflectors to the light source you will always get a null result. This is independent of any medium or not.
I have always been amazed at the sheer improbability of existence. If the universe is eternal or even if it is not, even if it only lasts eons we are precisely here, in this infinitesimal moment in which our little lives take place
Thank you. May your sentiment be embraced by all who read this.
In the beginning, God created….
Know that the LORD, he is God! It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.
And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
God bless you!
thanks mods for posting.
Fred Reed might be a genius but his image suggests a complete asshole who has fallen off his motorcycle more than once.
Fred is fun to read most of the time but he’ll go to every length to ignore God. For instance, all he writes above about human creation, no matter how miraculous (another concept he ignores), would simply result only in still-births if God neglected to create a SOUL and infuse it into that body, thus activating it.
Now THERE is a REALLY complicated subject Fred can admit he can’t understand. Nor can anyone else who refuses to admit to God, our Creator. Why not start with the idea that human life is not robotic because God gave us each free will, to use ourselves as we desire instead of by a computer-like program? Of course that would lead into ultimately being responsible for our actions, another fruitful subject.
Fred hasn’t even touched the surface of his subject.
“Of course that would lead into ultimately being responsible for our actions, another fruitful subject.”
Fruitful indeed but we’re not yet ready for that truth. Just imagine, ‘All men are created equal’ NOPE! Men are re-born (if they’re lucky) according to the fruits of their actions – good, bad & indifferent.
No? Explain then how some are born with the proverbial silver spoon, others in a mud hut, covered in flies to live a short & horrible life. Accident of ‘fate’ right? There are no accidents in the Universe. As many have implied in these comments – even if they didn’t realise it.
Teleological argument doesnt seem to die even though it’s easy to debunk:
In a nutshell, just because two compared things (eg machines and eyes/biochemical processes) share one feature in common (eg complexity) it doesnt follow that they MUST share another (eg having a designer.).
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Heres a simple exmple to make it obvious:
A. Human fetal development etc is complex
B. Human fetal development occurs in a woman’s womb after hot sex.
C. Machines are complex
Therefore, machines occur in a woman’s womb…..
The argument from design seems extremely intuitive, but so do a lot of things that are not sound.
This isnt to say there isnt a designer, but complexity doesnt demonstrate it. And even without a designer, the universe is no less mysterious…
“In today’s column, we will revolutionize science, and establish that much of what we believe, at least regarding living things, is at best improbable and likely impossible. Science won’t notice, so no harm will be done”
Good man, idealistic.
“we must begin with particle physics. This will give the column a touch of class.”
Exciting. I write as I go, no fair joking.
“Here we enunciate and underlying principle: A thing is not necessarily possible merely because it happens.” This quote is based on the line, “Neither of these things can happen. But they do.” Really? On with the science revolution: “Unless something is going on that we do not know about.” Science cannot depend on something like that.
All of the long paragraph six is about clichés; the scientific revolution practically ends already.
“…you would sense that the entire complex wouldn’t work, however plausible each sub-process might be. You would be unconsciously applying the law that the improbability of the whole is greater than the sum of the improbabilities of the parts.”
Modern man is accustomed to the marvelous gadgets that do incredible things. Half way through, I think this scientific revolution in one column consists of making science depend on our subjective impressions – but let’s see.
“…You say, “But Fred, you don’t know anything about biochemistry.” True, but so what? You don’t have to know anything about it to know that it is impossible. Too many little wheels. You’ve got mRNA and microRNA and rRNA all rushing about…”
Biochemistry impossible?
“I do not doubt that lab folk have proved that it happens. I just don’t think it is possible. Unless something is going on that we don’t understand.”
He’s proving my hypothesis true: “I think this scientific revolution in one column consists of making science depend on our subjective impressions”.
“But we advocates of Impossibility Theory assert that not only can living things not have evolved, but also that they can’t function. Too many little gear wheels. Therefore life doesn’t exist.”
Is this meant to be funny? It’s more like anger than comedy.
“Impossible, at least, unless we can come up with an auxiliary explanation. Magic seems a good candidate.”
Good-bye scientific revolution. American scandal?
“I don’t know much about anything (readers delight in assuring me of this).”
Bring it down to what you know.
“There you have the elements of a theory of impossibility. Doubtless it will rank with general relativity and Watson and Crick. You saw it here first.”
I couldn’t come up with one element (poor memory), but the three paragraphs over this paragraph should come up with one! They don’t at all. They only wish for “an engineering information-flow analysis” and “data-flow diagrams.” It’s possible that it’s not something personal or anger. What is the real purpose of this column? I think the author should make it clear to the readers here.
The element I perceived is that if we don’t believe something to be real, then it’s “impossible.” Reviewing my quotes of the column, that’s the only element in that “theory of impossibility.”
that we should always be open to the possibility of the “impossible”which is just a reflection of our limited and imperfect sensing and understanding…otherwise we close off ourselves to the wonders of the incredible amazing wow heck how little we understand but need to keep aspiring to experience the infinite cosmos and its consciousness.
We have cut ourselves off from nature in our urban environments…fed by delusionional corporate mass media and psychopathic politics .We do not really experience personally the the wonders of the stars….unlike all those hundreds of thousands years when developing mankind could curiously see the stars rotating in all their majesty and be at one with nature.
