When I heard this morning that Putin had asked the Federation Council to repeal the resolution on the use of Russian armed forces on the territory of Ukraine I was frankly baffled. Truly, I had not expected such a move. I had noticed yesterday that the so-called “consultations” (as opposed to “negotiations”) between the Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov, a senior representative for the OSCE Tagliavini, Ukraine’s second president Kuchma, Ukrainian Choice movement leader Medvedchuk and the Donetsk People’s Republuc’s Prime Minister Borodai, South-East movement leader Tsaryov and representatives of the Lugansk People’s Republic had resulted in the Novorussian leaders agreeing to a temporary cease-fire, but I did not expect that the situation would change so rapidly. Let’s recall what was going on just a few days ago.
How did we get here?
This is how I concluded the June 20th SITREP (entitled “Slaviansk encircled”)
Again, we have a situation in which Poroshenko or, should I say, Poroshenko’s puppeteers in Washington, are absolutely determined to achieve either one of the following goals:
1) To extend Banderastan all the way to the Russian border
2) To force Russia to openly intervene militarily in the DonbassThis is a winning strategy because Kiev has the means to achieve at least one of these goals and Putin does not have a third option. The Kremlin’s preferred solution – to have Novorossia successfully resist the Ukie aggression – does not seem to be achievable, at least not if the Kremlin does not take dramatic action to change the dynamic on the ground.
In fact, I had predicted that Putin would be forced to send in the Russian military not only to avoid a real genocide of the population of Novorossia, but even a “symbolic disaster” like the fall of Slavniansk because the fall of this now symbolic city would be a political disaster for Putin.
Over the next couple of days (June 21st-23rd) my feeling that an intervention was imminent only grew stronger. This is what I wrote in a private email to a contact in the Ukraine:
A lot of my time is spent scanning the Russian RuNet (official and social) media to get a sense of what is happening. I can say categorically that I sense that something is changing: I think that even though Putin is not making any loud statements about it, the complete farce of Poroshenko’s “ceasefire” and “peace plan” has really pissed off the Kremlin and the near-to-the-Kremlin elites who now have switched from a “wait and see and hope for the best” to a “okay, you wanna fuck, let’s fuck” mode. For one thing I get the sense that a decision has been made not to allow a genocide in Novorossia. My sense is that the only decision left to fine tune is how, but my guess is that help across the border (in goods and money) will go through the roof. I also hear that the number of volunteers is going sharply up. The key thing is that I also get the feeling that the Ukies are maxed out and that they are having major supplies issues. So it is “just” a matter of us moving resources in fast enough to allow the “thin” Novorussian resistance to hold until the Ukie side begins to crumble. Poroshenko, who before did have some street-cred as “the one who does not have blood on his hands”, is now universally despised. And Gazprom is fed up too. All this is to say that I would not be surprised to see an increase of very polite Russians in Lugansk and Donetsk.
Of course, I was referring to a “thinly covert” kind of intervention, not an overt military one, but the difference between the two is really academic. Besides, one often leads to the other anyway. My local contact, by the way, agreed and confirmed something was definitely changing for the better (sorry, I cannot go into specifics).
So the visible sequence over the past week has been the following one:
- First, Kiev “offered” a “peace plan” which was an ultimatum.
- Then, the junta launched a full-scale Ukie assault on Novorossia.
- At this point the situation became truly critical and Slaviansk was encircled.
- The public mood in Russia became one of extreme rage and frustration.
- Then it became clear that the Resistance had inflicted huge losses on the Ukies especially in the Lugansk region and the Karachun hill.
- Putin ordered troops to the border and military exercises involving Airborne forces
- Consultations began between an ad-hoc group and Novorissian authorities
- Novorossian authorities accepted a temporary the ceasefire
- Putin asked the Federation Council to repeat the authorization to use the military to protect the Russian-speakers in the Ukraine
To this visible sequence of events I want to add two very important points:
First, concerning point 5 (Ukie losses): not only did I get plenty of unverifiable reports that the Ukrainian losses were truly huge, but there are confirmed reports of entire Ukie border guard units fleeing to Russia to seek refuge and 400 soldiers of the Ukrainian Airborne Troops collectively resigning. As for Slaviansk, to the utter amazement of Strelkov who had expected a final assault, the Ukies withdrew. Strange no?
Second, there is a rather interesting opposition figure in Russia named Sergei Mironov who is the Chairman of the Federation Council and the President of the Just Russia Party (which I would describe as the only real opposition party in the Duma and whose orientation I would call “Left of Putin Social-Democratic”). It so happens that Mironov was on the forefront on the Crimean issue for which Uncle Sam “thanked him” by including him in the list of blacklisted Russian politicians. Let’s just say that on the Ukrainian issue Mironov did some very good work and that he gained a lot of political weight. Well, two days ago Mironov got so outraged by the situation in Novorossia that he announced on a talkshow on Russian TV that Russia should consider recognizing the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics which, as he said, would allow Russia to pour in as much money, weapons or even military forces as needed without having to consult with any third party. Keep this idea in mind, as it is very important for the rest of this analysis.
True, at the same time, Oleg Tsarev – the de-facto political leader of Novorussia – had set out seven pre-conditions (including full withdrawal and even compensation!) for any negotiations with Kiev, none of which had any chance to be accepted by the Ukie junta, just as Poroshenko’s ultimatum aka “peace plan” had zero chance of being accepted in Novorussia. So the political deadlock was apparently total.
Alexander Borodai |
Connecting all the dots I would say that there were a lot of very dark clouds on the eastern horizon and that a thunderstorm was imminent. Sure, there were these rather bizarre ‘consultations’ taking place, but I doubt that anybody could have predicted that they would result in the Novorussian side agreeing to a ceasefire. And yet this is exactly what Alexander Borodai, the Prime-Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic announced.
Now whether Borodai is a high-ranking FSB officer or not, it is quite clear that he could not have taken such a decision without consulting both with Strelkov and the other military commanders and with his contacts in Moscow (wherever they might be). Clearly, a strategy developed at the top Russian levels is now being implemented. Let’s try to make sense of it.
Possible interpretations
First, I want to deal with the obvious one or, should I say, the obviously mistaken one. It can be summarized with the not-too-sophisticated slogan “Putin is backstabbing Novorossia” or, alternatively, “the NWO has bought Putin off”. I suppose that “the US nuclear blackmail of Russia has forced Putin to surrender” should also be dealt with here. For one thing, Smolenskaia street is not Foggy Bottom or an undergrad sorority, were decisions are made and reversed in less than 24 hours and were the latest fad sets the agenda. Putin did not spent the past 14 years freeing Russian from the AngloZionist control while directly opposing key US foreign policy goals just to be “bought off” and commit political suicide. As for the nuclear war canard, I have already dealt with it recently (see here and here) and I have no intention of repeating it all. I will therefore limit my analyses to credible options:
- Russia has concluded that the Ukrainians simply do not have the means to take over and ethnically/politically cleanse Novorussia and that covert aid is enough to secure the future survival of Novorussia.
- The EU and Russia have successfully bought Poroshenko away from US supervision and are now trying to take control of the situation.
- Russia is trying to offer the most symbolic concessions in preparation for an inevitable breakdown of the negotiations and a subsequent Russian intervention.
- Russia is buying time, just enough to have the Ukie economy collapse and the resulting social explosion to overwhelm the junta.
- Russia is offering a symbolic concession which more or less guarantees that the Europeans will not have to crash their own economy in further US-demanded sanctions.
Of those options which is the best? In my opinion the most credible one is the one which combines them all: I think that they are all true.
First, let’s make one thing clear: the latest Russian move is purely symbolic as was the Russian Federation Council’s initial decision to “authorize” Putin to use the Russian military if needed in the Ukraine. Putin is the commander in chief and he can order any use of the military he wants, and nobody will challenge that, much less so in the Russian Duma. Furthermore, covert actions being, by definition, covert – they do not require anybody’s approval, even formally. Second, just one Ukie attack on a Russian border post (even a mistaken one and even a failed one) are enough of a legal reason to invoke “self-defense” and I remind you that several such attacks have occurred last week. Third, since Poroshenko has openly declared that Crimea will forever remain Ukrainian and since Iarosh even promised to start a guerrilla in Crimea, Russia can always invoke “preemptive action”. Finally, and this is crucial, Putin can do exactly Mironov advocates: recognize the Novorussian republics (he does not have to have Duma backing for that) and then move in whatever forces he wants. So even formally, the latest Russian move is 100% symbolic.
