Introduction: the broader background to the Ukrainian crisis
Before looking at the latest developments in the Ukraine, I think that it is important to at least mention two major developments involving Russia. First, Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus have signed the Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) and they will soon be joined by Armenia and Kyrgyzstan. Second, China has officially called for a new security alliance with Russia and Iran thereby proving that all the naysayers who said that China did not really mean it to form an alliance with Russia were plain wrong. As I mentioned it in a previous SITREP the scope and nature of the recent economic agreements between Russia and China already constituted what I called a crypto-alliance and now we see the first official move by China to drop the ‘crypto’ part of it. Again, this is truly a major tectonic shift in world politics and, arguable, the creation of the most powerful coalition of countries in history. The title of Godfather of this new coalition should really go to the USA and Barak Obama who by his amazingly arrogant and hostile policies towards both China and Russia has greatly contributed to the forging of this alliance.
This process is far from over, by the way. Not only are there discussions to expand the BRICS to other countries (like Argentina), the SCO or CSTO could also be expanded to include countries such as Iran or Pakistan. AS for the Eurasian Economic Union, it will eventually morph into a single political entity, a Eurasian alliance which could include China in economic and/or security agreements.
Lukashenko, Nazarbaev and Putin sign the EEU |
The entire Eurasian landmass is slowly but inexorably becoming integrated into a zone free from AngloZionist control and free of the dollar. The writing is on the wall for the AngloZionist Empire.
Latest developments in the Ukraine
The Ukrainian offensive has seen yet another dramatic escalation with, for the first time, the use of “Grad” multiple rocket launchers on the city of Slaviansk. At least one Ukrainian helicopter, reportedly carrying a general and 12 other people, has been shot down by the Novorossia Defense Forces (NDF). Sporadic artillery fire, at times intensive, has been heard through the night and casualties continue to be brought into the local hospitals. Several Ukrainian units have put down their weapons and basically surrendered to the NDF. In Sebastopol special headquarters have been set up to deal with the flow of incoming refugees. In Kiev the Parliament is considering declaring martial law which would basically give unlimited power to the junta and suspend most civil rights.
There are two ways to look at these events. You could say that a lot happened, there is an escalation taking place, people on both sides die, helicopters got shot down, units are refusing to obey criminal order, etc. But you could also say that from a purely military point of view absolutely nothing happened at all. Think of it this way:
What have we seen since the junta began its terror operation in Novorossiia? Slaviansk and Kramatorsk have been besieged and shelled. The junta forces have seized the airports near Slaviansk/Kramatorsk and Donetsk. That’s it.
Now let me immediately dispel the notion that these airports are somehow strategically important. They are not. Normally, in most military conflicts, airports are very important objects, especially their runways and radars. But in this case the seizure of the Slaviansk/Kramatorsk and Donetsk airports has not been followed by any use of them by the junta, if only because there is way too much combat still taking place around them to make their use safe. Besides, what need is there for airports when everything can be reached by road anyway? What about denying the use of this airport to either the NDF or the Russians should they decide to intervene? Well, the NDF has no air assets at all, as for the Russians they sure don’t need an airport to land an Airborne Regiment, Brigade or even Division. So why did the junta decide to commit its best forces to seize these airports? Simple – because they are not cities. Or, put differently, because they are located outsides cities. The fact is that the junta simply does not have the forces needed to occupy and control any city, so this is why they go for objectives which are outside cities.
Petr Poroshenko has announced that what the junta calls the “anti-terrorist operation” should not last for weeks, but only hours. So this begs the question: if the entire mix of junta forces (military + death-squads) have not succeeded in taking either Slaviansk (hab: 130’000)or Kramatorsk (hab: 165’000), what are their chances to take Donetsk (hab: 1’000’000)? Zero, of course. And even less than zero if that is to be done in a matter of a few days and hours.
So what is the point of all this?
Is it that the political leaders and the junta are simply stupid or completely miss-informed?
No, it’s not that simple. For one thing, to speak of a “junta’s strategy” or “Poroshenko’s strategy” is plain wrong as this accepts they myth that that is an independent government in the Ukraine. There is none. Truly, all the decisions are taken by Uncle Sam and his representatives in Kiev and the so-called authorities are just the USA’s collaborators who simply take orders form their boss. And for all their sins, the folks in DC are neither stupid not poorly informed. So what is their strategy in this frankly weird civil war?
