The first thing to say here is that we have no means to know what really happened. At the very least, there are two possible hypotheses which could explain what took place:
1) a US provocation: it is quite possible that somebody in the US chain of command decided that Iran should be put under pressure and that having US UAV fly right next to, or even just inside, the international border of Iran would be a great way to show Iran that the US is ready to attack. If that is the case, this was a semi-success (the Iranians had to switch on their radars and attack the UAV which is very good for US intelligence gathering) and a semi-failure (since the Iranians were clearly unimpressed by the US show of resolve).
2) an Iranian provocation: yup, that is a theoretical possibility which cannot reject prima facie: in this scenario it was indeed the Iranians who blew up the two tankers last week and they also deliberately shot down the US UAV over international waters. The goal? Simple: to show that the Iranians are willing and ready to escalate and that they are confident that they will prevail.
Now, in the real world, there are many more options, including even mixes of various options. What matters is now not this, as much as Trump’s reaction:
Now, whether this was a US provocation or an Iranian one – Trump’s reaction was the only correct one. Why? Because the risks involved in any US “more than symbolic strike” would be so great as to void any rationale for such a strike in the first place. Think of it: we can be very confident that the Iranian military installations along the Persian Gulf and the southern border of Iran are highly redundant and that no matter how successful any limited US missile strike would have been, the actual military capabilities of Iran would not have been affected. The only way for the USA to effectively degrade Iranian capabilities would be to have a sustained, multi-day, attack on the entire southern periphery of Iran. In other words, a *real* war. Anything short of that would simply be meaningless. The consequences of such an attack, however, would be, in Putin’s words “catastrophic” for the entire region.
If this was an Iranian provocation, then it was one designed to impress upon the Empire that Iran is also very much “locked, cocked and ready to rock”. But if that is the case, there is zero change that any limited strike would achieve anything. In fact, any symbolic US attack would only signal to the Iranians that the US has cold feet and that all the US sabre-rattling is totally useless.
I have not said such a thing in many months, but in this case I can only admit that Trump did the right thing. No limited attack also makes sense even if we assume that the Empire has made the decision to attack Iran and is just waiting for the perfect time. Why? Because the longer the Iranian feel that an attack is possible, the more time, energy and money they need to spend remaining on very high alert.
The basic theory of attack and defense clearly states that the attacking side can gain as a major advantage if it can leave the other side in the dark about its plans and if the costs of being ready for a surprise attack are lower than the costs of being on high alert (those interested in the role and importance of surprise attack in the theory of deterrence can read Richard Betts’ excellent book “Surprise Attack: lessons for defense planning“).
How true is this story about Trump canceling a US attack at the last minute? It is impossible to know, but it appears to me that it is certain that the nutcase Neocons around Trump wanted the strike. But it is also plausible (if by no means certain) that at least two groups could have opposed such a strike:
1) The planners at CENTCOM and/or the Pentagon.
2) The planners for Trump’s reelection campaign.
The first ones would lobby against such a strike simply on the sound military grounds mentioned above. As for the second group, they probably decided (correctly) that if Trump starts a war with Iran which nobody has an “exit strategy” for – this could result in a huge blowback for the entire region and kill Trump’s reelection chances.
In this case, whether Trump listened to either group or simply followed his gut instincts, it appears likely that Trump (maybe a “collective Trump”) said “no, I don’t authorize this”. In this case, he does deserve our sincere praise and gratitude (irrespective of this past actions and inactions).
In conclusion, I want to show the kind of fantastically stupid, mindbogglingly ignorant and criminally irresponsible war propaganda the so-called “conservative” US media outlets have been spewing. Check out this one:
Hannity’s flagwaving logorrhea is exactly the kind of total nonsense which will sooner or later result in a major military disaster followed by a collapse of the Empire itself (for a detailed outline of how this is likely to happen, please read John Michael Greer superb book “Twilight’s Last Gleaming“). The sheer number of counter-factual and plainly stupid things Hannity manages to squeeze into just under 7 minutes is, by itself, a remarkable feat.
Yes, it is a sad day when one has to rejoice that the US President is marginally less stupid and less ignorant than one of the big talking heads on the US idiot box, but these are truly tragic and extremely dangerous times. And in such times, we have to be grateful for anything, no matter how minimal, which pushes back the inevitable war in the Middle-East (or even the world).
This being said, where do we go from here?
My personal guesstimate and almost baseless speculation is that the attack on the two tankers was probably an Israeli false flag operation which failed to achieve its intended results. Notice that the attack itself did not take place inside Strait of Hormuz, but south of it, in comparatively more open waters were an Israeli submarine or specialized surface vessel had less changes to be spotted by the Iranians and a much better chance of escape (for example, take a look at the 2nd map shown below and see for yourself how the depth gradient rapidly drops in the Gulf of Oman).
When this attacked failed to achieve the desired effect, the Israelis and their Neocon agents decided to engage into another provocation, this time using a US drone. I find it likely that in terms of location, the drone was flying inside Iranian airspace, but probably still over water allowing the Empire do claims it’s usual (and CIA-created) cop-out of “plausible deniability” in case of shootdown.
When the Iranians shot down the US UAV, a lot of folks in the USA probably wanted to find out exactly where this UAV was flying at the moment of intercept and since the Iranians probably have a lot of radar and EW data to prove that the UAV was inside the Iranian airspace the only safe course of action would have been to express all forms of protest but not to take unilateral (and, therefore illegal) action.
It is also remarkable that the US has requested that the case of the two tankers and the shooting down of the drone be discussed at the UNSC. Considering that both Russia and China will veto any resolution condemning Iran, this also appears to be a move to find a pretext not to go to war.
Of course, this might also be a strategic PSYOP destined to lull the Iranians into a false sense of security. If that is the plan, it will fail: the Iranians have lived with a AngloZionist bullseye painted on their heads ever since 1979 and they are used to live under constant threat of war.
In conclusion, I am currently very slightly optimistic (48-52%) that the US will not attack Iran in the short term.
In the long term, however, I consider that an AngloZionist attack is a quasi certainty.
The Saker
PS: a pretty decent topographical map of the Strait of Hormu (source: https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7422h.ct002935/)
DOHA (Sputnik) – The United States believes it is necessary to resist Iran’s alleged intentions to use allies to attack Saudi Arabia, US Special Representative for Iran Brian Hook said on Friday during his visit to Riyadh.
“Iran’s efforts to use surrogates to attack Saudi Arabia and destabilize the region needs to be countered,” Hook said, as quoted by Al Arabiya broadcaster.
Sounds a bit weird to me..something being set up????,?
PS…..wonder what the alleged 3 targets were…..and may still be so……
US diplo-thugs specialise in reality inversion, pathopsychological projection and thuggish bravado. To them every country is a Panama City ghetto, an ‘easy kill’ or a ‘turkey-shoot’. The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the patter.
it was reported by sputnik that bombers ready for the strike took off from qatar’s american base. this makes it totally unbelievable that trump ordered a standdown. why? qatar already made it very clear that it will not allow the country as a staging point for attacks against iran. and why again? because iran is the only country in the mideast it can turn to in times of crisis eg. the divorce from GCC countries. iran is providing them passage of their needs to survive. iran is providing them the airspace their national airline can freely navigate. so the news about the bombing strikes is just pure propaganda to save face of the american president.
as we already have learned before from trump;
Trump, who has a history of firing off escalating tweets targeting the leaders of countries at odds with the US, told Rouhani to “NEVER EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN.”
The US president then issued his own threat, saying Iran “WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKE OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE.”
a blown drone from the sky was never a threat from iran to the united states in that case for holding the attack on the last minute. i agree with saker, restraint was the best thing trump could do. but as we know restraint is a euphimism for cowardice. the bully is inherently a coward and eventually will back down.
It’s not Yemen that started the war with the barbaric Saudis, it’s the Saudis. So no one has attacked the barbaric monarchy, Yemen is just defending itself according to the UN charter.
You can’t start a war and then blame Iran’s allies for defending themselves or use that defense as an excuse to go to war with Iran.
I am happy that what the US and its middle eastern puppets cannot do what they are doing in Yemen to Iran. They better ship enough body bags before they start a war with Iran.
“If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest.”
from a letter by Thomas Jefferson
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The biggest lie that they tell the people in this modern time is to bury and defeat all of the original notions of America. Every time you hear any American politician talking about America this or America that, the world should both laugh and call them a liar. If someone wants to return to the time when America was Great, the first step is to give up all thoughts of empire. Then they might be on the right track. The notion of America was of a classless society where anyone could come and work hard and make their way in this world, with no thought of going abroad to seek monsters to slay.
If this geopolitical dilemma was submitted to an arbitrator for final resolution, the arbitrator would settle the matter by deciding that Iran should have nuclear weapons. Then MAD would calm things down, peace would prevail, and all other matters of concern could be resolved in some business-like manner.
Until that day appears, Iran has set forth its own asymmetrical substitute: widespread destruction of its enemies’ bases, weapons launchers, infrastructure and manpower using rockets and missiles, on land and sea, via its own and proxy forces in many countries scheming to destroy the Iranian government.
It works as deterrent for now. Even the mighty Hegemon fears the kind of fire and hell that Iran can launch at US assets on water and land in the region.
Considering that Iran has no Air Force of consequence and no Space assets to use, this is quite remarkable.
Its enemies shiver and quake at the thought of what will be coming their way if the US cannot completely neutralize and defeat the Iranians.
Today, Trump thought about the consequences. That is deterrence 101.
The US not only stood down. They stood off.
Trump now has to figure how to start diplomacy since he is unwilling to start the war.
I sense in Osaka, it will be a question he asks VV Putin.
Russia may have to do for Trump what Xi is doing for him in North Korea.
The great America First deal maker can’t seem to get any deal going anywhere.
But there is hope. The two great leaders of the Double Helix will “coordinate” for him if he can just stay out of the way.
Putin certainly wishes to avoid WW III. He hopes to stall it off for enough time to allow the west to collapse from terminal corruption. If he and the Chinese can help end the status of the US dollar as the majority currency in international trade settlement, the USA will collapse “like a cheap suit.” Americans could only hope that their “warriors” could afford bus fare home. The USA will no longer be able to trade their worthless electrons for valuable real stuff. As to acting as a mediator between Trump and Iran, he already stated that he regards the USA as “unnegotiationable,” so it would be a difficult task even for one as shrewd as Putin.
