The situation on the ground is very confused, there are a lot of rumors and few verifiable facts. Still, a few things are becoming obvious:
1) So far the offensive of the neo-Fascists is lame, at best. So far, no determined and sustained attack has occurred. There was an exchange of gunfire with casualties and at least one fatality reported in Slaviansk, but that occurred on the outskirts of the city and the attacking forces withdrew.
2) The quality and determination of the anti-Fascist resistance has dramatically increased over the past 24 hours. Many more cities have seen uprisings, including cities which in the past had been completely quiet. From the video footage form the region, the quality of the barricades has also dramatically increased and there are now armed men protecting them.
3) The resistance appears to be much better coordinated and volunteer units are being formed to reinforce the cities under attack (such as Slaviansk).
4) The so-called “anti-terrorist operation” announced by the freaks in Kiev appears to be executed primarily by SBU forces. There are, so far, no signs of either police or military participation in it.
It is too early to call this one and we need to wait for at least 24 hours before we can make some conclusion. But my very preliminary impression is that if things continue down this path the east and south of the Ukraine will simply secede from Kiev and the freaks in power there. What is becoming obvious is that with every passing day the chances of somehow keeping the Ukraine as a unitary state are becoming smaller and smaller. I cannot say that it would break my heart to see this obscene creation finally collapse in an orgy of incompetence and hateful rhetoric, but I also believe the breakup of the Ukraine will create a lot of headaches for Russia and that that these headaches will be very hard to deal with in the midst of what I can only call “Cold War II”. I still think that a federal unitary Ukraine is the better option, but I am beginning to seriously doubt that this is still possible.
Lastly, as a side bar: the Regnum news agency reports that Alexander Lukashenko has made some really insane statements over the Ukraine including that he is opposed to federalization and that he considers Turchinov to be an honest man how can be trusted. Not that he makes much of a difference, but I wonder if he is trying to make friendly with the US and EU again or if he basically has gone crazy.
Let’s see what the next 24 hours bring. The situation should become clearer by Monday evening.
Stay tuned,
The Saker
Federation, yes; but within Russia.
This is taking place better than expected, in many regards because “Yats” is a pansy and no military man would respect himself from following his orders. And it looks much more authentic than the Crimea annexation; “optics” are so important here.
The rumor mill is telling me that the far right in Ukraine is going to turn their venom on the IMF government soon, perhaps by May 9.
Putin will need to pour a lot of money into the new territories, preferably in the form of infrastructure, make-work jobs and tax breaks. But it is an investment that will pay off not only in terms of cementing the new territories, but of creating a magnet that will pull other friendly nations into their orbit. The problem with siezing a buffer is that you need a new buffer. That was the EU/IMF/NATO/World Bank strategic error in Ukraine.
I published my first predictions on the future of Ukraine on March 1. At that point I predicted that Novorossiya would join the Eurasian Union.
13 hours ago I wrote this:
I will now update my prediction on the future of the Federal Republic of Ukraine and Novorossiya (short form: “The Ukraine”)
Oleg #Tsarev will become the leader of the Novorossiyan Federal Republic, a position he has already taken.
Victor Yanukovych will return to Kiev as per the February 21st agreement between him and the EU Foreign Ministers.
Banderite western Ukraine (extended Galicia–Volhynia) will become a monolingual, Ukrainian republic within the Federation.
You may consider this the authoritative Russian position on the issue. I am sure my friend Vladimir Vladimirovich agrees.
I may be wrong on this. The increased level of violence we have seen today and the incredible success of the revolution make me doubt that Ukraine will be able to stay together, even as a federation. If that is to happen the junta / the US must come to the negotiation table today! (After that it would be easy. Russia would tell exactly what to do.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GrQ8-qQtyc
together with this
http://putnik1.livejournal.com/3028139.html
Lukashenko remarked that it’s very easy to carry out a Federalization – a better solution would be to keep Ukraine intact as one country, and steer them away from the West. But, that is much harder to do.
I still believe a counter-coup is possible once the inability of the Kiev crazies becomes manifest–it’s pretty clear no coercive forces want to side with it, since the centrist forces at Maidan have clearly been betrayed.
Saker,
The term federation has been used frequently of late. Can you give any specifics as to what is entailed, such as taxation and regulation?
T1
He basically said that it makes sense to deal with the next man in the chain of command in the absence of a president, who happens to be Turchinov. He said that he heard him out, and made his conclusions. At the same time he blamed Yanukovich for not having the balls to carry out a counter-terrorist operation to clear out maidan. So I don’t know what to make of it: he may be trying to please everybody with his statements.
He basically said that it makes sense to deal with the next man in the chain of command in the absence of a president, who happens to be Turchinov. He said that he heard him out, and made his conclusions. At the same time he blamed Yanukovich for not having the balls to carry out a counter-terrorist operation to clear out maidan. So I don’t know what to make of it: he may be trying to please everybody with his statements.
Hi saker
The coup government is announcing a second operation.
Calling it a full military operation
the situation is indeed confusing
but potentially very serious
Crazy Ivan says…
Another text of yours in which I must admit you were too optimistic. I’d say I find too much wishful thinking in your analyses.
If you knew UPA, not blinded by your authentic hate against so called papists and “polskie Pany” (Polish Landlords/Masters/Lords), if you new the West from the latest years, e.g. listening to so called Conservative Talk Shows, if you truly believed what you said about Russia and Russians and what “Russia says”, you wouldn’t be in position forcing you to constantly correcting your “forebodings”.
You didn’t answered to my few salient questions (you hadn’t to) e.g. Ukraine in one generation perspective or what to do with fascists shooting Russian population of Ukraine.
The West will do _everything_ to beat the shit out of Russia and so it does.
Half an hour ago Mr Oleg Tsarev, presidential candidate, said on Россия 24 channel that one of FSB officers told him they have nothing to say or to do, the command is somewhere else (CIA?). What about Mr John O. Brennan’s visit to Kiev? How long will you be waiting to confirm the info? (A small acridity from my side).
I know Russian language rather poorly but he said as well there are not going to be any elections with Western candidates not been able to go to the East and vice versa and with armed civilians walking the streets.
Where Russia wants to help Russians or not it doesn’t matter – they MUST or they will loose her face, not mentioning her President’s credibility.