Ideally, the first objective of the AngloZionists would be to trigger a Russian military intervention in protection of Novorossiia. That would re-create the kind of Cold War tensions these folks are so nostalgic for. It would give a justification for the existence of NATO and, if played well, it could even result in NATO and Russian forces looking at each other across the Dniepr river. Not only would such a situation be a dream come true for the US military-industrial complex, it would make it possible for the USA to achieve one of its most important strategic objective: to keep Europe colonized and to prevent any chance of its integration with the East. Far from being stupid, this strategy is nothing short of brilliant as it gives Putin only two choices: if Russia does not intervene Putin will look weak, indecisive, or even like a traitor to the Russian people, but if Russia does intervene, then Putin will be called the “New Hitler” or “New Stalin”, a crazed Russian nationalist hell-bent on re-building the Soviet Union and crushing the freedom-loving Europeans under his tanks. Are these cliches? Yes, of course, but they will be used. So for Putin its “damned if you do, and damned if you don’t”.
Second option: to wear down the NDF to the point where they will eventually surrender. Not very likely, but in theory possible. Should that happen, this could be presented as a double victory for Poroshenko: he crushed the “terrorists” and he “deterred the Russian Bear”. Again, this is a lot of whishful thinking, but in theory the US might see that as a unlikely but possible outcome.
Option three: the old US strategy of “what I cannot have, I burn down”. Basically, the strategy here is to destroy and damage as much of Novorossiia as possible, making a recovery as long and costly as possible. This is also a lesson to all those who dare defy the Empire: you disobey and we will make you pay.
Russian options:
As I mentioned above, Russia really has very few options to chose from. Any direct Russian intervention in the Ukraine – which in military terms would be a no-brainer – would have huge political consequences for the future of Europe’s stability. In essence, by not intervening Russia is denying the USA the Cold War v2 it wants so badly. Should Russia intervene, and that is very possible, it would mean that the Kremlin accepts that the real price of its intervention is a long term re-submission of all of Europe to US interests.
Russia does, of course, have the option of covertly assisting the NDF and there is no doubt in my mind that it is already doing it, but this can only be done in a very careful and remote manner in order to avoid giving the US any proof of covert support. Still, advanced anti-air and anti-tank weapons are clearly shown on some videos which shows that somebody is helping the resistance.
Russia has also begun leaking information about the Ukrainian units involved in terror operations against the people of the Donbass. For example, Russian TV has announced yesterday that the following units have been involved in the bombing of the Donetsk airport: the 299 Tactical Aviation Brigade from Nikolaev (Su-25) and the 40th Aviation Brigade from Vasilkovo (MiG-29) who use the Ivan Kozhedub Air Force University of Kharkov (Mi-24; Mi-8) as a combat operations basis. Russian bloggers have also leaked the photos and names of the pilots involved.
Russian jurists have created special legal companies who take the testimony of the Ukrainians whose civil or human right have been violated by the junta to file lawsuits in Ukrainian courts. Of course, the Ukrainian courts are fully expected to reject the complaint at which point the Russian can then file their lawsuits at the European Court of Human Rights.
The good news for Russia is that there is no way that the Junta can take Donetsk or Lugansk. And even if junta forces did enter these cities they would not be able to control them. The Russian military strategists understand that very well. After all, the Russians have more urban combat experience than any army in the world: during WWII the Soviet forces liberated 1200 cities form the German Army and that experience has been studied over and over again in the Russian military academies. Furthermore, while currently only a minority of the man of combat age in the Donbass have joined the NDF, the constant shelling and terror of the junta’s assault is motivating more and more of them to join the resistance.
Time is on the side of Novorossiia and of Russia.
My own feeling is that Poroshenko will soon fold and announce some kind of “peace initiative” which would probably not involve a complete withdrawal of junta forces from Novorossiia as demanded by the local authorities, but it will include a “suspension” of combat operations. Poroshenko – who is most definitely not a dumb man – knows that he absolutely must sit down and begin negotiating with the Russian and he also knows that the Russians simply cannot negotiate with him as long as active combat operations continue. I cannot prove that, but I believe that Poroshenko himself already understands all this and that what is happening now is that he is trying to convince the US of the need to accept the facts on the ground. Right now, Poroshenko can hide behind the tiny figleaf excuse that he has not been formally inaugurated, but that pretext will vanish pretty soon (on June 7th) and I suspect that as soon following his inauguration he will announce some kind of peace initiative.
Until then, the Russians will have to wait and grind their teeth at the news of every atrocity committed by the junta’s neo-Nazi death-squads. Payback time will come, but the first priority will have to be to deny the AngloZionists the Cold War they are so desperately trying to trigger..
The Saker
PS: as a small footnote: to those of you who can read Russian and who have an Android device (smartphone or tablet) there is a new and very interesting application called Вежливые Люди available from the Google Play (aka Android Store) called . There are two versions of it, the one supported by ads:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gentle.man.news
and the one costing $1.12 which is ad-free:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gentlemen (which I urge you to chose over the other one).