The problem is President Trump is, apparently, not his own master, albeit of late he has shown some stones in dealing with the ‘go to war’ crowd he’s been strapped with in his administration. With the ongoing shuffling of ‘who’s in command of the Armed Forces’, apparently at least some of them, unlike CIA and FBI, seem to regard the President as the Commander in Chief. Time will tell, but reality is we are hovering over the precipice of all out war which would very shortly lead to all out nuclear war which in and of itself will negate any and all worries we ordinary workers and peasants have.
Auslander
“The problem is President Trump is, apparently, not his own master”
This, to me, is the crux of the matter. And it’s slightly terrifying…
I find it difficult if not impossible to contemplate any current member of the managerial class, and perhaps a majority of those from the past, to be his or her own master. That alone seems like it would give a reasonable human being a moment of pause before deciding to become one. That and the probable sacrifice of any or all personal integrity, either prior to or over time.
Daniel Ellsberg, the famous whistle-blower, wrote in his book “The Doomsday Machine” that even in the 1950’s with a General in the White House that the Pentagon wouldn’t even let the civilians see their big plan for the nuclear war.
It has been a very long time since the American military was under civilian control. Perhaps FDR was the last President to actually exercise civilian control of the military.
Yep, unfortunately no US is president is able to put America’s interests above those of their controllers.
These provocations seem a bit too blatant to be Iranian actions in my opinion. Especially the two tanker incident which occurred during the Japanese Prime Ministers visit – I just can’t see the Iranians doing that, but I can see the US controllers using it to send a message to Abe.
I suspect the controllers are the people/dynasty who instigated Israels creation, as opposed to Israel itself which is simply a tool. A bit like the Federal Reserve which this same group instigated, as well as numerous “intelligence” agencies, media outlets and education systems. They play the long game.
A salvo of cruise missiles aimed at the parking lot of the Knesset might return control to it’s rightful location. Preferably while all Isreal’s 5th columnists are attending a meeting there.
All out physical war isn’t what Trump and his handlers want, well maybe as a last resort. They want to starve the people to death with sanctions. Less messy in the MSM than bombs. Just ask the Venezuelans.
“If this geopolitical dilemma was submitted to an arbitrator for final resolution, the arbitrator would settle the matter by deciding that Iran should have nuclear weapons. Then MAD would calm things down, peace would prevail, and all other matters of concern could be resolved in some business-like manner.”
There are several problem with that (otherwise perfectly reasonable) idea:
1) Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has declared that nuclear weapons are un-Islamic and banned. Tough many Iran-haters will dismiss that as empty words of denial, I happen to believe that the man is 100% sincere and that he and his followers truly and really don’t want to have a nuclear weapon.
2) If Iran could get a truly full-spectrum and highly survivable nuclear capability, like what only Russia and the US have (including targeting!!) then this would be a good idea. But the problem is that Iran is decades away from having anything even remotely resembling RU/US capabilities. This means that whatever nuclear program the Iranians would launch it would place a HUGE bullseye on them and, besides, it would also provide the US and Israel with a perfect pretext to strike Iran.
3) Iran does not need to pretend to be the crazy power in the Middle-East: Israel, the KSA and the US are doing a worldclass job looking insane. Iran’s much better strategy would be to act like the SANE regional power, the one that is predictable and can be trusted. Developing nukes would not contribute to that.
4) Iran does not have any good targets to nuke, even if Iran had the nuclear bomb. Iran ALREADY has PLENTY of very precious CENTCOM sites all over the region and Iran does not need nukes to hit them. Yes, Iranian conventional capabilities are comparably modest, but having a half-developed nuclear capability would only expose to a massive nuclear retaliation by the AngloZionists. Iran most definitely does not need that.
So the truth is that this entire “Iranian nuclear weapons program” is just a pretext, a canard, aimed at trying to con the stupid US goyim to go and die for Israel. Nobody in the know really believes that Iran is going to nuke Doha or Kuwait or any other city (least of all any Israeli city as this would 100% guarantee a massive conventional and nuclear response by the US and Israel.
Sadly, all these facts become lost in the deluge of stupid accusations against Iran.
Trump now has to figure how to start diplomacy since he is unwilling to start the war.
Yes, but since Trump was elected on a hysterically anti-Iranian platform, and since he is AIPAC’s “punkass bitch” and since finally he lost any and all diplomatic credibility with Iran because of this regegging on the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action and since, finally, there are no diplomats left in Foggy Bottom, Trump simply cannot negotiate with Iran. Heck, he can’t even negotiate with Russia!
In theory, he could, yes. Order the FBI to arrest all the Neocons, make Tulsi Gabbard Sec of State, tell all of CENCTOM to stand down and declare that he had to ditch the The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action under duress (or even the threat of being JFKed).
But Trump is no leader. He is a dumb, arrogant and overcooked noodle.
What we saw today is Trump’s very very best. That’s all he has (besides loads of hot air).
A Gabbard President maybe!
But not The Donald.
Kind regards
The Saker
My core thesis remains. Iran has achieved a synthetic MAD.
And if this issue is going to be resolved, the wisdom and diplomacy of the Russians will be integral.
Trump or no Trump.
And you know well, ‘it don’t matter who is “President”. The Oval Office has an Overlord and it ain’t no American.’ Might have dual citizenship, but citizenship matters nothing today.
Fear reeks in the Oval Office ever since Dallas. You obey the Overlord from the Middle East or else . . .
I have my chips on Red. The Red Star. The coordinating Red Stars. They are stakeholders, too.
You might be right and I sure hope and pray that you are!!
I heard that China made some very strong statements about Iran.
God willing, Russia and China can add enough to the already existing Iranian deterrence policy to prevent the Neocons from pushing the US into yet another war for Israel.
But if that happens, it will be a miracle.
Nothing wrong with praying for a miracle :-)
Kind regards, my friend!
The Saker
Osaka next week. Watch for how much time Trump tries to carve out for talks with Xi and Putin.
There will be a RIC meeting there, Putin, Modi and Xi. That is terrifying to the US.
Japan’s Abe has to host the G20 so he can’t rattle swords around. And, he wants in on Eurasia for investment and for his own moribund economy. Not to mention, the Kuril Islands the Japanese want and they can’t afford to piss on Putin’s shoes.
The US has North Korea in front again, because President Xi is running with it. Another loss for Trump.
So, the Donald has to try to get some smiles and nodding heads coming his way in Osaka or he is odd man out.
The reality has changed because of Iran. And the Iran gambit changed because of Venezuela fizzling out. And Venezuela went south because the ball was dropped in Hanoi with Kim. Want and need shifted around the globe as Trump sought a Win, but came up a cropper.
Now, he can’t even guarantee a sit down of any length with any of the real players.
They have diplomatic corps to help them. He has bomb throwers Pompeo and Bolton.
Truly a sad POTUS.
Well, there is Twitter.
Larch/Sake: (exceedingly thought-proviking addendums, thanx)
Timing is interesting.
Of late, Japan is oft overlooked in significance.
They certainly are well-aware of the achieved vassalage of the U.S.A., and are known to be (very?) unsympathetic with those who have taken control.
They contradicted the ridiculous claim that Iran attacked their cargo vessels, while Abe was in Tehran.
At what point does Japan have to admit to itself, that there is no future for the empire?!
There certainly will be a point, non?
Japan is very, very well positioned for a complete renaissance within an integrated Eurasian multi-polar community, non?
Yes, there are historical animosities, but how does that compare with the emerging reality on the ground? North Korea (understandable) belligerence against the empire?
Japan needs to do something different… or they are just going to… dissipate out of relevance.
But they still have top grade infrastructure, phenomenal access to markets, which will be hugely improved with even phase 1 BRI projects.
What would a Japanese re-alignment do to the empire, and how would it react?
I bet they’re buying gold… discretely, (as is their way) of course
Oh, the wrong turn started a long time ago in Yugoslavia with “Monica” war and we continue marching on this road deliriously drunk on the idea of being an unitary “hegemony”, disregarding all signs pointing to 911, accumulating unsustainable debt, actively engaging in forceful ME “democracy building”, ignoring warnings and offers for cooperation (e.g. Putin’s 2007 Munich speech), cheering on the most irresponsible, stupid, and often criminal elements in Georgia and Ukraine. And then… we got Trump. I hoped that he would be able to instill sanity. So far there only few flashes of it few and between. This late refusal to follow establishment urges is one of such flashes.
Abe was forced to loose face as he met with Iran’s Ayatollah while Japanese related cargo ships were attacked. One day a Japanese Prime Minister might react to such an insult, but then again they have been a US colony since the end of WW2.
Saker, I’m at a loss for words except to say THANK YOU for this amazing analysis and comment response!!
I’m deeply grateful for you, your website and these articles! I’m going to gladly send you another donation soon.
What does everyone here think about the possibility that the Zionists want war with Iran? They want to close the Strait of Hormuz in order to drive the price of oil up! Once that is done world chaos and recession? Do you think this present insanity is part of a larger diabolical plan? It worked with WW2…. maybe the Neoconservatives think WW3 is winnable?
“… the Zionists want war with Iran?” — they want war with anyone that will shift inventory in the MIC sector.
“… close the Strait of Hormuz in order to drive the price of oil up!” — cui bono?
Shares in US fracking companies would likely surge. Other market winners would emerge. The closer scenario is Royal Dutch Shell’s gaming of the 1993/4 Arab Oil embargo. They went from 7th ranking to 2nd with a 6-month strategic advantage on their competitors. Good scenario planning? Hmmmm, … ??? Or, alternatively, the best way to predict the future is to create it. There is a lot of posturing and theatrics at present — this just likely means the main market players have not quite positioned themselves to reap the juicy rewards.
Cui Bono? Nobody wins out of that.
Here is why.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-23/provoking-iran-could-start-war-and-crash-entire-world-economy
What you mention under 1) is crucial in my mind and I completely agree. The Iranian leadership has a real moral code. By the way, Khamenei said to Abe that Iran has decided not to have nuclear weapons (for the reasons you mention). He added that, on the other hand, if Iran had decided to produce nuclear weapons, then nobody would have been able to stop this. I must say that I am more and more impressed by Khamenei.
Larch,
For your amusement I will serve you with the link to an interview given by professor, Greek, who may be teaching political sciences in Canada, oh yes he is specialist regarding China relations and yes he speaks Chinese.
Long story short, this video is called in short “Geopolitics of extremes” where he tells the interviewer that any country that wants to stay independent (read not being attacked) must have nuclear weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYldYMIlvpQ
Notice how he calls Trump as Tramvios, he explains why.
At 13:43 he says “Trump serves military complex and strives for an all out nuclear war”.