(Russia: Kiev’s orders to use the army to crack down on protests is criminal)
Rusia: La orden de Kiev de utilizar al Ejército para sofocar las protestas es criminal
http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/125112-rusia-orden-kiev-ejercito-protestas-criminal
Indeed!
And the instructions have been given to the Kiev’s Junta by the CIA boss, John Brennan, who has come in Ucraine “de incognito”. (Source: Ria Novosti, Spanish version: http://sp.ria.ru/international/20140413/159764936.html).
Sorry I could not find the English version of this article in the English RIA site.
So, I’m afraid there will be rivers of blood. I wish I am mistaken.
USA is maddened with hysteria!!!!
And Obama is the worst US president EVER! Worse than babybush, even, and that is quite something.
@Anonymous:And Obama is the worst US president EVER! Worse than babybush, even, and that is quite something
I totally agree. I did not think that it was possible to be worse then Baby Bush aka Dubya, but Obama proved me wrong. But let me spoil your day even worse: can you imagine what a McCain or Hillary Presidency would look like? Really, really scary shit, if you ask me.
God help us all!
Cheers,
The Saker
Lukashenko may be expressing support for Tyrchinov in preference to the neofascists completely taking over. This may be an ineffective effort, even unskilled, but is not crazy.
Putin’s ambiguity about Yanukovych’s role and Crimean annexation means that the camarilla which thought it would use the neofascists, then ease them out, is desperate. They can’t simply agree to federalize because a reversion to the February agreement puts them out, but, given the Crimea precedent, federalizing may mean losing the better half of the country.
They can’t just kick out the neofascists. They are too weak, as losing Crimea proved. They also can’t neutralize because they were all about signing on with the EU. I think they have realized that if they rely on the neofascists, they are the ones who might be eased out.
Crazy Ivan says…
@ Anon 13 April, 2014 14:23
What’s bad for Russia, it’s good for the US. A platitude.
But I would do the same to US what US did to Chinese Embassy in Belgrade – I’d send one Russian Tomahawk directly to the floor of the building in Kiev where CIA is said to have set its command and control center – “Oh, we are sorry, just unfortunate accident” – then pay 10 mln $ to Ukraine for the mess.
Crazy Ivan says…
Yanukovitch on Rossiya 24
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=onair
Crazy Ivan (14:10), I’m in agreement with you on several points you indicate, but, in my view, the problem that Russia faces in case Novo Rossiya joins her will be the huge economic cost. Ucraine -according to what I have read over the net- is ruined, virtually in default, and its best part -the industrial east- is obsolete and in tatters. A whole lot of money would have to be invested there.
Russia is right now investing in Crimea quite a lot, and much more to come. Has already updated pensions and salaries to the russian’s level (were 50% lower). Vast amounts of money for infrastructures and so on.
To end up: The Germans know very well from own experience how much did it cost them to join East and West of their country.
I don’t think Russia is interested in incorporating East of current Ucraine. They’d prefer a friendly independent (or federated to Ucraine) state. This is not the best moment, but anyways, it will come. The writing is on the wall.
Regards.
“Kiev launched the military crackdown on pro-Russian protesters following a secret visit to Ukraine by CIA Director John Brennan, Russia’s Interfax news agency reported on Sunday quoting a source in the Ukrainian Parliament. Mr Brennan reportedly persuaded the Ukrainian authorities to use force to suppress the protests in the country’s Russian-speaking southeast.”
If this is true, then my theory is correct.
The “West” desperately, insanely desperately, wants Russia to invade or to be able to blame Russia for invading (which that looney tune Power is already screaming from the rooftops) so that their cataclysmic and catastrophic blunder, a blunder piled on top of the quickening tsunami of blunders around the world (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Iran…) will be “solved” by war.
Austerity in Ukraine. Coals to Newcastle. But that’s what the “West” wants. What they really want is war.
You will never ever see a uniformed Russian in Ukraine. You almost didn’t in Crimea. But Special Forces? Well, you won’t see them. But they’re there.
Does my analysis correspond with Putin’s? I would bet a fair share of rubles that it does?
Even considering the unverifiable facts on the ground, by looking at the current picture, the west already lost east and south Ukraine. Right now the US/west controls the coup appointed rulers in Kiev, but the current regime cannot be sustained with just the propaganda machine. More and more people in south and east Ukraine are participating (in any form they can) in the struggle against the fascists in Kiev, and more and more law enforcement groups in south and east Ukraine are desisting from repressing the people (whom they know by name and last name). If the fascist forces attack there will be civil war, no elections in May, and potential huge economic and political destabilization in the region. If the western puppets negotiate (well, their real patrons) then there will be federalization or out flat split of Ukraine. It is likely that the US will trigger intervention in Syria rather than confronting directly the Russian Federation. The cold war II is already in place with the ongoing economic attacks. I think the military war will intensify at the regional level away from Russian borders. In any case, the US/EU attempt to gain Ukraine (as we knew it prior to Feb 21, 2014) failed. I do not see any going back except with the use of force which has become a wild card for the west and just a possible forthcoming chess move for the Russian Federation. I think that the US/EU just do not care about Ukrainian people.
if the Russian-speaking Ukrainian soldiers and police do not intervene to help the civil are men without honor servants of Americans
Has anyone asked Ms Humanitarian Intervention Powers how the US would respond if Russia sponsored a coup in Mexico?
What is beginning to really worry me is Biden’s trip on the 22nd. I do hope he has good bodyguards.
Thanks for the update. This “crackdown” appears to be the work of Israel/USA/EU using their quislings for PR purposes, but for all intents and purposes, led by professionals in the western military/security services. There have already been reports of non-Russian/Ukrainian speaking members of the banderivtsy “soldiers”, so it’s probable the foreign mercs reported as being in the Ukraine are taking part and are probably ziofascist led, controlled and directing the pravi sektor boy molesters.
One irony here, with so many local cops, security and soldiers taking the side of antimaydana or remaining neutral, is these are actually acting in the role of defenders of the people. What all the guv propaganda in mosts countries claim these guv enforcers are supposed to be. Unlike in most countries, where the cops, etc. enforce the fascist regimes, though, the cops, etc. in Novorossia actually are for real doing what the propaganda says they should be do, as opposed to being the usual thugs.
This has got to be steaming the zionazi-nazistan establishment no end, who are trying to get up a force to brutilise Novorossiya.