Вежливые Люди provides updated information from 18 different news sources mostly focused on the events in the Eastern Ukraine. You can browse through them and get a title and a paragraph or so and then, if you click on it, it takes you to the full article. See the screenshot to the right.
This app is only in its version 1.0 but it is already very useful and well designed and I find it one of the best sources of information about what is happening in the Ukraine. I highly recommend it to you, especially the articles from the “Голос Севастополя” which is based in the Crimea provides up to date information from the resistance in the Donbass.
For English speakers my first choice would be RT News English and its excellent Android application:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rt.mobile.english
Saker,
re: the airport, is it in adequate condition to serve small passenger aircraft? Might it be under Western control as a bid to guarantee safe passage in and/or out for West-allied VIPs (like the mining oligarch, Akhmetov(?))? It’s got me thinking that the West is planning on a very big thing going down, either as a contingency, e.g. the resistance aiming at the oligarchs instead of their lackeys, or an operation that potentially endangers the persons of the oligarchs, e.g. non-conventional weapons or a Bhopal-type industrial “accident” which I think I saw mentioned here already. In any case, oligarchs don’t take payment in warm fuzzies and glory (and, it’s worth noting, that’s why they usually win in policy and we usually do not), but presumably they do share the instinct of self-preservation in roughly equal measure with us.
Therefore I would suggest that keeping them and their loyals from exiting resistance territory, such as denying use of the airport by keeping it closed (and secondarily intact), would pose a credible danger to Western VIP collaborators, which is one of the few forms of accountability an oligarch can’t just buy off like nothing ever happened. I suspect that there’s little propaganda hay that can be made of it, but maybe I just lack imagination.
Cheers, and thanks again for all you do!
American Kulak,
That’s not a press account, or a charge, there are no witnesses, that’s just Margaret Bundy’s word, written up in a fairly threatening manner by …. somebody. And I’d have to read more about any offset for that solar farm business. But the main point is, It’s. NOT. Bundy’s. Land. They only got the lease in 1948 or 1954, I forget which, but it is leased, not owned, and if you don’t pay your rent in any other situation, uh, you get evicted. He should be — ranchers grouse about their fees but they’re INCREDIBLY low, like $1/acre, and they all do rather well; it just FEELS like it’s their land but it never has been, primarily bc most of the people who went out there could NEVER have afforded to buy enough grazing land — this was a hell of a deal (for everyone except the Indians, of course).
And I don’t believe that those Bundy supporters were peaceful, unarmed or cowboys. Come on. Harry Reid IS a scumbag (they ALL are), but Bundy is just NOT the person to be standing up for. I’ll join you against injustice, federal encroachment, etc. but not on this one. The only people I’d support in this whole situation are the two Native American women Bundy was quite happy to hide behind — they have REAL rights that are being denied them, and they’re telling the truth. Bundy’s a greedy, opportunistic fraud; they’re not.
And the feds really didn’t use force — they’ve all been scared to since Waco and they realized Clinton WANTED to privatize federal lands but chickened out and they knew he’d never have their backs. (And would you trust Obama to defend you… on ANYTHING?) So I’m close to 100% positive those guys were looking for any excuse possible not to do anything. Bundy and his sons are proven liars, I’ll go out on a bit of a limb here and hypothesize Margaret is too; she’s hardly a disinterested party. I wouldn’t trust a one of them any further than I could throw them — and at my age, that’s not real far! ;~)
Is this is the Propaganda Machine of the USA in Kiev ?
http://uacrisis.org
Who is behind this propagandachannel? Answer: George Soros
Some of you will find it interesting that Soros also has links to Associated Press and Reuter, and that the so called western media often uses these sources for their articles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
http://www.ap.org
http://www.reuters.com
http://www.thenewamerican.com/…/17843-george-soros-s…
German TV i scandal:
http://www.freitag.de/…/zdf-skandal-berichte-im-auftrag…
http://operation-
gladio.net/reports-on-behalf-of-kiev…
It is obvious that this is a scandal in Germany. Thus, it is this agency that seem to push the propaganda on to the western media, which appear to be happy to receive it.
Link this information about euromaidenPR, whit the videos and you get a idee whats maybe going on:
The Truthseeker: NGO documents plan Ukraine war (E35):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEcZFgSnVP0
9 facts that prove the U S is behind Ukraine crisis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZiJRnaom_E&feature=youtu.be
This information could possibly explain people’s resistance to knowledge that contradict the official “truth. ” It seems like this have been going on for a long time.
Information published on a blog: (Seems real)
“Below is the domain name registration info on euromaidanPR. I find it remarkably short of any identifying information. I don’t claim to know what rules ICANN has in that regard, but to me it smells of belonging to a three-letter USGov agency.
