- No assault in eastern Ukraine after ultimatum deadline passed
- Iatseniuk mentioned the possibility of a referendum
- MVD and SBU offices in Donetsk seized by armed men
- Alpha anti-terrorist team refused to attack
- Cops (militia) also refused to attack
- Slaviansk: city revolts, locals takeover building and built barricades
- Kramatorsk: gunfire reported around government buildings Police building seized
- Police SWAT teams have refused to “fire a single shot” against the people and said so on camera.
- Berkut officers in Donetsk put on old Uniforms and Saint George ribbons and said they would fight on the side of the people.
- Berkut commander resigned.
- Kiev regime fired the head of SBU in Donetsk.
- Head of Police in Donetsk resigns.
- Oleg Tsarev agreed to negotiate in the name of the East.
- Krasnoarmeisk: police station seized.
- Krasnolemansk: police station seized.
- Kramatorsk: demonstrations.
- In Poltava 10 buses filled with what appears to be Right Sector thugs armed with Molotov cocktails and base ball bats, explosives have been stop and everybody arrested. They were heading for Kharkov.
- Kharkov: 2 opposing demonstrators are taking place.
Bottom line, not only did the promised crackdown did not take place, but the Russian speakers have gone on the offensive and have seized many key buildings in major cities. The key factor which reversed an almost inevitable bloodbath was the decision of the entire uniformed security and police forces to refuse to obey the orders of the freaks in Kiev and to open fire on their own people. Everybody seemed to have refused: local cops, SWAT teams, SBU forces and even the anti-terrorist group “Alpha”. This is quite amazing and extremely encouraging. These officers have decided to follow the example of their Russian counterparts in 1991 and 1993 (in both cases the KGB Spetsnaz units “A” and “Vympel” refused to attack the people around the Parliament, as for the Spetsnaz GRU – the authorities did not even dare to ask it even though a full regiment was available on alert in Naro-Fominsk, right next to Moscow).
When I first heard that the Ukrainian group “Alpha” had refused I was rather skeptical and did not mention it here afraid that these rumors were only wishful thinking. Today I not only seen confirmation of that, but I have seen footage from Donetsk were the local Berkut officers have declared on camera that they would not fire a single shot against the people.
God willing the honorable behavior of these officers will inspire other and the entire “repression apparatus” planned by the freaks in Kiev will simply fail to materialize. That could be a real game changer.
I have to admit that I did not think that events would take that kind of turn. While I did write “there is even a non-negligible possibility that the nationalist freaks will fail in their attempt to restore their rule over the east: a combination of very desperate resistance by locals and an unwillingness of enough security forces to kill civilians just might do the trick” did not really believe that this would happen. It appears that it has.
Now that those forces who could have rather easily suppressed the rebellion of the Russian-speakers in a bloodbath appear to have rejected that order and even switched sides, I am fairly confident that the Ukrainian military will not attack either as that would be most risky: they would face the double threat of local police and security forces fighting back combined with an always possible intervention of the Russian Polite Armed Men in Green.
On the political front – two important things have also happened. Iatseniuk has for the first time mentioned the possibility of a referendum. This is still a very vague offer, but it has been made. While Oleg Tsarev, the likely political leader of the eastern Ukraine, has declared that he was convinced that a referendum of autonomy and federalization could keep the country together. These might, and I a conditional “might”, be the first small steps towards a negotiated and halfway reasonable solution which would really be the best possible outcome for everybody.
The other positive development is that Putin’s letter to the EU leaders seemed to have finally awaken them to the fact that there were playing with fire and that if they persisted in their completely delusional policies a lot of very real pain would result. While the White House had its usual psychopathic reaction, folks in the EU have not said much other then Merkel’s statement that Germany was taking this problem very seriously, and EU foreign ministers are scheduled to meet on Monday to discuss a common response. Hopefully the EU banking and business community will put enough pressure on these clowns to make them realize that unless they agree to some very serious negotiations the EU economy will plunge chaos.
So while by nature, training and experience I absolutely loathe to say anything sounding even remotely optimistic, I have to say that following four factors could jointly have a positive impact and avoid a catastrophe:
1) The freaks in Kiev might not have the means for a bloodbath in the East.
2) The resistance in the eastern Ukraine is definitely becoming stronger.
3) The eastern Ukrainian still appear willing to try the “federal solution”.
4) EU leaders might be coming out of their stupor.
IF no massacre happens, and IF all the local forces join the anti-Nazi rebellion in the East, and IF Iatseniuk and the other Maidan-freaks agree to a federal solution and IF the EU agrees to negotiate towards that in good faith, then Putin could use his influence with the Russian speakers in the Ukraine to convince them not to secede and accept a federative solution. Russia will probably have to provide security guarantees to the eastern Ukrainians, but as long as the regime in Kiev does not do something crazy, then Russia will probably restore its economic support, at least in small steps.
If all of that happens, and that is a very big “IF” then the next logical step should be an international conference to save (resurrect?) the pretty much dead Ukrainian economy with not only guarantees and demands for reforms, but a lot of money in the form of long term loans.
Right now all of the above sounds like a naive dream, but I think that compared to just a few days ago this dream, while still not likely by a long shot, has at least become at least a bit less unlikely.