вот так
Moscow calls on UN Security Council and OSCE to urgently consider situation in Ukraine
Russia – April 13, 21:45
“We are demanding that the ‘Maidan’ protesters stop a war against their own people”, said in statement
MOSCOW, April 13. /ITAR-TASS/. Moscow is calling on the United Nations Security Council and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to urgently consider the situation in southeastern Ukraine,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Sunday.
“We are demanding that the ‘Maidan’ protesters who overthrew Ukraine’s legitimate president immediately stop a war against their own people and meet all their commitments under the February 21 agreement,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in its statement.
“The western sponsors of ‘maidan’ protesters, especially those who put their signatures under the aforesaid agreement and also the United States who is standing behind them, are obliged to bridle their fosterlings, who have gone out of control, and make them distance themselves from neo-Nazis and other extremists; stop using weapons against the Ukrainian people and immediately start a real national dialogue, in which all regions will take an equal part, in the interests of an early and fundamental constitutional reform,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said.
“A possibility to avert a civil war is now in the hands of the West,” the Russian Foreign Ministry stressed.
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/727612
Well, I will add the macho element in the equation.
Let us stipulate that the Maidan affair was operated by the CIA using neo-Nazi foot soldiers trained in various locations in Eastern Europe. Let us stipulate that snipers drawn from the gang of criminals shot people on both sides, etc.
Putin we will also stipulate knew all about this, and was unable to prevent it happening. But he became determined to show that this was a clown show compared to what he could do: Crimea.
The only question is whether he is still rubbing the noses of the CIA in their own poop.
50-50 he is.
More evidence this “crackdown” has been orchestrated and run by the zionazi arse bandits of Israel-America. The had a phony “protest” prearranged to take place in Moscow.
Anti-Kremlin protest draws thousands in Moscow http://news.yahoo.com/anti-kremlin-protest-draws-thousands-moscow-160257721.html
Probably nothing in the zio-queen report relates to reality in any meaningful way, though.
вот так
I should say a strange but deep thought.
I don’t think Obama is responsible for US policy. From what I see duting last couple of months it seems that it is not Obama who make decisions and run the whole policy.
I suspect that USA has a shadow government – since WWII. Many things happened which cannot be explained ignoring this theory including JFK’s assassination.
This government is consists of men from secret services plus (maybe) big moneysacks. The President and the State Department is just a public face of US government.
I don’t really believe the Illuminati or the Masons theory but I’m sure that Obama is not the really main person in US government.
Antimaydana is expanding:
Kiev to launch ‘full-scale’ military op as massive protests grip eastern Ukraine http://rt.com/news/donetsk-kharkov-protest-ukraine-280/
“Over 10,000 people have taken part in protests in different town and villages of the Donetsk Region in Ukraine, the local administration said.
In the region’s capital, Donetsk, the local government headquarters still remain under the anti-Maidan activists’ control. Sunday, one of the leaders of the recently-declared Donetsk People’s Republic, Denis Pushilin, once again stressed the urgent need “to send activists, who’ll prepare a referendum, to different towns of the Donetsk region” as he spoke at a rally in city’s center.
The recruitment of volunteers, eager to travel to Slavyansk and other towns in eastern Ukraine where “an anti-terrorist operation” against the protestors by the Ukrainian security forces is underway, also took place during the rally. Over 100 people volunteered by mid-day Sunday, with buses already prepared to take them to their destinations.
Hundreds also gathered for rallies in support of federalization in Druzhovka, Debaltsevo and other Donbas towns.
According to Ukrainian media, the city authorities in Zhdanovsk and Kirovsk have expressed readiness to start talks on the recognition of the legitimacy of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
A rally in Mariupol in south-east of the country resulted in the seizure of city council by the pro-Russian protesters, ITAR-TASS news agency reports. Over 1,000 demonstrators, who chanted “Slavyansk, we’re with you!” and “Referendum,” have forced the police, guarding the building, to retreat.
Some 1,500-2,000 people are out in the square in front of the office Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) in Lugansk, which is held by the protestors for several days now. According to Rossiya 24 channel, the majority of the city’s police have switch to the side of the demonstrators, supporting their push for federalization.
Meanwhile, dozens asked for medical assistance in Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkov, after the pro-federalization demonstrators clashed with the Maidan activists. The rallies of two antagonistic sides, which saw a joint turnout of around 3,000, were staged in the city simultaneously, with the police being unable to prevent provocations.
“50 people required medical aid. Around 10 of them were taken to city hospitals. The doctors are speaking of minor or moderate injuries. Among the wounded there’s one policeman,” the local law enforcement authorities said.
Baseball bats, sticks, stones and stun grenades were used by both sides during the scuffle, Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper reports.
In Zaporozhye, the police had to use tear gas to break up clashes between the pro-federalization and Maidan activists, UNIAN news agency reports.”
Meanwhile the zionazi’s banderivtsy bum bandits are having difficulty finding soldiers and cops who will fight Ukrainians for them:
“Later he said that the operation in the east will involve a non-regular regiment consisting of 350 reservists.”
Likely pravi sektor and foreign mercs.
вот так
Crazy Ivan says…
@ Anon 13 April, 2014 14:49
I’m not Mr Putin. ;-) I’m not a member of Russian “think tank”, even Valdai Club. ;-)
I do not know and have no clue why RF does not want incorporate National Donetsk Republic (comprises of all South-Eastern Ukrainian “oblasts”). Perhaps that would leave Western part under Fascists and ultra-nationalists Ukrainians fully cooperating with Russian enemies.
But I agree with
Anonymous Afterthought
13 April, 2014 12:57
(first comment)
citing – “…it is an investment that will pay off…”
Problem, where to find the money.
Answer – asking China in exchange for raw materials for example (but I think China would like to get much more. :-) )
But the most important question, from my point of view, is how to annihilate Ukrainian nationalists?
And let’s call spade a spade:
Right Sector is registered as a party now, and its “sotnias” are its armed arm.
Svoboda is a party and The National Guard is its armed arm.
So we have two Ukrainian political parties having own private diehard armies not controlled by the Constitution and the state.
Curiosity? No, a path to tyranny, atrocities and shitty country bullying all its neighbors.