Second, to understand what just has happened we need to look at it not only from a Russian, Novorussian or Ukie point of view, but also from the point of view of Uncle Sam. As a reminder, what where the US goals in the Ukraine: (in no particular order)
- Sever the ties between Russia and the Ukraine
- Put a russophobic NATO puppet regime in power in Kiev
- Boot the Russians out of Crimea
- Turn Crimea into a unsinkable US/NATO aircraft carrier
- Create a Cold War v2 in Europe
- Further devastate the EU economies
- Secure the EU’s status as “US protectorate/colony”
- Castrate once and for all EU foreign policies
- Politically isolate Russia
- Maintain the worldwide dominance of the US dollar
- Justify huge military/security budgets
I have color-coded objectives these objectives into the following categories:
Achieved – black
Still possible – too early to call – blue
Compromised – pink
Failed – red
Current “score card”: 1 “achieved”, 5 “possible, 2 “compromised” and 3 “failed”.
This is already a very mediocre result for a power which fancies itself as a superpower, nevermind an indispensable nation or world hegemon. But the point I want to make here is this: seen in the context of these AngloZionist strategic objectives, is the latest Russian move a good or a bad thing? I would argue that at the very least, it further compromises several already immediately threatens several US goals (1,5,8) and potentially complicates others (6,7,8). Not bad at all, if you ask me, especially for a purely symbolic move!
It ain’t over, not by a long shot
I have to immediately warn everybody that this one is far from over. For one thing, we should never under-estimate the power of the AngloZionist Empire who, just to make an example, has just slapped a 9 billion dollar fine on France for refusing to cancel the Mistral contract (well, officially, for not abiding by US sanctions on Somalia, Iran and Cuba). Second, the US has a long and distinguished history of sabotaging peace plans (I think of Bosnia, for example). Third, a ceasefire is much easier to break than to maintain. And, finally, there are now literally tens of thousands of crazed neo-Nazi thugs running around free in the Ukraine and there is quite literally nobody out there who could reign them in, nevermind disarm them: one could make a very reasonable argument that Kolomoiski has much more power than Poroshenko. Sad, scary, but true.
I have to agree with several Russian analysts who have recently warned that we are in this conflict for the long run and that it would be the height of irresponsibility to assume that now it’s all over and all is well. For one thing, the Banderastani part of the Ukraine is guaranteed to explode before the end of the year (Russia will shield Novorussia from this explosion by direct aid and economic ties). Finally, the information war will now only heat up even if the purely military aspects *might* become less central.
In personal and practical terms this means for me that even if a ceasefire becomes more or less permanent (and that is far from being even probable, at least as this point), I will continue to maintain, as best I can, this blog in a “crisis” mode with a 24/7 focus on what is taking place in the Ukraine. I would even argue that if, and that is a big “if”, the ceasefire holds, then the really complicated phase will begin with incredibly complex multi-actor negotiations over the future not only of Novorussia but even the future of the rest of the Ukraine. After all, a ceasefire in the East does not mean that Banderastan has suddenly become viable or that the people in Odessa or Mariupol have suddenly agreed to live under a neo-Nazi regime. All this ceasefire *might* indicate that that this is *possibly* the end of the very first phase of the Ukrainian crisis and that Novorussia *might* have withstood the junta’s attempt at crushing it (please note the triple conditional clauses!).
One more thing: while I have offered possible interpretations, this situation is, by definition, too early too call. I urge you call to show the highest degree of skepticism towards any “analyses” filled with categorical statements because it is simply undeniable that while we can speculate about what reasons Putin has for his decisions, we don’t really know that at all. As Rumsfeld once said, “as we know, there are known knowns; there are things that we know that we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don’t know we don’t know“.
There are simply too many “unknown unknowns” in the current situation to make any kind of categorical – nevemind final – judgements.
The Saker
PS: I wrote the above two hours in one shot and just before runing out to work. Please forgive the bad style and typos.
What would happen if Putin request gets rejected by the Russian parliament/council?
He gets to say, my hands are tied… a military intervention is demanded by the Russian public and I as their representative am duty bound to execute the wishes of the citizens, etc, etc.
So let’s see what the response to his request is.
I think your #5 is closest to the truth. I saw an article a few weeks ago that analyzed the bigger picture. It suggested the US goal was to economically separate the EU from Russia, as a part of a strategy to destabilize the Russian Federation. Ukraine is a trap aimed at forcing Russian intervention so that “Russian Aggression” could be claimed. The thesis is that Putin must bite his tongue and leave Ukraine alone in order to win the bigger game.
Let’s listen to what Mr. Putin said, not what some propaganda media headline is claiming FIRST before trying to assess what is going on:
“We have told Ukraine and also given this information to President Poroshenko: to declare a cease-fire is not enough; it is necessary to start substantive negotiations on the nature of the problem,” he added.
President Putin has stressed that negotiations should not just focus on stopping military actions. There should be dialogue “about specific arrangements between all sides in the conflict.”
At the same time, Kiev should not be demanding disarmament in eastern Ukraine, given that “radical elements like the Right Sector and other radical [groups] are not yet disarmed, despite repeatedly talking about that and basically promising that illegal groups will lay down arms.”
“In such conditions demanding militia to lay down arms, in my opinion, makes no sense,” Putin said.
Nevertheless, the existing ceasefire and the start of negotiations “is definitely a right decision,” the Russian president concluded. He added that Russia is interested in creating conditions “for a peaceful process” in Ukraine.
“This is what my appeal to the Upper House is connected with,” Putin said, responding to a journalist’s question about the presidential request to the Federation Council which is aimed at repealing the resolution on the use of Russian armed forces on the territory of Ukraine.
President Putin also stressed that his appeal will not mean that Russia “will not be paying attention to what is going on there.”
Moscow will continue to protect the rights of the ethnic Russian-speaking population in Ukraine – “hopefully” without the involvement of military forces.
“We, of course, will not only be closely following, but also reacting in an appropriate way [to events in Ukraine]. I hope that armed forces will not be needed for that,” he said. “
http://rt.com/news/168196-putin-ceasefire-ukraine-talks/
This is from RT coverage of Putin’s visit to Austria. I am sure that a complete transcript would be even more helpful. Listen to Larchmonter – he seems to have a pretty good sense of things.
From my post on the ANNA News thread:
“This move is a way to put additional pressure on European capitals to be constructive and help pressure Kiev to settle. I think Russia must have a great deal of information about the overall state of Ukraine and the junta government. Clearly the authorization is not the only legal avenue to support intervention – should it be deemed necessary.
I believe this is consistent with the overall strategy: Russia will protect its interests; Russia will honor its commitments and contracts; Russia will point out hypocrisy in the pronouncements and actions of other players; Russia will use accepted legal means to pursue its interests; Russia will be happy any time to enter negotiations on any subject provided all parties agree to deal honestly with the subject at hand and are actually committed to finding an acceptable compromise; Russia will announce its intentions clearly, honestly, and transparently: waiting for partners to step up to the plate. Should they not then don’t blame Russia for pursuing its goals unilaterally.”
Thanks for the analysis, Saker.
According to Will Vernon of the BBC:
“Borodai, when asked what about Putin’s request today: “It isn’t good news, but it only concerns Ukraine & not the Donetsk/Lugansk Republics”
(as also seen, uncredited, in this screenprint of Interfax news releases)
So there’s that.
And, Michael Weiss – of the poisonous InterpreterMag – was evidently as disappointed as we were in the Putin pronouncement:
The argument will be: Russia sued for peace, Ukraine opted for war. So be it. Provokatsiya for Dummies.
That’s when I started to think that maybe Putin’s move wasn’t such a bad thing (although Weiss did brighten up considerably when hearing about Borodai’s qualifier – still a chance for the AngloZionists to pull this one off! Woo hoo!)
Thanks Saker.