At 14:53 he talks about “Real Politics”, which was created by Germans and Americans follow. Here he says that “In Politics, only self interests and criminality counts, everyone commits criminal acts”
At 16:53 he says “peace is the biggest lie there is” humanity has always been at war.
Sorry, I can’t find the bit where he said that “country that wants to stay free must possess nuclear weapons”
At 31:50 he explains that “US is falling apart and China is without a doubt the biggest power on this planet”
he also says what Mao said about the nuclear war, which I happen to remember from my youth “Mao said there is so many of us that the enemy can’t kill us all”
So, to finish I’ll say this:
Iran will have nuclear weapons, regardless of what is said about Islam, otherwise it will always be threatened by the little country which wags the big dog. Oh, yes Islam never stopped Pakistan from getting the nukes did it? SA may already have them on the quiet side.
Iran and North Korea (NK) have been engaged in joint research and development and sharing technologies for a long time. NK has nukes, ICBMs, SLBMs, EMPs, etc. and so it is unrealistic to expect Iran not to have them also. NK subs are already patrolling US coasts and it is likely Iran will obliterate US fleet there if forced to do so. Here are some videos of NK launching SLBM (Bukuksung-2) and ICBM (Hwasung-16, can cover the entire US continent).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOBU0QwZtE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EypIIkg7gx8
An all out shooting war between Iran and the USA will bring crude oil to a spot price of over $150 and pop the everything bubble in short order, creating a crash in the equities, and probably the bond markets as well, steeper and deeper than in 2008-9. This is the end game of the empire – in order to transform the world into the Hunger Games neofeudal society they must break the current system and get the masses to cry out in despair to the very people who cause it to fix it. The question is – are they ready now to cross the Rubicon? If they fail, despite a century or two of planning and preparation, the globalist “elites” will be hunted down and lynched. Anything can happen in the “fog of war.”
Don’t forget the $1.2 quadrillion derivatives – they’ll go pop too!!
(I will have to concede out the $1.2 quadrillion is a debatable number, the BIS says this… “According to the most recent data from the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), the total notional amounts outstanding for contracts in the derivatives market is an estimated $542.4 trillion. But the gross market value of all contracts to be significantly less: approximately $12.7 trillion.”)
A trillion here, a quadrillion there, I’ll have to check the side of the couch and see if someone’s dropped a billion or two down the side of the cushions while they were sitting down.
Very good comment. The “saviors” are often tend to be those who are the cause of “problems” to begin with. The mentioning of “crossing the Rubicon” is also very astute. Actually, this reminded me of a TV series titled “Rubicon” , in which false flag operations were explored in depth.
The two tanker ‘attacks’ were no doubt false flag. End of discussion on those idiocies.
Apparently there was another, manned, airframe flying with the drone and the Iranians warned both units off numerous times (the drone has, or had, real time commo with both it’s controllers and whoever it was intercoursing with at the time of disintegration). According to scuttlebutt on the military forums, which have a surprising amount of real time informations, the second, manned, unit was in essence a sacrificial lamb. However, the sacrifice did not happen and one can only imagine what is now going through the minds of those manning the second unit vis-a-vis the worth of their lives to Foggy Bottom and Langley.
One little piece of info that might be distressing to Raytheon et al is the fact that this now junque yard dog of a 250 million buck airframe, one of apparently eight in existence, seems to have had the latest and greatest Raytheon AN/ALR-89 self-protection suite amongst other systems which did precisely zilch to defend the aircraft. Whether or not the presence of this system on the drone is true or not I have no idea but whatever is said and done, the massively expensive drone is now chum and the Raytheon system did not defend the drone from Iranian missile systems, none of which approach the systemic sophistication of Russian S300, let alone the later and greater air defense systems deployed all over The Motherland.
Bottom line, Bolton and the ‘go to war’ crowd, not a one of whom has faced the roar of the guns (cowards, all of them, to send your and my sons to fight when they won’t fight nor will their sons), appear to have been foiled AT THIS MOMENT. However, never fear, these clowns are hell bent on war. An old saying might be of importance to them, in particular Bolton and Pompeii: Be careful what you pray for, you might get it.
One final point in this short ramble, addressed to President Trump:
Sir! You are the President of the United States of America! Get off the damned twitter, schmitter, shitter, facebook, macebook and whatever, and run the damned country like you were elected to do! Nobody with the intelligence above that of an amoeba crawling through protozoan mush gives a damn what is said on ‘social media’ nor do they participate in that idiotic farce.
Auslander, who was Catch 22’d and could not vote for you….the last time. Ask me if that will happen this time.
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Amen!! So glad to see their are other people like me who despise social media.
I despise social media too and won’t use it. However it is very, very potent and has pretty much everyone under the age of 35 by the short-and-curlies, and quite a lot of older people too.
It has been used very effectively to bolster a number of regime changes in recent times. I’ve posted this link to “The Terrorists Among US- Traitors and Terror 3” article also on TheSaker, but I’d suggest it is essential reading for how the media, be it traditional, digital or social has been weaponized (it always has been a weapon, but never more than now, and controlled by a very small cabal of globalists)…
https://www.mintpressnews.com/ebay-founder-pierre-omidyar-is-funding-a-global-media-information-war/255199/
I would gladly join your appeal to Pres. if you don’t mind.
Don’t mind at all. Have at it!
Auslander
”Sir! You are the President of the United States of America! Get off the damned twitter, schmitter, shitter, facebook, macebook and whatever, and run the damned country like you were elected to do! Nobody with the intelligence above that of an amoeba crawling through protozoan mush gives a damn what is said on ‘social media’ nor do they participate in that idiotic farce.”
With all due respect, Auslander, I feel disposed to believe the latter part of the quote nails it with regard to the Exceptional and Indispensable creatures. Trump’s popularity would soar massively were he able to do what Pompeo and Bolton expect of him. Trump fits the US American template superbly: Reactionary, infantile, boastsome, greedy, and unbelievably stupid. He just had the misfortune to enter world politics at a time when the Empire is entering its terminal prolapse.
Ironically, there would have been some hope left for Trump’s compatriots were he a Russian mole, LOL.
We need to understand how Trump (and similar) uses Twitter, FB and other social media. It is a weapon in his hands.
First, it keeps him in the headlines.
Second, no matter what he says, the comments on his comment immediately get sucked out to a large database to cut, slice and dice it and analyze it. It is an immediate feedback loop to probe what people say and think.
So, in the cutting, slicing and dicing, by the time Trump gets to a presser, or to one of his rallies, he already knows what his base thinks, and he feeds that back to them in populist language. He knows the language because he just got it directly from his base. He also knows what the democrats say, because they gave it to him as feedback on any tweet of his. So, he can accuse them very accurately of what they already say.
In reality, Ollie Richardson has spoken of large computing power in this piece: /nuclear-armageddon-and-geopolitical-simulacrum/
He is not wrong.
Twitter for Trump is one of those methods, where Tump can immediately probe his base and his enemy, and with that knowledge, give it back to anyone using their own language and their own beliefsets. Why do you think his rallies are so popular? Because he tells people what they already think and social media is large computing power that makes this possible.
Wishing to move back to a simpler age of no social media (we are on social media right here), is to misunderstand the real use of these systems. Trump himself credits his use of social media for his ‘winning’.
“Trump said his social media accounts provide “a tremendous platform.” He estimated that he has a combined 125 million followers across Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. (Trump’s personal, presidential and White House social media accounts totaled about 113 million at the time of publication.)
“So when somebody says something about me, I am able to go bing, bing, bing, and I take care of it,” he explained. “The other way, I would never get the word out.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/20/trump-social-media-election-244009
If you do a search something like “trump campaign and use of social media”, you will find more than what you’ve ever bargained for. I am not saying this is a wise methodology, or a good methodology or a negative methodology. I’m simply saying it is being used in ways that we sometimes don’t even think about.
Perhaps I am a dinosaur, and I’ve been called that more than once. My wireless telephone is from 2005. It has a camera in it but I have never used the camera and don’t know how. I have neither the time nor the will to spend half my day communicating with people I don’t know on ‘social media’, meaning twitter, facebook, fuzzelbow, whatever, whilst the remaining years of my, and their, lives wander on past in, for them, blissful ignorance.
I have not failed to notice that that in any restaurant, social event or simply walking down the street, seems that half the people are glued to their toys. People have forgotten how to communicate, read ‘talk’, to each other face to face and for me nothing is more annoying, and insulting, to be in conversation with someone and be suddenly ignored whilst the ‘someone’ is suddenly distracted by some communication on their device. Great. I’ve been known to walk away from them as they punch out messages to someone who is vastly more important than I am…and I’ll be the first to admit that I am anything but important….and then they react with surprise that I have walked away after they just spent 15 minutes typing out messages about Aunt Tessie’s bad knees. They can’t seem to fathom that good manners is good manners. Turn the damned thing off when we are having a lunch together after not seeing each other for half a year!
So be it. I’ll continue to totally ignore these toys that are ever more sophisticated, and cumbersome and expensive, and I will communicate face to face or set up times to communicate via telephone or this non portable device I’m typing on in the privacy of my home. Gives me more time to spend with my wife and our children, to write, to enjoy life and smell the roses. I guess I am, indeed, a cut above in intelligence over an amoeba dithering in protozoan mush after all.
Auslander
mod-to: Straying off-topic. Please continue this thread to the Moveable Feast Cafe.
The first thing that came to my mind when I first heard of the manned aircraft flying with the drone, was also the sacrificial lamb interpretation, and I also wondered what must be going through the minds of the crew right now.
As for Trump’s hardblowing bragadoccio performances on social media, I strongly doubt he writes those things himself. He must have some kind of alter ego team which he trusts to do a passable impersonation of the way his smoke curls up. Of course it matters very little who gets to be called “president”. It’s just a formal figurehead position. A little more autonomous than a mannequin in a windowshop, but not by much. What else can it be?
Anon, I do not think there was ever a talk (internally at the Pentagon, or whoever decided to tease the Iranians) about any of the crew being sacrificed. I am convinced that general consensus was “they won’t dare”. Why they won’t dare? because “Iranians want the nuke deal back on track, sanctions off and Iran’s money returned.
Well, Iranians proved them wrong. Although, I must say Iranians made a wise move: dropped the junk which gave the P9(?) enough time to communicate with the bosses and get away with their tail between their legs.
This also shows that Iran’s missiles work contrary to the propaganda.