Ukraine on brink of civil war after blood was spilt in east – Yanukovich
http://rt.com/news/yanukovich-ukraine-war-civil-292/
…“Blood was spilt today,” Yankovich told journalists referring to the events in the eastern city of Slavyansk. “Now our country finds itself in a totally new situation – with one foot in the door of a civil war. The Kiev junta has issued a criminal order to use armed forces and the army against the protesters.”
“During my time in Kiev, we never used such methods against radicals or extremists,” he added.
Part of the responsibility for dragging the country into domestic war lays on the US, which brutally interfere in the situation and to point out what to do, Yanukovich said.
The ousted president declared that CIA director John Brennan visited Ukraine and it was after the meeting that the coup-imposed authorities in Kiev ordered a military operation in the country’s east.
Brennan “de facto sanctioned” the use of weapons and thus provoked the bloodshed, Yanukovich said. Earlier, sources told Interfax news agency that Brennan was paying a secret visit to Kiev.
In the event of a mass crackdown on protesters and use of force, the “new rulers” of Ukraine will carry full responsibility, the ousted President said, adding that the people of Ukraine will never accept “dictatorship” and “especially nationalists’ dictate.”
He has urged the country’s security forces not to obey “unlawful orders” and restrain from shooting at “people of Ukraine”.
“You will never be forgiven,” Yanukovich said.
Ukraine is now “inexorably” heading towards bankruptcy and chaos, Yanukovich also warned in his speech. Holding a referendum is the only one way to avoid splitting Ukraine, the coup-deposed leader stressed.
“Now there is an urgent question of the referendum, which can protect the country from split. This is the only solution,” he said.
First, there should be a referendum, then a new constitution and only after those steps, parliamentary elections, Yanukovich clarified.”…
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To Saker from Tom Garrett: I was impressed by “A new Cold War has begun…”,but less so by your article in Asia Times. From the first days of the current regime I have been saying (and posting)that the ‘contract’ system in use by Ukraine means that Kiev can’t rely on local garrisons to put down unrest. Here’s what I wrote to some friends on April 7th: “The contract system that replaced conscription in Ukraine is like our (US) National Guard system in that local garrisons are largely made up of people recruited from surrounding areas. This means that if Kiev elects to squelch the protesters by force it will have to either send forces from western Ukraine or rely on mercenaries. Soldiers from local garrisons are not liable to shoot down people from their own communities. What the local garrisons might do, however, is join the revolution…I doubt if senior commanders will turn on Kiev without assurance of Russian backing. But the might have no choice. The angry young men may say “You’re with us or against us”…”
It looks, from the latest Kiev announcement, that they now doubt that even units recruited in the west can be trusted and are turning to a ‘national guard’; made up mainly of Pryvi Sektor/Svoboda volunteers. If Brennan ( Obama’s Beria)has–as reported–been in Kiev, it probably means he has promised under the table funding and trainers. Lovely.
This may be why Lukashenko has gone ’round the bend’. He may forsee a “blowback” that will wind up with still another new state, this time in the far western oblasts or conversely, the woods and marshes thereabout repopulated with partisans. (I’ve been there mentally. It ain’t all that fantastic.) Relying on the ‘far right’ may serve Kiev no better than bringing in Normans to stave off Norsemen served the Saxons.
I’ll stop here with many thanks for your reports and commentaries. What I’m watching for just now is for the appearance of real mercenaries and for signs that the painful emergence of a real garrison (not just police and paramilitaries) on the side of the people. Viva Donetsika Libre!
Gathering intelligence, Israeli style. Spies for the ziofascists:
OSCE monitors visit Slavyansk, expected to submit report
http://rt.com/news/osce-ukraine-protests-report-284/
“OSCE monitors have visited the besieged city of Slavyansk in eastern Ukraine, where Kiev announced an “anti-terrorist operation” against pro-federalization protesters, “to collect information” as the situation is feared to turn violent.
“Representatives of a special monitoring mission of international observers, which operate in Donetsk, visited Slavyansk to collect information,” OSCE Project Coordinator in Ukraine Andrey Dziubenko has told RIA Novosti news agency.
International experts came from Donetsk to Slavyansk for a short visit. They left the city few hours after arriving.
Upon arrival their car was surrounded by protesters, who were shouting that they want to show European monitors what is really happening in Slavyansk and blamed European media for reporting an inaccurate picture. They first offered to take them behind the barricades, but then negotiated and refused to do so, local news website slavgorod.com.ua reported.
The mission that consists of civilian monitors will submit a report on their findings to the OSCE headquarters Vienna.
“Every day all groups of the monitoring mission send reports on the situation in the regions they work to OSCE. They send data on all regions. It will also cover the information about Slavyansk,” Dziubenko said.
On Sunday, gunfire broke out in Slavyansk with casualties being reported on both sides. One man has been confirmed dead near the hospital. His identity has not been made public. Unconfirmed reports in Ukrainian media speculated that the man could be a journalist. Two protesters were also said to have been injured. New authorities in Kiev also said one security officer was killed in the siege.
A local man also told RT that Right Sector members, as he assumes, were shooting at him and other people as they were heading to Slavyansk to deliver humanitarian aid.
“We [two cars] were heading from Donetsk to Slavyansk to deliver humanitarian aid: food, medicine, warm clothes. On the way a pick-up truck was going on us. They started shooting. One [of our cars] took to the left. Another car turned around to go back. Three people were injured. One seriously,” Sergey Karpachev has said.
Three teams of OSCE monitors, involving 103 people from 39 participating States, have been working in Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv since the end of March. Their deployment for an initial period of six months was approved on March, 21.
While the mission’s mandate covers the whole territory of Ukraine, monitors have initially been deployed to Kherson, Odessa, Lvov, Kharkov, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk and Kiev.”
The antimaydan people were wise not to let the spies within the barricades, as what they saw would be transmitted directly to the zionazi command for use in attacking those antimaydan people.
вот так
Галиция, слушай. Давай разводиться (Galicia, look, let’s divorce)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAlyrQaBaBk
“Галиция, слушай, давай разводиться!
Без шума, без крови, и драки публичной,
Зачем нам бардак и побитые лица?
Давай разойдёмся как люди, прилично.
Я долго кормил тебя, я не буянил,
Исправно бюджет наполнял год от года,
А ты увлекалась бездельем майданным
Меня называя рабом и уродом.
Ты взгляды свои устремляешь на Запад,
Мне, знаешь, родней Беларусь и Россия
Давай разойдёмся. Так лучше. Так надо.