A big factor IMHO is the situation in Iraq which may not be completelly controled by the USA. Although the USA do want a complete and utter chaos, the EU puppets seem scarred out of their witts with the prospect of Nazis in the North-East and impeding invasion of shockingly fanatical canibals from the South.
It is just amazing to observe the wimpy weaklings from Brussels squeal in terror caused by the events un Iraq.
Cheers,
Daniel
Yeh, that’s surprice. It’s another sign of Putins weaknes.
He’s fighting for survival. Rothshilds are squizing him on both sides throug cutting his gas flow in Ukr and Iraq. He missed his chance on May 25 Novorossiyas referendum by not recognising it right away. He’ll have to go. Siergey Glazyev gave good background on the truth seeker’s web site.
Ceasefire ceased before it began
Beeb unfortunately:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28002993
Saker:
Perhaps it’s worth mentioning that the original resolution on the use of Russian army on Ukie soil spoke specifically of Crimea, which as of March 1st was still officially Ukrainian territory. Thanks to a number of very involved individuals from several sides, the “Crimea” part was underplayed and underreported while the “Ukraine” was inflated.
But the operation in Crimea is over. So the resolution no longer applies, and gets canned.
As for the cease-fire, it cannot work in a situation where neither Poroshenko nor Borodai&Co. maintain full control of forces they nominally control. Just a few minutes ago, reports came through about a Ukie Mi-8 shot down on take-off from Karachun. That’s Strelkov’s sector. Given that Strelkov has declared his unwilingness to observe the cease-fire earlier, I’d say he is not following the PRD leadership line very closely.
Oh, and he also found it necessary to publicly praise the aid he got from “Sputnik and Pogrom” people. Excellent PR boost for Prosvirnin, whose lemmings are already spreading the idea of “Down with Putin, up with Strelkov!” all over Russian blogosphere.
BOPOH
VIENNA. June 24 (Interfax) – Russian President Vladimir Putin considers it senseless to demand that the militia in the southeastern part of Ukraine disarm while Ukrainian radical forces are still armed. “It’s necessary not to demand disarmament, especially as regards the eastern part of Ukraine, especially considering that the radical forces, like Right Sector and other radicals, are still not disarmed, although there’s been a lot of talk about this and promises that these in fact illegal groups would lay down arms. They haven’t laid down arms, and they have still not even vacated Maidan,” Putin said at a press conference in Vienna on Tuesday. “In my view, demanding in these conditions that the militiamen lay down their arms is senseless,” he added. “Recalling what happened in Odesa, they [the militiamen] reply: ‘We lay down our arms today, and we’ll all be burned alive tomorrow,” he said. At the same time, Putin said the proposal on a ceasefire and negotiations is right. “We – Russia and I as the head of the Russian state – want to create conditions for its peace process. This is what prompted me to ask the upper chamber of the Russian parliament to rescind the resolution on the right to use the armed forces in Ukraine,” he said. At the same time, the Russian leader said he expected that “the peace process would develop toward solving issues on legitimate rights of the citizens living in the eastern part” of Ukraine. “It is necessary to talk about amendments to the constitution, about how the people will live there, and how their rights will be guaranteed,” Putin said.
Nine people are feared dead after self-defense forces in the Donetsk region shot down a Ukrainian army helicopter, which was used for transporting military cargo, a Kiev spokesman said. “Yes, it was brought down,” eastern Ukraine military operation spokesman, Vladislav Seleznyov, said when asked by Reuters about the helicopter’s fate. “There was a three-man crew, in all nine people,” the spokesman is cited as saying. The Ukraine’s National Guard fighters told the Ukrainskaya Pravda newspaper that the Mi-8 helicopter was downed during takeoff from Karachun Mountain (a strategic high point near Slavyansk where the Ukrainian army’s artillery is deployed).
For fuck sake, lets hope that the unknown unknowns to become known knowns in a positive way, unknown unknowns be buried in the grave. It is this naive thinking that came across my mind.
Regards
Let me echo Larchmonter’s comment on VP:
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I may be delusional, but I think VV Putin is the most interesting man in the world, at the top of his game, and light years ahead of the ghouls he is fighting.”
Actually I would say Mr. Putin is by far the most straight up and intelligent political leader or the world stage today. Don’t underestimate him. He has a good, well tested team, Russia’s intelligence services are VERY good – if they have blind spots I don’t know what they might be – he has the best information possible on the situation and a lot of experience with, and knowledge of, the important actors he is dealing with.
Look at the news about the gas deal with Ukraine – Russia says “well, if Ms Tymoshenko is not guilty of the charges concerning her gas deal than it’s terms must be valid. Now honor them.”
I also agree with our dear Saker – the situation in Ukraine is a watershed conflict for our time and it is not over yet by a long shot.
Forgiven. Not really all that bad. Nice analysis of a chaotic situation. Of course I continue to observe that all these war criminal characters that we waste so much time trying to understand are beyond understanding because they are obvious psychopaths with all the charming qualities of psychopaths, pathological lying being a big one. A different approach is needed with psychopaths than with mere enmities. I would like to see the convening a war crimes trial that identifies psychopathic mass murderers, at all levels in the Ukraine (Pooroldshenko is an expendable patsy) with convictions and death sentences. Forget the embarrassment in The Hague. China would be a good venue. Then start excluding countries that harbor and support these convicts from economic participation.
Anyway, that AND serious resupply of Novorussia including sophisticated weapons.
herb
I ve noticed that your blog was cited in Russia Today.
The saker wrote in his sitrep that America has just slapped a $9 billion fine on France for “violating” US sanctions against Iran etc. Well this is what gets me. Sanctions applied unilaterally by one country outside a UNSC mandate are in breach of international law and are as such illegal. This is kind of analogous to some bloke who lives down the road from you turning up on your doorstep one day demanding money from you because you have broken some “sanctions” he happened to have against mrs. Jones from across the road. Simply unbelievable.
Hi
Never mind the typos. The junta’s implosion began: http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/shrinkage-kiev-doubles-the-price-of-cold-water-shuts-off-hot-water-14612/
Oracle 911
The Saker said: “I have to agree with several Russian analysts who have recently warned that we are in this conflict for the long run and … the information war will now only heat up even if the purely military aspects *might* become less central.”
Given that the information war is a major component of the overall war (between US/AZE/NATO and Russia), can this component only be conducted by Russia and Russian-speakers? Or is there some way that non-Russian-speakers outside of Russia and the Donbass can contribute (even at the risk of being prosecuted)?
by requesting the russian parliament putin is also showing that he is not a dictator:-)
Reminds me of the consternation of many Soviet-friendly experts like yourself when it was announced in August 1939 that the USSR and Nazi Germany were now the best of friends. Your ‘great-Russia’ ideology is a fraud. The folks in the Kremlin would sign a pact with the devil to maintain their hold on power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIi4a7ri-dc&feature=youtu.be
The deputies of the Left Party, Sahra Wagenknecht, responds to the Policy Statement by Chancellor Angela Merkel, June 4, 2014
Maybe, the reason Putin is waiting is that his message about what is happening in East Ukraine is getting through. See link above.
To date Putin has:
a. Southstream has been signed
b. Poland – well, if gov’t collapse in Poland, who benefits? Certainly not the Americans.
c. Saudi – meetings have been taking place in the last few days, if Putin can wiggle Saudi out of the American influence, it will be game over for the US.
d. BRICS – meet in July
War in the shade
What sense would it make to uphold the illusion of a overt military intervention if such an option is not available in the near future?
to do so would:
– strengthen the propagandistic argumentation of the enemy side.
– weaken the resistance by giving the illusion that Russia would stand in for their own defence so people would wait for help instead of arming them self and fight.
– putting Putin under pressure to act under the impression of further provocations that have only one aim the intervention of Russia.
If Russia can make believe that they will not interfere than there will be less provocation and that is protecting the civil population.
All in all a wise and not so surprising move
Q
While the Saker’s US goals as listed are all more or less ‘part of the party’,I know it’s sort of stating the obvious, but I think it’s useful to bear in mind that it’s questionable that the US per se has a clearly defined set of goals. The conglomerations of people who are attempting to remain in effective control of the United States have a variety of macro agendas, and immense global resources pertaining to unlimited credit, corruption, destabilization, militarism, and deception, among others, to play with. The goal of global hegemony – full spectrum dominance – remains as far as I know ‘on the books’ and probably still firmly embedded in many fantasies. The goal of drastic population reduction and eugenics related philosophies lurk in the background.