Iranians shot down the U.S. drone while it was in it’s stealth mode. What does that say about Iranian technology vice U.S. technology? If I were a general in the pentagon I would have dropped something in me panties upon that news. No, there will be no U.S. attack on Iran. The U.S. defense industry, at least in international sales, just went bust. I think the Pentagon is going to be in stand-down mode for a long while; to figure out what is going on, and to clean themselves up.
will go with this takeaway a hundred percent…trump did not stop anything he was Stopped ,me think them generals follow the school of ”sun tzu school of war” the war was won even before it got ”approved”, for crying out loud sake ,this was like ten miles from the shore while the the wireless controllers who were guiding the ‘silent & stealthy’ bird were like in an underground bunker in west point or foggy bottoms ,thousands of miles away.Something went thud in the night!The Iranians keep track on anything that moves around their holy land,while the technicians are studying the feathers of the bird ,the dumpy dumpty pentagon was in a shock and awe for 12 hours,before they came out and said,”we have a bird down”…”phew THE P8 made it”.What to these war mongers expect ?…for the Iranians to sit back and pray god help them?Then we have this actor of a president twitting that he just saved 150 iranians…how to you say ,”humpty trumpty sat on a trigger”
the whole ‘bomb bomb iran’ gang want to do this the cheap way,the xbox way ,after constant war for 50 plus years they are lucky they can ’round up” a thousand able bodies and ship them to mid east to kill iranians one way or another.The only dependable human assets in mid east for this gang is their isis leaders they keep ferrying around in helis.Any one in the know expecting this gang to wag war successfully with any state actor never mind the mullahs are going to be deeply disappointed.Ariel bombing was the only game open but that is gone as well with the stealth bird downing. It would very much please the arm industry if this gang sent another stealthy bird to test the mullahs.Make no mistake the door just closed on ‘bomb bomb iran” unless they are mad enough to nuke and i mean nuke persia to glass and even that is doubtful with this gang.What is this trump saving 150 iranians life?for god sake who is he thinking he is?saviour of humanity?and by the way it is all to save the FED DOLLAR.,it is just business not personal.If the mullahs declared overnight that they don’t give a shit about palestine and sell their oil in dollars humpty dumpty trump will fly with bolton to mullah land and celebrate like there is no tomorrow.
the EMPEROR IS NAKED! get over it ,and have a nice day guys and gals.For myself i just finishing me most expensive wine…cheers!
Please refrain from using language like mad mullahs to describe Iranians – removed/replaced. Mod.
John Kerry meeting with Iranian officials without permission.
https://nypost.com/2018/09/12/kerry-admits-to-meeting-iranian-officials-over-nuclear-deal/
Senator Feinstein seen walking around the Capitol with the Iranian foreign ministers contact details visible on her phone. https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/05/16/what-dianne-feinsteins-phone-told-us-437020
The celebrations of Senators Warren and Schumer after the discussion at the Whitehouse when it was decided to strike Iran. https://www.bitchute.com/video/8yOMNIRAXZgX/
Someone wants a war with Iran, and that someone is Iran and the Democrats.
“The celebrations of Senators Warren and Schumer . . .”
Pelosi
I have said this before and will say it again.
Our only immediate hope is to see Trump voted out of office ASAP. I don’t know who the democratic candidate will be at this point, but honestly, it does not matter. So long as it is someone who does not continue the war plans with Iran, and who replaces Bolton & Pompeo, ASAP.
Trump is hesitant to start a war during his 1st term. He *knows* it will ruin his re-election chances.
However, if The Donald is elected for a second term, it is almost guaranteed he will initiate a war during his 2nd term and then leave his successor to deal with the aftermath.
If Trump can be removed democratically in 2020, and then the next president shuts the door on Israel’s plans for war with Iran, as well as reverses some of Trump’s policy decisions & sanctions, and gets rid of Bolton, this would be the best scenario by far for our immediate future. It won’t be enough to defeat the neocons, but it would put a stop to their war plans in the short-term. And that’s all we need, is to buy time until the proper pieces that are presently moving into position to Crush the Neocons Eternally are in place.
We only need to make it until the 2020 election season is back in high gear. The war cannot start before then, or we’re all fucked. God Help us.
if The Donald is elected for a second term, it is almost guaranteed he will initiate a war during his 2nd term and then leave his successor to deal with the aftermath.
Sadly, I lean towards the same conclusion.
But, frankly, if Evil Joe or the pretend-leftist Sanders, then we also have a guaranteed war.
And you can count on the DNC to torpedo Gabbard (I think that is why Sanders is running, by the way, not to win, but just to prevent Gabbard from getting the nomination).
With such “choices” it is very hard to remain optimistic.
Cheers
The Saker
@The Saker
CAF heard some rumor on Don’s 2nd term (p.s I heard that b4 he become POTUS)
see – DARK JOURNALIST & CATHERINE AUSTIN FITTS: THE MISSING MONEY DEEP STATE FASAB 56 REVEALED! – Just out today!
p/s its impossible to seperate the ‘reality TV’ with space technology stuff (and henceforthe the spiritual-ritual stuff) these days… The grand picture is way way way bigger than what they present on our designated mind-screen (s)elected ‘This is your reality-life’ channels.
All POTUS, since at least Woodrow Wilson, have been em-placed by the same extra-national collective, with their fifth column of agents increasingly in controllership at all levels government and civil service, all political parties, media, etc.
The one thing that we can be sure of, is that the next term president will be servant of their agenda, which is counter to the best interests of humanity, and their number one situational target of the moment is Iran!
In other words, the personage who gains the term presidency will make no difference.
Given the hysterical xenophobia about the Russians created by the media and the democratic party, a newly minted democratic president maybe be pushed to up the proverbial ante with military moves against Russia either in the Ukraine or Syria. And/or a sanctions regime that goes beyond anything the US has done with Iran or VZ. Given what the main democratic candidates have said about Russia, they have made diplomacy with Russia close to impossible. The deep state has not be able to gin up war fever about Iran, but they have with Russia. An aggressive (and fanatical?) anti-Russian democratic party base along with a like minded leader could lead to the unthinkable.
The neocons will try to start a war with Iran before the elections if they think Trump has a chance of losing. A democrat might re-establish the Obama agreement, and there goes the chance for a war with Iran for a number of years.
Thank you for bringing this informed strawman of potential factors to us for discussion.
Perhaps a fuller analysis later, for now, some observations from the top:
1. Trump looks like shit!
Not that he has ever been a good-looking, physical specimen, but he really awful now.
This is not a celebration, just an observation.
Just in, Justin sitting meekly next to Trump; I’m sure he loved that; just (never) going to be ready (to be a leader).
I’m wondering what kind of contingency ‘operation’ is being conducted against Trump to get the real pet pooch of the destroyers in office.
One could see a plan where Trump gets coerced/tricked/worked-around, and a war is started, then he … co-incidentally dies, taking all the blame with him, and then what else could Mr. Pence do?!?
2. Rationality for the majority, is not rationality for the haters of humanity and their agents
I’ve written this before, but where the hidden hand of the agents of the cult of hatred of humanity is certainly ensconced, using a rational analysis may be missing the entire range of likely possibility.
A hundred years after The Great War (WWI), there is far from consensus about…why it happened?
What did happen was a bunch of de-stabilization were created… by hook-or-by-crook, and then it was only a matter of increasing probability until an incident triggered the powder keg.
We see much the same thing happening now, but the crooks are way more ensconced, and, with overt hubris (as is their tendency) boldly carrying out their plans for destabilization, hidden… in front of everybody (I think your “almost baseless speculation” is the most likely explanation of the tanker troubles).
Inclusion of a third possible explanation from the perspective of the obsessive, win or destroy all mentality would be …. very enlightening, even if only providing another triangulation point.
what else….
What of the continued degradation of the credibility of the U.S. administration, and increasingly obviousness of sub-ordination by an extra-national collective, fifth-column
Surely it becomes more obvious, on a day-over-day basis that the U.S. has been annexed by a foreign agency (of course I am not suggesting the Rus)?
What are the short-, medium-, and longer-term consequences of this increasingly transparent controllership:
a. in the U.S.A.?
b. other empire vassal states?
c. pro multi-polar community of nations?
At what point is the UN utterly without credibility, while the subordinated U.S.A. has a veto?
…and lastly…
What are the short-, medium-, (longer term is, as you describe, a quazi-certainty) outlook for the U.S. dollar, thus Empire financial viability?
What happens if the pending flight from the fiat money happens prior to the quasi certain AngloZionist attack on Iran?
… is it still quasi certain?
We know a power exists that could initiate it.
Did they phone up the Drumpf and tell him what the situation is?
…attack and we are drumping all of our treasury bonds! (and buying all available gold on the world market!!!…… 想一想
My understanding… is that there is no risk of war.
War would need foot on ground. And it would take months to prepare.
And the US is simply unable to do that in time with enough force.
Leading enough time for Iran to make the necessary arrangement with proxies and in PG oil flow.
It would be disastrous for US economy already on verge of collapse.
Besides it is quite clear that China would have no other choice but to intervene one way or another at some point.
Therefore IMHO war is only zionist wet dream.
Trump plan has been all along to strangle Iran into submission. Without being able to wage full scale war with boot on the ground but only through threat.
But Trump is stupid and think that Iran will let herself be strangled with economic terrorism over time…
Surely that is not going to happen as Iran will not let unfold such scenario.
Trump cornered himself and cannot back down without losing face. And Iran is now solidly leading the political tempo and in charge of the agenda.
Therefore It is my opinion that Iran carried out the tanker bombing and will get out of the JCPOA in order to up the ante and break the Economic siege.
Whereas Trump is totally unable to call the ante with full war.
The Anglo zionist have clearly a losing hand in this gale of cjocken. The shall back down and will lose face…. Again.
Khamenei said it very clearly. The US will lose their gambit against Iran and will be even more weakened the ME and globally by their idiotic move.
Just as the US has been weakened and lost Irak, Afghanistan and other major ME countries in the past 3 decades.
The western leaders are simply implementing idiotic policies in the ME for the sake of Israel and petrodollar.
Whereas the resistance axis is planning better and have more strategic patience.
Anon, US never had Iraq or Afghanistan. They made deals, bribed the heads controlling the armed opposition to go back home and enjoy their tea, coffee or whatever else they fancy. Sadr is a prime example.
My understanding… is that there is no risk of war.
War would need foot on ground. And it would take months to prepare.
And the US is simply unable to do that in time with enough force.
Leaving enough time for Iran to make the necessary arrangement with proxies and in PG oil flow.
It would be disastrous for US economy already on verge of collapse.
Besides it is quite clear that China would have no other choice but to intervene one way or another at some point.