Как чехи, словаки — легко и красиво.
Тебя уж давно дожидается Польша,
Вот ей про фашизм и расскажешь подробно,
А в центре Брюсселя бардак и дебоши
Устроишь. Уверен, оценит Европа.
Галиция, слушай давай разводиться!
Пора наступила. Подводим итог.
Тебе — на майданах халявно туситься.
А мне на работу. Твой Юго-Восток
(auto trans)
Galicia, look, let’s get divorced!
No noise, no blood, and fights the public,
Why do we mess and beaten face?
Let’s disperse as people decently.
I’ve been feeding you, I’m not rowdy,
Properly filled budget from year to year,
Are you fond of idleness Maidan
Calling me a slave and a freak.
You rush his views to the West,
I know, dear Belarus and Russia
Let’s disperse. That’s better. So it is necessary.
Czechs, Slovaks – easily and beautifully.
You too long waiting for Poland,
That’s it about fascism and tell in detail,
A mess in the center of Brussels and fights
Staged. Sure appreciate Europe.
Galicia, let’s listen to divorce!
Time came. Summarize.
You – on Independence khalyavnykh tusitsya.
And my job. Your South-East”
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re: Turchinov’s (un) trust-ability: That’s simple enough to see on the gas issue. Even after Crimea the coup regime stated that gas transit to Europe was not in danger, that it would continue unabated even if they themself could not buy gas. Fast forward a bit to uprisings in SE (but no actual further actions by Russia, albeit that was no reason not to justify further sanctions an hostility vs. Russia) and the junta suddenly say that they cannot guarantee transit of gas to Europe.
The idea of distinguishing fascists from non-fascists is lovely in theory, but when supposed ‘non-fascists’ willingly and PREFERENTIALLY cooperate with fascists, and in fact deny the fascism of the fascists, it kind of falls apart. That is more like good cop / bad cop routine, or Nazi brownshirts vs. Nazi statists. These are the people who tore up the February 21 agreement to go along with the Svoboda and Right Sector mob, creating a government with major role for Svoboda despite them being a minor party with support concentrated in Galicia. So many “liberal” Maidan backers just grossly deny the fascism of Svoboda, it is sick… I mean, quibbling on details is sick enough, but even allowing they aren’t sure of the exact fascist-quotient, it is baffling for them not recognize why somebody MIGHT find Svoboda unacceptably fascist, and for that to be a valid serious matter of concern. They brush it off and say “these are just patriots”.
In addition to the National Guard drawn from Maidan thugs, which is supposedly being sent into the SE to deal with protests, the Coup Interior Minister seems to have announced the formation of YET ANOTHER security force (what with too many police and army apparently not being reliable to follow orders), supposedly 12,000 men, stating they will be used to put down dissidents in the SE… Exactly what kind of people will sign up for such duty? Right.
I wouldn’t say that NO military is going along with the coup plans: they clearly have armed helicopter gunships over Donetsk, and there was armored personnel carriers being used on frontline interface with roadblocks, etc. Some personnel defected when they came to the roadblocks, but that is a minority. I believe it was a reserve unit that was stopped and had their weapons seized by anti-maidan SDF, so those are being used as well.
I am VERY curious about events in Dnipropetrovsk, particularly of an airborne paratrooper unit defecting or possibly being in internal conflict/divided. More worrying, I saw that another army unit in East was sent there (to deal with rebellion of troops?). I really haven’t got clear info on that situation though.
I totally agree. I did not think that it was possible to be worse then Baby Bush aka Dubya, but Obama proved me wrong.
If we were to hold accountable both Bush and Obama for the number of people killed, murdered, shocked and awed, droned out of existence, tortured, renditioned, irradiated and now probably gassed in Syria, I still feel Bush would be the clear winner in terms of “responsible for lives lost”
If either McCain, Hillary, or Bush were in charge now, Syria would already have been bombed and Russia’s takeover of Crimea would not be so peaceful. I’m not saying Obama did not do dirty things to try and stop it, but the other crazies would have done something stupider.
I think Russia should take the south and the east. It should tell the rest of the world F@&$ you(USA), F$&@ you(EU), F$&@ you (Ukraine), no not you, you are ok (BRICS), and F&$@ you (Neo Nazis). At least the people there will be safer.
Mindfriedo
Царев: Киев перешел черту, и договариваться с ним сегодня не о чем (Tsarev Kiev crossed the line, and negotiate with him today nothing)
http://lifenews.ru/news/131165
(auto trans) “Ukrainian presidential candidate appealed to all supporters federalization unite and come to the table without the participation of the incumbent authorities.
Appeal to the Citizens Tsarev posted on his page on “Facebook.”
– Today controlled radical groups Kiev government, which should consolidate the country, actually triggers civil war and leads her to a split, sending troops BoE Vat against its own citizens. Power crossed the line, and to negotiate with her today about. Therefore, I urge residents of the western and central Ukraine to support the idea of federalization to save Ukraine – wrote a presidential candidate.
Tsarev called to start the negotiation process without intermediaries by an illegitimate government.
– We should not impose their views to each other by force, and negotiate. Negotiate directly between the regions west and south-east. And then choose a central authority, which ensures the unity and integrity of the country, and does not split it – said Tsarev.
He also proposed to begin writing the Constitution and dismissed talk of “Crimean scenario.”
– If you are patriots of Ukraine, then you should support the idea of federalization. And then we can sit down at the negotiating table and start writing a new constitution – written Tsarev. – They say that in the southeast realized “Crimean script.” That’s not true! Kiev self-appointed authority implements Ukraine “Yugoslav scenario”! Which will lead to the fact that our country has ever split into several parts.”
The auto trans is not too clear. He asks the Novorossiya part of the Ukraine to get together in a united front for a federalised Ukraine. How he hopes to get the west involved and how to deal with the zionazi bum bandits in Kiev I’m not sure what is meant from the translation.
The comparison with Yugoslavia is very interesting. He seems to think that Israel/USA/EU are fomenting civil war to split up the Ukraine in the manner they divided Yugoslavia.
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Hello, can I express my deep respect and admiration to the people here, who can see through the western propaganda. I apologise in advance for the quality my English, spelling and rest.
The situation in the East of Ukrain is scary. Pinochet hunta came to power in Kiev. Now that they have Big Sam support, they want blood.