Some major players are probably well satisfied with a few billion bucks in the offshore banks, and full spectrum perks.
But some of these people hold agendas which dovetail with others, while some are in dispute or at cross purposes.
Many of those with much influence over US policy are either not American citizens or hold dual citizenship or are in effect traitors to the people of the US and its Constitutional framework.
Agendas seeking high oil price help both the likes of BP and Russia. “Further devastating” the economies of Europe might appeal to rogue elements of the US related power structure, but would such a strategy not likely meet some fervent opposition among other interested parties?
Failure breeds dissension and while for the ‘order out of chaos’ crowd all distant chaos is cheerful, when the chaos begins to bite them in the ass they will adopt a less abstract and smug philosophy. While it doesn’t hurt the cause of international sanity that the world wakes up, the great threat to those who are mucking about with ambitions of Empire is that the US population also wakes up.
@Anonymous:I ve noticed that your blog was cited in Russia Today.
Do you recall by whom? What show? Do you have a URL?
Thanks!
The Saker
I agree it *might* be mostly a symbolic gesture, just as the initial request for authorization was mostly to show that he meant business.
If Kiev were to start the atrocities again, I suppose Putin could get his “authorization” back in a matter of hours (assuming he needed it).
It does give some additional alternatives. If needed, they could recognize the independent or special status of the Donbass and request specific permission to send troops to it (but not to Ukraine) at the request of the local authorities.
If Kiev resumes its terror campaign, we will know soon enough what Putin’s gesture means. I also wonder if Poroshenko is in full control of all the crazy forces running loose around the country (Right Sector, Svoboda, foreign mercs working for the oligarc…). It’s really a mess and far from over.
Wow! Just WOW! To the Russians on this site I say your guy is totally impressive. This is a fuking gutsy move. It plugs SO MANY holes and lays down another marker for all the world to see. Anyone check the price of Gaz today? Yea. Thought so. Putin makes everyone else look like amateurs. The entire Russian diplomatic corps is impressive if for no other reason than they resist slapping those DOS bitches. For Chrissakes America — when are we going to wake-up.
News FLASHES:
https://twitter.com/A_J_S_B
It’s official and final formal act done: Donetsk & Luhansk Republics form now the Novorossyia Confederation.
pepe Escobar has linked to your blog via RT
B-52s sing ‘pivot to Asia’ song — RT Op-Edge
News FLASHES:
https://twitter.com/A_J_S_B
It’s official and final formal act done: Donetsk & Luhansk Republics form now the Novorossyia Confederation.
@Serendipity:
Given that the information war is a major component of the overall war (between US/AZE/NATO and Russia), can this component only be conducted by Russia and Russian-speakers? Or is there some way that non-Russian-speakers outside of Russia and the Donbass can contribute (even at the risk of being prosecuted)?
There’s an English-language information war raging on Twitter, and in the comments section of every online MSM and “alternative” (yeah right) media outlet where stories on Ukraine are being run. Please join!
Come armed with facts, links, sense of humor, and flame-retardant virtual clothing – seriously, you will meet an almost insurmountable wall of hate, rage and derision in many places.
Every voice on our side counts.
>> concerning point 5 (Ukie losses): not only did I get plenty of unverifiable reports that the Ukrainian losses were truly huge, but there are confirmed reports of entire Ukie border guard units fleeing to Russia to seek refuge and 400 soldiers of the Ukrainian Airborne Troops collectively resigning. As for Slaviansk, to the utter amazement of Strelkov who had expected a final assault, the Ukies withdrew. Strange no?
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Exceedingly so – the attacking forces had a collective psychotic vision of the Grim Reaper advancing on them, perhaps? Clearly some hitherto unknown factor has been put into play. It may not be possible to ever find out whether a weapons system was involved. However, “plenty of unverifiable reports” suggests there should be some evidence somewhere – one can’t bury “huge” losses in the space of a day or two.
On that $9bn French “fine”: does the USSA consider it productive or unproductive? ;-)
During war knowns become unknown and unknowns are known but it’s not known until it’s over you know.
I would be interested to know if the English Speaking Mercs are still encamped in their separate but unequal quarters? If they have already decamped and flown away, then it signals the robber barons have indeed figured out Ukraine has nothing worth stealing and no longer care about Novorossia.
CDN says:
What is curious is that the IMF loans were contingent on Ukraine maintaining is full territorial integrity.
The first tranche was advanced. Further funds may be in doubt.
I suspect the Ukies have come to the realization that they presently lack an effective combat force. The conscripts have no pay and no food. They do not want to fire on their fellow citizens. They have clearly demonstrated an inclination to resign rather than engage in combat.
If the NDF recent engagements have caused the reported damage then Kiev must have come to the realization that military force is not a viable option.
Or, Kiev has come to a decision to cease military activity and engage in talks while it rearms and re-equips with foreign mercs and troops borrowed from the Baltic states such as Poland.
Cheers!
All Russia has to do is run out the clock, and keep Novorussiya in play.
As the famous series says, “Winter is Coming”. If there are heating problem, people will look for those to blame.
Then there is the Austerity that is coming for Ukraine, a country whose GDP per head is close to Sri Lanka’s.
This is why it is Key, KEY, for Russia to start explaining now with a propaganda campaign in Europe – nevermind the US, start with Europe – so they can be ahead of the curve if the crisis lasts until Fall/Winter.
Dear Saker,
Just wanted to thank you for all you are doing.
It Helps A Lot!!
Like today when I have read the news (btw, titled “Putin canceled forces threat” or so on MSN, but of course i read the news form Russian sources) i got an understanding that Vladimir Vladimirovich is spoiling Uncle’s Sam game again at least (i tried to imagine faces in Washington after such news), on one hand, and on another hand, he is confident that Russia protects its interests with such move.
So, i am opening your blog and getting my confusions cleared up.
Thank you a lot!
I personally think such move was counted long ago by Putin’s team. They are very good chess players:-)
Thank you very much again.
If Russia recognises Novorossiya and militarily aid the region, the Kiev junta will have the perfect excuse to ask for NATO’s presence in the rest of Ukraine. It will be a checkmate for Russia.
@Brat June-24, 20:18
ROFL!!!! LOL!!!! ROFL^2, …..
Oh! We’re sooo scared!!! Yah I’m sure Russians strategists are so stupid as to believe your absurd fantasy that NATO would risk having their bluff called and put the control of their entire alliance into the hands of a gang of illiterate morons consisting Tymoshenko, Kolonmoistky (ever ready bend over for his new husband, Joe Biden), Yarosh and the stereotypical comic book thug (right out of central casting) – tyagnibok (aka donkeyhead).
Oh! Nooo! mommy! If Russia recognizes Novorossiya, NATO might enter Western Ukraine and possibly fart in our general direction! CHECKMATE!!!
Oh! the horror! We’re so scared of a group of NATO surrender monkeys that just got their asses handed to them by a bunch of medieval Afghans ( whose only sponsor was a bankrupt disfunctional anarchy called Pakistan)! Wow! NATO can really checkmate us!
Oh what are we Russians to do!? I guess we’d better cower under our beds since our only military accomplishment was: ……
To DEFEAT THE ENTIRE WEHRMACHT!
Dear Saker, your blog is a blessing for a lot of people and i am sure more are coming and just because you asked for it, if you go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsU3g20vhMI at about 7.20 your blog is mentioned, it was already posted before on your blog i don’t remember by whom. Keep up the good work.
Could be wrong, but I believe the blog was cited on RT in the most recent Truthseeker, about the Gladio Nazi regime.
@know the truth
It is a French bank BNP that is fined, not the French state.
How does the US get to do this? BNP allegedly used dollar accounts in the US to execute some of its transactions with Sudan and Iran. Anyone using US accounts for that violates the US banking regs that prohibit certain trades with Sudan and Iran.