Therefore IMHO war is only zionist wet dream.
Trump plan has been all along to strangle Iran into submission. Without being able to wage full scale war with boot on the ground but only through threat.
But Trump is stupid and think that Iran will let herself be strangled with economic terrorism over time…
Surely that is not going to happen as Iran will not let unfold such scenario.
Trump cornered himself and cannot back down without losing face. And Iran is now solidly leading the political tempo and in charge of the agenda.
Therefore It is my opinion that Iran carried out the tanker bombing and will get out of the JCPOA in order to up the ante and break the Economic siege.
Whereas Trump is totally unable to call the ante with full war.
The Anglo zionist have clearly a losing hand in this game of chicken. They shall back down and will lose face…. Again.
Khamenei said it very clearly. The US will lose their gambit against Iran and will be even more weakened the ME and globally by their idiotic move.
Just as the US has been weakened and lost Irak, Afghanistan and other major ME countries in the past 3 decades.
The western leaders are simply implementing idiotic policies in the ME for the sake of Israel and petrodollar.
Whereas the resistance axis is planning better and have more strategic patience.
My guess….
We know that Bolton, Pompeo and Hastert would argue for a strike. Pompeo is a religious zealot who believes the day of Armageddon is the day he rises up and meets Jesus and that Jesus is actually glad to see someone who just killed billions. Bolton has built his career by always being in favor of any war, and he wouldn’t want to damage that brand image. Hastert has the morals of someone who rose to power by being the best torturer. We also know that the Saudi and Israeli money that funded Trump’s last campaign and which is certainly funding this one both want a war with Iran.
On the other hand, Trump is always lying. Bet on Trump lying 10 times in a row, and the payoffs from being right nine times will far exceed the loss of the one time Trump actually isn’t lying. We know Trump is going to lie, and to do so in a way that puts himself into the best light.
So, Bolton, Pompeo and Hastert and likely others convinced Trump to launch a strike. Trump probably went to them wanting to strike. A couple of drinks, a few prescribed pills from Dr. Feel Good, and a slanted report on Fox News and that’s all Trump needs to fire off a crazy tweet or bomb and kill people. The fact that the strike is meaningless in a larger scheme of things wouldn’t matter. And remember in all of this, Trump just fired his acting Sec of Def. He most likely did so because he was telling Trump he couldn’t attack Iran. The firing came very suddenly.
But, the people who are really in power are the generals and the admirals. They have the final decision. They tell Presidents to go get stuffed when they want to. They told Dubya to go get stuffed when Dubya/Cheney wanted to attack Iran. They’ve told Trump to go get stuffed earlier in his term. It was the generals who had to break the reality to Trump that his little light-show of a made-for-TV strike wouldn’t work, and that it would likely backfire with American casualties. That 150 dead was probably minimum American casualties in the exchange. At that point the Trump reelection team turned white as a sheet. So, politely, or maybe not so politely, they told Trump to go get stuffed and that there was not going to be an attack on Iran.
Trump is lying. He wants to pretend he was acting tough. Then he want to pretend to be concerned about 150 casualties when he kills kids on the border every week. What Trump wants to hide with his lies is that in American there is no civilian control of the military. Today, that prevented a war.
One point I read over and over, article after article, highlights the distance between US power and those it aims to bludgeon with it – namely –> Trump might not do this or that because it will harm his reelection bid. Tens of thousands could be murdered and all that but a US president must be careful on that point because … re-election. It’s demented, this calculus. It’s demented how casually it is considered. Just as I recently read a couple articles about Roosevelt pushing for war against Germany and sidling up to the communist sympathetic leftists because it would help him get reelection … . Really? This is beyond disturbing but is always just a casual mention since that’s actually the way it plays out.
” In this case, whether Trump listened to either group or simply followed his gut instincts, it appears likely that Trump (maybe a “collective Trump”) said “no, I don’t authorize this”. In this case, he does deserve our sincere praise and gratitude (irrespective of this past actions and inactions). ”
Very well said! I will light a candle for him this Sunday! A miracle.
I wonder if it was a call on the ” red telephone ” that stopped the attack ,a leak about what could have happened ?
The fact that Iranians took down the Global Hawk could be a good sign,a real deterrent against the hawks of war. The drone was in stealth mode,some other planes operate in stealth mode…no problem here.
If the ” Houthis ” ( they look more and more like Hezbollah ) can take out a Patriot defense system in KSA ( only one is enough ) ,similar to the hit of Pantsir by Israelis ,then the overall deterrent is complete. Hawks in the air and Patriots on the ground which exchange positions.
I call this Conventional Mad. Without Hawks and Patriots anything bad can happen on a large radius,even in Al Tanf or Al Tabqah.
I also hope the war is avoided in the short term. China and Russia have taken a strong position against it, China even said that only USA could be the culprit,whatever bad happens.
It’s worth considering the likely consequences if this war, which many now consider inevitable, including Saker, actually takes place.
Another years or decades long war, escalating uncontrollably and unpredictably, regionally and globally, with incalculable consequences.
The whole region set on fire.
Millions dead, relatively stable countries destroyed and turned into failed states like Iraq/ Somalia/ Libya.
The Saudi Dictatorship and the client petty sheikhdoms swept away like a house of cards.
No oil or gas exported from the region for years, or permanently.
An immediate global recession. Oil $200 and more a barrel, petrol prices a multiple of what they are now.
Economic and financial collapse. Mass unemployment. An unwinding of trillions in derivatives.
Mass refugee flows destabilising the EU.
Endemic political instability throughout the planet.
The global collapse of existing political, financial and economic systems.
The protective shield of Quisling stooges protecting the Zionist Regime swept away.
The complete collapse of the AngloZionist Empire.
And all that is just the beginning. It almost sounds farcical to add that Trump’s election prospects go down the toilet.
Something that hasn’t received much publicity (probably deliberately) is that Iranian shipping and ports were attacked earlier this month.
Half a dozen ships and installations in two ports in Iran were seriously damaged in a series of mysterious explosions.
There has been very little coverage of this.
Can you link a source?
Try jcpa.org 7/6/19 mysterious blazes on 6 iranian ships in Iranian ports
port of Shahid Rajaee
Mysterious Blazes on Six Iranian Ships in Iranian Ports
https://jcpa.org/mysterious-blazes-on-six-iranian-ships-in-iranian-ports/
Hannity is, of course, insane. You have to be morally and intellectually deranged to work for Murdoch. But, by jimminy, compared to the loons on MSNBC he seems almost human-ish. Hominidish.
The US withdrawel from the JPOC is an act meant to support the Deal of the Century. As is the continued harassment al la Strait of Hormuz and tanker incidents.
One can even guess that the so called electoral failure of Likud in recent elections was anything but a failure.
I think Trump was conned into believing Bibi would triumph when all along the real plan was for a tied outcome. A host of assets were moved into the region to support a June July showdown which can’t easily be withdrawn. Some months remain until the next vote. November is now cast as the date the gentile world has with destiny. The covenent of the many. Iran will be what wins Trump 2020. Managing that crisis throughout the electoral year in the US will provide plenty of opportunities for mistepping the Democrats. Maybe war won’t get him reelected by the brink of war and hopes for peace may well do.
Hello
There is popular uprising in Georgia, looks like somebody is interested in Georgian airfields again…
What for? Think yourself…
https://news.antiwar.com/2008/09/02/report-israeli-bombers-planned-to-use-georgian-airfields-in-iran-strike/
https://www.debka.com/russian-units-raid-georgian-airfields-for-use-in-israeli-strike-against-iran-report/
Do not doubt that these plans still exist but these are 2008 reports.
Might be helpful to include details on current disorder in Georgia, with anti-Russian sentiments.
Sorry, It looks more like a color revolution of just a relatively few highly agitated people in Georgia ( (unlike 2 million people in Hong Kong demonstrating for what amounts to more self rule). I find it hard to believe that the ordinary Georgian is much riled by so-called Russian interference in religious power struggles. Until I hear from the likes of R. Ishenko I will remain unconvinced that this is a revolution.
Now, of course, there are NGO’s in Hong Kong but not every popular mass demonstration in a country one considers one of the “good guys” is at heart a color revolution although you can be certain that their agents will be attempting to take over the leadership at some point.
As for Debka file: It is Mossad misinformation sometimes done more adroitly than others. This attempt is too clumsy to even bother to analyze critically.
The Hong Kong crowds were vastly inflated by the Western propaganda machine. And they were mostly young dupes, the prime cannon fodder for Colour Revolutions. Naive, hubristic, ignorant fools who believe that their beloved West has the ‘rule of law’ and ‘democracy’. And, as in all Colour Revolutions, their demands are open-ended and culminate in regime change to a pro-Western stooge regime, whereupon the victim country is looted and the idiot youth learn, or do not, a lesson. The NED et al have spent billions in Hong Kong over the years, as have the usual vermin of arrogant, cultural supremacist, Western NGOs, to make Hong Kong a cancer on China. Until it was plain that China would reclaim its territory, the English, who never granted the Hong Kongers ANY ‘democracy’, have also worked to aid compradore Chinese traitors like that odious little pipsqueak, Joshua (don’t you love the compradore names?)Wong.
American Govt., NGOS Fuel and Fund Hong Kong Anti-Extradition Protests
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/june/14/american-govt-ngos-fuel-and-fund-hong-kong-anti-extradition-protests/
BTW, It seems that the Americans love to propagandize the image of their latest Color Revolution pets through soft power branding techniques like churning out a documentary about them, which conveniently garner “prestigious” film awards and later are gifted distribution deals with Netflix. This tactic has been deployed for both Joshua W(r)ong and the White Helmets, with films about them being awarded the Oscar or Sundance Film Festival prize, as well as Netflix deals.
Can a fawning documentary about the Mujahideen-e-Khalq (MEK), a political darling of American “regime changers in Iran”, be far behind? LoL.
”BTW, It seems that the Americans love to propagandize the image of their latest Color Revolution pets through soft power branding techniques like churning out a documentary about them /…/”
I wouldn’t say they love doing that, especially not when the garbage promoted looks ever more unconvincing to the global audience. I can, however, imagine their malicious glee at the idiots volunteering and the folks who still believe the message — without getting paid.
