- China has officially strongly criticized any sanctions saying that they would be useless.
- Another six cities of the eastern Ukraine have rebelled.
- Dmitryi Olegovich Rogozin Russian Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Russia and Deputy Prime Minister of Russia in charge of defense industry has declared that Russia will respond to words with words and to actions with actions. For example, he said, if the US would try to hurt the Russian aerospace industry they could fly their astronauts to the International Space Station themselves.
- Oleg Tsarev, one of the most popular political figures from the eastern Ukraine officially quit the Presidential race explaining that it was impossible for him to participate.
- Mikhail Dobkin, a top Party of Regions figure and close friend of the Major of Kharkov Gennadi Kermes – who has been shot and is in critical condition in an Israeli hospital declared that he is also thinking of quitting the Presidential race.
- Russian pilots have reported that the GPS signal over Ukraine appears to have been degraded by the USA. The USA also did that in Libya and during the 08.08.08 Ossetia. Luckily, the Russian constellation of GLONASS satellites is at its full capacity (24) and it can easily take over.
- US Secretary of State John Kerry:”Today Russia seeks to change the security landscape of Eastern and Central Europe, we have to make it absolutely clear to the Kremlin that NATO territory is inviolable we will defend every single inch of it.”
- In Kiev the Right Sector and the Maidanites have fought each other
Turchinov admits that his operation has failed:”I would like to say frankly that at the moment the security structures are unable to swiftly take the situation in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions back under control. Security personnel tasked with the protection of citizens are helpless. More than that, some of these units either aid or co-operate with terrorist groups. Our task is to stop the spread of the terrorist threat first of all in the Kharkiv and Odessa regions.” - It has been announced by the military authorities in Russia that two newcomers will participate in the next May 9th (aka “Victory Day”) parade in Moscow: a Spetsnaz unit in its new bullet-proof combat fatigues and silenced rifles and a Naval Infantry unit from the Black Sea Feet which will be flying the flag of the Russian Crimean Republic. I can just about imagine the rage of the NATO attaches invited to watch the parade (which they always are each year).
- The pro-US liberal activist Boris Nemtsov has committed political suicide by going on Ukie TV and comparing Putin to Stalin. Not that he has much to lose since his “Parnas” party was firmly pegged in the single digits.
- Nemtsov, Khodorkovsky, Kasparov and Navalnyi and a few others are basically political corpses now
- On the same program on Ukie TV which featured Nemtsov, a well-know Ukrainian nationalist, Iurii Lutsenko, seriously declared that the “genetic code of the Ukrainian people give them the ability to live outside lies, whereas the genetic code of childern of Gengis Khan makes them willing to live in lies and spread the patriotic syphillis“. His comments about the genetic makeup was made particularly comical since he was sitting next to a Jew (Nemtsov), on a TV show hosted by a Jew (Savik Shuster) and that he was co-organizing the conference which invited Nemtsov to Kiev with another famous Jew (Khodorkovsky). I wonder why these Jews who usually are hyper-sensitive to “genetic” issues all remained silent and smiling when a neo-Nazi nationalist was seriously discussing how the Asia genes of Russians made them different and less capable of opposing lies than the putative Ukrainian “race”.
- The USA and EU have adopted further symbolic sanctions on Russia which only serve one purpose: to convince the Russians that the West cannot and will not take any meaningful punitive measures against Russia.
- Finally, the US is gleefully reporting that sanctions are hurting Russia which is now suffering from a capital outflow. This is partially true, there are signs of capital outflow, but this is speculative capital anyway which, like in 08.08.08 is moved out by western plutocrats in response to an anti-Russian campaign and which will soon be right back. So far, there are absolutely no signs of disinvestment for the simple reason that the Western plutocrats are not willing to suffer the consequences of such a move.
I might have mentioned his here, but there is a great Russian saying about making empty threats. It goes like this: “to try to scare a hedgehog with a naked butt“. That is exactly what the US and EU are doing now: they are trying to scare Russia with sanctions which will hurt them infinitely more than they would hurt Russia. Not only that, but the very notion that slapping 15 or 30 people with a 6 months travel ban into the Eurozone will break the will of a people which withstood events like the 900 days of the blockade of Leningrad by the German military (with hunger, cold and artillery and Luftwaffe bombing raids every day) is laughable.
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The good news today is the admission by Turchinov that he lost the Lugansk and Donetsk Oblast and that what he as to do now is to prevent these events from spreading to other parts of the Ukraine such as the Odessa and Kharkov regions (see map). My personal feeling is that Kharkov is gone too. But Odessa might be more complicated. The situation in Dnepropetrovsk is even more complex.
What could happen is a two-step disintegration of the Ukraine. In the first step the Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkov regions would break off and form their own independent republic. Then a relative lull will take place between the upcoming Presidential elections (assuming they happen), the payment of pensions, the price increases and the total termination of Russian gas supplies to the Ukraine. Then over the summer and early Fall the rest of the Ukraine will explode in social protests which will push regions such as Odessa or Zaporozhie to break off while the oligarchs and neo-Nazis battle each other for the control of Kiev. The single most powerful factor affecting the Ukrainian disintegration process will be the economic boom in Crimea. If last year the Ukrainians compared the economic prosperity of Russians and EU-members, this year they will compare the economic situation in the junta controlled Ukraine (which I call “Banderastan”) and Crimea. As for the People’s Republic of Donetsk, it will have to join Russia sooner or later if only for security reasons.
Then, I can only express my amused amazement at Kerry’s latest expression of hot air. What does “we have to make it absolutely clear to the Kremlin that NATO territory is inviolable we will defend every single inch of it” supposed to mean?! Does Kerry seriously believe that anybody – nevermind the Russians – will seriously believe that Russian tanks are about to attack NATO? This also begs the question of how exactly would NATO propose to fight Russia if the latter occupied the Baltic Statges (which Russia neither wants nor needs).
Kerry is turning into a full-time buffoon who makes Hillary look rational.
On last thing: I have heard that something close to 70% of Americans are unhappy with Obama and is his handling of the Ukrainian crisis, while Putin’s popularity is pegged around 80% of support.
Looks to me like the Russian people and the American people very much have a similar point of view. Too bad that a parasitical plutocracy of 1% has put a non-entity like Obama in power.
The Saker
@I wonder why these Jews who usually are hyper-sensitive to “genetic” issues all remained silent and smiling when a neo-Nazi nationalist was seriously discussing how the Asia genes of Russians made them different and less capable of opposing lies than the putative Ukrainian “race”.
Well, I think that illustrates better than anything what was all about.
The general hysterical tone of the “West”, its disregard of any realities on the ground in the name of a vapid ideology, is perfectly consonant with the hysterics of Netanyahu in the name of the zionist theology.
WizOz
was listening to Hilter’s 11 minute monologue with Mannerheim. it’s got this tidbit: “if you are one of my generals had stated that any nation has 35,000 tanks I’d have said: “You, my good sir, you see everything twice or ten times. You are crazy; you see ghosts.” This I would have deemed possible. I told you earlier we found factories, one of them at Kramatorskaja, for example, two years ago there were just a couple of hundred [tanks]. We didn’t know anything. Today, there is a tank plant, where (short pause) during the first shift a little more than 30,000, and around the clock a little more than 60,000, workers would have labored (short pause) a single tank plant, we occupied it, a gigantic factory, masses of workers who certainly lived like animals and…
Another voice in the background: (Interrupting) In the Donets area?
Hitler: In the Donets area.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_and_Mannerheim_recording
Is that the same location that the Ukranian Army occupied the airfield? Kramatorsk?
tom garrett wrote:
“It would help though if you could specify the six additional eastern cities where ‘insurrections’ have taken place. I can’t make the count.”
For what it’s worth, the large map at today’s post here…
‘Presenting Russian East Ukraine: These Are The Cities Controlled By “Separatists”‘
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-30/presenting-russian-east-ukraine-these-are-cities-controlled-separatists
…claims public buildings in 14 towns are occupied by separatists and, of those 14, claims three entire towns (Lugansk, Slavyansk, Gorlivka) are “separatist controlled.’
from amerika:
east ukraine revolutionary truth
the nazis moved to the usa, so in that sense, wwii was lost to the people, although the soviet union defeated germany.
the soviet union dissolved post-cold war, but communism was not defeated. it lives in the hearts, minds and souls of the people.
let’s celebrate may 1 – may 9!
let’s work together for freedom, revolution and peace!
@Pasolini: The problem the US faces as an empire is that it is increasingly an empire run by culturally illiterate techno-nerds who have no comprehension of the history and culture of other people.
Absolutely correct.
Hanlon’s razor: ‘Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity’.
Grey’s Law: “Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice”.
That brings us to the classic Peter Principle: “in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties” and “work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence”.