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Anonymous 01:42
Warren has too many enemies, Huntsman just won’t get any traction and is too decent, I think, to prostitute himself — but omigosh, Bloomberg? He almost makes a Hillary vs. Jeb context look good…
UGH.
Lord, I wish we had at least a possibility of a real choice. There really isn’t anyone in the wings you can think about for five minutes without gagging.
One more time:
The Anglo-Zionist New World Order is dead dead dead.
Surveying the planet…
The World Cup begining on June 12 is Brazil’s coming out party. I’d expect the Western media to spend lots of time highlighting poverty and corruption (sour grapes). US influence in Latin America will continue to weaken.
In India, Modi comes to power at the exact moment of the great shift. The decision by Nawaz Sharif of Pakistan to attend his swearing in demonstrates that everything is up in the air. India is in it’s strongest position ever vis a vis the West. I’d expect them to offer Modi a very great deal if he plays his cards right.
In South Africa, newly elected Zuma just recieved a strong mandate and can’t help but notice regime change operations targeting Goodluck Jonathan in Nigeria. I’d expect to see China start exploiting this very soon.
In Iran, Rouhani and those pushing for deal with the US have been severely weakened. The clerical establishment led by Khatami smells blood and this ensures that Iran will not be forced to sign an agreement that gives away too much to the Anglo-Zionists.
In Thailand, the British owned Shinawatra regime is done, replaced in a military coup at the precise moment that West is losing ground everywhere else.
In Indonesia, the upcoming election also looks like it will set back US interests one way or another. Will the bleeding ever stop?!
Even in Syria the Empire is signaling it’s interest in dealing with Assad.
There is not a single bit of good news for the Anglo-Zionists to be found. I picture Obama as a poker player down to his last few chips and scanning the table to see who he might borrow from to stay in the game. It would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.
I haven’t even mentioned Europe. As for Ukraine, I’ll defer to Saker’s fine analysis and emphasize that Poroshenko couldn’t be weaker heading into negotiations with Putin.
One more time:
The NWO is dead and a new multipolar world order is born.
@Anonymous re Bloomberg.
Holy cow!
What about a Bloomberg/Rand Paul ticket?
Where-Wolf,
Excellent summary.
America certainly could not do a better job of geopolitical self-mutilation.
To slap visa bans on India’s future PM and on Indonesia future Prez takes a real “skill”.
“Besides, Russia is not an empire anyway, so you are getting offended for no reasons and comparing apples and oranges.”
Russia is an empire. China is an empire. USA is an empire. They are all empires, no matter how their governments and economics are supposed to work in theory, or what they call their nominal head of state.
Definition of empire:
a (1) : a major political unit having a territory of great extent or a number of territories or peoples under a single sovereign authority; especially : one having an emperor as chief of state (2) : the territory of such a political unit
b : something resembling a political empire; especially : an extensive territory or enterprise under single domination or control
Since people are talking about the US internal situation a little…I don’t look for a President or anything at the federal level to help our situation. I do like the idea of state-level action.
Someone joked about the Constitution. IMO it hasn’t gone away, it’s very real and solid, when the citizens decide to stand on it.
I don’t believe the combination of force exists within the US to defy a constitutional convention – not in a fair fight anyway. I think even federal martial law would lose against a lawful gathering of the states. There are false flags of course.
Let the presidential race and all its oligarchic power just rot. If there’s nothing to vote for don’t vote. When people stop looking for salvation there they can move on to real solutions.
The answers are more local, more on the ground.
Not that I know the answers but I find this discussion interesting in this geopolitical forum.
@I’d expect the Western media to spend lots of time highlighting poverty and corruption (sour grapes)
And probably to hear how much the costs would weaken the Brazilian economy!
Nora – you must not have watched this video. I’ll leave it at that. I am not arguing Bundy was entirely in the right either, as he seems to have partaken of poor legal advice and not brought sufficient attention to his plight to get the feds to back off their land grab in his case before it reached this sorry state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA
Listen to the stunguns go off – ‘back up or you’re going to get bit’ ‘way to threaten a woman’
But feds terrified to use force since Waco and FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi (who presumably changed his name and went into hiding after that infamy) blew a mother’s head off as she held her child (true she had a holstered pistol at that time but it wasn’t pointed at anybody and she was standing in her own doorstep)?
LOL shouldn’t we all be glad of that? The bastards ought to show some restraint, it would have been a bloodbath had they opened up. If Bundy was in the wrong they could’ve placed a lien on his property and had the sheriff’s enforce it. The feds did not. Why do you think that is Nora? The BLM acted thuggishly and lawlessly in this case. The video doesn’t lie Nora. And the 2nd Amendment is one of the few things that has PREVENTED tyrannical bloodshed in this country so far.
American Kulak
Tick, tick, tick. July 2014.