All channels and media, all sourses of information that differs from Kievs point of view are banned, providers face punishment if they disobey.
Army is called to slam the protests. It is a plan to spill blood, to make Russian people suffer
and this all is set as a trap for Russia, to provoke it to get involved, military sucked in.
I just pray for Putin not to swallow the bait. God save us. If he bites and orders the army to enter Ukrain to protect Russian people, we will desend into haos and maybe WWIII, the world will b all American, Orwell and Zamyatin will become world wide reality. Last minutes to hope for better.
I think Russia’s response must take account of broader issues, beyond the situation in Ukraine itself and Russia’s particular concerns re: NATO expansion there, but taking into account the shift (or potential shift) in larger relations with the EU. Consider what purpose the US had in this whole adventure: the idea of installing a NATO regime on all or most of Ukraine surely was not a likely outcome even in their deluded imperial minds, and even achieving that is pointless unless the US really is to start a direct war with Russia.
What is likely, and immediately useful, is sabotaging EU/RU relations and preventing future integration and cooperation. That weakens both EU and RU, subjugating EU to US empire, and weakening Russia, all to the US’ net gain. The US doesn’t suffer 1/10th the negative consquences from any fallot from Ukraine, so is free to laugh it, while for EU and Russia it is really a lose/lose perspective, if the US plot succeeds there. Russia seems to respond like “We don’t really need the EU!” but that is a LOSER option still being dictated by the US’ plot, Russia needs to up their game and create a break out strategy. To do that requires the EU to distance itself from the US, and engage with factual reality directly with Russia (and ALL Ukrainian actors).
Russia has reacted with outrage and emotion, which is understandable, but a cool head must be kept for diplomacy. I can say I see no value in involving the US in diplomacy here, there is no reason for it, and US does not care about events at a level that countries of the region do. I don’t see why US involvement has any value even to serious EU members (e.g. excluding Lithuania, etc), nor why they would oppose pursuing diplomacy that excludes the US from discussions. If necessary, emphasize the reality of the Bosnian conflict which any serious diplomat understands even if outside corporate media narrative: that the US sabotaged peace negotiations, triggering 100k death conflict, only to arrive at peace deal broadly matching the previously discussed solutions, of course imposing a nearly paralytic suboptimal political dynamic on Bosnia itself. Why allow the US to dictate the process this time around?
Russia needs to talk to Germany, Italy, France, and UK, and convey that to create a strong basis for diplomacy, those countries need to acknowledge the large amount of issues which have so far been ignored by the West… Enter into a dialogue on them with Russia, i.e. specifically deal with Russia’s perspective on them as it may differ from EU’s, and respect that as a serious issue. These issues being:
The EU rejection of 3-way talks, the tearing up of Feb 21 agreement, the ongoing political intimidation and violence going unpunished or prevented by the coup regime, the inclusion of fringe Svoboda AND Right Sector in government (including Svoboda’s co-founder, now Fatherland member), the illegal replacement of President and Constitutional Court, the creation of ad-hoc paramilitary forces aimed directly at SE dissidents/coup-resisters which can only draw politically motivated recruits for that project, etc.
These countries should understand that their own direct interests re: Russia are sabotaged by the US creating a situation engendering permanent bad relations, along with whatever unattractive scenario in Ukraine results from the junta’s actions. The US strategy here is obviously to restrict the EU powers’ future relations with Russia, preventing them from having full freedom of relations, leaving them as even more subjugated vassals of the US with less strategic flexibility. The US doesn’t suffer 1/10th the negative consequences as the EU does from events in Ukraine and break-down with Russia, so is not a good-faith motivated actor that should be accepted by the EU to be involved in the process.
That events have progressed this far obviously has irreversable repurcussions. At one point, a very different solution would have been more than acceptable to Russia, e.g. at the stage when UKR requested 3-way talks, or even in the week following the coup where Russia simply appealed for the Feb 21 agreement to be followed. The coup regime has destroyed faith in a unitary Ukraine and in the trust as political partners of their participants. Coming to reality-based diplomatic agreement ASAP is needed to prevent the viable options being even further reduced, to the detriment of everybody involved: the EU, Russia, Ukraine itself… albeit the US isn’t really that threatened however it resolves, even in the worst case it comes own RELATIVELY ahead. Exactly why the EU should deal directly with Russia, and ALL factions within Ukraine, WITHOUT US meddling and sabotage.
Saker
Russia has requested a UN security council meeting
tonight- 8 pm
closed doors
One thing that makes me think the threat of the use of force is real is the (almost) complete lack of coverage of this issue on BBC and CNN (both on TV), at least in a certain bigger european country.
What makes me think an attack or more attacks will be resisted successfully is that i can’t see the ukrainian military or other security/police units shoot at their brothers. The only ones i see doing that are the Right Sector thugs and paid mercs, but murders committed by these will be just enough to generate even more defenders (those who still chose to stay out of it).
I don’t think the Russian military will overtly get involved in a situation like this by invading Urkaine, short of several hundred slaughtered pro-Russian Ukrainians, then they will have no choice.
So, this is what they strive to prevent using all other possible means. I suppose Russia will support the uprising (if it’s not already leading at least parts of it, who knows) logistically, with equipment, financially and with undercover operators. The goal could be to generate a stalemate with some parts of the Ukraine being (and staying) basically out of control by Kiev, thus _forcing_ the west and their putschist string puppets on the negotiating table to find a solution the Ukrainian people and Russia can live with. There, the west would have pretty much no leverage.
Does this make some sense?
-yt
Greetings from Singapore:
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Anonymous mutantsushi said…
Russia needs to talk to Germany, Italy, France, and UK, and convey that to create a strong basis for diplomacy…
UNQTE
I did say this in my previous posting somewhere else: Russia needs Germany to sort out the Ukraine crisis. (Forget UK, they follow Washington blindly, forget France, they became irrelevant when they wanted to bomb Syria).