Hong Kong has an extradition treaty with the USA, but Thanatopia has the ‘Rule of Law’, after all. Very efficient it is, too. I really admire the efficiency of the 99% or so conviction rate when the mug pleads Not Guilty, which makes ‘plea bargaining’ so central to the US Rule of Law. After all, when facing forty or fifty years in solitary, even the most confident individual might take the plea. As they say of US ‘Rule of Law’- ‘Better to be rich and guilty than poor and innocent’. And as Flynn and Papadopoulos show, having a memory lapse becomes a felony, which can draw twenty years in the pokey. Hell-I bet those goddammed ChiComms never even heard of ‘plea bargaining’, the swine! I hate to forget my lessons in compassion, but, by God, I’d love to see that slimy, arrogant, little ass Joshua Wong do a couple of years in a labour camp. Put some calluses on his hands. Some more.
2 million people, my foot! Just like what transpired 30 years earlier in Beijing, it’s a stunt with massively inflated figures being tossed around for public consumption. Ditto the garbage about ”human rights”. It’s plain to see that the Zionazis have no sense of shame, nor of any basic human intelligence. In 1989, when they were preparing for the final destruction of the USSR, their big, bombastic promises about global peace, happiness, and prosperity were believed by many people. Given the West’s neoliberal austerity, violence, lawlessness, rot, and decay of the last 30 years, they think their hogwash will do the trick once again?
It’s quite amusing to even bring up as an ”issue” the ”extradition” of ”dissidents” to Mainland China. The Zionazis’ regard for bourgeois legality speaks for itself. The rent-a-crowd in HongKong would benefit from getting a taste of Western jurisdiction Guantánamo style.
Vlad, I do not think this is a case. The case is about Soros pushing the rainbow and Georgians are fighting back. Georgian government is pretty well under US control, hence no need for color revolution.
Yesterday’s statements by Trump in which he downplayed the significance of the UAV loss and emphasized that there was no loss of life, seemed quite odd. They conspicuously did not fit the model of the usual bravado, and may have represented an honest reaction of someone who was caught off-guard, and was thankful that it was the UAV that was targeted and not the P-8. If the P-8 had been downed it would have been tragic. But it also would have presented an intractable problem for Trump, as he would have had no good options. So maybe the crew of the P-8 (who may have been controlling the UAV to coordinate an ELINT operation) were not the only ones cleaning out their pants. This suggests that the event was not a provocation by the U.S.
Could the events have been a provocation by Iran? To what end? Iran obviously does not want a war. And Iran did not place those aircraft there. Iran shot one down to achieve Iran’s goal, which ultimately is the freedom to trade — the antithesis of war.
Taking a broader view, what is all this about? Preventing or at least disrupting Eurasian economic integration and the diminishment of the U.S. Dollar.
It seems that Trump just avoided a trap set for him by the Washington establishment.
“It seems that Trump just avoided a trap set for him by the Washington establishment.”
Very plausible. Trump may be a lot of things, but he ain’t stupud.
Auslander
Although good news, it seems to me much more likely that this outcome happened in spite of Trump not because of Trump. Very likely that the US military command did not want to engage in a war with Iran. Also possible that big money, finance, banking or corporate interests may have objected to the possible severe outcomes to the finance sector. Trump is like a little kid toying with a hand grenade. Fortunately adults were able to intervene. They simply told Trump no. I’m sure Trump would have been more than happy to give Israel its war. Good to see that Israel is not all powerful.
Bullshit of the highest order from Trump. The US military has proven to be a bunch of risk-averse pussies who would stay away from anything that presents more than a slight risk of death. The drone downing has turned up their cowardice meter to the 11th, and the only logical explanation IMO is they will not comply with an Iran strike even if Trump gave the order.
I’m as certain as can be that Trump’s alleged “aborted strike” on Iran exists only in his own fantasies and the propaganda of his Wall Street and Pentagon paymasters. Amerikastan always fires cruise missiles at targets capable of shooting back. It doesn’t send manned, sorry, warcriminalled, aircraft because if the war criminals are shot down and blown to pieces, or captured alive and dragged in chains before television cameras, it’s bad for the morale of the latte swigging pussyhatter verminous fascist liberal humanitarian interventionist scum who support Amerikastani aggression as long as all the dead are on the other side.
“I have not said such a thing in many months, but in this case I can only admit that Trump did the right thing.”
By being part of the psywar. In my opinion, Ramin Mazaheri’s view of what zionazia’s trump quislings were up to better fits the reality.
Trump’s ‘near strike’ shows US hesitation caused by Iranian unity & patience
/trumps-near-strike-shows-us-hesitation-caused-by-iranian-unity-patience/
“I am deeply skeptical that the US ever initiated a missile strike against Iran and then called it off, as was claimed by The New York Times.
“It was not clear whether Mr. Trump simply changed his mind on the strikes or whether the administration altered course because of logistics or strategy. It was also not clear whether the attacks might still go forward.”
About as clear as mud, I’d say. A smarter editor would have held the story… but this is The New York Times.
Every person and every nation has their own style of negotiating.
The historical US style is defined by never keeping promises, and by refusing to negotiate until peak US leverage has been obtained. US President Donald Trump’s business-influenced style is to use chaos and instability as a way to create turmoil among his opponents in order to increase his leverage. Trump Uses Chaos To Get Things Done, to quote a recent headline from The Atlantic.”
Basic psywar tactics, actually. There was no planned pindo attack on Iran.
So the AngloZionist Empire is now admitting that its drones can be shot down?!!… Priceless!
Maybe with advanced electromagnetic weapons? Or with Keshe’s new physics?
https://southfront.org/mines-dont-jump-alternative-version-of-oil-tankers-attack-in-gulf-of-oman/
Seems more likely that the oil tankers were fired upon using MQ series drones with either hellfire missiles or harpoon missiles. It is entirely unlikely Iran mined the ships. It is time to reconsider any narrative positing Iran’s involvement in these incidents.
Those holes were not caused by any ASM! And they were not caused by any known naval mine. An old fashioned RPG would cause similar damage. The entire event reeks of a false flag operation.
Elijah Magnier has an interesting story from his Iranian sources about a deal proposed by US intelligence to allow token strikes.
In Syria the Hegemon first realized that its ability to topple a government militarily is limited.
In Venezuela the Hegemon first realized that its phony color revolutions can be blocked.
And now, in Iran, the Hegemon is slowly coming to grips with the fact it can’t start a war whenever it pleases.
It must suck to be Hegemon.
Hello Mr. Saker,
ther seems to be another party that does not want a war with Iran: A few Markets like US stocks, bonds and gold.
The stock market is at bubble levels and seems to need much “support” to keep going up.
War might burst the bubble.
Bond yields are going down, that seems to be to some part to help stocks, finance the government and pretend inflation is low to non-existent.
A spiking oil price due to war does not fit in this narrative, it may trigger inflation and much higher interest rates and lower bond prices.
That would pressure stocks by making financing corporations much more expensive.
Gold is the alternative to paper in general; Wall Street hates it, at leeast the metal, “paper gold” may be acceptable.
In war physical gold is considered safer then paper and goes up in price.
That would show a warning that not everything is well and all three markets reverse; Stocks go down, bonds go down and gold goes up.
A war would exclude Iran from the dollar-based payment system. Which alternatives are there that Iran and its trading partners trust?
Gold settlement?
A war may mean:
Stocks down, bonds down and gold up.
Throw in some serious doubts about the gold supposedly stored in various places in the US and there is a deterrent for war from an unexpected player.
The last real audit happened a looong time ago. If all the gold was there why not do an proper audit with the proper testing?
If the US has to come up with the gold and fails to do so internatiional trust is gone instantly.
So call the war off, extend and pretend as long as possible.
There is this theory coming from Magnier and Moon mainly, that Iran is strategizing on a method of “pushing US President Donald Trump to the edge of the abyss, raising the level of tensions to new heights in the Middle East”
Magnier says that : “According to well-informed sources, Iran rejected a proposal by US intelligence – made via a third party – that Trump be allowed to bomb one, two or three clear objectives, to be chosen by Iran, so that both countries could appear to come out as winners and Trump could save face. Iran categorically rejected the offer and sent its reply: even an attack against an empty sandy beach in Iran would trigger a missile launch against US objectives in the Gulf.”
I don’t know what to make of it, but it is out there and being discussed avidly. The reasoning seems to be that something must ‘give’ somewhere in this whole picture and Iran will push in any direction to make something break in the sanctions area. On the face of it, it makes sense as a strategy, but if it is indeed so, it is one of the most dangerous strategies out there.
https://ejmagnier.com/2019/06/21/iran-and-trump-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/
Magnier has a history of writing, at times, as if he spent four hours on a hookah before he wrote it.
His erratic track record undercuts his otherwise, sometimes, accurate insider info.
But know this, he is fed info to disseminate. So he is a tool of the psy-war.
Now think through this scenario carefully. Well-informed sources (not even himself) told him Iran rejected the offer from the US (to participate in face-saving of Trump) all made by a third party.
That’s like five steps from the either the Centcom, Intel or Iranian leadership (political, clerical or military?)
If you believe this, I heard of a guy from sources I can’t tell you about who has a bridge in Brooklyn that for 19.99 a month, you can have, if you agree to hold your breath for twelve hours.
It is delusional, ridiculous nonsense from Magnier, again. I always read his instant news with a sharp filter.
I’m paying attention to this one because Moon of Alabama came up with it first. So Magnier then added some ‘spice’. Yes, sometimes we have to ask what he is smoking in that pipe :-)
My interest is to get closer to the Iranian strategy and this is why I mentioned this. I like your ‘synthetic MAD’ but only on the kinetic side. On the sanctions side, more are being announced at the moment.
The power of Sanctions has only been defused by Russia absorbing the losses, using the force of sanctions to invent and innovate to replace non-Russian products, and to use Patience strategically because Sanctions hit many beyond the target country. Europeans have suffered 5:1 compared to the Russians under sanctions.
Iran bungled their economy, and had, until recently, only proxies on its side. Strategically, Iran wanted to stand alone. However, China and Russia and even Turkey wanted Iran to ally for the ME control of Kurds and to join with BRI and EAEU. Finally, Iran moved on these opportunities.
Iran can’t do what Russia did. It is stuck in its ideology, religious and political.
It’s insistence of using Syria as a base against Israel shows the weakness in its strategy.
Meanwhile, not only sanctions but insurgencies from MEK, from US proxies ISIS and AQ launch at and inside Iran. This creates security issues unlike what Russia faces in recent post-Crimea sanctions.
We see Russia is moving to assist with banking and oil sales for Iran in an attempt to stabilize revenues for them.
The danger for anyone who helps Iran is the history, up to the minute, of Iran using friends and allies to fight its battles, sort of like cannon fodder. Islamic militias from Afghan, Iraq and Syria, and Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and Houthis are some of the “assets” Iran uses. It is tricky stuff offering alliance with Iran.