I predicted that will be when things get really hairy. Appropriate month though, not sure they will be there on 28 July 1914, sorry 28 July 2014, that would even more appropriate.
US Army to proceed with planned exercise in Ukraine.
http://www.stripes.com/news/us-army-to-proceed-with-planned-exercise-in-ukraine-1.272551
VICENZA, Italy — Atlas Vision is canceled. But Rapid Trident is still a go.
The status of two annual U.S. Army Europe military exercises that were scheduled for July — one in Russia, one in western Ukraine— is being affected differently by the situation in Ukraine, which has been described as the worst crisis since the end of the Cold War. The fact that the U.S. and its allies chose to go ahead with an exercise in Ukraine while canceling the one in Russia demonstrates Western support for Kiev in its confrontation with Moscow.
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However, planning for Rapid Trident 2014 — a large, USAREUR-led multinational exercise scheduled for July — is ongoing, he said.
That exercise, in Lviv, near the Polish border, is to “promote regional stability and security, strengthen partnership capacity, and foster trust while improving interoperability between USAREUR, the land forces of Ukraine, and other (NATO and partner) nations,” according to the USAEUR website
The Saker said: “The entire Eurasian landmass is slowly but inexorably becoming integrated into a zone free from AngloZionist control and free of the dollar. The writing is on the wall for the AngloZionist Empire.”
And not a moment too soon.
Re @Anonymous 22:14
IMO, ‘The controversy of Zion’ is an absolute must-read for anyone seeking to understand the history of occult Judaism and its interactions with Christendom over 2,000 years, with the bulk of it dealing with the past 200 years. A very useful companion to Solzhenitsyn’s 200 years together too. To publish/distribute it in much of Europe remains illegal – ie it is on the German list of restricted publications for example. The history of how it first came to be published, some 20 years after its completion, together with the demonisation of it’s author is telling too. Douglas Reed was a Times correspondent from the 1930 through to the 1950’s and one of Europe’s best selling English language authors. His name is now virtually unknown. Now why is that do you suppose?
It is available FOC as a pdf download from Wikispooks. Do yourselves a big favour. Download, read and distribute it.
@Nora 20:41. That is a fair summary – The Halford Mackinder – Brzezinski continuum still dominates the western geo-political agenda and, from where I sit that will not change no matter how counter-productive tactics appear on their face, until it becomes a self evident failure – and I can’t see that happening without US-NATO dominant military capabilities being fully engaged either I’m afraid.
I’m a pessimist you see – if only because I enjoy being pleasantly surprised :-)
From The Times of Israel at
http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-disturbed-by-surging-violence-in-ukraine/
Kerry has been complaining to Lavrov of Chechen fighters crossing into Ukraine to join the rebels. We won’t mention the mercs that the West has been shipping to the Ukraine but what took the cake was when he “pressed Foreign Minister Lavrov to end all support for separatists, denounce their actions and call on them to lay down their arms” – yeah, right. We all know how the Right Sector is famed for their mercy and magnanimity in action. Seriously, is that all that Kerry could come up with?
What I really mean to say is that the disconnect with what officials and the media say in most countries and the reality on the ground has stretched to the breaking point. An article will appear in the media toeing the line with Kiev and the West, whereupon the Comments section will show an overwhelming amount of support for the rebels until Comments are either locked or furiously weeded out. I saw an example of this disconnect at Global Guerrillas at http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/ where the author stated that the whole thing was just an energy grab by the Russians only to be torn a new one in the Comments section.
There are a lot of brave men and women putting themselves in harm’s way in eastern Ukraine right now with a long road ahead of them. I believe a Roman once said that God is on the side of the Big Battalions but perhaps the rebels might do to remember what a UK author named Frederick Forsyth (who had experience with this) once wrote that “maybe God, if there is one, has something to do with truth, justice and compassion rather than sheer brute force, and that truth and justice might possibly be on the side of the little platoons”. To these rebels, all I can say is good luck – and good hunting!
Robert said: “The American resistance should take a look at Article Five of the US constitution. If two thirds of the states call a constitutional convention and three quarters ratify you can change the constitution. They could bypass Washington altogether. They could even dissolve the Union itself and then the states could form new confederations amongst themselves.”
Problem is that Washington would not allow itself to be bypassed. If there were any serious threat to the regime of the U.S. federal government then the National Guards of the appropriate states (nominally under the control of the state governors) would be ‘federalized’ (as provided for, I believe, in federal law), and those members of the state national guard who were willing to shoot their fellow citizens would do so (thus likely causing a civil war).
Unlike U.S. federal marshals, U.S. sheriffs are elected by the citizens of their counties, and thus are not controlled by the federal government. Sheriffs can arrest federal marshals, and this would be a major step toward eliminating the control of the federal government over the states. Of course, this is likely to happen only in a revolutionary situation.