Dear Saker,
I would be indeed very interested to know what you make of the following two news items:
“Lukashenko oposes federalisation of Ukraine”
http://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/politics/lukashenko-vystupaet-protiv-federalizatsii-ukrainy-13042014144300
“Lukashenko considers appointment of Turchinov as the acting president of Ukraine”
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1117507
I am quite a bit puzzled…
It would appear based on what CIA News Network is putting out at this hour including images of bloodthirsty pro-Russian mobs and a man lying in a pool of blood at a Metro entrance (that CNN seems to be implying to the low info voters was attacked or shot by pro-Russians) that DCI Brennan’s Plan B to storming the barricades is in place: commit as many false flag atrocities as possible and blame it on the anti-Kiev rebels to turn Ukrainian and world opinion against them. I would imagine after humiliating debacles like the BLM having to retreat from 1000s of pissed off patriot protesters and a few dozen militia who didn’t even openly carry their ARs that a similar playbook is going to be dusted off here Stateside. God help us if the feds pull another Oklahoma City and blame it on the ‘3 Percenters’ to start the NDAA black bagging…
Kiev prepares ‘armed provocations’ to discredit pro-federation forces, Russia
http://rt.com/news/provocation-kiev-federation-ukraine-296/
“The self-imposed govt in Kiev is preparing provocations in Eastern Ukraine on the border with Russia in order to discredit the popular uprising, former Ukrainian interior minister said. The information was also confirmed by other sources in the ministry.
“According to our information, in eastern regions of Ukraine provocations are being planned near the border in order to discredit the military personnel of the Russian Federation,” Vitaly Zakharchenko said in Rostov on Don during a press conference with ousted President Victor Yanukovich.
He called on the security forces in Ukraine not to obey orders from Kiev, reminding them that such actions would be illegal, and condemned Kiev’s coup-imposed leadership for giving such orders.
“From the legal point of view illegal orders are given out the illegitimately appointed Turchinov, Avakov, Nalivaychenko, Makhnitsky,” Zakharchenko said.
The information of a planned staged attack and provocations by Kiev are also being confirmed by sources in the Ukrainian Interior Ministry on condition of anonymity.
“Kiev authorities are preparing a big provocation, with a purpose to discredit the people of Donetsk and Lugansk regions who are committed to holding a referendum and federalization of the country,” the source told Ria Novosti.
“An order arrived at the management of divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the armed forces of Ukraine deployed in Donetsk region, to use fighters from the Right Sector to simulate armed attacks on the these divisions,” source added.
Another ministry source told Itar-Tass that according to its information, after the completion of the attack, the special team is to collect the bullet casings from the scene and transfer them to Kiev, so that authorities there could use this fake evidence and blame the attack on the so-called provocateurs in the eastern region of the country.
Some commanders of the military units, fearing that weapons depots in the region could fall into the wrong hands, started to transfer them to heavier populated areas.
“According to information received, some [law enforcement] chiefs, being afraid that buildings storing ammunition could be captured, made the decision to transport it to larger human settlements,” the source said, providing no further details.”…
This is no doubt connected with Brennan being in Kiev on saturday.
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http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/
“21:12 GMT: US Intelligence services occupy an entire floor of the security service HQ in Kiev, Ukrainian Presidential candidate Oleg Tsarev told Ria Novosti.
“I know from many officers from the security service of Ukraine that the American intelligence services very actively participate in all that occurs in Ukraine. They tell me that a whole floor of the security service was offered to the American intelligence services. The Ukrainian officers have no right to go there,” Tsarev said.”
22:34 GMT: CIA has refused to comment on reports that its director John Brennan travelled to Ukraine on Saturday to meet the coup-imposed authorities in Kiev, but said he did not influence their decision to order a military operation in the country’s east.
“The claim that Director Brennan encouraged Ukrainian authorities to conduct tactical operations inside Ukraine is completely false,” CIA spokesman Todd Ebitz said as cited by AP. “Like other senior U.S. officials, Director Brennan strongly believes that a diplomatic solution is the only way to resolve the crisis between Russia and Ukraine.”
CIA spokesman Todd Ebitz refused to give any comments on Brennan’s travels.
During a press conference of Sunday, Ukraine’s ousted president Viktor Yanukovich said that Brennan “de facto sanctioned” the use of weapons during his secret visit to Kiev.”
10 to 1 that the Russians recorded every word out of Brennan’s shanker filled mouth. ;
The way to defeat these war criminals is to use their moves against them asymmetrically, like this. Combine chess and judo.
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Propaganda or bombshell… I don’t know.
Earlier this week, Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov said that Russia had promised Ukraine a massively discounted rate of gas of $160 per 1,000 cubic metres should the country join the Customs Union.
http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/ukraine-will-not-bargain-for-gas
I suggest taking some time and read over some of the other articles on naturalgaseurope.com. It will offer a lot into who benefits from what is happening in Ukraine. For example, Cheveron just signed 2 contracts and UK-based JKX has some dealings as well in the country for shale gas.
An interesting piece on the people who participated in Moscow march I posted a Jewish owned/run AP article about earlier (IE: Anti-Kremlin protest draws thousands in Moscow http://news.yahoo.com/anti-kremlin-protest-draws-thousands-moscow-160257721.html ).
Эксперт: Эти люди являются пятой колонной (Expert: These people are the fifth column)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/13/681825.html
(auto trans) “People in social networks directly say that this category of citizens is the fifth column, the newspaper said political scientist Oleg Matveychev. He was commenting on the past in Moscow march for freedom of speech, which is not collected and thousands of people, although organizers expect 50,000 participants.
“With the number of rally organizers claimed up to 50 thousand people gathered on the avenue Sakharov less than one thousand people, including members of the media and bloggers” – said the source RIA “Novosti” .
Despite the fact that the designated theme of the meeting was freedom of speech, he added, the organizers of the event did not allow individual members of the media.
According to ITAR-TASS , the rally was attended by activists of various political forces, “movement” Solidarity “,” Libertarian Party “RPR Parnassus,” Party on December 5, “” The Progress Party. “
The rally took place peacefully. Scene on the screen was the inscription: “In an era of total lies to tell the truth – it is revolutionary!” But media people almost was not. The crowd saw the chief editor of “Echo of Moscow” Alexei Venediktov and oppositionist Ilya Yashin. Someone hung a banner “Freedom to the prisoners on May 6.” Several participants raised the Ukrainian flag. At one point there were imperial flags and flag anarchists. Attended posters: «Hitler kaputt», «Life has become very Kiselevo”, “Stop lying», «Moscow fascism», «God Save the Ukraine” and others.
At a rally attended writer Dmitry Bykov, a lawyer Vyacheslav Makarov, journalist Kara-Murza (Jr.), politician Ilya Konstantinov, as well as some former defendants in the case of riots May 6, 2012, which then came under the amnesty. The event was Alexander Ryklin.”