Now, if the crazies in Kiev just continue like before, and that is far more likely, what we are likely to see is a secession of the entire eastern Ukraine without even a Russian intervention. In theory, there is a lot more power, money and people in the eastern Ukraine then in the western one and if the bulk of the population really firmly decides to say “goodbye!” to Kiev and the Galician neo-Nazis, they can do it.
This will still be a slow process, most folks I think are still unsure and frightened. What we have seen in the past 48 hours is most definitely an acceleration of the centrifugal forces, but they are still far short of a real “escape velocity” similar to the one in Crimea.
I think that the next week will be absolutely crucial. Hopefully cool head on all sides will prevail and God will show us all mercy. Next week will be “Passion Week” or “Holy Week” for Orthodox Christians and at the end of that week the biggest religious of all feast will take place: Holy Paskha (aka “Easter”). I cannot imagine how the Orthodox Christians in the eastern Ukraine will life these days, but part of me wants to believe that by next Sunday they will have the possibility to celebrate this “Feast of Feasts” in peace and security. I sincerely wish them that.
Stay tuned,
The Saker
Hope your grounds for optimism prove correct.
@Anonymous: Hope your grounds for optimism prove correct.
So do I, but I am not holding my breath…
Kind regards,
The Saker
Did all these refusals to “fire a single shot” happen in response to (i.e. AFTER) actual orders from Kiev? Or were those anticipatory statements?
I’m wondering how much Putin’s (vague) assurance to protect Russians in the Ukraine was helping all those take this stance on “principal” grounds.
Greetings from Singapore:
A peaceful resolution of the Ukraine crisis is not in the interest of Washington. I still hope that Germany will change their mind and seek with Russia an acceptable solution for Europe.
If this finally happens, Washington will be banned out of Europe, for good.
Next Sunday is the Western Easter as well. I wonder how many families will be making pysanky this year, and cannot even imagine what they must be feeling while creating them. I wouldn’t put it past the monsters to attack any time between Holy Thursday and Easter Sunday, though — and am SOOO praying for Peace.
Crazy Ivan says…
I heard or read recently the Independent Donetsk Republic has one goal, for now at least – to create independent state New Russia and to associate it with RF similar to the Republic of Belarus.
I still do not understand why Mr Lavrov said incorporation of South-Eastern Ukraine did not lie in Russia’s interest.
Do they want to have counterbalance to the Western Ukraine? Do they not understand that nationalist ideology will permeate Ukrainian state (state and social fibers) the same way the political correctness pervaded and destroyed Western countries (mainly USA) soon (10-20 years)?
I went to bed last night dreading what I would be reading when I got up. Then reading the news this AM, I started thinking feeling a lot more optimistic. Very good news seeing here that the right sector thugs headed to Kharkov were neutralised. I saw some notices about them going to Kharkov on sunday to attack antimaydana people. That they were stopped and arrested means their are significant “official” forces in the east that are independent of the banderivtsy.
The following announcement is also a very positive development. I posted it on an earlier thread before seeing this sitrep.
Kiev’s use force in south-eastern Ukraine will foil four-party meeting plan – FM Lavrov
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_13/Kievs-use-force-in-south-eastern-Ukraine-will-foil-four-party-meeting-plan-FM-Lavrov-9668/
“If Kiev uses force in the southeast of Ukraine, a four-party meeting on the resolution of the Ukrainian crisis will be foiled, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told US Secretary of State John Kerry by telephone on Saturday, April 12, Itar-Tass reports.
Lavrov warned Kerry that “if Kiev’s threats to use force against people driven to despair in the southeast are carried out, prospects for further cooperation on the Ukrainian issue, including a planned four-party meeting in Geneva, will be foiled,” he said…”
Putin’s blunt letter about the gas trade and now Lavrov’s warning to Kerry together should help dissuade the banderivtsy from assaulting the east. The shrill reaction from zionazi-nazistan in the last 24 hours seems to indicate they are reacting to being outmaneuvered, again. Very much like their hysterics after their Crimea plan got preempted by Russia. Impotent rage.
Hopefully the chessmasters have foreseen all the Israeli-American moves and continue to successfully foil them as effectively as they have done so far.
вот так
Crazy Ivan says…
@ mjm
Do you really want an incurable deathly plague of some sort start mowing population of Europe after Germany/EU asked US to disband NATO and to leave Europe with their US bases and thermonuclear weapons?
It is not a joke!
@Anonymous:Did all these refusals to “fire a single shot” happen in response to (i.e. AFTER) actual orders from Kiev? Or were those anticipatory statements?
That is a no-brainer: first look at the angry and frustrated reaction from Kiev. Then consider that a good chunk of them has gone further and switched sides (hardly under orders from Kiev) and finally, Kiev would not order their own repressive organs to denounce it. No, the freaks sure did try – Avakov had made no secret about it – it’s just that they are losing control.
I’m wondering how much Putin’s (vague) assurance to protect Russians in the Ukraine was helping all those take this stance on “principal” grounds
Probably a lot since these are pretty smart and well-informed folks, and they know that 1) Moscow knows who they are (balaclavas do not protect you from the SVR) and 2) if they go too far, the Polite Armed Men in Green (who have just taken 30’000 well armed Ukrainians prisoner without a single shot fired in anger) will show up and make minced meat of them.
So yeah, while some were probably motivated by honor and patriotism, other, no doubt, are cynically acting in their own best interest. They are feeling that the tide is turning and that if they don’t pick the winning side now, they might live to regret it.