In France, BFMTV has announced two days ago that Poroshenko has been invited to the ceremonies on June 6th of the 70th anniversary of the 1944 Allied landing in Normandy and will attend. Putin will be there as well and is scheduled to hold “informal talks” with Hollande the day before in Paris. It is not known whether the two men (Poroshenko and Putin) will meet in Normandy but…
American Kulak,
First off, a lien on cattle is really a bit gentler than one on his house — at least he’d still have a roof over his head. Secondly, the Feds at WACO were FBI, not BLM. Totally different group of people, different mission, different training. You know that. A Social Security clerk is a Fed too– is she a jack-booted thug? Actually, the real jack-booted thugs are cops — and they routinely tase 70-year-old women pulled over for a speeding ticket, guys watching tv who happen to live next door to drug dealers, oh, and quietly-seated non-violent protesters. I hate those damned things but this actually happened to have been an appropriate use of tasers — the crowd was unruly, threatening, damned-near hysterical — and Bundy’s crying son *was* hysterical, as well as ignorant of the law. Also, I didn’t *see* her get thrown on the ground, or him get “hit by multiple vehicles”, including a dump truck (he looked pretty good for having just withstood that, btw), I just heard him complaining about it. And now let’s talk about the (very well-trained) dogs, who the BLM guys were just barely able to control — why is that, do you think? Are those dogs really that vicious, or were they trained to respond the way they did because the crowd was threatening their handlers, precisely the stimulus they were trained to respond to? And I actually laughed when the one guy said, “I’m just recording your brutality.” Huh? All those guys were doing was trying to calm down a bunch of screaming hysterics trying to intimidate them and drive them away. Tempest in a teapot. Btw, is Margaret pressing charges? She may actually have been pushed, or someone accidentally bumped into her — who knows. But a woman from Occupy who elbowed a cop who grabbed her by the breast just got sent to prison and the cop got off scot-free — when you Patriots start complaining about that, as well as the constant brutalization of inner-city blacks, then we can start talking.
And I’d like to, very much.
I suggest that your notions of “control” in Ukraine are seriously undermined.
The first priority of living systems is to live.
The “Americans” may think they are in control, but even the “Americans” are not homogenous.
It will suit others if the “Americans” think they are in control.
The “oligarchs” have various strategies in play some of which depend on the “Americans” thinking they are in control.
The “Americans” are also active in bonding Oceania – as in Orwell’s 1984 – through various strategies such as the recent EU moves on freeing up GMO – to affect and be seen to affect control.
The creation of Oceania has benefits for Eurasia; as ever the key question is how to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blowback or whether a drowing man serves the purpose.
The there is the narod.
However in any interactive dynamic systems the outcomes are not wholly determined by any of the individual components.
The disappointment is usually described as the working of law of unintended consequences, thereby mitigating damage to strategies of hubris, the better to continue them.
I suggest that nothing is written on the wall or on commandment tablets.
The ride will be bumpy and likely the process of some duration.
@ American Kulak
With all due respect you’re spouting nonsense here. You don’t get to let your cattle graze on federal land and essentially claim ownership of what belongs to the public. This racist buffoon and his “sovereign citizen” clown brigade have had their 15 minutes.
Nora,
“All those guys were doing was trying to calm down a bunch of screaming hysterics trying to intimidate them and drive them away.” If the county sheriff in this case had had balls, he would told these BLM officers to get the hell out of his county as their ‘cattle roundup’ was a Charlie Foxtrot that was killing the cattle and going far beyond the law and creating danger to the lives and health of citizens, and come back later with a real lien on Bundy’s property that he would be willing to enforce personally.
As for Patriot movement not caring about inner city blacks or police brutality you haven’t spent much time at pro-2nd Amendment forums related to lifting gun bans for law abiding citizens (mostly blacks) terrorized by gang bangers in Chicago, have you? Or looked at Western Rifle Shooters or other patriot sites attitudes towards the cops?
Anyway I’m done discussing Bundy — apologizing for the BLM bringing vicious dogs (‘stimulus’ or not) is just ridiculous. The people were ‘hysterical’ because the BLM illegally closed a road and hit a woman, whether you saw it or not. And yes, my understanding is Margaret and the Bundy’s ARE SUING THE BLM for violations of her civil rights.