“In an extraordinary interview with the Wall Street Journal given Monday and published Tuesday, US Secretary of State John Kerry made clear that the Obama administration and the US military/intelligence establishment are fully aware that they are risking the outbreak of nuclear war by pursuing a reckless and provocative policy towards Russia.”
Full article here – http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38376.htm
I guess most Russians have recently listened to multiple interviews with Igor Strelkov, the new face of Donbas insurgency. If you haven’t, do not hesitate to do so. Who could have thought that Donbas will be lead by an avid White movement supporter, war veteran, military reconstructor and a former GRU colonel? A truly remarkable man.
Here is a very interesting article about him in Russian
http://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/11695/rules-of-strelkov/
Mohamed said…
Like I said earlier, that both Obama and Putin are in cohort.
I believed this myself until fairly recently. Remember Obama is only a figure head.
He is playing the role of good cop. Those who are pulling his strings want Putin to believe that he has friends who want to de-escalate the situation. Meanwhile they continue to escalate on all fronts.
Think about it.
In the grand scheme of life, Ukraine Crisis Accelerating the Restructuring of the World @ http://www.voltairenet.org/article183542.html might be of interest.
@Damian Gunjak:What will happen with the Baltics if Nato gets involved though? Does a skirmish in Ukraine where NATO units participate translate into open conflict with Russia in the Baltics
Well, I don’t think that Russia has any desire or need to do anything the Baltic states even if their regimes are basically racist. Over time, Russia will simply aquire the Baltics by economic means. As for the stupid Balts, let them see where having neo-Nazis in power lead the Ukraine. The “equation” for all these statlets is the same one:
Common border with Russia + russophobia + reliance on overseas powers = disaster
@Old Ez:trying to get the Russian elite to abandon Putin? If that is the case, what chance does this tacttic have of succeeding? Zero? Slightly above zero?
Zero. Besides, Putin’s power base is not in the elites, but in the masses of regular folks.
@Mohamed: Obama and Putin are in cohort.
No. Obama works for the Empire. Putin wants to bring it down.
@bluelight:Saker, what are the logistics when Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkov regions become independent. Are they self-sustainable that they have an adequate revenue base?
Like Crimea: short term difficulties, long term “no brainer”. These are by far the wealthiest parts of the Ukraine. And it will be easy to integrate the eastern economies into the Russian one and, via Russia, with Kazakhstan, Belarus and Armenia.
@MS in Kiev:Transcarpathian region of Ukraine declared its independence
Of course, them and Transdniestria too. But here the geography is against them. That is going to be tough. Only possible in the long term. But yes, that is a first step.
@Anonymous:can you explain why do you think that situation in Odessa is more complicated?
Sure. It is a very diverse and unique city. Very very diverse and almost a separate state. Also, it is the last big Ukie port anywhere, so they have more forces there. They are so afraid of a Russian landing that they even put special barriers on the beaches. It is a special case in many ways, not at all like Crimea or the Donbass.
@Anonymous: What probability would you attach to military intervention by US (?UK, ?FR)?
Zero. Unless, of course, you assume that everybody in the White House is a lunatic and a drooling idiot. Crazy people do crazy stuff, but I don’t think that the folks in power in the USA are crazy. Dumb, yes. Arrogant, yes. Ignorant, yes. But not dumb or suicidal.
@Anonymous:Would you expand on your view of the situations in Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov?
These are two big urban areas in which the nationalists definitely have supporters. Maybe not a majority, but not a small minority either. Urban centers are complicated and difficult to manage for both sides, so neither is in full control right now. Could go either way I suppose, but whoever ends up controlling it will have a headache on his hands.
… to be continued
Anonymous said…
As you may know, the president of Republika Srpska, Serbian part of Bosnia, gave a statement in todays interview with Newsweek in which he stated that Serbs will make a referendum on partitioning from Bosnia. We need Russian support!
The statements made by the President of Republika Srpska — in Newsweek demonstrate that he is acting under the direction of NATO.
Don’t get fooled again my friends.
… continued
@Michael:What has happened to the 15,000 Ukrainian soldiers and 160 tanks, etc that we’re ready to put down the eastern rebellion?
Nothing. They are still there. Useless. Literally useless as “cannot be used by the junta”. They were ordered to put down the East, but that does not mean that they were “ready”. Also, having the Russians go on massive maneuvers right across the border probably scared the shit out of them (as it should).
Daniel: Spetsnaz
Interesting, can you tell us how you met them and what kind of Spetsnaz (GRU, FSB, VDV, Naval) they were. The ones I personally know best are the FSB “Vympel” who are not only strong, but very smart and very well-educated. 2 college degrees used to be a requirement in the days (not sure today). But yes, when I hear all the propaganda about the great SEALs/Delta I always smile.
@Аndrea G:история хорошая и так оно и есть. зря консул так среагировал. Правда она есть правда.
-yt:IMHO Kerry chooses his words carefully. Here he transports two messages. The first is a psychological one, posing as the strong man (the US) to the rest of the world (yes, hot air, but with the effect he wanted). The second message to those concerned is simply: We won’t go to war with Russia over Ukraine
You might be right, of course, but that kind of message should be delivered by other channels. But I sure hope that you are right!
@EVERYBODY: I know that there have been problems with the captchas, I am very sorry, I have no control over that. It is a blogger issue which will be solved after a few hours as usual. Sorry!
Also – sorry for the shorthand style of my replies, I am simply pressed for time.
Cheers to all,
The Saker
God Bless you, Saker! We are all very grateful to you for what you do, and amazed you have enough hours in the day to do it! Thank you for creating this community; it’s an oasis for the mind, heart, soul and spirit.
@ Saker,
If memory serves me well, the translator said ‘KGB.’ [20 years ago, in case that makes any difference].
@amerika 01 May, 2014 01:21
“the nazis moved to the usa, so in that sense, wwii was lost to the people, although the soviet union defeated germany”
A very astute comment.
There is a huge amount of evidence to support this claim.
Operation Paperclip for a start.
The Nazis imported to the US by the OSS/CIA under that program were integrated into the Military/Industrial Complex and influenced the whole system of secret government ever thereafter.
There was of course also much support for the Nazis (financial and industrial) before and during WWII by many of the wealthy US elite – including the much lauded Henry Ford (a very staunch supporter of the Nazis and Hitler – a fact which is NEVER mentioned by the controlled western media).
Prescott Bush was also very actively supporting the Nazis – another fact whitewashed by the controlled media.
Anyone interested in the issue of the US-Nazi connection will find the books ‘The Fourth Reich’ and ‘Who Financed Hitler’ excellent starting points with many original sources of information referenced in each.
Sadly, it would appear there is considerable evidence that current US hegemony is engineered by a wealthy elite with close historical connections with the Nazis of the last generation.
There is too of course the issue of the missing Nazi fortune amassed before and during the war that has apparently been ‘lost’ according the ‘offical’ sources. How have those riches been put to use over the past 70 years? On this topic, the exceptionally well researched and relatively recent book ‘Grey Wolf’ is very enlightening.
The curtain is slowly being pulled back and the secret rulers of the world do not like it one bit.
It is all connected.
There are a LOT of comments over past weeks along the lines of that made today by:
@Shmoo Report 30 April, 2014 19:38
To that person in Canada and EVERYONE else in a similar position to having found this blog and its treasure of analysis by the Saker along with the intelligent and enlightened commentatiors –
PLEASE share the blog with everyone you know and get them to do the same.
It is important for the people of Ukraine and Russia that the information disseminated here be widely known to counter the nonsense spewed forth by the controlled media.
In response to:
@Shmoo Report 30 April, 2014 19:38
and all those others who have found the Saker’s blog over the past weeks, PLEASE share it with everyone you know and get them to do the same.
It is critically important that the people of the western world be informed with balanced information to counter the drivel spewed forth by the controlled media.
The invaluable analysis by the Saker along with the intelligent and enlightened commentary make this an essential daily read.
The ordinary people of Ukraine have no voice – it has been drowned out be the controlled western media.
Anonymous said… Any Russian speaker here?
http://cs607529.vk.me/v607529669/8321/9iaebzbLKio.jpg
What does the description say? I think it has to do with sarcasm, but not sure
The lady is very glad that her daughter’s beloved is not a Moskal/Russian :)
shed
There seems to be some kind of military genius at work in the Donbass People’s Militia – maybe totally unintentionally. The resistance is now building an iron ring from Mariupol to Donetsk, to Slovyansk, to Lugansk, effectively encircling all of Kyiv’s troops and armor in the east. There is a great danger (for the Kyiv junta) that these will fall into the hands of the antifascist resistance. Large parts of the army may simply join the People’s Army. There may be enough tanks there to liberate Kiev!