@Nora:Next Sunday is the Western Easter as well. I wonder how many families will be making pysanky this year, and cannot even imagine what they must be feeling while creating them
Maybe shame for what their co-religionists have done to the Ukraine over the past few months? A sense that Christianity and Nazi-like racism don’t mix too well? No, probably not. Probably an even stronger sense of hatred for the accursed Moskals…
@mjm:A peaceful resolution of the Ukraine crisis is not in the interest of Washington
True. But since the USA is both unable and unwilling to actually pick up the costs of the shit-storm which is about to hit the EU if they persist, it’s influence will also start to become weaker. The folks at the PACE don’t really manage the daily economies, they are mostly political windbags, and they are campaigning, but if the gas stops coming, a lot of people will be in a difficult situation. Oh, I am not suggesting that anybody gives a damn about the average European and his/her plight, but if the business executives, bankers, industry leaders and the rest of the European plutocracy see their bank accounts suddenly take a plunge, they will get *really* mad, and they have a voice which the EU leaderships will listen to.
Cheers,
The Saker
Who in the ‘west’ is going to oppose the oligarchs? Surely not anyone in power the U.S. As I see it with the oligarchs you get a failed state. Without them a slim chance of a slightly better economy.
in the phrase
“Berkut officers in Donetsk put on old Uniforms and Saint George ribbons and said they would find on the side of the people.”
you want “fight” instead of “find”.
Your caring proofreader
“The crazies in Kiev” don’t use the restroom without permission from NY-DC-London.
The people pulling the strings in the West laid a trap for Putin and he stubbornly refuses to walk into it. Now they are panicking. Without a Putin error, the East and 20% of Ukraine’s remaining GDP are going to Russia. What will be left behind are a lot of pissed off and impoverished Ukrainians who will realize that they got the shaft from the Jew World Order. Ukraine will ultimately become the buffer state that it should have been without Jew interference.
The folks on the ground should turn to God, have courage and stand for what is right.
“Probably an even stronger sense of hatred for the accursed Moskals…” Ohhhhhh, I hope you’re wrong, Saker. I cannot imagine making Easter eggs with hatred in my heart, even for those who deprived my people of their lives and land. (I feel it plenty of other times, for sure, but not then — God kind of comes first, you know?)
@Your caring proofreader:you want “fight” instead of “find”.
I do indeed! Thanks a lot, I corrected that stupid typo :-)
I am ashamed of my typos, but I think that I am incurable, alas.
Have a wonderful week-end!
The Saker
Greetings from Singapore:
Saker, my point is: Putin not only needs China in the East, but also Germany in the West, to change the present disruptive & predatory capitalism/imperialism system towards a sustainable and fair world order. If Germany compromises on the Ukraine issue, we are a step closer to change the world.
@Nora: I cannot imagine making Easter eggs with hatred in my heart
I know. But, alas, the world is filled with people have done that – and similar things – over and over again. People like you, Nora, who do not have hatred in their heart simply cannot make sense of those who do, and that is a blessing for you. My wife is also like that – infinitely kind to all, and always feeling compassion for all her fellow-humans, even the worst ones. She always tell me “they are not evil, they are sick”. While I admire that, and love her for it, I cannot agree, alas. There are truly evil people out there, they are high on hatred like other are high on drugs, they are quite literally possessed by a burning hatred which they cannot even really rationally explain, but which they nonetheless feel. Lastly, remember that fundamental truth: this entire “Ukraine” concept was, from its inception, built on a rabid hatred of everything Russian and over the centuries this hatred has only grown stronger. It is quite possible to built a religion on pure hatred – look at how modern “Judaism” looks at Christianity – it’s the same thing: if Judaism is basically anti-Christianity than uniatism is little more than anti-Orthodoxy and Ukrainian nationalism – russophobia: they all lack a positive content, all they have is hatred, hatred and more hatred and the kind of crazy stuff you hear today in Kiev did not just come out of nowhere – it comes out of these cultures. Let me give you just one example:
There is a hilarious and totally insane lady called Irina Farion on the Ukie Parliament. She just actually declared the following during an official statement: “those who speak in Moskalese (her expression for “Russian”) in this hall have to be reminded that folks who speak a foreign languages are either vulgar brutes or occupants – the first must be told to go to hell, the second ones be shot“. I can promise you that this lady will also be doing pisanki and sing (beautiful) koliadki next week while wearing her most beautiful vyshyvanka and its all going to look very touching. I know – I have seen them do it.
The Saker
I think the possibility exists for a counter-coup that even many in Western Ukraine will support now that they’ve had some time to view the behavior of those who illegally took power. Sunday will dawn with even more of “Russian” Ukraine retaken by the people.
Peace is absolutely in Washington’s best interest, as it always is for a dying empire. Washington doesn’t accept that because dying empires are the domain of nut jobs fantasizing about the good old days when new satrapies were a dime a dozen.
Never mindful of the sage advice of Clint Eastwood’s character Dirty Harry Callahan in Magnum Force, empires do not, know their limitations.
@Saker
> That is a no-brainer
I guess my question was not clear. What I meant was:
Did all these refusals to “fire a single shot” happen in response to (i.e. AFTER) actual orders from Kiev TO ATTACK THE PRO-RUSSIANS?