On your first paragraph, it’s not what he says. It’s what you say. And many commenters who praise him just think of what they themselves say or think and pick and choose whatever they read that they can harmonize with what they themselves like to believe, which must give a very nice feeling – and then they praise the author! Forget the deep issues of biochemistry. We need to learn objectivity, and also that “wars” or “vendettas” on the web are words wars. The chances that for some reason this author does not like this website are no less than 50% based on this article. I quoted his inanities or absurdities. They are an insult to your intelligence (read just the quotes again), and he should explain what this is – bad humor, insult, or incompetence. It’s one of the three. There is also at least a 50% chance that he was ill or not well when he wrote this column, if he can do better than this: “…we advocates of Impossibility Theory assert that not only can living things not have evolved, but also that they can’t function. Too many little gear wheels. Therefore life doesn’t exist.”
I don’t know whether life and its process – are so ‘magical’: at the end all comes to death. Quite fast when we compare to universe scale. That’s programmed mortality. So this construction is not so perfect if it wrecks in time less than blinking of the eye. Ask old people…
Perfect Joe!
I am always reluctant to get into stuff like this because it always comes nack to faith in god. And when I compare humanity to the available facts and logic we are stupid! Silly! Violent. It always comes downn to why would god make this? What on earth for? I look at all logic I could find and nothing makes sense of the idea that a god made humans with it’s own hands
There must be… has to be a purpose to it. There is none! We have been the most imperfect beings of all, nasty, quarrelsome and murderous among so much else. If you can why not make perfect beings from the get go? Why the endless torture. And then we die like you say.
I dont take the old religions seriously because I know the old empires lied through their teeth relative to them. The old religions and the new ones are the same, are just as fantastic as the those going around today. Same way with the science
Ben, I agree that it’s pointless to get into ‘religious’ discussions – and that’s where this has led, to some extent – as it all comes down to belief or lack of it, then back & forth we go and no-one changes their opinion. So I won’t bother giving mine.
But I hope that you will agree that, at death or soon after, we will know the truth. Total extinction (I guess then you won’t actually ‘know’ it, but let’s stretch it) or something else.
And as Joe to whom you were replying said, we’ll all be there in the ‘blinking of an eye’. So let’s just be patient. :)
Even on the ground of religion there’s a saying: “God failed designing senescense”.
our perception of death is actually rebirth for the next stage.
Excellent essay. Readers should follow it up with Rupert Sheldrake’s The Science Delusion: Freeing the Spirit of Enquiry (2009), available at https://www.amazon.com/Science-Delusion-Freeing-Spirit-Enquiry/dp/144472794X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+science+delusion&qid=1619313444&sr=8-1 .
That could be followed with Presence of the Past: Morphic Resonance and the Habits of Nature ( https://www.amazon.com/Presence-Past-Morphic-Resonance-Habits/dp/1848313063/ref=sr_1_1?crid=37NISXSHUZBNQ&keywords=The+Presence+of+the+Past%3A+Morphic+Resonance+and+the+Habits+of+Nature&qid=1653006961&s=books&sprefix=the+presence+of+the+past+morphic+resonance+and+the+habits+of+nature+%2Cstripbooks%2C115&sr=1-1 ) published 2011.
In essence, the material universe is undergirded by a realm of memory, of which life forms and everything else are composed. Materialists call Sheldrake’s work “pseudoscience,” but they refuse to investigate the evidence for his conclusions. After all, their minds are made up. Why confuse them with the facts?
Wonderful reading, amazing posts. From the amoeba to the consciousness of a genius that creates a hypersonic missile to destroy evil, I wish I could meet you guys in the natural ambient of a forest and drink the enteogen Ayahuasca to go further.
in portuguese the significance of words match well:
“o mestre sempre é o mestre”
“o mestre Sempre é o mestre”
a master is always the master
master Always is the master
LEGO
Cool piece :) Personaly I have concluded we are living in a miracle.
Seven quick questions, in the matter/consciousness debate.
One. How does our universe, based upon ‘Rocks from Nothing’, arising from a Big Bang,
create complex consciousness?
Two. If consciousness is a ‘hallucination’, created by complex chemistry,
then how can we use a ‘hallucination’, to power the scientific method?
Three. How can we outline a ‘creation recipe’ for our embryonic universe,
without using consciousness as one of the primary ingredients,
for how can that which is not conscious, create consciousness?
Four. A coal seam is a complex carbon structure. How then can a coal seam, sprinkled with water,
even over vast evolutionary periods, create the complexity of a human orchestra,
playing Beethoven, during a world tour?
Five. A branch of physics, Quantum Information Theory, suggests that the basis of our universe
is not matter, but information. This suggests that our universe is a simulation.
Who then, or what, is projecting this simulation, and from where is this simulation projected?
Six. Science uses modelling, based upon facts and measurement, to explain our universe.
In science, all creation models should be considered, without ‘fear, or favour’!
Why then does science, refuse to even consider, a consciousness-based universe,
and are these restrictions, based upon scientific pride, and the human ego?
Seven. It seems that everything in our universe, can be casually thrown,
into either a box, labeled ‘matter’, or a box, labeled ‘consciousness’.
However, which box arises first, in the creation sequence?
Does the frog, create frog poop, or does the frog poop, create the frog?
OMG, I thought for sure you had passed on, Fred! Good to see you out and about you old coot