Moscow claimed that there are “15,000 Ukrainian soldiers and 160 tanks” in Donbass ready to crush the resistance. This seems to be misinformation from the Russian side. Most are regular Ukrainian Army troops sent to the east to block Russian tank columns. The Ukrainian Army has never allowed itself to be used in the internal political conflict, nor do I think it would now. For internal suppression and oppression NATO has established the Natsionalniy Gvardii (NazGuard).
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I have been reading on the Slovenian Independence War or “Ten-Day War“. In essence the war was about control of border crossings. Initially Slovenia took control of the posts. The Yugoslav Army responded by moving in heavy armor and retaking most of the posts. In the end 4,600 Yugoslav troops were taken prisoner along with much of the heavy armor.
Turchinov’s task now is to avoid this scenario. He will have to withdraw all Ukrainian troops, police and border guards from Donbass and set up new border posts and defensive lines in Izyum and in the west. If he succeeds, Donbass will become Russia overnight.
For all of Novorossiya to be liberated the resistance must not play by this book. It is vital that the troops and border controls – with Ukrainian flags and under Kyiv control – be kept in place as long as possible.
In Slovenia the Brioni Accords delayed independence by three months. In retrospect, it may be exactly this delay that led to the total breakup of Yugoslavia.
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One must not forget, that Putin and Russia took a major step in stabilizing Ukraine by annexing Crimea. If that had NOT happened, Crimean self-defense troops, even regular army troops stationed on Crimea would now be fighting in Novorossiya – perfectly legally under international law!
Kerry was a full time buffoon before, he’s now firmly I’m the lead for biggest clown on earth. If it wasn’t for the genetically-enabled lie-proof Ukie guy, I’d hand it to him right now. And then there’s always Donald Trump lurking around waiting to jump into the mix, and a few other politicos here in the states ready to unleash some load of crap that might make Kerry look good by comparison. But no doubt, he IS the front-runner at this point.
The Nazis admitting defeat gives me joy no end. Ahh, the schadenfreude is lovely in Spring! I would just love to be a fly on the wall in the officers of Nuland, McCain, or any other neocon, anywhere right about now. Another one firmly in the ‘loss’ column for The Exceptionally American Foreign Policy Blunder Machine. Although now I suppose we can expect ramped up coup operations in Venezuela, or more deadly arms for AQ in Syria, something to satisfy their blood-lust and soothe their surely bruised egos. At least I feel like the risk of an imminent wider war has abated, for which I am relieved, but not rejoicing too much as there is surely more suffering to come for Ukraine thanks to this catastrophe of a coup.
@ Nora … uber-rich Ketchup Kerry
It’s his wife, who is uber-rich, Nora, not Kerry :)
shed
@Colinjames:Ahh, the schadenfreude is lovely in Spring!
What a great sentence! Can I borrow it and use it in a title if/when circumstances warrant that?
I will put the first ‘s’ in capital case though, as names in German are capitalized.
Cheers!
The Saker
@ Saker
Anonymous asked: What probability would you attach to military intervention by US (?UK, ?FR)?
Zero. Unless, of course, you assume that everybody in the White House is a lunatic and a drooling idiot. Crazy people do crazy stuff, but I don’t think that the folks in power in the USA are crazy. Dumb, yes. Arrogant, yes. Ignorant, yes. But not dumb or suicidal.
The definitiveness of your statement is too strong. Based on the past behaviour of the puppet masters we can not say that the chances of war are anywhere close to zero. The decision makers may not think they are suicidal to begin with. They always grossly overestimate their capabilities and have an almost unlimited capacity for self delusion.
Everywhere I look I see signs of escalation and mobilization. Mohamad said he thought Obama and Putin were in cahoots. I agree with you that they are on opposite sides but it is possible that Obama himself does not know what side he is on. I believe he is completely out of the loop on decision making. At some point he may become more useful dead than alive.
Every opportunity for the West to de-escalte ans save face, given them by Putin and Lavrov, has been missed by a very wide mark. Let me repeat a phrase familiar to Americans:
All options are still on the table.
Miscalculation is also always a possibility. Rogue actions by unknown persons including military commanders cannot be discounted. In Palestine Abbas is panicking publicly stating the holocaust is the worst crime in history while stories about the coming Third Temple are appearing in semi-reputable news sources. I believe he is terrified that a new round of mass ethnic cleansing is about to get underway. Stories that Kim Jong is planning a new round of nuclear tests are also appearing. I believe this is a false flag operation years in the making. CNN refuses to talk about anything but flight 370 and the racist remarks of the owner of a basketball team. I think this news black out is meant to keep the lid on not just Americans but also on analysis by by foreign powers. When millions of people from around the world watch overt propaganda from America they are bound to see things not apparent to the propagandists themselves. The curtain has been drawn for a reason.
Beyond all this I have noticed many disturbing trends in the propaganda I am seeing in Canada where all disinformation goes directly through the CBC.
continued in part II
@ Saker (part 2)
Canadian propaganda is usually unsophisticated and ahistorical. They are not very good at telling a convincing lie and their mistakes are often glaring.
On the one level there is overt propaganda. This is the straight up lying they do all the time. The attitude of this stuff has changed fairly drastically over the last several days. They have abandoned all sensitivity to the underlying reality — as if they no longer care what well informed people think. To me the changes are indicative of panic, fear and a recognition that their audience is growing wise to the disinformation. They would prefer to speak only to willing fools. Today I heard a woman on CBC radio reading a script with unmistakable fear and hesitation in her voice. I have listened to her for years and she is a very smart person. If the words she was reading were true, she should have no reason to have sounded this way.
This is thin, I know, but there is another level of propaganda which is also very different. In addition to overt propaganda there is the stuff that they are trying to whisper into your subconscious. Disturbing thoughts and ideas that have no direct relation to the situation in any story keep popping up in unusual places. I have heard World War 3 brought up several times for no apparent reason both yesterday and today. Someone is inserting this thought into the minds of viewers and listeners on radio. Today an announcer suddenly burst in after an awkward moment of silence to say that “Canadians are still not heeding the advice of experts and stocking up on emergency supplies.” The advice given was very specific: have at least three days of supplies on hand at all times.
In another instance, actor Bob Hoskins was reported to have died today. The story began with a long and creepy monologue from an old movie in which Hoskins asks us to find the spirit of Dunkirk. WTF? It was chilling to listen to and there are examples of this kind of thing all the time.
I understand it is difficult to make a strong case that war is coming from bits of highly subjective information but I have spent years listening to this stuff very carefully. Canada is part of the Imperial Domain. They receive direct instructions from London or Washington. They must interpret those instructions and present them in a Canadian context. Their many mistakes often are often a very good indicator of what the ruling elites are thinking. Basically, their propaganda sucks. The biggest lies told often require a radical interpretation of well known historical facts but since Canadians do not know history very well they usually get away with it.
Something is brewing.
@Where-Wolf: The definitiveness of your statement is too strong. Based on the past behaviour of the puppet masters we can not say that the chances of war are anywhere close to zero. The decision makers may not think they are suicidal to begin with. They always grossly overestimate their capabilities and have an almost unlimited capacity for self delusion. Everywhere I look I see signs of escalation and mobilization.
Look, I do also see the signs of escalation, and I have to admit that history shows that imperial leaders have turned into total megalomaniacs who thought that they were invincible. What can I say other than in my opinion the USA/NATO/EU do not have a military option, at least not a viable one. My guess is that what the US is up to is giving a meaning to NATO and create a new Cold War. Also, it is precisely because of their weakness that they are grandstanding and acting tough. But in military terms, the US cannot win a war against Russia any more than Russia could win one against the USA. Even if we take nuclear weapons out of the equation (and there is NO reason to do so, quite to the contrary), then there is still geography which makes a Russian-US war a crazy proposition for both parties. Can you really imagine NATO tanks cruising down the Ukrainians plains or the USAF trying to penetrate what is BY FAR the most advanced air-defense network on the planet?
What the US/NATO will probably do is look fierce and determined along the Ukie/Polish border. At the very very very craziest, they will cross that border and move into eastern Ukraine like the 82nd Airborne did in Saudi Arabia, to be a “tripwire” at the request of the “sole legitimate President of the Ukraine” – Turchinov (LOL!). But actually engage the Russian army on the exact same land were Napoleon and Hitler lost it all?
No, I cannot imagine that.
Can you?
Cheers,
The Saker
An (as always) entertaining discussion about the “CNN curtain” by Max keiser can be found here –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG2IkZP79o&index=195&list=PLPszygYHA9K2ZtV_1KphSugBB7iZqbFyz
@Petri Krohn on 01 May, 2014 03:32
Your information is most heartening, and your analysis rings true, thank you!
SAKER: One thing I don’t understand is where exactly is the Ukraine army? I keep hearing they’re remaining neutral in all this – but how can this be and when do they choose to do something? I confess I don’t grasp the conventional military situation in the country.