Continued…
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Part 2
“Because the rally passing traffic on Sakharov Avenue was blocked. Over Prospect police helicopter hovered.
Professor HSE Oleg Matveychev believes that those who came to this rally, characterizes poster “Fifth Column. Strangers Among Us, “which previously was posted under windows radio station “Echo of Moscow”. “As a result of the Crimean and Ukrainian events in Russia there was a definite turning point in mind. If before people who openly with ultrazapadnoy standpoint, could masquerade as those who have a keen sense of justice, but now all the masks dropped. Now it is quite difficult to conduct propaganda in such a situation. They often meet with rebukes. People in social networks directly say that this category of citizens is a fifth column, “- said the newspaper VIEW Matveychev.
That the organizers of the rally have allowed some journalists to cover the event, the expert considers the manifestation of double standards. According to him, if these people were admitted to moderating the media, they would be present one point of view. “It just shows that talk about freedom of speech freedom of speech imply a certain category of people. They are fighting for their freedom and not freedom of speech for all “, – said the analyst.”
The AP article claimed 10000 people showed up, though the photo it used showed a protest about the size of the ones in Novorossiya. So the View article is probably much closer to the amount than the AP propaganda.
It is interesting how little credibility these western “color revolutionaries” have in Russia. One of the main reasons Israel/USA/EU attacked the Ukraine was to weaken Russia and strengthen that 5th element there, but that has so far had the exact opposite effect. I think this failure must be incredibly galling to these zionazi strategists, who have been mostly successful in the past with their mediocre level of intelligence and creativity and their own egotistical self-deceptively, delusional sense of exceptionalism.
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Russia may demand return of 2014 PACE membership fee
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_04_14/Russia-may-demand-return-of-2014-PACE-membership-fee-4684/
Do it.
And if the slimy buggers fail to pay up, confiscate the money from Russian assets of those countries that voted to exclude Russia.
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I wrote on 13 April at 18:13:
“Lukashenko considers appointment of Turchinov as the acting president of Ukraine”
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1117507
That should say: “Lukashenko considers the appointment of Turchinov as the acting president of Ukraine to be legitimate”
02:09
US Intelligence services occupy an entire floor of the security service HQ in Kiev, Ukrainian Presidential candidate Oleg Tsarev said. “I know from many officers from the security service of Ukraine that the American intelligence services very actively participate in all that occurs in Ukraine. They tell me that a whole floor of the security service was offered to the American intelligence services. The Ukrainian officers have no right to go there,” RIA reports citing Tsarev’s words.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_04_13/Crisis-in-Ukraine-tensions-in-countrys-east-continues-LIVE-UPDATES-2793/
Looks like the Destiny of Man is shaped by God and NOT Washington. Obama and the illegitimate terrorist regime in Kiev do not control the fate of Ukraine or of the world. Obama and Washington are pawns too in a much bigger chessboard of the Universe. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Is the near future destiny of Mankind, Armageddon? Looks like it is Obama and his White House / Washington goons miscalculating all the time without their forever intrigues, conspiracies, threats, and bullying.
There is a saying – “Those who can, think. Those who can’t think, fight”.
Ukraine obvious, like the US, doesn’t have the best and the brightest running the country. What you have are the worst and the stupidest.
Putting myself in President Putin’s shoes, I would ready a counter-attack, ala General Zhukov, in the event the illegal terrorist regime in Kiev attack East Ukraine. Russian troops without insignias together with locally trained uniformed militias would attack Kiev and remove the illegitmate terrorist regime there. Once they are removed, Ukraine will return to sanity and work to recognize and resolve the differences in Ukraine society will be realistically and pragmatically pursued. The US and EU have no say in Russia’s backyard. President Putin should not be afraid to say in in Obumma’s face – “Up yours, mister!” Accept the FACT that the ISG wants war – either by attrition or direct. Better to face it squarely now than be boiled alive like the frog in a pot of boiling water or the ostrich with its head in the sand.
Please keep up this great resource! I agree with Saker that Barack Obama is the worst president ever. In fact, I wrote about just that:
Worst President Ever – Barack H. Obama
OpEdNews.com Feb 21
George W. Bush – Worst President Ever, Feb 21, OpEdNews
…and that’s before his “worstness” became florid in the Ukraine.
George W. Bush – Worst President Ever, Feb 21, OpEdNews
Also, here’s original reporting from the Ukraine by George Eliason, also at OpEdNews. It’s compelling.
We will see if Obama/Kerry are crazy enough to continue with this Cold War II project. You should know that the American people are utterly opposed to such a waste as they were to Libya and Syria (60% to 80% consistent opposition). The U.S. oligarchs and their (s)elected minions are indifferent to the people, of course, and to the military too, which opposed the attack-Syria plan.
As he leads the charge to a new era of conflict, the president and his supporters need to look behind and discover that there is nobody there.
Dear Saker,
Thank you for all of your excellent analysis of the Ukrainian situation.
Could you please write a post about the relationship between Russia and Belarus?
I understand that when Putin was first brought to power, the Yeltsin-era oligarchy thought that they had a nationalist-looking malleable figure to ward off popular discontent. One of the concerns was that the Union of Russia and Belarus would ultimately allow Lukashenko (whose political program appealed to many Russians) to become President of such a union.
Since then, Putin has come into his own and overthrown much of the old oligarchy while accommodating new elite structures. However, the relations with Belarus seem to wax and wane. Militarily the countries work close together but there seem to be recurrent economic disputes. What do you believe to be the cause of difficulties between the two countries?
Michael Collins, I would consider Obama much worse than Bush because Obama is such a phony, a fraudster who set out to do a confidence-trickster job on decent people, people who invested a great deal of hope in his lying words. With Bush, what you saw is what you got, and I do not believe that he was more than normally mendacious for a Western politician. With Obama you also have the question of his personal blood-lust, seen in his selection of victims for drone thermo-baric Hellfire missile incineration. All told, I’d put Obama in the same psychopathological category as Ted Bundy, the ‘charming’ psychopath, only Bundy’s particular history led him to hands-on murder and defilement of the dead, whereas Obama works via proxies. US Presidents do seem to be growing more depraved as time goes by, more amoral and deluded, so what comes next will probably be something even more nasty. Hilary Clinton, perhaps.
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