Not saying the bank should be held liable or that the banking regs/sanctions are just, but that’s the legal background.
novorossian war
how russia won world war 4 without firing a shot, saved the us and europe and forged an alliance for world peace and the future of humanity on planet earth and in outer space . . .
america needs to take what is left that is good: native american culture, black culture, rock & roll, the declaration of independence, and move on.
– from nazi occupied amerika
Dear The Saker,
I think what Putin has done is take the wind out the sails of “Russia is the aggressor” storyline.
Chocie boy and co. will now expose themselves – they already have in Slavyansk and the anti-kiev’s took a plane out in reply. There has been no cease fire and Russia revoking an earlier decision means that Choice, Banderastan etc. will now have to justify themselves.
Also South Stream is going ahead despite the interferance of US and Putin made a little dig in regard to this today.
In addition if you listen to Putin’s Q&A in Austria today he says quite a lot ;)…..
Rgds,
Veritas
This one excellent analysis by Saker. I thought he was being too emotional in his ‘feeling’ that Putin was ready to overtly send in his army. It was easy to be so pessimistic given Poroshenko’s words. I never thought it realistic to attribute Poro’s words to the overlords in Washington. Everything he has said since his election can be understood as efforts to prevent the Right Sector from directly rebelling against his rule even if he wants to settle the insurrection in the Donbas through negotiation and compromise. This applies to his ceasefire offer. It was obviously unacceptable on its face, but Putin’s ‘clarification’ of what a real ceasefire offer would entail and then accepting it might make it possible for Poro to move on to serious negotiations.
In fact this remains one of the biggest known unknowns: Can Poroshenko defy the Right Sector thugs without having them turn on him with their armed militias? So far it seems that Klitshko has still failed to clean up tent city in the Kiev maidan. Perhaps they might be pacified if he offers them the Lvov oblast in some federalization plan.
There are too many ways that this can go south very fast.
Gayle said:
There’s an English-language information war raging on Twitter, and in the comments section of every online MSM and ‘alternative’ (yeah right) media outlet where stories on Ukraine are being run. Please join! Come armed with facts, links, sense of humor, and flame-retardant virtual clothing – seriously, you will meet an almost insurmountable wall of hate, rage and derision in many places. Every voice on our side counts.
I’m not a fan of Twitter or the comments sections in the MSM, since I suspect that most of the participants are just voicing opinions and few of them are prepared to learn anything from what anyone else says, and I suspect tweeting has even less effect than writing to one’s congresscritter or MP.
The more important ‘information war’ IMO is what is directed toward people who have not adopted an entrenched position and although they may have a current view are amenable to changing it as a result of exposure to information or argument, that is to say, people who actually want to understand and know the truth about things (maybe not many). It is these people who could (maybe) have some influence on policy-makers, as well as on their friends, who can in turn influence their friends. RT and The Saker’s blog are IMO the most effective agents in this (properly so-called) information war (at least, in the Anglophone world), and there are some other good blogs and websites to be found by those who care to look for them. (Honorable mention to Pepe Escobar.) We need more like them.
But I agree with what someone else said here, that probably it will only be when people start to get hungry, cold or seriously inconvenienced that they will start to wonder what has led to that, and then maybe they’ll start to think about what’s really been going on, a bit late though.
Dear Saker,
You said in the above article: “Second, to understand what just has happened we need to look at it not only from a Russian, Novorussian or Ukie point of view, but also from the point of view of Uncle Sam.” However, even more important than the view of Uncle Sam is the view of the Western Cartel, by which I mean a shadowy collusion of the New World Order, the “AngloZionist Empire”, the EU, UN, NATO, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, and the American and European aristocracies. The US administration is largely a puppet of this cartel.
With this in mind, I would add a twelfth goal of the Western Cartel: to insure that the large-scale fracking contracts, which are owned by the Rothschilds and scheduled to be implemented by Shell Oil and Chevron, be fulfilled without fail in Donetsk Oblast. This may have been one of their primary reasons for overthrowing the Ukraine government in the first place.
“Your ‘great-Russia’ ideology is a fraud. The folks in the Kremlin would sign a pact with the devil to maintain their hold on power.”
Say it ain’t so. Well, thank goodness they were democratically elected and won’t have to resort to such desperate measures. Your comment begs the following questions: Do you have some information that they are about to lose power and need to strike a faustian bargain? Are you now or have you ever been in touch with…SATAN??!!
Since America is constantly flexing its diminishing dollar muscle, to beat any opponents into submission, why can’t Russia do the same to those crazed zionazi lunatics such as Kolomoisky?!…Cut his ability to steal and the snake will bite itself; sabotage his banking empire and other businesses, is all that needs to be done. Greed is very predictable, let him walk into his own cage by gently guiding this thievery zombie.
Also, Russia and Novorossyia would do very well by making any form of oligarchy illegal. Lets face it, a billionaire is by very definition implies a very high degree of dishonesty. I’m not against capitalism that involves innovation for the benefits of humanity; somebody like Tesla should’ve being a billionaire, instead he died totally penniless. I’m against the wall street style of capitalism, that is only capable of looting. This war in Ukraine is only possible because all these greed obsessed, parasitic oligarchs are ready to do whatever it takes in order to keep looting more and more. When the oligarchs are crashed all their neonazi children will forget what poisoned them in the first place and will disappear into some distant memories of historic articles.
I do believe that Putin’s team is top notch in every possible way. They will win because of their inherent and acquired wisdom and because they don’t appear to have anything in common with the white house psychopaths that are only good at creating havoc and destruction.
@Saker, thank you for your blog!
In addition to all that has been said, Russia must use this opportunity to send in humanitarian aid to the people of the region, spare no expense, because war is more expensive, and those people just endured one for Russia.
Start organizing another election in Donbas. Put the date just before things start getting cold, so that the gas has more leverage.
Start a “Radio Free Ukraine” or similar outfit which will give the opposition a chance to have their voices heard in the one-party-state of the Ukraine. Every flub and failure of Kiev needs to go prime time.
MOSCOW, June 21 (Xinhua) — Russian Investigative Committee announced Saturday it had issued an international arrest warrant for two Ukrainian officials who were accused of having used heavy weapons in military operations in eastern Ukraine, causing deaths and injuries of many civilians and plenty of refugees.
The two Ukrainian officials were identified as Interior Minister Arsen Avakov and Dnepropetrovsk Region Governor Igor Kolomoisky. In addition to the alleged use of forbidden weapons, the two were also charged with accelerating cases of murders and kidnappings, as well as the deteriorating security situation of journalists working in Ukraine.
A resolution has been passed to put the two officials on an international wanted list via Interpol, which will be effective on the territories of all Interpol member states, according to Vladimir Markin, the spokesman of the Russian Investigative Committee.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2014-06/22/c_126653104.htm
I would also like to add that the Kiev puppet regime was a failure in its two assignments:
1: Draw Russia into an open war
2: Defeat the separatist movement
The lines of the cease will become psychologically more permanent as the time goes on. Flags everywhere!
The people of Donbas are still standing and they need to bury their dead, grieve and they need as much support as we can give them. They stood up to the New World Order and won.
@ Theodore Svedberg 24 June, 2014 20:46
et al.
> In fact this remains one of the biggest known unknowns: Can Poroshenko defy the Right Sector thugs without having them turn on him with their armed militias?
I do not understand you and others having doubts on this issue.
First Kiev armed those men, legalized them (NatGuard) and now it could disarmed them?
Are you so naive? I have doubts if Ukrainian Army would be able to do that. Too ultra-nationalistic shit permeate all the units.
Only external forces could be applied to the task. I’m sorry guys, but bloodshed is unavoidable. The only remaining questions are why to clean the shit must be done with foreign hands and why the units were disbanded when they were weak, in statu nascendi?
Credibility of the following is unknown…
http://www.rense.com/general96/natokillers.html
NATO KILLERS READYING TO CLEANSE
RUSSIANS IN UKRAINE ?
Novorus.info
Translation by Piotr Bein
6-24-14
Washington knows that time is on Russia’s side. So in 2-3 days a false flag is planned that would radically change the Ukrainian crisis and force Russia to invade.