From the US, which I think I do understand, I believe the level of aggression will not go beyond the Jackal stage. The US has said it won’t go to war, and Russia’s troops forestall that escalation.
In the hierarchy of “Economic Hit Man” John Perkins, first the US sends the people in suits to arrange the IMF loans and establish the protocols of securing the dictator in place. If this fails they send in the jackals for regime change and terror. Only if this fails do they send in the military, and Russia on the border prevents this. They are stuck at level 2.
Now Petri Krohn tells us the populace of eastern Ukraine is maneuvering according to a military pattern, on the verge perhaps of becoming its own military.
What an inspiration these people and their unfolding events are for all of us trapped in empire and pondering freedom.
@Anonymous 30 Apr, 2014 21:08
Stream of Unconsciousness. Using state of the art biometric analysis in real time we have determined what John
Kerry was thinking in a rare moment of clarity after he regurgitated in preparation for his speech:
global leadership at stake stand together if if if no prize at all if only whereis allies to lose everything if my strength from the past and future is at stake i’m not moses refuse complacency not in the present gaddamit why do i bother hah! some patriot then I am confident with death in my eyes that Mazarin was good bettor than me in NATO whereas balanced view had had advanced policy i think about the rhine where is my blue dress that one you know with the stains I couldn’t do it then if soon to join others i am serious sorry should i care about westphalia I heard about nasty peace i reveal germany stronger but the planet’s hopes foul beast which side am i on who never knew can reform what is at stake supranational civil war i am tired oh no i’m in the shower let it rampage I would sleep bit too many policies are unkind und wo ist civil society at the rule of love or right then i wish i had a period full stop oh no no telegraph message old school and even older oh no the prophet no more earnings for Kerry on the inside commitees I buy gold how many fishes and loaves have i am i trading while longtime been in love with easeful death beam me up I’m not young scottie next valley screw keats
The Creatures of the Mind have taken over (cf the salons that Proust and Swann attended and the partial collapse thence described of the social contract as to master and servant.)
Kerry is frightened and disoriented perhaps wondering if he is the ineffective poison. He’s learned that diplomacy is not always fun even for alleged hegemons. Perhaps history will discover for the first time that advances in communications in this tiny world can sideline the the war parties which rely on false flag ops, outrageous nonsense &c.
As if we are surprised – John ‘Skull & Bones’ Kerry is now attempting to shift the blame for the whole mess onto the EU.
Presuambly Skull & Bones has felt the need because Putin/Lavrov have called the US cabal of clowns out on instigating this current hegemonic fiasco.
See here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIvoq2oZZuU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
•US Secretary of State John Kerry: ” Today Russia seeks to change the security landscape of Eastern and Central Europe, we have to make it absolutely clear to the Kremlin that NATO territory is inviolable we will defend every single inch of it.”
Is Kerry paranoic or what? Especially with security landscape of Central Europe. Here is what NATO got to deter Russian aggressors:
http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/125/37125/Infographic_NATO_Russia_PDF.pdf
The USA is happy to have a little war in the Ukraine. This is not a miscalculation but an intention. What do they have to lose so long as it is regional? In fact Brezenski and his ilk have war gamed this many times and they make the bet that Russia will not escalate beyond the region–even if the NATO alliance escalates. There is a big chance of war triggered by the West and one must one wonder what weapons the West wishes to use that make them so confident? For instance, Will The Pentagon’s Secret Space Plane Ever Return to Earth?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/…/will-the-pentagon-s-secret-spa…‎
The Daily Beast
Apr 7, 2014 – The Air Force’s secret space plane has been up in orbit for nearly 500 days—a space endurance record. But nearly a year and a half into the …
Where-Wolf said on 01 May, 2014 04:26…
Everywhere I look I see signs of escalation and mobilization. Mohamad said he thought Obama and Putin were in cahoots. I agree with you that they are on opposite sides but it is possible that Obama himself does not know what side he is on. I believe he is completely out of the loop on decision making. At some point he may become more useful dead than alive.”
The Empire is bankrupt and in massive debts. The Dubya and Co, milked the Empire to the judgment day. Therefore, I believe that there is a group of people in USA who realize to reverse the course, or there will be a massive thud while descending downhill at extreme speed.
To counter that what Dubya and Co did takes time and they have to thread very carefully. And, for sure they are scared.
Kerry recent remarks, that USA will protect every inch of NATO makes people happy that USA will protect every inch of Ukraine, but alas Ukraine is NOT NATO. Words are chosen very carefully.
One has to look at Middle East at every country, and see the total reversal of the policies. Benghazi was an eye opener.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
The blatant support of US and EU for the coup d’etat was at first viewed as ‘whiskey tango foxtrot’ down here in Sevastopol and among our friends in the north. I then had to patiently explain to them that this was far from the first time that US, European countries or Russia has fomented a coup in their own interests. That being said, I firmly believe that all the current screaming and teeth gnashing is to a great extent the temper tantrum of a spoiled child who didn’t get his, or in the case of Muddi Merkel her, way. I think in the end business will outweigh the political as far as sanctions are concerned, and I’ll qualify that with as long as someone manages to stuff a sock in Swift Boat John’s mouth for once.
The continuing drumbeat of War from the West, read mainly USA, is patently foolish. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of armies knows that to attack in to Ukraine from EU or the south coast around Odessa would be tactical and strategic suicide. Russia as sitting at the base of her supply lines, US and EU would be a the perilous end of theirs. The old saying ‘amateurs talk tactics and strategy, professionals talk logistics’ is still true.
For those folk who may not fully appreciate the role of the diminishing US dollar in all this meddling and agitation around the world, there is a very good (and relatively brief) analysis with some excellent graphs here –
http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/the-dollar-under-siege
Obama is in cahoots with Putin, it is not that he loves Putin or Mother Russia. An Empire with less power is much better than no Empire at all.
USA needs an enemy to survive from the psychopaths in USA. Russia and Cold War 1 was an excellent enemy, even though USSR was corrupt and not up to the Empire.
After Cold War 1 the enemy was replaced as Muslims by Dubya and Co. However, Muslims being almost 1 Billion are everywhere even in USA, so the enemy was within USA too. They found out it cannot be contained, like USSR.
Now now we are back to Cold War 2.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Something to add to the general boiling cauldron is the fact that the armed forces of Russia have improved a bit in the last few years, add to that the fact that there is a rather large number of men throughout Russia and East Ukraine that have recent military experience and know that they will fight anyone invading from the west, you have an untenable position for any armies invading from the west.
To see just how good some of this young and not so young veterans are and to understand their bravery and dedication one has simply to watch the video of the takeover of the Krim Rada in Simferopol back in late February. Once the West got over the shock of such swift reaction against Kiev in Krim and Sevastopol they started to scream that it was Russian Army units who did all the barricades and the Krim Rada deal. Right. They knew better but for propaganda reasons that is what they had to yell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6oTOSTOq1E
Too many of the casual observers look but don’t see. Watch the vid twice. First time get an idea of what’s going on, the second time take full notice of the equipment the men carry besides the weapons, and pay particular attention to their feet. Enough said.
@Jonathan says …
Warren is likely cosmetic. We’ll have to see what happens. She may encourage a “draft” movement just to fence in the hardcore Democrats.. She’s raising money for the Dem Senate Campaign Committee, which is like contributing to those candidates. She might have been the “best of the worst” but then I just found this:
“Senator Warren also added she is very happy that Secretary Kerry is heading to Kiev, she believes we’ll get some more answers from his visit.”
April 14
Ukraine is a litmus test. The neocon scam is so painfully obvious and dangerous, anyone endorsing it or any of the players is automatically ruled out of serious politics and into the only party in the US, The Money Party.
As it turns out, one of Warren’s main fundraisers us a former key Hillary Clinton fundraiser. Oh well…
There is no left to speak of in the U.S.
Глава МВД Украины устроил пьяный дебош в аэропорту Франкфурта (Interior Minister made a drunken brawl at Frankfurt Airport)
http://lifenews.ru/news/132418
(Auto trans) “Appointed by the Verkhovna Rada Interior Minister Arsen Avakov not allowed on the plane, finding him drunk.
When Avakov appeared at the airport and tried to get on the plane, security airlines refused to pass it on landing. Airport staff explained their decision by saying that Interior Minister, appears on its face, is in a state of intoxication.
After this statement Avakov fuss and demanded to be missed because it is a very important person in another country. To place approached airport security. As a result of the conflict was settled without contributing information to police credentials.
Previously, Verkhovna Rada deputy from the Party of Regions (PR) Irina Gentle said that the Parliament registered a decree on the resignation of Arsen Avakov . According to her, the PR also demanded to dismiss the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs investigation into the assassination of the mayor of Kharkiv Gennady Kernes.