If I were really optomistic I would consider that Yats and his band would simply withdraw to Israel. I mean $2 Billion in gold for a few months work? Not too shabby!
@Anonymous:Did all these refusals to “fire a single shot” happen in response to (i.e. AFTER) actual orders from Kiev TO ATTACK THE PRO-RUSSIANS?
I guess my reply was not clear. What I meant was:
YES
:-)
Cheers,
The Saker
@вот так
> Kiev’s use force in south-eastern Ukraine will foil four-party meeting plan – FM Lavrov
I think that is Russia’s way of saying “There’s gonna be costs”, except not attending that meeting is code word for “We’ll be busy directing polite green armed men”…
This threat might actually have turned the tide in Donetsk, when it comes to Kiev’s actions.
Anonymous said…12 April, 2014 20:26
“If I were really optomistic I would consider that Yats and his band would simply withdraw to Israel.”
No, no, not Israel. The Palestinians have enough grief dealing with the Judeo-supremacist bigots already occupying Palestine.
Let the buggers withdraw to Utah instead. ;)
вот так
Беркут – народные герои! Ребята, мы вами гордимся!!!! Донецк, МВД, 12.04.14 (Berkut – folk heroes! Guys, we are proud of you!! Donetsk, MIA, 4/12/14)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAq1CWF7dek
See what happens when you do the right thing. :)
@ Saker … they are high on hatred like other are high on drugs
Yeah, but not only that: they despise the whole world. They are nuts.
And they seem to know it :)
The all-powerful Department of Homeland Security is preparing a new nest for its HQ.
It will be located at and near St. Elizabeths, an Abandoned Insane Asylum, which once held an imprisoned Ezra Pound, who helped Justas Mullins write the first book, revealing secrets of the FRS
https://publicintelligence.net/the-department-of-homeland-securitys-new-hq-is-an-abandoned-insane-asylum/
http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/133423
Best Regards,
shed
Well, I can feel plenty of anger, I assure you, but never enough to genuinely wish someone ill. So your wife is a far better woman than I am. But also, if a psychopath kills somebody, that person is just as dead, and people who keep doing evil things over and over again, I think become essentially evil: whatever conscience they may have had just shriveled right up. So yes, I do think people can be evil, whether it’s a form of psychopathology or not. And to me, to act deliberately to cause harm without considering the humanity of another person, is evil, Saker, whether the individual is so consumed with ginned up hatred, or just considers the 99%, or all non-whites, “takers” or in the way or whatever — or worse yet, doesn’t bother thinking about them at all. But even so, and Irina Farion and her ilk notwithstanding, do you really honestly believe the “average” W. Ukrainian man or woman really harbor such strong hatreds? I know the US, I know the racism, but the spittle-flecked hatreds (and fears), the really awful stuff, tends to be far less common even in the South than just “ordinary”, day-to-day feelings that my group is right and of course that group is inferior mentally, morally or whatever. Sure, the awful stuff is very easily ginned up and the darned fools still haven’t learned that it’s never to their benefit; wasn’t during the Civil War and hasn’t been since. And I’ll grant you the coup-masters have been trying to gin it up too but, aside from the Pravy Sektor thugs, and Irina et. al., do you think they’re really succeeded? Remember, their support was pretty darned limited before the coup, and I’ve read at least that a lot of (innocent) folks at the Maidan are rather disillusioned now. I’d like to think the really deep, murderous, irrational hatred is not in large enough numbers to make a matter. Maybe my faith is misplaced. I really hope not.
Two really, really good pieces, first a detailed consideration, with footnotes, on various human rights abuses committed by the thugs:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article183206.html
And second, a piece on RT about European NGOs training agents for intrastate conflicts:
http://rt.com/news/europe-trains-agents-conflicts-164/
And finally, вот так, my daughter once commented that it was a shame the Jews couldn’t have been given part of Utah instead, so they could duke it out with the Mormons. ;~)
A typo in my previous post:
The name of Mullins is Eustace
Best Regards
shed
Hi Saker,
In your writings, and responses you generally imply that the Roman Catholics instigated most of the cruelty while the poor persecuted Orthodox were fairly passive, if not downright warm and cuddly.
I collect Byzantine coins where sometimes the history is revealed to be somewhat at odds with this narrative.
Here is the narrative accompanying a coin of Basil II with Constantine VIII from 976-1025:
“Probably the most militant of the Byzantine emperors, Basil never married, devoting his entire reign to conducting campaigns against Bulgarians, Fatimids, Georgians and the western principalites. At the Battle of Kleidion in 1014, he acquired his nickname Bulgar-Slayer (Bulgaroktonos) when he captured and blinded somewhere between 8,000 and 15,000 Bulgarians (sparing one out of every one-hundred to lead the other ninety-nine home). The Bulgarian tsar Samuel is said to have died of despair when he saw what had been done to his men.”
Happy Easter,
Best wishes,
Gordon.
This sucks for the Amerikas neo-cons but I would never count them out. You’re right the next few weeks will be big and we can only hope for the best and expect the worse. Fingers crossed for the best;)
@Gordon: hmmm, let’s see what you wrote:
In your writings, and responses you generally imply that the Roman Catholics instigated most of the cruelty
That is absolutely correct. Guilty as charged and unrepentant. Except that I do not use the term “Roman Catholic” but “Latin Christians” since the latter are neither Roman (but Frankish) nor Catholic (but Papist).
the poor persecuted Orthodox were fairly passive, if not downright warm and cuddly.