Poroshenko was instructed to increase pro-peace rhetoric, while Russian-speaking mercenaries of the private form Academi deployed to Hungary (cities Debrechen and Mishkolc) are combat ready. Since June 20, the highest acrtivity is observed in Mishkolc: arms and equipemt are loaded onto military and civilian trucks. At any moment there are 60 to 80 trucks being loaded. A railway train is also being loaded. All this to transfer some 10 thousand well-equipped soldiers, not counting their command and support troops, to S.E. Ukraine. They were issued Ukrainian uniforms (possibly Russian, too).
My sources received the text of instructions for Academi personnel: start a large-scale ethnic cleansing of Russian-speakers in Ukraine. Details below. I don’t lightly use terms like fascist, genocide and ethnic cleansing.
In order to sow doubts and cause disorientation, the campaign will start with brainwashing Europeans that mass murders are being committed by separatists with Russia’s support.
The operation is planned so that Western media, not being well-versed in Ukrainian events from the beginning, would not understand who kills whom. In turn, Russian reporters would be impressed that Ukrainian forces do the killing. Vigorous military draft in W. Ukraine serves to camouflage the planned false flag.
I repeat: the goal is to cause a wave of outrage in Russia at “Ukrainian crimes”, forcing Moscow to invade. Then, it would be announced that Russia has provoked the events to justify invasion.
Intensity and duration of the carnage should assure such an outrage among Russians that any appeal for int’l org’s to send investigators to S.E. Ukraine would be taken as Kremlin’s weakness if not treason. Majority of Academi mercenaries speak Russian in varying degree of fluency. Practically there is no time left. Actions:
1. On the routes of trucks and trains carrying mercenaries from Debrechen and Mishkolc to Donetsk and Lugansk, people must take and disseminate pictures and videos, starting right away.
2. If collection of evidence does not suffice to stop the US genocidal operation against Russian-speakers in Ukraine, then Donetsk and Lugansk republics’ self-defence must be persuaded to leave their posts and re-deploy to protect civilians.
All institutions for children, elderly and sick as well as women unable to bear arms, but particularly hospitals and clinics — must be evacuated despite the complications involved. The mercenary instructions emphasize seizure of hospitals and killing of all patients.
Should assembly of evidence for an int’l tribunal fail, it would be very difficult to prevent a tragedy. Donetsk nor Lugansk republics don’t have sufficient manpower to stop the onslaught of 10 thousand well-trained and -armed thugs with combat experience. The thugs would not target road-blocks and other insurgent posts, but civilians at large, and the most defenseless ones, too.
I will keep contact with my sources and will pass on any new info as it comes.
Unless omniscience or death is present no judgement is ever final.
The process of discovery is not limited to Ukraine.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184422.html
@ beejayge
Your information seems to be consistent with the not so well known fact, that one of the CIA agencies was adopting Russian kids since late 80s, with the help of some fake-imposter-families in order to use these kids in the future as mercenaries and agents in the Russian speaking territories. It seems like this future has arrived.
@Saker
Watch this Truthseeker episode from 7min 20sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsU3g20vhMI
They ve used info from your blog to compare Banderist Kiev regime with Hitler’s Reich.
Andrew,
Five-ten years from now Russia is ready for a big conflict, but not today. In 1939, neither Germany , the UK nor France was ready. As for the UK, it had to rely heavily on US assistance until 1945 and Germany had to desperately expand war production until the same year. I don’t know about the Sovjetunion.
My point is that a trap was set for Russia and Moscow knows it. A similar trap was set for Japan. It was cut off from oil imports and that forced the war against the US, it has been said. Somebody on the net says the US only used ten percent of its military capacity against Japan, which also was forced into war when it was not ready. Somebody elses opinion, not mine. I am no military expert, so it would be good to hear from the Saker and some more informed commentators on this matter.
Setting the Russian trap was counterproductive, as so many other things done by Western masters. Russians are best at defence. Always have been. Moscow will take a look at every vulnerable part of the economy. Computer chips, card systems, military equipment and much more. I predict the country will be truly independent in the near future and that is exactly what the US has tried to prevent. There is an irrational element in US policies. I have seen it for many years, also in the Middle East. Can’t explain it. A long list of wars that did not go well.
NATO:s first attack war was against Yugoslavia in 1999. The result? Vladimir Vladimirovich came to power and that changed everything. A good example of a counterproductive move.
I can’t site a source, but a German military analyst once said that a certain battle victory in WW1 had disastrous consequences. When I see Western so called victories, I am reminded of his words.
Germany sent _33_ divisions, a very strong force, to “pacify” Serbia, when Mussolini was unable to accomplish the task. The result? The planned summer war against the Sovjetunion turned into a winter war. German soldiers were sent east in summer uniforms. A counterproductive “victory”. Kosovo, the Jerusalem of the Serbs, may, like the Boer war for the British Empire, be the moral turning point for the US. Counterproductive.
It is interesting to watch Serbia, this small country that lost more than 20 percent of its population in WW1, according to a friend of mine. True? Please tell me. Anyway, a Serb on the net claims that tha Serbian army got an open way to Vienna [Wien] at the end of the war. You can imagine what the angry Serbian soldiers had done if they had reached Vienna. It is said that Bismark, I think it was, told the Kaiser that “all is lost”, when he heard the news. The war ended. Since I am not knowledgable in this field, I can only repeat what others have said. However, I can well believe that little Serbia already three times has changed world history. Not because it is/was a world power, but because spiritual forces are at work. Having the big guns does not help you, if Heaven is against you.
Something for the people of Novorossiya to think about.
There is only one short term danger to Putin’s plans.
The coming artillery and armored advance that is being moved into place. This Plan B is the final offensive. A paroxysm of hate and murder, sponsored by the Hegemon, egged on by the Neo-Nazis of Europe and applauded by the Russo- and Putin-haters.
Anti-tank weapons have to be in place quickly or real fast ethnic cleansing with the drugged goons from prisons and the Right Sector will kill thousands and force Putin to move troops into the conflict.
If he can abate that threat which is what the ceasefire and political talks with all sorts of soft Europeans is presently about. If this diplomacy can work to loosen resolve of Kiev, or if he has some hidden cards on the Kiev leadership, certain Generals who don’t want to face criminal charges, then the game is over for Kiev in the field.
Putin appears to be sending plenty of arms, more volunteers, shrewd FSB handlers for Novorossiya to survive.
He then has a permanent wedge (Novorossiya) against Kiev, the EU and the US ghouls of death and destruction.
Many more will die before it ends. But Ukraine will be hollowed as a nation.
Eventually, Poland might take a liking to some of West Ukraine and weaken the skeleton some more. That will be where NATO bases, in an expanded Poland. Too far to cancel Russia’s first strike missiles.
Plenty of buffer left of Ukraine and of course, as I have insisted for weeks in most of my posts, Odessa will go to Russia. It certainly will not go to NATO or anyone other than Russia.
Ukraine, strangely, will look the way Iraq looks today. Impossible to reweave into a nation and probably impossible to even confederate into an economic unit.
Ukraine actually is on a death watch. It has to reverse policy, beg forgiveness, and go neutral or it is dead. 30 million or more of the 42 million people left to beg subsistence.
A concise summary of Putin’s position. The writer correctly views the war is between the US and Russia, currently on Ukraine’s soil.
“Putin is smart. You don’t go to war if you don’t have to. Wars are messy and unpredictable. You sell people armaments and let them do the fighting.
He is winning the informal war, easily, over the idiots in the USA, why screw it up with a hot war?
When the other side is destroying themselves why interfere?
Kill the dollar, kill Zionism, align with China, Europe will move away from the USA, let the USA fight their second civil war. Mission accomplished.”
I have nothing new to add but I was moved to state how very much I agree with the two prior comments of “the pessimist.” Putin remains a master on the international stage as well as a decent human being whose almost every word states how things are and what Russia’s current position and concerns are. Putin has steadfastly pursued Russian independence from the US hegemon and his current actions must be interpreted in terms of that goal even if not all the particulars that inform his decision are available to us.