– Between Kernes and Avakov hostility exists and hope for an objective investigation into the Interior Ministry does not have – said Gentle.
With appropriate query MP appealed to the Prosecutor General of Ukraine “in order to investigate the assassination took place under the common control of the agency.”
A recent hack of Avakov’s email showed he was involved with setting up the killing that pravi sektor terrorist Muzychko. Is Avakov the local hit arranger for Israel-America in the Ukraine? It doesn’t sound like he has much time left, himself.
Anonymous said…01 May, 2014 06:11
I don’t know if you noticed, but in the initial footage, the outside view is of a different building than the inside view (I stopped watching once I noticed that).
Looks like BBC is again engaging in news fakery. Those sods need to be sacked and prosecuted. All of the BBC crew, there are no innocents working there any more.
This is a Russian television docu on Russian special forces training and tactics. it’s not live footage, but staged material using actors, it is interesting even though. It has English subtitles.
Introducing The Russian Ground Forces & Security Forces
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K6Rt3YpFC4
Dear Saker,
As you may have seen, Slavoj Žižek has a lengthy article on the Ukraine crisis up in the newest issue of the London Review of Books:
Barbarism with a Human Face
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n09/slavoj-zizek/barbarism-with-a-human-face
I’d be curious to hear your take on it.
Thanks again for this blog!
@Saker
I agree with everything you say.
It boggles my mind that the same people who have been dreaming of this for 200 years could be so close to doing it again.
By the time I get through reading most of the comments; I have little time to comment, and the comments are getting more numerous and better and some; rather exceptional.
China needs to man up already! I mean for a country that’s holding a big chunk of U.S. debt; its position is still pretty spineless and ambiguous considering all the U.S. bases and allies that surround it. I mean does China really want to see Nato expanding? How would China like it if Nato left its calling card at China’s doorstep? All China needs to think is: it’s going to happen to us…eventually. The BRICS should all be on the same page if there is any hope of loosening the Anglo/Zio Empire’s grip.
The people of Eastern Ukraine are giving everyone trapped under Anglo/Zio tyranny a lesson in civil disobedience and courage. Americans, take note!: This is how you handle a coup and/or threat against your democratic expression; how you handle oligarch tyranny, or if you wish, bankster tyranny and an attempt to usurp your rights! I just can’t stand it when the putschists refer to these brave people as terrorists. We all know who the real terrorists are.
As far as Putin’s political rivals are concerned: It’s Putin’s time; he’s the man for this job, so get out of the way. They’re either too weak, too blind or too in bed with the Anglo/Zio Empire to govern Russia in the best interests of the Russian people and for the ultimate benefit of the rest of the world suffering under Anglo/Zio subversion and decadence.
It’s anyone’s guess what the Anglo/Zio cabal is up to and how far it’ll go; but its insane ambition is now heading out of the stratosphere. Sometimes when it can’t install or support a puppet dictator as Mubarak in Egypt or the Shah in Iran in the past, and the puppet candidates are weak or unable to coalesce like they coalesced in Libya to topple the enemy regime, then the Empire downgrades its goal to merely creating endless chaos and misery as in Syria with no clear imminent aim except to weaken the ally of a foe, in Syria’s case, the foe being Iran, but also to weaken another foe’s, i.e. Russia’s, influence there.
Short of getting what it wants, Nato on Russia’s doorstep, and its sensational collapse; the Empire is dreaming of endless civil war to bring Russia down gradually. Considering the downgraded Syria objective, to endless killing and misery: woe is Ukraine. But the Empire may have to lower its over-ambitious expectations and settle for mere economic misery, because it appears that many towns in Eastern Ukraine are succeeding with few shots fired in asserting their will against a very weak and confused interim putschist government. So how will Obama get from here to tricking Putin into full-fledged war? – I’m not sure Obama even knows what he wants anymore. He should heed this: be careful what you wish for!
Oh and to expand on the Empire’s goals and achievements, sometimes the puppets turn on the Empire; like in Iraq and Afghanistan and sometimes the instigated Color Revolution starts viral in the Zio propaganda media and then disappoints and ends up fizzling out as the Green Revolution did in Iran.
This badly-contrived Orange Revolution was urged by the Empire to recklessly charge for the coup right over the cliff and maybe, like Crimea, straight into Putin’s arms.
But possibly, the Anglo/Zio cabal will try to pull some desperate, crazy scheme before it leaves those who bought into the Empire illusion to their misery and wasteland.
@Petri Krohn
Your comment has really got my mind churning. There’s some genius in this anaysis too. Between your references to Sloveinia and Saker’s description of a worst case scenario I have a much better understanding of the dispositions and objectives of both sides.
Usually I side with traditional religious tendencies against modern puritanical ones, even in relation to religions I don’t belong to. So I am not a fan of evangelicals. But there are some evangelicals out there whose criticism of some other evangelical churches is as scathing as can be.
Here is some such guy:
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000433.htm
“The bizarre entanglement of not only the church in Ukraine, but also the American church with anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi forces that are inimical to the cause of Christ provides an unique and damning picture of the REAL nature of these faux (fake) churches — churches tied to secular forces that think nothing of imposing their will on people through the use of a gun and mass murder; and all this despite the plain teaching of Jesus that . . .”
As the rest of his article makes clear: When he writes “the church in Ukraine” he means Ukrainian evangelical or pentecostal churches as described here:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/januaryweb-only/105-22.0.html
“Since the early 1990s, Ukraine has become not just the “Bible Belt” of the region, but a hub of evangelical church life (such as Sunday Adelaja’s Pentecostal megachurch), education, and missions”.
Or here:
“The Protestant Festival of Hope, with the participation of evangelist Franklin Graham, was held on July 6–8, 2007, and gathered more than 40,000 Ukrainians at the Olympic National Stadium in Kiev. Guests of the festival were able to hear testimonies of faith by well-known athletes, evangelical activists, and civil leaders. There were musical groups of various genres from Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Moldova, and the United States.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Ukraine
Does anybody know more about this evangelical business and their political involvement in Ukraine?
Mohamed said…
I believe that there is a group of people in USA who realize to reverse the course, or there will be a massive thud while descending downhill at extreme speed.
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…they have to thread very carefully.
I agree I agree.
But they are opposed by another faction (hard neocons) who have everything to lose and would rather keep pushing forward.
My idea is that Obama is playing good cop to the necon bad cop. I do not believe the Obama faction is as resilient or united as the necons. This makes him an unreliable partner for Putin.
Obama is the cheese in the neocon mousetrap, even if his objectives are closer to Putin.
Dear The Saker,
In addition to my post yesterday about the Russian Naval Attache being expelled, I also noted the following on RT:
12:20 GMT:
“The General Prosecutor’s Office of Ukraine has launched an investigation against the commanders of the Alpha special force after its troops disobeyed the government orders and refused to fire at protesters in the south-east of the country.
“The prosecutors have opened three cases against unit commanders, who under battle order refused to obey orders. All leadership of the Alpha special force is dismissed for failure to comply with the battle order,” Sergey Pashinsky, chief of staff of Ukraine’s coup-appointed president is cited by ITAR-TASS.”
If they’ve now dismissed the Alpha force too – doesn’t that mean they have no real militry/defence power/expertise except for far right thugs and mercenaries?
Rgds,
Veritas
@Angelika, the Umland article is still there, http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2014-04/ukraine-wahlen-parlamentarisches-system
by the way it is “translated from English” and clearly written in line of the Nato propaganda.
The only good point of the article is that it proposes Nato-arguments why the elections as planned are nonsense. And some interesting info that Parubij has been able build up a strong power base at his national security position.
Angelika said…
Only DIE ZEIT had an interesting article by Dr. Andreas Umland (1997-99 NATO Fellow at the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, Palo Alto, California. He lives in Kyiv, while teaching at the National University of “Kyiv-Mohyla Academy”
„Die Ukraine sollte die Wahl absagen“. It boils down to: “That implies that the forthcoming presidential election should be canceled and the Ukraine should became a parliamentary republic. This can happen through a consensus constitutional reform by a vote of 300 Members of Parliament. Second, this approach includes that the new occupants of the highest positions of government should reflect the regional, cultural and demographic composition of the Ukrainian population. Third, political polarization and amateurishness should be avoided by proper use of respected experts.” He is obviously afraid that: “In a possible runoff [Petro Poroshenko and Yulia Tymoshenko] a contest between the two would be meaningless, because their main political goals – a rapid Europeanization of Ukraine , followed by EU accession and simultaneous Atlantic integration – are the same . Many in the east and south of Ukraine would not vote at all in such a runoff election because they do not see their interests represented in either candidate.” The article disappeared after three hours.