Russia has shown displeasure with Iran in Syria post victory. The constant Israeli raids keeps foreign investment and reconstruction money out of the country. And what does it gain Iran short term? Nothing. They could return later when the government in Damascus was strong and the economy back to normal. They chose immediately to play tag with Tel Aviv. Who suffers? Their dear friends the Syrians and Assad. It frustrates the Astana process of political reconstruction and empowers the UN process controlled by the US. Stupid.
Iran is no dream buddy to anyone. And it is in a world of hurt even without a war.
Iran must have it’s best-alternative-to-a-negotiated-agreement in the context of the completely predictable zionist game plan.
The occupational colony in Palestine will never negotiate nor co-exist in good faith; the trend analysis, over 2500 years, is extremely compelling.
Consequently, preparations to send thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of rockets at the zionist entity is critical to the survival of Iran.
The anglozionist plan to take out both Lebanon and Syria has failed, to no small extent, because of Iran and their ideological and pragmatic allies in the region.
They entered into the scandalously invasive nuclear inspection deal, despite the fact that the zionist colonial entity has nuclear weapons, and has not even signed the non-proliferation pack; under U.S. law, and much of the international community, sanctions are required by (in this case nation-state-like) entities possessing nuclear weapons (even though stolen from the US).
Iran, through their long continuous civilized history, has learned that they cannot trust anyone with their survival; they were invited in, by the democratically representative government of Syria, and their activities there are well justified under international law.
They seem to be cooperating with Russia and China to the very best of their ability, while taking the (truly) necessary steps to secure their very survival as a civilization.
So, when considering these geopolitical chess, being played out, keep in mind that Iran has managed, against full onslaught by malevolent aggression, to make these tactical deployments, and retain critical tactical elements, which are likely the difference between its survival or not.
One has a difficult time not admiring their tenacity.
L445, with respect I find some of your comment a bit strange, their faults and imperfections aside, given where they’ve started from, since the beginning of the revolution they have made remarkable progression, they were not starting with the level of development that post-USSR Russia started with.
Can you blame Iran wanting to be strategically independent, as much as Russia and China are allies/partners/etc they are also the Russia and China that voted multiple times in the UN against Iran when it suited them so I think a wider perspective is warranted, that said, it would seem they are more aligned these days and that is better for the world.
I offer this link to a fairly balanced analysis with lots of facts that paint a truer comparison of pre-Revolution ’79 to present development over 40 years of theocratic rule.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/iransource/iran-s-economic-performance-since-the-1979-revolution
It is edifying in some points, and provides a factual basis for discussion.
amarynth
“I’m paying attention to this one because Moon of Alabama came up with it first.”
That alone should have sent up the “warning flag” that it was zionazi-gay “damage control” propaganda. I read bernhard’s article at ICH, it’s his usual clever approach, but it didn’t wash there. Almost all, if not all the comments there disagreed with him that Iran was responsible for the latest tanker false flag. Don’t think I’ve ever seen such a universal disagreement with an article at ICH in the comments.
The moa writer specializes in reinforcing zionazi-gay propaganda in such a way that it will appeal to left leaning people. The main point of his article was to reinforce in the minds of people resistant to the usual zionazi-gay propaganda (“msm”) that Iran was indeed behind the attacks.
Magnier shot himself in the foot by repeating the nonsense. It essentially convinced me he isn’t worth the time.
”According to well-informed sources, Iran rejected a proposal by US intelligence – made via a third party – that Trump be allowed to bomb one, two or three clear objectives, to be chosen by Iran /…/”
I think it was wrong by Iran to categorically reject that offer. At least for the fun of it, they could have suggested Tel-Aviv, the White House (on the condition that you-know-who is actually sitting there!), and Riyadh. Iran’s popularity would rise to stratospheric levels in a heartbeat accompanied by roaring laughter!
”Yes, it is a sad day when one has to rejoice that the US President is marginally less stupid and less ignorant than one of the big talking heads on the US idiot box”
The media whores are Certified Human Garbage, but not necessarily more stupid and ignorant than the Orange Baboon. It’s a simple division of labour where the media whores are tasked with keeping the Western middle classes and labour aristocracies ideologically reliable. Torrents of reactionary lies and vulgarities come in handy, given the audience. At bottom, Mr. Orange Baboon is no different, but his job differs, as it involves an international audience to which US violence and lawlessness need to be justified in less ignorant and stupid verbiage.
Nothing the U.S. does in he Middle East nowadays is to further their own interests. The U.S. government, and most Western governments for that matter, is entirely in the thrall of the Israel. Israel’s goal is to bring chaos to the countries still resisting it in order to open the way to land theft without serious opposition. In that context, Israel wins by the mere fact of a war between the U.S. and Iran, irrespective of the outcome, because what is certain is that any war will destroy the capability of Iran to oppose Israeli expansionism.
This to my mind this first article is important in that it takes down the utter and complete bull s…. which the zionists publish in the main propaganda organs of the empire. Rarely does this bull get challenged but this article is an exception but it will get a fraction of the attention and readership that the bugle blasts, NYT, WAPO, CNN, MSNBC, get in their service to the empire. To state the obvious, this crap must be refuted for its lies and omissions but it rarely happens. But it must happen:
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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/bret-stephens-warmonger/
The teaser for a recent Bret Stephens column in The New York Times accurately summarizes its contents: “If Iran won’t change its behavior we should sink its navy.”
We’ve done it before and, by golly, we can do it again. Stephens offers his readers this sanitized version of history to make his case: “On April 14, 1988, the U.S.S. Samuel B. Roberts, a frigate, hit an Iranian naval mine while sailing in the Persian Gulf. The explosion injured 10 of her crew and nearly sank the ship. Four days later, the U.S. Navy destroyed half the Iranian fleet in a matter of hours. Iran did not molest the Navy or international shipping for many years thereafter.”
Stripped bare of context, that paragraph is factually correct. But stripping it of context, as Stephens does, transforms it into a form of untruth, not a blatant lie perhaps, but an exercise in sleight of hand. Indeed, the very purpose of his column is not to enlighten, but to deceive and manipulate.
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Another example of article attempting to refute the crap out there:
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/paul-pillar/brink-war-iran-63712
As noted earlier, it does not require much effort to cut through this fog. It is up to editorial boards, other opinion leaders, and especially the U.S. Congress to make that effort.
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As these two articles reflect, there is an effort but it is small in comparison to the mamouth zionist effort to control the message. I wish to avoid the trite observations about hope as hope is not a strategy (I know, preaching to the choir does come to mind) but if one looks, there is some reason to believe that the bull s… may not be as persuasive and universal as it once was.
Stephens is a Jew of the very worst type, the hyper-belligerent, fascistic, supremacist hater of the goyim. He is also an anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialist, illustrating either intellectual insufficiency or a hatred of Life on Earth. There is, among this type of Zionazi, hatred so virulent that it often seems to spill over into the positive delirium of a fulminating death-wish, not just for their myriad enemies, but also for themselves. It would be interesting to see specimens like Stephens psycho-analysed, during their life terms for propagandising for aggressive war and genocide, that is. I think it would be found that Thanatos and Mortido reign supreme inside his festering psyche.
The roots of extreme Zionazi hatefulness seem, to me, to lie in a generalised viciousness of character. There you would look to heredity, upbringing and socialisation, particularly the rewards on offer for alpha Zionazi attack-dogs in the propaganda system, as causative. Then you might take into consideration the essential xenophobia and belligerence of Judaism down through the millennia, from its roots in separation from and hatred of the goyim, expressed in the genocidal fantasies of the Book of Joshua and the religions festivities of Passover and Purim. These were often exacerbated by Judaic onslaughts on non-Jews, mythical and real as in the Kitos War, and vicious reprisals by the goyim upon the Jews, culminating in the horror of the Nazi Judeocide. That most recent (but not the last if Bibi has his way)horror has since afflicted many Jews with a real fear and rabid detestation of the goyim, mostly taken out on helpless victims like the Palestinians, but often threatened against the whole of humanity by various indiscreet Zionazi figures. And there has undoubtedly been an epigenetic affect on the descendants of survivors of the Judeocide, just as there will be for generations among the Palestinians, Syrians, Iraqis and other victims of Zionazi hatred and aggression.
Stephens represents one pole of Jewish society, while, in my opinion, figures like Chomsky, Barenboim, Israel Shahak and others (mostly dead, come to think of it)represent the opposite end of the spectrum. And it is, in my opinion, the Stephens of the community who will lead them, and the rest of us, into a Hell of hatred and destruction.
Can’t you have a rational discussion without interjecting your religious beliefs ?
I know it can get pretty hot in the Mulga, almost enough to fry your brains, but surely not enough for consensus ad idem with Al Gore?
Curioser and curiouser
A Saudi intelligence chief pleaded with British authorities to carry out limited strikes against Iranian military targets, just hours after Donald Trump aborted planned US attacks against the Islamic Republic, a senior UK official told Middle East Eye.
The intelligence chief was accompanied by Saudi diplomat Adel al-Jubeir on his trip to London, the source said.
Still, the Saudi lobbying efforts fell on deaf ears, according to the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.
“Our people were sceptical,” the source said, adding that the Saudi official was told a plain “no” in response to the request.
The Saudi official also provided additional intelligence linking Iran to a recent attack on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman, but his British counterparts were “not impressed” with the new evidence.”
Might have influenced Trump if known of before…Saudi is more behind all this than we aware of?????? As UK has a lot of military out there training and supplies etc and shoukd know rhis info and a UK court has just adjudicated UK arms sales to Saudi against Yemen illegal…. And Trump wavering in his Saudi relations?..note a UK foreign minister is in Iran 23rd to try to de escalate things. UK still holds back a lot of Iranian money could be a bargaining point …plus it is denied that the warning to Iran from USA via Oman occured…and Iran berates the country ” hosting ” at the USA base drones used against Iran……could get hot that direction maybe… ..
Adding to your list, the US Senate voted this week to block $8B in emergency arms sales to the Saudis. It’s not a veto-proof majority. The sale will go through.
The usurping of Congress’ 30-day approval prerogative with the emergency measure is a little too much for polite company to swallow especially as it comes on the heels of the freshly re-damning UN Khashoggi report.
So there’ll be a new wave of global revulsion. Anyway, Congress is on record with its moral signalling that changes nothing. Sen. Menendez even managed to toss in his trepidation over the Houthi bloodbath, something he’s been meaning to grandstand on for years, except the right buying event never came around. In short, everybody’s happy.