Never said anything like it – that is a classical straw man.
the most militant of the Byzantine emperors, Basil (…) captured and blinded somewhere between 8,000 and 15,000 Bulgarians (sparing one out of every one-hundred to lead the other ninety-nine home
So you have convincingly established that a) not all Orthodox Christians were saints and that b) the most militant Byzantine emperor committed a disgusting atrocity. The first is a truism the second a non-sequitur
Let me tell you that if you propose the whitewash the Latin atrocities in the Ukraine from (the Latin ‘saint’) Josaphat Kuntzevich to Iarosh via Bandera by a straw man argument, followed by a truism and concluding with a non-sequitur you really underestimate the intelligence of the folks around here.
Your post does however serve an important purpose. It shows your true face, making my point better than I could and for that I am grateful.
One more thing: it’s called “Pashka” from the Jewish word “pesach” or Passover. The word “Easter” comes from the old English word Ēostre – a Germanic pagan Goddess. If you want to impersonate a Christian you might want to remember that.
The Saker
“I am ashamed of my typos, but I think that I am incurable, alas.”
This (below) helps explain why we can’t proof read our own typing very well.
It makes a good point regarding seeing our own typos — indeed, it explains why one can read something one has written over and over again without ‘seeing’ the obvious (to anyone else) mistake.
One ‘solution’ which I use to help is to change the style or format when proof reading – i.e. change the size, font, color etc. Easy enough in MSWord etc. Also why ‘preview’ helps. Then a different brain circuit is used and many typos will be seen ‘as if’ the text was written by another. It’s not perfect but I find it does help.
http://www.kurzweilai.net/brain%E2%80%99s-visual-circuits-do-error-correction-on-the-fly
r.
Hi Saker,
Bit of an angry response.
“Let me tell you that if you propose the whitewash the Latin atrocities in the Ukraine”
I do/did not propose any such whitewash – you added this phrase as your own straw man. I merely tried to introduce some balance to your correspondence with Nora and the hatred that you feel for past atrocities.
Finally:
“If you want to impersonate a Christian you might want to remember that.”
In what way am I supposed to be emulating a Christian, simply by noting Byzantine historical events. The Happy Easter salutation that I added is simply something of a generic greeting used here by almost everyone (religious or not) at this time of year, not unlike the use of Merry Christmas in December.
Best wishes,
Gordon.
Dear All,
Wish you all a very happy Easter in advance.
I can see two possible scenarios emerging here.
1. The US may try to attack the peaceful protestors in the East by sending in more under cover Blackwater(Academi) people or Israeli snipers.
2. The US is already trying to sell more gas to Ukraine as the Gazprom is talking about witholding the supplies. The US will try it’s best to export more gas at the cost of Russia to Ukraine. Westinghouse is certainly gearing up for it.
I believe this was the real game plan for the US. They want to kick Russian gas out of Europe by projecting Russia as some one who cannot be trusted. This was the real game plan here.
What do you think about all these points ? I would love your comments on these.
Take care
Debanjan
Saker,
You are fond of quoting from scripture a lot.
You know I am from India and I must say I am not very knowledgeable about Christianity.
But it seems to me that the interpretation of scripture by the Russian people and that of the West are seemingly so different on so many issues.
I wonder why it is so ? Both places (i.e. West and Russia) are geographically not very far apart and the people in these places are ethnically more or less same (many Germans lived in Czarist Russia and similarly many Slav lived in the German and Austro-Hungarian empires). So why there is so large difference in terms of interpretation of the scriptures by the West and Russia ?
@Debanjan: it seems to me that the interpretation of scripture by the Russian people and that of the West are seemingly so different on so many issues. I wonder why it is so ?
You are absolutely correct. Orthodoxy, Latin Christianity and Reformed/Protestant Churches have three fundamentally different ways of understanding and interpreting the scripture:
Latin theology is primarily scholastic. It believes that “philosophy is the servant of theology”. With time, however, Latin theology basically was reduced to “whatever the Pope says”.
Reformed/Protestant theology is centered around the notion of sola scriptura “the Scripture alone”. Meaning that the Scripture contains its own exegesis, that it explains itself, it is the revealed word of God and that nobody should stand between it and the reader.
Orthodox theology is primarily mystical and ascetic. It considers that the Scripture cannot be viewed outside the greater Body of the Church and the Holy Spirit which fills It. The key to theological understanding is not a PhD in theology, but a pure heart, asceticism and prayer. In that sense Orthodoxy is much closer to, for example, Vedanta or the teachings of Patanjali than to Thomas Aquinas. Finally, Orthodoxy bases its understanding and interpretation of the Scripture on the teachings of the Fathers of the Church, on the Patristic consensus (consensus patrum) and mindset (phronema ton pateron).
This is why, indeed, these denominations are really dramatically different from each other in pretty much everything except very superficial and mostly misleading similarities.
HTH, kind regards,
The Saker
I have just discovered your blog and am delighted to find someone else speaking truth to power. I am trying to do the same in my own small way -from NZ – http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/
Spasibo, Vsego khoroshego!
@VINEYARDSAKER: Orthodox theology […] considers that the Scripture cannot be viewed outside the greater Body of the Church and the Holy Spirit which fills It.