The article has not “disappeared”. It is here:
http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2014-04/ukraine-wahlen-parlamentarisches-system
@Anonymous said… 01 May, 2014 11:00
“Ιts not the 1% but the 20%-30% that benefits from globalization”
To a lesser degree that may be correct, but it is the 1% who derive the greatest benefit, which is at the expense of the remainder on a sliding scale in a zero-sum game.
The dumbed down masses have been fooled into believing the globalisation hyperbole.
The wealthy have become wealthier (countries and individuals) and the poorpoorer as a direct result of so-called globalisation.
See for example some current and very relevant interview commentary on the wealth gap issue by Michael Hudson commenting on Thomas Piketty’s just published book, ‘Capital in the 21st Century’.
Transcript of the interview here – http://michael-hudson.com/2014/04/pikettys-wealth-gap-wake-up/
Whilst there are undoubtedly some benefits from globalisation, the true economic and societal costs are immeasurable at this time.
US Payments to Ukrainian Thugs Higher Than Previously Reported.
See PCR here –
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/01/us-payments-ukrainian-thugs-higher-previously-reported/
I don’t think I have witnessed or read a discussion of anything, anywhere, as excellent in every way as the contents of this thread since last I was here. Not sure I can add much, or even at the same level, but let me try:
Michael Collins
Yes re: Warren and The Money Party but what we’ve really got is a structural problem bc unless a candidate is willing to use his or her own money to vastly outspend The Money Party in every single election (IF the media will even accept his or her ads), they’ll never even make it into office the first time. Meaning we’d need 537 plutocrats, plus God knows how many in each state — and of course they’d have to not be tied into the existing plutocracy. (Yeah, right.) So yes, our system is a sham but it’s a pretty impregnable sham.
And as for the left, it pretty much collapsed when Civil Rights for the South veered North into Open Housing, handing the Northern ethnics and southern damned-near-everyone right over to the Republicans. I lived through it, in both the North and the South, and thought I saw it all pretty clearly. Then I read Nixonland by Rick Perlstein and couldn’t believe how much I’d missed. If you really want to understand how this all happened, read it. But you’ll need a very strong stomach.
Old auntie,
There has been a long and very lucrative connection between Zionist money and far-right Protestant church movements. Christian Zionism enriches and empowers its pastors while all the hoodwinked followers literally (!) parade around Jerusalem once a year hoping this time they can get all the Jews there so they can bring about the Apocalypse. I’m probably a bit out of date but just Google John Hagee for starters.
@ Saker – Well, I don’t think that Russia has any desire or need to do anything the Baltic states even if their regimes are basically racist. Over time, Russia will simply aquire the Baltics by economic means. As for the stupid Balts, let them see where having neo-Nazis in power lead the Ukraine.
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As a man living in Riga, married to a Latvian and with children born and raised in Latvia, I cannot but wholeheartedly agree about their stupidity when confronted with anything Russian. Not all of them though, maybe not even the majority.
In most cases, it’s a sort of conditioned reflex, originating from the invasion, repression and occupation they did suffer by Russians (rectius: Soviets).
It’s understandable, after all, also because now, fed as they are by bread and bullshits from media whores (the total occupation of media by chosen people looks like almost completed even here), they are not able to differentiate between Soviet Union and Russia today.
It’s less understandable the specular stupidity and racist attitude in the local Russians population. Not all of them, of course, but maybe the majority, also unable to recognize and disavow the damned Soviet legacy (this is a problem also in Russia proper).
I would also differentiate between Baltic States. If Lithuania is by then indistinguishable from Poland and almost fully Empirized (no more mamma and papa there, but parent 1 and 2), already Estonia seems more sober after her foreign minister’s full immersion in the reality in Kiev. Latvia even more so, apart from lip service to the official line.
The President Berzins attended Sochi inauguration, dismissing the homo-gang diktats with a few words: “I don’t see any civil rights problem in Russia!”.
The Premier did fire a minister in March for attending the commemoration of the Latvian SS Legion (and yet they were certainly no Banderites).
Furthermore, no comparison is ever possible between Ukraine and Baltic States.
http://houseofmaedhros.wordpress.com/2014/03/21/russian-idiots-in-riga/
In short, while I’d have welcomed Russian tanks in Kiev after the American coup there, I would not hesitate to beat the shit out of every Russian willing to create unrest here. FOR THEIR OWN SAKE!
If you want the long version, please go here:
http://houseofmaedhros.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/caro-amico-ti-scrivo/
I’m sorry I cannot provide you with an English version, but you said that you can read Italian.
(jump to IV chapter)
First of all, I must say that I really appreciate the work you are doing. It’s excellent and I know nothing of the kind.
That said, I really, really wish you could avoid saying things like “their regimes are basically racist”, “Russia will simply aquire the Baltics…”, “As for the stupid Balts…”.
These nations and states are too small to hurt anyone but themselves. It’s impossible to deny that Soviet Union had some bad karma related to them.
The speech Colin Powell gave to UN was all too familiar for folks in the former USSR. And it’s precisely this that’s making me so desperate. The whole world is bent to turn into some giant USSR.
Please, don’t hurt the weak while fighting the bigger evil. It is important.
Dear The Saker,
Just seen this on Itarr-tass:
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/730171
Donetsk region to hold referendum on joining Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. A similar plebiscite will take place in Luhansk region.
Thought this might interest you in regard to your comments in regard to the regions who would join up.
Rgds,
Veritas
@Maedhros: It’s less understandable the specular stupidity and racist attitude in the local Russians population. Not all of them, of course, but maybe the majority, also unable to recognize and disavow the damned Soviet legacy (this is a problem also in Russia proper)
Well, considering the role of Latvians in the Revolution, then the way they treated Russians between 1917 and 1940, then how as soon as they got their independence back in 1991 they returned to slogans like “Riga must be clean and Latvian” (an oh so subtle hint at “not Russian”), how they created a status of non-citizen for about 40% of the population and are total NATO puppets I don’t see why Russians should have anything but disgust for these nationalists. I *DO* however agree that the endorsement by many Russians of the Soviet period is both morally wrong, historically misguided and politically self-defeating. Here you got my full agreement.
In your article you write:Ukraine as we know it today is only the outcome of the Soviet mess. It has never existed before as a State and was created only as a Soviet republic.
What about Latvia? When did it ever exist before as a State?
Maybe this is why Latvia is first and foremost a bad joke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OnJxEDXGNc
I have far more respect for the Chechens than for the Balts who inspire me nothing but a sense of disgust. And that has nothing to do with any racism, but a history of petty, nasty and outright russophobic policies.
But again, Russia will not invade the Baltics. It will purchase them.
Cheers,
The Saker
Saker, anonymous 07:46 really wanted your take on the slavoj zizek article in LRB. Me, too. I (think I) know enough to discount it as propaganda, but I’m really not comfortable reciting the facts, especially as regards Lenin, Ukraine and the Whites.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n09/slavoj-zizek/barbarism-with-a-human-face
@Anonymous:That said, I really, really wish you could avoid saying things like “their regimes are basically racist”, “Russia will simply aquire the Baltics…”, “As for the stupid Balts…”. These nations and states are too small to hurt anyone but themselves. It’s impossible to deny that Soviet Union had some bad karma related to them.(…) Please, don’t hurt the weak while fighting the bigger evil. It is important.
Ok, this is an argument I am VERY sensitive to. Here is why – I do not favor the big and powerful, I almost instinctively prefer the underdog. But my beef with the Balts is not that they are small, but that they are ugly. The fact is that the local Russian population supported the independence of the Baltic states, lured as they were by promises of democracy, fraternity and human rights. We, the Russians refugees in the West, knew better of course (my great-grandfather was governor of Courland and my wife’s family is from Riga) and we remembered how the newly freed Latvians immediately turned in the Russians inside Latvia (made them non-citizens, passed Ukie-like language laws, etc.) and outside Latvia (joining NATO). We also remembered the crucial key role of the Latvians in the revolution, in protecting Lenin and his terrorist ChK. Next to Jews, the Latvians were the most crucial folks in the early Bolshevik regime. So let me ask you this: in those moments in history when Russians were on the *weak* side, how did the Latvians treat them? How did they even treat their own fellow Latvians how did not share in their russophobic ideology?
I remember having lunch with Viktor Alksnis in Moscow in 1991 and while I disagreed with a lot of his political views, I have to admit that he very accurately predicted what kind of regime the newly independent Latvian state would turn into.
Please understand – I am not in any way anti-Balt, I wish these people all the best, I am sorry that the Western “experts” (IMF, EU & Co.) pillaged these countries and have basically ruined them and I do not wish any form of tensions, nevermind hostility, between Russia and the Baltic states. But for that there is a basic prerequisite: the Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians need to a) accept that Russia is their neighbor b) stop playing eternal victim and take petty revenge on the local Russian population and c) make at least some kind of effort to try to have a friendly relationship with Russia.