As Saker and others have noted, Poroschenko’s “cease fire” is nothing but an vicious ultimatum from the mouth of the hegemon, as at Rambouillet: Meet all our demands and put yourself at our mercy, and then there will be “peace.” Poroschenko’s promise of amnesty except for those who committed “serious crimes” probably means that all who took up arms will be executed in the service of peace. By contrast, Putin has insisted that there be discussions with the rebels, that the rebels are legitimate actors, that their views and needs must be respected, recognized, and dealt with. I am only sad to say that eventually these recommendations will have to be backed up by military might with all the losses for Russia that entails unless, as is to be hoped, Europe can separate itself from the embrace of the USA and make its puppet Poroschenko behave sensibly; and who is he to rein in the Right Sector and Svoboda?
“Not because it is/was a world power, but because spiritual forces are at work. Having the big guns does not help you, if Heaven is against you.”
We Serbs have a old saying :
Battle is not fought only by holy weapon, but the battle is fought and won with a hero heart…
Best regards and Saker keep going not bad analyst you are ;)
Hint:
Everything is in casus belli when it comes to justifying war.
Anon 21:58
Somebody on the net says the US only used ten percent of its military capacity against Japan
America had 140 million people and put 14 million under arms in WWII.
That was pretty much its entire practical military capacity for overseas adventures. Take out women children and elderly, and you are left with 35% of population to fight and perform economic heavy labor (farming, mining, construction, manufacturing etc.)
This is NOT an “ordinary competitive struggle”.
The US sees Russia as an existentialist threat to US hegemony around the world, and especially in Europe, since Obama wants to pivot to stop the existential threat posed by ever-increasing Chinese power.
It CANNOT justify a “full court press” in both Europe and Asia without a significant worsening of relations between Russia and the US.
The neoconservatives in the US are angry because, although the US “won” the Cold War, Russia is refusing to act like the loser.
This is seen as a betrayal of an unwritten agreement.
Doesn’t ANYONE understand what is going on?
he US is trying hard to drive a wedge between Europe and Russia. It works at the moment. In the long run, this will damage the relations between the US and Europe, not between Russia and Europe. You can trust the ecnomic self interest of European countries taking care of this, and they won’t forget what the US is trying to do either.
Until now UKUSA were making events and world reacted. Now they just catching breath
Saker:
Mark Sleboda, the RT analyst gives reference to your blog during an interviews with the Conservative America First Radio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/paulhannosh/2014/06/22/america-first-radio
He references your blog as one of the best sources of on the ground info. Starts at 33:20 into the interview.
This raw video gives an on-the-ground
picture of the lives of everyday people,
in the aftermath of the Kiev Junta
offense against innocent Ukranian
civilians in the East Ukraine town of
Slavyansk (a.k.a. Sloviansk).
This is a side of the story, which you
will never see in the Criminal
Mainstream Media. We are witnessing
war crimes, in this video, being
committed by the US/NATO-backed
Poroshenko regime, recently installed,
using some 7 billion dollars paid by both
NATO and the US, courtesy of the
Taxpayers of the States involved.
Is this how you want to see your Tax
money spent? Look at these defenseless
civilians! How would you like this to
happen in your own hometown, for
reasons that don’t involve you, at all.
After Poroshenko’s inauguration, the
intensity of the Slavyansk shelling by the
Ukrainian army has significantly increased.
Day and night. This town is getting hit by
up to five different wings of artillery
batteries. More often than not, the victims
are civilians.
(Video: 12 and a half minutes):
Slavyansk: Victims of Undeclared War
http://www.ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com/page/26484.html
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Here’s a story from Russian RT. (autotranslated)
… In the program “Freedom of Speech” on Ukrainian ICTV channel commander of the 24th battalion “Idar” Sergei Melnychuk suggested that the Ministry of Defence, responsible for the so-called anti-terrorist operation in the east of Ukraine , there are traitors, as evidenced awareness militias on all steps ATU leadership.
“I am sure that the manual is a betrayal of the ATU. Because the prisoners, which we capture, they laugh at us and tell us that “we know each fly your plane, each fly your helicopter, we know all your instructions.” “When are bombing or other events, we just go away from the position, and then come back” – said Melnychuk.
June 18 militiamen in combat almost completely destroyed the Ukrainian battalion “Idar”, which was heading from Happiness in Lugansk . …
Оригинал статьи: http://russian.rt.com/article/37885
There is a short clip of his TV talk.
Brian
In my opinion the nation state is a game token played by multinational forces. In this scenario the players are backed by non-national players who have objectives which may align with national players and may not. ISIS is an example. From my observation the global players out of London wish for internationalism by way of nation states weakening each other by war. Putin too is trsnsnationalist because the economic world is also. The question appears to be profits. Shall profits from resources flow to political players aligned with the USA or will the profits flow to those who are not. The curious thing is this objective of profit. Technology is retsrded for profit. Nations are broken for profit. Lenin and Trotsky were put into action for profit. Barack Obama also
I think everyone here is ignoring a possibility: the Kremlin seriously wants to put a lid on the Ukrainian troubles. (i.e., just punish the gross offenders and forget the rest to restore _status quo ante_.)
An independent or part-of-Russia Novorossia would simultaneous mean an anti-Russian Ukie-land. From the Russian point of view this is just an expansion of Poland (and even NATO?) to Russian borders. Unlike the Western warmongers, the Kremlin probably wants to avoid wars.
Note that the unstable Ukraine was disturbed not by Russia but by the US. Perhaps the Russian leaders do not think of themselves as “great leaders sent to earth to settle historic conflicts”?
Anonymous 21:41
Please tell me more about “one of the CIA agencies was adopting Russian kids since late 80s, with the help of some fake-imposter-families in order to use these kids in the future as mercenaries and agents in the Russian speaking territories”. Do you know this for a fact? How?
Brian_J
Traitors? Tell me it isn’t so. ;~) Tee hee
This is the most comprehensive article I’ve found about the peace consultations in Donetsk.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_23/Truce-in-Ukraine-until-June-27-parties-to-cease-fire-0151/
Donetsk and Kiev holds informal consultations, not negotiations – PM of Donetsk People’s Republic
Donetsk held informal preliminary consultations, there was no talk about any negotiations, reports Borodai to Itar-Tass. “There cannot be any negotiations for two reasons: first of all, a full negotiation process as such is possible only after Kiev fulfills seven conditions that were presented on Monday by the co-chairman of Novorossia, Oleg Tsarev.
“These conditions are our common position,” said Borodai. “The second reason is that people that arrived to Donetsk today lack any formal state power and status”. Thus, Kiev is represented with the request from Poroshenko by ex-President Leonid Kuchma.
“We can only talk about the informal preliminary consultations,” continued the head of the DPR, noting that “at least the Government of DPR began some kind of dialogue with Kiev that for a few months preferred to speak the language of heavy artillery”.
Borodai also said that the continuation of the discussion on any agreements, even at the informal level, is possible only after the complete cease-fire by the Ukrainian side, as well as the complete cessation of movement of forces and the army of Ukraine, who is threatening people’s militia forces Donbass.
Tsarev previously published a number of requirements to the Kiev authorities only after fulfillment of which they may begin official “substantive negotiations”. Among them: the withdrawal from the territory of proclaimed DNR and LNR units of Ukrainian security services, compensation payments to victims of the conflict, negotiations between the President of Ukraine and the parliaments of people’s republics of the constitutional act, which determines their status, amnesty militias and political prisoners.
Ceasefire in eastern Ukraine will be in force until June 27, the self-defenders are to stop the fire, said the Prime Minster of DNR Alexander Borodai in Donetsk, during the negotiations on the settlement of the conflict in the south-eastern Ukraine with the participation of Moscow, Kiev and the OSCE representatives of and the people’s republics, reports RIA Novosti. “We held consultations concerning the ceasefire”.
“The result of our consultations was the following: we are to a cease fire and not to conduct any military operations in response to similar commitment of Kiev,” – he said.” “The duration of the ceasefire is the same, which has been declared by Kiev officials – till, if I’m not mistaken, 10 am of June 27, “- said Borodai. He expressed hope that “within this period Russia will organize the control regime and OSCE will ensure the compliance of that regime”.