At least some on the Patriot movement ‘get it’ that if the feds can do these things to Occupy, they will do it to the Tea Party. I’ve seen the massive DHS arms buildup and deployment of MRAPs and ‘how we’ll fight the tea party’ brainwashing scenarios put out greeted with yawns by most people on the Left, by contrast. And the Obamabot Left is constantly promoting paranoia about ‘neo-Confederate right wing insurrectionists’ basically creating a rationalization for murdering fellow Americans with drones or justifying the DHS stockpiling 2 billion bullets — people like Bob Cesca or most of the posters at Democratic Underground fantasizing about a Second American Civil War in which
they’ll finally get to kill all the right wingers are just plain sick and frankly suicidal as well. They don’t realize the gub’mt they worship as their god won’t even be able to protect them if they ever got the Civil War 2.0 they crave, nor would there be some sort of safe Mason Dixon line for anybody to hide behind.
American Kulak
“With all due respect you’re spouting nonsense here. You don’t get to let your cattle graze on federal land and essentially claim ownership of what belongs to the public. This racist buffoon and his “sovereign citizen” clown brigade have had their 15 minutes.” I’m not even arguing that Bundy isn’t engaged in civil disobedience by refusing to pay the grazing fees. But 53 other ranchers in his area have been put out of business since he stopped paying his fees in 1993. That should tell you what happens to those who follow all the rules, the BLM is trying to drive ranchers off their land in that area. Nor is Bundy a ‘sovereign citizen’ or refusing to comply with State laws, he simply thinks the feds have acted illegitimately and gotten two judges in this case to rubber stamp using the desert tortoise as a pretext for a massive land grab. You disagree fine, but my question still stands : why if Bundy stole fed property didn’t the feds just sue him and put a lien on his property rather than engage in a cattle roundup that a) resulted in dozens of dead calves and cows the Bundys documented who were herded to death by helicopters in either an incompetent or punitive action b) seized cattle that no cattle dealer in the area wanted to be associated with auctioning off to ‘cover Bundy’s fees’?
Clearly the feds acted punitively rather than using the least force possible, deployed excessive force and illegally turned dogs and closed roads against protesters — all BEFORE they were challenged by a single armed protester showing up, and had to back off when their actions threatened to create a sh*tstorm and destroy already low BLM morale.
That’s the story here. Until you leftoids learn to stand up for Patriot movement types that disagree with your ‘the government as enacted through its bureaucracies is god’ ideology, no one on the Right is going to stick their necks out and stand up for Occupy or any other progressive movement. Which is a shame. The banksters and oligarchs who use agencies like the BLM to seize land they want for crony capitalist interests will continue to divide us and put out their BS for the ‘right’ on Fox and for the ‘left’ on PMSNBC and the ‘progressive’ Establishment.
American Kulak
“Unlike U.S. federal marshals, U.S. sheriffs are elected by the citizens of their counties, and thus are not controlled by the federal government. Sheriffs can arrest federal marshals,” yes and this is precisely what should have happened in the Bundy case.
The county sheriff should’ve rolled up with several armed deputies, told the BLM agents they were threatening unarmed citizens with dogs and they had received a complaint about an assault on a woman by a BLM agent, and to get the hell off his county road that they had no authorization to shut down or face arrest. Simple as that.
If they had a legitimate court order to enforce they must enforce it in a legitimate way — having a judge sign off on a warrant does not ordinarily give regular cops the right to roll in with armored vehicles, fully auto weapons and snipers on helicopters, why should the BLM’s show of force be justified in this case? Who had threatened them prior to a single protester showing up with their AR-15s slung (and to date we’ve only seen one guy who pointed an AR at them when they had fully auto weapons pointed at hundreds of unarmed protesters — where are the criminal charges for this individual? Ahhh the fact that the feds haven’t filed them should tell you something about the strength of their case).
This leftist tendency ‘local authorities are always wrong, the feds are always right, and if anyone engages in civil disobedience or confronts federal agents verbally they deserve to be tased or beaten’ is simply disgusting. It’s why no one on the Right wants to stand up for Occupy except maybe for the pacifistic Ron Paul. Enough’s enough the BLM acted stupidly until they had no choice but to pull back or engage in a bloodbath. Take Bundy to court in Nevada and sue him for a lien on his land, and then have the local sheriff enforce it, problem solved and the feds don’t look like jack booted thugs threatening middle aged women with dogs so Harry Reid’s cronies can cut deals with the Chinese or others to develop PUBLIC LAND without Bundy’s cattle in the way.
American Kulak
My last comment on Bundy — I see he is not suing the feds for excessive force despite the video evidence, the use of dogs and the tackling/knockdown assault on Margaret. Well in this case I have to say Bundy has acted stupidly, he should sue the crap out of them for excessive force and civil rights violations he has no shortage of pro-bono qualified liberty-movement attorneys who would do it.
So in this case I can honestly say Bundy is a man very hard to sympathize with who has not played his legal and media cards well. My beef is with the BLM trying to go in with the Waco/Ruby Ridge approach and finally getting turned back because the Liberty Movement said ‘oh hell no are you going to do that again’. As the 2nd Amendment movement 3 Percenter Mike Vanderbough says ‘there aren’t going to be any more free Wacos’.