This is also Martin Luther’s position. I wish you would stop lumping Lutheranism together with Roman Catholicism as Western Christianity vs. Eastern Christianity. Lutherans have no quarrel with the Russian Orthodox. As someone who was baptized in a Russian Orthodox Church, I can take communion in a Lutheran church, but not a Catholic church.
Saker,
In one of your previous posts on Ukraine you did mention that Russian orthodox have been facing a virulent crusade for the last 1000 years.
1. The Popes sending their recently German converts (the same vandals who destroyed Rome) as Tutonic Knights to destroy and forcibly convert the Russian people.
2. Then Napoleon’s quest to conquer and convert the Russian sole.
3. Then came Hitler and his idea of lebensraum on the Russian soil.
4. Then came the US crusade at the end of the cold war to colonize and destroy Russia once and for all.
What is common pattern here is the hatred that West seems to have for the Orthodox East.
Can you tell me what is the source of that hatred that makes the West to seek to murder and destroy an entire civilization (that too Russian civilization – one of the most unique , potent and beautiful of all the World’s civilizations)
The zionazis quislings have started attacking Slavyansk.
Силовики проводят спецоперацию в Славянске, в городе слышна стрельба (Siloviki conduct a special operation in Slavyansk in shootings)
http://ria.ru/world/20140413/1003700876.html
“Earlier, Interior Minister announced the beginning of operations in Slavyansk Donetsk region, where supporters of the federalization of Ukraine on the eve of occupied several administrative buildings. Avakov argues that activists opened fire. On the eve of the representatives of the protesters Slovyansk assured that they do not have weapons.
SLAVYANSK, April 13 – RIA Novosti. Obey Kiev troops spend in Slavyansk Donetsk region, where supporters on the eve of federalization occupied several administrative buildings, special operation in shootings in the air patrolling helicopters, RIA Novosti reported from the scene.
On Sunday morning, Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on its web site in Facebook about this event Slovyansk transactions involving “security forces from all divisions of the country.” He also wrote that civilians should “get away from the city center – not to leave the apartment, do not approach the windows.” Avakov argues that activists opened fire. On the eve of the representatives of the protesters Slovyansk assured that they do not have weapons.
Entrance to the city from the Donetsk blocked fasting DAI, reinforced APC. Vehicles are not allowed in the city, at the entrance of a traffic jam. Entry is blocked by Red Lyman, who also control advocates federalization.
One of the supporters of federalization phoned told RIA Novosti that the police department building Slovyansk surrounded. In neighboring Kramatorsk supporters federalization preparing to defend the city administration and the police department. At the moment they turned to the chief of staff Sergei Kostyukova calling to resign, or to organize a defense. The building entrance is blocked by barricades…”
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Life describes it different.
В результате стрельбы рядом со Славянском пострадал рыбак (In the shooting near the Slavic injured fisherman)
http://lifenews.ru/news/131140
Armed men who arrived in the city for a military operation, a local resident was wounded, firing from APCs.
Information about the alleged ongoing Slovyansk raid – another duck from the Kiev authorities. Earlier – that the military operation began in his “Facebook” wrote Acting Interior Minister Arsen Avakov.
However, no shooting and wounded in the Donetsk region last night still not done. How to tell the activists self Donbass to Slavic contracted military equipment and armed men in a black outfit. On the morning of April 13 shots were fired.
– About half an hour ago near the village of Semenivka BTR opened fire. Suffered simple local fisherman. Apparently, he was taken for a member of group self-defense because he was dressed in camouflage clothing, – said Vyacheslav activist self-defense detachment.
According to the source, the victim was seriously wounded in the chest. Fighting for his life, doctors at the local hospital.
– A few kilometers from the city seen 7 APCs, one Ural. At the local airport landed two helicopters. We counted about 150 supposedly fighters “Jaguar”. They are armed with rifles, machine guns and grenade launchers, dressed in black uniforms and have no insignia. It may be mercenaries – Vyacheslav continues.
Earlier residents Sloviansk not confirmed start a military operation to suppress the protesters, which reported new Kiev authorities.
Interior Minister Avakov promised tough to respond to the protests of citizens, who took office buildings Slovyansk. For operation it attracted workers of all power units of the country, and directs the actions of the Security Service. In the night of April 13, some media even reported early assault.”
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Сторонники федерализации в Славянске отрицают начало штурма (Supporters deny federalization Slovyansk beginning of the assault)
http://lifenews.ru/news/131139
“Activists occupied the building of the police and the city administration, told LifeNews, that the information about this raid is untrue.
Residents Sloviansk not confirm the beginning of the military operation to suppress protesters. Previously new Kiev authorities disseminated information regarding the start Slovyansk, which said Interior Minister Arsen Avakov.
According to activists, over the city from time to time circling helicopters, but in general the situation is calm. According to preliminary information to the Slavic night moved about seven APCs, but in the city they were not seen.
Avakov promised tough to respond to the protests of citizens, who took office buildings Slovyansk. For operation it attracted workers of all power units of the country, and directs the actions of the Security Service. In the night of April 13, some media even reported early assault.
Morning of April 12 federalization supporters seized the building of the city administration and police Sloviansk. Mayor Sloviansk Nelia Shtepa told that these people call themselves supporters of the regional people’s militia and “people’s governor” Paul Gubaryov.