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This is the most comprehenisve article I’ve found on the peace consultations in Donetsk.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_23/Truce-in-Ukraine-until-June-27-parties-to-cease-fire-0151/
Donetsk and Kiev holds informal consultations, not negotiations – PM of Donetsk People’s Republic
Donetsk held informal preliminary consultations, there was no talk about any negotiations, reports Borodai to Itar-Tass. “There cannot be any negotiations for two reasons: first of all, a full negotiation process as such is possible only after Kiev fulfills seven conditions that were presented on Monday by the co-chairman of Novorossia, Oleg Tsarev.
“These conditions are our common position,” said Borodai. “The second reason is that people that arrived to Donetsk today lack any formal state power and status”. Thus, Kiev is represented with the request from Poroshenko by ex-President Leonid Kuchma.
“We can only talk about the informal preliminary consultations,” continued the head of the DPR, noting that “at least the Government of DPR began some kind of dialogue with Kiev that for a few months preferred to speak the language of heavy artillery”.
Borodai also said that the continuation of the discussion on any agreements, even at the informal level, is possible only after the complete cease-fire by the Ukrainian side, as well as the complete cessation of movement of forces and the army of Ukraine, who is threatening people’s militia forces Donbass.
Tsarev previously published a number of requirements to the Kiev authorities only after fulfillment of which they may begin official “substantive negotiations”. Among them: the withdrawal from the territory of proclaimed DNR and LNR units of Ukrainian security services, compensation payments to victims of the conflict, negotiations between the President of Ukraine and the parliaments of people’s republics of the constitutional act, which determines their status, amnesty militias and political prisoners.
Ceasefire in eastern Ukraine will be in force until June 27, the self-defenders are to stop the fire, said the Prime Minster of DNR Alexander Borodai in Donetsk, during the negotiations on the settlement of the conflict in the south-eastern Ukraine with the participation of Moscow, Kiev and the OSCE representatives of and the people’s republics, reports RIA Novosti. “We held consultations concerning the ceasefire”.
“The result of our consultations was the following: we are to a cease fire and not to conduct any military operations in response to similar commitment of Kiev,” – he said.” “The duration of the ceasefire is the same, which has been declared by Kiev officials – till, if I’m not mistaken, 10 am of June 27, “- said Borodai. He expressed hope that “within this period Russia will organize the control regime and OSCE will ensure the compliance of that regime”.
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According to the Prime Minister of DNR, in case of ceasefire “we can agree and go, at least to begin consultations on the negotiations for a peaceful settlement of the conflict.”
According to him, the representatives of self-defense hope to “preserve the status quo in the movement and locating of all kinds of military units till June 27”.
“We expect that in the nearest future the position of representatives of Donetsk and Lugansk will be further developed, and they will told us about their readiness to continue consultations to solve two problems – achieving a durable truce, non-renewal of the fire, and the second – to launch an inclusive negotiation process,” – said Russian ambassador to Kiev Zurabov in the end of the consultations.
According to the leader of the “South-East movement”, Oleg Tsarev, “today we have achieved a breakthrough,” and further negotiations will continue.
“We offered the representatives of Ukraine to host the next talks in Slavyansk”, – said the Tsarev. “I am pleased that such consultations took place. Nobody’s intention was to allow a huge range of issues, which stands today … I want to thank everyone that solved one of the most important issues – to cease hostilities from both sides. If both parties will follow that, then, God forbid, normal peace process will start … gradually we will solve all the problems, “- said ex-President Leonid Kuchma in his turn.
Representatives of Ukraine, the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and Russia began multilateral talks at the Donetsk regional state administration on Monday.
The talks involved Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov, representative for the OSCE (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe) chairman-in-office Tagliavini, Ukraine’s second president Kuchma, Ukrainian Choice movement leader Medvedchuk, DPR Prime Minister Borodai, South-East movement leader Tsaryov and representatives of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic.
Other articles on peace consultations.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1633814.html&usg=ALkJrhg5Gjr4a3H3TynyUrqIofOD_WkstQ#cutid1
Gubarev said talks with representatives of Donetsk fascist junta, which involved Boroday.
On the issue of these notorious negotiations. I do not understand and do not intend to participate in the negotiations under the thunder of artillery Slovyansk. Called up in the morning with Motorola, but against the background heard explosions from mortar fire.
My position is the same:
1. Withdraw ukropovskih troops.
2. Recognition ukrami DNR and LC.
3. Negotiations on the division of the former Ukrainian peacefully.
And two additional. conditions:
1. Kolomojsky Avakov and Ljashko voluntarily surrender to the militia and we will send them to The Hague.
2. Akhmetov people voluntarily transfers its property and collect belongings.
I repeat, I’m not kidding.
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http://en.itar-tass.com/world/737453
Informal consultations held in Donetsk, no talks considered – Donetsk leader
World June 23, 22:49 UTC+4
Further discussions, even in the format of informal consultations, could be possible only if Kiev ceased fire
DONETSK, June 23, 22:23 /ITAR-TASS/. Informal preliminary consultations were held in Donetsk on Monday, June 23, but no talks are being considered, Alexander Borodai, the prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, said.
“There is no question of talks for two reasons: full-fledged negotiations as such can be possible only after Kiev has met seven conditions put forth by Oleg Tsarev, co-chair of the Novorossiya [New Russia] People’s Front. These conditions are our common position. The second reason is that the officials who came to Donetsk today had no official powers and status,” he said.
Kiev was represented by former President Leonid Kuchma.
At the same time, Borodai said “at least some dialogue has been started by Kiev which for several months preferred to speak in the language of heavy artillery”.
He said further discussions, even in the format of informal consultations, could be possible only if Kiev ceased fire and stopped the redeployment of its army and National Guard which threaten the Donbass militia.
Tsarev’s conditions include withdrawal of the Ukrainian troops from the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, payment by Kiev of compensation to the people affected by the conflict, coordination by the Ukrainian president and the republics’ parliaments of a constitutional act that would determine their status, and amnesty for the militiamen and political prisoners.
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The whole thing is a huge fail for Ukraine Junta Government as they were forced to admit the existence of DNR and LC and meet with their self-appointed representatives, and do so without US representatives formally present.
Putin is playing divide and conquer successfully. He is also looking at the big picture of developing the arctic, building a strong civil society in Russia, and preserving a culture that impacts and contributes to the good of humanity. To compare him to Stalin is laughable and ahistorical as well. ( a young analytical Lenin, maybe) The US is seen as inept and feckless in the mid East . Remember, in 18 months the circus of the US Presidential elections will be watched with horror by every intelligent person on the planet. Bullying only gets you so far when no one respects, likes or trusts you.
A watershed moment indeed. Usually a watershed is when the water turns to flow a different direction, or to a different place.
Perhaps Putin is freeing up resources to deal with the following… (from http://rt.com/op-edge/168064-isis-terrorism-usa-cia-war/):
“The next bizarre part of the ISIS puzzle involves the Jihadist credited with being the ‘military mastermind’ of the recent ISIS victories, Tarkhan Batirashvili. If his name doesn’t sound very Arabic, it’s because it’s not. Tarkhan Batrashvili is a Russian – actually an ethnic Chechen from near the Chechen border to Georgia. But to give himself a more Arabic flair, he also goes by the name Emir (what else?) Umar al Shishani. The problem is he doesn’t look at all Arabic. No dark swarthy black beard: rather a long red beard, a kind of Chechen Barbarossa.
According to a November, 2013 report in The Wall Street Journal, Emir Umar or Batrashvili as you prefer, has made the wars in Syria and Iraq “into a geopolitical struggle between the US and Russia.”
…More than 8,000 foreign Jihadist mercenaries are reportedly in ISIS including at least 1,000 Chechens as well as Jihadists Saudi, Kuwait, Egypt and reportedly Chinese Uyghur from Xinjiang Province.
Seems like Bandar Bush’s declaration of ‘revenge’ on Russia for not cooperating on Syria had more bite than bark. The empire seems to be openly setting up a base to destabilize Russia’s southern flank, as well as target area pipelines (including the proposed south Stream) while sitting on the world’s largest (readily available) energy reserves.
For the future of Russia, this IMHO is more important than ANY problems that could come out of Ukraine.
RT should hire The Saker.
The ever dependable BBC –
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/globalnews/globalnews_20140624-2242a.mp3
Why the Ukrainian “truce” is under threat.