Deal lefties who post here? I admit Bundy acted stupidly if you consider that the BLM did things it did not have to do and ended up humiliating itself in front of the whole country — looking weak to fed gov worshippers and looking thuggish to people who loathe fed control/mismanagement over 90% of the inter Mountain West.
American Kulak
Wikispooks,
Yup. I always try to figure out the worst-case scenario; it generally doesn’t happen but at least I’m prepared if anything equally-awful happens — and utterly delighted if it doesn’t!
American Kulak
” Until you leftoids learn to stand up for Patriot movement types that disagree with your ‘the government as enacted through its bureaucracies is god’ ideology” Huh? Who you talking about, Bub? Ain’t me.
“As the 2nd Amendment movement 3 Percenter Mike Vanderbough says ‘there aren’t going to be any more free Wacos’.” Waco happened when? I”m sure it’s been you guys who prevented any others all these years. Couldn’t have been anything else — could it?
“This leftist tendency ‘local authorities are always wrong, the feds are always right, and if anyone engages in civil disobedience or confronts federal agents verbally they deserve to be tased or beaten’ is simply disgusting. ” What a lovely olive branch. Who wouldn’t want to work with you?
You demonize and hate — I’m guessing here — anyone who doesn’t share your gun fetish and close-minded views. If you could open your mind a bit, and maybe learn to, oh I don’t know, treat people with respect and listen to what *they* say they find important, instead of making a lot of really stupid assumptions about what *you* think they think and treating them contemptuously because of the ideas in *your* head, not theirs, then maybe it’d be possible to cooperate. But I’ll be damned if I’ll willingly work, even on shared goals, with somebody who’s so full of himself and his “movement” that he’s only got insults for anyone else — and inaccurate insults at that.
Nora,
You can think of me however you like I won’t assume the worst about you either I was speaking of folks in general not you. There’s lots of room for different folks here and I have tried to move past the false Left/Right paradigm.
I just didn’t like a few commenters (not necessarily yourself) swallowing the fed/PMSNBC line on Bundy hook line and sinker and refusing to look at the big picture of federal landgrabs and ‘shock and awe’ militarization. I’m ending this discussion because the vast majority of Saker’s readers especially outside the U.S. could care less.
As I said I’m done with Bundy he turned off a lot of people who rallied to him with stupidity and weird Mormon tendencies (no offense to all LDSers intended). The Liberty Movement can and must do better than him or LDS disinfo agents like Glenn Beck who is mostly scorned by his former base and losing audience fast worthless to everyone.
However, it’s absolutely true fear of Congressional exposure, prosecution and maybe even reprisal that has prevented Wacos/Ruby Ridges since 1994. Why in this case you feel sorry for the poor BLM thugs and the (Blackwater muscleroided, bearded wraparound sunglasses wearing merc) ringers who were mixed in with their ranks in Nevada is beyond me.
American Kulak
American Kulak,
Let’s try something, ok? You’re really angry, at a lot of stuff. I get that — me too. Some of the same stuff, too, I’m guessing. But when you spout off like that, it makes me think you really don’t know very many people on the Left at all — know them, not just read stuff they wrote or stuff other people write about them, but really know them, as people. I’ve spent my entire lift pretty darned far Left and you certainly didn’t describe me at all, or many Leftish I’ve ever known, and I’ve known a whole lot.
So if you and I are going to try to get beyond what we both see as the false Left/Right paradigm, how ’bout we set up a couple of ground rules. Like, I only criticize “my” side (and I will, I promise!), and you only criticize yours. There are plenty of, well, let’s call them quirks, on both sides, but we treat each other — and each other’s views, whether we share them or not — with respect. Let’s just try it, see what happens.
Because if we can figure out the goals we share — and I think we can, I really truly do — then we can work together and help others work together too, and maybe stand a chance of solving the truly hideous problems facing us.
Deal?
@American Kulak: The Left-Right paradigm makes no sense and has lost its meaning long ago (in my opinion it lots its meaning in the late 19th century). Also, this paradigm is designed to keep good people apart and let the SOBs rule over us. In many ways I am a “hard leftist” (my economics in particular) while my ethnics are more to the right. But as one Russian philosopher said, we should not try to go left or right, but UP!
I suggest way all stay away from this Left/Right thingie.
Good nite,
The Saker
PS: Nora – I wish you a super-wonderful week-end. Take care, my friend!
Belarus is a socialist state of sorts whereas the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan are not. Would the Eurasian Union create pressure on Belarus to adjust its social state to Russian-Kazakh norms?
Thank you, Saker. And same back atcha!
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