Instead, we all known that the Maidanites were trained in Latvia (and Poland), that NATO has its intelligence stations in Latvia, the truth about the 1991 shooting has never been researched, the Russians are still non-citizens, the Latvian regime is rabidly russophobic and pro-NATO, etc. etc. etc.
Well, if that is how they want it – fine. But I know the outcome. Russia will simply purchase these republics. And when that happens, I won’t shed a single tear over it because they had this coming.
I hope that you can understand this point of view.
Kind regards,
The Saker
Michael said…
Slightly off topic, but I wonder did our Serbian poster know that Serbs from the Krajina were invited to settle in the southern and central areas of what we now call Ukraine in the 17th century. Their lands were called New Serbia and they were the first Cossacks. The name Ukraine looks to me like “u Krajina” Lugansk was a Serbian settlement.
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Yes, I know Michael! Slavyansk is also a Serbian settlement.
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Where-Wolf said…
Anonymous said…
The statements made by the President of Republika Srpska — in Newsweek demonstrate that he is acting under the direction of NATO.
Don’t get fooled again my friends.
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No, he is not acting under the direction of NATO! He explicitly said in that interview that Bosnian Serbs DO NOT have support from Western powers to secede from Bosnia. The only support so far is coming from Russia.
We are not “fooled”. The West has taken Kosovo from us, so we have all the rights to demand our half of Bosnia to join with Serbia.
And, btw, there is a progress on Montenegro issue. Russia is now putting a lot of pressure on Montenegro president and government because of their anti-Russia stance. That will have consequence in Montenegro, because more then 70% of public in Montenegro is AGAINST membership in NATO. Montenegro has been historically even more pro-Russian then Serbia, and still today most of Montenegrins are pro-Russian.
Russia should push hard on this issue, they can get a regime change in Montenegro if they try hard.
Dear Saker,
What can you tell me about this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf1dAQq-2qQ#t=35
Accoording to what I understand does the EU owe Ukraine 160 bil. USD due to an agreement of 1994.
Well, if that is how they want it – fine. But I know the outcome. Russia will simply purchase these republics. And when that happens, I won’t shed a single tear over it because they had this coming.
I hope that you can understand this point of view.
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I understand very well
Saker you have explained it very well.
Cheers from South Africa
13:30 GMT “The Ukrainian border patrol say they have detained a 22-year-old Russian citizen in Lugansk, who they believe was going to take part in events aimed at destabilizing the situation in the region. He was allegedly in possession of anti-Ukrainian leaflets. The young man is member of the neo-Nazi “Slavyane” movement. He will now be denied entry to Ukraine for three years.”
Wait, what? A neo-Nazi Russian sounds like a very confused young man, a useful dupe and/or a poor slob caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. But to whom is this announcement aimed?
Greenpeace once again show they have become another political propaganda tool of Israeli-American fascism, rather than a proponent of ecological defense.
Dutch police arrest Greenpeace activists for trying to block Russian tanker
http://rt.com/news/156152-greenpeace-russia-oil-protest/
“Greenpeace has been campaigning against the dangers of drilling for oil in the Arctic, with the organization’s executive director, Kumi Naidoo, saying, “Arctic oil represents a dangerous new form of dependence on Russia’s state-owned energy giants at the very moment when we should be breaking free of their influence.”
A reply to the person who posted this:
Barbarism with a Human Face
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n09/slavoj-zizek/barbarism-with-a-human-face
Sometimes Zizek misses the forest for the trees. He isn’t much of a geopolitician, instead he is primarily a psychoanalyst and philosopher, that’s the lens through which he sees everything – and of course if geopolitics is the primary factor in a crisis then he can’t help but hopelessly misinterpret it. Zizek imagines that the Maidan protestors had some kind of special wisdom that dragged them to the square, while the reality of the movement was embarassingly trivial if not vulgar.
Zizek is fully invested against Putin. Recall the embarrasing PR stunt with the letter exchange with Tolokonnikova when she was in prison. Zizek still thinks that Obama is a good guy who can’t get anything done because of the dark forces prevent him. He is essentially pro EU, of course he is a communist, and he is dreaming of transforming the EU into some sort of communist union.
Zizek claims that Ukrainians are aware of the reality of EU, I very much doubt this. The EU-Ukr talk was only about an unfair association agreement that was against Ukraine’s economic interests, the joining of Ukraine into the EU was even at the best stage of the talks a very far away future possibility, so that’s why the entire EU-Ukr connection in his text is misplaced. Zizek also completely ignores the US role in the Ukraine crisis.
Don’t get me wrong, Zizek is a great and entertaining philosopher and I often listen to his talks in the background when I do my work, I also fundamentally agree with his project of building a contemporary kind of communism, but when it gets into the nitty gritty of geopolitics and economics he seems lost a lot of the time.
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Man, this thread is gettin’ long! Oh, well. I thought I’d inject this concept into the comment fire we’re all sitting around, some smoking cigs and others throwing a few cool ones back and tossing a log or two on, because it looks like it’s going to be an all-nighter.
This is a “what if” scenario. For years, I’ve batted around the idea that the U.S. finally goes one step beyond its reach and is totally defeated militarily–checkmate. Now most Americans will never be able to get their head around that for all the obvious, and decades long, brainwashing messages from every corner. No need to mention more on that.
So let’s say, for argument’s sake, that the worst case scenario happens–a nuke is detonated a couple of hundred miles above the middle of the U.S., causing a massive EMP wave to wipe out all things electrical. Instant return to the 19th century. But wait! What if this hasn’t happened to Russia and China? What if they are now poised to invade and occupy the totally vulnerable U.S.? Is this an impossibility? Well, Sci Fi writer Phillip K. Dick, author of such blockbuster movies as “Minority Report” did conceive such an outcome, post WWII. His book is titled: “The Man in the High Castle.” (I’ve read it.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle
Looking at the original book cover shown here, if you replace the Japanese flag with a Chinese one, and the Nazi flag with a Russian one, this begins to get interesting. Suddenly the impossible gets a crack it its foundation.
Anthony Peake has written a book on P.K. Dick titled: A Life of Phillip K. Dick:The Man Who Remembered the Future. What Peake means is that the evidence shows through examining Dick’s futuristic writing, that he has predicted very accurately our future, decades in advance. You can hear for free one hour of a two hour interview with Peake on Red Ice Radio here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/12/RIR-131218.php
When Genghis Khan and his army rode up to the Great Wall of China, the citizens of Beijing falsely thought they were impervious to these barbarians, just like Americans think they are. China had their wall, and the U.S. has its ocean walls. Magical thinking knows no borders or ages. Well, the Great Khan simply rode north until he found the end of the wall, went around it, and sacked Beijing-killing every living creature, animals included.
As the latest Crosstalk interview mentions, Americans have this well-known attitude of exceptionalism. This kind of magical thinking totally ignores basic history. This is like thinking that only the other guy is going to get hit with the arrow, not me.
Anyhow, just thinkin’ here. Just thinkin’.
Kiev forces plan to storm federalist buildings in Southeastern Ukraine on May 2
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_01/Kiev-forces-plan-to-storm-federalist-buildings-in-Southeastern-Ukraine-on-May-2-7982/
“The special operation in the region, formerly led by acting Interior Minister Arseny Avakov, will be now headed by acting Security Service chief Valentin Nalivaychenko, the source said.
“The [acting] interior minister has been suspended from controlling the operation by a decision of [interim president Alexander] Turchynov,” the source told RIA Novosti, adding that the decision has been made amid the failure of the first stage of the operation.
The source said Nalivaychenko has organized the training of Right Sector special battalions by the security service instructors after talks with the leader of the far-right group, Dmitro Yarosh, who is charged in Russia with inciting terrorism.
The storming will take place particularly in the eastern Ukraine’s Lugansk region, the source said adding that the security chief has been tasked with regaining control of the region by May 3 at any cost.
“For this aim, the SBU chief has now received all the necessary powers,” the source said, adding that Turchynov is discussing the possibility of the military operation with Yarosh.”
Looks like Avakov has been forced out by the pravi sektor bum bandits and they are making no secret that the attacker are a pravi sektor force.
The German press is losing it. I’ve been living in Germany for more than 20 years and I’ve never seen this kind of insanity.