Immediately after the capture of the city administration and police Slovyansk pro activists erected around the district police department barricades , fearing assault by the Kiev authorities.
To capture location drove the car, loaded tires, people pulled them and piled near the entrance. Construction reinforced by police with shields and sandbags.
Support residents and staff went out of Special Forces “Berkut”. Soldiers are with all the inhabitants have captured militias Donbass police building.”
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Saker, thanks again for your work. My hopes are for autonomous regions in a loose federated Ukraine. The question that springs to mind though is how to clean up the issues of Ukrainian Ologachs???
For true help and renewal of Ukraine, these parasites on Ukrainian people / economic activity has to be dealt with.
Any thoughts on this?
In the West I have seen the destruction of businesses in the name of Public Listings on the Stock Exchange where ownership moves from interested parties in the business to non interested parties distant from the business. The main concerns of Public Listed Stock holders is seemingly short term profit. That combined with the fraud that is Western Stock Markets with HTF programs and Casino Capitalism, well…..
Hope people of Ukraine can find a means for self determination that free themselves of these and their current economic woes.
Justin.
На Донбассе началось вооруженное столкновение спецназа и пророссийских активистов (Donbas armed clashes and pro-Russian activists spetsnaz)
http://www.politnavigator.net/v-slavyanske-nachalos-vooruzhennoe-stolknovenie-specnaza-i-prorossijjskikh-aktivistov.html
Slovyansk, April 12 (Navigator, Victoria Litovchenko) – Key events of the day will unfold in the areas of Donetsk region Slovyansk after the announcement of the antiterrorist operation began an armed clash.
This citing eyewitnesses reported “Navigator” Donetsk analyst Roman Manekin.
According to eyewitness reports, the clashes have already begun at checkpoints pro-Russian activists exposed Slovyansk at the entrance to the city. By tightening the security forces roadblocks Ukrainian armored vehicles, armored vehicles from firing at roadblocks to defeat. There are reports of wounded.
Near the city police department Slavic women stood a human chain. Helicopters circling above the city.
By Slavyaesku drives a car with a loudspeaker, convene all approach to building Clavyanskogo city police department. The church, located in the central square of the city, beat the bell, said Slavgorod.
There are reports of clashes also Kramatorsk…”
Video:
Под Славянским горотделом
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtiQgVaFx8
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Ukraine’s Slavyansk under siege as Kiev orders crackdown on protests
http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-violence-slavyansk-240/
“There are reports from the scene of a gunfight in the city of Slavyansk in eastern Ukraine, where anti-government protesters seized several buildings. It comes after Kiev announced an “anti-terrorist operation” against the protesters.
Helicopters are flying over the defiant city in the Donetsk region. They aircraft are Ukrainian, judging by two white markings on their tails painted on all Ukrainian military hardware to distinguish them from Russian ones of the same design. Armored infantry vehicles have been also spotted near the city.
Local residents said several transport helicopters landed at an old airfield some 5 kilometers from the town center. Troops wearing black uniforms disembarked and went toward Slavyansk.
The shooting reportedly started at a checkpoint, which was established by protesters Saturday evening on the outskirts of the city.
At least three people, including one civilian, have been injured in the fighting and have been taken to the local hospital, some reports claim.
Approaches to the city have been blocked by uniformed troops besieging the city, RIA Novosti reported. Local bus services from the city have been canceled due to the blockade, Itar-Tass reported.
Kiev’s troops, which arrived Sunday morning, are still not in control of the town center. The protesters at the Slavyansk police station, which was the first building they captured Saturday, are preparing to fend off a siege, LifeNews reports from the scene. The building has been reinforced with barricades over the past 24 hours. Similar defensive precautions are being taken at other buildings controlled by the protesters…”
Several photos and a video:
Славянск 13 апреля 2014 Над городом кружат вертолеты
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5IQWqVAggI
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The Jewish zionazis at AP are setting up the propaganda to justify a massacre.
Ukraine: Special forces sent to eastern city
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-special-forces-sent-eastern-city-071319464.html
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http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/
“Sunday, April 13
09:06 GMT:
The anti-Maidan protesters have seized the city council, police and prosecutors’ office buildings in the Donetsk region town of Enakievo. The town is home to some 85,000 people.
09:06 GMT:
US Vice-President Joe Biden will visit Kiev on April 22 to show Washington’s support “for a united, democratic Ukraine that makes its own choices about its future path,” the White House said.
Meanwhile, CIA director John Brennan has reportedly already visited Kiev and held a meeting with the country’s leaders, as well as with representatives of Ukraine’s security agencies, a source from Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, told Interfax news agency.
According to unconfirmed reports, Brennan influenced the decision by the Kiev authorities to crackdown on anti-Maidan activists in the eastern city of Slavyansk, the source said.”
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“Правый сектор” атаковал отряд самообороны под Славянском (“Right sector” attacked a detachment of self-defense under the Slavic)
http://lifenews.ru/news/131144
“Witnesses to the events in the village Semenivka told LifeNews, that shooting at civilians opened four provocateurs.
Four fighters “right sector” activists attacked vigilante groups, which were located near the entrance of the town near the village Slovyansk Semenivka. According to numerous eyewitnesses, they opened fire with automatic weapons and wanted to push the military arrived in the region to the beginning of the assault.