As Stratfor’s Ryan Bohl remarked of the newly released UN report, “it increases the reputational risks for US entities doing business with Saudi Arabia”. Reputational risk. Lol.And to think only a few short months ago we thought the world of the House of Saud! Lockheed Martin shareholders lay awake at night fearing for their reputations.
The one upside is that there’s a bone-saw exclusion in the new arms bill-of-lading.
On the brightest dark side, there may yet remain acts so heinous in this tired old world that genuine revulsion can actually shift policy direction. You just gotta saw a lotta bones to get there anymore.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/449511-senate-votes-to-block-trumps-saudi-arms-sale
Pompeo just a few days before the global hawk downing paraphrased:
“Just one American life lost will begin military action against Iran.”
The 35 lives lost had the Iranians shot down the P8 instead of the drone would have been the trigger for attack that the B team wanted. Slobberings about who called off the attack is narrative management and nothing more. Iran didn’t fall for the bait, they didn’t even follow protocol and fire 2 missiles at a single target.
I think the Bolton Gang knows it needs dead bodies to get Childe Donald to whack Iran – hence the presence of the P-8, the real target. Sick, ain’t it? They’ve been gifted a miracle in Orange Butterball – vain, stupid, confused, malleable, a baby hippo with mommy issues – but the window is small; he’s at risk of 1. an impeachment process, 2. simply keeling over, 3. full-frontal dementia, 4. losing in 2020. There needs to be another false-flag: a shot-up KC-46, maybe a stove-in destroyer. Trump will be told he’ll be waltzing into a re-election, and the Goobers will love it.
What will happen if US attacks Iran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiR3OYOyxCE
Attacking Iran, US will open the gates of hell – George Galloway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvTPVvj_IE
CrossTalk on US vs Iran: Careening Toward War?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsrY79s3Mws
Good detail on map which supports Iranian assertion that drone was shot down in its territorial air space: (translate via Chrome/..yandex translate is better.Mod.):
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5085134.html
I read a report the other day that suggested that Iran has suffered sabotage attacks on its oil facilities and other facilities over recent months, and that therefore the tanker attacks might have been Iranian retaliation for those sabotage attacks.
That is possible, but I’m inclined to believe the tanker incidents were Israeli actions, or proxies working with Israeli assets, because Israel is known to engage in attacks on third parties which are intended to be blamed on Israel’s enemies by Israel’s allies. The tanker attacks fit that sort of operation.
As I’ve said before, Israel can’t afford an Iran war until Hezbollah in Lebanon is degraded. My guess is that someone informed Trump that there might be consequences from a limited strike on Iran that either Trump or Israel would not like. The excuse that he didn’t want 150 Iranians to die from his strike over a downed drone is simply laughable.
According to reports today, Trump told Iran about the strike being planned and Iran told him in no uncertain terms that there would be “regional and international consequences” for the attack. I have also read that Iran and its allies – including Hezbollah in Lebanon – have some sort of “coordination center” whereby Iran keeps its allies informed about is plans and responses to US aggression. This suggests that Hezbollah might be used as retaliation method against Israel if the US attacks Iran on any level. If that is the case, it is possible that Israel got Trump to pull back from his attack.
In my view, either someone derailed Trump’s strike by informing him of certain negative consequences, or he decided at the last minute to pull back just to show his advisers who their boss is – until the next time they lead him by the nose into doing something stupid.
The real problem is that this incident shows how easily Trump can be manipulated to launch a military attack on Iran, whether big or small doesn’t matter. What happens if the false flag provocations get bigger? Will Trump continue to pull back, given his antipathy to Iran and unwavering support of Israel? I think not.
Hi,
Thank you for this article. Thanks too for mentioning John Michael Greer’s work. I find his work most insightful and at time quite humors.
Hannity is totally delusional. My dread is that most of his listeners are just as delusional.
The sheer number of counter-factual and plainly stupid things Hannity manages to squeeze into just under 7 minutes is, by itself, a remarkable feat.
For a moment, I had to remind myself that it was not comedy and then suddenly I realized he meant those things. The rant is remarkable.
What really scare is that the claims that America has the best army, the best weapons,
the best barbequed ribsseems to be something all Americans seem to believe. Hubris can cause a huge amount of death and suffering.I much appreciated InHannity’s ranting demand that the USA get more, newer, weapons, so that it can destroy countries anywhere on Earth from the safety of the Homeland. Ideal for such cowards. He’s like a sort of charmless, stupid, amalgam of Streicher and Sgt. Hartman from ‘Full Metal Jacket’.
Exclusive: Leaked Audio Shows Saudi-MKO Collusion over Tanker Attacks
https://ifpnews.com/exclusive/exclusive-leaked-audio-shows-saudi-mko-collusion-over-tanker-attacks/
List of US drones shot down and seized by Iran
https://www.facebook.com/WeAreHussaniBornToDIe/photos/pcb.1298403450318704/1298403426985373/?type=3&theater
US ‘launched cyberattacks on Iran weapons’ after drone downing
US officials say the attacks on Iranian military computers disabled systems that control missile and rocket launchers.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/trump-approved-cyber-attacks-iran-drone-downing-190623054423929.html
The U.S. military consumes an enormous amount of fuel. It seems to me they are vulnerable to running out of fuel in a conflict with Iran.
“2) an Iranian provocation: yup, that is a theoretical possibility which cannot reject prima facie: in this scenario it was indeed the Iranians who blew up the two tankers last week and they also deliberately shot down the US UAV over international waters.”
My understanding is that though the Strait of Hormuz is considered to be international waters, the air space over these waters is quite national and divided between Iran and the UAE (and Oman if one includes the area just to the SE of the Strait.) . Thus saying that an aircraft was shot down “over international waters” is essentially meaningless. But researching this subject is very complex as there are still conflicting national positions regarding the water and the air space.
I guess that someone finally managed to advise Mr. Trump that if he proceeds with the strike, the Iranians may respond in kind. And the Iranians don’t need to actually “win” the engagement; for them it’s suffice not to lose. And if such engagement indeed had happened, the US carrier group could have suffered sufficient damage to put it out of commision for a long time. The Iranians probably wouldn’t have sinked it, but for the average americans banging up an aricraft carrier would’ve been a rude awakenging from the dream of the US “invincibility”. And make no mistake – inflicting massive damage of US carrier group is too good news for the MSMs to pass, no matter how subservient they are to the party line. And that’s the small problem. The bigger problem is that if Iranians succeed in stopping the carrier group cold, probably via use of Russian- or, more likely, Chinese-made anti-ship missiles, everyone in the world will start using the US Navy as a punch bag. And, of course, they’ll buy a lot of those ASMs – a hunder medium-range ASMs probably cost much less than a blue-water navy, and would do much better job at protecting the one’s costline and stopping the pirates, a.k.a. the US Navy.
At this point, Mr. Trump has no other option, but to play the PR card – by ordering the navy to stand down at the last possible moment. he could say in the MSMs – “see, we could’ve attacked, but decided to place nice and to back down at the last possible moment”, conveniently omitting the fact, that if the engagement actually took place, the damage and the casualties, suffered by the carrier group would’ve been significant. The damage to the US reputation of the “invincibility”of their fleets would be much greater. And when this happens – it’s “game over” of the US. When everyone has the ability to stop your fleet dead in the water, you can’t project power abroad. And if you can’t do that – well, this is how the empires wither and die.
whichever way you dice it and analyse what happened with the persian theocracy military and the used to be ’empire’ is, nothing is as it seems.We will never know actually what happened before the used to be empire backed off,maybe in 50 years it might come out.Nobody is clear about ‘another military plane’ that was with the shot down ‘stealthy’ bird ,what and why was it there?,the mullah’s military ’35’ maybe a code word for something else.
caution is recommended taking everything said by either side as true,truth maybe stranger than fiction,this incidence has nothing to do with freedom and democracy, it may be entirely to bring in the persian black gold into the western franchise as is arabian black gold.This has been going on since 1953 when the ‘west’ regime changed a democratically elected government.Ordianry peeps in persia and the west are being played big time ,for other ulterior motive by some ‘powers’.Dont dring ‘we vs them’kool aide.It is just business not personal.
but the result of this incidence are good for an overall good outcome,the empire is not INDOMITABLE.But the mullahs should be flexible and not bring more suffering to ordinary persians.The ordinary americans should tell their politicians to ,”say what you mean and mean what you say”.Otherwise the pattern of endless war is upon us all.have a nice day ww111 is postponed till after 2020…..phew!
It now appears the plan was to draw fire on the drone to cause the “accidental” shootdown of a 35 manned aircraft made to lurk in the background, to justify a major response. Only the Iranian tech was much better than the Syrian that the jews conned assad into shooting down a the Russian AWACS. We are dealing with advanced devils here, I fear for the goyim GI Jodys serving as cannon fodder for the chosen in the Gulf.
Just a point of irony I suppose. As some left pundits have noted, the election of Obama destroyed the anti-war movement. Or really exposed the anti-Iraq war movement as more anti-Bush, than antiwar. But with the reactions to Ben Shapiro and Hannity, it seems there is sort of a good sized anti-war segment of American society: and it is called “Trump supporters”. The democrats and “left” are not against war. Their beef is that a republican would be leading it.
https://www.rt.com/business/462703-golden-asteroid-everyone-billionaire/
Information at end of attached article places into context the huge geopolitical consequences of Romania in the growing anti imperialist block.
You left out the possibility that Trump never had a retaliation plan, that was indeed ‘called off.’ His saying that he did, could well have been a lying ploy to make him look ‘moral, compassionate, and somehow calculating any possible response, in line with the traditional concepts of ‘Just War.’ Does his babbling irrational ‘Obliteration’ rhetoric dovetail with someone focused on restraint? Does the continuing dispatch of U. S. forces to the region indicate a focus on restraint? The Americans know if and when they do launch a bombing campaign against Iran, the floodgates of a regional war may very well be opened. If that were to occur, the risk of escalation cannot be accurately estimated–with ‘worst case’ alternatives a distinct possibility.
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Who in US could actually benefit from Iran war?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YXY6KRIBck
Fareed: White House is wrong on Iran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2KjDxrMd1o
Where was the U.S. drone when Iran shot it down?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoAnRqSBtQ4
Trump is making US-Iran war ‘inevitable’ – author
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSiv5Flhfgk
Iran blew up 2 tankers ?? Really ?
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-researcher-suggests-israel-get-nastier-with-iran-sink-sub-illicit-false-flag-2012-9
https://youtu.be/jUMdzJ54yao