Here’s an article which accuses Putin of being a fascist, and of course by way of implication also his voters. This is from Germany’s biggest internet news magazine. And the author says this not in passing, not as a slip of tongue, it’s an entire article that in all seriousness calls Putin fascist.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/putins-russland-ideologie-vom-ueberlegenen-volk-von-jan-fleischhauer-a-967115.html
Here is another bit of insanity. There is a soviet tank near the Brandenburg Gate to remind of Germany’s liberation from Hitler. And now there is a petition to remove this tank.
http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/petitionen/weg-mit-den-russen-panzern-35578436.bild.html
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Vladimir Sedow has written an excellent piece with lots of details placing the Ukrainian putsch well within the context of Germany’s aspirations and efforts to chart her own, not-necessarily-Atlanticist course. Was Yanukovich set up? People have certainly hypothesized it before and the timing of Maidan, both the peaceful part and the putsch, certainly is suspect when you consider this:
“Let us recall that in October 2013 Germany’s Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik and the German Marshall Fund of the United States presented a joint report titled «New Power, New Responsibility: Elements of a German Foreign and Security Policy for a Changing World».
In January 2014 German President Joachim Gauck elaborated on the main points of this document in a speech at the Munich Security Conference. “
The details are fascinating. (How dare any of our dependencies think, much less act, for themselves!) So, of course, NATO v.2.0, keeping Russia out, the US in and Germany down — except, to mix and muddle hackneyed phrases a bit, this time it’s both a tragedy and a farce.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/05/01/on-contradictions-between-washington-and-berlin-ukraine.html
Saker, I’d be honored, re:
Schadenfreude and seasons. Inspired by the lovely weather here in the Pacific Northwest the last few days, after the always-dreadful winters here (for me anyways, a sun-loving former (and future) resident of Kauai and coastal southern California, where I grew up.
Aloha nui loa
Almost forgot- excellent pocast, James Corbett with David L. Smith, of The Geneva Insider, finally (its been months since they’ve talked), a very balanced, economic-based discussion on Ukraine, the EU, and of course the absolute insanity that is the economic state of affairs as presented to the public in general. 30-odd minutes.
http://www.corbettreport.com/fk-the-eu-the-eu-is-fked-the-geneva-business-insider/
You’ll like this, if you haven’t seen it, although you probably have. Things get notified repeatedly on here and on Moon of Alabama, because people don’t realise they’ve already been notified, sometimes on another thread.
Interview with GRU officer and People’s Militia Commander Igor Strelkov
Komsomolskaya Pravda, Apr 26 2014 (Russian)
Storify, Apr 26 2014 (English)
This is a same-day translation. It’s so excellent to find these carefully translated briefings from inside the anti-nazi movement in Ukraine. Russian speakers are taking great trouble to bring them to us.
@ Saker
Well, in the long version you can find a much more detailed list of Latvians’ wrongdoings and the idiocy of embracing the occupation by atheist consumerism to escape that of atheist communism.
But as I am not Latvian nor Russian, I’m able to detect also specular idiocy or idiocy in response, so that I have now the privilege to be disliked by both here (the few who have read it), Latvians and Russians finally united.
Just a few points:
1) I guess Russians were treated better by Latvians in 1917-1940 period than by Russians.
2) Apart from a totally different historical path until the end of XVIII century, in respect to Russia, Latvia was an independent State in 1940 with international recognized borders.
3) I live here today and I think I know a little better than the offspring of the former Courland governor.
Citizenship is not so hard to get here, provided that you want it. You need just to speak a little Latvian and know a few historical bullshits.
Also the newborn can get it if both parents ask for that. Now they are going to give it also if just one parent asks for it. Evidently a lot of parents did not want it for their sons.
In fact, non-citizens are now less than 10% of population and remain in that state of their own will. Probably also because the only minus is that you can’t vote and most people don’t give a damn about that anyway. For the rest, there is no difference whatsoever (it’s my personal status, so I speak what I know).
In fact, the russophile party is the first party by votes here and Riga has a Russian as Mayor (the best Riga ever had, in my decennial experience).
4) Maidanites trained in Latvia has to be the best kept secret here, because it’s the first time I hear of this. Maybe you are confusing with Lithuania.
5) I’ll try to make me feel disgust for Russian as a whole every time Zhirinovsky and other gentlemen of the same kind will open their mouth (even Dugin has said similar things in the past, just in a more refined way), but don’t hold your breath: I’ll not succeed!
6) Some Latvians could say you that Russia will not invade Latvia because Latvia is in Nato and be glad for that. Frankly, I could not blame them for thinking so, after the tone of your remarks.
7) You can purchase regime, not people. And if you think that people can be purchased, well, tell me the difference between the Empires because it’s fading away to my understanding.
8) “Russia without the Faith, without the truth in Christ, is copulation and cruelty.”
Russians should never forget the last point!
To: National Media
Subject: Russian-speaking Ukrainians: Federalists rather than “separatists” or “terrorists”.
“We are looking to neutrally observe what we see; to characterize the situation on the ground as honestly as we can.” the words of Lt. Col. Gary Hardwick, Canadian Leader of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s observer mission to the Ukraine. Words demanding recognition of the reality in the Ukraine.
The provinces (oblasts) the mission will visit because local populations have taken over the reins of government are overwhelmingly populated by Russian speaking Ukrainians. Only in 10 August 2012 were cities and regions of Ukraine able to declare Russian as a regional language in their jurisdictions. After the current Ukrainian Government came to power on February 22nd this year, “On 23 February 2014, a bill repealing the law was approved by 232 deputies out of 450.[25] but not signed into law by acting-president Aleksandr Turchinov.[26] ”
Ukrainian is at present the only national language. Federalism, as practiced in Canada, is the aspiration of the Ukraine’s Russian-speaking citizens
rather than the current Unitary state. For this, however, they are being termed “pro-Russian”, “separatists and “terrorists”.
Ukraine’s acting president admitted his country’s security forces were “helpless” to stop the gunmen.. This is so because very often when”Pro-federalization activists take over govt buildings across Eastern Ukraine”, “Berkut forces side with protesters as pro-federalization activists take over govt buildings across Eastern Ukraine”.
The response? “Ukraine’s Interim Leader Orders Creation of Regional Defense Battalions” – battalions including “Right Sector radicals (who) are suppressing pro-federalization protesters in eastern Ukrainian regions.”
It is to be hoped Lt. Col. Gary Hardwick has been apprised that those they will be observing seek the governance of Ukraine to be that which we have in Canada, and approach them as the Federalists they are, rather than as what others would portray them as being.
Unfortunately as they are being portrayed by the Harper Government/
Joe Hueglin
Tel 905-356-3901
Its all going to end in tears you know.I think Russia will move in pretty soon.
to Nora: A lot has appeared on this site since I last scanned it! In any case,Nora, I’ve noticed what a nice person you are and apologize for the delay in responding to you.
Ambrose Bierce (The Devil’s Dictionary), the first and best of a genre of post civil war satirists, said that “War is God’s way of teaching Americans geography.” We’ve had a lot of lessons, haven’t we, since Bierce, old and tubercular,disappeared covering the Mexican civil war.
In my case, though training as a geographer has given me something of a head start, I realize, pouring over remote sensing images with each new conflict, how very much I didn’t (and never will) know. As for on the ground observation: while I spent over a decade(till 2010) supervising a project in Poland (and to a lesser extent Romania) against the invasion of foreign agribusiness, my only on the ground look at the Ukraine was of the western areas Pilsudski wrested from the Bolsheviks and the Carpathian region bordering Romania.Never the East.
That said, though, as a boy I was overwhelmed by Russian literature, most particularly “And Quiet Flows the Don” and “The Don Flows Home to the Sea”. As a young soldier I read and re-read Hienz Guderian’s memoirs and whatever else was available on Stalingrad and the terrible battles preceding and following it, including the so called ‘Miracle of The Donetsz’.
As for today: My sense was, and is, that the Russians had an opportunity–now gone– to detach the eastern oblasts with minimal bloodshed, with cell phone conversation between unit commanders largely replacing violence. Something like “Georgi? Andre here. Yes, thank you, I’m well. But you must listen to me. We’re here! Invasion? No Georgi. Please don’t say that.That’s not what it is. We’re in this together. You don’t want your boys hurt, I don’t want mine hurt. Here’s what we must do! Yes Georgi, I have the authority. Now listen please.”
Maybe the notion of largely bloodless transfer of power to local garrisons, with local activists acting as connective tissues, is fanciful. But one thing is certain. If there is to be a war, it is far, far better it be a brief one.What the people in the East, who have, whatever their woes, been free of structured authoritarianism,are in for–poor Odessa–is the kind of ‘democracy’ that follows American interference: death squads, night raids, disappearances, kangaroo courts.And never believe that the vectors of such tactics are not, day by day, seeping in.
I had more to say, but the weather’s cleared and must go to the mountains. But on a cheerful note: even in war (and real war has yet to arrive out there)amusing things happen, like the time mice defeated a German armored division. The division’s tanks had been hidden in haystacks during the winter. Ordered to the front, it sputtered to a halt. Hoards of mice, living in the hay, had chewed the insulation off the all the wires! Hurray for mice.
Tom