– I heard that near Sloviansk seen military equipment, and went to check. There were seven armored personnel carriers. With senior military talked of Mayor Sloviansk. At some point, when I started a conversation with one of the armed men suddenly a car drove up, jumped out of which four men with Kalashnikovs and opened fire – said local resident Vladimir Kolodchenko.
According to Vladimir, the victims were both among people and among the military. Identify the gunmen could not – they quickly disappeared in the forest.
Another witness said the incident that self-defense unit tried to prevent the infiltration of armed men in the city and blocked the entrance. At this point, a car drove up, “Reno” white, in which there were provocateurs. They opened fire and quickly disappeared.
When viewed from the car, civic activists beaten man found inside. As the wounded, a few hours before his right on the highway abducted and brutally beaten by a group of men unknown to him.
Now combing surrounding woods in search of self-defense fighters criminals hiding after a shootout.
Information about the shooting in the village Semenivka, five kilometers from the Slavic, appeared in the morning on April 13. One of the fishermen was wounded in the chest and was taken to hospital. Locals believe that it could take as a member of group self-defense because he was dressed in camouflage clothing.
Earlier residents Sloviansk not confirmed start a military operation to suppress the protesters, which reported new Kiev authorities.”
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Dear The Saker,
Sadly some blood has now been spilt – from RT:
11:12 GMT:
“Conflicting reports of casualties are coming in from Slavyansk, which remains the scene of an armed confrontation between pro-Kiev troops and anti-Maidan protesters controlling the city.
The Donetsk region health authorities said one person has been killed on a road connecting Slavyansk with Artyomovsk, and another five injured by gunshots in Slavyansk.
It was not immediately clear whether these casualties were the ones referred to earlier Sunday by Arsen Avakov, Kiev’s acting Interior Minister, or those reported by the protesters.
11:10 GMT:
Three people have been reported killed in Slavyansk after Kiev’s crackdown on the city, anti-government activist Nikolay Solntsev told RIA Novosti. He said that one anti-Maidan protester was killed and two injured, while two people were reportedly killed from the Pravy Sektor (Right sector) nationalist group.”
Sadly when you let the crazy US Govt. start having an influence this is what happens – from RT:
09:06 GMT:
“US Vice-President Joe Biden will visit Kiev on April 22 to show Washington’s support “for a united, democratic Ukraine that makes its own choices about its future path,” the White House said.
Meanwhile, CIA director John Brennan has reportedly already visited Kiev and held a meeting with the country’s leaders, as well as with representatives of Ukraine’s security agencies, a source from Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, told Interfax news agency.
According to unconfirmed reports, Brennan influenced the decision by the Kiev authorities to crackdown on anti-Maidan activists in the eastern city of Slavyansk, the source said.”
In addition to this more and more cities are rising up today and taking over Govt. buildings
Rgds,
Veritas
Some more info in addition to info from вот так on Slavyansk:
– After the attackers (who have wounded a fisherman), fled, abandoning their cars, the self-defence people found a dead man (with several gun wounds) in black uniform in between the abandoned cars.
The strange thing about him was the man being dead cold in a couple of minutes after the shooting.
Which means a provocation: the has been killed earlier and brought to the site in order to accuse the self-defence forces of killing the man.
And Avakov (the acting head of the Ministry) was fast in confirming it – by declaring very fast after the incident that the commander of the special security forces has been killed near Slavyansk by the self-defence guys…
Dirty pigs are those Kiev junta creatures
Best regards
shed
@Debanjan
>> What is common pattern here is the hatred that West seems to have for the Orthodox East. Can you tell me what is the source of that hatred that makes the West to seek to murder and destroy an entire civilization (that too Russian civilization – one of the most unique , potent and beautiful of all the World’s civilizations)? >>
Sincerely, I think I have the fully correct answer here to share with the readership. “The West” is absolutely inseparable from imperial conquest, slavery, genocide, and ecocide. Greed, corruption, and lawlessness all along the line. This has a pretty obvious and important corollary:
If there’s one thing “The West” and its, ahem, proud domestic baboons can’t stand, it’s the mere knowledge of the existence of vast swathes of land and riches their much revered betters haven’t been able to lay their greedy hands on and share with their grovelling subjects. This Weltanschau applies unconditionally/globally, but maybe especially to Russia where the booty would be astronomical. Russia’s beauty — and her readiness to defend it — is bound to srive “The West” über-bonkers.
Oh, and by the way, there is a funny little “coincidence” approaching that might have some significance in the minds of NWO Western zealots: Easter Sunday this year (April 20) marks the 125th anniversary of Herr Hitler. Easter celebration with swastikas most definitely sounds like a lovely little Western event, does it not?
shed…13 April, 2014 11:10
Thanks for that additional info. The banderivtsy bum banditos probably had several provocations set-up for the Jewish run/owned western propaganda corps to exploit as justification for their war crimes.
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Let’s hope that the New Bolsheviks are shown the door and have to crawl back to Brussels on their way to their private jet flight to Tel Aviv.
There is a concept in Shia Islam call “Tabarra” or disassociation.
While it is obligatory to love the Ahlulbayt it is also obligatory to disassociate from their enemies or those who hurt them. If you love one, you have to hate the other. Otherwise that love has no meaning. It’s like an empty gesture.
Mindfriedo